The bible, like all mythology, did NOT literally come from some external creator 'being' that used 'men' as his writing tool. It came from the depths of OUR being and like all mythology, was shaped by the cultures of the people who wrote it. It points to universal human truths and says far more about US as thinking, feeling human beings than it does about 'God'.
@visionfudge "only the Bible is the Word of God" Really? if Bible was the word of God why did men revise the Bible ! There are parts in it that are actually from the God but - Jesus said in the bible "When he, the spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth; for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear (from God), that shall he speak, and he will show you things to come" - talking about Muhammed and the Quran(Guider in arabic).
@leo10acm With respect, you are taking the Bible out of context.
The Spirit of truth is the Holy Spirit of God. This is the same Spirit mentioned in John 14:17 and 26. It is not speaking of any man.
As for revising the Bible - it is true that the Bible has been translated into many languages and translations, but the original text itself is all God-breathed/inspired by God (2 Timothy 3:16).
@kevinxsalerno Science changes with new information and technology. The Bible does not. At least I can trust it to be the same tomorrow - it hasn't let me down yet!
Jesus came onto the Earth and suffered like all the rest of us. He was in the desert for forty days and was tempted by the devil. He also had the most painful and unfair death with false testimonies. He died for our sins and then was raised to life to put us right with God. It is our fault, through greed and other means that there are starving children suffering in Africa and other countries. God gave us choice of how we are to live our lives. The Narrow path to heaven or the wide path to hell.
Take the gospels - if they, the disciples had made up the whole story, including the resurrection – well then we'd have to believe that a group of completely uneducated, inarticulate fishermen created the single-most enduring book ever written. In an eloquent & literary style and profoundness that surpasses Shakespeare, Dante & Tolkien combined! All, without the help of the supernatural intervention & divine inspiration of God? In other words, I don't think so.
@WillMcGregorTV you think the bible was written by a god? if not you think that means it was written by desert nomads? do you have any idea how man times the bible has been edited, or how many versions there are, of the woord of god? men edited and collate the word of your god? Who decided which books should be included and which excluded from the Bible? Why are there differences in the Bibles for Catholics, Protestants, and Jews? what powers the lie, is the desire for truth and comfort
They lacked apostolic or prophetic authorship; they did not claim to be the Word of God; they contain unbiblical concepts such as prayer for the dead in 2 Macc. 12:45-46; or have some serious historical inaccuracies. These books were never authoritative, inspired, or authentically written by either the Jewish Prophets or the Christian Apostles. They weren't lost nor were they removed from the Bible because they were never in the Bible to begin with.
Anyone who can demonstrate that the bible is the word of a God, without lies, error, fallcy, emotional appeals or slander, let me know. so far no one here has accomplished this, even with ad hom, circular, reasoning or anythng else.
I've checked it out. I believed it with all of my heart for most of my life. But as it turns out, the Bible is filled with errors almost too many to count. I wanted it to be true. But it just isn't. I'm sorry but your claim is untenable.
BTW @visionfudge the prayer for his soul is just to make you feel you've done all your can because God also said, “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces." You have spoken the Truth and God will work in the hearts of those whom He has chosen. Your antagonist's nom de plume betrays his intent.
@NOWIsItJustMe my intent is only towards critical thinking. you have proven me right in your commentary. thanks. i should consider the bible true and authoritative why? because it says it is the word of a god? written by men exactly like us. circular. primitive superstition is this god and all gods, all born in the minds of the men its condemns as ignraont, stupid, swine, etc./ no reasoning with some ppl. irrationlism rules truth right? take care
@NOWIsItJustMe when you can demonstrate the existence of any god, let me know. a cowards condemnation is in no way impressive. keep condemning those unavailable to oppose. if that aint piety!
many ppl have prayed for me. it hasnt changed anything. every other word out of my moms mouth is jesus. look up "the efficacy of prayer", you may learn something. anything positive that can be achieved with religion, can be without it. attribute your triumphs to the person who actually triumphed. not a god. man doesnt understand himself or his potential. pray for the christian children who starve and die of diseases. ppl prayed for them for a long time. their suffering has no plan. cyaz
being stupid and believeing something stupid are two different things. there are all kinds of arguments for god belief but what ppl believe is there business. as long as theyre arent hurting anyone, i dont care but religion doesnt effect everyone in the same way. its interpreted selectively , and everyone has their own idea of what god is and what god wants. even ppl of the same religion. religion is a torment to some, to others justifcation for violence, it has many outdated ideas.
@executionerofgod All evidence has faith too. Every belief system, whether it includes the supernatural or not, has foundational elements which are not proven. Even a naturalist worldview that relies on science must accept many things without evidence. They have to believe that their way of determining what is true is the best way... and believe/trust the results of other scientists. A complete skeptic will never get anywhere in science. Faith and reason are not opposed to one another.
my way of thinking is based on scientific methodology. yours is based on blind belief of ancient biblical nonsesne. one of us is definitley blind. try to gain a contemporary scientific view of life in the only reality you'll ever know. i know youve been convinced that blind belief and mental enslavement leads to eternal life. i'll dissect that nonsense as well, if you like. you should thank me. i am the servant of truth, logic, and critical thought. i seek understanding & expose superstition.
the fact remains. your superstitious god belief is irrationalist thinking. this is not the thinking that spawned, computers, medical advancement like vaccines, or advanced technology. if everyone thought like you, we'd still be praying to cure bubonic plague victims, it was your way of thinking that banned science, spread superstition by genocide. observation has given us everything that you attribute to an invisible, illogical, genocidal, petty, ignorant, and jealous god.
remember, einstein referred to the bible as a childish collection of writing. if you think of the bible as a god's guide to the galaxy. you fail,. if you think of the bible as a book meant to promote a certain morality, you succeed.
you know what i'm saying is true. but none of this means you cant continue to believe what you do. your beliefs arent based on the weight of reason anyway.
christian belief is rooted in irrationalism. its inherently dishonest. if you understand that you are an irrationalist, you shouldnt care what the reality of things is. you should continue to view things in anyway that you find emotionally appealing. thats what compells you. not critical thought. accepting xtian doctrine comforts you. having that belief demonstrated, irrational, disturbs you. you blindly believe . a lie becomes true, if you believe it. i reject superstition. you accept it
No mistakes? Hmm..What day did Jesus die? The day AFTER Jesus ate the passover meal with his disciples as clearly stated in Mark. Or the day BEFORE the passover meal (when the lambs were being slaughtered in preparation) as explicitly stated in John?
This is contradiction #1 out of thousands. I look forward to hearing you reconcile these two contradictory accounts without doing violence to the text.
let me say one last thing. those who believed that "zeus created the world from a slain giant's eyebrow", dont make this claim more likely to be true. we dont have to set about proving the claims of every religion false. they have to prove their claims true. if those claims bear no truth, they can stress the importance of blind belief. belief justified irrationally. belief like yours. the nonsense filling your head doesnt rewrite the rules of epistemology. but faithfully pretend it does.
if you say "i believe men wriote the bible and i believe and it conatins provable science". thats fine, you are free to believe whatever but when you assert these things from a position of certainty, you better be ready to demonstrate it true, whithout the need for an irrationalist audience.
if you choose to believe the bible was "inspired by a god", thats one thing. youre completely free to do that. but when you start trying to convince others of this, you better damn well have more than repetition, emotional appeals, and appeals to ignorance. there is no rational reason to believe this. blind belief makes the claim no more likely to be true. it just suspends the only mechanism by which you may weigh the evidence for this claim. there is none
there is one relevant question here. "is the bible the word of a god?" . the obvious answer: no, it is a production of man. thats all there is to it. those who assert it as the word of a god, need demonstrate that it is. knowing it was written by men, i do not have to demonstrate that it is not the word of a god. blind belief does not change the origin of the bible. irrationalism changes nothing.
another claim in this video is that the bible is full of scientific facts. assuming that vision really believes this, it is not reflected by the reality. "god would do this and that" are appeals to beliefs that i do not have. its pure fallacy. thats something else that religious apologists rely on.
@NonStampCollector Interesting observation from one who does not collect stamps so presumably does not write letters? While demonic possession can be explained as being caused by other psychosomatic phenomena, there is no doubting people's fascination with the occult and anyone who has counselled people with problems arising from occultic activities recognise that their are some explained phenomena that can be spiritual in origin. Read some of the writings of Dr Kurt Koch, for example.
@NonStampCollector Demonic possession is the tool god used to get people sick. Like when you write a letter with a pen. (Sorry. That was me trying to the use the logic of this vid)
@MsScienceFTW So... God used to use demonic possession to get people sick, but now he uses microscopic organisms and bacteria to do the same job and inflict the same illnesses. Got it.
And... hold on back up. God used a "tool" to "get people sick". God wanted people to be sick, and He used "tools" to achieve that end. This is the same God that "is love", right?
