SCEPA (Self-Contained Energy-Producing Apparatus)

[bayyagg]

The contraption is too many and complicated....

I just use a scrapyard automotive alternator, 12V battery, and made in China inverter( 12V~220V ).

Powered by a scrap 2 stroke engine/ water pressure from stream, and windmill.

The simpliest form!

[CrudeDude]

What an unbelieveable load of pure bullshit.

[crazy77iii]

okay, well here is my input... And question... Considering a Full load on that "Red?) 1800watt generator, how do you reduce the Back EMF on the generator enough to counter balance the loss of Torque when increasing the diamter of the pulley to Increase the Rpm's? if you don't ave any type of Power Recovey Circuit and you put a full load on that 1800watt Generator with that little tiny motor (3/4hp Max!?) it will slow down generator down so much that the Tiny motor will lack torque to turn Gen...

[MucusFelidae]

I donate you a donut.

Will be sent via surface mail and may arrive in about 6 weeks.

[diyeverything]

It looks like you have invented a mechanical inverter.

Is it more efficient than a normal inverter?

[fuzzynostic]

he cant aford a 100w solar panel, wow your poor

[rickm09]

at least he aint on the pipe and is trying to do something good thumbs up to ya kep trying its the layman that gets it done !!!!

[michaelollieclayton]

@rickm09 thanks for those words of encouragement, i can tell you're cool people

[awomansworld123]

The old saying holds true, "what we think of today was thought of yesterday by some one else." This idea is not new as a matter of fact I've heard of this type of system before and have seen a few that look rather similar. You better believe if we have thought of it so has someone else. I like the idea and it looks rather innovative in its ground floor stage and I wish you the best. LOL, you shouldnt worry about your life being in jeopardy over this because you are definitely safe. Nice video

[michaelollieclayton]

@awomansworld123 Ya' know, this was an idea incubated in my head. And me being me, I didn't just theorize, I actually put it in motion. It was just the starting point. I have developed other applications that have an everyday use.  I gave up making electricity, but instead developed something ENTIRELY practical and ENTIRELY useful. So good are the items I've developed that I dare not reveal them just yet because, frankly, anybody could do this. It's just so much fun doing instead of talking

[michaelollieclayton]

@awomansworld123 ...and you're quite right, my life IS NOT in danger. A conspiracy theorist stumbled upon this vid and let loose with his shall we say "rare" perspective, bless him. In the end, I hope that some kid sees this and gets a spark and actually advances the green movement before the oil runs out. My aim is to motivate. If some cheese comes my way because of it, well, hell, I'm not gonna turn it down. And if somebody else beats me to the punch, then so be it. What's old is new...

[walp86]

Trey Parker and Matt Stone should totally do an episode about this thing.

Except that the contraption would really work and create a whole lot of new problem

that arises when the whiney' car industry is put to death and Eric Cartman holds tons of cheap stock in the oil companies.(Kyle goes for Gold!)

This guy only has good intentions for himself. He wants another super expensive solar panel for free. (Not going to happend).

But its nice that he´s a farmer with a positive ecological output. :)

[michaelollieclayton]

@walp86 actually, it did "happen" in two ways: a couple of rich folks did contribute to the venture, which helped me move the thing along to its next stage, and the second way it "happened" was that the price of the larger panel, which was $480 at the time has now dropped to the fantastically low Great Recession deflation rate of $179...which is to say that our supposed economic shipwreck could be my salvation, sad to say

[MrJetjoe]

hay michaelollieclayton, I think the most intresting thing about such machines is that there so many ways of doing it. I hope one day to be able to stand together and rate the best and worst without worry of personal death just because we made a better thing that could cause death to a industury. freedom is not free. there is no true freedom.

