i understand wanting to preserve american values and traditions but forcing immigrants to accept it is cruel and defies a key american values. FREEDOM AND LIBERTY
Multiculturalism isnt as bad as most make it seem. If you ask all you have to do is just accept other peoples culture as is. If someone is Muslim, I dont give a shit. So the problem is people not minding their own damn business. Its the same thing with gays.
So Multiculturalism works best when people stay out of other peoples personal lives.
But then again this isnt really about culture its about race. We all know it. White people dont a problem with other white people but them darkies... lol.
@teddybruscie Actually, at this juncture, i think its more about a particular religion. Nobody is complaining about immigrants who are hindu, non-Muslim Africans, Chinese ect.. Its just one group that is most at conflict with the western world. Your right multiculturalism is not a problem as long as it is not pushed onto others. So using the examples of Muslims and gays as you did is an interesting one. Which of those two do you think is more tolerant of the other you might ask?
The radical jews who push for this destruction of your races through multiculturism are maintaining their own race with laws that forbid interracial marriage, and they have full segregation from other races in Israel. What they are doing is genocide of the white race.
very well said..the multiculturalism somehow is pushed only in the West..Let Pakistan and Saudi strive for Multiculturalism ...they never would..Multiculturalism is a war against the Western World and its goal --consciously thought of or not--is the West's destruction
@Kbrt111 You make an excellent point.Though I suppose any globalist with control aspirations sees multiculturalism as a stepping stone toward universal conformity.
finally someone without their head up their ass. everyone is allowed to preserve their heritage..........besides white people. others celebrating their culture is deemed as that of harmony, contributing to "diversity." white people doing the same are deemed as racist haters. even addressing this situation is unacceptable in mainstream society. freedom of speech my ass.
Immigrants went to Europe as cheap labour. There are 15 million immigrants in Europe, including five million in France, three million in Germany and one million in the Netherlands. These minorities needed help from the state, which they did not receive. More than three decades have passed since the first wave of immigration began during which the governments concerned did little to help the immigrants integrate. And now a number of emerging rightwing parties want the immigrants thrown out.
Multiculturalism is working. Cultural Marxism and political correctness were created by diabolical Jews at the Frankfurt school. The intended purpose of cultural Marxism is the destruction of western civilization. Yes, multiculturalism is working as designed toward the destruction of European culture. Multiculturalism is a weapon, and we are at war.
When I grow up I will have at least 5 children. All of my European brethren should do the same. It was our God given job to tame the world. And now we realize if Apes and savages are given the same freedom as us they, of course, act as Apes. They are so ungrateful for the progress our ancestors have produced. My fellow Europeans we must show them our superiority as we did in the 50s when times were prosperous. The European race will dominate once again.
You do realise that Murray has relatively little in common with the standard Conservatives? Murray is actually very liberal in his stance on many issues. Nice try at showing an out-of-context clip and pinning the word 'Neo-Conservative' onto him to try and make him look bad. Neo-Conservatism is not Conservatism. They are different things. He is a great man and people if you want to see what he is really like, then watch him in full debate.
Its because its apart of an agenda... They want to shut down the west and never have such a powerful people like that again. Its a terrible agenda and its going to lead to enslavement of every man, woman and child on planet earth.
I think the left is severely mistaken on their worship of multiculturalism. However, this leaves moderate liberals with no party to vote for; I'm loathe to support the dems blind multiculturalism and anti west rhetoric but I can't vote for the anti abortion, prayer in school republicans.
There really is no where for the common sense person anymore.
Ron Paul... he is the only politician on Capitol Hill who eloquently expresses the danger of internationalism and loss of national soverignty. Thats why all the international bankers and EU/global governance powergrabbers absolutely hate him.
He is also the only one who will stop spreading our military in 200+ different bases all over the globe, get us out and prevent these Iraq, Libyas, etc. We cannot afford this.
@MrWatchdawg77 I can round it out a bit: the multicultural movement is not a movement that white folks need to consider joining, this movement is not designed for them. The role of the average white American in this movement is not one that allows for their self-interests to be met or even considered in the least, their role is to support the movement and just shut up. Their partnership will be rejected, but they better fund the idea regardless.
Multiculturalism and diversity is a weapon desinged by Juice at the Frankfurt school. Marxist Juice introduce and promote the concept of diversity, and forced equality to undermine the dominate culture and replace it with Juicy culture. Political correctness is weapon Juice use to stifle the dominate culture's ability to defend themselves.
@BSANONYMOUS No, you are the one claming that someone is carrying out genocide in Europe, even though know one has ever seen it. I'm afraid you are the one who is talking nonsense.
Multiculturalism only truly works when the people from immigrant countries actually make it a solid effort to try and integrate into their adopted country, but sadly most immigrants are lazy, they end up leeching off of the welfare system of their host countries and in the end they turn the country they come to into the very same third world hellhole that they came from.
@rickelmonoggin "Multiculturalism" is a contradictory word, as it leads to less culture, i.e. genocide of people of European ethnicity (as it's only countries that are founded by people of European ethnicity that are being invaded by hordes of 3rd-worlders).
@Chrijz I haven't seen any of this genocide in the UK. Maybe you could point out where this has happened. My suspicion is that you have no examples of this whatsoever and you are just trying to whip up fear and hatred.
Radical multiculturalism is a disease that threatens the western world.
Many people who are immigrants who come to western countries and don't even bother to try and intigrate into the society of that country, they'd rather to turn their host countries into the same hellholes that they originally came from.
Sounds like another angry white male trying to justify his hate. All those who agree with this psuedo-fascist really need to deal with your own individual issues. Go see a shrink and get help for your inferiority complex....
@ChristianDLindsey It is the anti-white liberals who are the real fascists. Whites are victimized on a daily basis and they have no laws to protect them otherwise they would be accused of being racist. Liberal fascists are the real fascists.
You know that does more violence to the West than multicultralism? Neo-Conservatism and its constant interevention into Asia, Africa and Latin America. Neo- Conservatism is the reason why so many hate the West, stop trying to impose our culture onto others who do not want it.
@Plato86 Zionism and Communism are two isms of the same ugly beast. Neoconservatism is Zionist. Zionism is racial nationalism or NAZI. Marxism is unnatural forced equality, and anti-nationalist.
I would believe he is anti-neo-con if taking this position. The neo-cons are the ones pushing multiculturalism and globalist agenda down our throats. Bush and his affiliation with racist Abe Foxman and the ADL who advocates bulldozing palestinian homes of the native semites, but really seems to push the anti-semitism card. The word is a MISAPPREHENSION of true definitive reality. Israelis are whites predominately.
The problems with the values of multiculturalism and liberlsim is that there are no values. Its just one big experiment that has been done before and has failed...
You can label him if u like but he is absolutely right. Multicultualism, as catastrophically attempted in much of Western Europe, is anathema to Americans. We desire and require that all our new citizens become steeped in our precious values of individual liberty and freedom and ultimately fully assimilate. Read "While Europe Slept" by Bruce Bawer & "America Alone" by Steyn. The idicocy of p/c muti-culti is also actually cruel to the immigrants.
@fredzepp1 I like the smell of what you're cooking, that is a well earned thumbs up. Fact of the matter is that American values are second to none, and like a fine whiskey you don't water it down with lesser content. If people want to come to America and prosper, I fully support them no matter what their ethnicity is; but I don't want to see our superiority diminished by diluting our efficacy. Police in my city are taught to accept wife beating as a cultural difference - I simply don't agree.
