This is our land. Nwo ressistance,

[octogonarul]

wow wow...! 5 000 000* we should go out the system and become Immortals.

[EXOMATRlXTV]

awesome !

[gamlegamlegamle]

RieZZieman and Mafkeesdejong.

What is it that you people really want out of this what i would call discussion?

Nothing is paradoxal but thinking makes it so.

Gamlegamlegamle

[gamlegamlegamle]

Just throwing this out their.

As long as you support the belief that one thing is true and the other is false. You will remain in endless deadlock.

Regardless of anything.

Intellectual contradiction will result in disatisfaction.

What is it you want that is so futile that you are prepared to fight for it against smoke and mirrors.

( Everything i just said can and will be refuted by myself, What i just wrote was for myself and myself alone, Writting this is futile.

[RieZZieman]

And Zeitgeist part 1 is as refuted as it can be, like all the exoteric learnings they want you to believe.

If you can't connect the dots yourself you refute yourself also. This whole story we were talking about is the true coming of the protocols of the learned elders of Zion (and don't come and say it's a forgery)

[Mafkeesdejong]

*Sigh*

I betrayed myself? How so? Those esoteric believes are voodoo, they have nothing to do with how our system works. And most of all it has nothing to do with Zeitgeist/The Venus Project. You're whole argument is about a scene of 15 minutes from the first movie of Zeitgeist. Zeitgeist has moved on to the cause of the problems not the symptoms (e.g. Masons). And your argument is about the name Venus, I already tried to clarify the nature of that name. But you want to believe the ferry tales.

[RieZZieman]

ever thought of the possibility that problems are created by the people that solve them ? you seem like someone who falls for this scam which is going on for so long. i think you believe in fairy tales thinking that the world is the way you observe it.

what if these masons we were talking about created this problems that they are solving right now? still think that this project you're talkin about is that good ?

[Mafkeesdejong]

"What if"? That's your argument?

Again, try and reply with absolute certainty for once. With a strong example backed by a source, that would help allot!

The problem, reaction and solution theory of David Icke. Well all problems are solved like that, you can't build a case on that can you? I can say to you (again) that the people behind the Venus project are scientists, not politicians or bankers. Their plans are not beneficial for the politicians and bankers, so try and think about that...

[RieZZieman]

that's the whole problem: problem action reaction, although i have nothing with Icke. what im trying to tell you is that the problems are solved by the people that created them but you dont seem to understand.

and maybe you mean with scientist, scientologists, that makes alot more sense.

but as i see you are that brainwashed in believing that project. Again: research yourself and don't rely on internetfilms specially if they are refuted.

[Mafkeesdejong]

Oh come on! Do you even read my comments? You keep on babbling with assumptions that's all you got. Scientists are suddenly scientologists?! For once, back up your argument. Because it's complete bunk! And brainwashed? How? I asked every time for a source, I'm as open minded as it can be. But you don't have any sources, that makes you kinda brainwashed doesn't it? "And do your own research"? About what? Tell me? Does any research satisfied it? Quit being so vague, let's start a real discussion!

[Mafkeesdejong]

Explain to me how the Venus project relates to today's problems? How do they make it worse? Don't forget your sources, I'm all ears...

[RieZZieman]

please dont be stupid, you act like you don't know: Zeitgeist is a 100% new-age movement movie. Check mme Blavatski, Alice Bailey's Luci(fer)s trust, Aleister Crowley etcetera.. You failed to recognise the new age meaning of the venus project. New Age religion is based on satanism. *sigh*

[Mafkeesdejong]

I still fail to see any facts in your comments or sources. You've tried this time to mention some sources, but they aren't connected to Zeitgeist. The Venus Project is called like that because they are facilitated in Venus, Florida. If you want to believe voodoo stuff then you could also focus on the Roman voodoo stuff, then (like I already mentioned) Venus means love and beauty. Are you still bitching about the first 15 minutes of Zeitgeist 1? Those issues are facts! Look at the stars yourself.

[Mafkeesdejong]

If you still can't discus on a level of facts and sources then you are a complete waste of time. I can't learn anything from you. All you do is assuming, I'm not that gullible. I need proof from a reliable source which I can verify myself. You still fail to comply on that. If you want to know where the Venus project is all about then search on Vimeo for: "Where are we going Zeitgeist".

If I don't respond to you after this comment, then I don't regard you as a useful source of information.