[MrJetjoe]

you are going to get yourself killed, you should sell your system quitely to all your friends and there friends first. don't go public, good luck

[michaelollieclayton]

@MrJetjoe I was told the exact same thing by a little old lady. She told me that the powers-that-be will NEVER let me threaten their profit-making ways. She told me to shut up and keep it to myself. Thanks for your timely warning. I should hope not to live in such a conspiratorial and injurious "land of the free, home of the brave," "free enterprise" type of world, but, hey, reality beckons...

[Texmurphy51]

I cant believe that they put this kind of stuff on the News. Where is the Science Advisor???

[michaelollieclayton]

@Texmurphy51 You really should read the comments posted below. It's earnest conversation for the most part. But I'm sure it would give you further insight into the EXPERIMENT. "This kind of stuff" is where ideas begin, not end, as, apparently, it would if you were in charge of anything. Such small, petty, narrow-mindedness does not a single soul an ounce of good. Do you think you could possibly contribute something other than green-eyed envy? Are you lonely? Need a friend/try the mirror.

[Texmurphy51]

@michaelollieclayton I have no envy of you only pity. Maybe if you read & study some science you wont have to make experiments that have already been done & find that what you are trying to do cannot possibly work. Think of it this way... If you attached a 5th tire to your car & ran it through a gearbox to your transmission. Would there be any way that that tire could pick up extra energy off the road to make the car go faster? What do you think?

[michaelollieclayton]

@Texmurphy51 I won't even go there. Imagine, if you can, pity aside, inserting much, much lighter, many, many times more powerful rare-earth magnets (dysprosium, for sure) instead of the heavy, clunky ones inside of that motor and that generator. Can you see where I'm going with this? And by the way, a 200 pound man can't pick up a 200 pound object, save for torque and leverage, which is why I have a big pulley turning a very small pulley. It was once said that man couldn't fly, ya' know?

[Texmurphy51]

@michaelollieclayton Look, your Media Report implies that somehow you are taking energy from a solar panel, running it into a motor, to a generator and getting More Power than the solar panel alone. Is this your claim?? If so I say you need to look at my 5th tire example I gave you. I can tell you no matter how big magnets you use, you will lose net energy through your device. In other words there is no free lunch.

[michaelollieclayton]

@Texmurphy51 Well, there are free lunches: water cascading downhill that is captured/manipulated by a turbine, for one. But really, the idea came to me when I was moving hay into a loft by pulling a rope at an angle through a pulley. Couldn't move it without torque and leverage. Same thing with my experiment. I'm not proposing to have made more energy. What I'm trying to do is inspire, period. But you really should read up on rare-earth magnets: 20 times lighter, 100 times stronger.

[Texmurphy51]

@michaelollieclayton The energy from water cascading downhill comes from the sun. I am talking about a Free Lunch where the energy comes from nowhere. If you understand energy you realize that it always adds up. Yes you can improve the efficiency of a system, but you cant get more out then you put in. Every time you make a conversion like motor to generator, you loose some energy to heat. Every time you charge a battery you loose energy to heat. Direct from the solar panels is most efficient

[michaelollieclayton]

@Texmurphy51 As we know the living world today, you can't do what seems impossible...such as have the universe have or not have a beginning. Where did the something that we are know all come from? If everything has beginning and an ending, then there can never be a state of nothingness. Something from nothing? Or would that be nothing from something? As it stands, direct solar panels is the most efficient form of gathering energy, time-constraints and seasonal-constraints notwithstanding...

[michaelollieclayton]

@Texmurphy51 ...further, the concept of lithium's properties and usage, for example, was once deemed fantasy, the rantings of a crazed mind, however, after SUPER struggle and trial and error, this stuff does what it does, quite well. But to move it on, I took SCEPA and turned it into "ASEPA" (aero-stoked energy producing apparatus) wherein I attached small propellors onto two generators, bolted them to a metal rack and bolted that rack onto the back of a pick-up truck above the tailgate...

