@Desmond8043 well watch bat man begins and you'll know. The scene where Bruce vs ras al ghul. Bruce did know close quarters combat but opted for more distance in that instance and he got owned. Al Ras need to do was grab an arm or leg during a kick or quick punch, pull Bruce towards him an deliver a powerful blow that would know him to the ground, such as the head butt he used. Karate and tkd are obviously very good for people who opt to use their build for agility and quickness. But bigger guy
I love KFM, I think it's a brilliant style and I give a ton of credit to the founders for spending so much time to develop a more "thug like, street savvy" art. But, I also wonder, knowing that KFM is very much close-quarters, how would it hold up against an artist who excels at keeping their distance? Take an experienced TKD/Karate fighter, who is able to keep a sizable distance via a flurry of kicks -- how might KFM work then?
Ninjutsu is more of a life style than just fighting. Still if your talking about the Martial art in Ninjutsu than you are referring to the Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, which is a fighting system that actually covers all the things these guys are doing, because its Taijutsu(The Art of Moving - Body Movement).
All of these techniques originate from the Classical Martial Arts. I teach Okinawan and Chinese Arts and these are all techniques found in the Kata/Kuen. Before the flaming begins - I would like to inform you that you don't apply the techniques in a mechanical, stiff way as you all think. Real martial application is applied no different from the modern method. It's just practiced to precision. Too many "masters" have no clue how intricate their arts actually are.. a bane to the Classical Arts.
Is the pro wrestling stomping really neccessary? This might have looked cool in the film but from what i've seen of kfm it's a bit shit. Before you shoot your mouth, 7 years judo 3 years muay thai.
@RasAlGhul4000 the point of stomping is to distract and kind of stun the opponent. if u can make a loud enough noise, anyone will suddenly stop for a split second, so u take that second to beat the guy
@IRONHIDE434 I really don't think that's true. When i've been in comps you usually are so focused on fighting the opponent you don't notice any of numerous distractions and noises. If that were true we'd be screwed as a race and if you just kiai when striking you'd knock absolutely anyone out you fought.
I think the story line of the film has Bruce Wayne learning Ninjutsu? So for credibility sake it would have been an idea for him to do Ninjutsu, not a modern made up style. Same issue with Ninja Assassin.
@YeoDojo My take on it is Wayne travel the world getting to know the "criminal underground", yes he might have trained Ninjitsu and many other arts but ultimately he discarded all the bits that were of no use to him or his situation and it ends up looking like some sort of mishmash hybrid, with KFM being relatively unknown it looks different at the same time as looking familiar which is why it works for the character... IMHO of course ;)
@Trig0r But it doesn't resemble how Batman fights in the comics. He's described as having "the speed of a boxer and the grace of a dancer," and that he "uses a bit of every school." Rather than using a "new" fighting style like Keysi just for the sake of being new, the filmakers should have just blended different fighting styles into fight scenes, including JKD. Unfortunately, this Keysi Batman reminds me of what Mickey said to Rocky: "You've got heart, but you fight like a god-damned ape!"
@44excalibur Well theres certainly no grace, but the bit about every school holds, after all, there is nothing "new" in martial arts and you can see bits in one "style" in another after all theres only so much you can do with the body..
@Trig0r But the point is, it's still not how Batman fights in the comics. His moves, agility, speed, power, and versatility are much different. He doesn't crouch or keep his head buried under his forearms. His kicks are faster and more flexible, and he doesn't waste so much time and effort with his hand stikes, building up all that momentum that you see in the Nolan films.
@44excalibur PRetty sure because in the comics, all that armor looks and acts like spandex. In real like, doing all that in swat-like gear, pads and armor is difficult. Not to mention that cape can get in the way in real life.
@xaayer They can make the suit lighter and more flexible if they want to. Remember, the reason the suit from the movies looks the way it does in the first place was to compensate for Michael Keaton's lack of physique in the Tim Burton film back in 1989, which is not a problem for Christian Bale.
@44excalibur Then it wouldn't be realistic, remember? They want this Batman to be as realistic as possible. The Tim Burton movies were made to look like to comics, Nolans was made to model real life if the comics were real. If they made the suit lighter, bullets and knifes would go right through it. In the comics, the batsuit is bulletproof, fire retardant, and puncture proof, yet it is just layers of fictional fabric. In real life that is padding, strategically placed plates.
@xaayer Tim Burton's movies were NOTHING like the comics. Tim Burton's movies looked like Batman has wandered onto the sets of 'Beetlejuice' and 'The Nightmare Before Christmas.' They were Tim Burton movies with Batman in them. Nolan's films are much closer to what the comics are like, since Nolan and Goyer based their screenplay on Batman: Year One, and The Long Halloween, as well as other stories from the comics. And remember that they made the suit lighter for 'The Dark Knight.'
@44excalibur You are aware that I said "made to look like" the comics? I thought for sure we were simply discussing the design of the Batsuit. Which batsuit looks and acts more like the comics batsuit? Tim Burton's batsuit looked seamless, it had the muscles outlined just like in the comics, it was also bulletproof to the point that it showed no damage when shot at. Nolan's batsuit is more realistic in that the armor is visible and not made to look like spandex.
@xaayer And since you mentioned, the suit Christian Bale wore in Batman Begins actually came closer in design to the suit from the comics than Michael Keaton's did in the Burton films. Nolan even made the cape flow like it does in the comics. Our discussion was not about the suit, per se, it was about how the Keysi Fighting Method is stiff and sloppy-looking and in no way resembles how Batman fights in the comics, regardless of what he wears.
@44excalibur The Keysi fighting method isnt supposed to look pretty. It is supposed to work. Just like Krav Maga. Why are you going to waste time trying to look pretty? You want to be brutal, quick, efficient, and effective. That is what Keysi does. It is not stiff, and so what if it is sloppy-looking? It works in real life against what you would see from street fighters who fight as dirty as they can. In the comics, you can't really see how he fights because they are pictures.
@44excalibur And lets not forget, batman is subject to interpretation by the artists and those who write the comics, and he has gone over numerous revamps since his birth. I don't think you can say "this is not Batman's fighting style" because he is supposedly the master of nearly all martial arts, so why would he fight in one certain way? Just as he prefers a suit with maximum movement and coverage, he wants to fight how he wants to fight: get the fight finished as fast as possible.
@xaayer When I say "this is not Batman's fighting style," I mean that he has no one style and adjusts his fighting to his opponent or opponents. But Christian Bale fights the same way in in each of the films, with that crouched, elbows-up type of posture that doesn't seem to provide much clear vision or freedom of movement. The comics actually show great detail and Batman has much more fluidity of movement when he fights. I'd actually prefer if they used Jeet Kune Do instead of Keysi.
@44excalibur And yes, the batsuit was made lighter in TDK, but then what happened? He was shot. Ergo, not bulletproof. I know that in Batman Returns his suit was punctured by Catwoman's claws, but that was because she felt the suit for a design weakness. We were discussing the batsuit's design, not the overall story. Thought that was obvious.
