There was NO genocide of armenians by our allies, the Turks in WW1
AND
There was NO holocaust of jews by ourselves, the Germans in WW2
BUT
The EVIL ZIONIST instigated BOMBING of Dresden was a HOLOCAUST of half a million innocent German men, women & children.
Winston Churchill is a war criminal!
There was AND is an ongoing genocide & ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Christians & Palestinian Muslims by the EVIL ZIONIST ANTI-Christs in they're INVASION of Palestine!
Dresden was one more city destroyed in a fashion started by the Luftwaffe in Sept !939 when they destroyed Warsaw. It is claimed that the was was almost over - not so. The Allies had still not crossed the Rhine in the West and V2 rockets were still being launched on London, rockets still being made by slaves labourers in Mittelbau-Dora, 20,000 of whom were hung, short, beaten or starved to death in the process. Extermination camps were still murdering Jews, Roma and other 'undesirables.'.
@eddie123e V2? What about them? They were as much effective as a rock hurled by a wooden catapult. The Germans shoud've loaded those V2's with some nerve gas, to make them actually pack a punch.
I think the causes of war are much simpler that those which you claim. Human beings, like all life forms, are programmed to perpetuate their own species, beginning with those most closely related in terms of their genes. This gives them a predisposition both to offensive and defensive action. This is a key part of the selfish gene. Your views are simply racist. We have nothing more to say to each other.
@eddie123e what about my views are racist? You have nothing more to say because you are apparently a coward. If you're gonna make a claim like that you should back it up with evidense.You think you're slick not sending the replies to me and instead commenting in general, but we all know its because you're hoping I wont notice your comment. I haven't stated anything that isn't backed up by historical facts.You sound like an anti white zionist jew peddaling the sympathy BS. Your lies have no place
I respect you views but find it an oversimplification Human beings are imperfect and unlikely ever to be perfect. If someone attacks me or mine, I feel entitled not only to defend myself but to take proactive action against the aggressor so that they will think twice about doing it again. I was in the British army at the end of the war. Why i witnessed was a level of inhumanity without parallel
@eddie123e You talk of atrocities on both sidee. I neither saw nor heard of any actions committed by any US or British soldiers that could be regarded as atrocities. Individual act of discipline in the British army were always dealt with severely. We will learn from history only if we acknowledge the mistakes of the past. Most Germans I know have acknowledged past misdeeds and moved on. To deny these or to claim that we were just as bad is to guarantee that these mistakes will be repeated.
@eddie123e " I neither saw nor heard of any actions committed by any US or British soldiers that could be regarded as atrocities." You don't think dropping an atomic bomb and killing thousands of civilians an atrocity. Seems like you only consider anything the germans did as an atrocity? For one germany was at the beginning seemingly fighting to recover territory that was taken from them after WWI. As far as I'm aware warsaw poland used to be german territory. Anyways, war itself is inhumane..
@eddie123e I still believe one has to understand what causes war instead of getting hung up on the acts during war if they really want to learn from the past. Most people don't understand what happend in WWI, the German Revolution, or the Treaty of Versailles. If people understood what happend to the german people during these events they might understand why the germans were so happy to support Hitler. Making Germany pay war reparations while they were broke made them have to borrow money from.
@eddie123e ..the U.S. When the U.S. recalled their loans at the beginning of the depression it devastated an already impoverished Germany. If you study some of the claims of the germans about the Jewish role in the german revolution, which arguably caused germany to lose the war despite the spring offensive, and their general prominent position and lifestyle among the rest of the impoverished germans you can begin to understand the mindset and thus reason for the antisemitism. What guarantees...
@eddie123e that these mistakes will be repeated is people not picking up a book and realy researching the causes of those atrocious wars. When treating an illness you dont treat the effects of the disease you treat the cause of it or it will return.
Adolf Eichmann did not dispute the facts of what happened during the Holocaust. During his trial, he insisted that he was only "following orders"—the same defense used by other Nazi war criminals during the Nuremberg Trials. He declared that he had followed the Führerprinzip. He testified that: "I never did anything without obtaining in advance express instructions from my superiors."
Wollt Ihr den totalen Krieg? Ja. Aber nur so lange wie nur andere Staedte zerstoert werden!.
Wikipedia is widely regarded as a good source because it is internationally open to challenge. When facts or statistics are published for which there is no verifiable source, this is always made clear.
The city must completely disappear from the surface of the earth and serve only as a transport station for the Wehrmacht. No stone can remain standing. Every building must be razed to its foundation.
SS chief Heinrich Himmler, October 17, SS officers' conference
Warsaw has to be pacified, that is, razed to the ground.
Adolf Hitler, 1944
These are references which exist in the national archives of teh US, Uk and Germany.
The city had NO military signifcance at all. Ther was was 2 half months away from ending. The city had NO defences. No flak at all. It was a cowardly act. An act of pure GENOCIDE against a defenceless civilian population. The third raid was called off. There was nothing more to bomb. Low flying American strafers dove and aimed at and shot down civilians lining up for water after the fire bombings.
The fact that extermination camps were still operating right up to the moment that Germany capitulated is also never mentioned. If German generals has accepted the Allied surrender terms when the knew the war was unwinnable. No-one in Dresden would have died. I walked among the death pits in Bergen Belsen in June 1945. They had been covered over at this point but the stench of death prevailed. I did collect money for the Frauenkirche rebuild but I place the blame for Dresden on Germans.
It is almost never mentioned but while Dresden was being bombed, Germany was still launching V2 rockets indiscriminately on London, rockets made in Mittelbau-Dora by slave labourers, 20,000 of whom were shot, hung, beaten or starved to death. The fact that poison gas was still being madei in Dresden in Chemische Fabrik Goye is also never mentioned. Nor is the fact that Germany started the fashion for city bombing in Sept 1939 when they destroyed Warsaw killing 10 times more than died in Dresden!
@eddie123e A classic example of the LIES and wild exaggerations made up in order to justify the wholesale murder of DEFENSELESS German civilians during the last weks of the war. Dresden was a sanctuary city, with over one million refugees fleeing the Russian advances out of Germany's eastern provences. Warsaw never even had this population ! "Extermination camps" not one shred of physical evidence: No bones. No gas. Not even any ashes of "cremated" victims.
@Avalon400 Although the actual number killed in Warsaw is not in itself important, it is confirmed. Check Wikipedia - 'The attack on Warsaw' What matters is that it was the first city bombing in WW2 - a fashion started by the Luftwaffe. I did not read about WW2 - I lived through it. I walked among the death pits in Bergen Belsen. I wonder why the Mayor of Bergen Belsen committed suicide after having been made to visit the camp and witness the horror for himself.
@eddie123e " killing 10 times more than died in Dresden!" Actually after researching your reference (wikipedia) ,which isn't a very good reference since it can be edited, the figures of total polish dead was between 60,000 and 63,000 not 200,000. You can see for yourself if you read the notes at the bottom of that page. So "killing 10 times" is not accurate.
@smilinjack30 It is revealing that your prefer the lower figure. Some sources are indeed debatable. What is beyond debate is that the fashion for city bombing in WW2 started when the heroes of the Luftwaffe destroyed Warsaw in Sept 1939. Germans, conscious of what the Russians had suffered at their hands (Einsatazgruppen usw) were fleeing all along the eastern front, not just in Dresden. When you walk among the death pits before they are tidied up for tourists it changes your perspective.
@eddie123e You should be aware that I also mourn the dead in Dresden as I mourn the all of the dead in WW2, soldiers and civilians. I don't regard the bombing of Dresden as any greater a crime than the bombing of any other city and to portray it as such is to continue the fairy tale started by Dr Goebbels. I was a close friend of Lothar Goebbels, Dr Js nephew, when he was a law student at Bonn in 1951/2. He committed suicide in 1953 because no German would employ him because of his name.
@eddie123e.."It is revealing that your prefer the lower figure" Really? What does it reveal? That I prefer facts as opposed to your propaganda? The number I stated came from you reference, wikipedia. Maybe you should actually read the whole page before you use it as a reference. Your inflation of the number is whats revealing and shows that you are not only too lazy to really research your opinions, but that you have an agenda and propaganda is your device. You dishonor the dead with your lies.
@smilinjack30 it is invariably the case that when a poster of limited intelligence has no valid responses to those who oppose his views, he resorts to personal insults. Even if the lower number your prefer was accurate,it still means that the heroes of the Luftwaffe with their 'friendly bombing' killed in Warsaw more than double the number killed by the Allies in Dresden with their 'terror bombing' It is also indisputable that this was the first city bombing of WW2 ie Sept 1939.
@eddie123e@eddie123e Oh come now Eddie don't be a child. The only thing that was disputed about your post was the numbers, which again, I used YOUR reference to find the correct ones. You shouldn't get all bent out of shape when someone fact checks your reference and finds a discrepency in your post. Insinuating that I have alterior motives or that I have limited intelligence simply because I looked where you told me to look and the info didn't match what you stated is a weak and inept attemp..
@smilinjack30 I conceded that the numbers are debatable. The numbers you quote are no more likely to be accurate. My point is that he bombing of Dresden was horrendous but no more horrendous than the destruction of many other beautiful cities. Bomber Harris said, "You sow the wind - you reap the whirlwind." When the gallant heroes of the Luftwaffe destroyed Warsaw, they sowed the wind and Dresden, London, Coventry, Stalingrad, Buchenwld, Sobibor, Belzec, Mittelbau-Dora reaped the whirlwind.
@eddie123e War is full of atrocities on both sides. Would you expect it to be any other way? I find that trying to only highlight one sides misbehavior while excusing the other sides is useless and only leads to more division amognst people. Instead of arguing about who was the the biggest human rights violater in a war, I prefer to get to the why the war happend in the first place. If someone brings about war they shouldn't complain about the atrocities encountered within. War is an age old....
@eddie123e .result of mans imperfections and sin. For example, If I were to pick a side in a land dispute between two neighbors and then provide money,legal aid which ended up helping my side win, I should expect that the other neighbor wouldn't like me and therefore would consider me his enemy justifiably so. WWI and WWII both happend for very easy to find reasons once you spend some time researching them. I think more should be taught as to the causes of these wars since we all know the effect
@eddie123e .at trying to avoid accountability for providing false statistics. Stating that I use personal insults because I cant give a valid response to your views is ridiculoius since you don't know if I DO oppose your views. I haven't stated my opinion on Dresden or Warsaw, neither have disputed what you said about Warsaw being the first city bombed. Again, I simply looked up your statistics and found you to be wrong. Your attitude is pretty revealing as to your motive for giving false stats.