[michaelollieclayton]

@Texmurphy51 I attached the wires to a regulator and attached the regulator to a battery and drove around town to, eventually, the delight of a lot of folks who loved the novelty of it. This wasn't done out of poverty or panic. It was an expirement. I reasoned that the miniscule drag of turning two 1800 watt 12V was about the same as driving a fifty pound child in the passenger seat. The objective was to get dual-utilization of the money I was spending on petro.

[michaelollieclayton]

@Texmurphy51 A round trip of 40 miles total at roughly 55 mph always filled the bill. I get home and plug an inverter to the battery and run a number of household juice suckers until the next day. I'm not talking killing my whole bill, I'm talking denting that 30-day nagging note TREMENDOUSLY!  I ran my computer, TV, surround sound speakers, DVD player, etc. ASEPA came in handy a couple of times when times got rough. All in all, I'm just making a stab for the little man.

[Texmurphy51]

@michaelollieclayton Part 1 You have got to realize that by putting wind generators on your truck you have created a drag that reduces your gas mileage. The energy to charge the battery came from the gasoline you burned. You would have been better off just charging the battery from your alternator. This is why I gave you the example of using a 5th tire on the road. Think of it like this.. take a battery operated bicycle & attach your prop/generator to it. Could the generator... continue.

[Texmurphy51]

@michaelollieclayton Part 2 ... make enough power to keep the bicycle moving? Could you use the wind from the moving bicycle to generate enough power to turn the motor & keep the bicycle moving? The answer is No, the additional drag of the blades slow the bicycle down. As I said there is no free lunch when it comes to energy.

[CrimsonTheOriginal]

I personally tried to do something similar to your idea, but gave up, i was alot younger (15) when i tried i was attempting to build a perpetual motion machine lol. but i used a new gear system/setup i invented I would love to hear from you to see if we could do some collaborative work and see if we could put our inventions together. I think my gear design would improve the performance of your device...

[michaelollieclayton]

@CrimsonTheOriginal I'm open to any ideas that can improve my invention. HOWEVER, not at this very moment. I'm a farmer and we're at the height of the season here in hot, hot, hot Louisiana. Get back at me closer to Oct-Nov. Sorry to put you off, it's just that I'm waaaaaay to distracted to even think about tackling another project. I hope we can compare notes on down the road.

[UBERKron]

why the rotary converter? surely it would just be panels charging a battery i dont see the big picture?

[michaelollieclayton]

@UBERKron i thought that using torque and leverage (i.e. a big pulley turning a little pulley) would create more power. it's purely experimental. honestly, if you wouldn't mind, i suggest you read the comments i posted throughout this thread you'll see what greater posssibilities exist. for example: the chinese have this rare-earth magnet that is much lighter than permanent magnets and generates ten + more power than standard magnets. my um, fantasy, is to replace the heavier magnets...

[UBERKron]

@michaelollieclayton i understand now. run it with a little force harnerss alot. must experiment to learn.

[TheSolarSkater]

ahahahaha this is real life electricity, don't try this at home. ahahahaha. its common sense and a little basic knowledge, don't put your finger in the inverter or the outlet

[michaelollieclayton]

@TheSolarSkater I see someone has a sense of humor. But, truthfully, there are some people out there--the doubting Thomas types--who would have to actually get fried in order to be made into believers.

[alexkram]

You need to call Cracker Jack and get a refund on your engineering degree.

[michaelollieclayton]

Thanks for the positive reinforcement. Where would the world be without optimists such as yourself?

[michaelollieclayton]

...you should read the comments below to get some insight on an EXPERIMENT, not an end-use product, but an EXPERIMENT, sir!

[OBXSOLWIND]

Thats cool Im still trying to figure it out.

Take care.

[michaelollieclayton]

Trial and error, trial and error, trial and error....

[offthegridsurvival]

It looks pretty simple, get some panels, charge controller (so you have a steady flow of electricity), two dc motors, one big pulley, one small pulley, a belt, a battery, and an inverter... plug up the panels to the charge controller, charger to one motor, which belt drives the other motor generating dc electricity, which charges the batteries, batteries hook up the inverter turning dc to ac. I'm gonna make one!