@xaayer Well, you said that the Burton films were more like the comics, which had to be corrected. As for the suit, like I said, the main reason the suit ended up as bulky as it is was to compensate for Michael Keaton not being able to physically resemble his character. In reality, such as suit would slow Batman down and hinder his peripheral vision. So what if he was shot in TDK? Batman's been shot plenty of times in the comics, but he still prefers a suit he can easily move around in.
@44excalibur Read again or do I have to quote it? "The Tim Burton movies were made to look like the comics." I didn't say it was like it, it was more surreal and cartoony in many more ways than Nolan's batman. Nolan's batman is more steeped in reality. I know why the suit was made to look bulky, I read articles so I'm not an idiot, but even if Keaton was bulkier, they would have stayed with a more spandex-looking costume rather than a SWAT-looking one. Your last comment basically agreed with me
@xaayer I read it and you don't have to quote it. Burton's films were surreal and cartoony, but cartoons and comics are not the same, and comic fans have been arguing that for years. Comics are not "cartoony" in the least bit, otherwise, comic fans wouln't complain when Hollywood makes a cartoonish superhero movie. I also am not debating Keysi's effectiveness, but critics and fans have agreed that the fight scenes in the Nolan films have been generally clumsy and underwhelming.
@44excalibur I am aware of that, but comics are still surreal. Batman is surreal, he isn't real and the tech he uses may be modern but is still fictional. His entire suit is bulletproof yet it always seems to be skintight and fabric-thin. I know he changes up his style. That is what I pointed out. And also, I haven't seen any live-action movie do Batman's fighting style justice because it is pretty hard to choreograph.
@xaayer Let me just say this, and I'll end my comment. The Jason Bourne films also take place in the "real world," yet the fight scenes in those films were far superior to anything in the Nolan 'Batman' films. Even the hallway fight scene in 'Inception' was superior, so I know that Nolan has it in him to do better. Having never seen Keysi used in a fight, I'm not going to say that Kali/Eskrima or JKD are superior. I just think the fights could have been done better, that's all.
@44excalibur In case you haven't noticed, no one was running around in a batsuit with a canvas cape and armor plates in either one of those movies. Like I said, Batman live action is hard to choreograph because the suit is heavy ad cumbersome. He isn't wearing street clothes or a suit, he is wearing armor with a helmet and cape.
@Shuukyou If he's not the Batman from the comics, he's not Batman. The whole point of the Nolan films was to stay closer to the comics than any film had previously done.
@YeoDojo it's a mixed martial art just like ninjutsinu fact if i was a ninja i wouldnt even consider myself a true ninja usless you where trained in MMA..only one style is boring and predictable.
@YeoDojo because thats not what they wanted for Batman, they wanted something that looked a bit more raw and less "traditional" for want of a better word. Theres a few interview vids from Andy Normal one of the founders if you have a look at my other video's, he talks about it in there..
@YeoDojo considering the Batman (in the comics) had already master all martial arts by time he returned to Gotham, I dont think it matters what form he used.
@Spideyfan276653 actually, other than TKD and KM, the creation of martial arts has been pretty much dead for atleast 700 yrs :P dont think there are ANY 100 yr old arts ^^
@veshkeat I don't know about Wushu...Wushu is in some ways original kung fu that it canot be used very good in battle and it is only for movies and demonstration...so i don't realy care to search for Wushu...
if you mean kung fu...yeah maybe there are older types of kung fu not only Hung Gar.I'm talking about Hung Gar because i know about it.There were more than 70 kung fu types.Only about fifty are still alive...one of these is Hung Gar.And i'm not talking about chiu chi ling...that man is fool
@kogiama Kung fu isnt martial arts, kung fu is the process of doing something difficult, of truly applying urself. chinese martial arts are called wushu. hung gar is wushu AND (if u do it properly) kung fu
@veshkeat Wrong.Kung Fu is martial asrts an realy old
there is a realy old Kung Fu form called Gung gee fook fu kuen that means hard work and it is something that you have to get realy wet a lot of times to complete it and it take year to make it perfect.i don't know if you are talking about that but Kung Fu is martial arts.Hung Gar and much more are kung fu styles that the movie directors are cutting parts and replace them with more dancing moves to make the film look fancy that's Wushu
Why was that guy saying this is "totally new" It's not new, it's just a blend of different movements. I've seen each one in my own style and it wouldn't suprise me to see the fight go this way here and there. The difference is it has now been established as effective principles. But all stylized movements can be broken down. So don't look at it like it's the new machine. It's not. it's just a blend of Jeet Kune Do, Silat and I even saw Capoiera. Kaysi is a compact fight method. And it's good.4it
@tongsau ....isn't that the way of every martial art in the world? karate has roundhouse kicks, but so did the indian kalaripayattu b4 them, does that mean that karate isn't new by comparison? kickboxing has punches, but, hey, even gorillaz can punch stuff, does that mean kickboxing is older than humanity?
a martial art is not defined by its techniques, it's defined by the combination and form of techniques, aswell as its philosophy
I wonder if Bruce Wayne ever gets the urge to kick the crap outta somebody at a Wayne Enterprises board meeting? Anyway, very interesting fighting style, you're defending yourself and striking at the same time.
Any martial art can be extremely effective depending on what principles you take from it, one could see the drawbacks to kung fu because people say it's too artsy, too fancy... palm strike somebody in the thoracic diaphragm, see how effective that is. One of those fancy kicks? Hit someone in the jaw with it and I can guarantee that they will not be feeling 100%. Same goes for Keysi...
I train this fighting system in Ireland since last September. People saying it's poncey cinematic bullshit dont know that half of it. It's incredibly practical, realistic and bloody vicious too! I'd encourage anyone who is interested in learning a practical martial art to check it out. This stuff will actually be of use if you're ever in a fight. Even the official KFM promo vids dont really give you the best idea of how this works - you have to try it and see it in action.
@ZombieCu yeah, problem is people watch a few vid's on the net, think it was created for Batman and rubbish the entire system without actually trying it.
Also doesnt help that the first episode of that Alex Reid "Fight of his life" thing was with Andy Norman, really doesnt help...
@Trig0r True. I've only seen clips of that but I was cringing at Reid trying his best to grasp it - and failing!
Hopefully though it'll encourage people to at least check it out. You really have to see it up close to truly get the spirit of it - i'm loving it at least!
@Trig0r So True, people bash it without ever setting foot inside a school. Usually the comments are left by teenagers and such that have taken their first Krav Maga or MMA class. And now think everything else is crap. But....They have YET to learn the lesson of WHAT IS and IS NOT useful in a REAL fight. In all my years of training in Fighting Arts, whether JKD, Kali, etc. NO other training feels as intense and real as KFM training. It always feels like a real fight.
@ZombieCu Deffo! Everytime I have gone to a class I have come back either bruised or bleeding or both. Today it was both, I asked if there was anything to do to improve my stance and the instructor said predator drills! So the whole class hit me with pads and it sorts your stance pretty quickly!
You cover up constantly. In the training i've done our instructor is respectful of people and pain thresholds, but you do go at it pretty hard. I've broken a finger, popped my sternum and bruised my ribs while training keysi - not mentioning the odd black eye.
