The US & UK are printing that much money in the middle of an housing depression, that house prices are actually rising. Keynesian economics is just totally fucking insane. I used to think they could never tax fresh air. But the bastards did with carbon taxes, add to that the death tax and you've milked us to the limit. So fuck knows how they plan to grow the economy.
@dikkydoo1 Obama didn't invent "change" or change as a political concept, he shrewdly and successfully used it to bolster his campaign. "Voting for change" also got Thatcher, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Blair, and Bush the younger into office. It will do the same for the Conservatives, and thank god for that.
@338cst - yes i jumped the gun a bit there, i just think they could have come up with a fresh slogan not just the same old. i am not labour or lib, but i disagree i dont think cons are going to win.
@anyfekinnamewilldo Obviously I can't predict or promise anything as I'm not a Conservative politician, but I hope they will roll back the massive welfare state, take a hard line on the European Union (not likely, but I can dream), champion business over government "solutions", dismantle excessive surveillance apparati (again, not likely), and return the UK to fiscal solvency.
@anyfekinnamewilldo It's not a question of bravery, it's a matter of practicality. I don't mind a perpetual Labour/Tory routine if the Conservatives come out on top more often than not.
But if Tories are by your own admission unlikely to deliver then why vote for them? You are adding to the problem by giving your endorsement to the political class.
The only thing Obama has changed is how much budget deficit the US has now run up (which is beyond huge), and his promised crackdown on free speech on the internet, with his promised of more control to stop people exposing the corruption that pervaded politics, and they are being bought by corrupt music and film executives etc. etc..
Obama is just like many other US presidents, all talk to get elected, and crack down on free speech once in.
The US & UK are printing that much money in the middle of an housing depression, that house prices are actually rising. Keynesian economics is just totally fucking insane. I used to think they could never tax fresh air. But the bastards did with carbon taxes, add to that the death tax and you've milked us to the limit. So fuck knows how they plan to grow the economy.
BloodguardGorak 2 years ago
'vote for change' stolen from obamas campaign, these people are just rubbish, my 14 year old could have done better than that.
dikkydoo1 2 years ago 2
@dikkydoo1 Obama didn't invent "change" or change as a political concept, he shrewdly and successfully used it to bolster his campaign. "Voting for change" also got Thatcher, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Blair, and Bush the younger into office. It will do the same for the Conservatives, and thank god for that.
338cst 2 years ago
@338cst - yes i jumped the gun a bit there, i just think they could have come up with a fresh slogan not just the same old. i am not labour or lib, but i disagree i dont think cons are going to win.
dikkydoo1 2 years ago
What exactly will change when the Tories get in 338cst?
anyfekinnamewilldo 2 years ago
@anyfekinnamewilldo Obviously I can't predict or promise anything as I'm not a Conservative politician, but I hope they will roll back the massive welfare state, take a hard line on the European Union (not likely, but I can dream), champion business over government "solutions", dismantle excessive surveillance apparati (again, not likely), and return the UK to fiscal solvency.
338cst 2 years ago
@338cst Tories will do none of those things I'm afraid.
anyfekinnamewilldo 2 years ago
@anyfekinnamewilldo They may well not, but there's a far greater likelihood of them getting it done than their nearest competitors (Labour).
338cst 2 years ago
@338cst But then we fall into this perpetual Labour/Tory routine. Be brave vote, for somebody else!
anyfekinnamewilldo 2 years ago
@anyfekinnamewilldo It's not a question of bravery, it's a matter of practicality. I don't mind a perpetual Labour/Tory routine if the Conservatives come out on top more often than not.
338cst 2 years ago
But if Tories are by your own admission unlikely to deliver then why vote for them? You are adding to the problem by giving your endorsement to the political class.
anyfekinnamewilldo 2 years ago
The only thing Obama has changed is how much budget deficit the US has now run up (which is beyond huge), and his promised crackdown on free speech on the internet, with his promised of more control to stop people exposing the corruption that pervaded politics, and they are being bought by corrupt music and film executives etc. etc..
Obama is just like many other US presidents, all talk to get elected, and crack down on free speech once in.
liarpoliticians 2 years ago