Inhumane Feed Lot Beef vs Humane Grass Fed Beef

[ScopedPewPew]

Also, I'm not sure about other places but I live in one of the largest farm areas in the WORLD. And I live near a slaughterhouse, and most cattle here comes from farms.. Not feed lofts. If you buy canadian beef, I can assure its more often than not free gazing farm animals.

[ScopedPewPew]

I don't agree with adding horomes to meat because our hormone system (Females more than males) is VERY delicate. For example in females, estrogen, FSH, LH and a few others are all in balance with one another (Due to their more complex reproductive system compared to a males) When females ingest estrogen from outside sources it can have negative effects over a prolonged period of time.

If you only eat meat occassionally though, I doubt it has many seriously harmful effects.

[Ed3891]

excellent Dr..keep nature as it meant to be..it is not double the time but the correct natural time..man did not invent beef so who gives him permission to meddle with nature and use inhumane practices..keep it up!

[dokirb]

Firstly, they are not Angus cattle. Secondly I honestly have no idea how they do things in America but down here in Australia the feedlot industry is so heavily regulated that everything is done by the book. No artificial hormones added. And with the high demand for beef it is entirely impracticle to raise 100% non intensley raised store cattle. Where would they all be paddocked?

[ploothable]

The only stereotype that I've found out was true is that one of American food. The rest, not so much.

[Haleym113]

where they do not belong naturally. There are so many healthy substitutions for protein today. Lets face it, weather ur in the business of factory farming or not, its pretty inhumane to keep animals in confined spaces. Hormones are not natural for humans to eat because it disrupts our fragile hormonal system, especially in women. Factory farming and the people involved can all go to hell. Why is cancer becoming an epidemic in America? the food we eat. and the environment we live in.

[Haleym113]

May i add that us human beings are not designed to even eat meat. If we were deisnged to eat meat then our stomcahs would allow us to eat raw meat. Take a dof for instance. They can eat raw meat without getting sick, we cannot eat raw meat because it is very dangerous and our stomchacs dont have the right acids to break down meat. So why is beef and chicken so important and in demand? There are SOOOOO many solutions to this problem. Dont raise the farm animals in tight confined spaces

[MrHotshot613]

@Haleym113 Our stomachs are designed to eat cooked meat. since we use to smoke our meats over a fire to keep it fresh and sometimes it came out just cooked.

[Haleym113]

@MrHotshot613 lmao at your ignorance. Our bodies are not even remotely closely related to the body of an omnivore. our intestines are considerably longer, our molars are flat, and yeah maybe we have the acids in out stomach that help digest meat, but we dont have enough of it. meat binds the waste systems of our bodies, therefore leaving the toxins in out bodies for a longer period of time. vegetarians and especially vegans have an extremely less likelihood for developing diseases such as

[Haleym113]

@Haleym113 cancer, heart disease, heart failure, diabetes, kidney disease, and the list goes on for miles. a dog is an omnivore. have you seen a dogs teeth? all of them are sharp, even the molars. in america, people eat more meat than any other society. america is also the fattest country in the world. have you ever seen a fat vegan? doubtful. our alkaline saliva is not designed to break down animal flesh. omnivores and carnivores have acidic saliva. we dont. carnivores and omnivores

[Haleym113]

@Haleym113 host 10 times more hydrochloric acid in their stomachs than we do. which is essential for digesting animals flesh. we have enough hydrochloric acid to digest plant proteins. our kidney's, colon, and liver are all ill-equipped to process animal flesh. genetically and structurally we are designed to thrive on plant based diets. ever heard of a vegan having a cholesterol problem? doubtful, its because cholesterol does not exist in plant foods. every omnivore and carnivore alive

[Haleym113]

@Haleym113 today hunts their food. they have piercing claws and teeth, incredibly strong jaws( yes, much stronger than ours) they catch it kill it. imagine yourself doing that with your bare hands? good luck bc its fucking impossible. yes, the human brain allows us to stay removed from hunting, but does this mean we are "evolved" and "intelligent"? Mans "intelligence" also created alcohol, cigarettes, and illicit drugs. if you say we are omnivores, then why are we the only omnivores

[Haleym113]

@Haleym113 on this fucking planet that dont hunt our food, and doesn't have incredibly sharp teeth, and high speeds, and the muscle to bring down an animal, kill it, and eat it's blood and flesh completely raw without getting sick. omnivores dont eat cooked meat. do you think eating cheeseburgers and steaks and chicken all day is going to make you thin? no. you're a glutinous pig if you think that. why the fuck does eating the decomposing flesh of cows pigs and chickens sound appetizing to 

[Haleym113]

@Haleym113 you? because the meat and dairy industries have it so slammed into your ignorant dumb brain that you need it or you will die from a protein and calcium deficiency. first off, have you ever heard of a fucking protein deficiency in someone younger than 60? doubtful. we are the only fucking species on this planet that drinks milk from another species as adults. read a fucking book, research, and learn something before you open your pathetic flesh eating mouth.

[MrHotshot613]

@Haleym113 Actually I used to think that animal protein is important to a human being. but than I read about the Gersen institute who are saying that animal protein harms the pancreas and it causes diabetes thus I'm a little confused right now, because I only feel batter after eating meat...