The videos of Keysi more showcase the physical mechanics of KFM, but dont accurately showcase the practicalities of it.. Real keysi sparring is ugly, chatoic, messy, and very unpoetic -like a real fight.
To answer your question about sparring - sort of. The main "sparring" involves 3 people (2 attackers and one person drilling) running through a sequence of attacks followed by a takedown and swap. It's not designed to really be something you can "spar" - it's about inflicting high damage quickly.
We've also trained many exercises to practice keeping cover and environmental awareness in confined spaces with a large crowd-and we train out in urban areas with concrete. No mats!
I just saw this at my gym. It is very effective and a real world defensive skill that can get you out of a jam especially if you are being attacked as a woman or by a bigger opponent. I think it is a great style to help defend and immobilize a predator. These videos show the offensive side but defense imo is where it is at. Its a natural emotional movement that one can use when you are in a real life situation against someone looking to harm you. I like it.
Let me tell you something... this guys don't know how to fight They forgot the punching in line, directly to the head!
The distance isn't good, the power to hit is very weak and angle is short. The chances for a punch make effective are much more than a hit with the elbow (with that distance and torque).
@Gouken if you havent tried it you dont know, also might I suggest you read up on Andy Norman and Justo Dieguez before you suggest that they dont know how to fight, or perhaps watch some of the actual KFM videos instead of a very cut down, opened up version that was used for the batman films..
the videos on youtube of KFM are like 90% of youtube martial art videos
''bullshit demos''
99% of videos i see contain the typical ''i punch ,you counter attack & beat me up while i stay motionless''
as a movie style it looks very slick, but as a fighting style i can't see how it works as i said
the ''hands on your head'' position is used in war as a way of submiting because it is a weak stance to be in (both for fighting & to draw a gun/knife)
@Gouken the sheer weight of a punch doesn't matter that much when your fighting style allows you to follow that up with an elbow drop straight, kick and a headbutt.
KFM looks extremely "practical", which means not concerning yourself over single knockouts but rather control through sheer aggression
Also note that at best I've only trained Aikido. I'm purely judging KFM vs. everything else based on youtube vids and wikipedia articles.
@TheGame2407 oh, it is. it's all fun and games for a few weeks while you get your feet, then you start to look at the take downs and grabs. If you don't bleed; you didn't do it right.
It really can be. Somedays it's a little lighter, but that just means something bad is about to happen! You think it's going fine, then WHAM! Elbow to the neck!
I really like this style and I plan to learn more about it
However I think the batman movie producers should also look it to systema since the systema logo is often a bat and in systema everyone learns to fight multiple attackers from day one also systema punches are brutal internal punches that will slice through your internal organs like a speed boat creating a wake in the water
The first martial art Batman used in the comics was Jiu-Jitsu. Then it changed to Ninjutsu when the creator made Batman "darker" as the time went on and people wanted something else.
I've noticed fighting videos have far more bullshitting trolls than other videos. Everyone thinks the martial art they practise is the best. Reality is every art has its environment and purpose.
This looks more for entertainment than real fighting. I don't know much about MMA or fighting, but in a real fight, somebody isn't gonna stand there and wait for you to jump and elbow him in the leg.. hahaha
Dude. If a guy jumps in the air towards you, are you just gonna stand there and take a knee to the leg? No, the instinctive thing to do would be to either jump out of range or tackle the shit out of the attacker while he's in the air.
This stuff looks good to me, I`ve been around for a long time, Don`t disrespect this, until you have had a go! remember `leave your ego at the door` computor hard men or women! ; )
um no your wrong this shit is mad gay ofcourse this looks promising but thats because its uhh i dont know... ACTING? they arent even fighting they are just doing what they want to see
like the dumbass doing chops to the guys rib cage with the rest of his body all open? if that was a real fight the guy getting rib chops would punch his head and knock him the fuck out
well... yeah... looks like 52 blocks, but at the same time the stands in Keysi are somewhat different. And also seems like Keysi is a little more similar to Krav Maga. Hope to try this one day... And why are you so into talking trash about this? One of the founders has grow up in a bad neigbourhood in europe and done alot of street fighting. Its all about doing what seems natural there and then... so thats maybe why it seems similar?
I don't know any more about lineage, dates of origin, etc. than what anyone else could look up on google or wikipedia... but it sure LOOKS like JHR. Fairly good RBSD system IMO.
KFM is for fighting in the street there some martial arts out there that are needed for mma but are obsolite in the street especially when your surrounding is not a cage. anything can go so if you wanna disrespect KFM than you should try if or else you will be a narrow minded ass
I've used this when i was in the Pokey back in 85. Called it Jail house rock Though. Wasn't as pretty as this though and i don't remember hearing any music. There's nothing new under the sun gents, just re-discoveries and re-inventions. Some bad, Some good.
Because this is no new style or way of fighting. Infact, I wouldn't be surprised if those guys stole from 52 Blocks. 52 Blocks has rarely been known except in prisons and roughneck neighborhoods.
It looks good, but, one should never fight stepping in a straight line as these guys look like they're doing. But it's not so unique. 52 Blocks already covers that and a whole lot more. Check out Jamar Clark A.K.A. Lyte Burly, who's one of the 52 Blocks specialist.
That looks alot like 52 blocks. Very simular in technique... I wonder... However, techniques like that has already been done by blacks in the penal system. check out 52 blocks also known as Jail House Rock. Peace
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@xacto88 there is no such thing as "the most effective martial art" they're all practical in their own ways it depends on what you're trying to do and what you want to accomplish
Actually Kastle, Krav Maga is the answer to it all. I have been in KM for 10 years and in JKD for 25. KM is simple and effective. It is battle proven in the field. Keysi was created, but who tested it in real combat? I don't mean sparring. I mean life and death.
Ok so you've done KM for 10 years and JKD for 25, brilliant but if you haven't trained anything else then surely your missing the philosophy of JKD?
KFM has a very similar philosophy to JKD so I would of thought with your background you would of at least tried it before slating it from a few video's you've seen on the net.
Every MA has its place but I think to put KM as a be all and end all above all others is rather optimistic..
Perhaps I give you too much credit based on your MA history..?
o agree with pablo i'm doing krav maga for like 5 - 6 months and i already used it in a bullying school problem and o solved it fast, powerful and non lethal
The reason it looks like its created for theatrics is due to it being used in a film where things are changed to fit in with the certification of the film.
Feel free to check out some of the other video's and you'll see what I mean.
Krav Maga is not the answer to all & before you critisize me for the comment I trained in Krav for a year & a half.I took what worked & left what did not.Remember "Fighting first, systems second."
its just a another take on martial arts, nothing new nothing improved just a different angle, has its pros, has its flaws like they all do take a little from it dont rely whole heartedly on kfm system, just add it to your knowledge and move on to the next art
I agree whoheartedly. My background is in Shaolin Ch'uan Fa, Tae Kwon Do, and Shotokan, and I can definitely tell that Keysi is very effective and operates on the same principles of any martial art.
Martial Arts are like a religion to me, and I look at every martial art as something worthy of being studied. I'd love to study Keysi someday, and I for one am glad that they chose Keysi as Batman's main fighting style in the Nolan series, since it is a clear reflection of his personality.
