This has to go down as one of the most articulate, erudite and fucking spot on answers I have ever heard to a religious question. Bravo Richard Dawkins!
@nfinn42 Like you'd know LMAO, "Smackdown" That reveals more about you intelligence than anything else you could say. You're really qualified to comment, best you try to get a new brain first!
@russelljenkins69 Yeah I've just had a load of replies from those like him and you, and there isn't a half a brain between the lot of you! You lot twist what others say and don't even understand what this evil fucker is saying. Yeah that's Chimpanzee intelligence for you! Fuck Pigeons are smarter than apes, it's been proven many times in Scientific experiments! So their you have it Dawkins doesn't even have the intelligence of one of the most stupid birds around!
To me it's this simple, Who would you want to deal with and have a good talk too. A person who says I will never change my mind no matter what you say, do or show me, or a person who says I am willing to have my mind and beliefs changed. That's not saying changing their mind would be easy but as I said, I know who I would rather deal with.
I love how religious apologists LOVE to call atheists arrogant and then turn around and openly claim to have a direct line of communication with the fairy they claim created the universe, and that we don't because we don't believe in the same bullshit they do. Pot, meet kettle. Claiming to have revealed knowledge is one of the most arrogant things I can think of!
Rational atheists didn't make everything good in the world, rational people made everything good in the world, regardless of religion, ideology or color of the skin, the constitution and first amendment were made by people who thought religion was the worst thing to have been ever invented, founding fathers and great inventors.
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if you google christian dark ages and check the first picture you'll see why I'm not a fan ..
anyhow he's a classy and respectable debater, he should be praised by that
He's really arrogent. Like he thinks he can throw out a millennia old debate by just saying that rational atheists made everything good in the world. And then somehow all theists are complete idiots. Give me a break. There are far better theistic debaters and thinkers than this guy out there and he's too cowardly to debate them.
And I like how he describes how he doesn't like absolute morality and then turns around and tries to say how he would make it. I don't see why people idolize this guy.
@agarfield2004 Not how he would make it, how it is he never says I think this should be a moral and that should be a moral he says this is a moral in modern day times and I agree with it. Not the same thing as what you are implying
@agarfield2004 you have no clue what absolute morality means do you ? Because richard wasn't enforcing absolute morality . He was rather supporting a morality which changes through time due to discussion and etc .
@elporteroful There are statistics that do NOT place Christians in a favorable light. You can keep denying those statistics or keep distorting their validity. You change none of the FACTS.
There are genuinely good Christians. They are genuinely good not because they are Christians, but in spite of it.
Atheists are not genuinely good people for fear of punishment (hell) or hopes of rewards (heaven), but simply because common sense tells us that it's the rigth way to live. It makes us happy.
And what of the Evil Scientists who invented the Atomic Bomb, I suppose according to this wanker they were Christians not Scientists. The most evil and diabolical weapon for mass murder ever, developed by those he calls moral, but hey they were scientists so that's quite ok! You lot of morons that follow this geek are fucking mindless idiots!
@ninjajesus81 No he didn't, and I never said he did! What he said because you are obviously deaf and one-eyed, is that you don't have to believe in God to have morals. I have questioned the morals of those atheists that invented the Atomic Bomb, what part of that don't you understand? Grow a fucking brain!
@kryckeestrooff The Atomic Bomb may have been a bit far, but it was developed to win a war that religious ideology had a big part in starting. Also, nice job insulting the people who are trying to objectively improve this world for your children. I suppose you think homosexuality is a tool of the devil?
@SamuraiMasenko Bullshit if you did some research you'd find that that war was being financed by the same people on both sides, Hitler wasn't religious, he was just a hateful cunt with syphilis!
Objectively improve? WTF has this cant done? Nothing, but insult those who disagree with him!
Homosexuality is a tool of man's own sick pervertedness, get this through your thick-heads People are NOT born that way, stupid! Look up Cher's Daughter for example!
@kryckeestrooff Scientists only build what their leaders demand and pay them to build, interestingly enough in order to become a leader here in America you have to be a declared Christian. I bet you most scientists would rather build space ships to explore space, but that's not what our Christian leaders want, they want war because their holy books demand war.
@GoogleVideoMan Really then how do you explain Obama declaring himself a Muslim? Explain your way out of that World Wide known FACT! But at the same time I wouldn't call Bonesmen Christians either, that leaves both the Bushs out the picture, nor a Cuban cigar smoking Cocaine Snorting womaniser so there goes Clinton too. The last one you had that was anywhere close was Regan, and he never attacked anyone. BTW A declaration means nothing to a liar! Get you facts straight New Ager!
@xXLeoXx0731 I have read the whole bible. I like the bit in numbers 31 17-18 where Moses scolds his army for sparing the women and children of a defeated army. Moses then tells them to kill every woman and male child but keep the girls as sex slaves. I bet you have never read the whole bible except the nice bits in the NT.The bible is a collection of bronze age myths and nothing more.
@kortenful don't forget the bit where god struck a gang of children dead because they insulted a prophet who was walking past. What did they do, you might ask - call him a motherf*cker, spray paint a swastika on his car, shave his back and teabag him?
Nah, they just shouted, "Go up, Bald Head."
Boom, dead. God's infinite wisdom. Justice swift and justice sure. :P
this is my personal belief is that richard dawkins is a self entitled arrogant twit who didnt even look the guy in the eye now im a christian but i can tell you that the god i love does not want to persecute people unlike mr dawkins
@sherry180441 Dawkins didn't need to "look the guy in the eye" since his answer was for the entire audience. His stance is that the person he may "diss" in a debate will only get more religious through anger of being humiliated by him, but other religious people watching, who aren't directly attacked, would think "hey, I don't want to get an ass wooping like that, maybe I should think things over". So yeah, Dawkins' words were for all, knowing that the Muslim guy wouldn't change his mind.
