Having faith doesn't make you an idiot, some of the best and brightest have faith, it's just something people are programmed/brainwashed into thinking is true by way of popular opinion or friends/family
I agree entirely, when people just don't question their faith, I really have no problem with that, sometimes people have bigger problems or are simply interested in other things than debating theology and existence.
I totally get that, it's just when faith is then turned into something that people should be proud of, I mean faith in a partner maybe, or in your work, but in a god I don't believe exists, I just can't wrap my head around it.
... crammed down their throats and religious people don't want to hear atheist rhetoric crammed down their throats. If that is how a person finds fulfillment in their life and they do not bother anyone else then why should they be called out on it?
I disagree with you here. She is not raising the point that she's a good or bad person based on here beliefs or that she should be commended for sticking to her religion. I think more so she is just saying if her believing in a higher power helps her to be a better person then why is it the concern of someone else that she holds those beliefs? I believe what she's saying here is that she doesn't feel she should be attacked for her beliefs. It's a two way street atheists don't want religion...
..."you don't just die, to be a good person". So I've always wondered, what stops a man from being completely bad, or conversely, what compels a person to be good? What's is matter? This culture is permeated by the thought of "let me be good, (not bad) so I don't go to hell". That's what impresses upon peoples behavior, I think. No god! what's it matter? Why not be awful?....fuck it!!!!
@JamesPopeAfterShow We share many of the same views on things my friend. It's nice to see an Atheist/Agnostic that doesn't just shout like a moron and make the rest of us look bad. Keep making good videos like this.
@julzabro, "You cannot conclusively prove faith in god is a lie.". Let me give it try threw inductive reasoning.
All religions claim to be the "ONLY" true religion, and the rest are based on false prophets. If all religions, can not be true, then at the very least, all but one, is in fact based on a lie. At the very worst, all are based on a lie. Therefore, the question is, what makes you think your faith is not based on a lie?
@julzabro You cannot conclusively prove faith in god is a lie, in more than people of faith can prove that God exists. And choosing to beilve in something that makes you feel better about yourself and your world is not inherantly bad either, it is what you do with it. Do you act like a crazy nut. Or do you try to be the best person you can be. It can be noble if used right. and it is now cowardly to open yourself up to ridducle, and is anything but lazy to try to live up to.
Also not all religous people are being nice for brownie points. Some of us actualy are nice because we should be not because we have to be. Just as alot of atheiests are nice to be nice. Having religon or not having religon does not make you a nicer person. being a nicer person makes you a nicer person. there are just as many homocidal people on both sides of the religon question.
i do not think that a belief or non-belief in an etheral being should have any bering on your intelect. It is not foolish either way if it makes you feel better. The problem comes when you believe that belief or lack there of makes you better or smarter than someone else. james i would never assume you were superior to me due to your lack of belief and would hope that you would not think me childish or foolish for my belief in God. And that ahteist woman was being rude.
Also, does anyone else find it depreciating of a person's character if their only motivation to "be good" is the threat of torture? Religious people aren't altruistic because they're helping people, they think they're getting brownie points for an imaginary reward. It's sick.
@Nagneto Well this one wasn't exactly the same, tho by seeing the clip that I showed, I could see why you'd think so, but it's actually a really interesting program on the BBC, I have it linked in the description, you should check it out, Dawkins is on the episode and he does some pwnge.
Although must people won't forgive you for thinking in such an audacious manner, God is always forgiving and will welcome you to His kingdom with open arms. I think although you may be trying to get your point across, it comes in a very disrespectful and repulsive way. God will always love His children and I hope you will find him in your heart and soul. God bless you.
The atheist bitchslap video is a strawman. It defines faith in a stupid way (that way is called fideism). Simply put, the majority of Christians are not also advocates of fideism.
I think Sam Harris said it best. I can't remember the exact quote, but it was something like "Religion gives people bad reasons to be good when good reasons are available."
That's what he says, and what I was thinking, too. It's a bad habit to relinquish reason to solace - it's selfish. If this woman at the end of the vid thinks that perpetuating this bad habit of selfishness and intellectual suicide is only her business, well, she's just selfish!
Willfuly embracing a lie is NOT noble and cannot be defined in ANY other way than IGNORANT! Having faith is not noble, it's lazy, cowardice and illogical. Having HOPE, however, is MUCH better imho! ;)
I saw her comments 2X and am not sure what she is stating? IS she trying to make a point that her faith might be a delusion and that is OK since she needs that faith to be a good person?
OK, as a Christian I see nothing wrong with the idea that people can just be good. I do not cling to faith as the only reason to be good. Of course I believe that it is God who causes the good and is the good in us. So why not be good?