Being that the art is for coming in close to an attacker, is this good for a shorter person versus a much taller person? Will it depend more heavily on upper body strength like read judo does? What about submission?
was anyone else pissed that there wasn't a featurette like this on the Dark Knight DVD? The fighting was way better and more clearly done in TDK, I would like to see more of how they worked it into the film.
everyone practicing real self protection has 3 options:-avoid fighting(street) and train on theory or get in lots of fights and train on experience or a mixture of both
To all of you who doubt this art I suggest you attend a seminar,you have only seen some very small clips which does not cover very much,I trained in Kfm for three years it is not like any other art and covers an enormous range it is very realistic.
@Desmond8043 well watch bat man begins and you'll know. The scene where Bruce vs ras al ghul. Bruce did know close quarters combat but opted for more distance in that instance and he got owned. Al Ras need to do was grab an arm or leg during a kick or quick punch, pull Bruce towards him an deliver a powerful blow that would know him to the ground, such as the head butt he used. Karate and tkd are obviously very good for people who opt to use their build for agility and quickness. But bigger guy
TheJustincase4 3 days ago
I love KFM, I think it's a brilliant style and I give a ton of credit to the founders for spending so much time to develop a more "thug like, street savvy" art. But, I also wonder, knowing that KFM is very much close-quarters, how would it hold up against an artist who excels at keeping their distance? Take an experienced TKD/Karate fighter, who is able to keep a sizable distance via a flurry of kicks -- how might KFM work then?
Desmond8043 1 month ago
Ninjutsu is more of a life style than just fighting. Still if your talking about the Martial art in Ninjutsu than you are referring to the Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, which is a fighting system that actually covers all the things these guys are doing, because its Taijutsu(The Art of Moving - Body Movement).
Wargumm1i 1 month ago
fighting looks so much more epic with a cape lol
LordPS3 1 month ago
they should do this kind of fighting for the batman arkham games
Fishstixj4l 2 months ago
They should have used systema too!
fenryx0 2 months ago
@fenryx0 plz don`t !!! we like to keep it underground, not mainstream like karate and TKD
xxXKAZHXxx 2 months ago
Tecnica inventada en España...que lo sepan....tenemos codos de titanio !!! xDDD
leyencito 2 months ago
it looks liket there washing there hair
MrMattbartos 2 months ago
the guy in the batman suit reminds me of Lars from Tekken.
matthewwilliard 2 months ago
All of these techniques originate from the Classical Martial Arts. I teach Okinawan and Chinese Arts and these are all techniques found in the Kata/Kuen. Before the flaming begins - I would like to inform you that you don't apply the techniques in a mechanical, stiff way as you all think. Real martial application is applied no different from the modern method. It's just practiced to precision. Too many "masters" have no clue how intricate their arts actually are.. a bane to the Classical Arts.
Koryuhoka 2 months ago
An Asian dude saying KARATE with a British accent?
my life is complete
monggomen123 3 months ago
The 3 best of all:
-KFM
-Krav Maga
-And the good old Box. :)
tigemata 5 months ago
Is the pro wrestling stomping really neccessary? This might have looked cool in the film but from what i've seen of kfm it's a bit shit. Before you shoot your mouth, 7 years judo 3 years muay thai.
RasAlGhul4000 5 months ago
@RasAlGhul4000 have you tried it, before you shoot your mouth? ;)
Trig0r 5 months ago 8
@RasAlGhul4000 the point of stomping is to distract and kind of stun the opponent. if u can make a loud enough noise, anyone will suddenly stop for a split second, so u take that second to beat the guy
IRONHIDE434 5 months ago
@IRONHIDE434 I really don't think that's true. When i've been in comps you usually are so focused on fighting the opponent you don't notice any of numerous distractions and noises. If that were true we'd be screwed as a race and if you just kiai when striking you'd knock absolutely anyone out you fought.
RasAlGhul4000 5 months ago
@RasAlGhul4000 I think KFM is just for men as it looks but it's incomplete, I take Shito-ryu and it's bad ass
QUHectic212 4 months ago
@RasAlGhul4000 judo,very typical for judo.try sumo....
malganus4 1 month ago
lol why is christian bale using his 'american' accent?
sonsu27 7 months ago
Krav Maga??
RespectWong 9 months ago
KFM = Kentucky Fried Martial Arts
phoenixmft 10 months ago
@phoenixmft lol :-D
Dargakis 7 months ago
I think the story line of the film has Bruce Wayne learning Ninjutsu? So for credibility sake it would have been an idea for him to do Ninjutsu, not a modern made up style. Same issue with Ninja Assassin.
YeoDojo 10 months ago 3
@YeoDojo My take on it is Wayne travel the world getting to know the "criminal underground", yes he might have trained Ninjitsu and many other arts but ultimately he discarded all the bits that were of no use to him or his situation and it ends up looking like some sort of mishmash hybrid, with KFM being relatively unknown it looks different at the same time as looking familiar which is why it works for the character... IMHO of course ;)
Trig0r 10 months ago 5
@Trig0r But it doesn't resemble how Batman fights in the comics. He's described as having "the speed of a boxer and the grace of a dancer," and that he "uses a bit of every school." Rather than using a "new" fighting style like Keysi just for the sake of being new, the filmakers should have just blended different fighting styles into fight scenes, including JKD. Unfortunately, this Keysi Batman reminds me of what Mickey said to Rocky: "You've got heart, but you fight like a god-damned ape!"
44excalibur 7 months ago
@44excalibur Well theres certainly no grace, but the bit about every school holds, after all, there is nothing "new" in martial arts and you can see bits in one "style" in another after all theres only so much you can do with the body..
Trig0r 7 months ago 6
@Trig0r But the point is, it's still not how Batman fights in the comics. His moves, agility, speed, power, and versatility are much different. He doesn't crouch or keep his head buried under his forearms. His kicks are faster and more flexible, and he doesn't waste so much time and effort with his hand stikes, building up all that momentum that you see in the Nolan films.
44excalibur 7 months ago
@44excalibur PRetty sure because in the comics, all that armor looks and acts like spandex. In real like, doing all that in swat-like gear, pads and armor is difficult. Not to mention that cape can get in the way in real life.
xaayer 6 months ago
@xaayer They can make the suit lighter and more flexible if they want to. Remember, the reason the suit from the movies looks the way it does in the first place was to compensate for Michael Keaton's lack of physique in the Tim Burton film back in 1989, which is not a problem for Christian Bale.
44excalibur 6 months ago
@44excalibur Then it wouldn't be realistic, remember? They want this Batman to be as realistic as possible. The Tim Burton movies were made to look like to comics, Nolans was made to model real life if the comics were real. If they made the suit lighter, bullets and knifes would go right through it. In the comics, the batsuit is bulletproof, fire retardant, and puncture proof, yet it is just layers of fictional fabric. In real life that is padding, strategically placed plates.
xaayer 6 months ago
@xaayer Tim Burton's movies were NOTHING like the comics. Tim Burton's movies looked like Batman has wandered onto the sets of 'Beetlejuice' and 'The Nightmare Before Christmas.' They were Tim Burton movies with Batman in them. Nolan's films are much closer to what the comics are like, since Nolan and Goyer based their screenplay on Batman: Year One, and The Long Halloween, as well as other stories from the comics. And remember that they made the suit lighter for 'The Dark Knight.'
