Inside Story-Deliberate or collateral damage-Jan 7 09-Part 1

[JimmyeDallas]

I don't think I've ever seen videos of Israeli children stacked in a morgue and full of bullet holes. Yet I can't count how many times I've seen it in Gaza.

If the American media would show or report what actually happens in Palestine then maybe this issue wouldn't be such a political catastrophe for their presidents to walk on. Especially since this is the principal fundamental reason for anti-Americanism in the Muslim world.

[chekist1917]

@JimmyeDallas Have you seen videos or pictures of Israelis blown up by suicide bombers? We know what happens in Palestine. Go to Memri and watch Palestinian t.v. and see the trash they indoctrinate their kids with. Type in "Farfour" and watch the sick Mickey mouse rip-off t.v. program. Then you'll see exactly why the Pals are so fucked up.

[JimmyeDallas]

I've seen it, and it doesn't surprise me at all. Do you think that Palestinian children need to be indoctrinated by cartoons to hate Israel? They just need to wake up every morning and realize that they have no future, and naturally they blame the Israeli state for most of their grievances.

[frio109]

sound like the same old propaganda

[exmuhammad]

isreal was founded on a breach of international law.tzipi livnis father was operations officer for the irgun and blew up the king david hotel killing 91 people.yair stern is now a national hero with a holiday and songs sung by school children...mmmm..it seems to me general,that if one can see only in one direction,you might be standing in the dark

[offthehook2]

chekist1917. What are you on about? Isreal starved the people, stopped medicine, used power to boycot banks to stop money to charities coming in from UK. This was planned. The machine was moving way before this.

Then Isreal BOMBED..and killed 7 hamas. That was when truce was on. This was before Hamas fired the rockets. That's why HAMAs fired rockets. Get it now? Some people are thick to believe the media and zionists.

Isreal is done for. Watch. It'll backfire big time.

[rckbttm14]

that i believe

[chekist1917]

You idiots always say Israel is done for, then get your ass kicked hard again. The Pals are suffering far less than the Nazis did as the allies closed in. The U.S. carpet bombed Germany and Japan -- too bad the Israelis aren't doing that!

[garyteams]

JEWS are an abomination of civilised society.read this verses to know for your self/ 1samuel.chapter15 the 3 first verses that ask jews to kill enfents and newborn babies women without mercy lol wow

[rubbishman15]

My heart bleeds seeing the three boys at the end of this video. The Israeli army is free to break every law. God will account for their actions i am sure. What strong soldiers the israeli army has - an army that murders defenceless children. Funny how the British or American media would never broadcast the video showing the 3 dead boys.

[thomas38pa]

Israel: You are digging your own grave. Your turn is comming soon. I am ashamed to be an American supporting this Genecide. Shame at all the world watching this and not doing anything. Do you expect the Muslim Countries to live with you in peace as a neighboor.You rather to get everybody killed and not to give in one inch.You are creating more Hitlers. You are danger to entire world including US. We might not to be there for you anymore.

[madi786]

respect for ur veiws..at least u dont let propoganda get to your head..unlike alot of people

[kogba]

The Nazi payed for their crimes. When will Israel pay?

[AmishCoffee]

Israel-Hamas war will have no end. Both parties must be responsible and think more of long term solution than their own false pride and stupidity.

[turbotraker]

Israel has ALWAYS breached international law!! Nobody enforced it then, no-one will enforce it now, unless Iran does us a favour?

[gui1977]

FREE PALESTINE!!

[salbal777]

How could AIPAC control America? Can any one explain it?

[quickfixyz]

just like maddox was controlling american money.

[Human2025]

For people who thing this is ok, I hope you love your childeren too.

I feel very sad to be a human.

[RuflessRecords]

Not one deliberate death of a civilian in Gaza by Israel. Surely the most stupid person can tell that Israel could waste hundreds of thousands of Gazans in a few minutes of concentrated bombing if they wanted to. If Israel was not playing the politically correct war and not trying to just hit Hamas guys, there wouldn't be 810 dead civilians there'd be a hundred times that.

[madi786]

are 810 dead civilians not bad enough?

the fact that UN buildings are also being bombed doesnt matter?

the fact that they want to bomb the shit out off gaza 2 teach "hamas" a lesson? and they expect nobody to retaliate they expect people 2 take this and "learn a lesson"?

with no food being let in no water children being left as orphans these people have no feelings do they?