@MrBugs1983 Actually, only 0.2% of the american prison population are atheists. Whereas it is estimated that 10%-15% of the general population are atheists. This shows an extreme tendency for atheists to be law-abiding citizens in relation to the religious community, where the prison population is higher than the general population.
@cm3007235 You realize that taking self-reporting data here is very unlikely to yield accurate results, right? Anti-nonbeliever prejudice is the strongest bias in America, easily beating racism. And prisons are full of violent self-described "Christians". What place could be LESS safe to profess atheism, than in a prison?! If I went to prison, I would fake a religious conversion *immediately*. :P
@nfinn42 Oh I agree of course, it is going to be wildly inaccurate, that's why I only use those statistics when people claim that atheists have no morals, or are morally inferior to religious people (I'm sure you are familiar with the garbage that goes on).
@cm3007235 indeed, as an agnostic, I find it *intensely* irritating when the religious blandly assume, or baldly state, that my non-adherence to their belief system disqualifies me from having any sense of values, morality, or ethics. As if a rational, free-willed adult could not construct a self-consistent, internal moral philosophy from first principles of altruism! Just because *they* need carrots and sticks after death, they assume everyone is equally unimaginative... :P
My point isn't that atheists are violent, though. I'd imagine there may be as high a percentage as 5% atheists in prison. We have no way of knowing, though, since there are no reliable sources of information on prisoners' beliefs. Unless you are in a gang that supports your faith / lack thereof, your answer is whatever does best at keeping a shank out of your ribcage for another week.
Forgive me, but I've never actually heard Richard Dawkins say anything that hasn't been said on every message board by every somewhat thoughtful atheist. He just says it in a polite British accent.
His ideas are not advanced or profound. He's actually quite basic. If this is the leader of rational thought, we are not as far along as we like to believe.
"Forgive me, but I've never actually heard Richard Dawkins say anything that hasn't been said on every message board by every somewhat thoughtful atheist"
Well yes this is mostly true, to some extend because allot of atheists repeat what he says.
But have you read his book's ? Those are quite substantial.
Remember that television shows are somewhat limiting partly because of time restraints and partly because everything gets dummed down so that the more simpleminded can follow.
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Richard, you are asking for imperfection. You are not asking for perfection. You don't want perfection. You get what you ask for.
It reminds me of something God said, He said it is a good thing to ask for a more personal God talking to us Man to man. None of this fire smoke and thunder kind of a thing. God said that we should listen to this Man when He comes.
If only people were not so afraid of the truth, the world would be a much better place.
@Mcnasty6w Stalin abolished religion so that he could establish a CULT of personality; he wanted the people to look at HIM as a god. He looked at religion as a rival power source, he was greedy for power and thus, he abolished religion. ATHEISM is the ABSENCE of belief in any god. It is NOT the belief that you ARE a god. That's just crazy; just as crazy as believing in a god in the first place.
@Gallard42 To an extent, yes. But the point is they are all absolute judgements from various religous texts. Any theist who considers their morals superior to secular ideals therefor has to find some way of rationalising these " truths". Atheists don't have to cherry pick their moral code as they do not begin with a bronze-age starting point.
@aquatix Actually your posting is a great demonstration on how to take a part of the bible out of context.
The bible doesn't say that this specific rule is absolute morality. It was a law for a group of people (Israel) at a specific point of time (thousands of years ago) (Exodus 21:1). And, believe it or not, this law was (for this time) a step forward (killing your slave was not forbidden before).
What you did is exactly the cherry-picking, Dawkings critized. Just in the other direction.
@Gallard42 - I don't feel I've taken it out of context and you obviously agreed with me. The point remains that there are some rather absurd bits in the Bible. Yes, it's easy to say 'look at this nice line, it represents the love god gives'. Using Jay Fry's example, it's like a burglar in court; of course you're going to refer to that burglary or that murder. You're not going to congratulate me for the many slaves I spared.
Cherry Pick? haha, ignorant to the bible. We don't leave out any of the horrible bits. We believe in the moral philosophy and rationale thinking of Jesus, who put away with the ignorance of the times before Him and some of the things we were doing until even now.
Animals kill each other. According to evolution, we are animals. Sure, we are more evolved, and have a more evolved set of morality (if you can say animals have a morality), but the fact still remains that accordiing to the Theory of Evolution and Natural Selection (which I realize are not the same thing, but they go hand in hand), we are animals, and there is no particular reason why we shouldn't be able to kill each other.
Do yourself a favor and look up "game theory" or "decision theory." Also, look up anything relating to the writings that influenced Thomas Jefferson and the other founding fathers as they pieced together our system of government. As it turned out, they believed most people would be willing to give up their right to murder if only to make it wrong for someone else to do so as well. Reasonable, I think, with no need of any superstitious input to get to that conclusion.
modern people have a morality that is reasoned, kind, believes in the equality of women, and the immorality of slavery?! really?
bullshite. there are more slaves on the planet now than there ever were (child sex slaves), governments (supposedly 'the people') are exploiting, arming and bombing the third world into oblivion and operate by force. we don't even think about it. i think secualr 'morality' is only slightly less fucked up than religious extremist nutjobs.
The only reason why Darwin's Theory Of Evolution was called Darwin's Theory Of Evolution, was because the Catholic Church would've taken his head if he had indeed labeled his theory as proven fact. Which it should be deemed today.