44excalibur 6 months ago
@44excalibur You are aware that I said "made to look like" the comics? I thought for sure we were simply discussing the design of the Batsuit. Which batsuit looks and acts more like the comics batsuit? Tim Burton's batsuit looked seamless, it had the muscles outlined just like in the comics, it was also bulletproof to the point that it showed no damage when shot at. Nolan's batsuit is more realistic in that the armor is visible and not made to look like spandex.
xaayer 6 months ago
@xaayer And since you mentioned, the suit Christian Bale wore in Batman Begins actually came closer in design to the suit from the comics than Michael Keaton's did in the Burton films. Nolan even made the cape flow like it does in the comics. Our discussion was not about the suit, per se, it was about how the Keysi Fighting Method is stiff and sloppy-looking and in no way resembles how Batman fights in the comics, regardless of what he wears.
44excalibur 6 months ago
@44excalibur The Keysi fighting method isnt supposed to look pretty. It is supposed to work. Just like Krav Maga. Why are you going to waste time trying to look pretty? You want to be brutal, quick, efficient, and effective. That is what Keysi does. It is not stiff, and so what if it is sloppy-looking? It works in real life against what you would see from street fighters who fight as dirty as they can. In the comics, you can't really see how he fights because they are pictures.
xaayer 6 months ago
@44excalibur And lets not forget, batman is subject to interpretation by the artists and those who write the comics, and he has gone over numerous revamps since his birth. I don't think you can say "this is not Batman's fighting style" because he is supposedly the master of nearly all martial arts, so why would he fight in one certain way? Just as he prefers a suit with maximum movement and coverage, he wants to fight how he wants to fight: get the fight finished as fast as possible.
xaayer 6 months ago
@xaayer When I say "this is not Batman's fighting style," I mean that he has no one style and adjusts his fighting to his opponent or opponents. But Christian Bale fights the same way in in each of the films, with that crouched, elbows-up type of posture that doesn't seem to provide much clear vision or freedom of movement. The comics actually show great detail and Batman has much more fluidity of movement when he fights. I'd actually prefer if they used Jeet Kune Do instead of Keysi.
44excalibur 6 months ago
@44excalibur And yes, the batsuit was made lighter in TDK, but then what happened? He was shot. Ergo, not bulletproof. I know that in Batman Returns his suit was punctured by Catwoman's claws, but that was because she felt the suit for a design weakness. We were discussing the batsuit's design, not the overall story. Thought that was obvious.
xaayer 6 months ago
@xaayer Well, you said that the Burton films were more like the comics, which had to be corrected. As for the suit, like I said, the main reason the suit ended up as bulky as it is was to compensate for Michael Keaton not being able to physically resemble his character. In reality, such as suit would slow Batman down and hinder his peripheral vision. So what if he was shot in TDK? Batman's been shot plenty of times in the comics, but he still prefers a suit he can easily move around in.
44excalibur 6 months ago
@44excalibur Read again or do I have to quote it? "The Tim Burton movies were made to look like the comics." I didn't say it was like it, it was more surreal and cartoony in many more ways than Nolan's batman. Nolan's batman is more steeped in reality. I know why the suit was made to look bulky, I read articles so I'm not an idiot, but even if Keaton was bulkier, they would have stayed with a more spandex-looking costume rather than a SWAT-looking one. Your last comment basically agreed with me
xaayer 6 months ago
@xaayer I read it and you don't have to quote it. Burton's films were surreal and cartoony, but cartoons and comics are not the same, and comic fans have been arguing that for years. Comics are not "cartoony" in the least bit, otherwise, comic fans wouln't complain when Hollywood makes a cartoonish superhero movie. I also am not debating Keysi's effectiveness, but critics and fans have agreed that the fight scenes in the Nolan films have been generally clumsy and underwhelming.
44excalibur 6 months ago
@44excalibur I am aware of that, but comics are still surreal. Batman is surreal, he isn't real and the tech he uses may be modern but is still fictional. His entire suit is bulletproof yet it always seems to be skintight and fabric-thin. I know he changes up his style. That is what I pointed out. And also, I haven't seen any live-action movie do Batman's fighting style justice because it is pretty hard to choreograph.
xaayer 6 months ago
@xaayer Let me just say this, and I'll end my comment. The Jason Bourne films also take place in the "real world," yet the fight scenes in those films were far superior to anything in the Nolan 'Batman' films. Even the hallway fight scene in 'Inception' was superior, so I know that Nolan has it in him to do better. Having never seen Keysi used in a fight, I'm not going to say that Kali/Eskrima or JKD are superior. I just think the fights could have been done better, that's all.
44excalibur 6 months ago
@44excalibur In case you haven't noticed, no one was running around in a batsuit with a canvas cape and armor plates in either one of those movies. Like I said, Batman live action is hard to choreograph because the suit is heavy ad cumbersome. He isn't wearing street clothes or a suit, he is wearing armor with a helmet and cape.
xaayer 6 months ago
@44excalibur but he's not the batman from the comics
Shuukyou 6 months ago
@Shuukyou If he's not the Batman from the comics, he's not Batman. The whole point of the Nolan films was to stay closer to the comics than any film had previously done.
44excalibur 6 months ago
@YeoDojo Well.....remember he was already an incredible fighter long before he met Ducard, in the film.
subfighter316 9 months ago
@YeoDojo it's a mixed martial art just like ninjutsinu fact if i was a ninja i wouldnt even consider myself a true ninja usless you where trained in MMA..only one style is boring and predictable.
gr8indasack69 5 months ago
I believe it was Bruce lee that said the best style is no style... Or something to that affect...
cgmachanic 1 year ago 3
when the zombie apocalypse comes we will know which martial art is better
phiphers 1 year ago
So many martial arts...why argue which is best?
Just train in whichever you and your body suit most to and you will be good.
It's not the martial art that wins the fight...its the fighter himself(or herself..not being sexist here)
BumbleBeat21 1 year ago
This looks a lot like Sambo and Krav Maga
Rensune 1 year ago
@Rensune hmmmm not much on the km part to me
superwabble 10 months ago
Batman was suposed to be doing Ninjutsu sow stupid question, why not use that art?
YeoDojo 1 year ago
@YeoDojo because thats not what they wanted for Batman, they wanted something that looked a bit more raw and less "traditional" for want of a better word. Theres a few interview vids from Andy Normal one of the founders if you have a look at my other video's, he talks about it in there..
Trig0r 1 year ago 13
@YeoDojo considering the Batman (in the comics) had already master all martial arts by time he returned to Gotham, I dont think it matters what form he used.
xaayer 1 year ago
@YeoDojo Ninjutsu is not a cqc fighting art.
wespozo 10 months ago
@wespozo Ninjutsu covers all ranges?