[Mafkeesdejong]

Further more this system perpetuates an elite, if that's a Mason cult or some bankers, it doesn't matter we need them in this system to function. We can't have honest people or even problem solvers in this system. Everything is build to make a profit, most profit can be made from problems (global warming taxes, war, etc.). Every elite group hasn't got problems solving skills, that's why everything is messed up. And no profit can be made when those problems are solved. The project solves that.

[Mafkeesdejong]

But you think these people (scientists/technicians) caused these problems? Look at what improves your live, it's all technology. No voodoo rubbish or politician has ever build you a save and warm house without technology.

Those who make the problems today are also our elite. And they have no skills to solve problems. The Venus Project puts those things straight. There is no political way to solve a problem, only technically. And we shouldn't look at the costs in money, but at the resources.

[Mafkeesdejong]

If you want to chase the symptoms the rest of your live then you will solve nothing. I was like you a few years ago, only looking for exiting alternative views. But how long does that stay interesting? Especially when there is a way to improve our social system into something where there is no need for an elite, poverty or war.

If that bothers you then I don't know what kind of end result you are looking for.

[RieZZieman]

Well, you just betrayed yourself. The same secret societies that are behind todays problems want to offer you a solution ?? Can't you think for yourself ?? I'm not going te spell myself out for you, use your brains..

I think you mainly discredited yourself with your last comment.

[RieZZieman]

@Mafkeesdejong

Maybe you should read some more books and less youtube video's. Maybe you should note that a lot of zeitgeist claims come from some very odd new-age sources, like 'the christ conspiracy'. Freemasons' thoughts are interwoven in it and you don't even know it. Maybe you should extend your research. When you do you'll see the true meaning of the Venus Project.

And to backup my 'Lucifer' claim, just look up the projectories of Venus and Earth, look at the number of conjuctions in 8yr

[Mafkeesdejong]

That's true their sources of the first movie in the first part was indeed mostly made thanks to the research of Masons. But that doesn't make it a false source. Look at the stars, check the ancient stories, but them together and you'll have the same picture.

I know that Venus makes a pentagram. Your point? A pentagram stands for; earth, water, air, fire and love. Scary huh? Quit the voodoo stuff and just check our 21st century state of technology. We can do better these days. Check the project

[mindinflow]

I accept when my heart accepts.

I know to much to give my heart to this new scheeple system.

Just get in line YOU.

You are young man.

Think of your own solutions do your own experiments you dont need any movie to give you a system thats ready to install.

We just need some scheeple to demand them right ;)

You are right that this system creates the problems. I dont have al the solutions and neither do you or the nwo project.. We are all part of the solution.

[Mafkeesdejong]

And you are still talking based on assumptions? Sources? Anywhere?

Otherwise just check out the project, because I think you are just scared of change. If not then answer the questions of my previous comment.

Or search on Vimeo for: "Where are we going Zeitgeist". Watch the second part of the presentation.

Why am I a sheep? You are the one that's willing to be ignored about the project. You are just making up stories based on nothing. That's what I call a sheep with his head in the sand.

[mindinflow]

i dont have to give you any proof to support my upinion .

You want my opinion on the research i did. I cant tell you this in a small message like this.

Like i said the less they know the more they want proof.

[mindinflow]

It doesnt matter what he thinks, I will never accept this venus project.

This guy want proof.

The less you know the more you will try to proof.

Im allready past that stage.

[Mafkeesdejong]

Then what do you accept? What's your endgame in all of this? That politicians become fair? That bankers don't become greedy? That's a 'fight' you will never win. This system creates the problems you highlight in your video. You can't fix it unless you have a new system which generates a new paradigm without those symptoms. This is how the Venus project looks at today's problems. And they have solutions, I'm still waiting for yours. Also your sources, you still haven't send me anything...

[RieZZieman]

@Mafkees

no religious thoughts here but why is this project you refer to named after Satan or Lucifer ?

Venus=MorningStar=Lucifer

2nd you SAY ' It's not communism, communism has an elite, a banking system, politicians, armies, police, laws, etc. The Venus Project doesn't have that.' isn't that a little silly, thinking that isn't nesceserry? Of course 'they' want you to think there will be none of that but i think that you can think clear, so do it and don't be so naive

[Mafkeesdejong]

It's called the Venus project because their research facility is located in Venus, Florida. And Venus is also the Roman God of love and beauty. So it's just how far fetched you want to be. Just stay with the facts, that doesn't create delusions.