[Haleym113]

@MrHotshot613 ive been a vegan for 5 years, ive never had leaner muscles, never slept better, never had better comments from my doctor, never been able to have long stressful days like i do now, because i have so much energy. dont eat meat or dairy or eggs for a months, come back and tell me how you feel. i guarantee you that you will feel better and have more energy.

[MrHotshot613]

@Haleym113 i dont know about you but I've seen people without eating meat and they have VERY low energy. besides aren't primates eating at least a little meat.

[Haleym113]

@MrHotshot613 yeah probably because they dont know how to correctly eat a plant based diet, all the have to do is read a little and its a piece of cake from then on to be a vegan. and yes, chimps infact do occasionally eat meat, but they have long canine teeth, and shorter intestines. they also have the muscle and speed to catch an animal naturally without the help of tools and guns. we would not be able to accomplish that without a gun, knife, bow and arrow, or some othr sort of hunting tool

[MrHotshot613]

@Haleym113 but people ate meat since the dawn of time

BTW what does shorter intestines have to do with it?

[Haleym113]

@MrHotshot613 shorter intestines means a less amount of time meat is in the system decomposing and creating harmful bacteria. a carnivore eats somethings and within hours its coming out the other end. for us it takes at least 24 hours, allowing plenty of time for harmful bacteria to be growing in our intestines.

[ScopedPewPew]

@Haleym113 You fucking retarded? Our bodies are designed for eating meat. The reason we don't eat raw meat (Even though we can) is because of the risk of infection, such as e. coli and other mischeivous ailments. Get a clue before you comment. Pepsin, hydrochloric acid, and a few others are used in our digestive system to break down proteins.

[Haleym113]

@ScopedPewPew read my replies on @MrHotshot613 comment. How about you get a fucking clue, before say barely true statements. If i gave a dog (omnivore) (which, for some reason, you think humans are) a raw steak, they are 10 times less likely to develop infections such as e. coli, salmonella, and the other endless amounts of infections humans commonly get from eating raw meat. Why are they 10 times less likely? because they have 10 times the amount of hydrochloric acid than we do. there is a

[ScopedPewPew]

@Haleym113 10 times the amount of hydrochloric acid? Really? Their stomach is not even half the size of ours... How do you propose that? LOL! At that concentration, I'm fairly sure the stomach lining would be burned through. And, to deny that humans are omnivores is downright DUMB! What do you propose our sharp, pointy canine teeth are for? Definitely NOT for grinding plant matter. Typical ignorant treehugging vegan.

[Haleym113]

@ScopedPewPew haha if you call our sharp teeth in our mouths canines, then you are just plain stupid. have you seen the canines of dogs, tigers, and chimps? they are not even close to the size of ours. ours are puny little sad excuses for canines. their stomach lining obviously is not the same as ours. they can withhold that kind of acid because their stomachs are much stronger than ours.

[ScopedPewPew]

@Haleym113 Regardless of their size, they are still canines. Please, tell me... What do you propose sharp, pointy teeth for for? I'll give you a hint... It's NOT for tearing plants. I'll give you another hint, if you look at the food guide you should still be eating plenty of vegetables and fruits, and a LITTLE bit of meat. 2-3 servings a day (Which is not much relative to how much plant matter we need) We are omnivores. Do not argue further.

[Haleym113]

@ScopedPewPew actually the updated food guide does not specify on meat. it just says protein, meaning whatever way you get it is fine, you just need enough of it to survive. americans on average get too much protein resulting in obesity, heart disease, and diabetes. im sorry but our "canines" are not designed to rip open flesh of an animal. its just plain and simple.

[ScopedPewPew]

@Haleym113 HERE IS THE KEY PHRASE: "americans on average get too much protein resulting in obesity, heart disease, and diabetes." THEY EAT TOO MUCH. Meat, in limited quanitties, IS PERFECTLY HEALTHY so stop your vegan propoganda bullcrap and scram. And really, our canines aren't designed to tear flesh? Mine tear flesh pretty effectively. And you know what? I just finished tearing apart a tasty NY strip steak.

[Haleym113]

@ScopedPewPew 2-3 servings is not a limited quantity. ohhh great im so happy that you had a nice dinner. not. have fun dying of heart disease at 70, while ill be perfectly healthy still, traveling the world. go read a fucking book and educate yourself on what that shit does to your body in the long run, the environment, and the animal itsself. peace out, you selfish pig.

[ScopedPewPew]

@Haleym113 Ha, the fact is that I eat a well balanced diet, so i will live a long, prosperous life. My grandfather ate whatever was on his plate, ate meat, ate fast food, whatever he wanted really. He lived to be 91. He was living on his own until he was 89. he would have lived longer too, had someone in his home not spread pneaumonia to him as well as 3 others. Explain that. Typical vegan. You think small amounts of meat are going to kill you. Haha that is good humour.

[Haleym113]

@ScopedPewPew oh hey BTW, if im the one takin into consideration the environment, and the animal's well being, pretty sure im not the ignorant one here. typical ignorant meat eater..

[ScopedPewPew]

@Haleym113 I'm waiting to see what kind of vegan nonsense you can conjure out of thin air to try and discredit my valid argument.