What i find shocking is that man created the concept of god to explain the world around him, then man became ruled by a plagiarized and subverted version of the imaginary concept and now in 2011 still believes in that which he created to govern himself. Delusional.
I've got nothing against this guy, or he's views. But he's doing one thing wrong, pointing at religion as the base of evil things. While he completely ignores Eugenics, if you come to know more about eugenics you start to think that why doesn't the scientists mention it nowadays? Do they still support it? And if they are and you're supporting them, then it's like supporting the oppressors. Peace.
@ThePatientMuslim Eugenics was the hideously immoral apllication of selective breeding to humans. Science was not motivation, but rather, application. The scientific method is morally neutral, it is a tool. Religion, on the other hand, propounds the absolute moral value of arbitrary and often condemnable actions. It is a motivation toward evil. Science is not. Eugenics was simply an application of a methodology, one that we all oppose.
@craigpsimpson But you don't see how blind it's to say that other is completely bad and that it "promotes" evil actions, whereas eugenics was a mere mistake of science? Mostly the root problem could be called as us, we're the one's who make everything bad. Religion is completely good and science provides proofs for great many things, science is beneficial for humanity and for religion. It's funny to hear that some shape their things as they do, oddest thing is that whatever the "others" do is
@craigpsimpson always their fault. But when it's about your own skin, it's just a "mere mistake". And even so it wasn't made by you, but what the others do is accepted by each of them. And isn't it ignorant to judge about something which you don't know?
@craigpsimpson You should remember that the eugenics run free still, it's not something "dead" as some like to think. Eugenics from Nazi Germany was taken to the U.S to make studies and researches. Upon the people who didn't know anything about what was going on, they were injected by vaccines which contained radioactive substances. Who knows what the vaccines nowadays hold inside of them? Could someone even consider that they're telling half of the truth to us?
@ThePatientMuslim It sounds like you're formulating quite the conspiracy theory. There are certain meaures for screening inheritable diseases and disorders in prospective parents, but there are no forced sterilistaions of criminals or gassing of those deemed undesirable. It would be foolish not to take the vaccines modern medicine has produced. Furthermore, a discussion of the continuation of eugenics has nothing to do with moral foundations.
@craigpsimpson These "scientists" have somewhat told publicly that they insert all sorts of things inside of these vaccines. This you can condemn as a "conspiracy theory" but when you study about these things, you come to know that our lives are not just black nor white. You have seen what happened to some people due to the vaccines which were produced as "anti-swine flu", some of the people have serious problems, others got the serious sleeping disease narcolepsy as you may already know.
@craigpsimpson Some of these people told that some of the vaccines (not the vaccine for swine flu, but others) contain cells that could carry cancer. During this interview the people started to laugh after the professor said that and said "quite bad". So are these people to be trusted? After all they don't have to tell anything to us, they just put it inside of us as the government demands so. If people aren't willing (to be tested as guinea pigs) they just present some "threat" that's about to
@craigpsimpson arrive among the communities. This is exactly what happened with swine flu, they just presented a threat, told some of the effects of this "disease" and people ran towards them so that they could be injected with stuff that wasn't even properly tested. And now we can see the results. Eugenics as many other things can continue to exist, they only go undercover and work in a way that people wouldn't pay attention. Of course you can disagree with me, but think about it. How easily
@ThePatientMuslim Again, this has nothing to do with morality. You failed to defend your initial position, so you have decided to defend a new one - some ill-concieved conspiracy linking vaccines with eugenics.
@craigpsimpson can they do, whatever they wish with us? They don't even have to take the responsibility for their mistakes, they just are and people who suffer from their mistakes have their lives totally reshaped. So if they lie about vaccines and other things, how couldn't they speak false things when it comes to things that happened thousands of years ago?
@craigpsimpson Usually more than one or two persons, but 'they' in which I referred are those who control these injections as well as developing the vaccines. Who knows that how far this chain goes? It can clearly be proven that even today they do tests to American people, without letting them knowing it. Such as releasing toxic gasses from planes, they make pipeline water non healthy, by adding subjects into it. You know it's not like the "leaders" are presented as higher than us for nothing
@craigpsimpson they can deceive and lie to us (as long as they don't get caught and even if they do, they can cover up their mistakes by blaming some parts of their chains), as they have lied about the wars in middle-East, about why they're there. You know it's like in the times of pharaohs, they did what they wished and those who were near pharaohs "level" could do the same and be protected by pharaoh. I'm not saying that science would be purely bad, but there are pretty nasty things going on
@ThePatientMuslim Who are "THEY"? You have not answered my question! You have simply continued to babble innanely about a bizarre conspiracy which is appearing increasingly delusional.
If you didn't see from the earlier posts which I've send that who're "they" then you didn't maybe see it. And if this doesn't have nothing to do with morality, that so called "scientists" hold children as worse than animals and test on them freely the things that they wish to, then what's morality? And to say that Eugenics hasn't basics in science is like saying that Crusades don't have anything to do with Christianity. Eugenics are like a branch in science, actually quite an extremist branch.
@ThePatientMuslim You are entirely misundertanding what 'science' is. As I stated at the outset, it is a methodology not an ideology. It is not motivating. Christianity is an ideology and motivating, thus the Crusades can accurately be attributed to a Christian cause - they were. Eugenicists were not motivated by science, but by their own desires and ideals - they simply applied scientific principles to achieve this: selective breeding etc.