[michaelollieclayton]

You got it right off the bat: SIMPLICITY RULES! Now, here's the kicker: I came across this site that touts a much lighter, much more powerful generator that doubles the output of other generators because it doesn't use as much metal. Since YouTube won't let you post a link in these boxes (YUK!!!!) I'll send you the link in your personal message box, but I'll post the description under this message.

[michaelollieclayton]

Gemini Electric Generator: Because of the twin magnetic fields in the GEMINI design, each revolution of a GEMINI wind powered generator is expected to produce a much greater output of electricity than possible from a conventional design generator. This feature will make the GEMINI a popular, energy efficient choice for all applications where a generator is matched to any power source. Less fuel or source power will be required to supply the same demands.

[michaelollieclayton]

Due to the Gemini Electric Motor and Generator design of using an inner and outer ring of permanent magnets, to effectively use both sides of the energized coil, the generator is smaller in physical size and dimensions than a conventional generator. This reduction in size means less metal used in manufacture, less material costs, and a lighter weight, requiring less supporting strength or tower structure. All focused on a lower cost unit for the same out put in electric energy.

[STARFIRESOLAR]

I'm done talking to you about this. It's taken you 3 years to wire a PV panel to a motor, generator, and a battery and you think you've got something special. I think that is funny as hell. If you think that your SCEPA is something special then let's see you win the Nobel Prize! HAHAHA

Until then, you need to just keep running your con game trying to get donations and investors. You talk about having all kinds of property, why don't you fund your own projects and quit asking for money!?

[michaelollieclayton]

Three years of variation. Started out with water running from an overhead tank turning a generator, only to discover that water will not go beyond it's level during the uptake. Then there was the fan blowing the fan, which is very good, except that I couldn't rig a variable speed controller to run on DC current. There's more, but I won't bore you. SCEPA came as a result of cutting fat off of ideas that on paper made a little sense, but didn't pan out in the real world.

[michaelollieclayton]

As for the donations or support, why do big companies with loads of money look for donors and supporters, when they have considerably more money than I do. And who the hell wants a Nobel Prize? How's about leaving something behind that mankind can benefit from? Not everybody is a crook. Science can be advanced by the LITTLE MAN just as well as it can be advanced by corporatistas. I, too, am done talking to you about this. God bless you.

[STARFIRESOLAR]

I got all your messages that you just sent. All you can do is make personal attacks at me, and tell me about all the shit you have and I bet you actually think I give a fuck what you think, what you own, what you think you own, you personally or this SCAM you are running with this SCEPA Bullshit!

IF SCEPA IS SO GREAT THEN LET'S SEE YOU WIN THE NOBEL PRIZE FOR SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY !!

UNTIL THEN WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND SPEND YOUR TIME RUNNING YOUR SCAM INSTEAD!

[michaelollieclayton]

Well, let's see, I'm OUTSIDE of the establishment, so that's one knock. Second, it's people like you who, instead of helping further a thing along, attack it. (Which I believe has more to do with GREEN EYES then you'd ever admit.) The point of telling you about my lifestyle was to try and see if you had a shred of earthiness to you, but, alas, and not too surprising you keep up the attack on someone merely trying to start something worthwhile. You true self shines through and through...

[michaelollieclayton]

You know, when I saw your dryer at your site, I thought, wow, this guy is on the same page as me. You see, kat, the idea isn't so much that SCEPA can or cannot become a functional, integral part of our energy system, but that the concept of reconfiguring our AC driven energy system to hybrid AC/DC devices could be envisioned because of the fire that could be lit in someone's head once they saw SCEPA.