If I was visiting Germany I would be more than happy to go to Dresden and lay a wreath for those who died. Would TheMrPangloss, Elberiver11 etc do the same for those who died in London, Coventry etc? Of course they wouldn't, as they are racist nazi filth with no compassion for anyone but themselves. They wouldn't even care about the 3 million germans who died fighting against the nazis from 1933 - 45.
All nazi apologists are nothing but miserable, cowardly, racist filth; OR clinically insane.
Now, I could go on all night with this but I think you get the idea. Germany in WW2 was the most despicable, murderous, and evil regime to have ever existed since the time of Genghis Khan. If you DON'T think that, then I'm sorry but you're a deluded nazi fuckwit (or have been brainwashed by childish propaganda from deluded nazi fuckwits). Saying that bombing Dresden means that the western allies and Nazi Germany as 'equally bad' is truly pathetic and disgusting to the memories of those who died.
Still more? Of course there is: Germany used millions of slaves to do the worst jobs imaginable, hundreds of thousands were worked to death. UK did nothing like this. Germany used slave labour to build it's V-weapons, whose only aim was to kill enemy civilians. UK did not. Germany promoted and armed fascist nationalist movements around the world, resulting in wars in which countless thousands died. UK did not. Germany burnt captured enemy towns and cities as it fled back home, in pure revenge.
Lets continue...Germany imposed terror across it's empire, killing anyone who opposed them. UK did not. Germany instituted murderous racial policies in all it's invaded lands. UK did not. Germany aided japanese warcrimes and cooperated with them in chemical and biological weapons, and medical experiments.See Unit 731. UK used no such weapons. Germany attacked civilian passenger ships. UK did not. UK forced members of its new empire to fight for them via conscription. UK did not.
Some differences between UK and german conduct in WW2: Germany killed 10,000,000+ civilians in extermination camps. UK killed none. Germany captured thousands of towns and shot/hung/burned all the inhabitants. UK did not. Germany killed over a million captured prisoners of war. UK did not. Germany invaded a dozen nations. UK liberated them. Germany carried out horrific medical experiments on thousands including children. UK did not. Germany routinely tortured and executed civilians. UK did not.
Hey jacklondon21. I don't know what revisionist history you've been reading, but it was the Nazi's that started World War II. I might also like to remind you that Goebbels, pushed for "Total War", in 1944. It was a tragedy that innocents died in the bombing of Dresden, but the same can be said for those who died by German hands in the Cities of Warsaw, Rotterdam. War is unjust and hurts everybody.
Here are perhaps a few names they should all remember, before they start calling the allies war criminals and the murderers of women and children:
Warsaw
Lidice
Rotterdam
Stalingrad
Oradour-sur-Glane
Kiev
and perhaps countless other Russian villages that where wiped off the map by German troops, their inhabitants shot and murdered or simply bombed as they did at Stalingrad before the entered the city. These are but a few examples of German brutality, the Germans themselves choose to ignore.
Elberiver11 - to be honest I was just trying to respond in a reasonable fashion but you are going off the rails. This level of hate doesn't help me, you or anyone. I'm just going to say that every aspect of that war was regrettable and wish you and the people of Germany well. From everyone here in England. Peace.
@itsinmynamechap Please. The thing is, why was the A-Bomb dropped ?? To shorten the war by demoralisation. Well, us Brits didn't have that technology so we had to use what was available. The purpose, to show Germany that Berlin was next or else !!!!!!!!!
@MrCagivaman another British Nazi trying to belittle Allied warcrimes. Hiroshima was a Holocaust, you moron. Go find better excuses for your atrocities.
@Elberiver11 Who gives a fuck. At least it was dropped on Japan. I''m fucking glad we flattened Dresden. We should have done the same over the whole of Europe, then we wouldn''t have the the shit E.U. telling us what to do.
Who gives a shit about Hiroshima anyway, apart from you, fuck face !!!!!!!
@Tintelol So, you're a Homophobe. Hmmm, bet you're really proud of that. Bet you're at home now throwing one out eh???? Greasy, little , fat, four-eyed pussy. Think that about covers it.
By the way if you're going to to post, LEARN TO SPELL I've managed the word you couldn't manage once, 4 times and I cracked it fuck-face.
Well in one way or another it was a strategic bombing. So you could ask, what difference does it make if it is a town that builds military hardware or if there was another reason for bombing Dresden. Innocent people would have died either way which is why war is a bad thing for us all. Bare in mind that German forces bombed British city's like Canterbury and Bath purely to destroy British cultural heritage. The Germans started a war in which millions of innocent people died.
@itsinmynamechap LOL another British liar. The Germans did not start bombing historic cities. They bombed Covevntry (centre of British military ) and the London Docks. The British however started bombing hospitals, children and women, and only after the wicked British RAF would not stop their warcrimes, they Germans payed them back with the same coin. When you start wars, dont complain about being bombed back, you moron.
Bath and Canterbury are almost untouched cities, you moron, compared to what you bastards did to Hiroshima,. Hamburg, Nagasaki and Dresden, you Allied child-abusing pigs. Your criminal Allied leaders Roosevelt and Churchill should have been tried and hanged for genocide. But in your pathetic country, childkillers and massmurderers are not brought to justice, but put on monuments. Be ashamed of your country and of your pathetic self. How disgusting to be American and British.
@Elberiver11 america was the last country to enter the war. when you conducting the blitz against london america didn't enter the war. that was between you and the brits.. no problem with that. but pearl harbor occurred and 4 days later Hitler declared war on the US. BIG MISTAKE......
The Allied bombers went to great lengths with heightened risk to avoid historic and religious sites. Good example, the catherdral in Köln. By February 1945, some concentration and extermination camps had been liberated showing the world the kind of leaders the German Volk elected. At this time also, V-2 missiles were being launched on civilian London, killing thousands. At this point, the Allied High Command said enough was enough. Give them a taste of their own medicine.
@jacklondon21 you Allied pigs killed millions of innocents, and remember it was you who started war on Germany - not the other way round. Calling a HOLOCAUST like Dresden a tiny "black mark", is a bit rich. You swine attacked an undefended hospitasl city, overcrowded with 500 000 refugees, mainly children and women. Your English pig Churchill waited until enough children were in the city, then he would hit.
You call whirling screaming children into a 3-miles high Firestorm "a black mark" ?
@jacklondon21 this was not a black mark, this was a holocaust, you dirty British criminals. The Germans have thousands of monuments to honour the Jews, so why dont you British criminals have at least a tine monument to honour and commemorate the millions of innocent children and mothers you swine killed in the war? You British people are disgusting and indedent race. You should learn how to honour the dead, especially when its millions of children and women, deliberately murdered by you.
@Elberiver11 1- i am turkish and " jack london " is a famous american author. 2 - yes, dresden was a holocaust. shame of humanity. i agree with you about monuments...etc. 3 - you are a disgusting fucking racist, you are not better than those who did dresden bombing.
@Elberiver11 'commemorate the millions of innocent children and mothers you swine killed in the war?'; and 'You should learn how to honour the dead, especially when its millions of children and women, deliberately murdered by you.'. Now, PLEASE SHOW US the millions of dead women and children deliberately murdered by the UK in WW2. You stated it, so it must be true, right? I don't want figures about the USSR or US, I want figures listing the 'MILLIONS deliberately killed; by the UK in WW2. Hmm?
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0:53 good to see that the Jewish Community of Dresden (read Viktor Klemperer's diary) also commemorates the German victims of warfare. A hopeful sign.
Nazi human experimentation was a series of medical experiments on large numbers of prisoners by the Nazi German regime in its concentration camps mainly in the early 1940s, during World War II and the Holocaust. Prisoners, mostly Jews, were coerced into participating: they did not willingly volunteer and there was never informedconducted similar medical experiments at Mauthausen.
"It looked a lot like Dayton, Ohio, more open spaces than Dayton has. There must be tons of human bone meal in the ground" ~Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five or The Children's Crusade
Die linken / "Antifas" sind null fähig selber zu denken. Wer den Spruch teilt "Deutschland verrecke" (also unser aller Heimat) der soll denen weiter hinterherlaufen. Es sind aber hunderte täglich die aufwachen und dieses Spiel durchschauen. Und wer es noch nicht kapiert hat, die sogenannten Antifaschisten sind die heutigen Faschisten - und werden vom Staate/Kapital gesteuert. Zu dumm es selber zu bemerken.
Leute wacht auf, unsere Heimat ist es wert für Sie einzustehen und zu kämpfen.
iDresden holds an anniverary of the bombing every year. London was bombed day and night for months of end and, in common with all other heavily bombed UK cities, holds no such celebration. Warsaw which suffered 10 times the number of deaths as Dresden also holds no such 'celecbrations.' V2 rockets were still falling on London when Dresden was bombed and 20,000 innocent people were hung, shot, beaten, starved or worked to death in Mittelbau-Dora making the rockets. Who celebrates their murder?
@eddie123e You don't understand. There are no celebrations in Berlin where 40 000 died by bombings. Because of the circumstances of the the bombings Dresden is famous and it is regarded as a war crime by many, also Brits. Warsaw was a war crime of course, and there are celebrations. There are also many celebrations to remember the Nazi victims.
All victims of the war, of war crimes and of crimes against humanity should be commemorated.
Above all, blind hate like yours must be finally stopped.
25,000 dead???? Thats the BIGGEST BULLSHIT I have ever read! So many buildings were destroyed and everyone was home that night sleeping not knowing the ally slaughter of the innocent was only moments away! Look at the PICS! The entire city destroyed! Your going to say only 25,000??? Try 125,000! At least one hundred and twenty five thousand innocent people lost their lives! Winston Churchill is rotting in hell! F*CK YOU WINSTON CHURCHILL!
@Nikateer The figure of 25,000 dead is the figure given by Dresden City Council, not by the RAF or the USAAF. Only the city centre was destroyed not the entire city. But it was only a response to the German bombing of British cities like London, Manchester, Liverpool, Coventry etc.
The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki according to senior Japanese academics, saved some 20 million Japanese lives - this is the number of civilians they calculate that would have been killed or committed suicide in an invasion. The probable number of Allied deaths in an invasion was 2 million. More POWs and slave labourers died EVERY MONTH in Japanese hands than were killed in total in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But don't let the truth spoil your debate!