@fredzepp1 "desire and require"? you must be highly deluded to think that this is what is going on in the US today - immigrants have been encouraged not to assimilate for more than 3 decades - the history of the US is looked down upon more and more - it is portrayed as racist, dead white people's nonsense – what is going on in the US is exactly the same as what is going on in Europe
@planetsandme – “white guilt” allowing liberal governments to create a system whereby “disenfranchised” minorities are paid to stay calm– it is obvious that a multicultural society only exists because the government props it up with a lot of money from the majority - now that the money has ran out and whites can no longer pay the bill, we will see more and more violence in the US – race driven street warfare coming up soon
@planetsandme – “white guilt” allowing liberal governments to create a system whereby “disenfranchised” minorities are paid to stay calm– it is obvious that a multicultural society only exists because the government props it up with a lot of money from the majority - now that the money has ran out and whites can no longer pay the bill, we will see more and more violence in the US – race driven street warfare coming up soon
@planetsandme – “white guilt” allowing liberal governments to create a system whereby “disenfranchised” minorities are paid to stay calm– it is obvious that a multicultural society only exists because the government props it up with a lot of money from the majority - now that the money has ran out and whites can no longer pay the bill, we will see more and more violence in the US – race driven street warfare coming up soon
I acctually agree. We dont need to blend cultures. We just need to keep our own cultures. Europe was never meant to be a melting pot. America really wasnt either, it just turned out that way.
People who blame people with other skin colors they dont know for their own hardships are soooooo misguided and lack logic. It amazes me that people buy into stuff guys like this suit are saying. Yeah! colored people are the problem, lets kill em all!!!..50 years later all colored people are dead...oh we still have problems...yeah birds are the problem lets kill all the birds!!!..300 years later only a handful of white men...uh...i think that suit has been lying to us..hes the problem!!
Everyone who is thinking sees that multiculturalism is ruining Europe. The problem we face now is that since the liberals have been allowed to create this "multicultural" mess how do we UNDO it??
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i will tell you all about european culture-if you aint white you aint right. its time to colonize europe. where are all the white women for my big african dick.
Nah we need to colonize more primitive societies such as the ones in Africa that way we can enlighten them with our superior Western principles so they won't have to live in such primitive societies.
In multiculturalism, you have arabs celebrating their arabness, chinese celebrating their chinesiness, etc, which REALLY just means that the groups are continuously proclaiming that they are different from the rest of the people they are living with.
In the melting pot view, we're NOT all different from one another. We all celebrate pretty much the same thing and don't proclaim our history as different from person to person.
Best explanation I could do in 500 chars. sorry :(.
Every human being is different from each other . I don't know how you can define some common standard that we can all try and converge on.
I don't know how your definition of melting pot works since I don't know that there was ever a time when Chinese people thought they were any less Chinese than they do now, or black people pretended that they weren't really black.
As far as I am concerned the two terms are synonymous.
Yeah, you definitely don't get the melting pot. No worries though. They don't teach it these days.
A man from China would not have to pretend he wasn't Chinese. He would have to say that a more important aspect of himself is that he is a human being, just as everyone else around him is.
There ARE a number of cultures that are better than others. Melting pots like America once homogenized them. M-culturalism keeps the good and the bad, and segregates them all. It's not a good thing.
Melting POT. True, there were problems integrating black people. Most of that is because we had slavery though. Regardless, a typical black American fits in MUCH better anywhere in America than he does anywhere in Africa.
And yes, we've had chinatowns and little Italies(sp?), but they're a stopping over point, not a destination. At least they were before multiculturalism caught on.
And if we aren't allowed to 'bother' anyone else, then we can't do much indeede now, can we?
"And yes, we've had chinatowns and little Italies(sp?), but they're a stopping over point, not a destination."
Well, says who? I would hate it if we had a homogenized society to the extent that there were no more Chinese takeaways or Italian restaurants. I love the fact that there are cinemas in cities in my country where I can go and watch a Bollywood film. These all add to the diversity of life and are what give us a 'melting pot'.
Ok, if you think I'm saying there would or should be no more italian or chinese restaurants, then you're really not understanding me. I give up now. Nice talking to you!
It's not that I'm misunderstanding you. It's that you yourself don't understand the implications of your argument. You say you want people to become more 'homogenized'-that means that you want them to give up aspects of their native culture.
The problem you have is that you have assumed that there are no aspects of that culture which might be desirable to you as well. I brought up the example of Chinese and Italian restaurants to show you that there are indeed such aspects.
Alright, I'll try one more time. When the US was formed in 1776, there was no such thing as pizza. It just was not part of our culture. Then some Italians came to the country, and by and large became plain old Americans. They also brought the recipe for pizza!
Now pizza is part of the American culture. Not the 'Italian-American' culture. The American culture. Cultures change all the time via immigration, but when everyone shares it, there is less strife. Less culture clash. Less war.
That was just a tiny example of how melting pots merge cultures, keeping the best parts, while multiculturalism keeps the groups separate and adds tension. I'm sad that I don't know how to make the differences or the benefit of melting any clearer.
But under your plan for everyone to 'homogenize', the Italians would have had to stop eating pizza and it would never have become an 'American' dish.
What you need to do is to try is to understand what multi-culturalism actually is rather than just this word that you've conditioned yourself to revolt from automatically.
As I asked at the begining-'melting pot', 'multi-culturalism': what's the difference?
"...Italians would have had to stop eating pizza..."
Absolute rubbish. Where do you come up with such nonsense? I'm having serious trouble believing that you don't understand this. I've already explained twice the difference between a melting pot society and a multicultural society. As I said before, I simply can't make it any clearer to you. So again, I give up.
Sura?? 13:13, Muhammad claimed that thunder is an angel, and when it thunders
It says glory be to god. The science says the lightning and thunder are casued by the interaction of negative and positive charges in the clouds. who would you believe?
plz. Check the book 101 myths of the bible, by greenberg to know how jews copied the biblical stories from Egyptian mythology
These stories were later plagiarized by christians and muslims in their books
The United States Of Ameritard has bought into the Multi-Culti.....cult, hook line and sinker. I feel truly sickened and distressed thinking about what this country will be like when Hispanics and Blacks get majority control. Fellow Ameritard, you do know that White Europeans have built and maintain the greatest societies in the world? Think about the black countries and what they are like, do your want that?
The societies run by Hispanics are better, but by how much? Don't be brainwashed.
@rickelmonoggin: Does it really matter if I am a racist, that word is so overused, it has lost its fire. Can you deny the fact that whites have built and maintained the greatest societies in the world? How about modernity, if you like it, thank a stupid honkey. Power grid, jet engine, transistor, radio, variable valve timing.....you name it, a white is responsible for most of the great inventions.
It may have lost it's 'fire' as you say. What it hasn't done is lost it's meaning. Your views are racist, so why shouldn't they be called that?
Many racists are scared of the 'r' word and instead hide behind terms like 'multi culturalism' and 'political correctness' to articulate their views, and get very shirty when you try and get them to confront the truth.
@rickelmonoggin: I like it when people show me how brainwashed society has become. Really, I could not care less when the R word is thrown at me. I find the whole Multi-Culti cult to be insanely robotic and offensive. Black females have a 70% out of wedlock birth rate. Blacks have one of the highest obesity rates in the world. Average black IQ is 10-15 points lower than the average white IQ. Should we talk about black majority cities.....tee hee hee, no...thought that would be the answer.
Of all these great achievements by white society-how many have actually been made by you? none of them- I suspect is the answer, so perhaps it's you who we should be getting rid of.
there's certainly no shortage of white deadbeats around: unemployable neds, junkies and assorted dole bludgers, and the idea that they represent some kind of 'master-race' is laughable.
@rickelmonoggin: Don't want to touch some of the stats I threw out, that does not suprise me. I will guess you have not had the pleasure of living around Urban Americans. I was walking home through downtown tonight. The police were out in force, busting the creeps selling drugs. I counted five cops in different areas who had guys in cuffs. I will give you one guess, as to the race of the males in cuffs.
I am in my room with earmuffs on, there is a Urban American blasting his music, typical.
@rickelmonoggin: Really, where did you get the impression that I think ALL whites are just great? I have to be logical when it comes to evaluating which group is the least desireable for society. Statistics are one thing I use to evaluate who is good/bad for this society. A lot of the black races stats are horrifying, I need not repeat them, you probably know them just as well as me. Also my own personal observations seal the deal, Urban Americans are a real poor fit for this country.