What "tools" do you recommend I use to make my own children "get sick" when I want to, out of love?
nothing that withstands scrutiny, is believed by faith. its justified in irrationlism. youve provn you'll say anything. stop preaching and try to be honest, unless you'll burn eternally for it.
men use pens. so how does that demonstrate that a god used men to write the bible? it does not. you wouldve done better to leave this fallacious video unproduced. that way, you could at least pretend your not a fool
@executionerofgod The point being, God used men to write the Scriptures, in much the same way we might use a pen to write a letter. It's [Scripture] still God's writings. "Every Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for convincing, for correction of error, and for instruction in right doing" 2 Timothy 3:16.
@visionfudge what kind of fool believes a book is the product of a god, just because that is written in the book?(circular nonsense). you have to be the most gullible fool in the universe to believe that. if the book said it was inspired by werewolves, you'd gladly accept it as a guide to the galaxy. its always sad when a grown man is gullible and without the ability to think critically. religion was invented when the first con, met the first fool. "inspired by god" lmao. wanna buy a bridge?
learn to think critically. there's no claim that cannot be questionedy. you let others tell you, what "you must believe". why would an all knowing god value , human gullibility? there is no reason to believe this. there is nothing that cant be questioned. do you accept every claim you hear? you give special exemption to religious claims. you must, because if you questioned them, you'd see that theyre nonsense without rational justification. its mythology
@executionerofgod With respect, that's where you're wrong. I do think critically - I must do to distinguish between truth and falsehood (whether you agree with my findings or not). I encourage everyone to seek out the truth for themselves. The Bible continues to withstand the greatest scrutiny and I have found that I can trust it. Cheers.
@visionfudge if you know that know that men wrote the book that you refer to as "inspired by god", you do not think criticaally. "falsehood" is whatever anyone says it is, but the truth is not. now then. as a normal human being , you cannot know what inspired anyone to do anything. we both know that"it was inspired by god" is not a notion that struck you randomly. someone made this assertion , with nothing to demonstrate ittrue., and you blindly believed it. you failed to analyze it.
you kow what i am saying is true and it requires not "faith". only critical analysis. you are not a critical thinker. you were indoctrinated into a bronze age belief system, compelled to believe it and reject demonstrable truth in it's favor. it is a fear-cultivating, "join me or die" ideology, that proliferates an "end times" world view. its imaginary "salvation" is based on human sacrifice, its doctrine , riddiled with atrocity, misogyny and barbarity. think 4 yourself. unless youre scared.
@executionerofgod OK, if you think critically, then it is a logical deduction that (assuming you do not believe a big bang that came from nothing is responsible for every everything - an equally illogical deduction) a God who is interested in us would like us to be interested in Him, too, isn't it? If we are interested in someone, we usually want to have a relationship of some kind. How, then, would such a God make himself known to people in ways to which they could relate, as human beings?
@MMTMarks if you think critically and have any understanding of the big bang theory, you'd know that cosmologists say the only thing necessary to cause the singularity's expansion, is gravity. the big bang theory was proposed by monsignor georges lemeitre. a preist and scientist. the theory neither necessitates nor excludes a god, so its a nonfactor, in the debate as to whether the bible makes sense, and is a guide to reality, like some ppl believe. same goes for evolution,/
@executionerofgod I find it fundamental to whether the Bible makes sense because, if cosmologist and lemeitre assertions are a non factor, then we are left in search of a rational explanation to one of the Bible's basic tenets - that God made the heavens and the earth. Is it or isn't it true? If it is not, then what is the truth of the matter by critical examination? Or is there nothing that can be proved, thereby opening the way to a belief by faith - another tenet of the Bible?
@MMTMarks do you need to consider lemeiter's theory to know if donkeys and snakes talk? do you need to consider the value of the life and potential of a child, to know whether or not you should stone them if theyre unruly? youre assuming that the bible is a guide to the galxy. i do not. there is no reason to consider the bible true or authoritative in the first place. "calling it the word of a god" , makes it no less ridiculous.
@executionerofgod Then what is truth? Is it your perception of reality which, of course, differs from others? Is it the way you feel, which differs from others? Is there an absolute truth? If not, then are we all living out our own truth or lie? The Bible claims to be absolute truth. Based on what truth are you calling it ridiculous?
@executionerofgod I think we both know that you can't prove your base for truth or disprove the Bible is the word of God, just as I can't prove it. The fact is the value of almost anything is based on one thing - confidence, whether it be money, property, a partner or a belief. Confidence can grow or be shattered based on what we learn and experience - a market collapse, an unfaithful partner, whatever. My experience is that the Bible is truth, so I am confident. Where does your confidence lie?
@MMTMarks the fact that the bible was written by men, proves its not the word of a god. just as every corpse proves that life is not eternal. just because ppl made up lies to convince otherwise, doesnt change the demonstrative facts of the matter. youcan believe that rain falls upward. that doesnt change the facts. now then . you havent demonstrated that the bible is the word of a god. you fail. we both know the bible was written by men. every book was. which proves my point. case closed
@executionerofgod Do science and medical books have to be written by the person who makes the discovery to be true? How many books did Einstein write? Please don't assume everyone accepts church dogma as truth - it doesn't always accord with the Bible, the book in question. Also, if a corpse proves life is not eternal, then you can clearly only believe what you see or feel and will be blind to anything that is spiritual or unseen. Yet, I'd bet you believe in radio waves and wireless internet?
@MMTMarks keep talking. its one fallacy after another with you. men wrotethe bible,. it is the word of man. its that simple. look up occam's razor. maybe youcan get anh idea, why we dont have to leap from man, the known author of all books, to a god, for which there is not an iota of evidence. look up "appeal to belief" too. you keep mistaking me for a christian. it should be obvious that i dont believe what you do.
@executionerofgod With your sign in and comments, how could I mistake you for a Christian? You keep quoting books, repeating the same stuff written by other, yes, men. You are keen to knock my beliefs but don't seem to have the courage to state your beliefs. Do they stand up to the same critical examination of evidence like fulfilled prophecy? I know what my beliefs have done for me. What have yours done for you? Does your life have a purpose and fulfillment between the cradle and the grave?
@MMTMarks of course my beliefs stand up to critical analysis. they are based on critical analysis. this is how i go about choosing what should be accepted, whats should be rejected, and the difference between fact and superstition. my understanding of reality is not based on a two thousand year old book of stories, meant to teach morality. you dont seem to understand that the deities of christian mythology are just anthropomorphic representations ,ascribed human attributes.
@executionerofgod Thanks. I would have probably written the same answer some years ago. I tried to say before that our critical analysis is still subject to our experience of reality. OK, the hang up seems to be that men wrote the book. Accepted. But did they write the truth? I've read Ivan Panin's attempt to disprove the Bible. He was a mathematician and Hebrew & Greek letter have numerical values. He ended up concluding that the Bible is mathematical perfection and the chance of just one
@MMTMarks i have no hangs with the fact that men wrote the bible. io just know that it is impossible to believe its the word of a god, without self deception. there's no reason to believe that. there's no evidentiary justification. there is no rational justification. if the bible is written truth, it wouldnt be fiull of mistakes attributed selectively to it being a product of primitive man. a lot of tap dancing is done in this regard. its the word of a god who doesnt know the simplest things
@MMTMarks thats an "appeal to authority".this claim doesnt reduce the bible to perfection. now, of course, i'm not gonna do a line by line audit of the bible here. flat earth, heliocentricity and talking donkeys, aside. prove the bible is the word of a god. thats all you have to do. so far you fail. i would be impressed by the mathematical perfectoion if a book of physics. not a book of stories subject to connection at the very least
@executionerofgod A bit of confusion here. It was science that was stating the earth was flat while all the time the Bible said, Isaiah 40:22: It is He who sits on the circle of the earth. Also, Dr Ivan Panin was a Russian Nihilist, Harvard scholar and a mathematician. You fail if I fail because you cannot prove your base either. You are understandably limited by evidence of only what you see and feel. Do you prefer to remain blind to the possibility of another dimension that has answers?
@MMTMarks maybe it was your science stating the world was flat. not mine. in 1492 columbus sailed and proved thats the world was round. astronomers new the world was round in the 9th century
@MMTMarks we both know my position is proven by the reality that all books are written by men, they are the words of men. you apply a special irrationally justified conclusion to a book (written by men), you have chosen to accept as "the word of a god", because the men who wrote the book, wrote it in the book.. be honest.
i win, you lose. but why you'd try to justify such an irrational position, i'll never know. God Bless you.
@executionerofgod The men who wrote the Bible knew the earth wasn't flat before Christ - that's before the 9th century and, as you point out they were "primitive". Who gave them that knowledge? Who enabled these primitives to foretell events thousands of years before they happened. Win, lose, win, lose! It seems like an obsession with you. Before you mention it, I didn't arrive at my faith out of fear of a God but rather love of a God who demonstrates He loves me. One of us has already won.
@MMTMarks what youve won is the realization that theres no rational justification for the belief that the bible was divinely inspired. thats all there is to it. persist in fallacious,appeals to authority and you still lose.
what you term "faith" is but self deception. this is how a person comes to a place where his entire view of reality is distorted and manipulated by ancient biblical nonsense and its purveyors. if youre ever overcome by honesty, let me know.