The Allied air crews who dropped bombs of Dresden took off from a country which was being indiscrimately attacked by V2 rockets each with a 1000 kg high explosive warheads against which there was no defence. No country can conduct a full scale war without the men and materials and the physical and moral support of it citizens. The Dresdeners enthusiasticaly screamed Sieg Heil ( Hail to Victory) and raised their hands when the Fuehrer visited them - as long as the war was going in their favour.
Masonic satanic judaism motivated killing of Germans. This is the same as the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, both cities that had no military significance, but both were significant Roman Catholic centers. May Jews and their gentile dupes and helpers, the Freemasons, burn in the internal fires of hell. Amen.
The Western Allies never bombed Dresden; Dresden's destruction was caused by a big, out-of-control fire that occurred when the authorities there couldn't bury all the dead from both retreating German forces and a local typhus epidemic and when they tried to burn all the bodies, the city caught fire and was destroyed.
The "myth" of Dresden was started by The Soviet Union after the war in order to frighten their own people into accepting the new, post-war alignment of "The Cold War."
bomber Harris did right if they was civilians or not they would of still been producing bombs planes and such to attack England the Nazis did the exact same thing to us terror bombing designed to brake the peoples spirit.it just proved how evil Hitler was when he started exterminating the Jews. he had to be stopped no matter what including his followers. if the war would of lasted a few more months i guarantee America would of dropped the atom bomb on Berlin.
while setting all 82,000 mio germans at the same step (or however you say this) you really insult all the "normal" people, als the leftwings, all the antifascist.
there was one thing, old communists knew: the border is not a border between peoples, it is between rich and poor, between social-progressive and antisocial-regressive,
i m german. and i can t stand nations at all, because they separate us, make us enemys
@lordbrainless1 Good Comment. The SS were supposed to be fighting for their 'country' What is ones country? Is it the dirt we walk on? is it the temporary government of the day? or is the Leitkultur? It is right to fight to defend ones family and friends or even ones 'country' it is quite wrong to fight for more 'lebensraum' Harris's actions were a horrendous, possibly even unnecessary act of war - but not a war crime. The holocaust was a war crime.
they didnt commit war crimes like described in history books you fucking jew. people like you deserve death.
did you know that there were pictures used as an evidences about holocaust and those pictures were shot in dresden after allyed bombings? they said that those pictures were made in dachau concentration camp. like many holocaust fotos were shot in russian gulags and later they changed them. winners write the history.
Data from the International Red Cross: Towns 600 000 population, 275 000 were killed, 100 000 of them were children. There was 1300 allied airplanes bombing and from the cities 28 000 building 25 000 were destroyed.
But that was not the end of bombing; 2nd march 406 American bombers B-17 bombed the ruins of Dresden and the fighters who escorted them fired civilians, who tried to escape from the town and firefighters.
Today German "officials" said that there were 25 000 people died on the bombin
Data from the International Red Cross: Towns 600 000 population, 275 000 were killed, 100 000 of them were children. There was 1300 allied airplanes bombing and from the cities 28 000 building 25 000 were destroyed.
But that was not the end of bombing; 2nd march 406 American bombers B-17 bombed the ruins of Dresden and the fighters who escorted them fired civilians, who tried to escape from the town and firefighters.
Today German "officials" said that there were 25 000 people died on the bombin
@white14estonia: The allied bombers did a very good job like you've already said. I also think that more nazis were blown off in Dresden. But who cares about numbers? The important thing is that Nazi-Germany didn't get away with the atrocities committed by the nazis.
they didnt commit war crimes like described in history books you fucking jew. people like you deserve death.
did you know that there were pictures used as an evidences about holocaust and those pictures were shot in dresden after allyed bombings? they said that those pictures were made in dachau concentration camp. like many holocaust fotos were shot in russian gulags and later they changed them. winners write the history.
Start with the dual passport Chief of Staff and his closest adviser/speechwriter, and go from there. For a complete list submit a press inquiry and self-addressed stamped envelope to:
@Ahnentreue: Ich kenne keinen einzigen und ich weiß, dass sie glorreiche Geschichten zu erzählen hatten und haben. Wie war das damals eigentlich, als sie die Stadt Dresden sahen und wussten: Jetzt ist der Nazi dran? Ich würde dabei eine geistige Erektion spüren.
Du geistiger Tiefflieger bekommst also eine Erektion, wenn andere Menschen verbrennen. Du gehörst schleunigst in die Klapse, linker Hurensohn. Du bist Menschenmüll, nicht lebenswert und gehörst entsorgt. Was bin ich froh über den rechtsrutsch in Europa, dann endlich werden Knalltüten wie du an die Wand gestellt.
@Ahnentreue: Du vergisst da wohl die Vereinichten Staaten von Amerika! Du und Deine ganze miese kleine Bande, ihr seid nichts weiter als Terroristen, die sich Neo-Nazis nennen. Gegen einen Stealth-Bomber habt ihr eh keine Chance, deshalb glaube ich auch nicht, dass ihr die Oberhand gewinnen werdet und wenn doch, na Du weisst genau, was dann passiert!
Amerika, das ich nicht lache. Dort haben bald die Neger das sagen, und wo die Neger regieren siehst du an Afrika, jüngstes Beispiel Südafrika. Die USA werden in 20 Jahren keine Macht mehr sein, ähnlich wie Brasilien heute.
ich bin normalerweise sehr durchdacht und menschenfreundlich. aber an dieser stellen kann ich mir den dummen spruch nicht verkneifen: Oh bomber harris, do it again!
American and German politicians are almost univerally Zionist puppets. Pitiful state of affairs. Good to see people are defying thought crime laws and demonstrating for truth (not the communist counter-protesters who stoop to violence in order to disrupt)
"How come journalists are always embedded with the leftists? Perhaps because they are Marxist scum themselves?"
I don't know or care what county you're from but in America Journalists are embedded with groups like the Army and Marines.... I've never heard of a marxist radical left wing Army platoon! Have you?
I know. It is vile the way they twist historical facts to legitimize their own sick anti-Aryan/anti-German hatred.
But this is what is happening. Communists can walk down the street with the red flag (including the gold hammer & sickle) whereas National Socialists are beaten and thrown in jail if they bring out the Swastika flags.
Ha ha you bigots are all the same, and im not wrong am i? you are a dirty protestant bastard! What im getting at is the afinnity those orange sash wearing scumbags have with the nazis, also scumbags, is born out of a warped sense of 'superiority' over their subjects! And by the way in nationalist communities in Belfast during the war the people used to be out in the street cheering the bombers on as they bombed the city.. how fucked up is that? You are a cunt sir.
Anti-Semitism, like anti-Americanism which as an American I have to deal with as part of my country's Zionist-led government, is a self-fulfilling issue. Nothing occurs in a vacuum, there is always a cause and a effect. Come to grips with that and discard the philosophy of victimization layered upon lies.
@AryanScot stalinists and nazis should all go to jail and think about their stupid ideologies.
the number of nazis being caught by the police here in germany is much lower than you may think. nearly everday you can here of an attck against migrations or alternative people beaten up by nazis. but almost everytime the plice says that they dont think it was a political act and the search after the nazis is not very enthusiastic.
@AryanScot you spelt hypocrisy wrong, so much for the master race... also i think that if you did some digging, you'd probably find you're not so "pure-blood". The notion of pure blood is utter codswallop as well due to the fact a varied genetic make-up helps Disease-resistance, intelligence, lifespan etc. but then again if you believe you are better than someone due to minute genetic differences you probably wouldn't understand/ care about facts.
@ithotofthisfirst I wouldn't usually merit such a simple-minded comment with a response but since you are located within the same borders as myself, i shall oblige you.
Races exist. There is no denying this. Forensic pathologists can identify the race of a person just from a skull. Negroids can be identified just from a tooth. Mixing races degenerates the highest race. The Aryan race has created every great civilization and invented just about every great device.
@AryanScot I totally agree with you, have have used this as an argument many many times when left wing supporters dont understand that "Winners write history". Simply put, the Allies during WW2 were worse than Hitler, the soviets alone killed more than 20 million people.
@Draious sorry did you just say the allies were "just as worse" as Hitler.... .....Hitler started it......we finished it......childish but true. Dresden got a taste of what Britain had suffered before and after Dresden. so tell me what britain did that was worse than Hitler. We saved Europe
@TrueBritishStyle "Dresden got a taste of what Britan had suffered before.." WHAT?! It was the British who happily used incendiary bombs in berlin, killing more than 900.000 civil people in Germany while Britain suffered around 50.000 dead. Don't come here playing sacred with your "saved europe from evil" bullshit.
@TrueBritishStyle "Dresden got a taste of what Britan had suffered before.." WHAT?! It was the British who happily used incendiary bombs in berlin, killing more than 900.000 civil people in Germany while Britain suffered around 50.000 dead. Don't come here playing sacred with your "saved europe from evil" bullshit.
@Draious oh fuck you.....so germany didnt use incendiary bombs did they??? go back to your history books and see who started it. jesus. are you that full of shit you think Britain just bombed germany for fun.. grow up....and check your numbers of dead while you are at it........its what happens when you follow a madman to the edge .......
@TrueBritishStyle My dead numbers are correct so you need to go back to the books.
And yeah they bombed German cities to show the Russians what they were capable of, so they didn't care about the German lives. You think that the allied during world war two were the knights who was saving the world from "evil", but the truth is that the Soviet was the true enemy to Europe, just look at the aftermath of the war, Cold war, Korean war, Gulf War and now the war in Afghanistan.
@Draious im British , not Russian, so if you are looking for us Brits to apologise for dresden, you will be waiting a very very long time. My whole point was you said we were as bad as Hitler, so im going to take you to task on that. Germany tried to bomb London into submission, it didnt work, GERMANY BOMBED US FIRST. Germans followed a madman,willingly. So if the Brits were so bad how come Germans ran to surrender to our troops instead of the Russians?
@TrueBritishStyle Do you have blinkers on? I said that the RUSSIANS where worse than Germany during the war! Sure the Germans started it (kind of), but when taking all the civil lives lost to both the Russians, British and Americans it is way more than the Germans killed during the war. You always hear about how bad the Germans were, but not the Russians who killed even more than Germany. Also look at Mao, he killed something like 40 million innocent people. Now what is worse, them or Germany?
