I'm not surprised that this fat disgusting nerd looks like this. This hardcore IWA shit is NOT wrestling. For fucks sake, that Mickie Knuckles butch freak has NO athletic ability. She's just a fat cunt. It sickens me how you think attempted murder is justified. Its sickening how you defend a "company" with a tiny crowd in a parking lot. That Levy guy was wrong, but he didn't deserve to be almost killed. You're a fuckin waste of sperm you fat disgusting PIG. Get a fuckin life. Loser.
Sorry about all the posts-only have so much space: Saying that this kid wasnt hurt that bad is ridiculous as well. Have you ever been hit in the head with a shoot chair shot before? Have you had your head shoot stomped into a barbed wire ladder? I mean, this was a vicious beating. It was unprofessional. This guy was trying to leave based solely on instinct at that point. After all that shit they were doing-he just had to get out of there for his own survival. I dont approve of IWA in this.No way
Adding to my first post: Rotten re-booking Levy is him protecting his ass from what should be a lawsuit for a shoot beating that shouldnt have taken place. This wasn't Rotten "giving this kid an opportunity." This was Rotten trying to make an example of a yarder in his YARD BASED FEDERATION-which makes no sense to me.
First of all, I agree that Mike Levy had no business in the ring. Second of all, I understand that this isnt the first beat down in pro wrestling history. However, I have one question: What video were you watching? Mickie Knuckles punched Levy in the face as hard as she could within the first minute of the match! As a wrestler myself, I was taught that if you get potatoed, you hit em back. Therefore, Levy did the right thing hitting her back. Rotten shouldnt have booked him.
why must u guys call levy a kid he is 28 i would know and levy had know idea any of tht at the end was coming oir he wouldve faught back but all this is crap we had pondo come down for milestone wrestlings november rain so obviously pondo and him is okay
i agree with you 100% dude...mike levy got everything he deserved....well not quite everything...he deserved to get it worse...and his time is comin so yea
I am shocked that you would say Mickie "worked" with him because i've watched hours and hours of IWA and in all seen maybe 3 minutes of work. IWA was a haven for non-workers- guys (like Ian) who couldn't draw a dime or get over anywhere without using light tubes and barbed wire and shit like that because they're not talented enough to do anything else. It was unprofessional for Ian to book him and unprofessional to beat him down like that while breaking kayfabe no less. You fuckin' dummy.
The fact that Mike Levy was an obnoxious,overweight,overconfident piece of shit,does not fucking give ANYONE the right,to FUCKING CURBSTOMP 300 lbs on the back of his fucking skull into a steel ladder,wrapped in barbedwire,TWICE!
Okay, Skippy. Number 1. You must be one of seven fans of this low rate, scumbag promotion called IWA MS. Number 2. Ian Rotten breaking kayfabe to publicly humiliate and assault this kid was the biggest insult to the professional wrestling world and it's a shame that Ian Rotten and his group of inbreeds could even get away with calling themselves professional wrestlers. What he did wasn't new or "cutting edge". It was lame. He basically demoted himself to a smark with this incident.
Mickie stiffed Mike Levy mere seconds into the match. She hit HIM with a headbutt, which is why she had a knot on her head, IWA is fucking stupid and this just reflects poorly on the wrestling industry.
I was there, watching with Sabu...even Sabu was begging for it to stop. It was real. Mickie stiffed Mike...Mike fought back...and Ian and Co. jumped him. You're a mark kid. I fuckin' wrestled for Ian for years...I know him in and out...you are just like "BIG FAN"...the movie coming out about an ingorantly obsessed football fan who takes up for a player after the player beats his ass. I'm writing a book...the truth is in the book. You're fuckin' stupid. Ian cuts his face. Fuck IWA.
Look at this out of wrestling, buddy. Work, shoot, stiff, shit doesn't matter in the real world when you're actually trying to cause harm on somebody, what if Levy was killed? None of your reasons would hold up in a court of law.
I dont think he gets it. Working for the IWA is totally like paying your dues. Its not like they paid the guy a million dollars to be there. lol he probably got gas money if he was lucky.
Listen you stupid fucking idiot. This has nothing to do with pro wrestling or IWA, this is to do with multiple people beating someone (granted Mike Levy is a fucking diot) to the point of him trying desperately to escape from the ring. YOU BELIEVE THEY WERE IN THE RIGHT????
...I once watched someone do something similar to that curb stomp WITHOUT a ladder and he's now in jail for attempted murder. Get back in the human race you piece of scum. I will never be supporting IWA again. My money's going elsewhere. Call yourself a human? FUCK YOU!
completely agree. How out of touch with reality must you be to take the side of the people inflicting a beating on this guy? How is it justified to administer a beating to anyone, let alone after a wresting match? If you truly believe Rotten and his group were justified in doing this, here's a few future careers for you to consider: klansmen, hitler youth work programs, professor of hate crimes, or serial rapist. Keep up talk like this and you're on your way :)
You say IWA did nothing wrong. They were in the right.
Then you say that Ian's son should NOT have been involved.
Did you ever think that maybe both were at fault? Mike & IWA (Ian)
I am a huge IWA fan & I always will be. I will still watch & spend money on IWA. This did not change my fellings on IWA at all. It got them a lot of heat & a lot of people talking.
Mike Levy you are short lived sensation. Make yourself a forever name & kill or die during a match. Movies, articles, tv time, & countless conversations. Be a Forever Legend!!!!!
Mickie gave the not to herself. Your a idiot. They explained a match to me and didn't do any thing that was plained. Plus she told me to work stiff. She didn't try and take a easy on me. She lied and we had a match plained and the first thing she did was hit me in the head with a light tube. I was givin a chance at all. Plus a lot of the workers don't talk good about Ian. Man you are a fucking idiot.
Are you kidding me, what a joke, this is not hardcore wrestling, this is guys that cant hold a job at Wendys. And for this little man making the video, listen to yourself, throw a few more "aints", and broken English in your videos just in case the average fan doesnt know your a mark for wrestling. Let me tell ya about John williams, a.k.a. Ian Rotten, he wasnt even good enough to be a partner whose best wrestling move is using a fork. Get a clue.
It doesn't MATTER if he fucked up a spot and stiffed her a few times. Doesn't matter. They still stomped the shit out of the guy, they still humiliated him. They still screamed at him and kicked him repeatedly in the face and what for? Fucking up their golden girl and not "knowing how to sell."
Idiots like you on the internet give wrestling fans a bad name. If it was any other job than wrestling, the idea of "not paying your dues." resulting in a kick to the head...Fuck.
My opinion on the incident. Everyone was wrong, Levy, rotten, Moore, Knucles. Levy shouldn't have been working with a piece of shit like Rotten, Levy did agree to take part of something so shitty like the IWA. Knuckles was aggressive from the beginning. Mickey stiffed him first and you could see confusion in his eyes. hillbilly inbreed piece of shit company. Rotten is simply a pussy in my eyes. Jumped a guy with no experience and took it too far. Easy to inflict pain when someone is defenless.
I attended the TPI Q&A on Saturday and a guy asked about the Mike Levy incident and Ian's response was...
The Mike Levy incident was SCRIPTED! At the TPI Q&A a guy asked about the Levy incident and Ian said... It was scripted. Ian told him that he'd get a shot in the tourney because two of the women couldn't make the show. So he told him he was going to just get his a** kicked the entire match. And Levy agreed.
Ian whispered in Mickie's ear before the match started to protect herself from a guy with minimal training. Since Levy IS trained (obviously not very well). Mickie did NOT cause the welt on her head. Because she's thrown SEVERAL unprotected headbutts and never got a welt that big. It's from a guy who throws a headbutt between the eyes. Ian then said he had no idea about Tank and Devon coming to the ring.
an whispered in Mickie's ear before the match started to protect herself from a guy with minimal training. Since Levy IS trained (obviously not very well). Mickie did NOT cause the welt on her head. Because she's thrown SEVERAL unprotected headbutts and never got a welt that big. It's from a guy who throws a headbutt between the eyes. Ian then said he had no idea about Tank and Devon coming to the ring.
. He said was sitting back watching the match then Tank went up to Ian and said I should go stomp that f*ckers head in and Ian just shrugged. Ian then said Levy thanked him for the opprotunity and went to his hotel room took a shower and CAME back for the night show.
Agree that this was not as "bad" as the MTI because:
1. Levy obviously had SOME wrestling knowledge.
2. had plenty of time to pull out rather than just being there on the night.
3. is of legal age.
4. did not have New Jack in the ring
On the other hand, it does look to me like an attempt to work a MTI which is pretty sick, but if that's your bag fair enough. As far as Im concerned consenting adults can do what the f*ck they like to each other and deal with the consequences
Two poor workers booked in a fifth rate promotionm,followed by a misguided display of machismo. The match was a mess with Knuckles as responsible for the 'stiffing' as Levy. What folows is unjusifiable and should have resulted in criminal charges. It's a show and it seems everyone forgot that..
Dude you have to lay off from snorting that Meth, thats why your nose is bothering you. Mickie stiffed Levy first, also the announcer didnt finish introducing Mickie before she attacked him. He stiffed her back after she stiffed him with the knee, you should watch the match before you comment and make a video about it. This isnt a common thing, in our Federation, if you dont work properly, you never work with us again.
the people bashing you are so stupid. they act like he got so seriously hurt. and then there's the fact that he's participant in iwa-ds carnage cup this year...poor mike levy. these people are idiots. if you watch the match, when she tries to take it easy on him, he starts stiffing her. he wasn't selling at all, and if you watch the peter b beautiful match, he took 3 very brutal chairshots to the head. if you bitches who feel sorry for levy don't like the violence, watch wwe. fucking fags
levy is a complete fool. as is rotten 4 booking him, wtf did he expect. the guy cant wrestle so y did they allow him 2 wrestle in the qotdm? i know u said he wanted to be in it, but the fact is so what he wanted to be in it, if i said i wanted to be in it would he book me to be in the qotdm? i don't think so. the guy doesn't deserve any sympathy but iwa don't deserve any support for their actions. if they were so worried about mickie knuckles y put her in a match with an untrained fool.
your video probably gave him a brain aneurysm due to its lack of logical points and general ignorance especially when it came to you resorting to name calling the promoter of IWA MS a big fat disgusting fat sloppy promoter pig...just stick with your eagles and mets vids and cuz you MIGHT know a thing or two about it unlike with IWA MS
I also read on CZWfans that a guy named Big Joe or something like that recremonded a company to book Levy saying he was worth the hype he basically begged for a company to book Levy.