"Really, where did you get the impression that I think ALL whites are just great? "
Good, I'm glad we agree that that is a foolish notion. And that is why it is also foolish to generalise and discriminate against people on the basis of race. If you accept the first notion, you must accept the second.
@rickelmonoggin: Well, then I guess you cannot parse information and make a decision about it. If facts are not meaningful to you, then, maybe emotions rule your life. I will not post any more stats relating to Urban Americans, it is not going to make you think outside your bubble. I have lived around blacks all of my life, that is why I dislike them so much, reality hits home.
So even though you agree that being of a particular race doesn't determine the type of person you necessarily are, you still think we should discriminate on the grounds of race.
@rickelmonoggin Uh, where did I say that race is not determinate in your life? I will readily say that there are trashy, troubled people of every race, that is a fact. But, I must go to statistics, something that you seem to dislike and give no weight. Do you want me to compare some stats for blacks and whites? No, I thought so. Like I said before, I have lived around blacks all of my life, they have to be the least desireable people to live around, out of any race of people....in my opinion.
You can find some statistics which say that black people are somehow 'undesirable'. Then again, you can find others which say something different.
I don't think it's right or wise to reduce human beings to numbers in this way-you might find yourself at the wrong end of them some day. If we find some which mark you out as an 'undesirable' will you by happy if we get rid of you?
@rickelmonoggin Well, you are in for a shock, your multi-culti attitude may crumble when the blacking and browning of America makes this country less and less of a 1st world country. It is just a fact that blacks and hispanics do not build or maintain societies at the same levels as whites or asians. Look for a city resembling Detriot to spring up near you.
@rickelmonoggin What I would suggest is a change in the immigration policies, no black or hispanic immigration into the USA. The Usa's borders would be secured, no more Usa babysitting the world. I would also end all Welfare, affirmative action, baby moma bennies. All desegregation would be only on a voluntary basis, no school busing. These are some of the things I would do to keep this country a first world country. Funny, you a lib are the first to suggest violence and imprisonment
@tickyul Sorry, that attempt at a smear wont work. All anyone has to do is read down the thread to see what I've actually written.
Even if one accepts your premise that 'multiculturalism is a problem', you don't offer any workable solutions: Stopping immigration wont change the fact that there are already millions of black and Hispanic people in the US. Nor will your plan for 'voluntary desegegation' work either- Desegregation has already happened-about forty years ago! Too late, my friend!
@rickelmonnogin2 From your own previous post a direct quote:So what are you suggesting, etc etc, kill..blah blah.Those ideas did not originate from me, you are the one who put them in your post, own up. As for the number of blacks and hispanics, changes in immigration and elimination of programs they thrive one (affirmative action, quotas, welfare, etc.) would slowly bring their numbers down. If Big Brother would let people alone, you would find a lot more VOLUNTARY segregation.
@tickyul Not sure what your point is. As I've said, people just have to read down the thread to see what I've said, they don't have to pay attention to your attempted smears.
You appear to be unaware that white people get welfare too. If you get rid of it, you will be condemning several of your own kind as well.
@rickelmonoggin Again, you paint me with a broad brush, I know that every race has good and bad, that should go without saying. I guess that the finer points in evaluating the success of a race in a modern society has slipped past you. I say "finer" in jest, the poor conduct of a large percentage of Blacks would be glaringly obvious to all but LIBS IN DENIAL. The average Ameritard is even starting to wake up to what a mess MULTI-CULTI societies have become.
@tickyul What is glaringly obvious is the poor behaviour of a large majority of human beings of all races. You are in denial if you cannot accept that. I'm not interested in evaluating whole races of people. I take people as they come and judge them as individuals. That is the only reasonable way to do it.
@rickelmonoggin Hah, you must live around nice people. I live around plenty of blacks and it is not too pretty. Some races are just better suited for a modern society, some are poorly suited for modernity. The greatest inventions of the 200 years have come from whites. Blacks have basically wrecked the cities they have been in charge of. I guess I have to go back to you inability to parse facts and statistics, a huge shortcoming when you want to evaluate anything.
@rickelmonoggin Again, you come across as the fluffy headed, multi culti type. I am among a new type of Ameritard, there are more and more every day, we honestly evaluate what is happening in society. Facts mean things to me, they are brutally honest in showing who is the dregs of society. I do not scapegoat, I look at facts, statistics and also personal experience. Black women have the highest out of wedlock birth rate in the USA......BRAVO!
@rickelmonoggin Well, you really are showing your insanity now. Uh, you do not see the horrible level of generational dependence on welfare that high out of wedlock births would cause? The true lack of insight into what obviously should be considered a huge problem amazes me, you truly must be either brainwashed or joking.
@tickyul No, you are showing your insanity.You've talked alot about your faith in statistics, so lets see some rather than just your unsupported opinion. What are the respective rates of out-of-wedlock births amongst whites and blacks?
@rickelmonoggin What am I, a library? You can easily Google the terms "blacks""out of wedlock births""2010", and come up with many reputable sites. As if you have to confirm something that even you know is true. Let me ask you a direct question, DO YOU THINK BLACKS CAN MAINTAIN/ADVANCE THIS SOCIETY AS WELL AS WHITES HAVE? Please, no beating around the bush, answer the question.
@tickyu:If you knew what the figures were you wouldn't have to look them up would you? I suspected that you didn't actually know what the figures are and you have just confirmed it . You were lying when you claimed that your opinions were based on statistics. You have shown that they are clearly based on ill informed prejudice.
@rickelmonoggin Here's the problem. Here we have from the Census Bureau the record of nonmarital births for whites, and for Hispanics, which we haven't been collecting data that long, and for blacks, and we now have reached the point where one out of every three American children is born outside marriage. Almost 70 percent of black children are born outside marriage and about 45 percent of Hispanic children.
@tickyul So just to confirm, you'd like all the black people who aren't having kids out of wedlock kicked out of the country, but you want all those white people who are having kids out of wedlock to be allowed to stay.
Can you explain how your opinion makes one iota of sense?
@rickelmonoggin In a previous post I made my feelings clear about "BABY MOMMA BENNIES". Here it is again, IF YOU HAVE A KID RAISE IT ON YOUR OWN DIME, IF YOU CANNOT...YOU LOSE CUSTODY......no matter what race. The whole system of women pumping out babies BECAUSE they know they can go on the dole is sick, it is one of the things that is wrecking this country.
@rickelmonoggin No,nothing of the sort. I just wanted to acknowledge that there are troubled creeps from every race. But, the real issue is which race has a curve on the graph that trends so far towards MAJOR SOCIETAL PROBLEM that they are a drag on the whole country. Destroyed cities that have been controlled by these Urban Americans since the 60's, is that whiteys fault Mr PC?
@tickyul Is it the fault of white people that some white people have children out of wedlock?
Assuming that this is a problem (which I don't accept btw), well, yes, it is the fault of white people that white people have children out of wedlock. Who's else would it be?
I prefer the idea that people take responsibility for their own actions, however.
@rickelmonoggin Blame is not really that important for me, living a peaceful life is. I look at the facts and adjust my life accordingly, helps me keep safe. Seeing a group Japanese teen males walking down the street does not send up red flags for me, black teens...well, you can guess what I am going to say. Urban Americans ( in general) seem to blame everyone else for their shortcomings.
@rickelmonoggin Uh, where do you see me blaming others for my shortcomings, I do not. Try to think and it will help you make logical posts. Tell me, why do you have such an unrealistic view of this country and our troubled Urban American population, you must live in a gated community. Easy to be a lib when you do not live among savages, just like Brabra Striesham.
@tickyul : Actually, you blame Black people for your shortcomings in virtually every one of your posts. It's a pity you haven't got the self awareness to realise this.