@Draious Germany kinda started the war??????....now who has the blinkers on, AUSTRIA, POLAND, HOLLAND etc etc etc.....at what point was Germany provoked?.....you said the allies where as bad as hitler....not just russia....otherwise i would have agreed with you. i dont give a shit what russia did, they were just as bad as the nazis agreed....but you said Allies....meaning us Brits aswell......and im saying BOLLOCKS!!!!!!
@TrueBritishStyle Haha this again just goes to show how little you know about the history pre AND post war. If you knew anything about World War 1, you would know that the treaty of versailles made Germany totally responsible for the war, making them loose a lot of territory and having to pay enormous amounts of money to the other countries, thus making the country go into a state of depression. (Continuing in another post)
@TrueBritishStyle .. And when a man then came along, a man who restored Germany's pride and honor by giving jobs to everyone and making the country into a prosperous country again, the Germans felt a need for revenge thus starting world war 2. And don't tell me that 900.000 innocent people bombed isn't a bad thing, England..
@Draious and at the same time was behind the murder of millions of men, women and children while he was giving "a country " its pride back.........dont tell me....there was NO holocaust right?......poor Germany was misunderstood and the allies should have let them take over europe (including Britain). you should have learned your lesson and surrendered after the battle of Britain, you didnt, . end of story, so i suppose Germany would not have invaded Britain would they......
@TrueBritishStyle Yeah they killed a lot of jews because Hitler, and a lot of people at the time, thought jews where the reason why Germany lost WW1 and ended up in a crisis. Hitler never wanted a war with England or France, instead Hitler wanted to regain the lost territory lost during WW1, plus the whole of old Prussia (which is like todays poland). Just for a note, Germany didn't lose Battle of Britain, sure they took casualties but they where the attackers after all. Continuing -->
@TrueBritishStyle .. They stopped their plans to invade Britain because operation Barbarossa was about to start, and they needed all available men, machine and aircraft to invade Russia. Also, yes if hitler had let Russia alone, Britain would have fallen into German hands, you guys had no fighting equipment like the Germans had, nor the manpower to support a war like that. You're lucky that Hitler started a two front war.
@Draious a lot of people thought Jews were responsible???.....so thats a reason to exterminate millions because you lost the first world war?, that sound like a nation of bitter and twisted cunts. We were outnumbered 4-1 in the battle of Britain (dont tell me , have i made those numbers up to?). and you invaded , Austria, Poland and we never did a thing until you thought all Europe was yours, so dont talk about lost territories, was Holland and Norway also part of what you lost?
@TrueBritishStyle Haha just by saying that "a nation of bitter and twisted cunts" shows how immature you are, and also ignorant. And yea, you are wrong on the ratio numbers, because you had 1,963 serviceable aircraft and Germany had 2,550 serviceable aircraft, whom many of were bombers. I like how you say "you" to me, like I'm German or something xD Oh my god, you just know nothing about the votes post 1939.. I'm done talking to you unless you get some real history lessons. You know nothing.
@Draious i know nothing. i know your danish dickhead.......lol...(jews deserved to die and it wasnt Germanys fault...now thats mature isnt it)..GERMANY WERE DEFEATED ....END OF STORY....defeated ....so your done talking to me.....lol.......and what history have you taught me??....a lot of bitter right wing bollocks ...snuggle up to your copy of mein kampf .
@Draious but at least you admit the holocaust happened ( well, it was the Jews fault) but at least you admit it. and what about the invasions of Holland and Norway etc etc. you seem to twist things to suit your right wing view, this started over you calling the allies "worse than Hitler".You had no answer so you brought up WW1 and excuses for the holocaust. I could nt give a shit if your Danish or German, or if you have a History degree , throw what ever numbers you like.
@Draious at the end of the day, the Nazis were a bunch of murdering , evil bastards who most of the world (apart from the right of Denmark obvoiusly) were glad to see the back of. So come with numbers of planes and the number of dead in Dresden, or how badly Germany was treated at the end of WW1....no one cares except Right wing wankers and bitter Nu-Nazis. Germany got off lightly at the end of the war.
@Draious At the start of the war, Germany had 4,000 aircraft compared to Britain's front-line strength of 1,660. . At the start of the battle, the Luftwaffe had 2,500 planes that were serviceable and in any normal day, the Luftwaffe could put up over 1,600 planes. The RAF had 1,200 planes on the eve of the battle which included 800 Spitfires and Hurricanes - but only 660 of these were serviceable... see i can copy and paste any historic bullshit too.
@TrueBritishStyle I love you man, I really love you, in the way you discuss xD Now you've turned ignorant and started saying that I said the holocaust was ok, and how I'm trying to protect Germany by saying its ok that they invaded Holland, france and Scandinavia.
You fail so much, you fail to come up with good arguments and instead turn to mud-throwing.
What I've been trying to tell you, and you clearly don't get, is that the Allies where worse (combined), than Germany. Now please, go outside.
Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?“
(Publikum: „Jaaa!“)
„Wollt ihr ihn? Wenn nötig, totaler und radikaler, als wir ihn uns heute überhaupt erst vorstellen können?“
(Publikum: „Jaaa!“)
„Und darum lautet von jetzt ab die Parole: Nun, Volk, steh‘ auf, und Sturm, brich los!“
And storm really did break loose and people like the Dresdeners paid the price for this stupidity.
eddie123e 6 hours ago
don''t tell me Hitler and his gang were so "lovables".
Bruno53ification 1 week ago
@MFBOSS, I can see by your comment that you have nothing intelligent to contribute here.
smilinjack30 1 month ago
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There was NO genocide of armenians by our allies, the Turks in WW1
AND
There was NO holocaust of jews by ourselves, the Germans in WW2
BUT
The EVIL ZIONIST instigated BOMBING of Dresden was a HOLOCAUST of half a million innocent German men, women & children.
Winston Churchill is a war criminal!
There was AND is an ongoing genocide & ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Christians & Palestinian Muslims by the EVIL ZIONIST ANTI-Christs in they're INVASION of Palestine!
END of story!
whitechristian1066 2 months ago
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Look at the CRICResearchChannel video on Dresden and the commemorations
Neudorf2011 3 months ago
A Jewish guy carrying flowers for the Dresden bombing? Has he forgotten that the Nazis had it coming for the mass murders of his people?
Bruno53ification 5 months ago
@Bruno53ification letting go of hatred heals your heart,hanging on to it makes you a closeminded bigot
langhard1 2 weeks ago
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The bombing of Dresden was a War Crime.
conspiracydog11 6 months ago
Dresden was one more city destroyed in a fashion started by the Luftwaffe in Sept !939 when they destroyed Warsaw. It is claimed that the was was almost over - not so. The Allies had still not crossed the Rhine in the West and V2 rockets were still being launched on London, rockets still being made by slaves labourers in Mittelbau-Dora, 20,000 of whom were hung, short, beaten or starved to death in the process. Extermination camps were still murdering Jews, Roma and other 'undesirables.'.
eddie123e 7 months ago
@eddie123e V2? What about them? They were as much effective as a rock hurled by a wooden catapult. The Germans shoud've loaded those V2's with some nerve gas, to make them actually pack a punch.
headhunter1983 6 months ago
I think the causes of war are much simpler that those which you claim. Human beings, like all life forms, are programmed to perpetuate their own species, beginning with those most closely related in terms of their genes. This gives them a predisposition both to offensive and defensive action. This is a key part of the selfish gene. Your views are simply racist. We have nothing more to say to each other.
eddie123e 7 months ago
@eddie123e what about my views are racist? You have nothing more to say because you are apparently a coward. If you're gonna make a claim like that you should back it up with evidense.You think you're slick not sending the replies to me and instead commenting in general, but we all know its because you're hoping I wont notice your comment. I haven't stated anything that isn't backed up by historical facts.You sound like an anti white zionist jew peddaling the sympathy BS. Your lies have no place
smilinjack30 7 months ago
I respect you views but find it an oversimplification Human beings are imperfect and unlikely ever to be perfect. If someone attacks me or mine, I feel entitled not only to defend myself but to take proactive action against the aggressor so that they will think twice about doing it again. I was in the British army at the end of the war. Why i witnessed was a level of inhumanity without parallel
eddie123e 7 months ago
@eddie123e You talk of atrocities on both sidee. I neither saw nor heard of any actions committed by any US or British soldiers that could be regarded as atrocities. Individual act of discipline in the British army were always dealt with severely. We will learn from history only if we acknowledge the mistakes of the past. Most Germans I know have acknowledged past misdeeds and moved on. To deny these or to claim that we were just as bad is to guarantee that these mistakes will be repeated.
eddie123e 7 months ago
@eddie123e " I neither saw nor heard of any actions committed by any US or British soldiers that could be regarded as atrocities." You don't think dropping an atomic bomb and killing thousands of civilians an atrocity. Seems like you only consider anything the germans did as an atrocity? For one germany was at the beginning seemingly fighting to recover territory that was taken from them after WWI. As far as I'm aware warsaw poland used to be german territory. Anyways, war itself is inhumane..
smilinjack30 7 months ago
@smilinjack30 you are brain dead bottom line
MFB0SS 1 month ago
@eddie123e I still believe one has to understand what causes war instead of getting hung up on the acts during war if they really want to learn from the past. Most people don't understand what happend in WWI, the German Revolution, or the Treaty of Versailles. If people understood what happend to the german people during these events they might understand why the germans were so happy to support Hitler. Making Germany pay war reparations while they were broke made them have to borrow money from.
smilinjack30 7 months ago
@eddie123e ..the U.S. When the U.S. recalled their loans at the beginning of the depression it devastated an already impoverished Germany. If you study some of the claims of the germans about the Jewish role in the german revolution, which arguably caused germany to lose the war despite the spring offensive, and their general prominent position and lifestyle among the rest of the impoverished germans you can begin to understand the mindset and thus reason for the antisemitism. What guarantees...
smilinjack30 7 months ago
@eddie123e that these mistakes will be repeated is people not picking up a book and realy researching the causes of those atrocious wars. When treating an illness you dont treat the effects of the disease you treat the cause of it or it will return.
smilinjack30 7 months ago
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Adolf Eichmann did not dispute the facts of what happened during the Holocaust. During his trial, he insisted that he was only "following orders"—the same defense used by other Nazi war criminals during the Nuremberg Trials. He declared that he had followed the Führerprinzip. He testified that: "I never did anything without obtaining in advance express instructions from my superiors."