[stabani786]

hamas has every right to defend their people, their land and even reclaim israel back as it's own, israel took that land and they had no right to it-shoyld not rule over land and then claim it as a jewish state whilst pushing the peopl who initially lived there to live in inhumian conditions-they have no rght to that land and no justification for this war-UN says its illegal war and illegal occupation-international law says exactly the same thing,however UK & USA cant seem to understand this

[7tanja]

If you rely so much on the UN why not accept also the vote that declared the State Of Israel HYPOCRITE

[thagoodfella8]

To be an Israeli, is to blame the victims of your crimes and get away with it.

[truth12mtl]

israel are killer, more terrible crimes than those committed by the Nazis than nazis, they are making horrible holaucost, not myth of holaucost us nazis did.

israel=killer of childrens= terror= massacre=nazis

[GOODCHRISTIEN]

Israel is nothing but a zionest country established over the dead bodies of those innosent people....

[wakamiya]

israel needs the ocean view srsly

[EDB0223]

Watch this:(Children of Hamas)

Hamas is killing their own kids!

[EDB0223]

Without question Hamas and its Iranian backers are 100% to blame for every death in Gaza and Israel. Hamas kept firing rockets hoping Israel would do this. The world was warned, I kept seeing this get closer just watching youtube. time and time again Hamas told Israel to " COME ON AND ATTACK GAZA AND ALL ISRAELI SOLDIERS WILL DIE". Now they want to blame the IDF? Put the blame where it belongs! HAMAS ask for this!

[inder19852000]

Israel cant be bought down by arms,as they have a sophisticated military power and a nuclear weapon,which frightens their arab neighbours.Non-violence resistance through media,people can help the folks in the West to acknowledge that Palestinians are the real and not the Zionists

[inder19852000]

Plz watch the video"OCCUPATION 101" in YOUTUBE.See and hear the truth from prominent Jews............I didnt before watching this,what was really happening there......Fight the injustice,not through weapons,but through non-violent resistance

[MyRiseToHonor]

I#, thanks for that, I'm there! I'll say this before I go, fight Land Grabbing because there was somebody already there when the Ancient Hebrew migrated to "The Land of Milk and Honey"! There seems to be only blood flowing there now, and it's the blood of the indigenous regardless of who's at fault! Our Native American's here in the United States were basically once called terrorist also and they could relate to all of this! NOT LOL

[gorgorothpa]

oh christ, i remember watching this, that israeli guy was trying to justify murdering children and attacking a school

i like al jazeera, unbiased, although press tv(that iranian channel) is brilliant just for george galloway

[mispotach]

US veto truce proposal by Egypt and Arab worlds, because it didnt contain to halt HAMAS roket into israel. There should be a balance resolution in truce proposal, not only israel forces withdrawing from GAZA but also surveilance of launching HAMAS rocket. US has rightly & balance used its privilege.

But US hatred will be blinded of this, they have read many propoganda hatred and didnt see from diffrent side. No wonder they always seek scapegoat of their women and children dead, USA&Israel.

[bleh4001]

To all the people who post comments here, whether you support Israel or not, cannot help but be heart wrenched at the sight of the dead babies stacked on the table. If that sight doesn't affect you, then you need to ask yourself a question if you have any humanity left. Furthermore, Israel may blame Hamas for every death, in the end, it is Israel's bullets that took those babies lives. I hope Barak, Livni, Olmert are pleased with themselves and can sleep well at night.

[davidronaldp]

who,s country was it first israel or palestine???

[tzefalos]

Israel novemeber

[davidronaldp]

what u mean november?

[mispotach]

@To All Blame HAMAS...They failed protecting their women and children. Provoking Israel to conduct massive forces. HAMAS also have failed to prepare good government who had good will to have peace between country surround its border. Their manifesto is not to recognize israel existing was Evil will. Israel intents was barely clear to sway out HAMAS rocket position. IDF was trying to stand Israel existing,HAMAS should bear Human Catasthopes in GAZA to UN Council. Allah punish HAMAS in HELL.

[aziz2085]

hamas was attcked becoz it refuses israel as a nation, dont u understand. hamas is elected but israel and us disliked that.