[MrHotshot613]

@Haleym113 the experts say carbs is bad here you're saying meat is bad. what are we gonna eat, vegetables? after all I'm not a goat.

[Haleym113]

@ScopedPewPew btw, nice come backs for every other reason i gave for humans NOT being omnivores. it's because you have no comebacks.

[Haleym113]

@Haleym113 HUGE difference between plant and animal proteins. plant proteins are easier for out bodies to digest and thats because out intestines are longer. omnivore's and carnivores have way shorter intestines than we because their bodies are DESIGNED FOR IT! our intestines are long, so food that does not adequately processed becomes clogged in the process, hence the need for colonics. 

[melvintrousers]

Take someone with a thyroid problem as an example. They have to take synthetic hormones in the form of a DOSED PRESCRIBED MEDICATION to offset their lack of production. This often takes frequent medication adjustments just to get the fine tuning correct. So exactly how much estrogen am I getting in my beef?? It's scary that we don;t know. Anyone care to make the connection between increased estrogen and breast cancer???

[melvintrousers]

Medically speaking the comment on hormones having no effect on the human body is false. The body regulates its own hormone balance, a very delicate process. When you introduce outside sources of these hormones you are offsetting that balance and creating a stress.

[TLcavvy]

And since I know its coming, "hormones bla bla bla"

The hormones used in cattle are estrogen, and testosterone. Both found naturally in humans and animals, and both uesd in the cattle industry since the 1940's has never killed or harmed a single person. Alex Avery, Hudson Institute of california says "1lb of organic beef produces 40% more greenhouse gases than conventional fed beef" thanks to growth technology in beef production. Its great you peple want to send us back to 1920's.

[billstpor]

Lol.. yeah, misspelled insults (dueche?) make for a great comeback to a well-written, insult-free comment. Since I guess you feel more comfortable with that kind of language, I'll just say that you are a misinformed, heavily biased shitkicker, and I'll be done with it..

[TLcavvy]

@billstpor Yes, a typical response from someone who thinks they know better. Don't you think its aggrivating for someone like me to jump on here and see my way of life and my livlihood trash talked and denounced just because you people believe everything you hear?

Its laughable that you call me misinformed. I live this life, and I am there every day. I say again, search "protecting the environment" , watch that vid, then get back to me.

[TLcavvy]

Why don't all you people search "protecting the environment" and watch the video by Loostales on this very website for some information that just might surprise you.

[KillerCracker69]

The costs on the environment, ecosystem, and the public's health are NOT factored into the 99-cent cheeseburger you had for lunch. "Cheap" food is actually incredibly expensive once all the real costs are totaled. Agri-business can keep their retail prices deceptively low because of government subsidies (ie. our tax dollars). The small, family farms HAVE TO charge more at retail so they do not go out of business. Do your research before sneering. The real problem is government. Period.

[TLcavvy]

@KillerCracker69 Though I will agree with you that the government is a problem, beef cattle are not subsidized or paid for in any way shape or form by your tax dollars.

[KillerCracker69]

@TLcavvy Maybe not directly, but the handful of corporations who run the CAFO's (concentrated animal feeding operations) get government subsidies via lobbying for the feed, cleanup, maintenance and transportation costs; all of which are in some way harmful to your health or the ecosystem.

[TLcavvy]

@KillerCracker69 Wow... you really are a sheep arent you. In case you haven't noticed, I am a cattleman and this entire post reeks of babbled internet non-sense. A handful of corporations? Who? I want their names. Also, cattle in a "CAFO" as you slickers call it are perfectly healthy for cattle if done correctly. My family has been in cattle since the 1930's and every generation before me and every generation after me will leave the land in better shape than we found it.

[KillerCracker69]

@TLcavvy "If done correctly." Ok, how many operators of these animal concentration camps are doing it "correctly?" If you want names, just go to the supermarket and look at the packages. It's not a fucking "conspiracy." You should not snarl at people because you are not informed. I live in a rural area, and interact with cattle ranchers and farmers regularly. One university study (which does not appear to be published) does not discredit decades of studies and information which show otherwise.

[TLcavvy]

@KillerCracker69 You do realize the "big name" brands of beef you see at your supermarket have no involvement in the growing process right? That leaves the producer. Its a common fact that MOST of your food comes from some sort of family farm; and saying that us family farmers that have been doing this for generations abuse, mistreat, and destroy the land and the animals is obsurd. If you interact with ranchers you know that the animals livlihood and land quality is why we do what we do.

[TLcavvy]

@KillerCracker69 Also, a handful of corporations who run CAFO's? I can think of 50 "FEEDLOTS" in a 20 mile radius of my farm. What do you classify as a handful? Once again, its not tyson, or john morrel, so who is getting all this subsidized money? I'm a feedlot or "CAFO" operator, and i recieve no such money? And also, my cattle are happy and healthy!

[KillerCracker69]

@TLcavvy Look, I'm not trying to cause a stir. I respect your point of view and appreciate what you do, really. I simply meant the corporations who slaughter the animals and PROCESS the meats and turn them into products. These same corporations who supply an overwhelming majority of meat products to Americans (Craft, Tyson, John Morrel, etc.). They get government money in one form or another, whether it's direct subsidization or through legislation that benefits their practices of production.