@jfrontier1 but you said God "causes" the good in us.. i understand we can always make a choice.. nobody is 100% good or 100% bad
also no definite line between good and bad..
maybe another way to say it is.. if God causes the good in us, but not the bad.. why is the bad there at all? are we all naturally bad but are made good because of God's intervention? are we all good but sometimes decide to be bad? or is God the source of good AND bad in us and all that really tips the scale is our choices?
My blunt response is the same question I asked Dan Merchant, director of "Lord, Save Us From Your Followers" at a Campus Crusade for Christ meeting, regarding his comment that he could really feel God's presence during rescue efforts after Katrina:
How do you get to decide that God was there for the rescue efforts, but not the hurricane?
@Polum824545201 Causation is not the same as causality in the calvinistic sense. When we are born again we are now imbued with the Holy Spirit. The Spirit is now a part of us and we do the good we believe in and want to do. This is a result of God's grace.
Bad is a result of ourselves. God did not create evil, we mess up on our own. So God is not the source, per say, or evil, we can do that on our own. We just can get out of the evil by living God's way (the best we can).
Having faith doesn't make you an idiot, some of the best and brightest have faith, it's just something people are programmed/brainwashed into thinking is true by way of popular opinion or friends/family
Garganzola09 2 months ago
@Garganzola09
I agree entirely, when people just don't question their faith, I really have no problem with that, sometimes people have bigger problems or are simply interested in other things than debating theology and existence.
I totally get that, it's just when faith is then turned into something that people should be proud of, I mean faith in a partner maybe, or in your work, but in a god I don't believe exists, I just can't wrap my head around it.
JamesEzSecretChannel 2 months ago
... crammed down their throats and religious people don't want to hear atheist rhetoric crammed down their throats. If that is how a person finds fulfillment in their life and they do not bother anyone else then why should they be called out on it?
TheDubVee 2 months ago
I disagree with you here. She is not raising the point that she's a good or bad person based on here beliefs or that she should be commended for sticking to her religion. I think more so she is just saying if her believing in a higher power helps her to be a better person then why is it the concern of someone else that she holds those beliefs? I believe what she's saying here is that she doesn't feel she should be attacked for her beliefs. It's a two way street atheists don't want religion...
TheDubVee 2 months ago
what is the point of living if we are just going to die? we might as well just kill ourselves now
bullshit1125 2 months ago
@bullshit1125 yes, i guess you might as well
JamesEzSecretChannel 2 months ago
Omfg thanks for putting the background music in your description i always wanted to know what the damm name was.... i want to hugg you!
EveryOneHatesNelly 2 months ago
@EveryOneHatesNelly lol, no problemo :)
JamesEzSecretChannel 2 months ago
..."you don't just die, to be a good person". So I've always wondered, what stops a man from being completely bad, or conversely, what compels a person to be good? What's is matter? This culture is permeated by the thought of "let me be good, (not bad) so I don't go to hell". That's what impresses upon peoples behavior, I think. No god! what's it matter? Why not be awful?....fuck it!!!!
gargolas27 2 months ago
@gargolas27 thanks for commenting/ watching man, nice to hear from ya :)
JamesEzSecretChannel 2 months ago
@JamesPopeAfterShow We share many of the same views on things my friend. It's nice to see an Atheist/Agnostic that doesn't just shout like a moron and make the rest of us look bad. Keep making good videos like this.
d1sturb3d0ne 2 months ago
@julzabro, "You cannot conclusively prove faith in god is a lie.". Let me give it try threw inductive reasoning.
All religions claim to be the "ONLY" true religion, and the rest are based on false prophets. If all religions, can not be true, then at the very least, all but one, is in fact based on a lie. At the very worst, all are based on a lie. Therefore, the question is, what makes you think your faith is not based on a lie?
The burden of proof lies on the person of faith.
joshlindsay 2 months ago
@joshlindsay
Certainly,
a video response would help greatly in that regard
*hint *hint
;)
JamesEzSecretChannel 2 months ago
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JamesEzSecretChannel 2 months ago
@julzabro You cannot conclusively prove faith in god is a lie, in more than people of faith can prove that God exists. And choosing to beilve in something that makes you feel better about yourself and your world is not inherantly bad either, it is what you do with it. Do you act like a crazy nut. Or do you try to be the best person you can be. It can be noble if used right. and it is now cowardly to open yourself up to ridducle, and is anything but lazy to try to live up to.
ironspoon 2 months ago
Also not all religous people are being nice for brownie points. Some of us actualy are nice because we should be not because we have to be. Just as alot of atheiests are nice to be nice. Having religon or not having religon does not make you a nicer person. being a nicer person makes you a nicer person. there are just as many homocidal people on both sides of the religon question.