@executionerofgod Where the Bible was not available, e.g. early Christians and recent China, Christianity thrived. The Bible just confirms the truth which is God. Invent your own by all means but it is your truth not THE truth. Without God, you cannot know the truth. THE truth changes lives for good and that is greater evidence than you can offer. It makes primitive people smarter than highly educated ones and cannot be distorted or manipulated because truth is truth. And yours? I prefer mine.
@MMTMarks you fail to demonstrate that the bible is the word of a god, from there you descend into pure preachery. thanks. you'd think i havent heard this shit countless times in the last 30 some years. keep it up. i can safely say you have nothing to offer me. your god is imaginary. goodbye
@executionerofgod Yeah, I get it now. You continue to ask for the same proof that we both agree cannot be given, so you can say "I won". Congratulations! BIG win! For a while I thought you were more than a broken record.
@MMTMarks if the proof cannot be given, then theres no reason to conclude that the bible, written, collated, and edited by men, is the word of a god. its not my fault that there's no rational justification for your position, that a god caused ideas to spring into the heads of desert nomads.. how could you confirm that? you cant, but you blindly accept it. you reach magical conclusions by suspending reason. you compartmentalize. u value the conclusions of critical thought, when they suit you.
@MMTMarks einstein was a deist. newton was a compartmentalizing christian. the physical laws are based on observations, not blind belief. newton was a known alchemist who tried more than one way to unlock the mysteries of nature. dont appeal to authority, its fallacy.
@executionerofgod I'm happy to have arrived at the same logical deductions as eminent physicist - there is a God. Because we can't prove that to you, you say it's our imagination. You are limited to what you see and feel and seem unable to extend your mind to the same logical deduction so obvious to scientific giants. How do you cope with radio images from the Hubble telescope? What an incredibly small world you live in with your view of critical thinking. Blanket statements, no possibilities.
@MMTMarks your conclusion is nowhere near einsteins'. his "god" is nature. newton's christianity, like yours is likely incedental. neither is based on the weight of evidence. notice how newton's laws endure and how ppl are still accepting christianity by blind belief
@MMTMarks there is nothing logical in deducing that a god exists. we already covered that. remember what i said about dishonesty? you cant prove it to me and you cant prove it to yourself. though you can have 'faith"( aka self deception) . i am not limited by what i observe, but you can make that claim as if your primitive superstition allows you to see something real, that is imperceptible to me. just more fallacy
@MMTMarks "extend your mind to the same logical deduction so obvious to scientific giants. " if you god is a logical deduction, logically explain why "faith" is necessary? is faith the substance of things unseen, or things nonexistent? :) there is no reason to believe in you god but you can. i dont mind. ytou have demonstrated a dependence on christian mythology. you show that it is the gauge by which you weigh all things. thats cool but its a conlcusion void of honesty.
@executionerofgod i already said you may contuinue believeing in your god. though this belief is inherently dishonest, its ok with me., i come from a family of christians. now then. you dont have to admit that your views are silly primitive superstition, or that god belief is not a logical deduction. i just wonder what i should say to you, because i see you are disturbed by the reality of your beliefs and your god. take the red pill and believe anything you want. desire dictates your "truth"
@executionerofgod Your "truth" is what you can deduce from what you see. If science worked on that basis, we'd never discover anything. No possibility. Life in outer space can only exist when you see it, right? Some of the most brilliant minds postulate concerning God. You reduce them and me to "Adults with imaginary friends are stupid". No matter how brilliant, anyone who disagrees with you is stupid. Their postulation invalid. That says more about you than them. Pointless non-discussion. Bye
@MMTMarkseeing and observing are two different things. i like how you tried to equate yourself to einstein with the suggestion that "god belief is a logical deduction", thats the funniest thing i've heard in weeks. thanlks.now you want to tell me how to think scientifically? youre funny. i already told you not to appeal to authority. its fallacy, if you had a bit more understanding of fallacy, i wouldnt have to keep correcting you.ive disected every arguemnt you've made, to pointless
@executionerofgod So, you continue to engage. Why? If I'm so funny, silly and stupid, why waste your time crushing my stupid contentions with your rapier-like intelligence. Need the ego fix? It would be impossible for you to find God because there wouldn't be enough room for Him and you, which is probably why you don't have the courage to try. Perhaps He'll be gracious enough to find you.
@executionerofgod I avoid anger because the Bible shows me why I should avoid it. I don't hate you because the Bible shows me that I should love my fellow man as myself. I even went to church and prayed for you. Before I, wait for it, yes, found God, at 36, I might have been just as you described. Yes, I am a changed man. Of course, you'd know this because, by logical deduction, you, too, come from a family of "primitive", "stupid" people just like me. Calling me stupid is a compliment from you.
@MMTMarks i never described you as stupid. i described christian belief as primitive superstition and it does make quite a few claims that i consider stupid. you found god at 36. i was a christian for probably longer than youve been one: 22 years. i just couldnt keep making excuses for the things that made no sense. i wont deny that christian belief can seem to have a positive effect on ome ppl, but those ppl dont know that it was them all along, that simply changed their attitude.
@executionerofgod I'm 60 now - the maths is easy - old enough, in or out of Christianity, not to fall for the superstition, tradition, manipulation, falsehood, etc., etc. that can accompany anything put in the hands of man. My list is probably longer than yours and it's those falsehoods that smother the truth, so it is almost no longer visible, but that doesn't mean it is no longer there. The Bible highlights the duplicity and stupidity of man. It also reveals the love and grace of God.
@MMTMarks "your rapier-like intelligence. ' that sounds like somethin i would say. its ok to think about stuff like this. its ok to question it. there's no reason why an omniscient god would value gullibility. would a benevolent god banish you to eternal torture for seeking truth byond what youre told? einstein was smarter than both of us. he was a deist and like any logical person, he could see the bible for exactly what it was.
@MMTMarks ive never seen logic or critical thought before, never saw gravitational sigularity, have long since understaoof that our existence in this universe proves that other beings coiuld exist. your arguments are silly. for the last few days, youve tried to convince, me, a critical thinker, that the bible is the word of a god, and that christian belief is rational. youve failed horribly. now you want to sit here and pretend that is dont understand the premise of science.
@executionerofgod "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views. " Albert Einstein
"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system, I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance." Sir Isaac Newton
@MMTMarks yes galileo shouldve pretended that his conclusions were the result of blind belief. he would never have been placed under house arrest by those who despise reason.
@executionerofgod chapter being written by man was was 1:100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. In fact, he challenged the intelligencia to equal it. Disregarding that and ironically, my experience, when I have been fortunate enough to have all my needs met, is that there is still more. Something that is not satisfied by all the applied logic you can throw at it. A void from another dimension. I know there is a dark spiritual side, having seen it in action. I seemed logical that there could be another
@executionerofgod side. In seeking that out, I found that an old book written by forty different authors over thousands of years, contained more insight into that world than anything else and ultimately lead me to a spiritual experience that has changed my life completely. This coincidentally fulfills a promise in this old book of seek and you WILL find. The starting point is not being so headstrong as to be closed in thinking. That'll be when you begin to get insight into another dimension.
@MMTMarks all this amounts to is appeals to belief. nothing novel in todays arguments. auto fail again for jesus. yup, old books do lead to "spiritual ex[periences". i can declare myself the winner now. you have not shown that the bible is the word of a god, was inspired by a god, or had anything to do with any god that you have yet to demonstrate the existence of. i hope you understand the whys of your failure here. Guard Breasts You
@MMTMarks of course my beliefs stand up to critical analysis. they are based on critical analysis. this is how i go about choosing what should be accepted, whats should be rejected, and the difference between fact and superstition. my understanding of reality is not based on a two thousand year old book of stories, meant to teach morality. you dont seem to understand that the deities of christian mythology are just anthropomorphic representations ,ascribed human attribute
@MMTMarks of course my life has purpose and fulfillment. "from the crdle to the grave? life is a learning experience. its not always fulfilling. it has its ups and downs. in weighing both i'd say of course life is fulfilling, and not because of what written in some olf book, but because of experiencing life itself. do you care if what you believe is true? i care if the ideas in my head accurately represent the reality if my existence. i'm not a child and need not coddling. only understanding
@MMTMark LMAO. what an utter waste of time you are, you have convinced me of nothing. from yoru first comment to your last, you have not proven that the bible is the word of a god, because you cannot. accepting the bible and all its claims , depends on blind belief. its that simple. look up circular reasoning while youre at it. only a fool would believe the bible is the word of a god, just because thats written therein. take care
@executionerofgod OK, if you think critically, then it is a logical deduction that (assuming you do not believe a big bang that came from nothing is responsible for every everything - an equally illogical deduction) a God who is interested in us would like us to be interested in Him, too, isn't it? If we are interested in someone, we usually want to have a relationship of some kind. How, then, would such a God make himself known to people in ways to which they could relate, as human beings?
@executionerofgod You are not a bad executioner, except that you yourself use the power of the pen to promote your views, so why can't our friend represent God doing this through man in the same way? Wouldn't God, if he exists, choose to speak through men to other men? And if God exists, who are you to tell God how he should communicate with man? Maybe God wants you to know truth that so far you have failed to grasp?