YeoDojo 10 months ago
@YeoDojo It is no fighting art at all.
wespozo 7 months ago
Christian Bale was never that fought in the scenes.
chabon88 1 year ago
0:47 capoeira
ofomatheblackbelt 1 year ago
@tongsau it is new, invented only 20 years ago as opposed to 100 year old martial arts
Spideyfan276653 1 year ago
@Spideyfan276653 actually, other than TKD and KM, the creation of martial arts has been pretty much dead for atleast 700 yrs :P dont think there are ANY 100 yr old arts ^^
veshkeat 1 year ago
@veshkeat 80 years from now, itll be a 100 year old martial art :)
Spideyfan276653 1 year ago
@Spideyfan276653 ah, assumed u were talking about today for some reason. Future rulez!
veshkeat 1 year ago
@veshkeat Ηung Gar Kung Fu is 1300 years old :D
kogiama 1 year ago
@kogiama arent there way older forms of wushu?
veshkeat 1 year ago
@veshkeat I don't know about Wushu...Wushu is in some ways original kung fu that it canot be used very good in battle and it is only for movies and demonstration...so i don't realy care to search for Wushu...
if you mean kung fu...yeah maybe there are older types of kung fu not only Hung Gar.I'm talking about Hung Gar because i know about it.There were more than 70 kung fu types.Only about fifty are still alive...one of these is Hung Gar.And i'm not talking about chiu chi ling...that man is fool
kogiama 1 year ago
@kogiama Kung fu isnt martial arts, kung fu is the process of doing something difficult, of truly applying urself. chinese martial arts are called wushu. hung gar is wushu AND (if u do it properly) kung fu
veshkeat 1 year ago
@veshkeat Wrong.Kung Fu is martial asrts an realy old
there is a realy old Kung Fu form called Gung gee fook fu kuen that means hard work and it is something that you have to get realy wet a lot of times to complete it and it take year to make it perfect.i don't know if you are talking about that but Kung Fu is martial arts.Hung Gar and much more are kung fu styles that the movie directors are cutting parts and replace them with more dancing moves to make the film look fancy that's Wushu
kogiama 1 year ago
@kogiama that is not correct
veshkeat 1 year ago
Why was that guy saying this is "totally new" It's not new, it's just a blend of different movements. I've seen each one in my own style and it wouldn't suprise me to see the fight go this way here and there. The difference is it has now been established as effective principles. But all stylized movements can be broken down. So don't look at it like it's the new machine. It's not. it's just a blend of Jeet Kune Do, Silat and I even saw Capoiera. Kaysi is a compact fight method. And it's good.4it
tongsau 1 year ago
@tongsau ....isn't that the way of every martial art in the world? karate has roundhouse kicks, but so did the indian kalaripayattu b4 them, does that mean that karate isn't new by comparison? kickboxing has punches, but, hey, even gorillaz can punch stuff, does that mean kickboxing is older than humanity?
a martial art is not defined by its techniques, it's defined by the combination and form of techniques, aswell as its philosophy
veshkeat 1 year ago
hit the leg with ur arm LOL SEEMS LIKE A VERY GOOD IDEA 0:40
MikeTyson53 1 year ago
I wonder if Bruce Wayne ever gets the urge to kick the crap outta somebody at a Wayne Enterprises board meeting? Anyway, very interesting fighting style, you're defending yourself and striking at the same time.
TonyN737 1 year ago
How do you genuinely spar with someone in a learning setting without breaking their limbs or giving them a concussion?
ArranoGris 1 year ago
@ArranoGris same way you do it in krav maga, or any other modern-day self defence.
veshkeat 1 year ago
NIce!!!!
nyairorokidul2000 1 year ago
alll fighting systems work depending on how you apply them.
"no techniques fail, only the person using them."
chizokage 1 year ago
Any martial art can be extremely effective depending on what principles you take from it, one could see the drawbacks to kung fu because people say it's too artsy, too fancy... palm strike somebody in the thoracic diaphragm, see how effective that is. One of those fancy kicks? Hit someone in the jaw with it and I can guarantee that they will not be feeling 100%. Same goes for Keysi...
chizokage 1 year ago
Perfect in a Close Quarters !!
merctp45 1 year ago
I train this fighting system in Ireland since last September. People saying it's poncey cinematic bullshit dont know that half of it. It's incredibly practical, realistic and bloody vicious too! I'd encourage anyone who is interested in learning a practical martial art to check it out. This stuff will actually be of use if you're ever in a fight. Even the official KFM promo vids dont really give you the best idea of how this works - you have to try it and see it in action.
ZombieCu 1 year ago 19
@ZombieCu yeah, problem is people watch a few vid's on the net, think it was created for Batman and rubbish the entire system without actually trying it.
Also doesnt help that the first episode of that Alex Reid "Fight of his life" thing was with Andy Norman, really doesnt help...
Trig0r 1 year ago
@Trig0r True. I've only seen clips of that but I was cringing at Reid trying his best to grasp it - and failing!
Hopefully though it'll encourage people to at least check it out. You really have to see it up close to truly get the spirit of it - i'm loving it at least!
ZombieCu 1 year ago
@Trig0r So True, people bash it without ever setting foot inside a school. Usually the comments are left by teenagers and such that have taken their first Krav Maga or MMA class. And now think everything else is crap. But....They have YET to learn the lesson of WHAT IS and IS NOT useful in a REAL fight. In all my years of training in Fighting Arts, whether JKD, Kali, etc. NO other training feels as intense and real as KFM training. It always feels like a real fight.
ChaosEntRETURNS 7 months ago
@ZombieCu Deffo! Everytime I have gone to a class I have come back either bruised or bleeding or both. Today it was both, I asked if there was anything to do to improve my stance and the instructor said predator drills! So the whole class hit me with pads and it sorts your stance pretty quickly!
tomfurstyfield 1 year ago
@ZombieCu I'd like to...But...Where could I train with this? ...No one around here even know what this is.. lol
JoeBird76 1 year ago
@ZombieCu Hi just wondering where you can try this in Ireland?? thanks
killiancrean 1 year ago
@ZombieCu where in ireland do you train in kfm?
mcsurefire 1 year ago
@ZombieCu Totally agree, the KFM videos don't really put it across very well but when you use the methods with 4 on 1 it makes a lot more sense
tomfurstyfield 5 months ago
@ZombieCu Do you spar full contact or just cover up constantly and slap each other like all of the keysi videos i've seen?
RasAlGhul4000 5 months ago
@RasAlGhul4000
You cover up constantly. In the training i've done our instructor is respectful of people and pain thresholds, but you do go at it pretty hard. I've broken a finger, popped my sternum and bruised my ribs while training keysi - not mentioning the odd black eye.
The videos of Keysi more showcase the physical mechanics of KFM, but dont accurately showcase the practicalities of it.. Real keysi sparring is ugly, chatoic, messy, and very unpoetic -like a real fight.
ZombieCu 5 months ago
@RasAlGhul4000
To answer your question about sparring - sort of. The main "sparring" involves 3 people (2 attackers and one person drilling) running through a sequence of attacks followed by a takedown and swap. It's not designed to really be something you can "spar" - it's about inflicting high damage quickly.