@craigpsimpson As for your preposterous claims that children are experimented on, they are not. Your delusions would also reuire that the scientific community is somehow capable of manipulating mass-media and with pulling the strings of power - in both cases, they are not. There is no scientific conspiracy, you are paranoid and delusional. Furthermore, as I stated initially, the scientific methodology is morally neutral, religions claim to be morally infallible.
@craigpsimpson As I said before it's not like science would be throughout Eugenics, but it's a branch. It derives from it and is one kind of a ideology. Science is a way which can be used to find out more things, it can be used to benefit humanity. But as religion it too has it's "dark sides", it's mostly about the individuals. They do what they do and by their actions are others condemned too, though we should notice that individual is different than community. So if one does mistake, why brand
@ThePatientMuslim Religion is an ideology. Science is a methodology. Evil individuals within a religion have the support of scripture and an ideology which promotes the absolute moral righteousness of their actions - Christians burning witches, for example, is perfectly permissible when one examines scripture. Indeed, this practice is promoted. Religion motivates action. Science, however, is a tool, not a command. It is as morally neutral as a telescope or a hammer.
@craigpsimpson I mean that people continuously judge everyone as the same, when one or two make mistakes. Should they all be condemned? It's the same is it religion, nationality or ideology. People do a lot of mistakes, no doubt about that but people judge too much things that they really don't even know. Of course some things can be condemned or judged as bad, when there's no benefit coming from them. But to judge something without knowing more about it, is just ignorant. (This isn't completely
@craigpsimpson "behind the curtains". And even if something has happened should we forget and forgive what they did? They injected radioactive substances into children who were orphans, think about that. They don't care about children, I don't really know what they care for. But it's nothing that would benefit the humanity, wouldn't they be otherwise testing something much better? But radioactive substances and all other things, this isn't normal. If someone, like us (meaning average people)
@craigpsimpson would do something like that, what would we be facing? If we would be "worthy" enough maybe they would let us join their ranks, but if people would see someone doing such things. He or she would without a doubt die. Going into children, playing with them as they would be animals or worse. No wonder why people promote the thoughts about, us being no more than developed animals. It's almost same if you would create a robot and say that it's on the same level as you are, truth is
@craigpsimpson that animals produce things that we need for living, meat, milk, furs and all other things which are vital for our existence. Really I get it that there might be things that people view as bad and those things have relations to religions, but for saying that the other side is complete crap and claiming the other side to be totally flawless is deceiving at the first hand. It's childish and narrow minded, this is what Dawkins sadly does and he only hurts himself in the progress i.e.
@TennisAnnalyst took me a minute to look up some of those words but yea, pretty much. really its the egocentricty, or ethnocentricity perhaps, of it all that shuts them down. espeically with the muslims. the last thing they want is for the religous control to end.
He didn't address the second part of the question about putting faith in something being right or wrong. I was really interested in hearing his response, as it was a damn good question.
@TennisAnnalyst might i add? thats an intelligent question. (the video is of dawkins thus) Dawkins speaks of a "morality" evolved by the concept of altruism, which is exhibited even in some animals. Its a type of team work where by caring for others at a base level a greater survival is achieved, and in humans, intelligent, evolved animals a greater quality of life. Its the rationale of our Law system. If someone dosent share these civil motives they are "criminally insane."
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible
I think that sometimes, someone who is looking at his belief as one sided, often does not know what he/she is really asking. I think the young man really knew better then that, but he didn't take the time to really research outside of what his authoritarian figures in his religion said. Its as though he's repeating and not asking from his own opinion.
I like the way Dawkins answered that question, he was very respectful to the young religious dude. There is no such thing as absolute morality, even different religions that pray to the same God (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) have different ideas of morality. Nothing is absolute
@zfan2591, You say that nothing is absolute. Are you absolutely certain about that? Because if nothing is absolute, then even your statement cannot be absolutely certain. There is most certainly such things as absolute morality and only the one true God, God of the Holy Bible, defines what is good and what is evil. Finally, your statement about different religions believing in different ideas of morality is unfortunately true. The reason is because we are human, and we are imperfect.
@zfan2591, You say that nothing is absolute. Are you absolutely certain about that? Because if nothing is absolute, then even your statement cannot be absolutely certain. There is most certainly such things as absolute morality and only the one true God, God of the Holy Bible, defines what is good and what is evil. Finally, your statement about different religions believing in different ideas of morality is unfortunately true. The reason is because we are human, and we are imperfect.
@IntelConserV "What in atheism facilitates morality?" Nothing, the only thing I tell you when I tell you I'm an atheist is that I don't believe in a god, it doesn't tell you what my values are, what if any ideology I subscribe to.
listen to Rush ( rock band ) and the songs free will and faithless. Freewill is about having freewill in what you believe, and some lyrics like '' host of holy horrors to direct our aimless dance '' in the song freewill = religion scares us into believing in it so our lives ( aimless dance ) can be controlled. We give up our freewill for sins, commandments etc. The song Faithless by Rush has lyrics like '' I have my OWN moral compass, and I don't have faith in faith or have belief in belief ''.
@babymicrobe same here. and i was gonna think i will have another boring day in school. yes, im a grade 8 rational thinking atheist/agnostic in a catholic school full of idiots. I said it and I meant it. Richard FTW
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What a pathetic video. I was starting to think you were on to something the last time we talked, but now, I know that you are just another bible-thumping idiot. Just because matter cannot create itself, doesn't mean "GOD DID IT".
Why do we need absolute morality? We dont, how about we all just live as we want, and see how things go? Sorry that is exacly what is happening anyway
This man never answers questions. he just blabs. Atheism has no morals. there is no doctrine or moral guidlines or whatsoever.