[TLcavvy]

@KillerCracker69 Now you appreciate what I do? Before I was the bad guy... You said "a handful of CAFO operators..." A slaughter house or packing plant is NOT a CAFO or feedlot. I cannot speak for how they handle animals, but on my farm they are treated with respect and a happy cow is a productive cow. This is the case in 98% of ALL animal operations despite what oprah and PETA wants you to believe.

[TLcavvy]

@KillerCracker69 Ok lets say craft tyson and john morrel get subsidies from the government. So? So does ethanol production! Its ok to subsidize corn production that contributes to erosion and pollution then?? BTW- thats all corn you dont eat, not edible or food grade- just for ethanol. Basically you have no argument. I appreciate the chance to speak my point. I think you should go "interact" with your local farmers and ranchers a bit more till you get a bigger perspective.

[KillerCracker69]

@TLcavvy I think you have me mixed up with someone. When did I say it was okay to subsidize corn? Look it's all about profit, always has been and always will be. As long the monetary system is in place, this will never change. And not all feedlot operations treat their animals right, you know that. At the end of the day, it's about personal choice. The fact remains that animals are biologically engineered to graze on large pastures. They're not meant to be confined in a feedlot.

[TLcavvy]

@KillerCracker69 No, not all feedlot operators do. But 98% of them do. To cattlemen, its common sense. Something that is lost on most people now days. HAPPY COWS ARE PRODUCTIVE COWS. Think about that statement. Every cattleman in the USA tries every year to make his cattle THE MOST PRODUCTIVE as possible. To do that, they must be properly cared for and satisfied. I wish i could say that ALL cattlemen did, but the few bad apples there are ruin the reputation for the rest of us.

[TLcavvy]

@KillerCracker69 I'm sorry to break it to you, but cattle are no longer engineered for just grass. Since the 1930's cattle have been selectivly bred and evolved to eat much more than just "grass" (corn IS a grass btw) Did you know that right now we have the same exact number of cows than in 1968? And with the same number of cows we make DOUBLE the amount of consumable protein. Through the use of grains and hormones we use 67% LESS land to make the same amount of beef.

[Haleym113]

@KillerCracker69 the real problem is not enough government. do you realize the amount of waste that is produced in factory farms? (where your 99 cent cheeseburgers come from) cows and pigs produce 4 times the amount of waste we do and their population on this earth greatly increases ours. that waste is dumped into lagoons (factory farm term) and it just sits there and sinks into our soil and water. the government does not do enough to protect us from that sort of shit.

[misscatty010]

is grass fed beef wasn't so expensive more people would probably buy them. not saying that i'm against grass fed, i just think they should lower the price so the world can stop obesity.

[TLcavvy]

@misscatty010 This is a perfect example of why grass fed wont work to supply enough beef for demand. The costs are too high- it is not efficient. Im not against grass fed beef, do what you want. But it is NOT a solution.

[billstpor]

@TLcavvy Impractical and inefficient? You are talking about your *health*. And by the way.. it's the way it's been done in Europe for more than 30 years now, and I don't think farmers have gone bust because of this. Of course, we *do* pay a little more for our food, but then again I'd rather have better, safer, higher quality food than a couple extra gadgets or a fancier car.

[TLcavvy]

@billstpor I cant believe I have to explain this to every dueche bag suburbanite on youtube. Grass fed beef is ok, but in NO WAY possible can grass raise enough pounds of beef for feed and export.. Sure the option is fine, but its not the answer. Also, grass fed beef is not healthier. Sorry to break it to you. google "texas college study on grass fed vs grain". Pasture only fed beef is higher in saturated trans-fat. Or go ahead and email the professor. sbsmith@tamu.edu

Research. Try it.

[KillerCracker69]

@TLcavvy You are wrong. Grass-fed beef has high levels of CLA (TRANS-FAT which fights cancer), higher levels of omega-3 fats (rivaling that of fish), and lower levels of saturated fat (which does NOT clog arteries, btw). The shit you get in a grocery store is contaminated with pesticides and toxins (from the feed, which is likely to be GMO and contaminated with all kinds of shit you probably do not want to know about), and artificial hormones. Not to mention ethical and environmental concerns.

[TLcavvy]

@KillerCracker69 Do you want me to bring up the fact that grass fed beef leaves a bigger carbon footprint? yes, thats right, because it takes MORE resources to make grass fed beef. Cows on a strict grass diet have increased fermentation in the rumen causing more methane gas - FACT: cows digest grains easier than grass. The numbers are close, but being as grain fed cattle gain weight quicker AND easier, they spend less time digesting, more time growing, and less time polluting.

[KillerCracker69]

@misscatty010 It is not that simple, unfortunately.

[deadmanzen]

Under investigation;

Beef obesity

Cow milk obesity

Chicken obesity

Pig obestiy

What deit? People are eating obesity inducing chemicals, I suspect that Monsanto is funding this.

Operations 61 a global task.

The world people vs. World media

[TheDeviantGamer]

was that guy trying to kill that cow at 2:41 or just poking it in the head for fun?

[steer1300]

@TheDeviantGamer He was trying to get it to move. Cattle have tough thick skin so what might hurt us doesn't do much to them.

[ochsrocks22]

are you retarded. I simply ask because you have no idea what youre actually talking about.