So don't blame Ian or IWA for doing this shit blame Big Joe. Ian was just listening to a fan who recremonded someone.
I agree 100% with you. Danny Havoc wasn't bitching and probably got more hurt after the Michinoku Driver off a scaffold through a light tube table.
Besides if the "beat down" was as bad as everybody says it is then why the hell could you see Levy clearly in the crowd enjoying himself and having a good time? Mickie is like a daughter to Ian so what would you people do if an untrained piece of shit caused your daughter to have a HUGE welt on her head? You'd prolly beat the shit out of him.
Now I'm going to ask everyone who doesn't want to support IWA:MS anymore a question: If Levy was getting beat down...Why didn't he call for help or ever make a genuine attempt to run away or fight back?...Was he to beat down to ask for help? No because Levy was fine backstage just moments after the reported "BEAT DOWN." Some people now are pawns in Levy's game...it's a sad reality to witness...
lol what sad bastard even watches iwa mid south anyway its fucking trash its basically glorified backyard wrestling,that draws about 22 losers to it's show,just a sad case of how much pro wrestling sucks balls
ok don't stereotype IWA-MS look at the TPI and the Chris Candido cup. Most of the time they put on straight up wrestling with guys like Chris Hero, Josh Abercrombie, Claudio Castagnoli and tons more so please get your facts straight before you say something else that stupid. You might be upset about the Levy thing but don't stereotype you make yourself look dumb.
im not upset i found something humorous in it it made me laugh seeing as something so cheap and pathetic made morons believe that it wasnt an angle,what is straightup wrestling doing cool innovative moves that nobody has ever seen just to make the crowd go wow for a second none of these guys no how to tell a story
its clear to me from your ignorant posting that you do not watch iwa ms at all...you contribute nothing but verbal diarrhea to this discussion...instead you state stupid claims about iwa ms being just a bunch of backyard wrestling which nightmareballa1 has called BS on...and now you say their wrestler's can't tell a story??? where do you come up with this nonsense
i dont feel too bad for mike levy but i thought when he stiffed mickie those couple times, what he got was a little extreme. mike levy didn't really hurt knuckles at all with the shots he gave her. she gave herself that bumb on her head from freakin headbutting levy. i just think the beating was a little too brutal in my opinion. good vid
Mass Transit i think not. Anyone who says this is worse than Mass Transit is a fucking cumstain on life. Mass Transit was a guy who lied about his age in order to work a match (which such get no sympathy)and made the mistake of letting New Jack blade him. Levy on the other had was brought in by IWA-MS to work a match and he stiffed Knuckles for no reason and no sold to hurt the match and got a beating not nearly as bad as he should of got. The real victim hear is Ian Rotten for being the bad guy
Ian Rotten should have never booked Levy. Simple as that. What did he expect to happen? He put a moron in Levy in with his top star... that is fucking stupid. That is my main issue... Ian put himself into a stupid position in the first place, and then beat down Levy, 3-1, for 5 minutes because of his own stupid booking decision. I have little symplathy for Levy... but everyone here was in the wrong.
Why the fuck would he not book Levy? The guy was trained - by whom is debatable considering he's clearly shit at his craft. The fans wanted to see him. Where in there screams out that Levy should never have been booked?
If the fans wanted to see him, why not put him in the ring with someone not as important as Mickie, someone he wouldn't be as likely to "go into buisness for himself" with. Then when thier stupid booking bites them in the arse, they beat him down, 4 on 1, including a 12 year old. Yeah, I remember back in the territory dayz when 12 year olds would throw light bulbs.
I don't know where your getting this light bulb part from when Ian's kid was using a kendo stick or something like that.. Also, none of the fans were involved in the incident either.
Ian's kid threw the lightbulb into Levy's head... They waz showin' him how to work apprently.
And I guess that fan, Big Joe held a gun up to Ian's head and demanded he book Levy... and Ian did so, fearing for his life and if he didn't, people would never go to the event. While he was at it, he never had a look to actually see if the moron could actually work... gimmie a break.
Well apparently you don't follow IWA MS too closely since whenever a fan requests somebody for him to bring in, Ian usually gives him a shot. Like me ore example I requested Necro Butcher vs. Danny Havoc at the 500th Show, what happens couple days later the match is announced to happen. Ace Steel was requested for TPI what happens, he gets booked. Ian listens to the fans and normally gives them what they want, if the request isn't too ridiculous.
Actually, I do/did follow IWA: MS. See my channel. I've reviewed many of thier shows, givin favorable reviews many a time.
What is the difference between Necro, Havoc, Steel and Levy? Well, for 1, they have experience and 2, they have some name value outside of being a novelty. Just because the fans want to see it, doesn't mean it should be booked. I'm sure some people wanted to see Pacman in TNA... that doesn't mean it should have happened.
I know you review their DVDs and if you haven't noticed I am subscribed to you. But to stop watching IWA MS for this beat down is just ridiculous to be quite honest. This is NOT the first beat down like this in IWA MS, if you have any knowledge on their history Peter B. Beautiful got a beat down from ian that happened a loooong time ago and yet I don't see anyone bitching and moaning about that.
I was aware of the Peter B Beautful incident. That is one of the reasons many internet fans look down on IWA-MS, yet, in the past, I have defended them, I have supported them, but when they do bullshit like this, shit I find retarded from ALL parties involved, it makes me look like a dick for supporting them. The reason I am not watching is because of the stupidity and absurdity of this whole incident that should have never happened. Just because it happened before doesn't make it okay.
I admit that there was a different way to handle the situation but Ian was nice enough to give the guy a shot to make a name for himself, but apparently he wasn't humble enough to be professional about it.
Even if he is not a trained professional he should know how to sell and not to stiff anyone. Mickie was clearly taking it easy on him, once he stiffed her with a head but Mickie stiffed him back and told him to take it easy, what happens he continues to stiff her so Mickie snaps on him.
So Ian is the nice guy here? While I admit Levy was in the wrong, I never said he was a victim. He is a moron who obviously didn't know better. But Mickie threw the first hit, and it was pretty stiff. There were 51 headbuts throw in that match, Mickie even mounted him and was headbutting him.
The situation should have never happened at all. Period.
i think kuratras is trying to say that for some reason you didn't stop watching IWA MS after this Peter B Beautiful incident which was probably a whole lot worse than Levy (honestly, Levy's beating did NOT look as horrible as ppl are making it out to be), but now you are claiming to not watch IWA MS because of this...its a bit hypocritical dinosauravenger1989 to excuse one beating but not Levy's
the worse thing about this is that Levy will get over for this incident and get future bookings
I wasn't watching when the Peter B Beautiful incident happened. I became aware of it afterwards.
When did I excuse the Peter B Beautiful incident? I thought, maybe, that kind of shit was in the past... but to make the mistake second time, plain fucking stupid. The thing is, the beating is not the problem for me, while I thought it was pointless, stupid and disgusting; the problem is that this was completely avoidable.
true you did not state it, but if it was SUCH A BIG DEAL, than wouldn't that have turned you off of IWA MS...my point being is that this incident should not turn a "loyal" IWA MS fan off from their entire product...imo its ridiculous for a fan to make an ultimatum like this with any company that you feel made a questionable decision
I am happy to say that I will continue to enjoy other IWA MS shows in the future
As I said; This is the second, and some people say third time they have made a questionable decision like this. Maybe I just have some taste and that is why I am so turned off by it. I should point out, that if they had just admitted they made a mistake in booking him in the damn first place, I may not have as much of a problem as I do with them, but they came out and acted like victims. The only victims they were of was thier own stupid booking.
so due to what you think is a bad booking decision, you will not EVER AGAIN watch IWA MS...that's like someone saying they won't watch WWE again because Vince screwed Bret
No, it's due to repeating a bad booking decision, bringing a company I stood and wrestling, something I stand by into disrepute.
Now, I never said I will never watch IWA-MS ever again. I did say I am not going to watch it again, but I may watch again in the future. But right now, I am not paying $20 to watch. I not going to do it for TNA, I'm not doing it for IWA-MS.
Kofi Kingston is still young in this industry - he's clearly poor at his craft, just shades above Mike Levy as far as I'm concerned, but far more professional, obviously. The fans have grown to appreciate him, but he's not massive buys like a Hogan, Rock, Austin or even a Cena, but if the fans want to see him are you going to deny them that and miss out on extra revenue?
Mike Levy may not have the ability to draw 100 people, but whatever he could draw, IWA:MS was willing to bank off of.
What extra revenue outside of Mike Levy's extended family and a handful of people from the interwebs?
IWA-MS's willingness to bank off of that was still stupid. A stupid decision, is a stupid decision nomatter where the idea comes from. In his first match put against one of IWA's biggest draws, when they knew how talented(or untalented) he was. Explain to me please, how is having a 3 on 1 attack, even including a promoters son getting involved and then shouting him down "OUTSIDER" pro?