Infact it says your should do whatever you want and as long as you do not break the laws of your country and there is no God. Well the laws of the country does not cover everything in life. It is not compulsory to donate to charity by law. But morality encourages us to help the poor. that is a simple example. Atheism will make people live like animals.
@swandike Tell me this. Is the only reason you are not out raping people, stealing from people, killing people because you believe in God? If the answer is yes, then I hope you never stop believing in God. I am a good person because people are inherently good. By suggesting that without the fear of God people would become animals and act in an evil manner you are suggesting that human beings are inherently evil. If I believed human beings were inherently evil I don't think I would want to live.
@reballare Look up Peter singer. he is an atheist and he is suggesting killing infants because he argues that infants are not fully humans, hence they can be exteminated like having an abortion. The idea of abortion and killing infats is beyond sick. Atheists think we can use reasoning and logic to live. Atheism has a hidden danger.The danger is people doing whatever they think is logical, and i see legal crimes. Christianity on the other hand preaches love and forgiveness.u choose
@reballare Look up Peter singer. he is an atheist and he is suggesting killing infants because he argues that infants are not fully humans, hence they can be exteminated like having an abortion. The idea of abortion and killing infats is beyond sick. Atheists think we can use reasoning and logic to live. Atheism has a hidden danger.The danger is people doing whatever they think is logical, and i see legal crimes.
Christianity on the other hand preaches love and forgiveness.u choose
@swandike Seriously? You are confused. In one sentence you say "atheism [has] no doctrine or moral guidelines whatsoever." Then, in the very next sentence "Infact it says you[r] should do whatever you want". What is it like living with profound cognitive dissonance?
@cablepanos doing whatever you want is not morality. It is freeing you of moral guidline. Quite the opposite. moral guidelines puts boundaries as to what you are allowed to do and what you cant. It is not a punishable law, but engraved in your conscience. so I am right to say atheism has nothing to offer in terms of morals.But you guys are supposed to be deep thinkers, why ask questions like this?
@swandike - doing what ever you want has nothing to do with Atheism - so-called religious people live by this credo just as much if not more than Atheist. The bible is one of the most immoral books ever written. It is filled with death, destruction, murder, infantacide, bigotry, approval of slavery, lies, incredible tales that cannot be true, even cannibalism!, so how can anyone say that the bible teaches morality?
@cdhanks you probably might say that about the dictionary as well. If you don’t understand the Bible, ask questions and I will gladly help you. But don’t misinterpret it.
This has to go down as one of the most articulate, erudite and fucking spot on answers I have ever heard to a religious question. Bravo Richard Dawkins!
huzanaaier 2 days ago
Sad how religion has degenerated humanity
THERANK1231 1 week ago
I lke the bit where D-to-the-W takes off his glasses.
radbarij 2 weeks ago
@radbarij Shit just got real.
TheJo4an 2 weeks ago
Long live Richard Dawkins! My hero!
UndeadTurk 1 month ago
@UndeadTurk Well you can fucking well drop dead too then!
kryckeestrooff 4 weeks ago
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn. That was some smackdown. ^_^
nfinn42 1 month ago
@nfinn42 Like you'd know LMAO, "Smackdown" That reveals more about you intelligence than anything else you could say. You're really qualified to comment, best you try to get a new brain first!
kryckeestrooff 4 weeks ago
Check and mate.
livingdeadgrl18 1 month ago
@livingdeadgrl18 Yeah Check it out, I'd bet you'd like to mate with him, right up the ass like the fagots you both are!
kryckeestrooff 4 weeks ago
@kryckeestrooff Lol, if I mated with him I wouldn't exactly be a faggot, now would I? Considering I'm a woman. What's with the vitriol?
livingdeadgrl18 4 weeks ago
@livingdeadgrl18 don't feed the trolls.
nfinn42 4 weeks ago
@livingdeadgrl18 don't feed the trolls.
nfinn42 4 weeks ago
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nfinn42 4 weeks ago
What a very very intelligent man. Although most people already knew this.
russelljenkins69 1 month ago
@russelljenkins69 Yeah I've just had a load of replies from those like him and you, and there isn't a half a brain between the lot of you! You lot twist what others say and don't even understand what this evil fucker is saying. Yeah that's Chimpanzee intelligence for you! Fuck Pigeons are smarter than apes, it's been proven many times in Scientific experiments! So their you have it Dawkins doesn't even have the intelligence of one of the most stupid birds around!
kryckeestrooff 4 weeks ago
To me it's this simple, Who would you want to deal with and have a good talk too. A person who says I will never change my mind no matter what you say, do or show me, or a person who says I am willing to have my mind and beliefs changed. That's not saying changing their mind would be easy but as I said, I know who I would rather deal with.
moety2 1 month ago
I love how religious apologists LOVE to call atheists arrogant and then turn around and openly claim to have a direct line of communication with the fairy they claim created the universe, and that we don't because we don't believe in the same bullshit they do. Pot, meet kettle. Claiming to have revealed knowledge is one of the most arrogant things I can think of!
Rabsputin 1 month ago 3
That was an impressive response.
TheNakedWombat 1 month ago
Richard Dawkins is awesome
mrstevost 1 month ago
i was about to like but then i saw there are 1337 likes
DvNezarto 1 month ago
Damn nigga fresh fresh fresh
TheC0rpsezilla 1 month ago
Rational atheists didn't make everything good in the world, rational people made everything good in the world, regardless of religion, ideology or color of the skin, the constitution and first amendment were made by people who thought religion was the worst thing to have been ever invented, founding fathers and great inventors.
