ONE PUNK UNDER GOD: Episode 3 Podcast

[4me2liveisChrist1]

Interesting to be that when you hit the dislike button the numbers still don't change? Still tryin to make it look like most of America is pro gay?

[RobertAdams68]

You go Jay! The world needs more like you to demonstrate the unconditional love of God!

[IamLate4You]

I love you Dad ...  you conniving, stealing, thieving, corrupt, con artists of a Father

….. what are you drinking ???

[PenSword35]

FINALLY!!!! A Ministry with some balls! Is it a perfectly flawless and Biblically pristine endeavor? Hmmph name one organized religious intent that ever was! I think Jay Baker is a guy that has learned , the severe and hard way, the difference between real faith and assumption. Though I don't agree with you on every point ...You have my sincerest respect Mr Baker!

[Rockymtntruth]

Whites7en "you have been turned over to a reprobate mind, my lost friend." The Webster Dictionary explains the word "reprobate" in this way. " to condemn strongly as unworthy, unacceptable, or evil" The one who is reprobate and evil is you White7en. Anyone who self-righteously and Pharisaically points fingers, condemning (condemning to hell) a person who is loving, kind and helping others has a real psychotic problem. White7en You're a pathetic loser who seriously needs to get a life!

[matrixhull]

I felt the same way but if you read this it sums it up " If you are without sin cast the first stone. keeping this in mind might enable you to pray for them but dont slay people with the bible. God Bless with lots of love

[bykerchyck]

The only one who could ever reach me

Was the son of a preacher man

The only boy who could ever teach me

Was the son of a preacher man

Yes he was, he was, mmm, yes he was

[bykerchyck]

Tribute blog to tammy faye messner (close the dots when pasting):

curezone . com/blogs/m . asp?f=1184&i=13

[daddycakes51]

god i love his glasses :)

[Whitese7en]

Christians are not trying to do that either but because we understand the urgency of "getting saved" and the consequences of not "getting saved", we are perhaps more zealous to share the truth with those that are lost.

[BoricuaTrash13]

I'm Jewish and even though that we had made some mistakes in our past, but c'mon what has happened to christianity, they can't find a way to make ppl believe because of their fascim, you never see a Muslim, a Jewish, a Buddhist a Hindu, etc. tryin to make ppl swallow their bible...I'm nothing this punk, becuase he's tryin, but people always talk but they never listen...

[Whitese7en]

Let me tell you, the Quran is no friend to homosexuality. In most Arab countries, it is a crime punishable by death so don't give me this crap that Christianity is alone in it's condemnation of this deviant immoral lifestyle because with in most major religions, it is condemned across the board, even in Judaism.

[BoricuaTrash13]

Yeah you are right, but killing people won't change things, it will make things worst, specially in America, the "land of the free" if you can call it like that...

[Whitese7en]

I'm not for killing anyone, except those who have been convicted of killing another with malice and premeditation. As for America, the citizenry enjoy far more personal freedoms in this country than anywhere else in the word.

[BoricuaTrash13]

Amen... XD take care man...nice talking with you, honestly, because it's not easy to talk about topic like this with people..cheers.

[Whitese7en]

Yes, I enjoyed talking with you as well. Till we meet again,

God Bless

[Zanecooper66]

God Loves All Of Us, There is this thing called the Bible and there might be something in there thats says like come as you are check it, out sleep on it, and we'll talk.

[Whitese7en]

You're correct, we are to come as we are however, we aren't supposed to stay as we are. There should be a change of sorts when one embraces Jesus Christ as Savior and makes Him Lord of one's life. The ultimate goal God desires for us is to be conformed to the image of His son and this requires change.

[Zanecooper66]

You're totally correct, I agree with you, but somethings are harder to change and alot of christians struggle with the same things thier whole lives. It's kinda like saying someone who swears every day of thier whole life isn't worthy of the love and grace of God and that Jesus didn't die for them. Grace Covers All of our sins and they are all equal. Jesus's blood covers all of our sins.

[Whitese7en]

Agreed, however, JB refuses to even acknowledge that homosexuality is a sin. Until he does that, people will never attempt to change because he is reinforcing their erroneous belief that they don't need to change and that is an absolute 100% lie straight from the pits of Hell. True repentance produces change.

[BoricuaTrash13]

He might not refuse that, maybe he's tryin to let people to decide and to change when they feel to, not because some asshole tell them to change...it's a process you know.