@PaulStewartRattray first, i am not telling anyone what to do. is disbelief a view? or is it a rejection of something that makes no sense? in this case no, and yes. now i dont enetertain any thoughts as to what an all powerful god would or could do. you and i both know the aevery book ever written is a product of man. divine inspiration is something that cant be demonstrated true. if you believe that sort of thing, how do you reconcile it. i dont believe it because there's no reason to.
@PaulStewartRattray why would a god, who talked the sun into existence, need men to complete any task? it doesnt make sense. there is no evidence of a hgod so theres no need to entertain the possibility of a god 's existence. in a pracricle sense, we know god doesnt exts. i have no beliefe justified in irrationalism. maybe god doesnt exist. something demonstrated by man and your god . if god belief was rational, christianity wouldnt stress the importanc of self deception , aka "faith"
The verse reads: "Every Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for convincing, for correction of error, and for instruction in right doing" (Weymouth New Testament translation).
It is Scripture that corrects and reproofs us. Best.
@visionfudge Um I used the codex sinaiticus bibles translation um i think one thats backed up by a scroll well how does it apply to ezekiel 23 verse 19-21 please tell me? I would never read that to my daughter or Son and give them ideas !
I'm a Christian but also think evolution happened. i think the bible has some contradictions and that Jesus not the bible is the perfect word of God. Paul had some viewsthat are different from todays views on christianity like someone who is sexually immoral should be cast out of the christian community before they spread their filthy sin around, because they sinned against the body of christ. today the church accepts sexually immoral within its ranks. i read the bible but humanity imperect.
of course. a book saying you must kill whoever do something useful during sabbath is definitely the word of YOUR god. (i thought it was a joke, but its definitely written ! exodus 35:2 3, numbers 15:32 6)
my god doesn't endorse that ! my god inspires me respect and tolerance to other people.
@AmericanNohbuddy Thanks for your comment... Contradictions? I once thought so myself - until I dug deeper. I've come to learn there are no contradictions in the Bible - but there are a number of paradoxes - statements that, at first glance, appear false, but upon deeper review ring so true.
That's how it is with God. You pursue Him, but He's really pursuing you. You strive to be holy, but HE makes you holy. He saves your life, but really He is giving you NEW life! Pretty cool, I reckon! :)
Serious scholars attest that the amount of scrutiny the canonised bible has been given over the centuries is sufficient to conclude it is the most tested, accurate historical document mankind has which gives evidence to the life and words of people of faith and the places they lived and worked. Also it is evidence that Jesus Christ lived and died and rose again from the dead, just as other historical manuscripts attest. Can I trust the Bible? With my life I can!
@ladygagaschwa It wasn't supposed to be convincing, because this topic doesn't require much thought at all, it's common sensual information if you have a highschool diploma, or even a G.E.D
The bible is a bunch of popular myths It takes all the popular stories of other cultures then proclaim it is a part of theirs
It does not even match the jewish culture stories which they further altered their myths.
Every single primary bible story happened elsewhere just slightly reworded kinda like changing all the OH's in coka cola to ZEROS and now calling it Not coka cola
google 'The Egyptian Book Of the dead' Includes numerous gods being killed and resurrected, and preaching, heaven, their fathers and how to get there. Also preaching against evel, and Hell. it also contains numerous miracle births, raising the dead and so on, And Every bible commandment even the vague and misleading ones along with a 'creation' story almost identical to the bible. Only Ra and other gods doing it
@graffffik This question is answered by the bibliographical test. This test looks at the number of existing manuscript copies there are, their agreement with each other concerning the text that they are copies of, and the time interval between these copies and the date of the original writing. All scholars agree that this test has conclusively established that the biblical text which we have now is identical to what was originally recorded (for both Old and New Testaments).
@devante11 Paul is merely contrasting the commands which have already been given by the Lord Jesus while He was on earth with the new commands that Paul is now giving.
Thus, he is not denying inspiration, but rather is simply quoting the words of Christ to prove his point.
In verse 25 Paul gives his opinion, but this does not mean that it is not an inspired opinion - one which "by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy."
Paul?????????? whos that???? I thought it was word of a god ...LMAO
ERM nothing was given from this fictional character called god or jesus......hence jesus never wrote anything himself and nor did your god
Paul gives his opinion?????? whos paul again???????? I thought it was a word of god
No command has been given thats why MAN (Paul) gives his own opinion...if a command was given by a jesus character or a god character..paul would not being giving his judgement
Paul is not contrasting commands already given.......thats why he is giving his own commands/judgements, his OWN words...that he gives WITHOUT command and WITHOUT authority and without ANYTHING guiding him
Furthermore, no all powerful it/thing...needs man to do anything for it.....hence man is more power than any gods in mythology...man can write books LMAO, always has and always will do
RA created the universe because Men Etched it into stone 3000 BCE and their Chisels were magically imbued by Ra the creator
Horus was the messiah Because he magically imbued the writers Chisels in same place to tell his tales as 'The Messiah'
And unlike 'The bible' these stories are by original authors and have never been edited. Unlike the bible which has been edited, and re-edited and re-edited and re-edited and changed, altered skewed and so on
By your argument the Chisel was inspired by RA when Ra created the universe in 3000 BCE and RA magically imbued the chisel of the authors to write about the 'true creator' of the universe and how -HE- created it
As well as the Messiah Horus imbued the writers of 'The Egyptian Book Of the dead' and the chisels of the writers of the Pyramid texts describing his miracles as 'the messiah'
And unlike the billions of times altered 'bible' these stories are by the original authors
To find out whether a Holy Book is or not from God, you don't really have to go in to trouble searching the evidence and history back to time where it was existed. All you need to find out is weather the book can changed your life and become a blessing for you when you discovered them. the Bible does changes and becomes a blessing to many lifes.
To find out whether a Holy Book is or not from God, you don't really have to go in to trouble searching the evidence and history back to time where it was existed. All you need to find out is weather the book can changed your life and become a blessing for you when you discovered them. the Bible does change and become blessing to many lifes.
im not sure how much of it is true but it is incredible that a book written 2000 years ago can predict so many events. I think it deserves a fair hearing at least.
@Imogenhutchinsable Hi there - the Scriptures themselves say "ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God." We have to trust it is all God-breathed - even the parts we mightn't like so much ;)
The bible, like all mythology, did NOT literally come from some external creator 'being' that used 'men' as his writing tool. It came from the depths of OUR being and like all mythology, was shaped by the cultures of the people who wrote it. It points to universal human truths and says far more about US as thinking, feeling human beings than it does about 'God'.
Hufflewaffle 2 days ago
wtf!
beliebigerusername 3 months ago
I don't belive modern, smart people still belive in god/gods... Thats just stupid!
ZboneWalker 6 months ago
Awesome video brother! love your explanations. keep the love going out.
GrandmaKittyWalkers 9 months ago
@visionfudge So what about the Quran?
PepsiSh0tproductions 9 months ago
@PepsiSh0tproductions There are a lot of religious books out there, but only the Bible is the Word of God - which is true. Thanks for watching.
visionfudge 8 months ago
@visionfudge "only the Bible is the Word of God" Really? if Bible was the word of God why did men revise the Bible ! There are parts in it that are actually from the God but - Jesus said in the bible "When he, the spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth; for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear (from God), that shall he speak, and he will show you things to come" - talking about Muhammed and the Quran(Guider in arabic).
leo10acm 1 month ago
@leo10acm With respect, you are taking the Bible out of context.
The Spirit of truth is the Holy Spirit of God. This is the same Spirit mentioned in John 14:17 and 26. It is not speaking of any man.
As for revising the Bible - it is true that the Bible has been translated into many languages and translations, but the original text itself is all God-breathed/inspired by God (2 Timothy 3:16).
visionfudge 3 weeks ago in playlist HONEST TO GOD
You're like EdwardCurrent except for you're serious.
Also, nice effects and soundtrack in the video.
olmoscd 10 months ago
Wow. I love how you explain things! i try to explain things to my friends, but it never makes sence, not event to me.
tawnabawna 10 months ago 5
@kevinxsalerno Science changes with new information and technology. The Bible does not. At least I can trust it to be the same tomorrow - it hasn't let me down yet!
georgebarry007 11 months ago
Jesus came onto the Earth and suffered like all the rest of us. He was in the desert for forty days and was tempted by the devil. He also had the most painful and unfair death with false testimonies. He died for our sins and then was raised to life to put us right with God. It is our fault, through greed and other means that there are starving children suffering in Africa and other countries. God gave us choice of how we are to live our lives. The Narrow path to heaven or the wide path to hell.
slemisthebest 1 year ago
Take the gospels - if they, the disciples had made up the whole story, including the resurrection – well then we'd have to believe that a group of completely uneducated, inarticulate fishermen created the single-most enduring book ever written. In an eloquent & literary style and profoundness that surpasses Shakespeare, Dante & Tolkien combined! All, without the help of the supernatural intervention & divine inspiration of God? In other words, I don't think so.
It is the word of God.