Your hindsight is starting to kick in. What you're forgetting is the business aspect of this, GOING INTO THE EVENT. If Levy could only pull in 5 new people to the shows, why wouldn't IWA:MS bring him in? That's 5 new people adding to their revenue that they didn't have before. After all, this is the same company that had financial issues prior. Your argument now is "what we know now" versus "what we knew then", so obviously we'd say it's a dumb decision now. It's a daft argument.
I'd still say it was a dumb decision then. If I had known before hand they were booking a guy who made his "name" on the internet, who obviously can't work, and then proceed to book him against one of your biggest draws, and not in a standard match, but a deathmatch! It was a dumb decision which turned out even worse(or better) then people could have thought. Is getting in 5 fans more important then protecting your top draw from someone who could have injured her worse then he did? No.
IWA were dumb for booking him.Levy was dumb for what he did.But I do have a bit of sympathy for Levy,because what he did didnt warrant the beatdown that brutal.Yeah he wasnt badly injured but hes lucky for that.
This is what I don't get - how is it the fault of IWA:MS (not IWA, that's a bigger promotional banner much like the NWA) for booking the guy? They went through the motions like they would for any other wrestler they could afford to bring in that their fans wanted to see. He's professionally trained, the fans wanted to see him, and therefore it was made to happen. At what point was this company irresponsible for bringing him in?
that depeds on who trained him tho, being pro-trained doesn't mean you can take ANYTHING thrown at you. plus if he wasn't FULLY trained, it even worst cuz hes going in haf cocked. he only knows the basics, which if you go against a more experienced westler, hurts more then helps.
levy got recogniton at the price of possibly being maimed. his plan, if he had one, could have easily backfired. and he might not of been so lucky. what if ian or the other had of landed with more force...
what if he drove his THROAT ito the ladder, which almost did happen on the last stomp. did he have training, maybe, but did that mean he was ready for that assault, no. it just means that he was trained good enough to do a normal match, not a match where even veterans can get fucked up. i think he wanted to try and outshine knuckles, not understanding that she was the main focus, not him. she had the experience....
not him. the receipt he got was more then what he deserved, but he still did get off lucky, now next time, he'll know better. Ian knew he wasn't ready for that kind of assault. he knew he couldn't handle it and booked him anyway. wrestling training and deathmatch traning aren't the same thing. he booked a naive, idiot of a fool, the fool tried to make himself look good, at her expense and paid for it. if he does gain exposure from this, i doubt its cuz he planned it, but if so, whatever. lol
I havent seen any evidence so far of Levy being trained.That may be the case but all Ive seen from him outside of IWAMS is backyard level crap.Ive never heard the demand from fans that he be booked either,apart from fans on message boards praising him as a joke.And if IWA didnt want someone to get stiffed,they shouldnt book some un/poorly trained idiot who obviously knew little about working a proper match.
i was marking out during the post match...it was so incredible...it didn't come off of anything really sick or twisted...i think EVERYONE wanted to see Levy get owned...i was quite surprised that people felt so sorry for Levy when really Levy got what was coming to him.
The whole Mike Levy incident was a first hand look at what goes on behind the scenes in the wrestling business. Levy purposly no sold in a attempt to make Mickie look bad. They only thing since i have voiced my opinion on this on Armans vid is that Ian Rotten said that you couldnt comment on the incident unless you had worked a match since IWA-MS needs fan support to keep the company alive and Ian was in a way distinsing himself from the fans
Billy Gram is a idiot. He contradicted himself in his shoot. To clue you in, it isn't 1970 anymore... This type of thing hasn't happened in years in any promotion of any merit.
Facts are facts, Ian knew he couldn't work, hence why he booked him in QOTDM, and then got upset and curb stomped this guys head into a ladder after the match was done. It was bad booking, and last I checked, you streched someone to make 'em pay dues, not get 3 workers to beat a guy down for 5 minutes.
Levy may have gone into buisness for himself, and even then, it's debateable, and many people feel Mickie stiffed him first and this was pre-planned by Ian and his lot. I guess Levy worked IWA-ms... I guess he is on the level of Pillman.
Yes, I even said Levy was a idiot, but how does him being a bad worked warrent a 3 on 1 beatdown. That is called being bad human beings.
Yeah, he didn't go to hospital: but he took 2 curb stomps into a ladder the move is dangerous enough as it is, a few un protected chair shots, etc. He never should have been booked at all, especially not with your top star who has TV, that is plain stupid booking and shooting yourself in the foot.
And I can't remember when in the territory days it took 3 or 4 people, all larger then a worker to beat down and humiliate and guy for 5 minutes.
Perfect example here of skypers just hopping on each others bandwagon. Gilbert thats one guy who works for IWA. Unless he wants to lose income and perhaps a friendship (not sure if him and Ian are close outside of the wrestling world0 hes gonna put out what Ian wants to hear. Hear the story out of Levys parents or someone close to Levy and lets see what you'd think.
Billy Grahm is the closest thing to an unbiased account of the situation as we're ever going to get. You can't take Ian's side as being 100% factual, you certainly can't get it from Mickie, and you most definitely will not get such an account out of Levy. They all have something to gain, so can alter facts to try and present themselves into a better light. All we can do with Grahm's accounts is speculate that he could lose his job, or friendship, by telling the truth.
What, you think you're going to get an unbiased telling of the story from Levy or any of his family members?
Is anyone here going to actually take Ian's accounts as being fair and balanced? How about Mickie's?
If not these people, then who's account? Everyone involved is tainted in some manner. So how can Billy Grahm not be considered the least biased of the all the accounts we're going to see?
because billy grahm is a no talent Jarod. If you read what he has to say it's absolutly ridicioulous. "Tank has a way of making things look better" bull fucking shit!
So I take it you were there backstage after the incident like Billy Grahm was? I don't think so. So none of us have any clue on whose telling the truth. Honestly if everyone wants to PMS over this situation go on ahead it's your loss missing out on some great wrestling.
This incident has been getting too much attention and is over with so hopefully everyone can get over this. Christ happened two months ago.
IF we can't accept his account of the story, then who's are we going to accept? Mike Levy? Mickie Knuckles? Ian Rotten? Ian's son? WHO?
The most unbiased source to come out is going to have a bias somewhere. It's assumptive to believe that Billy Grahm is only writing this to protect his job - if that's the case than Ian's a horrible employer who makes for an unfit working environment.
"You can't take Ian's side as being 100% factual, you certainly can't get it from Mickie, and you most definitely will not get such an account out of Levy". Why MOST DEFINATELY will you not get it from Levy? Thats showing your bias to IWAs innocence. That's what I meant by your opinion, is the fact you believe some stories can be more bias than the others. Like I've said before, perhaps I shudnt feel as bad for Levy but NOONE knows the whole truth and it was just an unprofessional incident.
you wont get it from levy becuz like they've been saying its a chance that levy wanted that to happen if he did plan this, then you cant expect him to be truthful on it. if he didn't plan it, you STILL can trust wht he might say becuz he'd still want a job there, and wont get one by snitching. lol
I'm not saying you could trust Levys story I'm simply saying all three of Ian, Mickie and Levys stories would as bias as eachothers stories thats all.
No, it really isn't. See Arman, this is why you're a nigger and I am a human being with cognitive thought and a logical forming brain.
If we can't take Rotten and Mickie's accounts as being 100% factual, seeing as they were involved and will likely try to make themselves sound like they were always in the right, then Levy will also do the same. He has as much to gain from painting himself as being the victim of a wrong doing just like the other two.
See here you again, completely changing the frigging argument. Not sure if you're getting me confused with the other ppl you probably pick fites with online but uhhh I NEVER SAID I'd take Levys story over Mickie and Ians, thatd just be retarded. ONCE AGAIN you change the argument to make it seem like ur right even tho I never said that and ONCE AGAIN i will tell you and anyone else who thinks they know what happened, IT WAS IRRESPONSIBLE AND NOONE WILL EVER KNOW THE COMPLETE TRUTH BUT IWA/LEVY
"Why MOST DEFINATELY will you not get it from Levy? Thats showing your bias to IWAs innocence."
Actually, it's you trying to turn the argument. You asked a stupid question, and attempt to paint me as having a bias for IWA:MS in this scenario thanks to my words. But once I point out how wrong you are, you try to squirm out, again, to get out of harm's way. In no way, shape or form did I even hint at you having a bias towards Levy's statement, you made that up yourself. Good job, no one suspects.
Arman, I understand your tiny chimp like mind can't handle all of this. After all, it's such a daunting task to try and understand that letters combine with letters to form words, those words combine with other words to form sentences, and those sentences combine further with other sentences to create paragraphs, and that all of them are utilized to express ideas.
ecw u the man fuk mike levy he got fuck upp that fag deseverd it ecw fuck them hatters wut a prick that guy he should got more he was a bitch great vid faget couldnt wrestle
Okay, I'm downloading the show, I'll have up the very footage some of you are unaware of, and an explanation of why Mike Levy is NOT a fucking victim.
Jim I think you should really get your own opinion. From my days on skype (no one has a different opinion, a reason why I don't go on anymore) and watching videos, I have never seen you disagree with Moral or Slayer once. They are probably the smartest "shooters" here on youtube, but get your own opinion.
Brad, seriously, Jim has posted videos that disagree with Slayer before. I believe those videos are still up.
But other then that, you're right - but Jim getting an opinion of his own? You're asking for a miracle - and we both know I'm not too high on the ideal of a God that interjects into our daily lives. :P
Excellent point by Brad. Its like everyone on their or atleast the "regulars" have one opinion and if anyone disagrees their wrong its hilarious, thats basically why I dont get on Skype much at all. I'm an individual not a puppet like some ppl on here.