@rickelmonoggin Now you are making sense...the PCnazi way. If you cannot pick apart my argument, just spew a bunch of babble, that will get you far. Do you think violent crime is a detestable thing? Do you know that there are thousands of noviolent white prisoners that are raped and tortured by blacks every year, some are sold into sexual slavery. Over 90% of prison rape is black on white, that is truly sick. Blacks commit 55% of the violent crime in the USA black males are 6% of the population.
@rickelmonoggin You NEVER repond to the factual points I make, you just blubber about some slight that is soooo horrific in your mind, which in actuality is said in jest and quite mild. Did you ever see the Soupnazi episode of Seinfeld? My PCnazi comment should have come across to you as a slight jab at your ideology, you took it as a horrible slight. Now, what do you think about the fact that 6% (black males) of the population commits over 50% of the violent crime??????????
@rickelmonoggin Uh, you are making my point for me, a light reference to you being a "pcnazi" is a lot different from me accusing you of being a "true incarnation of a nazi soldier". You keep deflecting the points I make with ridiculous whiny type complaints. Why don't you respond to one of the horrific stats that I have continually posted on this little thread we have going. Do you have a problem with facts, is your ideology put above all......no matter what?
@rickelmonoggin: I really wish you conservatives would stop whining about everything: how liberals are all against you, and black people are all out to get you, and using statistics which don't make any sense to somehow 'prove' your argument.
And btw, it is offensive to call people 'Nazis', so please stop it.
@rickelmonoggin Unfortunately for you most conservatives are right, liberals are irresponsible and incompetant, their policies do not work and every liberal utopian vision and idea throughout history has been a complete failure.
@TheAgnosticAspie actually, if it wasn't for liberalism we'd still be ruled by absolutists monarchs who answer to no-one. Be thankful for liberals that their endeavors to establish freedom allow you the right to speak as much drivel as you please.
Actually the concept of absolute monarchy is fundamentally illiberal, so being opposed to it is a liberal position. Equal rights for all and freedom from oppression are all liberal ideals, so all those who fight for them can reasonably called 'liberals'.
Wanting to kick all black people out of the USA is not a liberal position.
@cleverfeller Yes, moron, the idea that kings do not have a divine right to rule is a liberal idea. In any case, Cromwell didn't end the monarchy in the UK (It still exists), and Cromwell in the end was only interested in replacing one dictator with another-himself. Cromwell did not act on his own, however. He was able to exploit the fact that there was a mood in the country which felt that Charles I was overextending himself and denying them their freedoms.
Unnatural to tolerate differences? Well, everyone is different, so what you're saying is that you shouldn't tolerate anyone. Nice world you want to live in.
Yes we are different and when someone who is different opposes you and is racist towards you then no you can't tolerate them because they are a threat.
You want to live in a world where we all live together yet denying we are different and denying the crime and problems we face due to our differences....you are the problem with society.
Yes it does . . Xenophobia is a very silly way of putting it but the culture change has happened far too quickly in UK .. and the reality is that the majority of people were not warned about radical fundamentalist Muslims terrorising the UK.
How can people just be expected to accept certain cultures who simply do not fit in with the British way of life ?
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Douglas Murray is nothing more than a jumped up homosexual sounding private schoolboy, who is out to make a mess of Britain ( while lining his own pocket ) he is talking a load of jargon that only his kind of people understand.
But he should never under estimate the power of the common people .. he is the man who is out to destroy everything that is British. He is the man who is scared of the BNP and he has just handed a dossier over to the police trying to brand innocent people as racists.
i understand wanting to preserve american values and traditions but forcing immigrants to accept it is cruel and defies a key american values. FREEDOM AND LIBERTY
ryanwill32 6 months ago
AWWWW. whitey soooo mad.
beesleeper 8 months ago
Multiculturalism isnt as bad as most make it seem. If you ask all you have to do is just accept other peoples culture as is. If someone is Muslim, I dont give a shit. So the problem is people not minding their own damn business. Its the same thing with gays.
So Multiculturalism works best when people stay out of other peoples personal lives.
But then again this isnt really about culture its about race. We all know it. White people dont a problem with other white people but them darkies... lol.
teddybruscie 8 months ago
@teddybruscie Actually, at this juncture, i think its more about a particular religion. Nobody is complaining about immigrants who are hindu, non-Muslim Africans, Chinese ect.. Its just one group that is most at conflict with the western world. Your right multiculturalism is not a problem as long as it is not pushed onto others. So using the examples of Muslims and gays as you did is an interesting one. Which of those two do you think is more tolerant of the other you might ask?
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The radical jews who push for this destruction of your races through multiculturism are maintaining their own race with laws that forbid interracial marriage, and they have full segregation from other races in Israel. What they are doing is genocide of the white race.
Sh0klar 8 months ago
i thought it was about culture not race
BEARARMZ 9 months ago
very well said..the multiculturalism somehow is pushed only in the West..Let Pakistan and Saudi strive for Multiculturalism ...they never would..Multiculturalism is a war against the Western World and its goal --consciously thought of or not--is the West's destruction
Kbrt111 10 months ago
@Kbrt111 You make an excellent point.Though I suppose any globalist with control aspirations sees multiculturalism as a stepping stone toward universal conformity.
Pomiferous 10 months ago
Multiculturalism is definitely code for anti-white.
mtb416 11 months ago
finally someone without their head up their ass. everyone is allowed to preserve their heritage..........besides white people. others celebrating their culture is deemed as that of harmony, contributing to "diversity." white people doing the same are deemed as racist haters. even addressing this situation is unacceptable in mainstream society. freedom of speech my ass.
michaelzwarszawy 11 months ago 5
lol, okay what will they do? exterminate non whites? The return of nazism certainly. Conservatives have always thought about this.
phantomsuccour 1 year ago
@phantomsuccour
you are an idiot.
ultimatetalesfan19 1 year ago
Immigrants went to Europe as cheap labour. There are 15 million immigrants in Europe, including five million in France, three million in Germany and one million in the Netherlands. These minorities needed help from the state, which they did not receive. More than three decades have passed since the first wave of immigration began during which the governments concerned did little to help the immigrants integrate. And now a number of emerging rightwing parties want the immigrants thrown out.
fromwilliams 1 year ago
@fromwilliams and thank god, may the air of europe and north america once again be clearer
narff1 9 months ago
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Multiculturalism is working. Cultural Marxism and political correctness were created by diabolical Jews at the Frankfurt school. The intended purpose of cultural Marxism is the destruction of western civilization. Yes, multiculturalism is working as designed toward the destruction of European culture. Multiculturalism is a weapon, and we are at war.
foxrat123 1 year ago
Exterminate internationalism with a clenched fist!
IggyHazard 1 year ago 4
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When I grow up I will have at least 5 children. All of my European brethren should do the same. It was our God given job to tame the world. And now we realize if Apes and savages are given the same freedom as us they, of course, act as Apes. They are so ungrateful for the progress our ancestors have produced. My fellow Europeans we must show them our superiority as we did in the 50s when times were prosperous. The European race will dominate once again.
ThisAccountNameIs 1 year ago
You do realise that Murray has relatively little in common with the standard Conservatives? Murray is actually very liberal in his stance on many issues. Nice try at showing an out-of-context clip and pinning the word 'Neo-Conservative' onto him to try and make him look bad. Neo-Conservatism is not Conservatism. They are different things. He is a great man and people if you want to see what he is really like, then watch him in full debate.
DancinJim 1 year ago
Its because its apart of an agenda... They want to shut down the west and never have such a powerful people like that again. Its a terrible agenda and its going to lead to enslavement of every man, woman and child on planet earth.
Fnord23Gnosis 1 year ago
I think the left is severely mistaken on their worship of multiculturalism. However, this leaves moderate liberals with no party to vote for; I'm loathe to support the dems blind multiculturalism and anti west rhetoric but I can't vote for the anti abortion, prayer in school republicans.