[Ahmed127]

Israel broke the truce because they bombed the Rafah border in November, a CLEAR violation of the CEASEFIRE and they never open up the border

[namme867]

that's what you get by sleeping with the terrorist hamas group and by protecting them...

[yasdrah1234]

Both parties involved in this travesty, IN MY OPINION, are wrong. Period ~ Have been wrong for decades and will continue to be wrong. This is natural selection. The sad thing is, neither party will open their eyes to see this. "Children with bullets in there chest",Come on now, lets be real for a minute... That is the sickest form of propaganda waged to gain support and justification for the continuance of offensive actions Ive ever seen. It is very unfortunate. STOP THE VIOLENCE.

[5780373]

these Israeli leaders resemble Milosevic to me

[KeyNesew]

Being elected democratically doesn't imply Hamas is democratic. Hitler was elected too, and yet later he established an opressive rule, like Hamas did on Gaza. Hamas is the enemy of Palestineans. Where are the shelters they were supposed to build these last 6 months? Where is the food and medicine they failed to smuggle?

Oh, but they have full capability of getting weapons and protect their coward leaders. Sickening.

[FATBOITHEREAL]

u r comapring hamas to hitler hamas couldnt invade a country if they wanted to they r occupied do u idiots not know what that means isreal was stoping food and medicine from coming in u act like they have unlimited resorces.

[aziz2085]

yeh the same jews funded hitler and prescott bush authorised the sell of weapons to hitler.. hitler was a false flag to get jews out of grmany to israel. the irael plan was devised before world war 2...why did god make tv;s this tv really has brainwashed people due to media/

[nathanhail]

I don't understand how you can blame Isreal when Hamas was the one who was firing off missles. Sure Isreal declared war but do you honestly think Gaza wouldn't if they thought they could do shit? I do not support the way Isreal has done things but when Hamas used terrorist methods this is the kind of stuff that they endorsed and drove Isreal to have to deal accordingly.... But none the less they need better intelligence and much more discretion..... Stop the hate.

[aziz2085]

hamas says israel broke the peace treaty due to not wanting to deal with hamas as elected party,.

[thomasmc1957]

Zionists are NAZIs, plain and simple.

[5adam555]

Every human who does not speak up against the crime is indirectly being a part of it.

[stabani786]

i am a ashamed of arab rulers there under the thumb ov AMERICA, thy knt evn unite in such a time to defend the MUSLIMS of gaza- whether people like it or not or want to believe it or not thiz iz a form of ethinc cleansing- just like any otehr religion judaism does not allow murder for no such reason - well GENERAL wah r u doin then- hw can u justify thiz war wothout breaching wat your religion says- Gaza has to defend itself there is nothing wrong with that-why have u bombed a UN school?justify?

[chekist1917]

The school was bombed because two members of Hamas, brothers as well, were firing mortars. arab rulers don't want to get involved because they told Hamas to cool it in the first place. They don't want ot be part of it. This is all Hamas. Now they are paying.

[aziz2085]

so u bomb a whole skool due to 2 bombers...lol wat a joke. jews always on news on tv try to force people to belive them,..this is arrogance plainly

[chekist1917]

You bomb wherever the fire is coming from. The blame goes to Hamas for trying to hide behind innocent civilians. Even an idiot like you should understand that.

[stabani786]

some people especially u knt get thru your thick head that israel are bombing everwhere in gaza,if u looked at a map you would see that compaing gaza to israel is like comparing an ant to a lion they just cant compare in size,so it makes it very easy for israel to bomb the whole of gaza in a reasonably short amount of time, and thatz nt the point aswel, human shield? Hamas the elected govrment has every right to defend their people,there land and RECLAIM ISRAEL AS THEIR OWN,AS IT WAZ THERE LAND!

[stabani786]

wah a time thiz attack came in - Barack obama evn if he wanted to knt do anything because Bush still in white house-and we all nw that bush haz bin useless since day 1- he gave israel 8 years to do wat ever thy wanted to without anyone holding them to account-ashamed to live under thiz UK goverment thy have the power to stop thiz but of course they wont-there more worried about the economy which if u have read upon waz all a plan to bring the west to itz knees- whoz plan was it?research upon it

[stabani786]

read up on the zionist plan- u will 'not' be surprised after u c thiz video-hamas was elected goverment-thy saying that hamas iz using human shieldz- whee else do teh civilianz go israel iz firing everywhere in israel-israel hav no justification fr thiz war however gaza does, if someone occupied your houseand gave u a little corner to live in would you not fight back and defend ur loved ones-thiz iz exactly the situation in gaza- israel the new nazi'z-Bush useles since day 1-so wah he gna do

[audisport]

stop typing likez diz itz fukiingz annoyingz .