[Whitese7en]

It's not up to people to decide what is or what isn't against God's will, it's up to Him and Him alone. God is the one who says they must change because their lifestyle is an abomination in His sight, not some a**hole as you so eloquently put it. JB wants to marry same sex couples if a law is passed which will allow him to do so, which is clear to me that he is either denying or fails to understand the truth of God Word concerning homosexuality.

[CrashGoodbye]

God doesn't condemn homosexuality. Thought I should let you know that. And yes, I have read the Bible and I can prove it. Just thought you should be aware.

[Whitese7en]

You may want to crack open your Bible and read it again my friend because it's in there, as plain as day.

1Co 6:9 You know that wicked people will not inherit the kingdom of God, don't you? Stop deceiving yourselves! Sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals,

1Co 6:10 thieves, greedy people, drunks, slanderers, and robbers will not inherit the kingdom of God.

[Whitese7en]

It states very clearly that "homosexuals" "will not inherit the Kingdom of God" period.

This means they will not go to Heaven. If they will not go to Heaven, then they are condemned. I will somewhat agree with you on one point however, although they are indeed condemned, it is not for homosexuality that they are condemned. No one goes to Hell for the sin of homosexuality. In other words, homosexuality is not the sin unto death but it is very much a sin.

[1wrinkles]

the kingdom of God means a place you go when you die? if so you better go sell all you have or your in deep doo doo

[Whitese7en]

How so?

[jleeustin]

the kingdom of God is among God's people. it is within us. not a place you go when you die. And if you read..being a homosexual is not a sin. but practicing homosexuality is. someone can be a homosexual and still belong to the Kingdom.

its just like, i'm a liar, a thief and a murderer (because its my fault Jesus had to die, therefore i killed Him) but i don't practice these anymore. but that doesn't mean i'm not one of those anymore. you see?

[Whitese7en]

Sorry friend but the kingdom of God is indeed a "place" we go once this life is over, provided we have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. that is.

If it were not a "place", Jesus would not have called it a "place".

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a "place" for you.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a "place" for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

[Whitese7en]

I never once said being a homosexual(having same sex attraction) was a sin in and of itself.

If one doesn't act upon those desires, they have not sinned.

[jleeustin]

Where does Jesus say the Kingdom is a place though. those scriptures are true, but they say nothing about the Kingdom of God. Luke 17 says, Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."

its within us. we are God's temple. He lives in us & so does His kingdom.

[Whitese7en]

He is referring to the kingdom of God in those scriptures. The kingdom of God, is salvation or His Father's house as He refers to it in those verses. The kingdom of God is God's abode or Heaven.

If we know Him, yes, the Kingdom of God or salvation is within us but that means we have received the forgiveness of sins which is required to receive the kingdom of God which is ultimately Heaven.

[Whitese7en]

As Jesus states to Nicodemus,

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

It is a place and a thing.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en Well you have proven there are many interpretations among Christian sects found within Christianity. You & jleeustin's arguments are a case in point. You can't go to one Evangelical in let's say Montana and then another one in Vermont & get the same interpretation. Archeology, ancient historical studies and looking at ancient documents that were written contemporary to Paul can provide a window into what Paul really meant. There was no such word as homosexuality in Paul's world.

[Whitese7en]

Actually, I can. There are several on this site who have commented on the heretical Jay Bakker videos and we are all 100% in agreement that homosexuality is a sin that is condemned by the Bible in both the NT and the OT. We may differ on other issues but we are 100% in agreement on this issue.

[Rockymtntruth]

No (like the Pharisees) you're obsessed with the jots and tittles and every nuance of legalism you can get your greedy clenched fists on telling everyone that they are not righteous because they don't follow or believe the brand of Christianity you do.

[Whitese7en]

No, all I'm obsessed with, is truth.

LOL!! I'm anything but a legalist.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en "No, all I'm obsessed with, is truth." LMAO. That's funny, that's exactly what Jim Jones and other cult leaders would say.

[Whitese7en]

That's also what Jesus said, not in those exact words of course, but He was about truth as well.

In fact, He even referred to Himself as the "truth".

Did you forget that? ...or did you not even know that? I'm willing to bet, it's the latter.

That makes your earlier comment look rather silly now, now doesn't it?

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en Regardng Jesus statement "I am the way the TRUTH..." your self-righteous, holier than thou, know it all, entitlement kind of attitude is coming through again as usual. Jesus was not a Pharisee and certainly couldn't stand the legalistic, self-righteous attitudes of people. He certainly spoke out against that very loudly.

[mortitio]

@Whitese7en Why do you single out ONE sin? God hates sin, yet we are BORN into sin....I think it's called the "HUMAN" condition. Now STOP putting humans in catagories. We're all made of the same dirt.