There really is no where for the common sense person anymore.
areyouquitemad 1 year ago
@areyouquitemad
Ron Paul... he is the only politician on Capitol Hill who eloquently expresses the danger of internationalism and loss of national soverignty. Thats why all the international bankers and EU/global governance powergrabbers absolutely hate him.
He is also the only one who will stop spreading our military in 200+ different bases all over the globe, get us out and prevent these Iraq, Libyas, etc. We cannot afford this.
bobshenix 9 months ago
Yes yes he's a neocon.
Wow that hurts , good argument .
richfisherman 1 year ago
Extermination of the white race. That's all it is.
UFOdisclosure1 1 year ago
Multiculturalism is the extermination of the white race. That's all it is.
UFOdisclosure1 1 year ago
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Multiculturalism is extermination of the white race. That's all it is.
They don't promote multiculturalism in non white countries.
UFOdisclosure1 1 year ago
Multiculturalism is extermination of the white race. That's all it is.
They don't promote multiculturalism in non-white countries.
UFOdisclosure1 1 year ago
@BSANONYMOUS agreed
johnbr59 1 year ago
This video is TRUTH
cakadoo21 1 year ago
I'm from India. He is DEAD right.
geodesicks 1 year ago
Multiculturalism is code for, "white guys need not apply!"
MrWatchdawg77 1 year ago 27
@MrWatchdawg77 They don't have to waste time applying for their rejection, but you can bet they will foot the bill regardless!
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist I'm not sure what is meant by your comment?
MrWatchdawg77 1 year ago
@MrWatchdawg77 I can round it out a bit: the multicultural movement is not a movement that white folks need to consider joining, this movement is not designed for them. The role of the average white American in this movement is not one that allows for their self-interests to be met or even considered in the least, their role is to support the movement and just shut up. Their partnership will be rejected, but they better fund the idea regardless.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist Well, they might run into some opposition then!
MrWatchdawg77 1 year ago
Multiculturalism and diversity is a weapon desinged by Juice at the Frankfurt school. Marxist Juice introduce and promote the concept of diversity, and forced equality to undermine the dominate culture and replace it with Juicy culture. Political correctness is weapon Juice use to stifle the dominate culture's ability to defend themselves.
foxrat123 1 year ago 2
@BSANONYMOUS Yeah, I'm not too bothered about 'extermination' when it doesn't actually involve killing, or rather exterminating, people.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@BSANONYMOUS Show me where in Britain there are mass exterminations and I might take you seriously.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@BSANONYMOUS No, you are the one claming that someone is carrying out genocide in Europe, even though know one has ever seen it. I'm afraid you are the one who is talking nonsense.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@BSANONYMOUS Well, I haven't seen any mass exterminations going on. I think these must all be in your head.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
This guy is absolutely right. Multiculturalism is destroying the Western World.
Why does the western world have to be forced to accept multiculturalism while the rest of the world does not. Why the double standards?
LordMalice6d9 1 year ago
Multiculturalism only truly works when the people from immigrant countries actually make it a solid effort to try and integrate into their adopted country, but sadly most immigrants are lazy, they end up leeching off of the welfare system of their host countries and in the end they turn the country they come to into the very same third world hellhole that they came from.
TheAgnosticAspie 1 year ago
@TheAgnosticAspie Oh dear, you're clearly not aware that the U.S is almost entirely a country of immigrants. How foolish of you not to realise that.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin Implicitly s/he obviously meant 3rd-world immigrants (ie, those who creates more conflict) in this context.
Multiculturalism leads to the death of the Western world.
Chrijz 1 year ago
@Chrijz the term 'multiculturalism' is such a wooly and vague expression. It seems too often to be a dog-whistle for covert racism.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin "Multiculturalism" is a contradictory word, as it leads to less culture, i.e. genocide of people of European ethnicity (as it's only countries that are founded by people of European ethnicity that are being invaded by hordes of 3rd-worlders).
Chrijz 1 year ago
@Chrijz I haven't seen any of this genocide in the UK. Maybe you could point out where this has happened. My suspicion is that you have no examples of this whatsoever and you are just trying to whip up fear and hatred.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
I hate admit it but he's right.
Radical multiculturalism is a disease that threatens the western world.
Many people who are immigrants who come to western countries and don't even bother to try and intigrate into the society of that country, they'd rather to turn their host countries into the same hellholes that they originally came from.
TheAgnosticAspie 1 year ago
Sounds like another angry white male trying to justify his hate. All those who agree with this psuedo-fascist really need to deal with your own individual issues. Go see a shrink and get help for your inferiority complex....
ChristianDLindsey 1 year ago
@ChristianDLindsey It is the anti-white liberals who are the real fascists. Whites are victimized on a daily basis and they have no laws to protect them otherwise they would be accused of being racist. Liberal fascists are the real fascists.
LordMalice6d9 1 year ago
You know that does more violence to the West than multicultralism? Neo-Conservatism and its constant interevention into Asia, Africa and Latin America. Neo- Conservatism is the reason why so many hate the West, stop trying to impose our culture onto others who do not want it.
Plato86 1 year ago 3
@Plato86 Zionism and Communism are two isms of the same ugly beast. Neoconservatism is Zionist. Zionism is racial nationalism or NAZI. Marxism is unnatural forced equality, and anti-nationalist.
foxrat123 1 year ago
This is why multiculturalism is idolotry, worship everybody elses' god but ours.
Hughganaught 1 year ago
@Hughganaught Its because your god is a joke. Everyone knows this....
ChristianDLindsey 1 year ago
I would believe he is anti-neo-con if taking this position. The neo-cons are the ones pushing multiculturalism and globalist agenda down our throats. Bush and his affiliation with racist Abe Foxman and the ADL who advocates bulldozing palestinian homes of the native semites, but really seems to push the anti-semitism card. The word is a MISAPPREHENSION of true definitive reality. Israelis are whites predominately.
Capitalist09 1 year ago
explains why there all racists.
DSD1v57BG32 1 year ago
The problems with the values of multiculturalism and liberlsim is that there are no values. Its just one big experiment that has been done before and has failed...
dadecountyhustler305 1 year ago
he is totally right, we need to fight against multiculturalism, i despise it.
trigga1uk 1 year ago
You can label him if u like but he is absolutely right. Multicultualism, as catastrophically attempted in much of Western Europe, is anathema to Americans. We desire and require that all our new citizens become steeped in our precious values of individual liberty and freedom and ultimately fully assimilate. Read "While Europe Slept" by Bruce Bawer & "America Alone" by Steyn. The idicocy of p/c muti-culti is also actually cruel to the immigrants.
fredzepp1 1 year ago 34
@fredzepp1 I like the smell of what you're cooking, that is a well earned thumbs up. Fact of the matter is that American values are second to none, and like a fine whiskey you don't water it down with lesser content. If people want to come to America and prosper, I fully support them no matter what their ethnicity is; but I don't want to see our superiority diminished by diluting our efficacy. Police in my city are taught to accept wife beating as a cultural difference - I simply don't agree.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@fredzepp1 "desire and require"? you must be highly deluded to think that this is what is going on in the US today - immigrants have been encouraged not to assimilate for more than 3 decades - the history of the US is looked down upon more and more - it is portrayed as racist, dead white people's nonsense – what is going on in the US is exactly the same as what is going on in Europe
planetsandme 4 months ago
@planetsandme – “white guilt” allowing liberal governments to create a system whereby “disenfranchised” minorities are paid to stay calm– it is obvious that a multicultural society only exists because the government props it up with a lot of money from the majority - now that the money has ran out and whites can no longer pay the bill, we will see more and more violence in the US – race driven street warfare coming up soon
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@planetsandme – “white guilt” allowing liberal governments to create a system whereby “disenfranchised” minorities are paid to stay calm– it is obvious that a multicultural society only exists because the government props it up with a lot of money from the majority - now that the money has ran out and whites can no longer pay the bill, we will see more and more violence in the US – race driven street warfare coming up soon
planetsandme 4 months ago
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planetsandme 4 months ago
I acctually agree. We dont need to blend cultures. We just need to keep our own cultures. Europe was never meant to be a melting pot. America really wasnt either, it just turned out that way.
diamondfury31 1 year ago
People who blame people with other skin colors they dont know for their own hardships are soooooo misguided and lack logic. It amazes me that people buy into stuff guys like this suit are saying. Yeah! colored people are the problem, lets kill em all!!!..50 years later all colored people are dead...oh we still have problems...yeah birds are the problem lets kill all the birds!!!..300 years later only a handful of white men...uh...i think that suit has been lying to us..hes the problem!!