[SinnFein4ever]

In addition to pumping them up with antibiotics, steriods, growth hormones (such as the cancer-causing Recombinate Bovine Growth Hormone), and feeding them corn (which gives them stomach-ulcers) instead of grass, making them live their entire lives in tiny pens in filthy conditions, mega-farms also often feed the remains of the dead cattle to the live ones.

This is how Mad Cow Disease was caused.

It was discovered in England because they have a thorough meat-packing tracing system there.

[BulletB270]

@SinnFein4ever are you retarded. I simply ask because you have no idea what youre actually talking about.

[steer1300]

@SinnFein4ever We figured out that feeding animal bi products to living cattle can cause diseases which is why it is not done any more in the United States anywhere. Also we feed hay and other forages along with the corn to help balance the diet. Ulcers are very uncommon in cattle because of this.

[SinnFein4ever]

@steer1300

I only buy beef that's been reared on an all-natural diet.

And corn is not part of cattle's natural diet.

I buy all of my meat at the local framers' market, and I buy it directly from the farmers, themselves.

I know each of the farmers there by name, and can visit their farms anytime that I like, because they're all local.

They don't use antibiotics, steriods, growth-hormones, RCBGH, or anything like that.

[steer1300]

@SinnFein4ever Just because it was raised locally doesn't mean that it was raised on an all forage diet. I'm pretty sure unless they're all completely organic that they at least use some antibiotics during calving. Otherwise your deathloss would be too great to make any money.

[SinnFein4ever]

@steer1300

You'll excuse me if I don't place too much stock in the agricultural opinions of a nineteen-year-old, who doesn't even know how to spell "by-products".

If you want to eat the "food" that is produced by big agri-buisinesses, that's your choice.

As for me, I'll stick with getting my food from small, locally-owned, organic farms, whose owners I know personally, and see every week.

[TLcavvy]

@SinnFein4ever You people trying to link bad beef and big farms together is laughable from someone who actually knows what their talking about. It doesnt matter if the farm has 10,000 cows or 10. MOST operations operate in humane ways, and MOST of your food comes from a family farm. Our family farm operates on nearly 8000 acres. I know family farms that operate 30-50,000 acres and feed tens of thousands of head of cattle. Also remains are NOT fed to cattle in the USA.

[biohax]

@TLcavvy well, to be fair, ruminant remains used to be fed to cows until congress passed a law.

in other industries like poultry, yes, small farmers are the ones growing up but they're on contract with large corporations. tyson and the like force farmers to continuously take on new debt to operate the way the company wants them too, which is to maximize profits.

[Blondecowgrl09]

California cows are not happy cows! those commercials lie.>!

[steer1300]

Part of our job is to provide animal comfort. beef that cannot be walked off the trailer is by law not allowed into human food supply. What this processing plant did was illegal and they payed a price. It only takes a few bad eggs to change the opinions of many. you never get to hear the good side no one seems to be interested in what is done right.

[no3rdseat]

Steer1300- I am actually interested in the good things that meat suppliers do. You're right we don't hear enough of it. My thought though is, for millions of years our ancestors probably didn't have the strength or weapons to bring down an animal the size of a cow or buffalo. I don't think we need to eat huge animals every day, it's not natural. Having said that, thank you for your work. I know most farmers care about the work they do.

[steer1300]

@no3rdseat

Thank you for your comment. I don,t think you need to eat beef everyday but diversify between beef, pork, chicken, fish, maybe some fish and goat.

[steer1300]

meat is tinder due to marbling. small amounts of fat in the meat. it is not enough fat to effect the nutrition of the meat. Also as a small feedlot owner and operator we strive to produce safe affordable food to feed you and yet we get critisized more than almost anyother occupation. If we went to all grass fed beef, the world supply of beef would be cut to less than half making impossible for the middle class to afford it. Think before you comment

[ochsrocks22]

@RapedByRepublicans are you retarded. I simply ask because you have no idea what youre actually talking about.

[steer1300]

@RapedByRepublicans There are so many things wrong with your comment. Fast food places serve ground beef. Feedlot cattle produce a better more tender cut of meat so its not worth grinding up into hamburger meat. Older cattle and cattle with tough meat are ground up because they are of lower value.

[petrus4]

@RapedByRepublicans both of my grandparents died in agony of cancer, and they ate beef once (and often twice) a day for around 60 years; so I will admit to largely having eliminated beef from my diet. If it wasn't for the cancer fear, though, because I do very much enjoy the taste and other nutrients it gives me, I would be interested in maybe having a little of the grass fed sometime. Not every day, mind, but maybe once every two months or so.

[TheStarWarriorHorse]

@RapedByRepublicans This is one of the many reasons why many Americans lament on how "overweight" they are. Grass Fed beef is heathier and tastier too! Now you tell me what's more expensive: paying a few dollars more for better food or spending a fortune on Nutrisystem?

[RapedByRepublicans]

@TheStarWarriorHorse you are right, i was a different person then. totally different. my apologies. (no bullshit).

[TheStarWarriorHorse]

@RapedByRepublicans Why are you sorry? I agree with you about the great impact grass-fed beef has on the health of the animals and on humans. Factory farms are disgusting and cruel. I don't know how people can eat such rotten meat without getting a heart attack right on the spot! It's okay to eat meat, but I expect more out of my country than for people to lazily make a "crappy patty" made from beef cattle that were tortured and beaten to death. That's why I have great respect for good farmers.