[Whitese7en]

Because Jay Bakker is known to single out this sin himself. I am merely refuting his lies with truth.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en Jay Bakker is not singling out "this sin himself?" You are and you are amplifying it to the point that it makes people sick. Jay Bakker is responding to the insanity, Pharisaical self-righteousness that people like you display in your self-righteous, holier than thou attitudes toward gay people. He sees the damage that has done to countless gay Christians and he is striving to heal and help people love one another.

[Whitese7en]

Are you serious?? That's his whole shtick, that homosexuality is not a sin and that he is for gay marriage. I've heard him single out that one issue on several different videos.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en You're really very dense a to the point you're blind to reality. Once more, Jay Bakker sees reality and you don't. He has seen countless gay folks be devastated and scarred by homophobic, anti-gay churches, families and peers. Jay's ministry is about REAL, AUTHENTIC healing and support for gay people. GAY PEOPLE CAN NO MORE CHANGE THEIR ORIENTATION THAN YOU CAN OR THAN A LEOPARD CAN CHANGE HIS SPOTS. The mythology you have bought into because of your belief system is a tragedy.

[Whitese7en]

I've seen countless homosexuals damaged myself by that perverted lifestyle, which is why I'm only here to refute the lies of Jay Bakker. He refuses, either out of ignorance or rebellion, to tell people the truth. Since he will not tell people the truth, I will.

[Whitese7en]

No, gay people can not change their orientation. I agree with that 100%, Jesus however can change their orientation. I've seen it happen, so it is possible. However, even if their orientation isn't changed, they can stop committing homosexual acts. Being gay may or may not be a choice. There is no conclusive proof, at this time, that homosexuals were born gay. Sin, on the other hand, is always a choice.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en The people you are thinking of are self-loathing because of the religious bullshit that you and people like you shove down their throats telling them they will be happy & they believe it and they suffer for it so they use sex & drugs to medicate their fear and shame. Man the world would be infinitely better without self-righteous, pharisaical, phony Christians like you.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en To say that Jesus can change a gay persons orientation to heterosexual is pure childish bullshit and is not only an offensive LIE but it is like saying Jesus can change a person into an angel with wings so they can fly away; or Jesus can change a person from an African American to a Norwegian. Obviously Jesus would never do such a thing. God has created gay people as part of His way not how you think it should be. You're so damned childish it's pathetic.

[Whitese7en]

"Childish bullshit" huh?? Well, I have friends, who at one time had embraced the gay lifestyle but are now married in heterosexual marriages and even have families, so it is possible. I would not have said that, if I did not have personal knowledge of people who have been set free from the bondage of homosexuality.

[Whitese7en]

I have other friends, who are not married, but who are living celibate lives in obedience to God. God has revealed to them the sinfulness of homosexuality and they have responded accordingly.

My lost friend, Jesus makes us new people and gives us new desires when we surrender everything to Him. He came to set the captives free. It's what He does best.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en Your friends who say they are "celibate" are much more believable though suppressing your true feelings is never the healthiest thing in the long run. I know of people who have done that for many years. They were miserable. Your arrogance in making such offensive statements like "my lost friend", etc. seriously is off the charts of self-righteousness.

[Whitese7en]

It's not a "healthy thing" to die without Christ either.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en Again we have the Christian Pharisee acting like God. Keep it up. You're digging yourself in deeper every post.

[Whitese7en]

But you are lost, my lost friend. I am merely speaking truth.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en "But you are lost my lost friend." LMAO No you're the one who is lost. In fact you're so brainwashed you can't even see reality.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en You have friends who "embraced the gay lifestyle". You know you really are delusional and don't really get it. I know some men who said they were attracted to men, claimed they were no longer gay, got married, had children & several years later got divorced because they couldn't live a lie anymore. So your friends with beards don't really prove much of anything.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en LMAO - "I've seen countless homosexuals damaged myself by that perverted lifestyle..." Man alive you're a creep. Making those kinds of offensive, self-righteous, holier than thou statements and then thinking you can get away with it. You obviously do not know grounded, loving, kind and decent LGBT people. T

[Whitese7en]

I'm sorry that the truth is so offensive to you, but it doesn't surpise me in the least.

True regenerated Christians, are never offended by the truth, unless of course they are in rebellion. The question you need to ask yourself, is which one are you?