ironspoon 2 months ago
i do not think that a belief or non-belief in an etheral being should have any bering on your intelect. It is not foolish either way if it makes you feel better. The problem comes when you believe that belief or lack there of makes you better or smarter than someone else. james i would never assume you were superior to me due to your lack of belief and would hope that you would not think me childish or foolish for my belief in God. And that ahteist woman was being rude.
ironspoon 2 months ago
Also, does anyone else find it depreciating of a person's character if their only motivation to "be good" is the threat of torture? Religious people aren't altruistic because they're helping people, they think they're getting brownie points for an imaginary reward. It's sick.
Nagneto 2 months ago
If find all those daytime talk shows to be either propaganda or other wise misleading pseudo information to keep the public dumb.
Nagneto 2 months ago
@Nagneto Well this one wasn't exactly the same, tho by seeing the clip that I showed, I could see why you'd think so, but it's actually a really interesting program on the BBC, I have it linked in the description, you should check it out, Dawkins is on the episode and he does some pwnge.
JamesEzSecretChannel 2 months ago
Although must people won't forgive you for thinking in such an audacious manner, God is always forgiving and will welcome you to His kingdom with open arms. I think although you may be trying to get your point across, it comes in a very disrespectful and repulsive way. God will always love His children and I hope you will find him in your heart and soul. God bless you.
nyprincess8475 2 months ago
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@nyprincess8475
It is almost impossible not to be disrespectful when telling someone that they are living a lie.
JamesEzSecretChannel 2 months ago
The atheist bitchslap video is a strawman. It defines faith in a stupid way (that way is called fideism). Simply put, the majority of Christians are not also advocates of fideism.
Epydemic2020 2 months ago
@Epydemic2020 Though they are not advocates of it, they are often practice it.
JamesEzSecretChannel 2 months ago
I think Sam Harris said it best. I can't remember the exact quote, but it was something like "Religion gives people bad reasons to be good when good reasons are available."
alvein7 2 months ago 2
@alvein7
That's what he says, and what I was thinking, too. It's a bad habit to relinquish reason to solace - it's selfish. If this woman at the end of the vid thinks that perpetuating this bad habit of selfishness and intellectual suicide is only her business, well, she's just selfish!
infideluxe 2 months ago
Willfuly embracing a lie is NOT noble and cannot be defined in ANY other way than IGNORANT! Having faith is not noble, it's lazy, cowardice and illogical. Having HOPE, however, is MUCH better imho! ;)
julzabro 2 months ago
I saw her comments 2X and am not sure what she is stating? IS she trying to make a point that her faith might be a delusion and that is OK since she needs that faith to be a good person?
OK, as a Christian I see nothing wrong with the idea that people can just be good. I do not cling to faith as the only reason to be good. Of course I believe that it is God who causes the good and is the good in us. So why not be good?
Nice video. Have a great day.
jfrontier1 2 months ago
@jfrontier1 not being rude.. just asking here.. wouldn't the bad or evil in us also be caused by God?
Polum824545201 2 months ago
@Polum824545201 Well, no, actually it would not. Good and evil are our choice in life, no one elses. Do we blame God for the things we do? I say no.
You were not rude, feel free to ask anything you like. Hope that answers your question, if not comment here or PM me, my channel is always open.
Have a nice day.
jfrontier1 2 months ago
@jfrontier1 but you said God "causes" the good in us.. i understand we can always make a choice.. nobody is 100% good or 100% bad
also no definite line between good and bad..
maybe another way to say it is.. if God causes the good in us, but not the bad.. why is the bad there at all? are we all naturally bad but are made good because of God's intervention? are we all good but sometimes decide to be bad? or is God the source of good AND bad in us and all that really tips the scale is our choices?
Polum824545201 2 months ago
@Polum824545201
My blunt response is the same question I asked Dan Merchant, director of "Lord, Save Us From Your Followers" at a Campus Crusade for Christ meeting, regarding his comment that he could really feel God's presence during rescue efforts after Katrina:
How do you get to decide that God was there for the rescue efforts, but not the hurricane?
infideluxe 2 months ago
@Polum824545201 Causation is not the same as causality in the calvinistic sense. When we are born again we are now imbued with the Holy Spirit. The Spirit is now a part of us and we do the good we believe in and want to do. This is a result of God's grace.
Bad is a result of ourselves. God did not create evil, we mess up on our own. So God is not the source, per say, or evil, we can do that on our own. We just can get out of the evil by living God's way (the best we can).
jfrontier1 2 months ago