TonyMacoroni1 1 year ago
Everyone who is thinking sees that multiculturalism is ruining Europe. The problem we face now is that since the liberals have been allowed to create this "multicultural" mess how do we UNDO it??
WhiteInterestNetwork 1 year ago
@edwardtarr1 good.
NottinghamForest22 1 year ago
Multiculturalism is cultural entropy (literally mathematically speaking): /watch?v=MDwi2BJgpRI
JohananRaatz 1 year ago 5
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i will tell you all about european culture-if you aint white you aint right. its time to colonize europe. where are all the white women for my big african dick.
swamimans 1 year ago
Nah we need to colonize more primitive societies such as the ones in Africa that way we can enlighten them with our superior Western principles so they won't have to live in such primitive societies.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago 3
@JohananRaatz no you need to stay the fuck out africa
getDun2012 1 year ago
@getDun2012 ?
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
I fucking HATE multiculturalism.
NottinghamForest22 1 year ago 32
@NottinghamForest22 I'm sure multiculturalism hates you too.
TonyMacoroni1 1 year ago
@TonyMacoroni1 i'm fine with that.
NottinghamForest22 1 year ago
He is 100% right.
fitz207 1 year ago 18
I totally agree with this guy.
waIIflower 1 year ago 2
What's 'neo' about this man? He sounds like a regular conservative to me.
Anyway, I like how he explains that multiculturalism is not about bringing us all together, but instead about keeping us all separate.
Melting pot is better than multicult.
blogegog 1 year ago
"Melting pot is better than multicult(uralism)"
What's the difference?
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
In multiculturalism, you have arabs celebrating their arabness, chinese celebrating their chinesiness, etc, which REALLY just means that the groups are continuously proclaiming that they are different from the rest of the people they are living with.
In the melting pot view, we're NOT all different from one another. We all celebrate pretty much the same thing and don't proclaim our history as different from person to person.
Best explanation I could do in 500 chars. sorry :(.
blogegog 1 year ago
Every human being is different from each other . I don't know how you can define some common standard that we can all try and converge on.
I don't know how your definition of melting pot works since I don't know that there was ever a time when Chinese people thought they were any less Chinese than they do now, or black people pretended that they weren't really black.
As far as I am concerned the two terms are synonymous.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
Yeah, you definitely don't get the melting pot. No worries though. They don't teach it these days.
A man from China would not have to pretend he wasn't Chinese. He would have to say that a more important aspect of himself is that he is a human being, just as everyone else around him is.
There ARE a number of cultures that are better than others. Melting pots like America once homogenized them. M-culturalism keeps the good and the bad, and segregates them all. It's not a good thing.
blogegog 1 year ago
No it's you who doesn't get the melting point. You have a very romanticised and essentialy false idea of what things were like in the past.
Exactly how much homogenization was possible when the USA had segregation for god's sake! And there has always been 'Chinatowns' and 'little Italys'.
The ethos that I subscribe to is that people can do whatever they want as long as they aren't bothering anyone else.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
What I can't abide is a group of people demanding that I adhere to some standard which they have unilateraly decided is the cultural norm.
I will be the person that I want to be, thankyou very much.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
Melting POT. True, there were problems integrating black people. Most of that is because we had slavery though. Regardless, a typical black American fits in MUCH better anywhere in America than he does anywhere in Africa.
And yes, we've had chinatowns and little Italies(sp?), but they're a stopping over point, not a destination. At least they were before multiculturalism caught on.
And if we aren't allowed to 'bother' anyone else, then we can't do much indeede now, can we?
blogegog 1 year ago
"And yes, we've had chinatowns and little Italies(sp?), but they're a stopping over point, not a destination."
Well, says who? I would hate it if we had a homogenized society to the extent that there were no more Chinese takeaways or Italian restaurants. I love the fact that there are cinemas in cities in my country where I can go and watch a Bollywood film. These all add to the diversity of life and are what give us a 'melting pot'.
That is the essence of multiculturalism to me.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
Ok, if you think I'm saying there would or should be no more italian or chinese restaurants, then you're really not understanding me. I give up now. Nice talking to you!
blogegog 1 year ago
It's not that I'm misunderstanding you. It's that you yourself don't understand the implications of your argument. You say you want people to become more 'homogenized'-that means that you want them to give up aspects of their native culture.
The problem you have is that you have assumed that there are no aspects of that culture which might be desirable to you as well. I brought up the example of Chinese and Italian restaurants to show you that there are indeed such aspects.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
Alright, I'll try one more time. When the US was formed in 1776, there was no such thing as pizza. It just was not part of our culture. Then some Italians came to the country, and by and large became plain old Americans. They also brought the recipe for pizza!
Now pizza is part of the American culture. Not the 'Italian-American' culture. The American culture. Cultures change all the time via immigration, but when everyone shares it, there is less strife. Less culture clash. Less war.
blogegog 1 year ago
That was just a tiny example of how melting pots merge cultures, keeping the best parts, while multiculturalism keeps the groups separate and adds tension. I'm sad that I don't know how to make the differences or the benefit of melting any clearer.
blogegog 1 year ago
But under your plan for everyone to 'homogenize', the Italians would have had to stop eating pizza and it would never have become an 'American' dish.
What you need to do is to try is to understand what multi-culturalism actually is rather than just this word that you've conditioned yourself to revolt from automatically.
As I asked at the begining-'melting pot', 'multi-culturalism': what's the difference?
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
"...Italians would have had to stop eating pizza..."
Absolute rubbish. Where do you come up with such nonsense? I'm having serious trouble believing that you don't understand this. I've already explained twice the difference between a melting pot society and a multicultural society. As I said before, I simply can't make it any clearer to you. So again, I give up.
blogegog 1 year ago
If you want people to give up their native culture, then they have to give up their native food. as part of that.
You can't have it both ways.
As I've said; it's you who does not comprehend the implications of what you are saying when you say you want more 'homogenization'.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
Speak the truth -- You are instantly branded a racist. Whatever.
foamulator 1 year ago
only wanky cultural relativists can open the doors to the religion of peace
PandemicMadness 1 year ago
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A challenge to muslim brothers and sisters:
Sura?? 13:13, Muhammad claimed that thunder is an angel, and when it thunders
It says glory be to god. The science says the lightning and thunder are casued by the interaction of negative and positive charges in the clouds. who would you believe?
plz. Check the book 101 myths of the bible, by greenberg to know how jews copied the biblical stories from Egyptian mythology
These stories were later plagiarized by christians and muslims in their books
zulfitareen 1 year ago
good we should start with the Jews like Mr Murray.
Penisherable 1 year ago
The United States Of Ameritard has bought into the Multi-Culti.....cult, hook line and sinker. I feel truly sickened and distressed thinking about what this country will be like when Hispanics and Blacks get majority control. Fellow Ameritard, you do know that White Europeans have built and maintain the greatest societies in the world? Think about the black countries and what they are like, do your want that?
The societies run by Hispanics are better, but by how much? Don't be brainwashed.
tickyul 1 year ago 3
Congratulations, you're a racist.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
Great, that is the best you can do, real slick.
tickyul 1 year ago
You're not worth a whole lot of effort to be honest! But you are a racist. I just thought you'd like to know that.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
Wow, that is a great complement coming from you. I guess you have a impossible time making a real critique of my points.
tickyul 1 year ago 2
That is a critique of your points-you're a racist. Are you planning on denying it?