1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en Of course you're going to throw that scripture in my face like a stone thrown by a Pharisee. Of course however, the preaching of the cross has nothing to do with the kinds of things you have said about gay people. Jesus never said one thing about gay people, yet gay people were all around Him in the ancient world. There was no such word as "homosexual" in the ancient world.

[Whitese7en]

The preaching of the cross, is a reference to the preaching of the Gospel truth. It is the Gospel truth, that homosexuality is a sin. Ergo, the preaching of the Cross, has everything to do with the preaching of the Gospel truth that homosexuality is a sin.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en The Gospel is NOT about homosexuality being a sin you idiot. There is absolutely NO evidence from the ancient texts that homosexuality in & of itself is a sin. You show the people here from the original Greek texts that homosexuality in & of itself is a sin. Show us the ancient words Paul used are equivalent to that word. Homosexual is a modern word & Paul had no such reference in the ancient world. You have been brainwashed with a corrupted modern translation of these passages.

[Whitese7en]

The Gospel is the Good News about the truth of God's Word concerning Christ and His teachings. Christ Himself, reaffirmed the OT teaching concerning the boundaries which God set for marriage and sex, and that was that it was to be between men and women exclusively.

[Whitese7en]

No, homosexuality as a word, did not exist, I agree with that. But, as I have stated numerous times, the verses which condemn the sinful practice of homosexuality in the OT and in Romans 1, never even use the word homosexuality.

[Whitese7en]

It is obvious however to anyone without an agenda, that the "vile affections" being described, are indeed homosexual. The meaning of the statement "the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly" , is abundantly clear to those of us who are lovers of truth and who read it without an agenda to deny what it says.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en "Obvious to anyone without an agenda that vile affections being described are indeed homosexual." Actually the one who is vile is you. You're a self-righteous, holier than thou Pharisee who is blinded by your own self-righteous worldview. You're the one with the agenda. A self-righteous, holier than thou religious agenda.

[Whitese7en]

I only speak truth.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en "Sinful practice of homosexuality" Those verses have been corrupted from the original ancient Greek & I'll bet you don't even know what they say. You probably think your anachronistic, modern interpretation is the word of God without error. I sometimes wonder whether people like you actually worship God. You worship a book like it is an Idol. It's called the Bible. Worshipping something that was manmade (the Bible was manmade canonized by religious councils) is called Idolatry.

[Whitese7en]

I worship God only. Jesus is God and Jesus is the Word of God. The Bible is God's Word where He reveals Himself to His creation. I believe the entire Bible to be the divinely inspired, inerrant Word of God. The word of God is neither corrupted or mistranslated. The only folks who seem to have a "problem" with it, are those whose flesh disagrees with its teachings.

[Rockymtntruth]

White7en you think that God just magically created this book called the Bible and that all of the books in it are somehow magically without error. You obviously have not studied Bible history and how the bible came to be. You need to ask yourself these questions. 1) Where are the original manuscripts of the New Testament books? 2) How old are they? 3) When were these manuscripts written & by whom? 4) Who canonized the various books? 5) Why were some books put in and others left out?

[Rockymtntruth]

There is no evidence one way or another (in His own words in red) as to whether He would condemn or accept a same gender marriage. He is silent on it. Yet you speak out as though you know more than He does and as though you can fill in the blanks. You have to not only look at the whole of the word but also look at how gay Christians apply the word in their lives. Try the Spirits as Paul said. Try the spirits of couples who are gay & Christian & who live a monogamous life & are raising kids.

[Rockymtntruth]

Correction to that last statement.  I'm typing way too fast. Try the Spirits as John (not Paul) invited us to do in 1st John 4:1.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en Yeah Jesus "reaffirmed the OT teachings concerning marriage alright." POLYGAMY was the norm. What was that about those 10 virgins who came into the wedding banquet to the bridegroom? Hmmm that was definitely a reference to the polygamous norm of the ancient Jewish world of the time.

[Whitese7en]

Way to dodge the point I made. Jesus reaffirmed the OT teaching concerning marriage and sex, that it was to only be between a man and a woman, period.

[Rockymtntruth]

Nope didn't dodge any point. Jesus descended through a polygamous line through David who had many wives. Jesus even uses polygamy in a parable about the Church and the Savior when He refers to the 10 virgins (plural) and the bridegroom (singular). It wasn't just one virgin who was smart in preparing her lamp.  It was 5 of them. The other 5 were foolish and didn't make it to the wedding.

[Whitese7en]

Yes, you most certainly did dodge it.

I'm not referring to what men taught, I'm referring to what the Father taught.

Did Jesus reaffirm the boundaries which the Father set in Genesis concerning marriage and sex?