[stabani786]

Israel hav no justification for thiz war over 700 palestinians dead and thatz more than 150 dead children and 90 women and who knowz how many elderly children . video at 11 minutes and 40 seconds > wah did theze children deserve 2 die, ya Allah help the palestinian people to overcome thiz hardship and may the israeli army die and perish in hell inshALLAH thy r not humanz thy r lower thn animals evn animalz know not to attack little cubz,3 hour window for medic supplies i think not itz all a lie

[connielane]

The Israelis say nothing but lies. Nobody believes them anymore. That general is the reincarnation of Hitler!

[cat00012000]

America knows no shame. As a disabled vietnam veteran my life has been one of a witness of the rich victimizing the poor. America never tires of praising itself especially its radical right wing which thirsts for violence. America spends more on its milatary than the rest of the world combined. Israel is its client state. Both just love to kill. It gives them a thrill. Look at Bush. It's why he went into Iraq. Someday the USA will fall, and the world will be a better place.

[yoofer121]

who else coud give them weapons AMERICA!!!!!

[NewLemurian]

the blame game needs to stop, it's counter-productive

[SmashYourTelevision3]

"the blame game needs to stop, it's counter-productive"

Nice try. Show me the videos that show Israeli babies with bullet holes in there chest. There is none. israel is to blame. And all jews should be collectively blamed for supporting this.

[NewLemurian]

Ok, now that you've blamed them what do you do? I agree there should be war crimes brought against the leaders but blaming the whole jewish people or blaming the whole ANY people doesn't do shit but promote ignorance

[c0ldhands]

Israel really did it this time,this time they only needed a small flicker of a flame to go all out and kill everything in sight, even UNs marked shelters for civilians! Not sure everyone understands whats happening here, but this is an religious war, jews versus muslims, and Israel thinking they are the chosen people by God so they can do as they please. But I ask you this question : What if relgion doenst actually exist and we all believe in nonsense...Then would it be wrong to kill so many?

[MangaVoltage]

'they are innocent'

How many hours before you came up with this.Your brain worked a lot today.

[mispotach]

Israel Forces aims to protect its citizen from Stupid HAMAS rocket. There were no intends to extend its boundary in this war.

Stupid HAMAS aims is not clear, instead provoke Israel to conduct massive forces. After their women and children died media exposed and world condemned Israel.

This stupid act only by coward insane

[0Statix0]

Its quite obvious.. watch the videos of israeli UAV's you can see they target mortar rounds, theres a video of outside of that school there was Mortar fire coming from it so they bombed it.. and bullshit to te hamas they are hiding with the civilians because they are the fucking civilians.. if you dont want civilian casualties dont hide as one of them.. fuck hamas keep goin israel.

[mispotach]

Stupid HAMAS make mistake. Dont make a war if you can not protect your woman and children....

[EtherTheProdigy]

peace to you :)

i'm glad you posted this comment because it brings up a point i have been entertaining; that hamas does NOT represent the palestinian people, not in this case anyway.

i heard they were elected but, judging from their ignorance of the consequences of their decision to pursue this war, they cannot have the palestinian people's best interest in mind.

one more thing: does anyone know who broke the cease-fire to begin with; i have heard different reports. thanks.

[mehdi1330]

hamas is an elected government in a democratic way all independent international observeres have admited this,

[55oiram]

Palestinians are innocent,,they do not know what their doing. please understand that hamas are not palestinians,they are innocent. Palestinians are good people and they love Jews and they worship zion. Israelis love muslim and the love their moske and they are willing to embrace quran. AM I RIGHT?????

[psdesigner]

let's get what exactly happened:

1. Israel blockaded a hole city in a siege like prison for more than two years with nearly no food nor water !

2. Israel begin to kill people in Gaza, they killed more than 60 people before Gaza started lunching small rockets !

3. people in Gaza begin to lunch tiny rockets that didn't kill anybody ! they just fell in streets !