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin: Does it really matter if I am a racist, that word is so overused, it has lost its fire. Can you deny the fact that whites have built and maintained the greatest societies in the world? How about modernity, if you like it, thank a stupid honkey. Power grid, jet engine, transistor, radio, variable valve timing.....you name it, a white is responsible for most of the great inventions.
tickyul 1 year ago 2
It may have lost it's 'fire' as you say. What it hasn't done is lost it's meaning. Your views are racist, so why shouldn't they be called that?
Many racists are scared of the 'r' word and instead hide behind terms like 'multi culturalism' and 'political correctness' to articulate their views, and get very shirty when you try and get them to confront the truth.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin: I like it when people show me how brainwashed society has become. Really, I could not care less when the R word is thrown at me. I find the whole Multi-Culti cult to be insanely robotic and offensive. Black females have a 70% out of wedlock birth rate. Blacks have one of the highest obesity rates in the world. Average black IQ is 10-15 points lower than the average white IQ. Should we talk about black majority cities.....tee hee hee, no...thought that would be the answer.
tickyul 1 year ago 2
Of all these great achievements by white society-how many have actually been made by you? none of them- I suspect is the answer, so perhaps it's you who we should be getting rid of.
there's certainly no shortage of white deadbeats around: unemployable neds, junkies and assorted dole bludgers, and the idea that they represent some kind of 'master-race' is laughable.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin: Don't want to touch some of the stats I threw out, that does not suprise me. I will guess you have not had the pleasure of living around Urban Americans. I was walking home through downtown tonight. The police were out in force, busting the creeps selling drugs. I counted five cops in different areas who had guys in cuffs. I will give you one guess, as to the race of the males in cuffs.
I am in my room with earmuffs on, there is a Urban American blasting his music, typical.
tickyul 1 year ago
And I see you returned the favour by not responding to any of my points, so we're even.
You seem to be in denial that there are stupid/evil/ obese white people too. I think you must be wearing eyemuffs as well.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin: Really, where did you get the impression that I think ALL whites are just great? I have to be logical when it comes to evaluating which group is the least desireable for society. Statistics are one thing I use to evaluate who is good/bad for this society. A lot of the black races stats are horrifying, I need not repeat them, you probably know them just as well as me. Also my own personal observations seal the deal, Urban Americans are a real poor fit for this country.
tickyul 1 year ago
"Really, where did you get the impression that I think ALL whites are just great? "
Good, I'm glad we agree that that is a foolish notion. And that is why it is also foolish to generalise and discriminate against people on the basis of race. If you accept the first notion, you must accept the second.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin: Well, then I guess you cannot parse information and make a decision about it. If facts are not meaningful to you, then, maybe emotions rule your life. I will not post any more stats relating to Urban Americans, it is not going to make you think outside your bubble. I have lived around blacks all of my life, that is why I dislike them so much, reality hits home.
tickyul 1 year ago
So even though you agree that being of a particular race doesn't determine the type of person you necessarily are, you still think we should discriminate on the grounds of race.
Your position simply isn't rational.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin Uh, where did I say that race is not determinate in your life? I will readily say that there are trashy, troubled people of every race, that is a fact. But, I must go to statistics, something that you seem to dislike and give no weight. Do you want me to compare some stats for blacks and whites? No, I thought so. Like I said before, I have lived around blacks all of my life, they have to be the least desireable people to live around, out of any race of people....in my opinion.
tickyul 1 year ago
There are lies, damn lies and statistics.
You can find some statistics which say that black people are somehow 'undesirable'. Then again, you can find others which say something different.
I don't think it's right or wise to reduce human beings to numbers in this way-you might find yourself at the wrong end of them some day. If we find some which mark you out as an 'undesirable' will you by happy if we get rid of you?
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
I'd sooner take people as they come, and have a justice system for dealing with any undesirable behaviour.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin Well, you are in for a shock, your multi-culti attitude may crumble when the blacking and browning of America makes this country less and less of a 1st world country. It is just a fact that blacks and hispanics do not build or maintain societies at the same levels as whites or asians. Look for a city resembling Detriot to spring up near you.
tickyul 1 year ago
So what are you suggesting?
We kill all non-whites?
We put them in camps?
We strip millions of people of citizenship and chuck them out of the country?
You can lament all you want, but you don't have any viable solution to what you think is a problem.
My solution is that people try their best to get on with each other by tolerating each others' differences.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin What I would suggest is a change in the immigration policies, no black or hispanic immigration into the USA. The Usa's borders would be secured, no more Usa babysitting the world. I would also end all Welfare, affirmative action, baby moma bennies. All desegregation would be only on a voluntary basis, no school busing. These are some of the things I would do to keep this country a first world country. Funny, you a lib are the first to suggest violence and imprisonment
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyul Sorry, that attempt at a smear wont work. All anyone has to do is read down the thread to see what I've actually written.
Even if one accepts your premise that 'multiculturalism is a problem', you don't offer any workable solutions: Stopping immigration wont change the fact that there are already millions of black and Hispanic people in the US. Nor will your plan for 'voluntary desegegation' work either- Desegregation has already happened-about forty years ago! Too late, my friend!
rickelmonnogin2 1 year ago
@rickelmonnogin2 From your own previous post a direct quote:So what are you suggesting, etc etc, kill..blah blah.Those ideas did not originate from me, you are the one who put them in your post, own up. As for the number of blacks and hispanics, changes in immigration and elimination of programs they thrive one (affirmative action, quotas, welfare, etc.) would slowly bring their numbers down. If Big Brother would let people alone, you would find a lot more VOLUNTARY segregation.
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyul Not sure what your point is. As I've said, people just have to read down the thread to see what I've said, they don't have to pay attention to your attempted smears.
You appear to be unaware that white people get welfare too. If you get rid of it, you will be condemning several of your own kind as well.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin Again, you paint me with a broad brush, I know that every race has good and bad, that should go without saying. I guess that the finer points in evaluating the success of a race in a modern society has slipped past you. I say "finer" in jest, the poor conduct of a large percentage of Blacks would be glaringly obvious to all but LIBS IN DENIAL. The average Ameritard is even starting to wake up to what a mess MULTI-CULTI societies have become.
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyul What is glaringly obvious is the poor behaviour of a large majority of human beings of all races. You are in denial if you cannot accept that. I'm not interested in evaluating whole races of people. I take people as they come and judge them as individuals. That is the only reasonable way to do it.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin Hah, you must live around nice people. I live around plenty of blacks and it is not too pretty. Some races are just better suited for a modern society, some are poorly suited for modernity. The greatest inventions of the 200 years have come from whites. Blacks have basically wrecked the cities they have been in charge of. I guess I have to go back to you inability to parse facts and statistics, a huge shortcoming when you want to evaluate anything.
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyul: It's pretty pathetic that you have to find a scapegoat to blame for the fact that you're in a crappy place.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin Again, you come across as the fluffy headed, multi culti type. I am among a new type of Ameritard, there are more and more every day, we honestly evaluate what is happening in society. Facts mean things to me, they are brutally honest in showing who is the dregs of society. I do not scapegoat, I look at facts, statistics and also personal experience. Black women have the highest out of wedlock birth rate in the USA......BRAVO!
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyul Facts are one thing. What facts mean is another. If black women have the highest out of wedlock birth rate in the U.S. So what?
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin Well, you really are showing your insanity now. Uh, you do not see the horrible level of generational dependence on welfare that high out of wedlock births would cause? The true lack of insight into what obviously should be considered a huge problem amazes me, you truly must be either brainwashed or joking.
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyul No, you are showing your insanity.You've talked alot about your faith in statistics, so lets see some rather than just your unsupported opinion. What are the respective rates of out-of-wedlock births amongst whites and blacks?