WillMcGregorTV 1 year ago
@WillMcGregorTV you think the bible was written by a god? if not you think that means it was written by desert nomads? do you have any idea how man times the bible has been edited, or how many versions there are, of the woord of god? men edited and collate the word of your god? Who decided which books should be included and which excluded from the Bible? Why are there differences in the Bibles for Catholics, Protestants, and Jews? what powers the lie, is the desire for truth and comfort
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod
They lacked apostolic or prophetic authorship; they did not claim to be the Word of God; they contain unbiblical concepts such as prayer for the dead in 2 Macc. 12:45-46; or have some serious historical inaccuracies. These books were never authoritative, inspired, or authentically written by either the Jewish Prophets or the Christian Apostles. They weren't lost nor were they removed from the Bible because they were never in the Bible to begin with.
davitodude 9 months ago
Anyone who can demonstrate that the bible is the word of a God, without lies, error, fallcy, emotional appeals or slander, let me know. so far no one here has accomplished this, even with ad hom, circular, reasoning or anythng else.
Give it a try.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
I've checked it out. I believed it with all of my heart for most of my life. But as it turns out, the Bible is filled with errors almost too many to count. I wanted it to be true. But it just isn't. I'm sorry but your claim is untenable.
deSkepticon 1 year ago
BTW @visionfudge the prayer for his soul is just to make you feel you've done all your can because God also said, “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces." You have spoken the Truth and God will work in the hearts of those whom He has chosen. Your antagonist's nom de plume betrays his intent.
NOWIsItJustMe 1 year ago
@NOWIsItJustMe my intent is only towards critical thinking. you have proven me right in your commentary. thanks. i should consider the bible true and authoritative why? because it says it is the word of a god? written by men exactly like us. circular. primitive superstition is this god and all gods, all born in the minds of the men its condemns as ignraont, stupid, swine, etc./ no reasoning with some ppl. irrationlism rules truth right? take care
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@NOWIsItJustMe when you can demonstrate the existence of any god, let me know. a cowards condemnation is in no way impressive. keep condemning those unavailable to oppose. if that aint piety!
executionerofgod 1 year ago
many ppl have prayed for me. it hasnt changed anything. every other word out of my moms mouth is jesus. look up "the efficacy of prayer", you may learn something. anything positive that can be achieved with religion, can be without it. attribute your triumphs to the person who actually triumphed. not a god. man doesnt understand himself or his potential. pray for the christian children who starve and die of diseases. ppl prayed for them for a long time. their suffering has no plan. cyaz
executionerofgod 1 year ago
being stupid and believeing something stupid are two different things. there are all kinds of arguments for god belief but what ppl believe is there business. as long as theyre arent hurting anyone, i dont care but religion doesnt effect everyone in the same way. its interpreted selectively , and everyone has their own idea of what god is and what god wants. even ppl of the same religion. religion is a torment to some, to others justifcation for violence, it has many outdated ideas.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod All evidence has faith too. Every belief system, whether it includes the supernatural or not, has foundational elements which are not proven. Even a naturalist worldview that relies on science must accept many things without evidence. They have to believe that their way of determining what is true is the best way... and believe/trust the results of other scientists. A complete skeptic will never get anywhere in science. Faith and reason are not opposed to one another.
visionfudge 1 year ago 5
my way of thinking is based on scientific methodology. yours is based on blind belief of ancient biblical nonsesne. one of us is definitley blind. try to gain a contemporary scientific view of life in the only reality you'll ever know. i know youve been convinced that blind belief and mental enslavement leads to eternal life. i'll dissect that nonsense as well, if you like. you should thank me. i am the servant of truth, logic, and critical thought. i seek understanding & expose superstition.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
the fact remains. your superstitious god belief is irrationalist thinking. this is not the thinking that spawned, computers, medical advancement like vaccines, or advanced technology. if everyone thought like you, we'd still be praying to cure bubonic plague victims, it was your way of thinking that banned science, spread superstition by genocide. observation has given us everything that you attribute to an invisible, illogical, genocidal, petty, ignorant, and jealous god.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
remember, einstein referred to the bible as a childish collection of writing. if you think of the bible as a god's guide to the galaxy. you fail,. if you think of the bible as a book meant to promote a certain morality, you succeed.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
you know what i'm saying is true. but none of this means you cant continue to believe what you do. your beliefs arent based on the weight of reason anyway.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
christian belief is rooted in irrationalism. its inherently dishonest. if you understand that you are an irrationalist, you shouldnt care what the reality of things is. you should continue to view things in anyway that you find emotionally appealing. thats what compells you. not critical thought. accepting xtian doctrine comforts you. having that belief demonstrated, irrational, disturbs you. you blindly believe . a lie becomes true, if you believe it. i reject superstition. you accept it
executionerofgod 1 year ago
No mistakes? Hmm..What day did Jesus die? The day AFTER Jesus ate the passover meal with his disciples as clearly stated in Mark. Or the day BEFORE the passover meal (when the lambs were being slaughtered in preparation) as explicitly stated in John?
This is contradiction #1 out of thousands. I look forward to hearing you reconcile these two contradictory accounts without doing violence to the text.
bdwilson1000 1 year ago
let me say one last thing. those who believed that "zeus created the world from a slain giant's eyebrow", dont make this claim more likely to be true. we dont have to set about proving the claims of every religion false. they have to prove their claims true. if those claims bear no truth, they can stress the importance of blind belief. belief justified irrationally. belief like yours. the nonsense filling your head doesnt rewrite the rules of epistemology. but faithfully pretend it does.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
if you say "i believe men wriote the bible and i believe and it conatins provable science". thats fine, you are free to believe whatever but when you assert these things from a position of certainty, you better be ready to demonstrate it true, whithout the need for an irrationalist audience.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
if you choose to believe the bible was "inspired by a god", thats one thing. youre completely free to do that. but when you start trying to convince others of this, you better damn well have more than repetition, emotional appeals, and appeals to ignorance. there is no rational reason to believe this. blind belief makes the claim no more likely to be true. it just suspends the only mechanism by which you may weigh the evidence for this claim. there is none
executionerofgod 1 year ago
there is one relevant question here. "is the bible the word of a god?" . the obvious answer: no, it is a production of man. thats all there is to it. those who assert it as the word of a god, need demonstrate that it is. knowing it was written by men, i do not have to demonstrate that it is not the word of a god. blind belief does not change the origin of the bible. irrationalism changes nothing.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
another claim in this video is that the bible is full of scientific facts. assuming that vision really believes this, it is not reflected by the reality. "god would do this and that" are appeals to beliefs that i do not have. its pure fallacy. thats something else that religious apologists rely on.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@NonStampCollector Interesting observation from one who does not collect stamps so presumably does not write letters? While demonic possession can be explained as being caused by other psychosomatic phenomena, there is no doubting people's fascination with the occult and anyone who has counselled people with problems arising from occultic activities recognise that their are some explained phenomena that can be spiritual in origin. Read some of the writings of Dr Kurt Koch, for example.
PaulStewartRattray 1 year ago
@NonStampCollector Demonic possession is the tool god used to get people sick. Like when you write a letter with a pen. (Sorry. That was me trying to the use the logic of this vid)
MsScienceFTW 1 year ago
@MsScienceFTW So... God used to use demonic possession to get people sick, but now he uses microscopic organisms and bacteria to do the same job and inflict the same illnesses. Got it.
And... hold on back up. God used a "tool" to "get people sick". God wanted people to be sick, and He used "tools" to achieve that end. This is the same God that "is love", right?
What "tools" do you recommend I use to make my own children "get sick" when I want to, out of love?
NonStampCollector 1 year ago
@NonStampCollector You're completely right, NonStampCollector! I recommend letting your kids know you love them by:
A) Letting them eat anything with B17 (this stuff cures cancer, after all. Thanks, Kent!)
or
B) Just take anything from the Book of Job and use it. (Let your enemy ruin your kids life for the hell of it. It worked for God!)
(Also, make sure you show your love to any gay children you might have by...well...killing them. After all, they deserve it!)