4. Israel used that as a reason to massacre them ! to kill innocent women and Child's ! to wipe out the hole city of Gaza !

[0Statix0]

Lol you clearly have no clue do you, hamas were using rockets in 2005 killing israelis way before this.. so you can shut the fuck up.. and your such a tool they dont target civis u prick they are targeting mortar fire.. GO WATCH ISRAELI UAV VIDOES and if you say omg its fake or w,e its propaganda ur a retard they see the smoke from the mortar fire, they see rockets been fired so they bomb that area and because th Hamas are scum they fire it right next to densley populated civi areas..

[SmashYourTelevision3]

!3 jews have died since 2005 big deal. 5000 Palestinians have died. By the way read The Giant With Feet of Clay: Raul Hilberg and his Standard Work on the Holocaust by Jürgen Graf available online. The holocost is just as exaggerated as the rocket attacks on israel.

[psdesigner]

Israel want to wipe out the hole City of Gaza in front of the eyes of the world

i remember Ariel Sharon aid in 2000: "i hope Gaza can disappear" !

this one of the most inhuman war in mankind!

[see8no8evil]

when you see all the dead children you want to kill that israeli cock suker yaakov

[oggzster]

see8no8evil: Yesterday I copied & pasted one of your comments onto your channel page and added that if you felt no guilt in what you typed you would not remove it. Today I see you have removed it. It was about slitting a muslim mans childs throat while you stood above him as he lay dying. You took great joy in watching muslim men die. Now today you defend them???! You are here merely to insult both sides to get a rise out of people? Sick, twisted.

[EtherTheProdigy]

thank you to al-jazeera english for bringin this to the fore.

please, everyone, do all you can to rally support for an end to this terrible violence. share this with your friends & family, write to your elected officials, spread on your social networking sites. the world has a moral duty to work toward an end to this war whether government takes steps or not.

[dazenman11]

I've NO sympathy for the "Palestinians," Hamas play a double standard and look at what Lebanon is doing know yet they'll cry foul if Israel responds.

[see8no8evil]

well we don't have sympathy for the cancer that will eat you and your loved ones

[EtherTheProdigy]

peace to you :)

please, don't allow the misguided nastiness of others infect your spirit; the saying is indeed true and appropo in this case: only LOVE can dispell hate.

oneLOVE to all;

peace in the middle east.

no more finger pointing and division!

[madi786]

the original comment asked for an end to this violence..and your comment shows ur biaseness..ur statement is pathetic..

[EtherTheProdigy]

peace to you :)

and may god guide you.

that you say you have no sympathy for the loss of life saddens me--whether that life is israeli, palestinian, or any other is irrelevant. i hope you will consider your statement and reply from the wisdom and kindness of your logical self and heart.

[SmashYourTelevision3]

Israel fires rockets at itself and blames it on Lebanon. Anyone who looks at those children with holes shot in there chests and is not sympathetic has mental problems. All of jewry have a collective sociopathology.

[johnnynova84]

From an american citizen I feel so sorry for the people of gaza.

[cobwebhead]

Israel, what's your goal in Gaza? Does this help? Did the blockade help?

[davidinfo13]

no room for dialogue in this type of ridiculous political and social situation. This is the product of a clearly racist nation

[ipe9578251]

Poor ANGELS!!! Their lives were ended that sudden. Israel & USA will pay for their crimes!!!

[Azzifizzle]

my condolences go out to the families of the lost souls, but what crimes did the US commit? proof?

those were NOT United States' troops/tanks/air strikes firing into Gaza, those were Israel troops/tanks/air strikes

why would the US get into another War? they have enough only smart thing we can do is use diplomacy to broker a cease-fire between the 2 (mainly Israel)

[Zthecypher]

But who made it possible that israel exist as a nation

And who the F...K is supplieing them with weapons and intel

[ipe9578251]

Are you being blinded by your bias mainstream NEWS networks. Israel would have been brought to justice if not for the US intervention. If not for the US, Israel is a nobody.

[Zthecypher]

yep ipe is right its because of the US that isreal is showing their big bals

[SmashYourTelevision3]

Azzifizzle

we have to put our own tribal impulses behind us and admit that we are the bad guys. We give israel not the 3 billion commonly quoted but billions upon billions, plus 10s of billions of military "surplus" are funnelled into israel. Read the 1st chapter of 'The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy' by Mearsheimer and Walt, and it explains that we give them in the 10s of billions per year. We, primarily, and the other "developed" countries to a lesser extent, have tacitly allowed this.