Not everyone at all, but a WHOLE lot of Skypers. I thought I was maybe the only one but seems ppl like Brad realize it too and therefore we avoid Skype. Its like a bunch of puppets. I wouldn't consider you one, BUT that was a perfect example. Jim showed me that same link and all I said was THATS one point of view and the fact I wont go with the story he presented to me and simply said NONE OF US KNOW the whole truth he says i "talk out my ass" haha thats funny as fuck.
I go on skype to have fun and to talk wrestling! with people I normally dont talk to
there are different people here from all over the country with the same opinions or different opinions thats the beauty of skype like youtube to talk about it and debate on certain issues
You talking about me Brandon and the comment I made about skype ppl having 1 opinion? If so again I didnt want to drop names but you're def not one of the puppets. I know how much sht you get and I respect the heck outta you and most the time w have some of the same views. So if you're saying thats bull shit about that comment of mine, then dont worry I wasnt speaking on you. If I was speaking on you I would say so.
Bullshit. Either we're all having one great big circle jerk, or you admit that the individuals on Skype are just that - individuals that through discussion can, or cannot, come to the same conclusion. Which is it. You can't have it both ways, you double talking festering cum bubble.
No no no you got it wrong again you fuckin hippie depressed TWAT. I just dont decide to call out names cause I have a life and am not here for fame like some of you. I'm talking of some of the people I've dealt with. I never go on skype so I probably dont even talk to 1/5 of the people from YouTube who are on Skype. But I am speaking of you and thats all you gotta know, so go keep being depressed and get off my fn nuts I know you wish you were me but you cant be MOOOOVE ON!
Whatever you say, scumbag. Seriously, you sit there accusing us all as being one thing, and when someone from the group comes up and tells you you're wrong, and you don't want to insult them because they're universally liked, like Classic is, you bow and contradict yourself.
Shit, you're a living contradiction considering you were technically aborted, as your mother fished her out of her cunt with that rusty wire hanger. How you survived is still a mystery.
From the group? Haha whose in this group now that you're coming out and admitting you guys share the same views? Its like your group disgaree for a second then kiss and make up and agree upon one thing that should be universally accepted by everyone else. Sorry thats not how it works :o)! I didnt contradict shit I told Brandon I wasnt talking about him, and told you that I was talking about you. Don't bring other ppl into this esp Brandon who avoids drama like most of us and is here for fun.
Calvin and I have had our disagreements. Brandon and everyone else have had theirs. They still accept our calls, they still accept our friendship, and they still accept our differing views to their own, much like we accept their views. Some of us can be very belligerent and stubborn, but at the end of the day we're learning from each other, and growing. Still think this is a circle jerk session considering that's two high profile characters that you're currently trying to suck up to?
Me sucking up to them?! HAAA you're the one speaking of these people as if their involved with your immature arguing ways and as if they have taken your side on this. They have lives they dont care about this shit. I wasnt sucking up but rather telling them I wasnt speaking of them. Calvin, I dont think I've ever seen a vid of his or spoken to him so I cant be speaking of him and Brandon, actually forms his own opinions and isnt throwing around the n word and making sht personal.
I guess in order to break down anything to you it would have to require a lot of crayons, paper, a faggoty purple dinosaur dancing out his jitters from his coked up body, a bright, blue bouncing ball that hops over a scrolling text, with the simple instructions of, "follow the bouncing ball."
Until then, it's like trying to educate a baboon on the etiquette of washing its hands after properly using the toilet. The best I can hope for is that you don't get any shit on me in the training process.
There you go changing subjects cause you realize there may just be one person in the IWC who doesnt think you're one of the best on here AT ALL and becaue he respects others over you. Ayo cuz, dont get mad cause Barney came to my bday and not yours aight? Thats just pure hatorade. SMELL ME?
I have to take exception to that. There is a wide range of view that are expressed and much of the fun is discussing your point and hearing an alternative view.
I didnt mean everyone sry if thats how it came off. I havent been on Skype much so maybe i donno who the "Regulars" are but I aint hear to drop names. If I wanted to drop names I wouldve already had a huge exchange of words through vids with one of the "most respected" and been so much more "popular" on here as Ive mentioned before but I'm not here for that. I was simply talking about most the guys Ive chatted with. Gilbert you're not one and I dont think Ive chatted with you ever Calvin.
Nope Jarrod I'm just clearing up with people I misled and letting them know that I'm not speaking of them. A spineless person would say hes not talking about anybody and for the 5th time maybe now I WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU, not Brandon or Calvin who have questioned me. People actually come on here for fun and form their own opinion and civilly debate issues. Where as you, have noone who accepts you on society so you come here form a universal opinion with a cpl buddies and make sht personal
When speaking in a general tone, you include everyone. Chimp, if you didn't want to include everyone, why use a general tone?
Chimp, the way it looks, you're sucking up to them for including them into a group you don't think they represent, when the reality is they're a part of the group you're trying to condemn as being some evil entity. You don't know what we are, but you have labels ready for us, all because you can't handle me. Surprise, surprise.
I'm not surprised that this fat disgusting nerd looks like this. This hardcore IWA shit is NOT wrestling. For fucks sake, that Mickie Knuckles butch freak has NO athletic ability. She's just a fat cunt. It sickens me how you think attempted murder is justified. Its sickening how you defend a "company" with a tiny crowd in a parking lot. That Levy guy was wrong, but he didn't deserve to be almost killed. You're a fuckin waste of sperm you fat disgusting PIG. Get a fuckin life. Loser.
HankJennings 2 months ago
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NotYourAverageJoe321 2 months ago
What a dumb cunt you are.
BeingASmartMarkSucks 9 months ago
I thumbed down this before he even started talked.
twiztidlestat 11 months ago
I just wanna say, YOU ARE A MORON....
he stiffed her (which he probably barely did), she stiffed him. THAT IS FAIR.
But the Levy takes a complete beating... WTF.
your asking why people have sympathy for Levy?
Why do YOU have so much sympathy for knuckles?
TheNastyShitler 11 months ago
Sorry about all the posts-only have so much space: Saying that this kid wasnt hurt that bad is ridiculous as well. Have you ever been hit in the head with a shoot chair shot before? Have you had your head shoot stomped into a barbed wire ladder? I mean, this was a vicious beating. It was unprofessional. This guy was trying to leave based solely on instinct at that point. After all that shit they were doing-he just had to get out of there for his own survival. I dont approve of IWA in this.No way
ScottyFraytown 1 year ago
Adding to my first post: Rotten re-booking Levy is him protecting his ass from what should be a lawsuit for a shoot beating that shouldnt have taken place. This wasn't Rotten "giving this kid an opportunity." This was Rotten trying to make an example of a yarder in his YARD BASED FEDERATION-which makes no sense to me.
ScottyFraytown 1 year ago
First of all, I agree that Mike Levy had no business in the ring. Second of all, I understand that this isnt the first beat down in pro wrestling history. However, I have one question: What video were you watching? Mickie Knuckles punched Levy in the face as hard as she could within the first minute of the match! As a wrestler myself, I was taught that if you get potatoed, you hit em back. Therefore, Levy did the right thing hitting her back. Rotten shouldnt have booked him.
ScottyFraytown 1 year ago
why must u guys call levy a kid he is 28 i would know and levy had know idea any of tht at the end was coming oir he wouldve faught back but all this is crap we had pondo come down for milestone wrestlings november rain so obviously pondo and him is okay
keever100 1 year ago
Get to the fuckin point!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5teviewonders 1 year ago
Most of you commenting, weren't there, and only know half the story
scar7stitches 1 year ago
i agree with you 100% dude...mike levy got everything he deserved....well not quite everything...he deserved to get it worse...and his time is comin so yea
ocwunderground 1 year ago
I am shocked that you would say Mickie "worked" with him because i've watched hours and hours of IWA and in all seen maybe 3 minutes of work. IWA was a haven for non-workers- guys (like Ian) who couldn't draw a dime or get over anywhere without using light tubes and barbed wire and shit like that because they're not talented enough to do anything else. It was unprofessional for Ian to book him and unprofessional to beat him down like that while breaking kayfabe no less. You fuckin' dummy.
TheToughBrets 1 year ago 2
The fact that Mike Levy was an obnoxious,overweight,overconfident piece of shit,does not fucking give ANYONE the right,to FUCKING CURBSTOMP 300 lbs on the back of his fucking skull into a steel ladder,wrapped in barbedwire,TWICE!
Ozzmaster75 2 years ago
Okay, Skippy. Number 1. You must be one of seven fans of this low rate, scumbag promotion called IWA MS. Number 2. Ian Rotten breaking kayfabe to publicly humiliate and assault this kid was the biggest insult to the professional wrestling world and it's a shame that Ian Rotten and his group of inbreeds could even get away with calling themselves professional wrestlers. What he did wasn't new or "cutting edge". It was lame. He basically demoted himself to a smark with this incident.
caseface666 2 years ago
Lolz he speeds up his videos to seem almost less boring.. . almost worked:-(
blogtvpunk 2 years ago
@blogtvpunk LOL, you're right
kirkfnw 2 years ago
Mickie stiffed Mike Levy mere seconds into the match. She hit HIM with a headbutt, which is why she had a knot on her head, IWA is fucking stupid and this just reflects poorly on the wrestling industry.
TheBlaze490 2 years ago
I was there, watching with Sabu...even Sabu was begging for it to stop. It was real. Mickie stiffed Mike...Mike fought back...and Ian and Co. jumped him. You're a mark kid. I fuckin' wrestled for Ian for years...I know him in and out...you are just like "BIG FAN"...the movie coming out about an ingorantly obsessed football fan who takes up for a player after the player beats his ass. I'm writing a book...the truth is in the book. You're fuckin' stupid. Ian cuts his face. Fuck IWA.
D13HARD 2 years ago
I support the Mike Levy beating the kid deserved it Fuck him he wasnt selling so you got to make him sell I repeat Fuck him
mszmagalski07 2 years ago
Then you must not know shit about it, you fucking idiot.