[RapedByRepublicans]

@TheStarWarriorHorse cos anything i said 9 months ago is suspect, i was a piece of shit back then, no denying it... i was asleep when i wrote that, so if i was somehow right... it'd suprise the fuck out of me.

[bfgood34]

They also didnt point out that grass fed beef is not fesizable. If you figure it takes about 20 acres per calf year round to finish them and the latest cattle of feed reports that there are 1.2 million head on feed in kansas alone. That would require 24 million acres of decent grass land. To put this into perspective it would take about thirteen percent of texas to host all of kansas cattle on feed. Also texas grass land is very so you would have to increase the acre per animal

[bfgood34]

This story sounds just like the TIme Magazine. News media needs to take a ethics class. They never showed anything about the real cattle industry, just the clips from the western-hallmark incident. Just becasue that happened once at one place doesnt mean that it happens everywhere. I have been in over a dozen beef plants and never seen anything like the dairy cow plant in california.

[torofighter]

Grass fed may cost more $, but I'd buy it any day over the corn fed shit.

[halr99]

you're a moron and part of the problem. Grass fed tastes like shit and is unpractical. Hormones given to cattle is not carried in the beef. How do you know she's a doctor anyway? Use you brain moron.

[RapedByRepublicans]

you are the fucking moron... tastes like shit? maybe to your high fructose corn syrup, mcdonalds ass.... have you ever eaten a piece of organically grown fruit or a vegatable? i guess when all you eat is grease flavored sugar, anything that isn't fucking like that probably tastes like shit!

btw, how is raising cattle in a timely manner *(the right way, by the way) impractical? maybe impractical to mcdonalds. but if we all ate beef, but just less at a time, it'd be all good.

[TLcavvy]

@RapedByRepublicans Impractical is a good word to use here. grass fed beef is fine, but is not the ultimate solution. Lets make it simple.. we will always have a demand for beef. This demand requires all of us ranchers to raise as much meat as possible. If we took all of the cows in the USA and required them to eat grass we would have to reduce the herd by ungodly amounts. Doing this would = little to no meat to export, less meat in general, higher price of beef, and use 10x the land

[TheDudeRulez09]

halr99 your a moron, anything eaten is automatically infused into your cells, anything injected is fused into your cells, therefore hormones are in the beef.

[DonDarkrai]

Humans aren't better off as vegetarians, we were born as omnivores and we will die as omnivores. period.

[TheDudeRulez09]

we were born as vegetarians, we learn to be omnivores by our parents.

[MrFarmerD]

Corn feed for Life!!!!!

[TheDudeRulez09]

Corn feed for genetically altered beef and the slow death of your digestive system.

[rkrc]

the human world would be better off as Vegetarians.

[bfgood34]

Funny how you can always pick out what veggies you have eaten in you poop but not what meat you have eatten. Those veggies run right through you with no help to your body at all

[nhatnam2513]

When you think that veggies don't help you, close your eyes, and think of the last time you saw an elephant ate a cow for proteins.

[MrHazzid]

your therory might be true in some cases but if everyone grass fattens there wouldn't be enough meat in the world hence the price of meat going to unbeleivable prices making the world food shortage a bigger problem. can't you see outside your own life. besides feedlots can produce cattle with a consistant fat and uniformed marbling in the meat, giving a premim quality. U have compared 1 dairy cow that has produced milk for years to your young steers that is very bias

[alkapone187]

Always buy your meat from grass fed cows !!!!

Boycott the fast food industry and commercial garbage !!!

[halr99]

You do that you idiot and see how far you get.

[alkapone187]

bitch, get the fuck off my coat tales like i care what your moronic mental state thinks about where my comment reference will take me. Worry about paying your bills rather then staying glued on my nutts jack.

[halr99]

You're funny... moron

[alkapone187]

The only moron here is you spilling negative comments about me trying to make yourself a big dude behind the keyboard. Stop while your ahead cuz your not proving shit to me just a worthless bored out his ass pre-teen fuck.

[halr99]

Okay Al Capone? a.) I'm 28. b.) I'm not a big dude, I only weigh 150. c.)I'm not spilling negative comments about you. You're just halarious because you're so enraged.

[alkapone187]

Oh god, now I'm enraged ? right, like you would know that from 2 comments. As old as you is you should find something productive to do with your life besides trying to use an argument on youtube as a comedy. But since you do find me hilarious, take time out your rugged days to come back to this same page to get some quick laughs, sooner you'll come to realize how pathetic your life is kill yourself twice dude.

[BillyJHoward]

My cattle have always lived a grass-fed lifestyle. Always outdoors. Its a beautiful sight. Happy cows = Happy farmers. People think cows Moo a lot. They dont. Cows Moo when they are hungry or when they want something. My cows only Moo to let their calves know where they are etc. If you go to a corporate farm you hear lots of Mooing. If you go to a natural grass-fed farm like the one in this video all you hear is the munching of the grasses... Billy

[jreily88]

grass fed beef contains CLA, which helps prevent and fight cancer.