Yes or No

[Rockymtntruth]

Yes and No. Jewish law (ask a Jewish Rabbi or two and they will attest to this) states that a woman is sanctified to the man. A man could have as many women sanctified to him as he felt he could care for. Jesus never once condemned polygamy as He knew that it was part of ancient Jewish custom. The story of Adam and Eve (for the Hebrews and later to the Israelites) was the story of how the first woman became sanctified to a man. If you wish to understand the Old Testament...

[Whitese7en]

I'm not asking about polygamy. All I'm asking about, is the OT teaching of the Father concerning marriage and sex.

Did Jesus reaffirm the boundaries which the Father set in Genesis concerning marriage and sex?

It's a simple yes or no question.

[Rockymtntruth]

Of course you're the one who is dodging the reality of the past. You worship a fantasy that never existed. If you want to deal with reality. Deal with evidence that is hard, fact based & real not a religious fantasy like you live in. Jesus answered a specific question that in that instance to a Jewish leader answered his question about divorce and marriage. According to the bible Adam & Eve never were divorced. They became one flesh and it was their job to "multiply & replenish the earth"

[Whitese7en]

Dodge dodge dodge

Is this because you don't have an answer?

Or, is it because you're a coward?

Just answer the question yes or no.

I'm not asking for a dissertation or a report on the condition of the marriage of Adam & Eve. All I'm asking for, is a simple yes or no answer.

Did Jesus reaffirm the boundaries which the Father set in Genesis concerning marriage and sex?

Yes or No?

[Rockymtntruth]

"Dodge dodge dodge" LMAO!!! :) Totally hilarious!!! You believe in a talking snake in a garden and in a man who was magically created out of dirt and a woman who was magically taken out of this magically created man's rib. So how can a person have a logical conversation with a nutbar who believes in fantasy's? If you take the passage in context Jesus refers to the couple in Genesis as the example of a divine marriage yes.

[Whitese7en]

Thank you for answering the question, finally ...albeit with of course the usual amount of commentary which wasn't asked for.

Yes, it is a divine marriage and the only marriage by which people are to ever become one flesh.

No, I don't believe those things happened by magic. Magic, is of Satan and he had nothing to do with the creation of Creation. I do believe however that it did happen by the power of Almighty God, which is far far more powerful than anything Satan could conjure up.

[Rockymtntruth]

LOL - I said "A divine marriage." I didn't say "THE divine marriage." The Latter-day Saints are more honest about the marriage issue than you are. At least they teach that their temple marriages ("sealings") last for eternity. I don't know what is more divine than that. They also believe that we have Heavenly Parents (Father & Mother). It is interesting, however, how Patriarchal and male dominated that many traditional Christian religions (including much of Mormonism) have become.

[Whitese7en]

They also deny the deity of Christ, so if I were you, I wouldn't put a lot of credence in what the "Latter-day Saints" have to say.

Btw, they also believe as the Bible teaches and as I believe, that homosexuality is a sin.

[Rockymtntruth]

Figured youd say that about another Church. This is typical of arrogant pharisees like yourself. The LDS would support you in your views about marriage. Your statement that they "deny the deity of Christ" shows what a fat liar you are. It's not cool to bear false witness fellow Christians. Here's a portion of the preface to the Book of Mormon - "And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, THE ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations."

[Rockymtntruth]

What makes marriages divine is not the form of that marriage but the love, intention, the caring, the commitment that goes into them. The whole purpose of the Genesis account was about procreation and that has been the main program of the Hebrew people throughout the Old Testament. If anyone refused to procreate that was considered a sin. Marriage took on many forms throughout the O.T. including sick ones. Even if a man spilled his semen instead of impregnating a woman that was a "sin".

[Whitese7en]

No, what makes a marriage divine, is that it doesn't violate the Laws of God.

Yes, it was about procreation but it was also about the parameters which God set for marriage and sex. Nowhere within those parameters, is there a provision for anything other than one man being married to one woman, period.

[Rockymtntruth]

Well I completely disagree with you and so do millions of other people as well including a great many Christians and Jewish people. Abraham, King David (the lineage whom Jesus descended) and a host of other Old Testament prophets had more than one wife. Nowhere in the Bible does God condemn these men for this practice. It was all about raising up a powerful nation with prophetic bloodlines. So your one man one woman tradition is a modern interpretation not an ancient one.

[Whitese7en]

And you and millions of others will rot in Hell in disagreement with me, along with this lying heretic Jay Bakker. I don't give a flying rip who disagrees with me!! The truth of the matter, is that they will all burn in Hell for eternity for refusing to embrace saving knowledge in Jesus Christ.