MsScienceFTW 1 year ago
nothing that withstands scrutiny, is believed by faith. its justified in irrationlism. youve provn you'll say anything. stop preaching and try to be honest, unless you'll burn eternally for it.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
men use pens. so how does that demonstrate that a god used men to write the bible? it does not. you wouldve done better to leave this fallacious video unproduced. that way, you could at least pretend your not a fool
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod The point being, God used men to write the Scriptures, in much the same way we might use a pen to write a letter. It's [Scripture] still God's writings. "Every Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for convincing, for correction of error, and for instruction in right doing" 2 Timothy 3:16.
visionfudge 1 year ago
@visionfudge what kind of fool believes a book is the product of a god, just because that is written in the book?(circular nonsense). you have to be the most gullible fool in the universe to believe that. if the book said it was inspired by werewolves, you'd gladly accept it as a guide to the galaxy. its always sad when a grown man is gullible and without the ability to think critically. religion was invented when the first con, met the first fool. "inspired by god" lmao. wanna buy a bridge?
executionerofgod 1 year ago
learn to think critically. there's no claim that cannot be questionedy. you let others tell you, what "you must believe". why would an all knowing god value , human gullibility? there is no reason to believe this. there is nothing that cant be questioned. do you accept every claim you hear? you give special exemption to religious claims. you must, because if you questioned them, you'd see that theyre nonsense without rational justification. its mythology
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod With respect, that's where you're wrong. I do think critically - I must do to distinguish between truth and falsehood (whether you agree with my findings or not). I encourage everyone to seek out the truth for themselves. The Bible continues to withstand the greatest scrutiny and I have found that I can trust it. Cheers.
visionfudge 1 year ago
@visionfudge if you know that know that men wrote the book that you refer to as "inspired by god", you do not think criticaally. "falsehood" is whatever anyone says it is, but the truth is not. now then. as a normal human being , you cannot know what inspired anyone to do anything. we both know that"it was inspired by god" is not a notion that struck you randomly. someone made this assertion , with nothing to demonstrate ittrue., and you blindly believed it. you failed to analyze it.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
you kow what i am saying is true and it requires not "faith". only critical analysis. you are not a critical thinker. you were indoctrinated into a bronze age belief system, compelled to believe it and reject demonstrable truth in it's favor. it is a fear-cultivating, "join me or die" ideology, that proliferates an "end times" world view. its imaginary "salvation" is based on human sacrifice, its doctrine , riddiled with atrocity, misogyny and barbarity. think 4 yourself. unless youre scared.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@visionfudge good suggestion, everyone should seek out the truth for themselves. I did and believe that the bible was inspired by God
otnateos 1 year ago
@executionerofgod OK, if you think critically, then it is a logical deduction that (assuming you do not believe a big bang that came from nothing is responsible for every everything - an equally illogical deduction) a God who is interested in us would like us to be interested in Him, too, isn't it? If we are interested in someone, we usually want to have a relationship of some kind. How, then, would such a God make himself known to people in ways to which they could relate, as human beings?
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks if you think critically and have any understanding of the big bang theory, you'd know that cosmologists say the only thing necessary to cause the singularity's expansion, is gravity. the big bang theory was proposed by monsignor georges lemeitre. a preist and scientist. the theory neither necessitates nor excludes a god, so its a nonfactor, in the debate as to whether the bible makes sense, and is a guide to reality, like some ppl believe. same goes for evolution,/
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod I find it fundamental to whether the Bible makes sense because, if cosmologist and lemeitre assertions are a non factor, then we are left in search of a rational explanation to one of the Bible's basic tenets - that God made the heavens and the earth. Is it or isn't it true? If it is not, then what is the truth of the matter by critical examination? Or is there nothing that can be proved, thereby opening the way to a belief by faith - another tenet of the Bible?
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks do you need to consider lemeiter's theory to know if donkeys and snakes talk? do you need to consider the value of the life and potential of a child, to know whether or not you should stone them if theyre unruly? youre assuming that the bible is a guide to the galxy. i do not. there is no reason to consider the bible true or authoritative in the first place. "calling it the word of a god" , makes it no less ridiculous.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod Then what is truth? Is it your perception of reality which, of course, differs from others? Is it the way you feel, which differs from others? Is there an absolute truth? If not, then are we all living out our own truth or lie? The Bible claims to be absolute truth. Based on what truth are you calling it ridiculous?
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks demonstrate that the bible is the word of a god. go ahead . when you have done this , let me know.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod I think we both know that you can't prove your base for truth or disprove the Bible is the word of God, just as I can't prove it. The fact is the value of almost anything is based on one thing - confidence, whether it be money, property, a partner or a belief. Confidence can grow or be shattered based on what we learn and experience - a market collapse, an unfaithful partner, whatever. My experience is that the Bible is truth, so I am confident. Where does your confidence lie?
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks the fact that the bible was written by men, proves its not the word of a god. just as every corpse proves that life is not eternal. just because ppl made up lies to convince otherwise, doesnt change the demonstrative facts of the matter. youcan believe that rain falls upward. that doesnt change the facts. now then . you havent demonstrated that the bible is the word of a god. you fail. we both know the bible was written by men. every book was. which proves my point. case closed
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod Do science and medical books have to be written by the person who makes the discovery to be true? How many books did Einstein write? Please don't assume everyone accepts church dogma as truth - it doesn't always accord with the Bible, the book in question. Also, if a corpse proves life is not eternal, then you can clearly only believe what you see or feel and will be blind to anything that is spiritual or unseen. Yet, I'd bet you believe in radio waves and wireless internet?
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks keep talking. its one fallacy after another with you. men wrotethe bible,. it is the word of man. its that simple. look up occam's razor. maybe youcan get anh idea, why we dont have to leap from man, the known author of all books, to a god, for which there is not an iota of evidence. look up "appeal to belief" too. you keep mistaking me for a christian. it should be obvious that i dont believe what you do.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod With your sign in and comments, how could I mistake you for a Christian? You keep quoting books, repeating the same stuff written by other, yes, men. You are keen to knock my beliefs but don't seem to have the courage to state your beliefs. Do they stand up to the same critical examination of evidence like fulfilled prophecy? I know what my beliefs have done for me. What have yours done for you? Does your life have a purpose and fulfillment between the cradle and the grave?
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks of course my beliefs stand up to critical analysis. they are based on critical analysis. this is how i go about choosing what should be accepted, whats should be rejected, and the difference between fact and superstition. my understanding of reality is not based on a two thousand year old book of stories, meant to teach morality. you dont seem to understand that the deities of christian mythology are just anthropomorphic representations ,ascribed human attributes.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod Thanks. I would have probably written the same answer some years ago. I tried to say before that our critical analysis is still subject to our experience of reality. OK, the hang up seems to be that men wrote the book. Accepted. But did they write the truth? I've read Ivan Panin's attempt to disprove the Bible. He was a mathematician and Hebrew & Greek letter have numerical values. He ended up concluding that the Bible is mathematical perfection and the chance of just one
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks i have no hangs with the fact that men wrote the bible. io just know that it is impossible to believe its the word of a god, without self deception. there's no reason to believe that. there's no evidentiary justification. there is no rational justification. if the bible is written truth, it wouldnt be fiull of mistakes attributed selectively to it being a product of primitive man. a lot of tap dancing is done in this regard. its the word of a god who doesnt know the simplest things
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@MMTMarks thats an "appeal to authority".this claim doesnt reduce the bible to perfection. now, of course, i'm not gonna do a line by line audit of the bible here. flat earth, heliocentricity and talking donkeys, aside. prove the bible is the word of a god. thats all you have to do. so far you fail. i would be impressed by the mathematical perfectoion if a book of physics. not a book of stories subject to connection at the very least
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod A bit of confusion here. It was science that was stating the earth was flat while all the time the Bible said, Isaiah 40:22: It is He who sits on the circle of the earth. Also, Dr Ivan Panin was a Russian Nihilist, Harvard scholar and a mathematician. You fail if I fail because you cannot prove your base either. You are understandably limited by evidence of only what you see and feel. Do you prefer to remain blind to the possibility of another dimension that has answers?
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks maybe it was your science stating the world was flat. not mine. in 1492 columbus sailed and proved thats the world was round. astronomers new the world was round in the 9th century
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@MMTMarks we both know my position is proven by the reality that all books are written by men, they are the words of men. you apply a special irrationally justified conclusion to a book (written by men), you have chosen to accept as "the word of a god", because the men who wrote the book, wrote it in the book.. be honest.
i win, you lose. but why you'd try to justify such an irrational position, i'll never know. God Bless you.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod The men who wrote the Bible knew the earth wasn't flat before Christ - that's before the 9th century and, as you point out they were "primitive". Who gave them that knowledge? Who enabled these primitives to foretell events thousands of years before they happened. Win, lose, win, lose! It seems like an obsession with you. Before you mention it, I didn't arrive at my faith out of fear of a God but rather love of a God who demonstrates He loves me. One of us has already won.
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks what youve won is the realization that theres no rational justification for the belief that the bible was divinely inspired. thats all there is to it. persist in fallacious,appeals to authority and you still lose.
what you term "faith" is but self deception. this is how a person comes to a place where his entire view of reality is distorted and manipulated by ancient biblical nonsense and its purveyors. if youre ever overcome by honesty, let me know.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod Where the Bible was not available, e.g. early Christians and recent China, Christianity thrived. The Bible just confirms the truth which is God. Invent your own by all means but it is your truth not THE truth. Without God, you cannot know the truth. THE truth changes lives for good and that is greater evidence than you can offer. It makes primitive people smarter than highly educated ones and cannot be distorted or manipulated because truth is truth. And yours? I prefer mine.
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks you fail to demonstrate that the bible is the word of a god, from there you descend into pure preachery. thanks. you'd think i havent heard this shit countless times in the last 30 some years. keep it up. i can safely say you have nothing to offer me. your god is imaginary. goodbye
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod Yeah, I get it now. You continue to ask for the same proof that we both agree cannot be given, so you can say "I won". Congratulations! BIG win! For a while I thought you were more than a broken record.