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if you google christian dark ages and check the first picture you'll see why I'm not a fan ..
anyhow he's a classy and respectable debater, he should be praised by that
Xyfrag 1 month ago 2
He's really arrogent. Like he thinks he can throw out a millennia old debate by just saying that rational atheists made everything good in the world. And then somehow all theists are complete idiots. Give me a break. There are far better theistic debaters and thinkers than this guy out there and he's too cowardly to debate them.
And I like how he describes how he doesn't like absolute morality and then turns around and tries to say how he would make it. I don't see why people idolize this guy.
agarfield2004 2 months ago
@agarfield2004 Not how he would make it, how it is he never says I think this should be a moral and that should be a moral he says this is a moral in modern day times and I agree with it. Not the same thing as what you are implying
lmjustso 1 month ago
@agarfield2004 no its the other way around every religious guy gets the same look in his eyes as that muslim dude
DvNezarto 1 month ago
@agarfield2004 you have no clue what absolute morality means do you ? Because richard wasn't enforcing absolute morality . He was rather supporting a morality which changes through time due to discussion and etc .
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@elporteroful There are statistics that do NOT place Christians in a favorable light. You can keep denying those statistics or keep distorting their validity. You change none of the FACTS.
There are genuinely good Christians. They are genuinely good not because they are Christians, but in spite of it.
Atheists are not genuinely good people for fear of punishment (hell) or hopes of rewards (heaven), but simply because common sense tells us that it's the rigth way to live. It makes us happy.
SynchroTotal 2 months ago
richard talking about his emotions but we dont intrested his emotions
truth very importnant for us.
hes liar we can see that from his eyes .
rockstoper 2 months ago
@rockstoper He never once mentions any kind of emotion.
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rockstoper 2 months ago
Damn, Richard Dawkins pwnd that insignificant little muslim. LOL
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And what of the Evil Scientists who invented the Atomic Bomb, I suppose according to this wanker they were Christians not Scientists. The most evil and diabolical weapon for mass murder ever, developed by those he calls moral, but hey they were scientists so that's quite ok! You lot of morons that follow this geek are fucking mindless idiots!
kryckeestrooff 2 months ago
@kryckeestrooff Number lives saved by the polio vaccine? Suppose that was a Christian and not a Scientist O.o
TheMadCaptin 2 months ago
@TheMadCaptin Was it invented by Dorky? No! he has invented nothing but Hate and Disharmony in the world, and that is a FACT!
kryckeestrooff 4 weeks ago
@kryckeestrooff Did he say everyone who wasn't a Christian is moral? If you think he did, then you don't listen very well.
ninjajesus81 2 months ago
@ninjajesus81 No he didn't, and I never said he did! What he said because you are obviously deaf and one-eyed, is that you don't have to believe in God to have morals. I have questioned the morals of those atheists that invented the Atomic Bomb, what part of that don't you understand? Grow a fucking brain!
kryckeestrooff 4 weeks ago
@kryckeestrooff You don't have to believe in god to have morals. Belief in god has nothing to do with your morality.
Do you think all the people who worked on the Manhattan Project were atheists? They weren't.
And just because they developed a weapon to use on the enemy during war, doesn't mean they're immoral.
ninjajesus81 4 weeks ago
@ninjajesus81 please observe the "no feeding the trolls" sign until WELL outside this video thread. Thank you for your assistance. :P
nfinn42 4 weeks ago
@kryckeestrooff
Dynamite was invented to stop having to work trough rocks with pickaxes.
It was made for fast construction.
People proceeded to blow eachother up with it.
Please tell me how the inventor has anything to do with how this was used?
Picasso43967 2 months ago
@Picasso43967 Did I say Dynamite? AND Do people use Atomic bombs for construction?
Please don't try to twist what I've stated, you clearly don't have the brain power!
kryckeestrooff 4 weeks ago
@kryckeestrooff The Atomic Bomb may have been a bit far, but it was developed to win a war that religious ideology had a big part in starting. Also, nice job insulting the people who are trying to objectively improve this world for your children. I suppose you think homosexuality is a tool of the devil?
SamuraiMasenko 2 months ago
@SamuraiMasenko Bullshit if you did some research you'd find that that war was being financed by the same people on both sides, Hitler wasn't religious, he was just a hateful cunt with syphilis!
Objectively improve? WTF has this cant done? Nothing, but insult those who disagree with him!
Homosexuality is a tool of man's own sick pervertedness, get this through your thick-heads People are NOT born that way, stupid! Look up Cher's Daughter for example!
kryckeestrooff 4 weeks ago
@kryckeestrooff Gee, that isn't cherry-picking at all.
ruinawish 2 months ago
@kryckeestrooff Scientists only build what their leaders demand and pay them to build, interestingly enough in order to become a leader here in America you have to be a declared Christian. I bet you most scientists would rather build space ships to explore space, but that's not what our Christian leaders want, they want war because their holy books demand war.
GoogleVideoMan 1 month ago
@GoogleVideoMan Really then how do you explain Obama declaring himself a Muslim? Explain your way out of that World Wide known FACT! But at the same time I wouldn't call Bonesmen Christians either, that leaves both the Bushs out the picture, nor a Cuban cigar smoking Cocaine Snorting womaniser so there goes Clinton too. The last one you had that was anywhere close was Regan, and he never attacked anyone. BTW A declaration means nothing to a liar! Get you facts straight New Ager!