[Whitese7en]

Btw, David is described in scripture as a man after God's own heart. You, my lost friend, are not. The reason the Bible describes David as a man after God's own heart, is because David repented of his sin before God. You my lost friend, have not.

[Rockymtntruth]

LOL - "You my friend have not."  Spoken yet again by a self-righteous, pharisaical jackass who seriously thinks he can judge people like God does. I can read and study those passages without your self-righteous interpretation thank you very much.

[Whitese7en]

Then why don't you.

[Rockymtntruth]

...go talk to an Orthodox Rabbi. Talk to the people who descended from ancient Old Testament Israelites. Talk to the people who's forefathers brought you the Old Testament through their sacrifice and faith. They know and they will explain it much more clearly than your pastor ever could. The Jews know these things very deeply. So when Jesus is answering the Pharisees questions He is referring to the majority but not all. There are some who never would get married and yet they were good.

[Whitese7en]

You're still dodging the question.  Why is that?

[Rockymtntruth]

Why is it that you have such a simple childish mind? I'd like you to see you go to a major, difficult and high end university and get a hard fact based education.

[Whitese7en]

LOL!! I graduated twice from Duke University and once from the University of Pennsylvania and I assure you my lost friend, it wasn't easy in the least. It was nine long years of very hard work. I know several thousand people who would take umbrage with your previous comment.

You're really grasping at straws now. In my 18 years of experience in the courtroom, when the other side begins to resort to that, it's usually a sign of desperation.

[Rockymtntruth]

LOL!!! "I graduated twice from Duke University and once from the University of Pennsylvania and I assure you my lost friend, it wasn't easy in the least. It was nine long years of very hard work. I know several thousand people who would take umbrage with your previous comment." For someone as educated as you allege to be you sure are dumbed down by religious bullshit. I'd say you're the one who is desperate. If you have 18 years in the courtroom why in the hell are you wasting your time?

[Rockymtntruth]

I'm not going to fall for your little trap of either/or black or white argumentation. It just wont work.

[Whitese7en]

His ministry about making people feel good about themselves regardless of their sinful condition.

No healing is realized from this lying approach, which doesn't confront what is at the center of their sickness, sin. They may feel good about themselves, but they're being lied to and the lies they're being told, are going to land them in Hell for eternity. I'm convinced that you have been turned over to a reprobate mind, my lost friend.

[Rockymtntruth]

@Whitese7en Also burning in lust has to do with the Idol worshipping priests and priestess's. It includes the men who castrated themselves for a goddess. If self-castration is not "receiving within yourself a penalty" I don't know what is.

[Rockymtntruth]

Would the Genesis scripture apply to them? I mean did Jesus say "shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave unto himself and live a life of celibacy and follow the Lord?"  Jesus has many different audiences and He answers their specific questions as they apply to them. That includes a life of singleness. He did not speak about a same sex marriage as there was no such thing (as far as I know) under ancient Jewish law. Would Jesus have condemned a same gender love and marriage?

[Whitese7en]

Not only would He condemn the perversion of homosexuality, but He in essence did condemn the perversion of homosexuality, when He reaffirmed the Father's OT teachings on what the boundaries concerning sex are to be. The Father set the boundaries in the OT and Jesus, many thousands of years later, reaffirmed those boundaries.

[Rockymtntruth]

"Not only would He condemn the perversion of homosexuality, but He in essence did condemn the perversion of homosexuality, when He reaffirmed the Father's OT teachings on what the boundaries concerning sex are to be." For a lawyer you certainly know how to pull b.s. out of your proverbial ass. Typical. These are YOUR PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS. Also I'm well aware of what the LDS teach regarding marriage. Duh!! Who do you think raised a load of money to support prop 8?

[Whitese7en]

This isn't BS my lost friend, it's scripture. Although, to a lost person like yourself, I can see how you would think it is BS.

How is it my "PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS", when Jesus did in fact make the following statement.

Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Mar 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

Mar 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

[Whitese7en]

My lost friend, the OT teaching on marriage and sex made no provision whatsoever for homosexuality. Jesus Himself, reaffirmed this OT teaching that marriage and sex, was to exclusively be between a man and a woman.

[Whitese7en]

When Jesus makes the statement, "FOR THIS CAUSE", that is Jesus reaffirming the OT teaching regarding marriage and sex.