So you are rejecting the Venus project because you think it's a deception? What kind of argument is that? If you want to learn facts and not assumptions then search on Vimeo for: "Where are we going Zeitgeist". Watch the second part of the presentation

[RieZZieman]

@Mafkees

The venus project is just the thing the NWO is all about.. It is, by the way, communist in nature, taking away your individual rights for the profit of a group your living in. This means being controlled by the system. I don't think thats good.

[Mafkeesdejong]

Same question for you, what's your source?

The Venus Project is nothing like that. It's not communism, communism has an elite, a banking system, politicians, armies, police, laws, etc. The Venus Project doesn't have that. And rights are taken away? Who told you that? And there is no 'the NWO'. The entire planets history is comprised of NWO's. It's not a master plan, look up the original meaning, you are talking about a myth.

Give me your source, I'm very interested in everything you told me.

[mindinflow]

A New world order is not needed.

Sorry but i think youve got it all wrong.

A new world order is a dream that is as old as mankind. Its a dream to dominate the world. To make one central government. One power that controls ALL.

A new world order is never NEEDED.

We dont need The zeitgeist solutions to.

It brought by the same people that want this new world order established.

Dont believe me

Do your own research i dont have time for discussions.

[Mafkeesdejong]

Okay then don't discus, don't share your opinion, stay with your own facts and shut yourself of from people that think differently. At least give me your sources. Where did you learn your all of this? And how so is change not necessary? It clearly doesn't work this current NWO.

Saying to me to do my own research isn't very conclusive, that's open for interpretation. I already done my own research. And you said I'm wrong, then tell me where I'm wrong. With facts, explanations and examples.

[mindinflow]

@Mafkeesdejong You are the one that is making conclusions

You dont no my intentions when i say i dont want to discuss. youre ego is taking it far to personaly.

If you think you found the solution than you are wrong. I told you do the research there is enough proof out there that the venus project is propaganda.

[Mafkeesdejong]

It wasn't ego, it gave you to consequences in a sarcastic way.

Give me your sources, if the Venus project is such an obvious fraud then it wouldn't be so much trouble to ask.

[Mafkeesdejong]

That comment I send you wasn't written good.

It wasn't an ego issue, I was just putting the consequences on the table for not discussing and sharing information.

Give me a source, not the suggestion to do research, like I already said that's open for interpretation.

If the Venus project is such an obvious fraud then it wouldn't take much time for you to debunk it with a source/examples/explanation and most of all facts.

I presume you know more about the project then RieZZieman?

[mindinflow]

and no zeitgeist is no solution its a propaganda movie of the NWO

[Mafkeesdejong]

What do you mean with the NWO? A NWO means a new global order like the acronym already says. When the Soviet Union fell there was a new world order (Bush senior speech explained). When the economy in the West collapsed a NWO was needed (Brown speech explained). There is no conspiracy about that, it's just a constant in our world. The Venus Project and thus Zeitgeist is indeed a NWO. What's your point?

And why is the Venus project not a solution? Does this system work? What do you propose?

[Mafkeesdejong]

And what about your solution? This is just another dramatic video about today's problems. You will not change the world or solve anything by doing this. Get your priorities straight!

[mindinflow]

@Mafkeesdejong do you have a solution ??

its a promo video for my website and there i talk with people and think about solutions and what are you doing ?? Only giving critic and sitting on your ass

[gordybhoy]

Superb

[theTRUTHprincess]

super vid excellent info!

"They will not force us,

They will stop degrading us,

They will not control us,

We will be victorious" - MUSE

[TELEFOON87]

Mooi in mekaar gezet !! =+)

Ga vooral zoo door.

Beste video tot nu toe !!!!

MVGroeten.

[alibb81]

We are lost,at the end of 2012 the killing of 95°/° is going to start,the 500,miljoen who stay alive they have to choice the blue or red pill.see how they killed the irakis and the afgaan,pakistan haitity and the palastinian thats the begin.

[TELEFOON87]

i hope you will be positive when 2012 willl began , and we will stand, unite and RISE up again once more to fight back this time or ells it will be like that.

But i dont think it will happen anyway.

[Insanitea]

who is that at 4:30 ?

He is great :D

[mindinflow]

@Insanitea iraq veteran i dont know his name.

[AweSomo84]

I rather live one day with the truth than living a lie all my life

[humanswin]

Powerful.Great job.

[mindinflow]

@humanswin Thanks :)

[AweSomo84]

"it makes me cry at night"

I wish , my soul cries out all the time .