[1stNeoSpartan]

and poly/mono saturated fatty acids as well. And with it animal Omega 3's.

Also grass fed animals taste better. Go to South America and try some Brazilian/Argentinian beef and you'll notice the difference.

[tjkillduff]

the humane society is a joke...not saying that wat the ppl were doing was right(it wasn't) but that society pretty much is against any livestock operation there is

[dd76553409]

did you know that e coli can grow on the creek bottoms where your grass fed cows water? just a thought

[delmarvalocal]

E coli is everywhere! However if the animal is fed a natural AND healthy diet, then the intestinal tract takes care of the harmful e coli. Did you know you there is more than one strain of e coli? A proper and more natural system uses different species of animals to take care of the residuals before they manifest into harmful bacteria, etc. For example chickens following the cows. Nature knows best.

[hoss122568]

i still like corn feed beef

[badderthanyou]

Grass fed beef is by far the best choice of food for cows. Anyone who thinks stuffing a cow in a feed lot and giving it upwards of 80% corn so it can bulk up as quickly as possible is better is a moron or the owner of a feed lot, in which case they are both.

[stevespielberg]

I'm all for grass fed beef! Better for animals, the environment, and people in general. Worth the cost -- even at double the cost.

[1stNeoSpartan]

actually it can be cheaper. Grass is very resilient and can grow when corn (and other crops won't). Grass doesn't need fertilizer.

Don't mow your lawn for 3 weeks and you will see what I mean.

[IluvABbeef]

Grass doesn't need fertilizer? In some cases, yes if you got good soil. But in most cases, this is false. All plants need some form of nourishment, and, naturally speaking, 70% of this comes from animal feces; the other 30% from dead plant matter. Approximately. BUT, if you are talking synthetic fertilizer, no of course not; there are other alternatives.

Grass-fed beef is cheaper to produce for the producer. But when it's on the market, it is a little more expensive than grain-fed beef.

[belovedideas]

Watching the downed cow convinced me to switch to grass fed organic beef. I put this video on my blog today (TheSkinnyOnline) so my readers can learn. Thanks!

[JCMLLC]

Fact - Ecoli is a bacterium that can live within cattle. It does not matter whether that cattle is grass finished, corn finished, or grain finished.

NO! Grass finished beef is NOT "more tender". It IS more tough. That is a fact.

[ckfarm]

Fact, E-coli is only a problem in grain feeding when the rumen turns acidotic. This was proven when animals from a feedlot were fed hay a few days before slaughter, the e-coli diminished!! So why are herbivores still being grain finnished when we know people will die from it? Greed?

Grass fed can be just as tender and a whole lot more tasty. It requires some effort to do it-grazing management. Grass fed is the future!!

[abyssquick]

grass-fed has far better fat profile-- it's precisely in tune with nature. doesn't make you fat. doesn't make you sick.

might as well be a different animal, it is so different.

people tend to lump together "beef" no matter what is has been fed. but for any lifeform, what you feed it becomes what that creature is made of. and if it's fed an unnatural diet, it is not a healthy animal.

you are what you eat, and with meat that means what that animal ate.

[moraljustice]

First off, I'd like to say that Patty is a sexy beast. I'd like to her to graze on me for a little while!

[toaster31]

this whole thing is bogus. you can't even compare the efficiency of corn fed beef than these "angus" grass fed calves. Just because a few people treat some down DAIRY cows badly doesn't mean that the beef industry is bad. As for this hormone issue, there is nothing wrong with a growth supplement that keeps them healthy and strong enough to maintain a well fed life. Grass fed calves aren't necessarily calmer either because how often do they come in contact with humans? Right before slaughter.

[Joszuaprocess]

Abuse and mistreatment is widespread. Have you ever seen pictures of the feed lots these animals are kept on? Growth hormones have been linked to various forms of cancer, birth defects, and thyroid disorders.

Domestic cattle, Bos Taurus, do not exist in the wild. In fact, if left without human attendance - even the most minimal - they will die. The various forms of wild oxen and buffalo are not cattle. They're only close relations like the simians are to us.

[farmmo4ever]

Joszuaprocess, have you ever worked in a feed lot? I recently worked in one of the biggest feedlots in the world,huling manure out, which is located in south west Kansas, and I can tell you the cattle are treated very well, b/c the treatment of them affects the meat and the margin of profit is so low that they can not afford to produce a bad product. Also many feedlots are finishing lots,meaning the cattle are started on grass and then sent to the lot to bulk up on corn and high fat additives

[Joszuaprocess]

So shoveling shit equates to working the kill floor and the shoots? Does 500 cattle on a feed lot built for 200 sound humane? How about you ask the exploited immigrant workers - who are missing fingers and hopped up on amphetamines to cope with the grueling hours - about their conditions?

I'm a vegetarian for a reason, man. I've seen these things first hand and it's not pretty, humane, nor ethical to the animals, workers, or the consumer.

[farmmo4ever]

Kill floor are you serious? feedlots dont have kill floors. The feedlot where I was, was a custom feeder meening farmers would send thier cattle there to be raised. Do you think they could keep thier customer base in they were treating the cattle badly? I have been to many feedlots all over the midwest and have never seen such things. The cattle all had plenty of feed water and were not standing knee deep in crap. the pens at feed lots are scraped everyday.