Mar 10:7 FOR THIS CAUSE shall a man leave his father and mother, and CLEAVE TO HIS WIFE;

Mar 10:8 AND THEY TWAIN SHALL BE ONE FLESH: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

[Whitese7en]

When Jesus says "FOR THIS CAUSE", what on earth do you think He was referring to? I'm no English major, but, from what I remember about my English courses, I believe He is referring back to what He had just said, which is, "But from the beginning of the creation God made them MALE AND FEMALE".

This is not about my "PERSONAL INTERPRETATION" my lost friend, it's about your absolute refusal to submit to the authority of Christ in your life and repent of your wicked, perverse lifestyle.

[Rockymtntruth]

Your MALE & FEMALE black and white interpretation is about as simple minded and simplistic as they come. In the real world there are individuals who have both sexes and sexual orientation is also NOT cut and dried like you think it is in your simple childish mind. You have absolutely no Idea what kind of "lifestyle" I live & yet you act as though you are God. You continue to show forth your brainwashed stupidity everytime you post here.

[Whitese7en]

Yeah, when Jesus says something, I tend to believe it. I guess that's one of my faults.

Jesus said, "because the Father made them MALE & FEMALE, for this reason, man will leave his parents and cleave unto his wife and they shall become ONE FLESH". Nowhere in scripture, is there a provision for any other kind of marriage or sex.

[Whitese7en]

THEY, is referring to a husband(male) and a wife(female), period. Jay Bakker is a lying heretic, who will one day pay the ultimate price for his continuing to propagate a lie. Not only that, but he is going to have on his hands the blood of all those he led astray.

[Rockymtntruth]

You are a lying, Pharisaical ass who thinks he can speak for God. You continue to repeat your stupid, creepy. fear-based remarks as though repeating it over and over again is going to make it real. Your judgmental Jackassery and religious extremism and insanity is very apparent here.

[Whitese7en]

I continue to speak and repeat scriptural truth.

[Rockymtntruth]

Oh by the way Whitese7en the only one with bloody hands here is you. People like you are the ones who do all you can to make gay people feel horrible about who they are and far more apt to commit suicide. The lives of many gay people have literally been taken because of the toxic religious rhetoric that people like you spew out reinforcing the self-hate that gay people still too often are brought up with. You obsess on this so much it makes me question whether you have personal issues with it

[Whitese7en]

The lying heretic Jay Bakker, is the one with blood on his hands, not me. Jay Bakker is leading homosexuals down a primrose path straight to the gates of Hell, not me. No one will be going to Hell because I misled them by withholding the truth from them. My only goal, is to proclaim the scriptural truth concerning the sin of homosexuality. The sad part, is that anyone can open the Bible for themselves and see what it says, without the aid of a teacher.

[Whitese7en]

The problem, is that many people only want to hear that which tickles their ears. They have turned away from "sound doctrine" and instead have opted for "fables" that make them feel good about themselves but in the end, serve only to destroy them.

[Whitese7en]

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[Jacksonholenativ]

You know you must seriously feel threatened by Jay Bakker and those who like him because you are constantly (obsessively) posting on this site as though you know it all and can make decisions for people. People can decide on their own whether they agree with him or not without you and your vast amount of bible knowledge and fear-based religion. For someone who has a degree from a prestigious university and a legal career as you claim you have you sure are insecure.

[Whitese7en]

LOL!! I assure you my lost friend, I in now way feel threatened by a lying heretic.

I am on this channel, to proclaim the truth of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and to refute the lies of the lying heretic Jay Bakker. I don't know it all, but I do know the truth concerning the sin of homosexuality.

LOL!! And by what evidence have you deduced that I am "insecure"?

[Whitese7en]

Oops, make that "I in NO way feel threat...".

[Jacksonholenativ]

It's very obvious that you are insecure from your own personal obsession with homosexuality and your reaction to what others say including fellow Christians. Your so-called warning to others about Jay Bakker is what a fellow Christian has stated you are "throwing them over the cliff." You have no Idea who Jesus is or what love is.  Your example shows us how much you act like the ones who constantly harassed Jesus though. You're so much like them it's pretty scary.

[Whitese7en]

No, my lost friend, what is "pretty scary", is how far some people have strayed from "sound doctrine".

Anyone who claims to be a "fellow Christian" and takes issue with my warning concerning the lying heretic Jay Bakker, is most definitely not a "fellow Christian". No surprise there, because as the scripture states, "there are many who go in by it".

Repent before it is too late!!