[Mituhori]

FUCK ISRAEL!

[anujbahl]

One day Israel will have to answer for this inhumanity. It seems that the holocaust was nothing but a training lesson for the Jews. It's exactly what they are doing to the Palestinians.

[ipe9578251]

Curse ISRAEL & the UNION SOVIET OF NAZI AMERICA!!!

[SmashYourTelevision3]

ipe9578251

"Curse ISRAEL & the UNION SOVIET OF NAZI AMERICA!!!"

Yes, I must say as an American, curses be upon us. Curses are deserved. Shame be upon us for letting AIPAC, and the jews conquer us. We are all dolts and fools. We have been swindled by the worlds oldest swindlers. Everyone knows jews are swindlers and still we are fooled. This is a sad day. Death to the families of whoever defends these actions.

[sunkcontrol]

would u say muslims r unhumourous.americans r fat,the irish fight.stop yapping she itte.

[see8no8evil]

UN is fuken useless

[see8no8evil]

cancer to yaakov amidror children

[Radiant420]

Where are they gonna go with no food and shelter and they blockaded them in that cage as well. That Israeli is a moron.

[koolDeception]

No truth will come out of EVIL.

[speakerofpeace]

war crime...israelis are terrorists! they want to strike innocent civilians clearly can be seen! israelis always violate laws and get away with it whether they violate the geneva convention or violate HUMAN RIGHTS!

[4Love10]

this is a war crime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SHAME ON THE UN,COMPLETELY USELESS.

[alphadawg44]

on that we can agree

[MachinaSapien]

not only totally useless, but complicit by allowing the united states the ability to veto resolutions condemning these atrocities.

chavez suggested moving the UN headquarters from new york to somewhere more nuetral.

[chekist1917]

Uh, the U.S. would still have a veto even if the UN were moved to Caracas. Idiot.

[MachinaSapien]

you fucking moron, i didnt say they wouldnt, and you missed the whole point.

go die in a hole you zionist baby killing scumbag

[chekist1917]

F/O dummy. Moving the UN wouldn't change a thing.  The Palestinians have killed babies, too, and are complicit in the deaths are occuring right now. Stop firing rockets or get hammered and smashed down. Duh.

[MachinaSapien]

how about stop killing 500 babies and turning gaza into something reminicent of the warsaw ghetto that held the jews in ww2? oh how the tables have turned, who's hitler now? the israeli leadership and its satanic supporters like you, a worthless shit bubble.

[fuzzywzhe]

@chekist1917 Have you ever seen a video of a Palestinian rocket site, even in your life? Have you ever seen an arms smuggling tunnel that Israel says exists when they bulldoze a home? Ever?

.

I haven't, and I've watched this conflict for 20 years. Why is there no evidence for all of Israel's claims and justifications?

[chekist1917]

@fuzzywzhe Then you are a sad sack o' shit researcher. Here on Youtube go to the search box and type "Hamas rocket launch." Then hit the search button.

And Hamas admits to the tunnels and even levy taxes on them. You can't really be this stupid.........

[fuzzywzhe]

@chekist1917 Here's what I'm going to ask you to do.

.

I want you to find a video, with a date, and a geographical location that is stated, the demonstrates a Hamas rocket launch. Find that.

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Some dark videos of some unknown object being blown up at an unidentified time in god knows where in the world, isn't evidence. It's trivial to fake. You never will see proof. Just claims.

[checkist1917]

@fuzzywzhe I don't need a video chimp. I don't need a time chimp. I don't need a geographical location chump. I don't need any proof chump. I'm right and that's all there is to it ace. Got that sparky?

[fuzzywzhe]

@checkist1917 "I don't need a video chimp. I don't need a time chimp. I don't need a geographical location chump. I don't need any proof chump. I'm right and that's all there is to it ace. Got that sparky?"

I think so. Are you saying facts, data, evidence, proof, etc don't matter to you one bit?

The fact is, that Israel released doctored video of the incident, and destroyed or at lease confiscated a lot of video evidence, and never released it.

Why would they do this, if they aren't lying?