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin What am I, a library? You can easily Google the terms "blacks""out of wedlock births""2010", and come up with many reputable sites. As if you have to confirm something that even you know is true. Let me ask you a direct question, DO YOU THINK BLACKS CAN MAINTAIN/ADVANCE THIS SOCIETY AS WELL AS WHITES HAVE? Please, no beating around the bush, answer the question.
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyu:If you knew what the figures were you wouldn't have to look them up would you? I suspected that you didn't actually know what the figures are and you have just confirmed it . You were lying when you claimed that your opinions were based on statistics. You have shown that they are clearly based on ill informed prejudice.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin Here's the problem. Here we have from the Census Bureau the record of nonmarital births for whites, and for Hispanics, which we haven't been collecting data that long, and for blacks, and we now have reached the point where one out of every three American children is born outside marriage. Almost 70 percent of black children are born outside marriage and about 45 percent of Hispanic children.
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyul So just to confirm, you'd like all the black people who aren't having kids out of wedlock kicked out of the country, but you want all those white people who are having kids out of wedlock to be allowed to stay.
Can you explain how your opinion makes one iota of sense?
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin In a previous post I made my feelings clear about "BABY MOMMA BENNIES". Here it is again, IF YOU HAVE A KID RAISE IT ON YOUR OWN DIME, IF YOU CANNOT...YOU LOSE CUSTODY......no matter what race. The whole system of women pumping out babies BECAUSE they know they can go on the dole is sick, it is one of the things that is wrecking this country.
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyul Ok, so you concede that race isn't the issue.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin No,nothing of the sort. I just wanted to acknowledge that there are troubled creeps from every race. But, the real issue is which race has a curve on the graph that trends so far towards MAJOR SOCIETAL PROBLEM that they are a drag on the whole country. Destroyed cities that have been controlled by these Urban Americans since the 60's, is that whiteys fault Mr PC?
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyul Is it the fault of white people that some white people have children out of wedlock?
Assuming that this is a problem (which I don't accept btw), well, yes, it is the fault of white people that white people have children out of wedlock. Who's else would it be?
I prefer the idea that people take responsibility for their own actions, however.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin Blame is not really that important for me, living a peaceful life is. I look at the facts and adjust my life accordingly, helps me keep safe. Seeing a group Japanese teen males walking down the street does not send up red flags for me, black teens...well, you can guess what I am going to say. Urban Americans ( in general) seem to blame everyone else for their shortcomings.
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyul "Urban Americans ( in general) seem to blame everyone else for their shortcomings. "
Yes, that's exactly what you are doing.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin Uh, where do you see me blaming others for my shortcomings, I do not. Try to think and it will help you make logical posts. Tell me, why do you have such an unrealistic view of this country and our troubled Urban American population, you must live in a gated community. Easy to be a lib when you do not live among savages, just like Brabra Striesham.
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyul : Actually, you blame Black people for your shortcomings in virtually every one of your posts. It's a pity you haven't got the self awareness to realise this.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin Now you are making sense...the PCnazi way. If you cannot pick apart my argument, just spew a bunch of babble, that will get you far. Do you think violent crime is a detestable thing? Do you know that there are thousands of noviolent white prisoners that are raped and tortured by blacks every year, some are sold into sexual slavery. Over 90% of prison rape is black on white, that is truly sick. Blacks commit 55% of the violent crime in the USA black males are 6% of the population.
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyul Gosh, I'm a 'Nazi' now, am I? Why not call me a paedophile whilst you're at it? That's a real coherent argument you've got going there!
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin You NEVER repond to the factual points I make, you just blubber about some slight that is soooo horrific in your mind, which in actuality is said in jest and quite mild. Did you ever see the Soupnazi episode of Seinfeld? My PCnazi comment should have come across to you as a slight jab at your ideology, you took it as a horrible slight. Now, what do you think about the fact that 6% (black males) of the population commits over 50% of the violent crime??????????
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyul You are aware that Seinfield was a fictional comedy, right?
I seem to recall Anne Coulter made a similarly ridiculous mistake.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin Uh, you are making my point for me, a light reference to you being a "pcnazi" is a lot different from me accusing you of being a "true incarnation of a nazi soldier". You keep deflecting the points I make with ridiculous whiny type complaints. Why don't you respond to one of the horrific stats that I have continually posted on this little thread we have going. Do you have a problem with facts, is your ideology put above all......no matter what?
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyul by the way, if you can't see why some people might think being called a Nazi, offensive, you're obviously a moron.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin: I really wish you conservatives would stop whining about everything: how liberals are all against you, and black people are all out to get you, and using statistics which don't make any sense to somehow 'prove' your argument.
And btw, it is offensive to call people 'Nazis', so please stop it.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin Unfortunately for you most conservatives are right, liberals are irresponsible and incompetant, their policies do not work and every liberal utopian vision and idea throughout history has been a complete failure.
Does Marxism and Communism ring any bells?
TheAgnosticAspie 1 year ago
@TheAgnosticAspie actually, if it wasn't for liberalism we'd still be ruled by absolutists monarchs who answer to no-one. Be thankful for liberals that their endeavors to establish freedom allow you the right to speak as much drivel as you please.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
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cleverfeller 1 year ago
@cleverfeller
Actually the concept of absolute monarchy is fundamentally illiberal, so being opposed to it is a liberal position. Equal rights for all and freedom from oppression are all liberal ideals, so all those who fight for them can reasonably called 'liberals'.
Wanting to kick all black people out of the USA is not a liberal position.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@cleverfeller
The liberals who stood up to Charles I, or to Louis XVI, or fought for the American revolution were many things, but cowards wasn't one of them.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
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cleverfeller 1 year ago
@cleverfeller yes, that's usually the reaction silly little boys like you have to hearing the truth.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
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cleverfeller 1 year ago
@cleverfeller Yes, moron, the idea that kings do not have a divine right to rule is a liberal idea. In any case, Cromwell didn't end the monarchy in the UK (It still exists), and Cromwell in the end was only interested in replacing one dictator with another-himself. Cromwell did not act on his own, however. He was able to exploit the fact that there was a mood in the country which felt that Charles I was overextending himself and denying them their freedoms.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
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cleverfeller 1 year ago
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cleverfeller 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin
If virtue be the spring of a popular government in times of peace, the spring of that government during a revolution is virtue combined with terror:
Now there's a quote from one of your Liberals. What is 'lberal' about terror?
cleverfeller 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin Amen, brother. One man is in no position to judge an entire race. He is delusional and narcissistic if he believes he can.
az111709 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin
Tolerating differences?
thats unnatural and no wonder the problem exists when people think like that.
theshow2k8 1 year ago
@theshow2k8
Unnatural to tolerate differences? Well, everyone is different, so what you're saying is that you shouldn't tolerate anyone. Nice world you want to live in.
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
@rickelmonoggin
You are you trying to impress?
Yes we are different and when someone who is different opposes you and is racist towards you then no you can't tolerate them because they are a threat.
You want to live in a world where we all live together yet denying we are different and denying the crime and problems we face due to our differences....you are the problem with society.
theshow2k8 1 year ago
@theshow2k8 What are you babbling about?
rickelmonoggin 1 year ago
does this imply xenofobia?
eliezeriero 1 year ago
Yes it does . . Xenophobia is a very silly way of putting it but the culture change has happened far too quickly in UK .. and the reality is that the majority of people were not warned about radical fundamentalist Muslims terrorising the UK.
How can people just be expected to accept certain cultures who simply do not fit in with the British way of life ?
HellzDelight 1 year ago
tolerance is the key for peace.
eliezeriero 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Douglas Murray is nothing more than a jumped up homosexual sounding private schoolboy, who is out to make a mess of Britain ( while lining his own pocket ) he is talking a load of jargon that only his kind of people understand.
But he should never under estimate the power of the common people .. he is the man who is out to destroy everything that is British. He is the man who is scared of the BNP and he has just handed a dossier over to the police trying to brand innocent people as racists.
HellzDelight 1 year ago