[Jacksonholenativ]

"Anyone who claims to be a "fellow Christian" and takes issue with my warning concerning the lying heretic Jay Bakker, is most definitely not a "fellow Christian"." So says the great Self-Righteous one. Anyone who disagrees with you, you call a heretic and you demonize. What a wonderful, kind person you are. NOT!!

[Jacksonholenativ]

Also what does Jason & DeMarco have to do with the Price of Tea in China? They are very kind, loving and decent individuals who would not be fighting with you like I am as they don't believe that contention is of God.

[Fins002]

@ Whitese7en: "No one will be going to Hell because I misled them by withholding the truth from them." That is quite a bold comment to make in the presence of an Almighty God.

[Whitese7en]

@Fins002 And it's quite true as well.

[Rockymtntruth]

Jesus was answer a question of a Pharisee and you think it applies to every single person on this earth. Don't agree with you. God is far bigger than this little piece of information that you cling to as though it is all there is. Again you don't even think about the fact that God created people who are intersexed (BOTH SEXES) as well. The Bible is NOT a science book. It is meant to be a deeply valuable spiritual guide but not something that must be emulated in every way (i.e. stoning, etc)

[Whitese7en]

Yes, it does apply to every single person on the earth. All unregenerate sinners will be judged by the same God and by the same criteria. As it states in Ecclesiastes.

Ecclesiastes 12:.13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

[Whitese7en]

The verse states it is the "whole duty of man". This verse doesn't single out Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc.. It singles out no one, because it is all inclusive of all of mankind.

It goes on to say my lost friend, that every work of yours will be judged whether good or evil. It will all be brought to light on judgment day.

Ecclesiastes 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

[Whitese7en]

You will burn my lost friend in the everlasting fire of torment for your wicked and perverted lifestyle.

Jay Bakker doesn't care enough about homosexuals to tell them the truth, so I will.

Repent, before it is too late!!

[Rockymtntruth]

"You will burn my lost friend in the everlasting fire of torment for your wicked and perverted lifestyle." LMAO! What a pathetic idiot. Keep it up. Keep up with the judgmental fire and brimstone batshit crazy insanity. That will get you great returns in heaven I'm sure. NOT! Also I'm sure that gay people just love hearing what you have to say to them. They all think you're a total lune who needs to be put in a nut house.

[Whitese7en]

I don't give a rip whether you like what I say or not.

I will continue to speak truth on this board concerning the sin of homosexuality as long as God continues to give me breath in my lungs.

[Rockymtntruth]

"My lost friend." get a life you condescending, arrogant ass who thinks he can be the judge. "Jesus Himself, reaffirmed this OT teaching." You're so literalistic (very childish) to the point that you likely never even question anything. You are so brainwashed by your evangelical cult you can't even see the forest for the trees. Wow, you need to seriously look in the mirror and think about the one who is really lost and that person is you Whitese7en. You're a real wingnut.

[Whitese7en]

I'm a born-again Christian who is a lover of truth, you are neither.

[Rockymtntruth]

"I'm a born-again Christian who is a lover of truth, you are neither." You are an ass who loves to brag about yourself.

[Whitese7en]

I am a born-again Christian, nothing more and prayerfully nothing less.

[mojo001103]

You take these laws that forbid homosexuality out of context. And you forget that they were written by MEN that thought the Earth was FLAT.

[Rockymtntruth]

@jleeustin You are comparing apples to oranges here. If you were brought up to believe that heterosexuality was sinful and that just like a liar or a thief, etc. if you practice it you are practicing sin but if you repress it then you're doing God's well do you think that you would be able to handle that for very long? I don't think so. In fact I think you'd likely be so depressed and even suicidal that you would be miserable. Gay Christians lives show forth the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

[Whitese7en]

The difference my lost friend, is that the Bible condemns homosexuality but it doesn't condemn heterosexuality.

[Rockymtntruth]

LOL - "my lost friend." Actually my modern Pharisaical and self-righteous friend I'd look seriously in the mirror when you say things like this. Of course you're so childish and simplistic in your thinking you likely could not grasp any of the big picture concepts that the Holy Bible teaches.

[ViolentSanity]

The kingdon of god isnt JUST a place to go when you die. Its the "church"-the ppl who are on fire for God (lol there are so many flamer jokes that could go with that) Its just love and showing and sharing the love and the understanding of who God and Jesus are.

[k1llj0y666]

maybe all you judgmental fucks should shut the hell up

[Glennandrews]

Maybe dad wants to kick your ass for all those dumbass tattoos and that staple on your lip.

[accordingtome]

maybe fathers resent it when their sons showcase their relationship to thousands of people on youtube.