TheBlaze490 2 years ago
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samtooth 2 years ago
Look at this out of wrestling, buddy. Work, shoot, stiff, shit doesn't matter in the real world when you're actually trying to cause harm on somebody, what if Levy was killed? None of your reasons would hold up in a court of law.
calebtizzy 2 years ago
I dont think he gets it. Working for the IWA is totally like paying your dues. Its not like they paid the guy a million dollars to be there. lol he probably got gas money if he was lucky.
mrpogo72 2 years ago
Listen you stupid fucking idiot. This has nothing to do with pro wrestling or IWA, this is to do with multiple people beating someone (granted Mike Levy is a fucking diot) to the point of him trying desperately to escape from the ring. YOU BELIEVE THEY WERE IN THE RIGHT????
dayday8421 2 years ago
...I once watched someone do something similar to that curb stomp WITHOUT a ladder and he's now in jail for attempted murder. Get back in the human race you piece of scum. I will never be supporting IWA again. My money's going elsewhere. Call yourself a human? FUCK YOU!
dayday8421 2 years ago 2
completely agree. How out of touch with reality must you be to take the side of the people inflicting a beating on this guy? How is it justified to administer a beating to anyone, let alone after a wresting match? If you truly believe Rotten and his group were justified in doing this, here's a few future careers for you to consider: klansmen, hitler youth work programs, professor of hate crimes, or serial rapist. Keep up talk like this and you're on your way :)
Jtabeek1 2 years ago 2
patton oswalt watches iwa?
razorafterdeath 2 years ago
yea cuz mickie knuckles sells rite?
instantclassicg1 2 years ago 3
You say IWA did nothing wrong. They were in the right.
Then you say that Ian's son should NOT have been involved.
Did you ever think that maybe both were at fault? Mike & IWA (Ian)
I am a huge IWA fan & I always will be. I will still watch & spend money on IWA. This did not change my fellings on IWA at all. It got them a lot of heat & a lot of people talking.
brownmlbrown420 2 years ago
yea in a bad way. I dont see or have heard anyone that wasnt a fucking retard say that was awesome.
mrpogo72 2 years ago
Hey is you father Porky Pig? Why so squintie? Open your eyes & start shutting your mouth. That is the recipe for not being a cartoonie Twinkie.
adrockisdead 3 years ago 2
Mike Levy you are short lived sensation. Make yourself a forever name & kill or die during a match. Movies, articles, tv time, & countless conversations. Be a Forever Legend!!!!!
adrockisdead 3 years ago
Mickie gave the not to herself. Your a idiot. They explained a match to me and didn't do any thing that was plained. Plus she told me to work stiff. She didn't try and take a easy on me. She lied and we had a match plained and the first thing she did was hit me in the head with a light tube. I was givin a chance at all. Plus a lot of the workers don't talk good about Ian. Man you are a fucking idiot.
p.s. watch me on the carnage cup 4 dvd.
misfitmikelevy 3 years ago 3
Are you kidding me, what a joke, this is not hardcore wrestling, this is guys that cant hold a job at Wendys. And for this little man making the video, listen to yourself, throw a few more "aints", and broken English in your videos just in case the average fan doesnt know your a mark for wrestling. Let me tell ya about John williams, a.k.a. Ian Rotten, he wasnt even good enough to be a partner whose best wrestling move is using a fork. Get a clue.
armytrev 3 years ago 2
i do think tha the beatdown was excessive, but yeah i'm not gonna stop supporting iwa because of it..
goat666db 3 years ago
basically numbnuts learn how to work!!! taters happen u fuckin moron so until u learn anything SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cauldron666 3 years ago
THANK YOU
BIGDADDYJ1984 3 years ago
*sigh*
MORON.
It doesn't MATTER if he fucked up a spot and stiffed her a few times. Doesn't matter. They still stomped the shit out of the guy, they still humiliated him. They still screamed at him and kicked him repeatedly in the face and what for? Fucking up their golden girl and not "knowing how to sell."
Idiots like you on the internet give wrestling fans a bad name. If it was any other job than wrestling, the idea of "not paying your dues." resulting in a kick to the head...Fuck.
AlexKincaid 3 years ago 4
To the maker of this video and everyone plz don't ever compare IWA to ECW. ECW had class and good wrestlers unlike this piece of shit company.
AGT138 3 years ago 2
My opinion on the incident. Everyone was wrong, Levy, rotten, Moore, Knucles. Levy shouldn't have been working with a piece of shit like Rotten, Levy did agree to take part of something so shitty like the IWA. Knuckles was aggressive from the beginning. Mickey stiffed him first and you could see confusion in his eyes. hillbilly inbreed piece of shit company. Rotten is simply a pussy in my eyes. Jumped a guy with no experience and took it too far. Easy to inflict pain when someone is defenless.
AGT138 3 years ago
I attended the TPI Q&A on Saturday and a guy asked about the Mike Levy incident and Ian's response was...
The Mike Levy incident was SCRIPTED! At the TPI Q&A a guy asked about the Levy incident and Ian said... It was scripted. Ian told him that he'd get a shot in the tourney because two of the women couldn't make the show. So he told him he was going to just get his a** kicked the entire match. And Levy agreed.
Kuratras 3 years ago
Ian whispered in Mickie's ear before the match started to protect herself from a guy with minimal training. Since Levy IS trained (obviously not very well). Mickie did NOT cause the welt on her head. Because she's thrown SEVERAL unprotected headbutts and never got a welt that big. It's from a guy who throws a headbutt between the eyes. Ian then said he had no idea about Tank and Devon coming to the ring.
Kuratras 3 years ago
an whispered in Mickie's ear before the match started to protect herself from a guy with minimal training. Since Levy IS trained (obviously not very well). Mickie did NOT cause the welt on her head. Because she's thrown SEVERAL unprotected headbutts and never got a welt that big. It's from a guy who throws a headbutt between the eyes. Ian then said he had no idea about Tank and Devon coming to the ring.
Kuratras 3 years ago
. He said was sitting back watching the match then Tank went up to Ian and said I should go stomp that f*ckers head in and Ian just shrugged. Ian then said Levy thanked him for the opprotunity and went to his hotel room took a shower and CAME back for the night show.
Kuratras 3 years ago
Pick your nose if it is itchy
mysteriowc 3 years ago
BAM! I agree with this dude! Rock on EcwHardCore07
hackmyers 3 years ago
Agree that this was not as "bad" as the MTI because:
1. Levy obviously had SOME wrestling knowledge.
2. had plenty of time to pull out rather than just being there on the night.
3. is of legal age.
4. did not have New Jack in the ring
On the other hand, it does look to me like an attempt to work a MTI which is pretty sick, but if that's your bag fair enough. As far as Im concerned consenting adults can do what the f*ck they like to each other and deal with the consequences
tigerboy1966 3 years ago
Two poor workers booked in a fifth rate promotionm,followed by a misguided display of machismo. The match was a mess with Knuckles as responsible for the 'stiffing' as Levy. What folows is unjusifiable and should have resulted in criminal charges. It's a show and it seems everyone forgot that..
MrPid73 3 years ago
just because he can get booked in iwa-ds doesnt mean the iwa isnt a bunch of fucking retards.
Some one should explain to me the appeal of mickie knuckles. I just dont get it and |I wasnt that impressed with any of her work in the show.
Remember any dumb fuck can fall into barb wire. That doesnt make you a worker.
mrpogo72 3 years ago 2
man u waz touchin yo nose a lote man u on that shit
DarioD9 3 years ago
ugly ass people
DarioD9 3 years ago 5
the kid devered it the kid talked trash on the internet and he chould not back him up
abyss1234567890 3 years ago 4
i wish someone kick you in your ugly head
vampiro1541 3 years ago 5
Dude you have to lay off from snorting that Meth, thats why your nose is bothering you. Mickie stiffed Levy first, also the announcer didnt finish introducing Mickie before she attacked him. He stiffed her back after she stiffed him with the knee, you should watch the match before you comment and make a video about it. This isnt a common thing, in our Federation, if you dont work properly, you never work with us again.
Chalino696 3 years ago 2
Mickie Knuckles got the goose egg on her head from headbutting Levy you ugly retard
geejus 3 years ago 9
100% Right
nirvanafanEHW 3 years ago
the people bashing you are so stupid. they act like he got so seriously hurt. and then there's the fact that he's participant in iwa-ds carnage cup this year...poor mike levy. these people are idiots. if you watch the match, when she tries to take it easy on him, he starts stiffing her. he wasn't selling at all, and if you watch the peter b beautiful match, he took 3 very brutal chairshots to the head. if you bitches who feel sorry for levy don't like the violence, watch wwe. fucking fags
masturnate42 3 years ago
i wish they would do the same thing to you..oh and nice hair fag
vampiro1541 3 years ago
Hope you will get fucked up like that Levy guy.
Bauernassi 3 years ago
Stop touching your face you annoying fucker. You've also got it completely wrong.
RoseWestxxx 3 years ago
levy is a complete fool. as is rotten 4 booking him, wtf did he expect. the guy cant wrestle so y did they allow him 2 wrestle in the qotdm? i know u said he wanted to be in it, but the fact is so what he wanted to be in it, if i said i wanted to be in it would he book me to be in the qotdm? i don't think so. the guy doesn't deserve any sympathy but iwa don't deserve any support for their actions. if they were so worried about mickie knuckles y put her in a match with an untrained fool.
nothingtoregret 3 years ago 2
who cares because if no ones been arrested by now they wont be.
mrpogo72 3 years ago
this guys even more of an idiot than dinosauravenger.
please sell your webcam back to best buy and diconnect your internet. we will all be thankfull.
mrpogo72 3 years ago
atta way to remove my vid, you fucking coward...
amo77 3 years ago
your video probably gave him a brain aneurysm due to its lack of logical points and general ignorance especially when it came to you resorting to name calling the promoter of IWA MS a big fat disgusting fat sloppy promoter pig...just stick with your eagles and mets vids and cuz you MIGHT know a thing or two about it unlike with IWA MS
astone08 3 years ago
I also read on CZWfans that a guy named Big Joe or something like that recremonded a company to book Levy saying he was worth the hype he basically begged for a company to book Levy.