[michaelollieclayton]

Example: Having discovered, quite by accident, that a 2 hp motor could be powered directly by sunlight opened my mind to myriad possibilities, and I got to thinking, why not come up with some household devices that could completely utilize sunlight. A DC can opener, a DC mixer, a DC fan (of which I have a whole lot, especially the overhead ones), a DC washing machine, a DC dryer. That's what SCEPA is all about: possibilities, not tricks. Funny that you didn't catch that from the outset.

[STARFIRESOLAR]

Oh Really !? You say "SCEPA utilizes a 100 watt solar panel to "fuel" a direct current motor that turns an 1800 watt generator with pulleys and a belt, thereby making considerably more electricity than the 100 watt panel." You just told me that you didnt' say this, and you did! There it is in black and white!

YOU ARE A LIAR !!

Hey It's YOU that started the name calling! And I have not called you any names, I have only said that your contraption doesn't work as you say!

[STARFIRESOLAR]

You are trying to tell the world that you invented something that turns 100 Watts into 1800 Watts. That's Bullshit!

You spent 3 yrs. on this "Labor of Love" and all you have to show for it is a motor, a generator, a PV panel, a battery laying in the yard, and a BULLSHIT STORY !

If you have a patent, then tell us the patent number so we can all look it up on the USPTO website. Patents aren't secrets and we have the right to research your patent. So what's your registered patent number?

[michaelollieclayton]

First, I NEVER said I turned 100 watts into 1800 watts. You clearly have some sort of comprehension problem. I said I used a 100 watt panel to TURN an 1800 watt motor that turned an 1800 watt generator. I never made a single assertion as to the amount of power that was generated. The provisional patent is pending and the confirmation # is 6394/app #: 61/197,841. You are, without doubt, an anal retentive sanctimonious prig who has to cuss to make a point.

[michaelollieclayton]

Additionally, I'd like to thank you for paying such close, close, CLOSE attention to my "bullshit story." Obviously, a nerve was struck. And you totally missed the tone of my previous replies inasmuchas I am PORTENDING POSSIBILITIES, not claiming success. The project is in beta stage, fool. It sounds to me that the scientist doth protest too much. Maybe you need someone laying next to you stroking your hide. Perhaps that'll take some of the heat out of your unquenched fire, ya' think kat?

[STARFIRESOLAR]

People pay attention to what you say you dumbass! What do you expect? If you don't want people to catch you in lies, THEN DON'T LIE!!

YOU HAVE CLAIMED SUCCESS IN PRINT AND IN WHAT YOU HAVE TOLD THE TV NEWS !

YOU ARE AN IDIOT, AND JUDGING FROM WHAT I'VE HEAR YOU SAY AND WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN i CAN TELL WHY YOU AREN'T A WRITER ANYMORE. YOU MAKE UP WORDS, WHAT THE HELL DOES "PORTENTING" MEAN !? IT MEANS YOU ARE AN IDIOT !!

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE !!

[michaelollieclayton]

You sitll have a BIG comprehensnion problem. And you aren't very flexibile in the understanding department either. "Turns" the generator is the same as "fuels" the generator. It has to be turned/fueled by mechanical application. Further, I have yet to cuss you. Cussing someone can get them to call you names. Didn't you grasp that concept in Kindergarten? As for not writing, I wrote eleven books after i jumped off the corporate treadmill, weenie!

[michaelollieclayton]

Neither can you read. I never wrote P-O-R-T-E-N-T-I-N-G, I wrote P-O-R-T-E-N-D-I-N-G which means leading toward, swaying toward, heading in a certain direction, suggesting, inferring. More to the point, all you have to do is watch the video and read the description to see what's going on. You JUST WANT it to be snake oil. Can't imagine somebody like me stepping outside the box and crafting something that could serve as a launching point for an even greener revolution, can you? Hurts hunh?