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks if the proof cannot be given, then theres no reason to conclude that the bible, written, collated, and edited by men, is the word of a god. its not my fault that there's no rational justification for your position, that a god caused ideas to spring into the heads of desert nomads.. how could you confirm that? you cant, but you blindly accept it. you reach magical conclusions by suspending reason. you compartmentalize. u value the conclusions of critical thought, when they suit you.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod I'd regard Newton, Einstein and Galileo as critical thinkers. Hardly desert nomads.
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks einstein was a deist. newton was a compartmentalizing christian. the physical laws are based on observations, not blind belief. newton was a known alchemist who tried more than one way to unlock the mysteries of nature. dont appeal to authority, its fallacy.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod I'm happy to have arrived at the same logical deductions as eminent physicist - there is a God. Because we can't prove that to you, you say it's our imagination. You are limited to what you see and feel and seem unable to extend your mind to the same logical deduction so obvious to scientific giants. How do you cope with radio images from the Hubble telescope? What an incredibly small world you live in with your view of critical thinking. Blanket statements, no possibilities.
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks your conclusion is nowhere near einsteins'. his "god" is nature. newton's christianity, like yours is likely incedental. neither is based on the weight of evidence. notice how newton's laws endure and how ppl are still accepting christianity by blind belief
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@MMTMarks there is nothing logical in deducing that a god exists. we already covered that. remember what i said about dishonesty? you cant prove it to me and you cant prove it to yourself. though you can have 'faith"( aka self deception) . i am not limited by what i observe, but you can make that claim as if your primitive superstition allows you to see something real, that is imperceptible to me. just more fallacy
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@MMTMarks "extend your mind to the same logical deduction so obvious to scientific giants. " if you god is a logical deduction, logically explain why "faith" is necessary? is faith the substance of things unseen, or things nonexistent? :) there is no reason to believe in you god but you can. i dont mind. ytou have demonstrated a dependence on christian mythology. you show that it is the gauge by which you weigh all things. thats cool but its a conlcusion void of honesty.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod i already said you may contuinue believeing in your god. though this belief is inherently dishonest, its ok with me., i come from a family of christians. now then. you dont have to admit that your views are silly primitive superstition, or that god belief is not a logical deduction. i just wonder what i should say to you, because i see you are disturbed by the reality of your beliefs and your god. take the red pill and believe anything you want. desire dictates your "truth"
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod Your "truth" is what you can deduce from what you see. If science worked on that basis, we'd never discover anything. No possibility. Life in outer space can only exist when you see it, right? Some of the most brilliant minds postulate concerning God. You reduce them and me to "Adults with imaginary friends are stupid". No matter how brilliant, anyone who disagrees with you is stupid. Their postulation invalid. That says more about you than them. Pointless non-discussion. Bye
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarkseeing and observing are two different things. i like how you tried to equate yourself to einstein with the suggestion that "god belief is a logical deduction", thats the funniest thing i've heard in weeks. thanlks.now you want to tell me how to think scientifically? youre funny. i already told you not to appeal to authority. its fallacy, if you had a bit more understanding of fallacy, i wouldnt have to keep correcting you.ive disected every arguemnt you've made, to pointless
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod So, you continue to engage. Why? If I'm so funny, silly and stupid, why waste your time crushing my stupid contentions with your rapier-like intelligence. Need the ego fix? It would be impossible for you to find God because there wouldn't be enough room for Him and you, which is probably why you don't have the courage to try. Perhaps He'll be gracious enough to find you.
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks relax. i sent you a message. hopefully you read it. anger is a terrible thing.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod I avoid anger because the Bible shows me why I should avoid it. I don't hate you because the Bible shows me that I should love my fellow man as myself. I even went to church and prayed for you. Before I, wait for it, yes, found God, at 36, I might have been just as you described. Yes, I am a changed man. Of course, you'd know this because, by logical deduction, you, too, come from a family of "primitive", "stupid" people just like me. Calling me stupid is a compliment from you.
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks i never described you as stupid. i described christian belief as primitive superstition and it does make quite a few claims that i consider stupid. you found god at 36. i was a christian for probably longer than youve been one: 22 years. i just couldnt keep making excuses for the things that made no sense. i wont deny that christian belief can seem to have a positive effect on ome ppl, but those ppl dont know that it was them all along, that simply changed their attitude.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod I'm 60 now - the maths is easy - old enough, in or out of Christianity, not to fall for the superstition, tradition, manipulation, falsehood, etc., etc. that can accompany anything put in the hands of man. My list is probably longer than yours and it's those falsehoods that smother the truth, so it is almost no longer visible, but that doesn't mean it is no longer there. The Bible highlights the duplicity and stupidity of man. It also reveals the love and grace of God.
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks OK then. Cyaz.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@MMTMarks "your rapier-like intelligence. ' that sounds like somethin i would say. its ok to think about stuff like this. its ok to question it. there's no reason why an omniscient god would value gullibility. would a benevolent god banish you to eternal torture for seeking truth byond what youre told? einstein was smarter than both of us. he was a deist and like any logical person, he could see the bible for exactly what it was.
dont hate me for my honesty.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@MMTMarks ive never seen logic or critical thought before, never saw gravitational sigularity, have long since understaoof that our existence in this universe proves that other beings coiuld exist. your arguments are silly. for the last few days, youve tried to convince, me, a critical thinker, that the bible is the word of a god, and that christian belief is rational. youve failed horribly. now you want to sit here and pretend that is dont understand the premise of science.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views. " Albert Einstein
"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system, I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance." Sir Isaac Newton
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@executionerofgod "To me the works of nature and of God are miraculous." - Galileo
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@MMTMarks yes galileo shouldve pretended that his conclusions were the result of blind belief. he would never have been placed under house arrest by those who despise reason.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod chapter being written by man was was 1:100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. In fact, he challenged the intelligencia to equal it. Disregarding that and ironically, my experience, when I have been fortunate enough to have all my needs met, is that there is still more. Something that is not satisfied by all the applied logic you can throw at it. A void from another dimension. I know there is a dark spiritual side, having seen it in action. I seemed logical that there could be another
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@executionerofgod side. In seeking that out, I found that an old book written by forty different authors over thousands of years, contained more insight into that world than anything else and ultimately lead me to a spiritual experience that has changed my life completely. This coincidentally fulfills a promise in this old book of seek and you WILL find. The starting point is not being so headstrong as to be closed in thinking. That'll be when you begin to get insight into another dimension.
MMTMarks 1 year ago
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@MMTMarks all this amounts to is appeals to belief. nothing novel in todays arguments. auto fail again for jesus. yup, old books do lead to "spiritual ex[periences". i can declare myself the winner now. you have not shown that the bible is the word of a god, was inspired by a god, or had anything to do with any god that you have yet to demonstrate the existence of. i hope you understand the whys of your failure here. Guard Breasts You
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@MMTMarks of course my beliefs stand up to critical analysis. they are based on critical analysis. this is how i go about choosing what should be accepted, whats should be rejected, and the difference between fact and superstition. my understanding of reality is not based on a two thousand year old book of stories, meant to teach morality. you dont seem to understand that the deities of christian mythology are just anthropomorphic representations ,ascribed human attribute
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@MMTMarks of course my life has purpose and fulfillment. "from the crdle to the grave? life is a learning experience. its not always fulfilling. it has its ups and downs. in weighing both i'd say of course life is fulfilling, and not because of what written in some olf book, but because of experiencing life itself. do you care if what you believe is true? i care if the ideas in my head accurately represent the reality if my existence. i'm not a child and need not coddling. only understanding
executionerofgod 1 year ago
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@MMTMark LMAO. what an utter waste of time you are, you have convinced me of nothing. from yoru first comment to your last, you have not proven that the bible is the word of a god, because you cannot. accepting the bible and all its claims , depends on blind belief. its that simple. look up circular reasoning while youre at it. only a fool would believe the bible is the word of a god, just because thats written therein. take care
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@MMTMarksthats something else that has nothing to do with the points i have made, and the point of this video.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
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@executionerofgod OK, if you think critically, then it is a logical deduction that (assuming you do not believe a big bang that came from nothing is responsible for every everything - an equally illogical deduction) a God who is interested in us would like us to be interested in Him, too, isn't it? If we are interested in someone, we usually want to have a relationship of some kind. How, then, would such a God make himself known to people in ways to which they could relate, as human beings?
MMTMarks 1 year ago
@executionerofgod You are not a bad executioner, except that you yourself use the power of the pen to promote your views, so why can't our friend represent God doing this through man in the same way? Wouldn't God, if he exists, choose to speak through men to other men? And if God exists, who are you to tell God how he should communicate with man? Maybe God wants you to know truth that so far you have failed to grasp?
PaulStewartRattray 1 year ago
@PaulStewartRattray first, i am not telling anyone what to do. is disbelief a view? or is it a rejection of something that makes no sense? in this case no, and yes. now i dont enetertain any thoughts as to what an all powerful god would or could do. you and i both know the aevery book ever written is a product of man. divine inspiration is something that cant be demonstrated true. if you believe that sort of thing, how do you reconcile it. i dont believe it because there's no reason to.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@PaulStewartRattray why would a god, who talked the sun into existence, need men to complete any task? it doesnt make sense. there is no evidence of a hgod so theres no need to entertain the possibility of a god 's existence. in a pracricle sense, we know god doesnt exts. i have no beliefe justified in irrationalism. maybe god doesnt exist. something demonstrated by man and your god . if god belief was rational, christianity wouldnt stress the importanc of self deception , aka "faith"
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod in a practical sense*
executionerofgod 1 year ago
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm wow He says it needs to be corrected and reproofed 2 timothy 3:16
and there are no mistakes
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really lol!