So don't blame Ian or IWA for doing this shit blame Big Joe. Ian was just listening to a fan who recremonded someone.
Kuratras 3 years ago
I agree 100% with you. Danny Havoc wasn't bitching and probably got more hurt after the Michinoku Driver off a scaffold through a light tube table.
Besides if the "beat down" was as bad as everybody says it is then why the hell could you see Levy clearly in the crowd enjoying himself and having a good time? Mickie is like a daughter to Ian so what would you people do if an untrained piece of shit caused your daughter to have a HUGE welt on her head? You'd prolly beat the shit out of him.
Kuratras 3 years ago
Now I'm going to ask everyone who doesn't want to support IWA:MS anymore a question: If Levy was getting beat down...Why didn't he call for help or ever make a genuine attempt to run away or fight back?...Was he to beat down to ask for help? No because Levy was fine backstage just moments after the reported "BEAT DOWN." Some people now are pawns in Levy's game...it's a sad reality to witness...
mmawrestlefan 3 years ago
lol what sad bastard even watches iwa mid south anyway its fucking trash its basically glorified backyard wrestling,that draws about 22 losers to it's show,just a sad case of how much pro wrestling sucks balls
worstwrestlingever 3 years ago
ok don't stereotype IWA-MS look at the TPI and the Chris Candido cup. Most of the time they put on straight up wrestling with guys like Chris Hero, Josh Abercrombie, Claudio Castagnoli and tons more so please get your facts straight before you say something else that stupid. You might be upset about the Levy thing but don't stereotype you make yourself look dumb.
nightmareballa1 3 years ago
im not upset i found something humorous in it it made me laugh seeing as something so cheap and pathetic made morons believe that it wasnt an angle,what is straightup wrestling doing cool innovative moves that nobody has ever seen just to make the crowd go wow for a second none of these guys no how to tell a story
worstwrestlingever 3 years ago
its clear to me from your ignorant posting that you do not watch iwa ms at all...you contribute nothing but verbal diarrhea to this discussion...instead you state stupid claims about iwa ms being just a bunch of backyard wrestling which nightmareballa1 has called BS on...and now you say their wrestler's can't tell a story??? where do you come up with this nonsense
astone08 3 years ago
im sorry i dont wank over a bunch of skinny spot monkeys like you
worstwrestlingever 3 years ago
wow u really weren't worth my time, just another troll
astone08 3 years ago
what you got against trolls nigga!? lol j/k
diddyman4real 3 years ago
you go girl
worstwrestlingever 3 years ago
lol mbwrestler wants to be a wrestler i hope he ends up in a situation like this just let that fat bastard get the shit beating out of him
worstwrestlingever 3 years ago
i dont feel too bad for mike levy but i thought when he stiffed mickie those couple times, what he got was a little extreme. mike levy didn't really hurt knuckles at all with the shots he gave her. she gave herself that bumb on her head from freakin headbutting levy. i just think the beating was a little too brutal in my opinion. good vid
monster1555 3 years ago
Mass Transit i think not. Anyone who says this is worse than Mass Transit is a fucking cumstain on life. Mass Transit was a guy who lied about his age in order to work a match (which such get no sympathy)and made the mistake of letting New Jack blade him. Levy on the other had was brought in by IWA-MS to work a match and he stiffed Knuckles for no reason and no sold to hurt the match and got a beating not nearly as bad as he should of got. The real victim hear is Ian Rotten for being the bad guy
dadirrtywhyteboi 3 years ago
Ian Rotten should have never booked Levy. Simple as that. What did he expect to happen? He put a moron in Levy in with his top star... that is fucking stupid. That is my main issue... Ian put himself into a stupid position in the first place, and then beat down Levy, 3-1, for 5 minutes because of his own stupid booking decision. I have little symplathy for Levy... but everyone here was in the wrong.
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago
Why the fuck would he not book Levy? The guy was trained - by whom is debatable considering he's clearly shit at his craft. The fans wanted to see him. Where in there screams out that Levy should never have been booked?
moralvirus 3 years ago
Why not book him?
"he's clearly shit at his craft"
"The fans wanted to see him."
Yeah, because Mike Levy is buyz.
If the fans wanted to see him, why not put him in the ring with someone not as important as Mickie, someone he wouldn't be as likely to "go into buisness for himself" with. Then when thier stupid booking bites them in the arse, they beat him down, 4 on 1, including a 12 year old. Yeah, I remember back in the territory dayz when 12 year olds would throw light bulbs.
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago
I don't know where your getting this light bulb part from when Ian's kid was using a kendo stick or something like that.. Also, none of the fans were involved in the incident either.
Kuratras 3 years ago
Ian's kid threw the lightbulb into Levy's head... They waz showin' him how to work apprently.
And I guess that fan, Big Joe held a gun up to Ian's head and demanded he book Levy... and Ian did so, fearing for his life and if he didn't, people would never go to the event. While he was at it, he never had a look to actually see if the moron could actually work... gimmie a break.
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago
Well apparently you don't follow IWA MS too closely since whenever a fan requests somebody for him to bring in, Ian usually gives him a shot. Like me ore example I requested Necro Butcher vs. Danny Havoc at the 500th Show, what happens couple days later the match is announced to happen. Ace Steel was requested for TPI what happens, he gets booked. Ian listens to the fans and normally gives them what they want, if the request isn't too ridiculous.
Kuratras 3 years ago
Actually, I do/did follow IWA: MS. See my channel. I've reviewed many of thier shows, givin favorable reviews many a time.
What is the difference between Necro, Havoc, Steel and Levy? Well, for 1, they have experience and 2, they have some name value outside of being a novelty. Just because the fans want to see it, doesn't mean it should be booked. I'm sure some people wanted to see Pacman in TNA... that doesn't mean it should have happened.
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago
I know you review their DVDs and if you haven't noticed I am subscribed to you. But to stop watching IWA MS for this beat down is just ridiculous to be quite honest. This is NOT the first beat down like this in IWA MS, if you have any knowledge on their history Peter B. Beautiful got a beat down from ian that happened a loooong time ago and yet I don't see anyone bitching and moaning about that.
Kuratras 3 years ago
I was aware of the Peter B Beautful incident. That is one of the reasons many internet fans look down on IWA-MS, yet, in the past, I have defended them, I have supported them, but when they do bullshit like this, shit I find retarded from ALL parties involved, it makes me look like a dick for supporting them. The reason I am not watching is because of the stupidity and absurdity of this whole incident that should have never happened. Just because it happened before doesn't make it okay.
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago
I admit that there was a different way to handle the situation but Ian was nice enough to give the guy a shot to make a name for himself, but apparently he wasn't humble enough to be professional about it.
Even if he is not a trained professional he should know how to sell and not to stiff anyone. Mickie was clearly taking it easy on him, once he stiffed her with a head but Mickie stiffed him back and told him to take it easy, what happens he continues to stiff her so Mickie snaps on him.
Kuratras 3 years ago
So Ian is the nice guy here? While I admit Levy was in the wrong, I never said he was a victim. He is a moron who obviously didn't know better. But Mickie threw the first hit, and it was pretty stiff. There were 51 headbuts throw in that match, Mickie even mounted him and was headbutting him.
The situation should have never happened at all. Period.
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago
i think kuratras is trying to say that for some reason you didn't stop watching IWA MS after this Peter B Beautiful incident which was probably a whole lot worse than Levy (honestly, Levy's beating did NOT look as horrible as ppl are making it out to be), but now you are claiming to not watch IWA MS because of this...its a bit hypocritical dinosauravenger1989 to excuse one beating but not Levy's
the worse thing about this is that Levy will get over for this incident and get future bookings
astone08 3 years ago
I wasn't watching when the Peter B Beautiful incident happened. I became aware of it afterwards.
When did I excuse the Peter B Beautiful incident? I thought, maybe, that kind of shit was in the past... but to make the mistake second time, plain fucking stupid. The thing is, the beating is not the problem for me, while I thought it was pointless, stupid and disgusting; the problem is that this was completely avoidable.
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago
true you did not state it, but if it was SUCH A BIG DEAL, than wouldn't that have turned you off of IWA MS...my point being is that this incident should not turn a "loyal" IWA MS fan off from their entire product...imo its ridiculous for a fan to make an ultimatum like this with any company that you feel made a questionable decision
I am happy to say that I will continue to enjoy other IWA MS shows in the future
astone08 3 years ago
As I said; This is the second, and some people say third time they have made a questionable decision like this. Maybe I just have some taste and that is why I am so turned off by it. I should point out, that if they had just admitted they made a mistake in booking him in the damn first place, I may not have as much of a problem as I do with them, but they came out and acted like victims. The only victims they were of was thier own stupid booking.
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago
so due to what you think is a bad booking decision, you will not EVER AGAIN watch IWA MS...that's like someone saying they won't watch WWE again because Vince screwed Bret
astone08 3 years ago
No, it's due to repeating a bad booking decision, bringing a company I stood and wrestling, something I stand by into disrepute.
Now, I never said I will never watch IWA-MS ever again. I did say I am not going to watch it again, but I may watch again in the future. But right now, I am not paying $20 to watch. I not going to do it for TNA, I'm not doing it for IWA-MS.