[michaelollieclayton]

L U L U . C O M / MICHAEL CLAYTON

[michaelollieclayton]

I've sold a few thousand dollars worth of books of my own doing, being a third world kinda guy who doesn't have much for the establishment, but I suppose that's a lie to. Well, it's not. But in this case, I WILL NOT be sharing my revenue master frame from LULU with you. Sorry, that's private material. I live on 197 acre farm owned outright. The house is paid for, too. I have 77 fruit trees and grow everything from grapes to broccoli, but that would be a lie to you too.

[michaelollieclayton]

I have cows, turkeys, ducks, chickens, in addition to the wicked assortment of fruit trees ranging from yellow and purple plums (Santa Rosa and Burbank) to Elberta, Early Amber, Rio Grande, Redhaven, Sam Houston and June Gold peaches to figs (Brown Turkey and Celeste) to nectarines to apples to pears (Orient, Kieffer, Le Conte) and on and on. Did I mention the three fish ponds full of catfish? And don't let me leave out the 21 pecan trees. My toilet can testify to all of it! No need to scam!

[STARFIRESOLAR]

I always applaud personal efforts in alternate energy developement, but what you have explained is physically impossible.

Firstly the sun DOES NOT provide 1000 Watts per sq.ft. as you claim, It provides 1000 Watts per square METER. That's a BIG difference.

Second and most importantly, if you have a 100 Watt PV panel, that's all the power you will ever get from it, 100 Watts that's all.

You can't have a motor turning a generator and expect to get more power than what runs the motor.

[michaelollieclayton]

That's where the concept of leverage comes into play. I use a big pulley to turn a smaller pulley and thereby, through the magic of leverage, create more juice. Sort of like a 180 pound person using a pulley and torque to lift a 250 pound weight. My proof is that the 100 watt panel has yet to load a battery as quickly as SCEPA has.

[STARFIRESOLAR]

Sir, I am not going to argue basic physics with you. If you didn't learn it in school, look up the Law of Conservation of Energy, which states in so many words that energy is never created or lost it merely changes states, and basically that you can't get more energy out of something than what is in it to start with.

The reporter was right, you have a "Contraption" It's an invention, but it won't work therefore it's a Contraption. If it worked you wouldn't have to be asking for donations.

[michaelollieclayton]

I do not claim to be a master electrician, hardly that. Nor am I a scientist. I took a common sense idea and put it in motion.  The "contraption" is just that--a starting point, a diving board, created to foster off-shoots, possibilities, hybrids. Also, I didn't mention that a new generator made of much lighter material, with more magnets and double the capacity of current generators has been invented in the last two years.

[michaelollieclayton]

Further, your comments seem to have a negative tinge. But that's neither here nor there. What CANNOT be argued with is the VERIFIABLE fact that it takes days for the 100 watt PV to charge a deep-cycle battery whereas SCEPA does it in hours. How do you argue with those CONCRETE facts? You have to understand algerbraic inputs to understand what I'm reaching for. In and of itself, you're right on the physics aspect in terms of more power from a lesser output angle, but rolling a ball on flat

[michaelollieclayton]

surface won't make it go as fast as rolling that exact same ball on a surface that is at a steep downward grade. Does that make any sense to you? Adding the larger pulley to the smaller pulley made for increase in output of SCEPA. I don't see how that WOULDN'T make sense to you, being that you speak with such condescending authority and dismiss the concepts of torque and leverage out of hand.

[michaelollieclayton]

If it worked? Hell, airplanes were never to have gotten off the ground. Remember that one? No, Starfiresolar, negativity and deconstruction isn't what's need, affirmation is. Do you have anything other to contribute to the conversation other than self-proclaimed omniscience? I think I'd prefer to here about what can POSSIBLY done as opposed to what can never be.

[michaelollieclayton]

If you look at the video, you'll see a box that tells you where and how to donate. If you have any other questions, then post them here as all of my actions pertaining to SCEPA are open, public and transparent.

[silverpizza100]

Id like to go in, I think you have done good work and I want a system like that too. What do I got to do, here in cali, hit me up...

[michaelollieclayton]

The comment I am trying to send you won't post, for some reason.