Wollt Ihr den totalen Krieg? Ja. Aber nur so lange wie nur andere Staedte zerstoert werden!.
eddie123e 7 months ago
Wikipedia is widely regarded as a good source because it is internationally open to challenge. When facts or statistics are published for which there is no verifiable source, this is always made clear.
eddie123e 7 months ago
The city must completely disappear from the surface of the earth and serve only as a transport station for the Wehrmacht. No stone can remain standing. Every building must be razed to its foundation.
SS chief Heinrich Himmler, October 17, SS officers' conference
Warsaw has to be pacified, that is, razed to the ground.
Adolf Hitler, 1944
These are references which exist in the national archives of teh US, Uk and Germany.
eddie123e 7 months ago
The city had NO military signifcance at all. Ther was was 2 half months away from ending. The city had NO defences. No flak at all. It was a cowardly act. An act of pure GENOCIDE against a defenceless civilian population. The third raid was called off. There was nothing more to bomb. Low flying American strafers dove and aimed at and shot down civilians lining up for water after the fire bombings.
Avalon400 7 months ago
The fact that extermination camps were still operating right up to the moment that Germany capitulated is also never mentioned. If German generals has accepted the Allied surrender terms when the knew the war was unwinnable. No-one in Dresden would have died. I walked among the death pits in Bergen Belsen in June 1945. They had been covered over at this point but the stench of death prevailed. I did collect money for the Frauenkirche rebuild but I place the blame for Dresden on Germans.
eddie123e 7 months ago
It is almost never mentioned but while Dresden was being bombed, Germany was still launching V2 rockets indiscriminately on London, rockets made in Mittelbau-Dora by slave labourers, 20,000 of whom were shot, hung, beaten or starved to death. The fact that poison gas was still being madei in Dresden in Chemische Fabrik Goye is also never mentioned. Nor is the fact that Germany started the fashion for city bombing in Sept 1939 when they destroyed Warsaw killing 10 times more than died in Dresden!
eddie123e 7 months ago
@eddie123e A classic example of the LIES and wild exaggerations made up in order to justify the wholesale murder of DEFENSELESS German civilians during the last weks of the war. Dresden was a sanctuary city, with over one million refugees fleeing the Russian advances out of Germany's eastern provences. Warsaw never even had this population ! "Extermination camps" not one shred of physical evidence: No bones. No gas. Not even any ashes of "cremated" victims.
Avalon400 7 months ago
@Avalon400 Although the actual number killed in Warsaw is not in itself important, it is confirmed. Check Wikipedia - 'The attack on Warsaw' What matters is that it was the first city bombing in WW2 - a fashion started by the Luftwaffe. I did not read about WW2 - I lived through it. I walked among the death pits in Bergen Belsen. I wonder why the Mayor of Bergen Belsen committed suicide after having been made to visit the camp and witness the horror for himself.
eddie123e 7 months ago
@eddie123e " killing 10 times more than died in Dresden!" Actually after researching your reference (wikipedia) ,which isn't a very good reference since it can be edited, the figures of total polish dead was between 60,000 and 63,000 not 200,000. You can see for yourself if you read the notes at the bottom of that page. So "killing 10 times" is not accurate.
smilinjack30 7 months ago
@smilinjack30 It is revealing that your prefer the lower figure. Some sources are indeed debatable. What is beyond debate is that the fashion for city bombing in WW2 started when the heroes of the Luftwaffe destroyed Warsaw in Sept 1939. Germans, conscious of what the Russians had suffered at their hands (Einsatazgruppen usw) were fleeing all along the eastern front, not just in Dresden. When you walk among the death pits before they are tidied up for tourists it changes your perspective.
eddie123e 7 months ago
@eddie123e You should be aware that I also mourn the dead in Dresden as I mourn the all of the dead in WW2, soldiers and civilians. I don't regard the bombing of Dresden as any greater a crime than the bombing of any other city and to portray it as such is to continue the fairy tale started by Dr Goebbels. I was a close friend of Lothar Goebbels, Dr Js nephew, when he was a law student at Bonn in 1951/2. He committed suicide in 1953 because no German would employ him because of his name.
eddie123e 7 months ago
@eddie123e.."It is revealing that your prefer the lower figure" Really? What does it reveal? That I prefer facts as opposed to your propaganda? The number I stated came from you reference, wikipedia. Maybe you should actually read the whole page before you use it as a reference. Your inflation of the number is whats revealing and shows that you are not only too lazy to really research your opinions, but that you have an agenda and propaganda is your device. You dishonor the dead with your lies.
smilinjack30 7 months ago
@smilinjack30 it is invariably the case that when a poster of limited intelligence has no valid responses to those who oppose his views, he resorts to personal insults. Even if the lower number your prefer was accurate,it still means that the heroes of the Luftwaffe with their 'friendly bombing' killed in Warsaw more than double the number killed by the Allies in Dresden with their 'terror bombing' It is also indisputable that this was the first city bombing of WW2 ie Sept 1939.
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smilinjack30 7 months ago
@eddie123e @eddie123e Oh come now Eddie don't be a child. The only thing that was disputed about your post was the numbers, which again, I used YOUR reference to find the correct ones. You shouldn't get all bent out of shape when someone fact checks your reference and finds a discrepency in your post. Insinuating that I have alterior motives or that I have limited intelligence simply because I looked where you told me to look and the info didn't match what you stated is a weak and inept attemp..
smilinjack30 7 months ago
@smilinjack30 I conceded that the numbers are debatable. The numbers you quote are no more likely to be accurate. My point is that he bombing of Dresden was horrendous but no more horrendous than the destruction of many other beautiful cities. Bomber Harris said, "You sow the wind - you reap the whirlwind." When the gallant heroes of the Luftwaffe destroyed Warsaw, they sowed the wind and Dresden, London, Coventry, Stalingrad, Buchenwld, Sobibor, Belzec, Mittelbau-Dora reaped the whirlwind.
eddie123e 7 months ago
@eddie123e War is full of atrocities on both sides. Would you expect it to be any other way? I find that trying to only highlight one sides misbehavior while excusing the other sides is useless and only leads to more division amognst people. Instead of arguing about who was the the biggest human rights violater in a war, I prefer to get to the why the war happend in the first place. If someone brings about war they shouldn't complain about the atrocities encountered within. War is an age old....
smilinjack30 7 months ago
@eddie123e .result of mans imperfections and sin. For example, If I were to pick a side in a land dispute between two neighbors and then provide money,legal aid which ended up helping my side win, I should expect that the other neighbor wouldn't like me and therefore would consider me his enemy justifiably so. WWI and WWII both happend for very easy to find reasons once you spend some time researching them. I think more should be taught as to the causes of these wars since we all know the effect
smilinjack30 7 months ago
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smilinjack30 7 months ago
@eddie123e .at trying to avoid accountability for providing false statistics. Stating that I use personal insults because I cant give a valid response to your views is ridiculoius since you don't know if I DO oppose your views. I haven't stated my opinion on Dresden or Warsaw, neither have disputed what you said about Warsaw being the first city bombed. Again, I simply looked up your statistics and found you to be wrong. Your attitude is pretty revealing as to your motive for giving false stats.
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danbit5 7 months ago
If I was visiting Germany I would be more than happy to go to Dresden and lay a wreath for those who died. Would TheMrPangloss, Elberiver11 etc do the same for those who died in London, Coventry etc? Of course they wouldn't, as they are racist nazi filth with no compassion for anyone but themselves. They wouldn't even care about the 3 million germans who died fighting against the nazis from 1933 - 45.
All nazi apologists are nothing but miserable, cowardly, racist filth; OR clinically insane.
maureenOWW 8 months ago
Now, I could go on all night with this but I think you get the idea. Germany in WW2 was the most despicable, murderous, and evil regime to have ever existed since the time of Genghis Khan. If you DON'T think that, then I'm sorry but you're a deluded nazi fuckwit (or have been brainwashed by childish propaganda from deluded nazi fuckwits). Saying that bombing Dresden means that the western allies and Nazi Germany as 'equally bad' is truly pathetic and disgusting to the memories of those who died.
maureenOWW 8 months ago
Still more? Of course there is: Germany used millions of slaves to do the worst jobs imaginable, hundreds of thousands were worked to death. UK did nothing like this. Germany used slave labour to build it's V-weapons, whose only aim was to kill enemy civilians. UK did not. Germany promoted and armed fascist nationalist movements around the world, resulting in wars in which countless thousands died. UK did not. Germany burnt captured enemy towns and cities as it fled back home, in pure revenge.
maureenOWW 8 months ago 2
Lets continue...Germany imposed terror across it's empire, killing anyone who opposed them. UK did not. Germany instituted murderous racial policies in all it's invaded lands. UK did not. Germany aided japanese warcrimes and cooperated with them in chemical and biological weapons, and medical experiments.See Unit 731. UK used no such weapons. Germany attacked civilian passenger ships. UK did not. UK forced members of its new empire to fight for them via conscription. UK did not.
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@maureenOWW Correction: 'UK forced members of its new empire to fight for them via conscription. UK did not. '
obviously, I meant 'Germany forced members of its new empire to fight for them via conscription. UK did not.'
maureenOWW 8 months ago 2
Some differences between UK and german conduct in WW2: Germany killed 10,000,000+ civilians in extermination camps. UK killed none. Germany captured thousands of towns and shot/hung/burned all the inhabitants. UK did not. Germany killed over a million captured prisoners of war. UK did not. Germany invaded a dozen nations. UK liberated them. Germany carried out horrific medical experiments on thousands including children. UK did not. Germany routinely tortured and executed civilians. UK did not.
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FUCK the Racist Apartheid State of Isra-HELL & FUCK the SIN-a-GOG of SATAN!
