@allsaintsmonastery The Falsafah (Scholastic) movement in Islam was a discovery of translation of Hellenic and Hellenistic writing, coupled with the mathmatics of India, Egypt and Greece. The medical corpus was, as I mentioned in my book, a Nestorian/Byzantine school and Judishapur.
@ComradeAgopian We realise that some hysterical Fundamentalists will attack the broadcast, and they may even insist that, since Scripture teaches that the earth is stationery, and the sun revolves around the earth. Yes, Scripture teaches that, but if God created the universe, then he would not have inspired the Scripture writers to make such a huge error.
I can not be more disagree more whit the theory that "Muslims have brought back the ancient culture back to Europ"
40-50 years before the Spanish translations, at the monastery from Saint Maichel in France translations,transcripts and comments were made on the Aristotle's work. Work brought from Byzantium by James of Venice.
See for this:
GOUGUENHEIM, SYLVAIN Aristote au Mont-Saint-Michel
@VyckRo You can disagree, however, the Islamic academies in Andalus feuled the sciences and education in Western Europe at the end of the dark ages. Byzantine influence became the strongest after the fall of Constantinople and the movment of Byzantine refugees into Europe. Scholasticism itself was an Islamic movement to begin with.
@VyckRo We know that the "dark ages" were not so dark. The main feature of them was the invasions of barbarians and several plagues. However, it remains that many notable European scholars flocked to Andalus to translate the works of science and philosophy of the islamic schools. The scholastic movement began in Islam in the 800s and was prminent in Andalus.
1) accuracy - we talk about philosophical texts, which were originally written in Greek then translated into Syriac and from Syriac in to Arabic, and from Arabic in Latin on the other side in the Byzantine E. ConstantineVII Porphyrogennetos began an action to save ancient literature and transcribed classical Greek works in Modern Greek, therefore, which manuscripts were more accurate Byzantine or Arab-Latin?
2)Arab or Islamic - in the reference year (the reconquest of Spain) about half of the Arab population was either Christian either recently Islamized either belonging to the Christian culture of the orient ( Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem)
- Bakhtishu` family - were Persian Nestorian Christian physicians from the 7th, 8th, and 9th centuries, it is consider that they have important role in the function of the first hospital in Baghdad. (several family members Jabril ibn Bukhtishu, Yuhanna ibn Bukhtishu, Ja'far ibn Yahya
All the above are Christians: Orthodox, Neo-Chalcedonian, Nestorian.and many others may be listed
The importance of "Islam" falls, once we study the original sources
Thank you Vladyka for the video. A good discussion about Holy Tradition and History.
february17able 1 month ago
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VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo I don't dispute the facts that you sent, but I don't downgrade the impact of Arab scholasticism in the West.
allsaintsmonastery 1 month ago
@allsaintsmonastery The Falsafah (Scholastic) movement in Islam was a discovery of translation of Hellenic and Hellenistic writing, coupled with the mathmatics of India, Egypt and Greece. The medical corpus was, as I mentioned in my book, a Nestorian/Byzantine school and Judishapur.
allsaintsmonastery 1 month ago
Very interesting discussion Vladika .
ComradeAgopian 1 month ago
@ComradeAgopian We realise that some hysterical Fundamentalists will attack the broadcast, and they may even insist that, since Scripture teaches that the earth is stationery, and the sun revolves around the earth. Yes, Scripture teaches that, but if God created the universe, then he would not have inspired the Scripture writers to make such a huge error.
allsaintsmonastery 1 month ago
Thank you for posting. I almost forgot about him in this part of church history.
davidperi 1 month ago
I can not be more disagree more whit the theory that "Muslims have brought back the ancient culture back to Europ"
40-50 years before the Spanish translations, at the monastery from Saint Maichel in France translations,transcripts and comments were made on the Aristotle's work. Work brought from Byzantium by James of Venice.
See for this:
GOUGUENHEIM, SYLVAIN Aristote au Mont-Saint-Michel
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo You can disagree, however, the Islamic academies in Andalus feuled the sciences and education in Western Europe at the end of the dark ages. Byzantine influence became the strongest after the fall of Constantinople and the movment of Byzantine refugees into Europe. Scholasticism itself was an Islamic movement to begin with.
allsaintsmonastery 1 month ago
@allsaintsmonastery
again I must disagree again!
first there has been no a dark ages.
see for this:
Jean Gimpel "La revolution industrialle du Moyen Age" and "Les bâtisseurs de cathédrales"
The Byzantine influence, existed in several stages:
1) iconoclasm - When many scholars were expelled from Constantinople
2) Arab conquests - in the VIIcentury many Syrians and Greeks, were forced to leave Alexandria
continuation ...
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo
2) continuation...was the period, of "Greek Popes"
3) looting of Constantinople - many important works reach the West
4) Arabs have influenced Western Europe but who has influenced them?
of about 55,000 works of Greek culture, 40,000 came to us through the Byzantine Empire
see for this
Lars Brownworth by Lost to the West: The Forgotten Byzantine Empire That Rescued Western Civilization
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo We know that the "dark ages" were not so dark. The main feature of them was the invasions of barbarians and several plagues. However, it remains that many notable European scholars flocked to Andalus to translate the works of science and philosophy of the islamic schools. The scholastic movement began in Islam in the 800s and was prminent in Andalus.
allsaintsmonastery 1 month ago
@allsaintsmonastery
Arabic translations
we have several problems:
1) accuracy - we talk about philosophical texts, which were originally written in Greek then translated into Syriac and from Syriac in to Arabic, and from Arabic in Latin on the other side in the Byzantine E. ConstantineVII Porphyrogennetos began an action to save ancient literature and transcribed classical Greek works in Modern Greek, therefore, which manuscripts were more accurate Byzantine or Arab-Latin?
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo
2)Arab or Islamic - in the reference year (the reconquest of Spain) about half of the Arab population was either Christian either recently Islamized either belonging to the Christian culture of the orient ( Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem)
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo
Where did Islam inherited "Greek culture"?
- Hunayn ibn Ishaq (809–873) known among the Arabs as the "Sheikh of the translators"
- Ishaq ibn Hunayn -( 830– 911) the son of Hunayn Ibn Ishaq.,an influential physician and translator in the Arab world
- Qusta ibn Luqa ((820–912) a Melkite Greek Christian, translator, of Byzantine Greek
- Theophilus of Edessa (695–785 CE), a Greek medieval scholar, that become an important astrologer and translator,
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo
- Bakhtishu` family - were Persian Nestorian Christian physicians from the 7th, 8th, and 9th centuries, it is consider that they have important role in the function of the first hospital in Baghdad. (several family members Jabril ibn Bukhtishu, Yuhanna ibn Bukhtishu, Ja'far ibn Yahya
All the above are Christians: Orthodox, Neo-Chalcedonian, Nestorian.and many others may be listed
The importance of "Islam" falls, once we study the original sources
VyckRo 1 month ago