DrzeshanFarooqi 1 year ago
@DrzeshanFarooqi I think you've misunderstood the verse.
The verse reads: "Every Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for convincing, for correction of error, and for instruction in right doing" (Weymouth New Testament translation).
It is Scripture that corrects and reproofs us. Best.
visionfudge 1 year ago
@visionfudge Um I used the codex sinaiticus bibles translation um i think one thats backed up by a scroll well how does it apply to ezekiel 23 verse 19-21 please tell me? I would never read that to my daughter or Son and give them ideas !
DrzeshanFarooqi 1 year ago
@visionfudge and if you think that is appropriate for children then why is the bible banned in so man countries!
DrzeshanFarooqi 1 year ago
I'm a Christian but also think evolution happened. i think the bible has some contradictions and that Jesus not the bible is the perfect word of God. Paul had some viewsthat are different from todays views on christianity like someone who is sexually immoral should be cast out of the christian community before they spread their filthy sin around, because they sinned against the body of christ. today the church accepts sexually immoral within its ranks. i read the bible but humanity imperect.
Itsfaith33 1 year ago
of course. a book saying you must kill whoever do something useful during sabbath is definitely the word of YOUR god. (i thought it was a joke, but its definitely written ! exodus 35:2 3, numbers 15:32 6)
my god doesn't endorse that ! my god inspires me respect and tolerance to other people.
zecle 1 year ago
You do know the church decided what went into the bible right, even taking out other books? And the amount of contradictions found in the bible too?
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy Thanks for your comment... Contradictions? I once thought so myself - until I dug deeper. I've come to learn there are no contradictions in the Bible - but there are a number of paradoxes - statements that, at first glance, appear false, but upon deeper review ring so true.
That's how it is with God. You pursue Him, but He's really pursuing you. You strive to be holy, but HE makes you holy. He saves your life, but really He is giving you NEW life! Pretty cool, I reckon! :)
visionfudge 1 year ago
Serious scholars attest that the amount of scrutiny the canonised bible has been given over the centuries is sufficient to conclude it is the most tested, accurate historical document mankind has which gives evidence to the life and words of people of faith and the places they lived and worked. Also it is evidence that Jesus Christ lived and died and rose again from the dead, just as other historical manuscripts attest. Can I trust the Bible? With my life I can!
Rankanfile 1 year ago
God doesnt exist :D Game ovar
Dstock8106 1 year ago
@Dstock8106 wow....that was convincing
ladygagaschwa 1 year ago
@ladygagaschwa It wasn't supposed to be convincing, because this topic doesn't require much thought at all, it's common sensual information if you have a highschool diploma, or even a G.E.D
Dstock8106 1 year ago
God used people to write His words.
GraveyardGhost559 1 year ago
The video author is 100% wrong
because the bible is in fact an EDIT JOB
now -IF- it is real and 'inspired by the gods' as it is today that means it was false and not inspired by the gods in previous editions
So we throw out the testimony that it is inspired by the gods and the gods magically make the pens move for them
Because it has been constantly EDITED, your statement is utter nonsense
graffffik 1 year ago
@graffffik i'm with you, this guy is a joke!
gidgetgoes1128 1 year ago
@graffffik I think your getting history confused with an episode of Stargate.
NOWIsItJustMe 1 year ago 3
@NOWIsItJustMe Oh no I'm not
The bible is a bunch of popular myths It takes all the popular stories of other cultures then proclaim it is a part of theirs
It does not even match the jewish culture stories which they further altered their myths.
Every single primary bible story happened elsewhere just slightly reworded kinda like changing all the OH's in coka cola to ZEROS and now calling it Not coka cola
graffffik 1 year ago
@graffffik thats a bold statement. can you back it up?? i bet you can't
ladygagaschwa 1 year ago
@ladygagaschwa
The Bible Being 'Popular Myths' ? absolutly
google 'The Egyptian Book Of the dead' Includes numerous gods being killed and resurrected, and preaching, heaven, their fathers and how to get there. Also preaching against evel, and Hell. it also contains numerous miracle births, raising the dead and so on, And Every bible commandment even the vague and misleading ones along with a 'creation' story almost identical to the bible. Only Ra and other gods doing it
graffffik 1 year ago
@graffffik This question is answered by the bibliographical test. This test looks at the number of existing manuscript copies there are, their agreement with each other concerning the text that they are copies of, and the time interval between these copies and the date of the original writing. All scholars agree that this test has conclusively established that the biblical text which we have now is identical to what was originally recorded (for both Old and New Testaments).
visionfudge 1 year ago
@visionfudge
Blah Blah
The bible proves the Gods. Blah Blah the gods prove the bible
Harry Potter is REAL because there is numerous books and movies about it
Just because books say so. that makes Harry Potter REAL
all hail the Messiah Harry Potter
graffffik 1 year ago
@visionfudge
LMAO, Funny video.....the reason their are mistakes, is because its a man made book like any other book...its just a book
Nothing inspiring either in it.....just man giving his OWN opinion.....
1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord.
1 Corinthians 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment....
(cont)
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 Paul is merely contrasting the commands which have already been given by the Lord Jesus while He was on earth with the new commands that Paul is now giving.
Thus, he is not denying inspiration, but rather is simply quoting the words of Christ to prove his point.
In verse 25 Paul gives his opinion, but this does not mean that it is not an inspired opinion - one which "by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy."
visionfudge 1 year ago
@visionfudge
Paul?????????? whos that???? I thought it was word of a god ...LMAO
ERM nothing was given from this fictional character called god or jesus......hence jesus never wrote anything himself and nor did your god
Paul gives his opinion?????? whos paul again???????? I thought it was a word of god
No command has been given thats why MAN (Paul) gives his own opinion...if a command was given by a jesus character or a god character..paul would not being giving his judgement
devante11 1 year ago
@visionfudge
Paul is not contrasting commands already given.......thats why he is giving his own commands/judgements, his OWN words...that he gives WITHOUT command and WITHOUT authority and without ANYTHING guiding him
devante11 1 year ago
@visionfudge
Furthermore, no all powerful it/thing...needs man to do anything for it.....hence man is more power than any gods in mythology...man can write books LMAO, always has and always will do
devante11 1 year ago
@visionfudge
The first 6 seconds of this video are true ...the rest------------->>>>ARE ALL BULLSHIT :)
devante11 1 year ago
@visionfudge
Just someone giving his OWN instructions, his OWN commands, his OWN judgements.....and his OWN words...what he thought was right
Not to mention the sun going round the earth ...but lets not touch on that LMAO
devante11 1 year ago
RA created the universe because Men Etched it into stone 3000 BCE and their Chisels were magically imbued by Ra the creator
Horus was the messiah Because he magically imbued the writers Chisels in same place to tell his tales as 'The Messiah'
And unlike 'The bible' these stories are by original authors and have never been edited. Unlike the bible which has been edited, and re-edited and re-edited and re-edited and changed, altered skewed and so on
graffffik 1 year ago
By your argument the Chisel was inspired by RA when Ra created the universe in 3000 BCE and RA magically imbued the chisel of the authors to write about the 'true creator' of the universe and how -HE- created it
As well as the Messiah Horus imbued the writers of 'The Egyptian Book Of the dead' and the chisels of the writers of the Pyramid texts describing his miracles as 'the messiah'
And unlike the billions of times altered 'bible' these stories are by the original authors
graffffik 1 year ago
To find out whether a Holy Book is or not from God, you don't really have to go in to trouble searching the evidence and history back to time where it was existed. All you need to find out is weather the book can changed your life and become a blessing for you when you discovered them. the Bible does changes and becomes a blessing to many lifes.
gendul28 1 year ago
To find out whether a Holy Book is or not from God, you don't really have to go in to trouble searching the evidence and history back to time where it was existed. All you need to find out is weather the book can changed your life and become a blessing for you when you discovered them. the Bible does change and become blessing to many lifes.
gendul28 1 year ago
Read Quran .. As it is the only Holy Book that God Himself protects therefore it is not changed by Humans ..
Do read it (and translation too )and then judge if i am wrong or right ...
Gohardesign 1 year ago
im not sure how much of it is true but it is incredible that a book written 2000 years ago can predict so many events. I think it deserves a fair hearing at least.
dziredeffekt 1 year ago
yeah but how do we know how much of the bible is Gods inspiration and how much is the mind of man?
Imogenhutchinsable 1 year ago
@Imogenhutchinsable Hi there - the Scriptures themselves say "ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God." We have to trust it is all God-breathed - even the parts we mightn't like so much ;)
Thanks for commenting.
visionfudge 1 year ago
You make some good points
georgebarry007 1 year ago
The Bible is a Blessing ...
dimphinaify 1 year ago