REMEMBER the ZIONIST BOMBINGS of the U.S.S. Liberty & the MURDER of Christ, the INSULTS towards Mary & WAKE UP!
truth801 9 months ago
Hey jacklondon21. I don't know what revisionist history you've been reading, but it was the Nazi's that started World War II. I might also like to remind you that Goebbels, pushed for "Total War", in 1944. It was a tragedy that innocents died in the bombing of Dresden, but the same can be said for those who died by German hands in the Cities of Warsaw, Rotterdam. War is unjust and hurts everybody.
republicanbasher 9 months ago
Here are perhaps a few names they should all remember, before they start calling the allies war criminals and the murderers of women and children:
Warsaw
Lidice
Rotterdam
Stalingrad
Oradour-sur-Glane
Kiev
and perhaps countless other Russian villages that where wiped off the map by German troops, their inhabitants shot and murdered or simply bombed as they did at Stalingrad before the entered the city. These are but a few examples of German brutality, the Germans themselves choose to ignore.
js1714 10 months ago
@js1714 could u tell me what sparked this bombing?
gumdokim 9 months ago
Elberiver11 - to be honest I was just trying to respond in a reasonable fashion but you are going off the rails. This level of hate doesn't help me, you or anyone. I'm just going to say that every aspect of that war was regrettable and wish you and the people of Germany well. From everyone here in England. Peace.
itsinmynamechap 10 months ago
That said, as a Brit, this must be considered a regrettable incident. Along with the war in general.
itsinmynamechap 11 months ago
@itsinmynamechap Please. The thing is, why was the A-Bomb dropped ?? To shorten the war by demoralisation. Well, us Brits didn't have that technology so we had to use what was available. The purpose, to show Germany that Berlin was next or else !!!!!!!!!
MrCagivaman 11 months ago
@MrCagivaman another British Nazi trying to belittle Allied warcrimes. Hiroshima was a Holocaust, you moron. Go find better excuses for your atrocities.
Elberiver11 10 months ago
@Elberiver11 Who gives a fuck. At least it was dropped on Japan. I''m fucking glad we flattened Dresden. We should have done the same over the whole of Europe, then we wouldn''t have the the shit E.U. telling us what to do.
Who gives a shit about Hiroshima anyway, apart from you, fuck face !!!!!!!
MrCagivaman 10 months ago
@MrCagivaman smells like your a troll -> nobody will take you serious
this means your sexuality status changed from troll-gay to supreme gay.
Gz, youre the first person that managed that high gayness level
Tintelol 10 months ago
@Tintelol So, you're a Homophobe. Hmmm, bet you're really proud of that. Bet you're at home now throwing one out eh???? Greasy, little , fat, four-eyed pussy. Think that about covers it.
By the way if you're going to to post, LEARN TO SPELL I've managed the word you couldn't manage once, 4 times and I cracked it fuck-face.
MrCagivaman 9 months ago
@MrCagivaman
ololololol its teh internet no1 cäres abaut spelling!
Tintelol 9 months ago
@Tintelol No wonder no-one can understand you then Dickhead.
MrCagivaman 9 months ago
@MrCagivaman so i heard writing without insulting ppl is very hard.
Tintelol 9 months ago
Well in one way or another it was a strategic bombing. So you could ask, what difference does it make if it is a town that builds military hardware or if there was another reason for bombing Dresden. Innocent people would have died either way which is why war is a bad thing for us all. Bare in mind that German forces bombed British city's like Canterbury and Bath purely to destroy British cultural heritage. The Germans started a war in which millions of innocent people died.
itsinmynamechap 11 months ago
@itsinmynamechap LOL another British liar. The Germans did not start bombing historic cities. They bombed Covevntry (centre of British military ) and the London Docks. The British however started bombing hospitals, children and women, and only after the wicked British RAF would not stop their warcrimes, they Germans payed them back with the same coin. When you start wars, dont complain about being bombed back, you moron.
Elberiver11 10 months ago
Bath and Canterbury are almost untouched cities, you moron, compared to what you bastards did to Hiroshima,. Hamburg, Nagasaki and Dresden, you Allied child-abusing pigs. Your criminal Allied leaders Roosevelt and Churchill should have been tried and hanged for genocide. But in your pathetic country, childkillers and massmurderers are not brought to justice, but put on monuments. Be ashamed of your country and of your pathetic self. How disgusting to be American and British.
Elberiver11 10 months ago
@Elberiver11 america was the last country to enter the war. when you conducting the blitz against london america didn't enter the war. that was between you and the brits.. no problem with that. but pearl harbor occurred and 4 days later Hitler declared war on the US. BIG MISTAKE......
mizzoulibertarian 8 months ago
The Allied bombers went to great lengths with heightened risk to avoid historic and religious sites. Good example, the catherdral in Köln. By February 1945, some concentration and extermination camps had been liberated showing the world the kind of leaders the German Volk elected. At this time also, V-2 missiles were being launched on civilian London, killing thousands. At this point, the Allied High Command said enough was enough. Give them a taste of their own medicine.
rbulova1 11 months ago 2
GODDAMNED COMMIE SCUM.
ecnalubma696969 11 months ago
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jacklondon21 11 months ago
@jacklondon21 you Allied pigs killed millions of innocents, and remember it was you who started war on Germany - not the other way round. Calling a HOLOCAUST like Dresden a tiny "black mark", is a bit rich. You swine attacked an undefended hospitasl city, overcrowded with 500 000 refugees, mainly children and women. Your English pig Churchill waited until enough children were in the city, then he would hit.
You call whirling screaming children into a 3-miles high Firestorm "a black mark" ?
Elberiver11 10 months ago
@jacklondon21 this was not a black mark, this was a holocaust, you dirty British criminals. The Germans have thousands of monuments to honour the Jews, so why dont you British criminals have at least a tine monument to honour and commemorate the millions of innocent children and mothers you swine killed in the war? You British people are disgusting and indedent race. You should learn how to honour the dead, especially when its millions of children and women, deliberately murdered by you.
Elberiver11 10 months ago
@Elberiver11 1- i am turkish and " jack london " is a famous american author. 2 - yes, dresden was a holocaust. shame of humanity. i agree with you about monuments...etc. 3 - you are a disgusting fucking racist, you are not better than those who did dresden bombing.
jacklondon21 10 months ago
@Elberiver11 and i didn't mean what you understood with "black mark" it was chicken translate, i meant it is a shame .
jacklondon21 10 months ago
@Elberiver11 'commemorate the millions of innocent children and mothers you swine killed in the war?'; and 'You should learn how to honour the dead, especially when its millions of children and women, deliberately murdered by you.'. Now, PLEASE SHOW US the millions of dead women and children deliberately murdered by the UK in WW2. You stated it, so it must be true, right? I don't want figures about the USSR or US, I want figures listing the 'MILLIONS deliberately killed; by the UK in WW2. Hmm?
maureenOWW 8 months ago
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0:53 good to see that the Jewish Community of Dresden (read Viktor Klemperer's diary) also commemorates the German victims of warfare. A hopeful sign.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
Nazi human experimentation was a series of medical experiments on large numbers of prisoners by the Nazi German regime in its concentration camps mainly in the early 1940s, during World War II and the Holocaust. Prisoners, mostly Jews, were coerced into participating: they did not willingly volunteer and there was never informedconducted similar medical experiments at Mauthausen.
1722tasmania 1 year ago
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nazi people should be thankful their ass wasn't wiped out by nuck, like hirosima.
we should have at least 4 of berlin, munich,frankfurt, hanover yahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
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1722tasmania 1 year ago
God save our gracious Queen,
Long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen:
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us;
God save the Queen.
1722tasmania 1 year ago
@1722tasmania
Based on a melody by German composer George Frideric Handel.
VatiVulk 11 months ago
barbecue party !!!
1722tasmania 1 year ago
it wasnt a holocaust. hitler bombed dresden. it was a german barbecue party!!!
german dederved more bombs. japan could bombed them more, send toyota & nissan
to kill all german, then they will next year when japan has budget surplus.
1722tasmania 1 year ago
@1722tasmania what the fuck is wrong with you?
Draious 1 year ago
@1722tasmania
The city of Dresden and the rest of Germany reminds like the story of phoenix.
VatiVulk 11 months ago
@1722tasmania
The city of Dresden and the rest of Germany reminds on the story of phoenix.
VatiVulk 11 months ago
Why the fuck is there a Jew laying a wreath for commemoration. He's laying a wreath for celebration.
Uberangler79 1 year ago
"It looked a lot like Dayton, Ohio, more open spaces than Dayton has. There must be tons of human bone meal in the ground" ~Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five or The Children's Crusade
Focke --------> Wolf
zlinn71 1 year ago
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Die linken / "Antifas" sind null fähig selber zu denken. Wer den Spruch teilt "Deutschland verrecke" (also unser aller Heimat) der soll denen weiter hinterherlaufen. Es sind aber hunderte täglich die aufwachen und dieses Spiel durchschauen. Und wer es noch nicht kapiert hat, die sogenannten Antifaschisten sind die heutigen Faschisten - und werden vom Staate/Kapital gesteuert. Zu dumm es selber zu bemerken.
Leute wacht auf, unsere Heimat ist es wert für Sie einzustehen und zu kämpfen.
Pzfst 1 year ago
iDresden holds an anniverary of the bombing every year. London was bombed day and night for months of end and, in common with all other heavily bombed UK cities, holds no such celebration. Warsaw which suffered 10 times the number of deaths as Dresden also holds no such 'celecbrations.' V2 rockets were still falling on London when Dresden was bombed and 20,000 innocent people were hung, shot, beaten, starved or worked to death in Mittelbau-Dora making the rockets. Who celebrates their murder?
eddie123e 1 year ago
@eddie123e You don't understand. There are no celebrations in Berlin where 40 000 died by bombings. Because of the circumstances of the the bombings Dresden is famous and it is regarded as a war crime by many, also Brits. Warsaw was a war crime of course, and there are celebrations. There are also many celebrations to remember the Nazi victims.
All victims of the war, of war crimes and of crimes against humanity should be commemorated.
Above all, blind hate like yours must be finally stopped.
Trottellumme123 1 year ago
@eddie123e I found out that there are celebrations to remember the bombings of Coventry.
Stop your hate, Eddie.
Trottellumme123 1 year ago
25,000 dead???? Thats the BIGGEST BULLSHIT I have ever read! So many buildings were destroyed and everyone was home that night sleeping not knowing the ally slaughter of the innocent was only moments away! Look at the PICS! The entire city destroyed! Your going to say only 25,000??? Try 125,000! At least one hundred and twenty five thousand innocent people lost their lives! Winston Churchill is rotting in hell! F*CK YOU WINSTON CHURCHILL!
Nikateer 1 year ago
@Nikateer The figure of 25,000 dead is the figure given by Dresden City Council, not by the RAF or the USAAF. Only the city centre was destroyed not the entire city. But it was only a response to the German bombing of British cities like London, Manchester, Liverpool, Coventry etc.
npe1 1 year ago
I think at each Anniversary the RAF should bomb Dresden again with Bomber-Harris Statues and Queen Moms. This would help both sides.