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kryckeestrooff 2 months ago
@xXLeoXx0731 You just got told to stuf.
xxJackeeboixx 3 months ago
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Dawkins has read the bible, he has said so in many of his videos. Ignorant fool is ignorant
MrDigitalGinger 3 months ago
@xXLeoXx0731 I have read the whole bible. I like the bit in numbers 31 17-18 where Moses scolds his army for sparing the women and children of a defeated army. Moses then tells them to kill every woman and male child but keep the girls as sex slaves. I bet you have never read the whole bible except the nice bits in the NT.The bible is a collection of bronze age myths and nothing more.
kortenful 3 months ago 18
@kortenful don't forget the bit where god struck a gang of children dead because they insulted a prophet who was walking past. What did they do, you might ask - call him a motherf*cker, spray paint a swastika on his car, shave his back and teabag him?
Nah, they just shouted, "Go up, Bald Head."
Boom, dead. God's infinite wisdom. Justice swift and justice sure. :P
nfinn42 4 weeks ago
this is my personal belief is that richard dawkins is a self entitled arrogant twit who didnt even look the guy in the eye now im a christian but i can tell you that the god i love does not want to persecute people unlike mr dawkins
sherry180441 3 months ago
@sherry180441 Dawkins didn't need to "look the guy in the eye" since his answer was for the entire audience. His stance is that the person he may "diss" in a debate will only get more religious through anger of being humiliated by him, but other religious people watching, who aren't directly attacked, would think "hey, I don't want to get an ass wooping like that, maybe I should think things over". So yeah, Dawkins' words were for all, knowing that the Muslim guy wouldn't change his mind.
Wotanraven 3 months ago
Religion has its advantages
1.It makes money from gullible people.
2. It`s useful for controlling whole populations.
3. It helps child abusers operate undetected for decades
Apart from the above examples religion is a disease. Dawkins and rational thought is the cure.
kortenful 3 months ago
Prisons are loaded with athiest what the heck are we gonna do.
MrBugs1983 3 months ago
@MrBugs1983 Actually, only 0.2% of the american prison population are atheists. Whereas it is estimated that 10%-15% of the general population are atheists. This shows an extreme tendency for atheists to be law-abiding citizens in relation to the religious community, where the prison population is higher than the general population.
cm3007235 3 months ago 13
@cm3007235 You realize that taking self-reporting data here is very unlikely to yield accurate results, right? Anti-nonbeliever prejudice is the strongest bias in America, easily beating racism. And prisons are full of violent self-described "Christians". What place could be LESS safe to profess atheism, than in a prison?! If I went to prison, I would fake a religious conversion *immediately*. :P
nfinn42 4 weeks ago
@nfinn42 Oh I agree of course, it is going to be wildly inaccurate, that's why I only use those statistics when people claim that atheists have no morals, or are morally inferior to religious people (I'm sure you are familiar with the garbage that goes on).
cm3007235 4 weeks ago
@cm3007235 indeed, as an agnostic, I find it *intensely* irritating when the religious blandly assume, or baldly state, that my non-adherence to their belief system disqualifies me from having any sense of values, morality, or ethics. As if a rational, free-willed adult could not construct a self-consistent, internal moral philosophy from first principles of altruism! Just because *they* need carrots and sticks after death, they assume everyone is equally unimaginative... :P
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My point isn't that atheists are violent, though. I'd imagine there may be as high a percentage as 5% atheists in prison. We have no way of knowing, though, since there are no reliable sources of information on prisoners' beliefs. Unless you are in a gang that supports your faith / lack thereof, your answer is whatever does best at keeping a shank out of your ribcage for another week.
nfinn42 4 weeks ago
I actually think we need to bring back the death penalty.
MrBugs1983 3 months ago
Ethics and morality are not the sole properties of religion[s].
:D*
ArcadePerfect 3 months ago
@ArcadePerfect So they're not for making people better. Then what are they for? Historical lies? Scientific lies? Tall tales?
AMpufnstuf 3 months ago
20 people sincerely hate the idea of thought out and debated morality? Really?
aquatix 4 months ago
Forgive me, but I've never actually heard Richard Dawkins say anything that hasn't been said on every message board by every somewhat thoughtful atheist. He just says it in a polite British accent.
His ideas are not advanced or profound. He's actually quite basic. If this is the leader of rational thought, we are not as far along as we like to believe.
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"Forgive me, but I've never actually heard Richard Dawkins say anything that hasn't been said on every message board by every somewhat thoughtful atheist"
Well yes this is mostly true, to some extend because allot of atheists repeat what he says.
But have you read his book's ? Those are quite substantial.
Remember that television shows are somewhat limiting partly because of time restraints and partly because everything gets dummed down so that the more simpleminded can follow.
unamaxify 4 months ago
SIck em Richard grrll.
gr8vibes2 4 months ago
Ouch!!! Must be rationality!
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
I would love to hear Dawkins talk live, he is brilliant
deathman1021 4 months ago
Richard, you are asking for imperfection. You are not asking for perfection. You don't want perfection. You get what you ask for.
It reminds me of something God said, He said it is a good thing to ask for a more personal God talking to us Man to man. None of this fire smoke and thunder kind of a thing. God said that we should listen to this Man when He comes.
If only people were not so afraid of the truth, the world would be a much better place.
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JungleJargon 4 months ago
*glasses come off*
this s%%t just got real!
go Sir Dawkins!
DemoraX 4 months ago 2
@Mcnasty6w Stalin abolished religion so that he could establish a CULT of personality; he wanted the people to look at HIM as a god. He looked at religion as a rival power source, he was greedy for power and thus, he abolished religion. ATHEISM is the ABSENCE of belief in any god. It is NOT the belief that you ARE a god. That's just crazy; just as crazy as believing in a god in the first place.
dkthg 4 months ago
isn't dawkins also cherry-picking when he takes some horrible examples completely out of context?