We've also trained many exercises to practice keeping cover and environmental awareness in confined spaces with a large crowd-and we train out in urban areas with concrete. No mats!
ZombieCu 5 months ago
Just a real pity, that nobody has a chance to see these great movements in the movie, because it is filmed so badly!!!
Hasselhoff123456 1 year ago
I just saw this at my gym. It is very effective and a real world defensive skill that can get you out of a jam especially if you are being attacked as a woman or by a bigger opponent. I think it is a great style to help defend and immobilize a predator. These videos show the offensive side but defense imo is where it is at. Its a natural emotional movement that one can use when you are in a real life situation against someone looking to harm you. I like it.
bizmax 1 year ago
Cool
Lukash636 1 year ago
The problem is how they made the fight scenes in the batman movies.
Sure it's stylized but you can't see what the hell is happening or what the fighting actually looks like grrrgh! >:(
Lukash636 1 year ago
It was slowed and opened up for the films so you can see more, its a lot tighter and faster in reality..
Trig0r 1 year ago
Oh lol
Lukash636 1 year ago
@Trig0r Not unrealistic.
I guess the suit doesn't make it easier to move.
TheIncredibleCG 1 year ago
What damn thing is that? uHHUAHUAUHA
Let me tell you something... this guys don't know how to fight They forgot the punching in line, directly to the head!
The distance isn't good, the power to hit is very weak and angle is short. The chances for a punch make effective are much more than a hit with the elbow (with that distance and torque).
Gouken 2 years ago
@Gouken if you havent tried it you dont know, also might I suggest you read up on Andy Norman and Justo Dieguez before you suggest that they dont know how to fight, or perhaps watch some of the actual KFM videos instead of a very cut down, opened up version that was used for the batman films..
Trig0r 2 years ago
@Trig0r
the videos on youtube of KFM are like 90% of youtube martial art videos
''bullshit demos''
99% of videos i see contain the typical ''i punch ,you counter attack & beat me up while i stay motionless''
as a movie style it looks very slick, but as a fighting style i can't see how it works as i said
the ''hands on your head'' position is used in war as a way of submiting because it is a weak stance to be in (both for fighting & to draw a gun/knife)
tvrulesnation 2 years ago
in keysi you attack with the elbows and manly protect your own head, it´s not really about bashing like an ogre
asadd2 1 year ago
@Gouken the sheer weight of a punch doesn't matter that much when your fighting style allows you to follow that up with an elbow drop straight, kick and a headbutt.
KFM looks extremely "practical", which means not concerning yourself over single knockouts but rather control through sheer aggression
Also note that at best I've only trained Aikido. I'm purely judging KFM vs. everything else based on youtube vids and wikipedia articles.
Shamaroth 1 year ago
@Gouken Please give us your credentials and not some theory: fights, background, close protection work, security work,etc
christopheclugston 1 year ago
@Gouken you need to go and try KFM at an authorized school. You cannot understand anything from watching a video.
auralvampire1 1 year ago
@Gouken so because they dont fight the way YOU say is right, they cant fight? thats ignorant
kapoof2 1 year ago
if i can find a school id def sighn up this looks animalistic as hell
TheGame2407 2 years ago
@TheGame2407 oh, it is. it's all fun and games for a few weeks while you get your feet, then you start to look at the take downs and grabs. If you don't bleed; you didn't do it right.
louiscreagh 1 year ago
Sounds hardcore
Lukash636 1 year ago
It really can be. Somedays it's a little lighter, but that just means something bad is about to happen! You think it's going fine, then WHAM! Elbow to the neck!
louiscreagh 1 year ago
looks like f.m.a/ maphalindo .nothing new here.
noblehatred978 2 years ago
There is nothing new in Martial Arts.
Trig0r 2 years ago
I really like this style and I plan to learn more about it
However I think the batman movie producers should also look it to systema since the systema logo is often a bat and in systema everyone learns to fight multiple attackers from day one also systema punches are brutal internal punches that will slice through your internal organs like a speed boat creating a wake in the water
NewZealfighter 2 years ago
yeah but systema looks all rubbery . its a good form but it's to weird looking
Mourmaline 2 years ago
Funny you relpy to me now because this morning I had the same thought.
still systema would have some good moves.Watch Martin Wheeler do systema
systema would be good for batman's spins or when he is tired out
yes KFM with the elbow smashes would be better for a batman is either emotional angered or fresh for the fight.
where as systema would be good for a batman taking on multiple attackers or a tired out batman who can't be bothered lifting his arms
NewZealfighter 2 years ago
Well it would have looked cool but the Batman movie makes the fight scenes so hard too see.
Lukash636 2 years ago
The first martial art Batman used in the comics was Jiu-Jitsu. Then it changed to Ninjutsu when the creator made Batman "darker" as the time went on and people wanted something else.
80KungFu 2 years ago
Not really, the directors wanted something else.
ScopedOUT2 2 years ago
I've noticed fighting videos have far more bullshitting trolls than other videos. Everyone thinks the martial art they practise is the best. Reality is every art has its environment and purpose.
samsmith09 2 years ago 2
I agree with you. Every martial art is very useful in any kind of situation when it arises.
taichi29 2 years ago
This looks more for entertainment than real fighting. I don't know much about MMA or fighting, but in a real fight, somebody isn't gonna stand there and wait for you to jump and elbow him in the leg.. hahaha
DeathMetalDingo 2 years ago
It's called "practice".
kenjutsu34 2 years ago
Dude. If a guy jumps in the air towards you, are you just gonna stand there and take a knee to the leg? No, the instinctive thing to do would be to either jump out of range or tackle the shit out of the attacker while he's in the air.
DeathMetalDingo 2 years ago
Read the word DEMO in the title, its not a real fight, its just a demo..
Trig0r 2 years ago
belive me you dont know how many people panic during a street fight once they realize they are on the ground
Keysi4life 2 years ago
This stuff looks good to me, I`ve been around for a long time, Don`t disrespect this, until you have had a go! remember `leave your ego at the door` computor hard men or women! ; )
christhecelt 2 years ago
um no your wrong this shit is mad gay ofcourse this looks promising but thats because its uhh i dont know... ACTING? they arent even fighting they are just doing what they want to see
Nyohttekotte 2 years ago
like the dumbass doing chops to the guys rib cage with the rest of his body all open? if that was a real fight the guy getting rib chops would punch his head and knock him the fuck out
Nyohttekotte 2 years ago
this stuff is mad gay
everybody knows the true fighting way is street fighting where u go reckless and curb sstomp ppl and stuff
Nyohttekotte 2 years ago
I love how stupid people like to make their opinions sound more credible by prefacing them with the phrase, "Everbody knows..."
By the way, good luck convincing someone to lie down so you can curb stomp them during a street fight.