HigherToBeBayer 1 year ago
@HigherToBeBayer
That's just ... sick. :-/
That's not even as a joke funny.
XxBlackWatchxX 1 year ago
The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki according to senior Japanese academics, saved some 20 million Japanese lives - this is the number of civilians they calculate that would have been killed or committed suicide in an invasion. The probable number of Allied deaths in an invasion was 2 million. More POWs and slave labourers died EVERY MONTH in Japanese hands than were killed in total in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But don't let the truth spoil your debate!
eddie123e 1 year ago
The Allied air crews who dropped bombs of Dresden took off from a country which was being indiscrimately attacked by V2 rockets each with a 1000 kg high explosive warheads against which there was no defence. No country can conduct a full scale war without the men and materials and the physical and moral support of it citizens. The Dresdeners enthusiasticaly screamed Sieg Heil ( Hail to Victory) and raised their hands when the Fuehrer visited them - as long as the war was going in their favour.
eddie123e 1 year ago
Masonic satanic judaism motivated killing of Germans. This is the same as the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, both cities that had no military significance, but both were significant Roman Catholic centers. May Jews and their gentile dupes and helpers, the Freemasons, burn in the internal fires of hell. Amen.
FishEaster 1 year ago
The Western Allies never bombed Dresden; Dresden's destruction was caused by a big, out-of-control fire that occurred when the authorities there couldn't bury all the dead from both retreating German forces and a local typhus epidemic and when they tried to burn all the bodies, the city caught fire and was destroyed.
The "myth" of Dresden was started by The Soviet Union after the war in order to frighten their own people into accepting the new, post-war alignment of "The Cold War."
SatchmoSings 1 year ago
Good old Harris
alandec1 1 year ago
Oy how I miss Dresden. What a beautiful city.
AdamAus85 1 year ago
at the time of this raid the only possible military target was the largest railway station in germany, this was totally undamaged, say no more
sambo2566 1 year ago
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you should have an aswer to some of these following questions:
1. Why are European nations, particularily Britain, being flooded with immigrants?
2. Who really runs my country?
3. Why is my heritage being destroyed, and why am I being called 'racist' for opposing this?
dutchfreedoms 1 year ago 3
Winston Churchill sucks cocks in HELL
geometry4 1 year ago 2
Winston Churchill sucks cocks in HELL
geometry4 1 year ago
bomber Harris did right if they was civilians or not they would of still been producing bombs planes and such to attack England the Nazis did the exact same thing to us terror bombing designed to brake the peoples spirit.it just proved how evil Hitler was when he started exterminating the Jews. he had to be stopped no matter what including his followers. if the war would of lasted a few more months i guarantee America would of dropped the atom bomb on Berlin.
paul417791 1 year ago
it should still be burning for what the germans did to london , they dont like it when they get it back eyy. well done RAF well done USAAF.
flighboyil2 1 year ago
@flighboyil2
this is really not intelligent.
there is no: the germans.
while setting all 82,000 mio germans at the same step (or however you say this) you really insult all the "normal" people, als the leftwings, all the antifascist.
there was one thing, old communists knew: the border is not a border between peoples, it is between rich and poor, between social-progressive and antisocial-regressive,
i m german. and i can t stand nations at all, because they separate us, make us enemys
lordbrainless1 1 year ago
@lordbrainless1 Good Comment. The SS were supposed to be fighting for their 'country' What is ones country? Is it the dirt we walk on? is it the temporary government of the day? or is the Leitkultur? It is right to fight to defend ones family and friends or even ones 'country' it is quite wrong to fight for more 'lebensraum' Harris's actions were a horrendous, possibly even unnecessary act of war - but not a war crime. The holocaust was a war crime.
eddie123e 1 year ago
new counterstrike game xD
meinblocklol 1 year ago
and people like you call nazis bad...
they didnt commit war crimes like described in history books you fucking jew. people like you deserve death.
did you know that there were pictures used as an evidences about holocaust and those pictures were shot in dresden after allyed bombings? they said that those pictures were made in dachau concentration camp. like many holocaust fotos were shot in russian gulags and later they changed them. winners write the history.
white14estonia 1 year ago
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white14estonia 1 year ago
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Data from the International Red Cross: Towns 600 000 population, 275 000 were killed, 100 000 of them were children. There was 1300 allied airplanes bombing and from the cities 28 000 building 25 000 were destroyed.
But that was not the end of bombing; 2nd march 406 American bombers B-17 bombed the ruins of Dresden and the fighters who escorted them fired civilians, who tried to escape from the town and firefighters.
Today German "officials" said that there were 25 000 people died on the bombin
white14estonia 1 year ago
Data from the International Red Cross: Towns 600 000 population, 275 000 were killed, 100 000 of them were children. There was 1300 allied airplanes bombing and from the cities 28 000 building 25 000 were destroyed.
But that was not the end of bombing; 2nd march 406 American bombers B-17 bombed the ruins of Dresden and the fighters who escorted them fired civilians, who tried to escape from the town and firefighters.
Today German "officials" said that there were 25 000 people died on the bombin
white14estonia 1 year ago
@white14estonia: The allied bombers did a very good job like you've already said. I also think that more nazis were blown off in Dresden. But who cares about numbers? The important thing is that Nazi-Germany didn't get away with the atrocities committed by the nazis.
Deeforcer 1 year ago
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@white14estonia and people like you call nazis bad...
they didnt commit war crimes like described in history books you fucking jew. people like you deserve death.
did you know that there were pictures used as an evidences about holocaust and those pictures were shot in dresden after allyed bombings? they said that those pictures were made in dachau concentration camp. like many holocaust fotos were shot in russian gulags and later they changed them. winners write the history.
white14estonia 1 year ago
Start with the dual passport Chief of Staff and his closest adviser/speechwriter, and go from there. For a complete list submit a press inquiry and self-addressed stamped envelope to:
ZOG Office of Personnel Management
Occupied East Bank of The Potomac
666 Illuminati Circle
Washingstein, DC 2012
MotorsportLegends 1 year ago
Qué raro, la izquierda defendiendo un genocidio yankee-inglés!
ArgentinaVencera 1 year ago
it's time to overthrow every zionist puppet regimes all over the world shall we start in GERMAN first??
IndoAtheist 1 year ago
Ich kenne viele ehemalige RAF-Piloten, die der Meinung sind, für die falsche Seite gekämpft zu haben.
Ahnentreue 1 year ago
@Ahnentreue: Ich kenne keinen einzigen und ich weiß, dass sie glorreiche Geschichten zu erzählen hatten und haben. Wie war das damals eigentlich, als sie die Stadt Dresden sahen und wussten: Jetzt ist der Nazi dran? Ich würde dabei eine geistige Erektion spüren.
Deeforcer 1 year ago
Du geistiger Tiefflieger bekommst also eine Erektion, wenn andere Menschen verbrennen. Du gehörst schleunigst in die Klapse, linker Hurensohn. Du bist Menschenmüll, nicht lebenswert und gehörst entsorgt. Was bin ich froh über den rechtsrutsch in Europa, dann endlich werden Knalltüten wie du an die Wand gestellt.
Ahnentreue 1 year ago
@Ahnentreue: Du vergisst da wohl die Vereinichten Staaten von Amerika! Du und Deine ganze miese kleine Bande, ihr seid nichts weiter als Terroristen, die sich Neo-Nazis nennen. Gegen einen Stealth-Bomber habt ihr eh keine Chance, deshalb glaube ich auch nicht, dass ihr die Oberhand gewinnen werdet und wenn doch, na Du weisst genau, was dann passiert!
Deeforcer 1 year ago
Amerika, das ich nicht lache. Dort haben bald die Neger das sagen, und wo die Neger regieren siehst du an Afrika, jüngstes Beispiel Südafrika. Die USA werden in 20 Jahren keine Macht mehr sein, ähnlich wie Brasilien heute.
Ahnentreue 1 year ago
@Deeforcer
ich bin normalerweise sehr durchdacht und menschenfreundlich. aber an dieser stellen kann ich mir den dummen spruch nicht verkneifen: Oh bomber harris, do it again!
lordbrainless1 1 year ago
American and German politicians are almost univerally Zionist puppets. Pitiful state of affairs. Good to see people are defying thought crime laws and demonstrating for truth (not the communist counter-protesters who stoop to violence in order to disrupt)
MotorsportLegends 1 year ago 4
It was a Holocaust Einstein, look up the meaning
jamesbr1961 1 year ago
@jamesbr1961
A holocaust is a religious animal sacrifice that is completely consumed by fire.
jamesbr1961 1 year ago
Stay strong Aryan Germany!
testomatic12345 1 year ago
How come journalists are always embedded with the leftists? Perhaps because they are Marxist scum themselves?
BNPCrusade 1 year ago
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"How come journalists are always embedded with the leftists? Perhaps because they are Marxist scum themselves?"
I don't know or care what county you're from but in America Journalists are embedded with groups like the Army and Marines.... I've never heard of a marxist radical left wing Army platoon! Have you?
Andrewrb010 1 year ago
135,000 AT LEAST were killed, NOT 25,000!! There is physical evidence for this!
How disgusting to denigrate the memory of those who died by trivializing the atrocity.
AryanScot 1 year ago 2
Thats wrong.
TomTomsen1987 1 year ago
I know. It is vile the way they twist historical facts to legitimize their own sick anti-Aryan/anti-German hatred.
But this is what is happening. Communists can walk down the street with the red flag (including the gold hammer & sickle) whereas National Socialists are beaten and thrown in jail if they bring out the Swastika flags.
Awful hypocracy.
AryanScot 1 year ago 10
You sick cunt.. fuckin dirty protestant bastard.. youl get your dues alright you fucker.. up the ra
olearyac 1 year ago
What planet are you on you?
What has protestantism got to do with anything here?!
I think you are on the wrong thread.
Hitler was Roman Catholic y'know.
AryanScot 1 year ago
i know that you don't know history, hitler was not Catholic. Ithink is good time for you to learn history,
pyrrson85 1 year ago
@ pyrrson85 Are you kidding?! It is VERY well documented that Hitler was Roman Catholic!
Most of the other high ranking National Socialists were Lutheran Protestant.
Heinrich Himmler was Pagan, but had Hindu leanings too.
I have studied German NS in GREAT depth.