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago
Kofi Kingston is still young in this industry - he's clearly poor at his craft, just shades above Mike Levy as far as I'm concerned, but far more professional, obviously. The fans have grown to appreciate him, but he's not massive buys like a Hogan, Rock, Austin or even a Cena, but if the fans want to see him are you going to deny them that and miss out on extra revenue?
Mike Levy may not have the ability to draw 100 people, but whatever he could draw, IWA:MS was willing to bank off of.
moralvirus 3 years ago
What extra revenue outside of Mike Levy's extended family and a handful of people from the interwebs?
IWA-MS's willingness to bank off of that was still stupid. A stupid decision, is a stupid decision nomatter where the idea comes from. In his first match put against one of IWA's biggest draws, when they knew how talented(or untalented) he was. Explain to me please, how is having a 3 on 1 attack, even including a promoters son getting involved and then shouting him down "OUTSIDER" pro?
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago
Your hindsight is starting to kick in. What you're forgetting is the business aspect of this, GOING INTO THE EVENT. If Levy could only pull in 5 new people to the shows, why wouldn't IWA:MS bring him in? That's 5 new people adding to their revenue that they didn't have before. After all, this is the same company that had financial issues prior. Your argument now is "what we know now" versus "what we knew then", so obviously we'd say it's a dumb decision now. It's a daft argument.
moralvirus 3 years ago 2
I'd still say it was a dumb decision then. If I had known before hand they were booking a guy who made his "name" on the internet, who obviously can't work, and then proceed to book him against one of your biggest draws, and not in a standard match, but a deathmatch! It was a dumb decision which turned out even worse(or better) then people could have thought. Is getting in 5 fans more important then protecting your top draw from someone who could have injured her worse then he did? No.
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago
IWA were dumb for booking him.Levy was dumb for what he did.But I do have a bit of sympathy for Levy,because what he did didnt warrant the beatdown that brutal.Yeah he wasnt badly injured but hes lucky for that.
cenaslayer 3 years ago
This is what I don't get - how is it the fault of IWA:MS (not IWA, that's a bigger promotional banner much like the NWA) for booking the guy? They went through the motions like they would for any other wrestler they could afford to bring in that their fans wanted to see. He's professionally trained, the fans wanted to see him, and therefore it was made to happen. At what point was this company irresponsible for bringing him in?
moralvirus 3 years ago
that depeds on who trained him tho, being pro-trained doesn't mean you can take ANYTHING thrown at you. plus if he wasn't FULLY trained, it even worst cuz hes going in haf cocked. he only knows the basics, which if you go against a more experienced westler, hurts more then helps.
levy got recogniton at the price of possibly being maimed. his plan, if he had one, could have easily backfired. and he might not of been so lucky. what if ian or the other had of landed with more force...
diddyman4real 3 years ago
what if he drove his THROAT ito the ladder, which almost did happen on the last stomp. did he have training, maybe, but did that mean he was ready for that assault, no. it just means that he was trained good enough to do a normal match, not a match where even veterans can get fucked up. i think he wanted to try and outshine knuckles, not understanding that she was the main focus, not him. she had the experience....
diddyman4real 3 years ago
not him. the receipt he got was more then what he deserved, but he still did get off lucky, now next time, he'll know better. Ian knew he wasn't ready for that kind of assault. he knew he couldn't handle it and booked him anyway. wrestling training and deathmatch traning aren't the same thing. he booked a naive, idiot of a fool, the fool tried to make himself look good, at her expense and paid for it. if he does gain exposure from this, i doubt its cuz he planned it, but if so, whatever. lol
diddyman4real 3 years ago
I havent seen any evidence so far of Levy being trained.That may be the case but all Ive seen from him outside of IWAMS is backyard level crap.Ive never heard the demand from fans that he be booked either,apart from fans on message boards praising him as a joke.And if IWA didnt want someone to get stiffed,they shouldnt book some un/poorly trained idiot who obviously knew little about working a proper match.
cenaslayer 3 years ago 2
i was marking out during the post match...it was so incredible...it didn't come off of anything really sick or twisted...i think EVERYONE wanted to see Levy get owned...i was quite surprised that people felt so sorry for Levy when really Levy got what was coming to him.
astone08 3 years ago
IWA-MS got hurt in one way and that is the bowling area they worked the QOTDM tourny will no longer hold shows due to Zoning laws.
dadirrtywhyteboi 3 years ago
The whole Mike Levy incident was a first hand look at what goes on behind the scenes in the wrestling business. Levy purposly no sold in a attempt to make Mickie look bad. They only thing since i have voiced my opinion on this on Armans vid is that Ian Rotten said that you couldnt comment on the incident unless you had worked a match since IWA-MS needs fan support to keep the company alive and Ian was in a way distinsing himself from the fans
dadirrtywhyteboi 3 years ago
Billy Gram is a idiot. He contradicted himself in his shoot. To clue you in, it isn't 1970 anymore... This type of thing hasn't happened in years in any promotion of any merit.
Facts are facts, Ian knew he couldn't work, hence why he booked him in QOTDM, and then got upset and curb stomped this guys head into a ladder after the match was done. It was bad booking, and last I checked, you streched someone to make 'em pay dues, not get 3 workers to beat a guy down for 5 minutes.
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago 2
Levy may have gone into buisness for himself, and even then, it's debateable, and many people feel Mickie stiffed him first and this was pre-planned by Ian and his lot. I guess Levy worked IWA-ms... I guess he is on the level of Pillman.
Yes, I even said Levy was a idiot, but how does him being a bad worked warrent a 3 on 1 beatdown. That is called being bad human beings.
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago 2
Also, the bullshit about him getting off light...
Yeah, he didn't go to hospital: but he took 2 curb stomps into a ladder the move is dangerous enough as it is, a few un protected chair shots, etc. He never should have been booked at all, especially not with your top star who has TV, that is plain stupid booking and shooting yourself in the foot.
And I can't remember when in the territory days it took 3 or 4 people, all larger then a worker to beat down and humiliate and guy for 5 minutes.
dinosauravenger1989 3 years ago 2
Perfect example here of skypers just hopping on each others bandwagon. Gilbert thats one guy who works for IWA. Unless he wants to lose income and perhaps a friendship (not sure if him and Ian are close outside of the wrestling world0 hes gonna put out what Ian wants to hear. Hear the story out of Levys parents or someone close to Levy and lets see what you'd think.
Arman10701 3 years ago
Billy Grahm is the closest thing to an unbiased account of the situation as we're ever going to get. You can't take Ian's side as being 100% factual, you certainly can't get it from Mickie, and you most definitely will not get such an account out of Levy. They all have something to gain, so can alter facts to try and present themselves into a better light. All we can do with Grahm's accounts is speculate that he could lose his job, or friendship, by telling the truth.
moralvirus 3 years ago
YOUR opinion.
Arman10701 3 years ago
What, you think you're going to get an unbiased telling of the story from Levy or any of his family members?
Is anyone here going to actually take Ian's accounts as being fair and balanced? How about Mickie's?
If not these people, then who's account? Everyone involved is tainted in some manner. So how can Billy Grahm not be considered the least biased of the all the accounts we're going to see?
moralvirus 3 years ago
because billy grahm is a no talent Jarod. If you read what he has to say it's absolutly ridicioulous. "Tank has a way of making things look better" bull fucking shit!
bradmaster13 3 years ago
So I take it you were there backstage after the incident like Billy Grahm was? I don't think so. So none of us have any clue on whose telling the truth. Honestly if everyone wants to PMS over this situation go on ahead it's your loss missing out on some great wrestling.
This incident has been getting too much attention and is over with so hopefully everyone can get over this. Christ happened two months ago.
Kuratras 3 years ago
Brad, now I'm going to treat you like a moron:
IF we can't accept his account of the story, then who's are we going to accept? Mike Levy? Mickie Knuckles? Ian Rotten? Ian's son? WHO?
The most unbiased source to come out is going to have a bias somewhere. It's assumptive to believe that Billy Grahm is only writing this to protect his job - if that's the case than Ian's a horrible employer who makes for an unfit working environment.
THINK.
moralvirus 3 years ago 2
"You can't take Ian's side as being 100% factual, you certainly can't get it from Mickie, and you most definitely will not get such an account out of Levy". Why MOST DEFINATELY will you not get it from Levy? Thats showing your bias to IWAs innocence. That's what I meant by your opinion, is the fact you believe some stories can be more bias than the others. Like I've said before, perhaps I shudnt feel as bad for Levy but NOONE knows the whole truth and it was just an unprofessional incident.
Arman10701 3 years ago
you wont get it from levy becuz like they've been saying its a chance that levy wanted that to happen if he did plan this, then you cant expect him to be truthful on it. if he didn't plan it, you STILL can trust wht he might say becuz he'd still want a job there, and wont get one by snitching. lol
diddyman4real 3 years ago
I'm not saying you could trust Levys story I'm simply saying all three of Ian, Mickie and Levys stories would as bias as eachothers stories thats all.
Arman10701 3 years ago
thats how its gonna be to keep further legal action from happening. lol
the first thing i learned about the business world is that being as vague an misleading as possible is the only way to stay in business. lol
diddyman4real 3 years ago
No, it really isn't. See Arman, this is why you're a nigger and I am a human being with cognitive thought and a logical forming brain.
If we can't take Rotten and Mickie's accounts as being 100% factual, seeing as they were involved and will likely try to make themselves sound like they were always in the right, then Levy will also do the same. He has as much to gain from painting himself as being the victim of a wrong doing just like the other two.