BlackstarSirius 2 years ago
well... yeah... looks like 52 blocks, but at the same time the stands in Keysi are somewhat different. And also seems like Keysi is a little more similar to Krav Maga. Hope to try this one day... And why are you so into talking trash about this? One of the founders has grow up in a bad neigbourhood in europe and done alot of street fighting. Its all about doing what seems natural there and then... so thats maybe why it seems similar?
ariakas18 2 years ago
I don't know any more about lineage, dates of origin, etc. than what anyone else could look up on google or wikipedia... but it sure LOOKS like JHR. Fairly good RBSD system IMO.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
KFM is for fighting in the street there some martial arts out there that are needed for mma but are obsolite in the street especially when your surrounding is not a cage. anything can go so if you wanna disrespect KFM than you should try if or else you will be a narrow minded ass
Keysi4life 2 years ago
Dude chill out, it's just a forum where people are entitled to state their opinion. You're taking this waaaay to serious.
jukido987 2 years ago
Why is it that if someone states their opinion they're "Entitled to it", but if someone else states their opinion in response it's "Unchill"?
BlackstarSirius 2 years ago
Point Taken.
mxmissle2 2 years ago
I've used this when i was in the Pokey back in 85. Called it Jail house rock Though. Wasn't as pretty as this though and i don't remember hearing any music. There's nothing new under the sun gents, just re-discoveries and re-inventions. Some bad, Some good.
mxmissle2 2 years ago
Because this is no new style or way of fighting. Infact, I wouldn't be surprised if those guys stole from 52 Blocks. 52 Blocks has rarely been known except in prisons and roughneck neighborhoods.
labrae 2 years ago
how could they steal it if KFM has been developed for over 20 years and across the atlantic ocean
Keysi4life 2 years ago
It looks good, but, one should never fight stepping in a straight line as these guys look like they're doing. But it's not so unique. 52 Blocks already covers that and a whole lot more. Check out Jamar Clark A.K.A. Lyte Burly, who's one of the 52 Blocks specialist.
labrae 2 years ago
That looks alot like 52 blocks. Very simular in technique... I wonder... However, techniques like that has already been done by blacks in the penal system. check out 52 blocks also known as Jail House Rock. Peace
labrae 2 years ago
Train as much as you can, feel free to do as you want to do it - and you will be good - does not matter what you are doing :-) take care while training :-) cheers :-)
NiklasShihan 2 years ago
No fighting system is the "end all be all." KFM looks odd sometimes but it has very applicable and practical reasons behind it's design.
xacto88 2 years ago 26
@xacto88 there is no such thing as "the most effective martial art" they're all practical in their own ways it depends on what you're trying to do and what you want to accomplish
theNICAguy 11 months ago
kastle - spot on - best comment of this whole thread.
But Pablo - "krav maga is the answer to it all"??!?!!?!? Very very narrow minded and short sighted sweeping statement.
shuballforever 2 years ago 2
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shuballforever 2 years ago
great^^ i wish i could fight so^^
SaadItachiHolmes 2 years ago
Actually Kastle, Krav Maga is the answer to it all. I have been in KM for 10 years and in JKD for 25. KM is simple and effective. It is battle proven in the field. Keysi was created, but who tested it in real combat? I don't mean sparring. I mean life and death.
pablojkdman 2 years ago
Ok so you've done KM for 10 years and JKD for 25, brilliant but if you haven't trained anything else then surely your missing the philosophy of JKD?
KFM has a very similar philosophy to JKD so I would of thought with your background you would of at least tried it before slating it from a few video's you've seen on the net.
Every MA has its place but I think to put KM as a be all and end all above all others is rather optimistic..
Perhaps I give you too much credit based on your MA history..?
Trig0r 2 years ago
o agree with pablo i'm doing krav maga for like 5 - 6 months and i already used it in a bullying school problem and o solved it fast, powerful and non lethal
vyctor75231362 2 years ago
Feel free to check out the other video's, wouldnt want to think you based your opinion on one video that was used as part of a film now would we..
Trig0r 2 years ago
This is new, but new is not always better. It looks like a system created for theatrics. It's not practical. Practical is Krav Maga.
pablojkdman 3 years ago
New? There is nothing new in martial arts ;)
The reason it looks like its created for theatrics is due to it being used in a film where things are changed to fit in with the certification of the film.
Feel free to check out some of the other video's and you'll see what I mean.
Trig0r 3 years ago
Krav Maga is not the answer to all & before you critisize me for the comment I trained in Krav for a year & a half.I took what worked & left what did not.Remember "Fighting first, systems second."
kastle1972 2 years ago 6
I agree. I study in krav maga but its not everything. I also do kickboxing brazilian jiu-jitsu and judo.
kakarru 2 years ago 2
I think that this art might work on young people but it will not work when you get old so its not worth it
Ericniel 3 years ago
its just a another take on martial arts, nothing new nothing improved just a different angle, has its pros, has its flaws like they all do take a little from it dont rely whole heartedly on kfm system, just add it to your knowledge and move on to the next art
makuwara 3 years ago
I agree whoheartedly. My background is in Shaolin Ch'uan Fa, Tae Kwon Do, and Shotokan, and I can definitely tell that Keysi is very effective and operates on the same principles of any martial art.
Martial Arts are like a religion to me, and I look at every martial art as something worthy of being studied. I'd love to study Keysi someday, and I for one am glad that they chose Keysi as Batman's main fighting style in the Nolan series, since it is a clear reflection of his personality.
JRserver 3 years ago 3
It's very much about bullshit... why the fuck would you need to headbunt and stomp around like morons.
machinesix 3 years ago
YOur right its stupid because they are doing movements that are not necessary
Ericniel 3 years ago
More of this fighting style is available on Batman Begins Blu-Ray.
Lourixw 3 years ago
Being that the art is for coming in close to an attacker, is this good for a shorter person versus a much taller person? Will it depend more heavily on upper body strength like read judo does? What about submission?
psdeadat29 3 years ago
was anyone else pissed that there wasn't a featurette like this on the Dark Knight DVD? The fighting was way better and more clearly done in TDK, I would like to see more of how they worked it into the film.
vigilant005 3 years ago
yeah, i was looking forward to it too, but alas, no keysi DVD extras
louiscreagh 3 years ago
I would have liked to see something like this where they go in-depth on the fight scenes. Maybe for another release.
redrabbitjohnson 3 years ago
thus you can either be :-not a real fighter(street),a great fighter(riddled with injury and rattling with painkillers),a average fighter
nanachicken 3 years ago
everyone practicing real self protection has 3 options:-avoid fighting(street) and train on theory or get in lots of fights and train on experience or a mixture of both
nanachicken 3 years ago
Does this system look like 52 blocks and Maga? or is it just me?
kushakadetroit 3 years ago
It looks like a lot if things, as my instructor says, theres nothing new in martial arts.
Trig0r 3 years ago
Are there any videos of "52 Blocks"?
FreeFloFighter 3 years ago
To all of you who doubt this art I suggest you attend a seminar,you have only seen some very small clips which does not cover very much,I trained in Kfm for three years it is not like any other art and covers an enormous range it is very realistic.
4030bing 3 years ago
yo dude i do kfm who you trained by ?
madmadtheo 3 years ago
Not as effective as the Back to the Future fighting style. My favorite move is the "Hey Biff, what's that?" followed immediately by a sucker punch.
chickenbird 3 years ago