[farmmo4ever]

If you have never worked with cattle then you know that all they need to be "happy is feed,clean water and a dry place to lay down.

I'm sure there are a few feedlots in the country where the cattle are misstreated, and those people are missrepresenting the cattle industry. All this bs is just a ploy by PETA and other such groups. what is this country going to do when we cant even produce the food needed,due to the reglulations that these groups want to impose. You are allowed to tour opinion.

[farmmo4ever]

Please tell me when and where you have seen these things, on a ducumentry produced by PETA?

As far as the workers I know many guys who work at feedlots,there hours are not that bad 12-14 hrs/day. as a dairy farmer I work 15-16 hr days 7 days a week. Am I hoped up on amphetamines? NO!

I am glad your a vegetarian, that means more steak for me. As a farmer it makes me so mad that people dont relize that America has the safest and cheapest food in the world. Agian you are allowed to your opinion.

[Joszuaprocess]

I am not a member of PETA. They're vegans and assholes, to boot. Anyone who likens the Holocaust to the meat industry is full of grade A bullshit. I state my opinion, but I would never push my lifestyle on someone else like they do.

By admitting there may be feedlots that mistreat their animals and employees, you validate my point and the point others outside of PETA "and other such groups" have put across.

As for claim of food shortages from regulations, that is completely asinine.

[Joszuaprocess]

Are you unionized? Or is Kansas one of those BS "right to work" states that believe organized labor smells like Marx? Feedlot workers in Alberta, Canada took part in protest against the same condition that you describe.

[Joszuaprocess]

Cheap doesn't not mean safe. That is AFIA/USDA propaganda promoted so that the general public turns a blind eye to what is actually happening. Have you read the studies showing the fecal content of the average pound of beef? Not to mention the effects antibiotics, growth hormones, the environmental effects manure run off have on people?

Enjoy your steak, dude. Until there is reforms in place, I'll stick with my Portabella burgers.

[frankenfoamy]

Ok, toaster, you make some good points. Please tell me why 70% of all the antibiotics produced in the world are necessary to keep feedlot (corn fed)cattle alive long enough to get to slaughter size.

[IluvABbeef]

Again, it's all about the digestive upset in cattle from a primarily grain diet: ACIDOSIS. Without some sort of supplement to reduce this disorder, the feedlot could have some very sick cattle on its hands; and by the time that they are spotted, chances are its too late and they're goners anyway. So catching them early and treating them, and keeping on treating them til withdrawal period before slaughter, is necessary to keep them alive until then.

[mosquitosting]

You are severely ignorant. They are given that shit just so they can stay alive until slaughter day, no matter how sick they are, and these "supplements" contribute for them to get sicker, which means they have to use more "supplements". these "supplements" only benefit the people who make a profit from these cows, it does not help the cow nor the consumers health. i bet you drink a shit load of milk with rBGH, a growth hormone, and I bet you don't know what the fuck it is.

[toaster31]

have you ever seen a feedlot? i have lived on a farm with a feedlot my entire life. i can't ever remember giving any antibiotics to any animal other than maybe a couple that had pneumonia and they were fine after treated correctly. i don't know why you think that these cattle are loaded up with supplements because they aren't. my advice would be to not criticize something you have never had first hand experience with.

[IluvABbeef]

I think a lot of that has to do with each individual farm and the management practices that go with it. Apparently your management practices involved the right kind of environment and feed for healthy feedlot animals which had no need for antibiotics constantly. My hat's off to you. :)

[IluvABbeef]

A lot of it has to do with the problem of acidosis that these supplements have to be constantly administered to the cattle. Another thing is if the feedlot is feeding heifers, a drug has to be put in the feed so that they don't go into heat...forget the exact reason why. Growth hormone isn't really necessary for beef animals because they're growing anyways, and the feed they're fed is making them bigger as well. For commercial dairy cows though, that's a different story, unfortunately.

[Braveluck]

As someone who finally took the plunge and bought a wholesale lot of grass fed beef from a local farm, I can say that it is delicious and superior to the hormone/cornfed beef from the feed lots. I'm so glad I have a freezer full of it. Yes, it costs more, but buying the wholesale lot made it $4.75 a pound so that's tolerable. Plus I've got a huge prime rib waiting for the holidays.

[trfarms]

isnt it also inhumane to let a sick cow suffer and not treat it

[got2havesugar]

Those arn`t Angus.... Maybe half Angus, they must have some hereford in them. Also the aninmals getting pushed around are dairy cattle NOT BEEF! Fox needs to do more studying before they air something.

[trfarms]

anything for ratings

[jeffwend55]

I agree, the info on grass fed beef and its benefits are true, but the other video may be there for shock value.

[DrewDawg50]

As long as the grass beef cost more people will want the cattle that are bulked up. This doc should think of a way that doesn't cost more for Americans.

[bonejeenyus]

go green cows!!!!!!

[wsteven82]

Grass fed is great but surely it doesn't HAVE to cost twice regular...

Nor does it take twice as long to finish. If it took twice as long to finish then grass fed steers would be being butchered at 28 to 36 months. It does take longer, but the inputs should be so much lower...

[dadnewby]

I bet that this made Monsanto's hair stand on end when this aired on a FOx station. Go grass fed!