Sorry Arman, you fail again.
moralvirus 3 years ago
See here you again, completely changing the frigging argument. Not sure if you're getting me confused with the other ppl you probably pick fites with online but uhhh I NEVER SAID I'd take Levys story over Mickie and Ians, thatd just be retarded. ONCE AGAIN you change the argument to make it seem like ur right even tho I never said that and ONCE AGAIN i will tell you and anyone else who thinks they know what happened, IT WAS IRRESPONSIBLE AND NOONE WILL EVER KNOW THE COMPLETE TRUTH BUT IWA/LEVY
Arman10701 3 years ago
"Why MOST DEFINATELY will you not get it from Levy? Thats showing your bias to IWAs innocence."
Actually, it's you trying to turn the argument. You asked a stupid question, and attempt to paint me as having a bias for IWA:MS in this scenario thanks to my words. But once I point out how wrong you are, you try to squirm out, again, to get out of harm's way. In no way, shape or form did I even hint at you having a bias towards Levy's statement, you made that up yourself. Good job, no one suspects.
moralvirus 3 years ago
I accused you of showing bias towards IWA-MS over Levy. I never accused you of accusing me to be bias towards Levy.
Arman10701 3 years ago
Arman, I understand your tiny chimp like mind can't handle all of this. After all, it's such a daunting task to try and understand that letters combine with letters to form words, those words combine with other words to form sentences, and those sentences combine further with other sentences to create paragraphs, and that all of them are utilized to express ideas.
You have my empathy, chimp.
moralvirus 3 years ago
ecw u the man fuk mike levy he got fuck upp that fag deseverd it ecw fuck them hatters wut a prick that guy he should got more he was a bitch great vid faget couldnt wrestle
WWESTSIDE82 3 years ago
Okay, I'm downloading the show, I'll have up the very footage some of you are unaware of, and an explanation of why Mike Levy is NOT a fucking victim.
moralvirus 3 years ago
you got the footage yet?
diddyman4real 3 years ago
Buy the DVD ass holes putting the shit up on youtube is ruining their company and is disrespectful.
Kuratras 3 years ago
lol, he said hes gonna put up the clip proving his point, thats all, i'm not gonna buy a dvd just to see one clip.
diddyman4real 3 years ago
you cheap bastard! LOL
gilbertblaze 3 years ago
lol you know! BRONX BABY! CHEAP CITY! Home of the 99 cent stores. lol
diddyman4real 3 years ago
Hell Yeah....it ain't the Bronx if there isn't a 1 Dollar Store in almost every corner!!!! LOL
gilbertblaze 3 years ago
cont'
bad beating....it was the old school way
so what happen to Mike Levy is not knew
but to the average casual fan..watching the incident of course they are going to feel sorry for him..and think the beating went to over the top
Bottom Line I feel he got his just do!
sad part..it don't seem he learn his lesson....so he will still have the same horrible attitude
he won't go anywhere....and he might as well damage himself from other promotions...
gilbertblaze 3 years ago
you could be right.... or he could end up being macmahon new son if you catchy drift, and thats not a pretty thought.
diddyman4real 3 years ago
Macmahon new son LOL
gilbertblaze 3 years ago
Jim I think you should really get your own opinion. From my days on skype (no one has a different opinion, a reason why I don't go on anymore) and watching videos, I have never seen you disagree with Moral or Slayer once. They are probably the smartest "shooters" here on youtube, but get your own opinion.
bradmaster13 3 years ago
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Brad, seriously, Jim has posted videos that disagree with Slayer before. I believe those videos are still up.
But other then that, you're right - but Jim getting an opinion of his own? You're asking for a miracle - and we both know I'm not too high on the ideal of a God that interjects into our daily lives. :P
moralvirus 3 years ago
But Brad I was the one who brought this up on Skype. If hadent been for me Moral would not have given a shit. So yea dude I have my own opinion.
EcwHardCore07 3 years ago
Excellent point by Brad. Its like everyone on their or atleast the "regulars" have one opinion and if anyone disagrees their wrong its hilarious, thats basically why I dont get on Skype much at all. I'm an individual not a puppet like some ppl on here.
Arman10701 3 years ago
come on Arman...not everyone is like that dude
gilbertblaze 3 years ago
Not everyone at all, but a WHOLE lot of Skypers. I thought I was maybe the only one but seems ppl like Brad realize it too and therefore we avoid Skype. Its like a bunch of puppets. I wouldn't consider you one, BUT that was a perfect example. Jim showed me that same link and all I said was THATS one point of view and the fact I wont go with the story he presented to me and simply said NONE OF US KNOW the whole truth he says i "talk out my ass" haha thats funny as fuck.
Arman10701 3 years ago
I go on skype to have fun and to talk wrestling! with people I normally dont talk to
there are different people here from all over the country with the same opinions or different opinions thats the beauty of skype like youtube to talk about it and debate on certain issues
gilbertblaze 3 years ago
Bullshit misconception.
calvin8hobbs 3 years ago 2
That's so bullshit man. You have no clue about the amount of bullets I've taken defending TNA on a daily basis.
InstantClassic8 3 years ago 3
You talking about me Brandon and the comment I made about skype ppl having 1 opinion? If so again I didnt want to drop names but you're def not one of the puppets. I know how much sht you get and I respect the heck outta you and most the time w have some of the same views. So if you're saying thats bull shit about that comment of mine, then dont worry I wasnt speaking on you. If I was speaking on you I would say so.
Arman10701 3 years ago
Bullshit. Either we're all having one great big circle jerk, or you admit that the individuals on Skype are just that - individuals that through discussion can, or cannot, come to the same conclusion. Which is it. You can't have it both ways, you double talking festering cum bubble.
moralvirus 3 years ago
No no no you got it wrong again you fuckin hippie depressed TWAT. I just dont decide to call out names cause I have a life and am not here for fame like some of you. I'm talking of some of the people I've dealt with. I never go on skype so I probably dont even talk to 1/5 of the people from YouTube who are on Skype. But I am speaking of you and thats all you gotta know, so go keep being depressed and get off my fn nuts I know you wish you were me but you cant be MOOOOVE ON!
Arman10701 3 years ago
Whatever you say, scumbag. Seriously, you sit there accusing us all as being one thing, and when someone from the group comes up and tells you you're wrong, and you don't want to insult them because they're universally liked, like Classic is, you bow and contradict yourself.
Shit, you're a living contradiction considering you were technically aborted, as your mother fished her out of her cunt with that rusty wire hanger. How you survived is still a mystery.
moralvirus 3 years ago
From the group? Haha whose in this group now that you're coming out and admitting you guys share the same views? Its like your group disgaree for a second then kiss and make up and agree upon one thing that should be universally accepted by everyone else. Sorry thats not how it works :o)! I didnt contradict shit I told Brandon I wasnt talking about him, and told you that I was talking about you. Don't bring other ppl into this esp Brandon who avoids drama like most of us and is here for fun.
Arman10701 3 years ago
Calvin and I have had our disagreements. Brandon and everyone else have had theirs. They still accept our calls, they still accept our friendship, and they still accept our differing views to their own, much like we accept their views. Some of us can be very belligerent and stubborn, but at the end of the day we're learning from each other, and growing. Still think this is a circle jerk session considering that's two high profile characters that you're currently trying to suck up to?
moralvirus 3 years ago
Me sucking up to them?! HAAA you're the one speaking of these people as if their involved with your immature arguing ways and as if they have taken your side on this. They have lives they dont care about this shit. I wasnt sucking up but rather telling them I wasnt speaking of them. Calvin, I dont think I've ever seen a vid of his or spoken to him so I cant be speaking of him and Brandon, actually forms his own opinions and isnt throwing around the n word and making sht personal.
Arman10701 3 years ago
I guess in order to break down anything to you it would have to require a lot of crayons, paper, a faggoty purple dinosaur dancing out his jitters from his coked up body, a bright, blue bouncing ball that hops over a scrolling text, with the simple instructions of, "follow the bouncing ball."
Until then, it's like trying to educate a baboon on the etiquette of washing its hands after properly using the toilet. The best I can hope for is that you don't get any shit on me in the training process.
moralvirus 3 years ago
There you go changing subjects cause you realize there may just be one person in the IWC who doesnt think you're one of the best on here AT ALL and becaue he respects others over you. Ayo cuz, dont get mad cause Barney came to my bday and not yours aight? Thats just pure hatorade. SMELL ME?
Arman10701 3 years ago
no you dont
worstwrestlingever 3 years ago
I have to take exception to that. There is a wide range of view that are expressed and much of the fun is discussing your point and hearing an alternative view.
calvin8hobbs 3 years ago
I didnt mean everyone sry if thats how it came off. I havent been on Skype much so maybe i donno who the "Regulars" are but I aint hear to drop names. If I wanted to drop names I wouldve already had a huge exchange of words through vids with one of the "most respected" and been so much more "popular" on here as Ive mentioned before but I'm not here for that. I was simply talking about most the guys Ive chatted with. Gilbert you're not one and I dont think Ive chatted with you ever Calvin.
Arman10701 3 years ago
You're a spineless, sniveling little shit. This about proves it.
Thank you Arman, you make this far too fucking easy - though it really is excessively fun to mock such a worthless nigger such as yourself.
moralvirus 3 years ago
Nope Jarrod I'm just clearing up with people I misled and letting them know that I'm not speaking of them. A spineless person would say hes not talking about anybody and for the 5th time maybe now I WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU, not Brandon or Calvin who have questioned me. People actually come on here for fun and form their own opinion and civilly debate issues. Where as you, have noone who accepts you on society so you come here form a universal opinion with a cpl buddies and make sht personal
Arman10701 3 years ago
When speaking in a general tone, you include everyone. Chimp, if you didn't want to include everyone, why use a general tone?
Chimp, the way it looks, you're sucking up to them for including them into a group you don't think they represent, when the reality is they're a part of the group you're trying to condemn as being some evil entity. You don't know what we are, but you have labels ready for us, all because you can't handle me. Surprise, surprise.
moralvirus 3 years ago