Even in MK Hitler reveals his Roman Catholicism.
AryanScot 1 year ago
Ha ha you bigots are all the same, and im not wrong am i? you are a dirty protestant bastard! What im getting at is the afinnity those orange sash wearing scumbags have with the nazis, also scumbags, is born out of a warped sense of 'superiority' over their subjects! And by the way in nationalist communities in Belfast during the war the people used to be out in the street cheering the bombers on as they bombed the city.. how fucked up is that? You are a cunt sir.
olearyac 1 year ago
agree totally
testomatic12345 1 year ago
@AryanScot the hipocracy is so evident it makes one sick. Free societies do not restrict speech.
MotorsportLegends 1 year ago
By Free Speech you mean Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and Racism?
Lammy2k 1 year ago
Anti-Semitism, like anti-Americanism which as an American I have to deal with as part of my country's Zionist-led government, is a self-fulfilling issue. Nothing occurs in a vacuum, there is always a cause and a effect. Come to grips with that and discard the philosophy of victimization layered upon lies.
MotorsportLegends 1 year ago
@Lammy2k
Bleat like a sheep, Lammy. Your comment shows you are well trained to stay away from critical thought.
tcnyc243 1 year ago
fuck the marksist scum!
flamevic 1 year ago
That's right ass hole. Its called Freedom.
stevenj13196 1 year ago
@AryanScot stalinists and nazis should all go to jail and think about their stupid ideologies.
the number of nazis being caught by the police here in germany is much lower than you may think. nearly everday you can here of an attck against migrations or alternative people beaten up by nazis. but almost everytime the plice says that they dont think it was a political act and the search after the nazis is not very enthusiastic.
6ch6ris6 1 year ago
@AryanScot you spelt hypocrisy wrong, so much for the master race... also i think that if you did some digging, you'd probably find you're not so "pure-blood". The notion of pure blood is utter codswallop as well due to the fact a varied genetic make-up helps Disease-resistance, intelligence, lifespan etc. but then again if you believe you are better than someone due to minute genetic differences you probably wouldn't understand/ care about facts.
ithotofthisfirst 1 year ago
@ithotofthisfirst I wouldn't usually merit such a simple-minded comment with a response but since you are located within the same borders as myself, i shall oblige you.
Races exist. There is no denying this. Forensic pathologists can identify the race of a person just from a skull. Negroids can be identified just from a tooth. Mixing races degenerates the highest race. The Aryan race has created every great civilization and invented just about every great device.
AryanScot 1 year ago
@AryanScot I totally agree with you, have have used this as an argument many many times when left wing supporters dont understand that "Winners write history". Simply put, the Allies during WW2 were worse than Hitler, the soviets alone killed more than 20 million people.
Draious 1 year ago
@Draious sorry did you just say the allies were "just as worse" as Hitler.... .....Hitler started it......we finished it......childish but true. Dresden got a taste of what Britain had suffered before and after Dresden. so tell me what britain did that was worse than Hitler. We saved Europe
TrueBritishStyle 1 year ago
@TrueBritishStyle "Dresden got a taste of what Britan had suffered before.." WHAT?! It was the British who happily used incendiary bombs in berlin, killing more than 900.000 civil people in Germany while Britain suffered around 50.000 dead. Don't come here playing sacred with your "saved europe from evil" bullshit.
Draious 1 year ago
@TrueBritishStyle "Dresden got a taste of what Britan had suffered before.." WHAT?! It was the British who happily used incendiary bombs in berlin, killing more than 900.000 civil people in Germany while Britain suffered around 50.000 dead. Don't come here playing sacred with your "saved europe from evil" bullshit.
Draious 1 year ago
@Draious oh fuck you.....so germany didnt use incendiary bombs did they??? go back to your history books and see who started it. jesus. are you that full of shit you think Britain just bombed germany for fun.. grow up....and check your numbers of dead while you are at it........its what happens when you follow a madman to the edge .......
TrueBritishStyle 1 year ago
@TrueBritishStyle My dead numbers are correct so you need to go back to the books.
And yeah they bombed German cities to show the Russians what they were capable of, so they didn't care about the German lives. You think that the allied during world war two were the knights who was saving the world from "evil", but the truth is that the Soviet was the true enemy to Europe, just look at the aftermath of the war, Cold war, Korean war, Gulf War and now the war in Afghanistan.
Draious 1 year ago
@Draious im British , not Russian, so if you are looking for us Brits to apologise for dresden, you will be waiting a very very long time. My whole point was you said we were as bad as Hitler, so im going to take you to task on that. Germany tried to bomb London into submission, it didnt work, GERMANY BOMBED US FIRST. Germans followed a madman,willingly. So if the Brits were so bad how come Germans ran to surrender to our troops instead of the Russians?
TrueBritishStyle 1 year ago
@TrueBritishStyle Do you have blinkers on? I said that the RUSSIANS where worse than Germany during the war! Sure the Germans started it (kind of), but when taking all the civil lives lost to both the Russians, British and Americans it is way more than the Germans killed during the war. You always hear about how bad the Germans were, but not the Russians who killed even more than Germany. Also look at Mao, he killed something like 40 million innocent people. Now what is worse, them or Germany?
Draious 1 year ago
@Draious Germany kinda started the war??????....now who has the blinkers on, AUSTRIA, POLAND, HOLLAND etc etc etc.....at what point was Germany provoked?.....you said the allies where as bad as hitler....not just russia....otherwise i would have agreed with you. i dont give a shit what russia did, they were just as bad as the nazis agreed....but you said Allies....meaning us Brits aswell......and im saying BOLLOCKS!!!!!!
TrueBritishStyle 1 year ago
@TrueBritishStyle Haha this again just goes to show how little you know about the history pre AND post war. If you knew anything about World War 1, you would know that the treaty of versailles made Germany totally responsible for the war, making them loose a lot of territory and having to pay enormous amounts of money to the other countries, thus making the country go into a state of depression. (Continuing in another post)
Draious 1 year ago
@TrueBritishStyle .. And when a man then came along, a man who restored Germany's pride and honor by giving jobs to everyone and making the country into a prosperous country again, the Germans felt a need for revenge thus starting world war 2. And don't tell me that 900.000 innocent people bombed isn't a bad thing, England..
Draious 1 year ago
@Draious and at the same time was behind the murder of millions of men, women and children while he was giving "a country " its pride back.........dont tell me....there was NO holocaust right?......poor Germany was misunderstood and the allies should have let them take over europe (including Britain). you should have learned your lesson and surrendered after the battle of Britain, you didnt, . end of story, so i suppose Germany would not have invaded Britain would they......
TrueBritishStyle 1 year ago
@TrueBritishStyle Yeah they killed a lot of jews because Hitler, and a lot of people at the time, thought jews where the reason why Germany lost WW1 and ended up in a crisis. Hitler never wanted a war with England or France, instead Hitler wanted to regain the lost territory lost during WW1, plus the whole of old Prussia (which is like todays poland). Just for a note, Germany didn't lose Battle of Britain, sure they took casualties but they where the attackers after all. Continuing -->
Draious 1 year ago
@TrueBritishStyle .. They stopped their plans to invade Britain because operation Barbarossa was about to start, and they needed all available men, machine and aircraft to invade Russia. Also, yes if hitler had let Russia alone, Britain would have fallen into German hands, you guys had no fighting equipment like the Germans had, nor the manpower to support a war like that. You're lucky that Hitler started a two front war.
Draious 1 year ago
@Draious a lot of people thought Jews were responsible???.....so thats a reason to exterminate millions because you lost the first world war?, that sound like a nation of bitter and twisted cunts. We were outnumbered 4-1 in the battle of Britain (dont tell me , have i made those numbers up to?). and you invaded , Austria, Poland and we never did a thing until you thought all Europe was yours, so dont talk about lost territories, was Holland and Norway also part of what you lost?
TrueBritishStyle 1 year ago
@TrueBritishStyle Haha just by saying that "a nation of bitter and twisted cunts" shows how immature you are, and also ignorant. And yea, you are wrong on the ratio numbers, because you had 1,963 serviceable aircraft and Germany had 2,550 serviceable aircraft, whom many of were bombers. I like how you say "you" to me, like I'm German or something xD Oh my god, you just know nothing about the votes post 1939.. I'm done talking to you unless you get some real history lessons. You know nothing.
Draious 1 year ago
@Draious i know nothing. i know your danish dickhead.......lol...(jews deserved to die and it wasnt Germanys fault...now thats mature isnt it)..GERMANY WERE DEFEATED ....END OF STORY....defeated ....so your done talking to me.....lol.......and what history have you taught me??....a lot of bitter right wing bollocks ...snuggle up to your copy of mein kampf .
TrueBritishStyle 1 year ago
@Draious but at least you admit the holocaust happened ( well, it was the Jews fault) but at least you admit it. and what about the invasions of Holland and Norway etc etc. you seem to twist things to suit your right wing view, this started over you calling the allies "worse than Hitler".You had no answer so you brought up WW1 and excuses for the holocaust. I could nt give a shit if your Danish or German, or if you have a History degree , throw what ever numbers you like.
TrueBritishStyle 1 year ago
@Draious at the end of the day, the Nazis were a bunch of murdering , evil bastards who most of the world (apart from the right of Denmark obvoiusly) were glad to see the back of. So come with numbers of planes and the number of dead in Dresden, or how badly Germany was treated at the end of WW1....no one cares except Right wing wankers and bitter Nu-Nazis. Germany got off lightly at the end of the war.
TrueBritishStyle 1 year ago
@Draious At the start of the war, Germany had 4,000 aircraft compared to Britain's front-line strength of 1,660. . At the start of the battle, the Luftwaffe had 2,500 planes that were serviceable and in any normal day, the Luftwaffe could put up over 1,600 planes. The RAF had 1,200 planes on the eve of the battle which included 800 Spitfires and Hurricanes - but only 660 of these were serviceable... see i can copy and paste any historic bullshit too.
TrueBritishStyle 1 year ago
@TrueBritishStyle I love you man, I really love you, in the way you discuss xD Now you've turned ignorant and started saying that I said the holocaust was ok, and how I'm trying to protect Germany by saying its ok that they invaded Holland, france and Scandinavia.
You fail so much, you fail to come up with good arguments and instead turn to mud-throwing.
What I've been trying to tell you, and you clearly don't get, is that the Allies where worse (combined), than Germany. Now please, go outside.
Draious 1 year ago