Gallard42 4 months ago
@Gallard42 To an extent, yes. But the point is they are all absolute judgements from various religous texts. Any theist who considers their morals superior to secular ideals therefor has to find some way of rationalising these " truths". Atheists don't have to cherry pick their moral code as they do not begin with a bronze-age starting point.
XtalQRP 4 months ago
@Gallard42 - Demonstrate how Exodus 21:20-21 can be taken out of context and demonstrate how that is absolute morality...
aquatix 4 months ago
@aquatix Actually your posting is a great demonstration on how to take a part of the bible out of context.
The bible doesn't say that this specific rule is absolute morality. It was a law for a group of people (Israel) at a specific point of time (thousands of years ago) (Exodus 21:1). And, believe it or not, this law was (for this time) a step forward (killing your slave was not forbidden before).
What you did is exactly the cherry-picking, Dawkings critized. Just in the other direction.
Gallard42 4 months ago
@Gallard42 - I don't feel I've taken it out of context and you obviously agreed with me. The point remains that there are some rather absurd bits in the Bible. Yes, it's easy to say 'look at this nice line, it represents the love god gives'. Using Jay Fry's example, it's like a burglar in court; of course you're going to refer to that burglary or that murder. You're not going to congratulate me for the many slaves I spared.
aquatix 4 months ago
@Gallard42 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Dude, do a YouTube search on the word "context" with three exclamation points after it. In other words, search for "context!!!"
The animated video wth the yellow background is totally for you.
RCRhythm 3 months ago
when dawkins takes his glasses off you know an ass whoopin is about to take place lol
asseeninYOURDREAMS 4 months ago
Cherry Pick? haha, ignorant to the bible. We don't leave out any of the horrible bits. We believe in the moral philosophy and rationale thinking of Jesus, who put away with the ignorance of the times before Him and some of the things we were doing until even now.
jselvrom 4 months ago
Animals kill each other. According to evolution, we are animals. Sure, we are more evolved, and have a more evolved set of morality (if you can say animals have a morality), but the fact still remains that accordiing to the Theory of Evolution and Natural Selection (which I realize are not the same thing, but they go hand in hand), we are animals, and there is no particular reason why we shouldn't be able to kill each other.
underfan15 4 months ago
@underfan15
Do yourself a favor and look up "game theory" or "decision theory." Also, look up anything relating to the writings that influenced Thomas Jefferson and the other founding fathers as they pieced together our system of government. As it turned out, they believed most people would be willing to give up their right to murder if only to make it wrong for someone else to do so as well. Reasonable, I think, with no need of any superstitious input to get to that conclusion.
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youneekk 4 months ago
modern people have a morality that is reasoned, kind, believes in the equality of women, and the immorality of slavery?! really?
bullshite. there are more slaves on the planet now than there ever were (child sex slaves), governments (supposedly 'the people') are exploiting, arming and bombing the third world into oblivion and operate by force. we don't even think about it. i think secualr 'morality' is only slightly less fucked up than religious extremist nutjobs.
immayhem 4 months ago
@immayhem most people aren't aware of it. that's the problem. not that people don't care.
hardinmichael1981 4 months ago
R.D.O.D.
GalaEvent 4 months ago
No one could of giving a better answer than that... lol
MarcowaR 4 months ago
The only reason why Darwin's Theory Of Evolution was called Darwin's Theory Of Evolution, was because the Catholic Church would've taken his head if he had indeed labeled his theory as proven fact. Which it should be deemed today.
What i find shocking is that man created the concept of god to explain the world around him, then man became ruled by a plagiarized and subverted version of the imaginary concept and now in 2011 still believes in that which he created to govern himself. Delusional.
deetails 4 months ago
When Dawkins takes his glasses off, you know shits about to get real..
ASKHIMY2J 4 months ago 157
@ASKHIMY2J LOL, so true!
livingdeadgrl18 1 month ago
Dawkins for Nobel Peace Prize!
come on, Obama got one for less!
nazmibest 4 months ago 3
As usual a wonderfully eloquent soliloquy.
intruder313 4 months ago 2
It doesn't get any more clearer or any more meaningful than this. Hail the secular revolution.
BBMix 4 months ago
don't get him started on the jews
arkonastriborg123 4 months ago
I've got nothing against this guy, or he's views. But he's doing one thing wrong, pointing at religion as the base of evil things. While he completely ignores Eugenics, if you come to know more about eugenics you start to think that why doesn't the scientists mention it nowadays? Do they still support it? And if they are and you're supporting them, then it's like supporting the oppressors. Peace.
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@ThePatientMuslim Eugenics was the hideously immoral apllication of selective breeding to humans. Science was not motivation, but rather, application. The scientific method is morally neutral, it is a tool. Religion, on the other hand, propounds the absolute moral value of arbitrary and often condemnable actions. It is a motivation toward evil. Science is not. Eugenics was simply an application of a methodology, one that we all oppose.
craigpsimpson 4 months ago 3
@craigpsimpson But you don't see how blind it's to say that other is completely bad and that it "promotes" evil actions, whereas eugenics was a mere mistake of science? Mostly the root problem could be called as us, we're the one's who make everything bad. Religion is completely good and science provides proofs for great many things, science is beneficial for humanity and for religion. It's funny to hear that some shape their things as they do, oddest thing is that whatever the "others" do is
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@craigpsimpson always their fault. But when it's about your own skin, it's just a "mere mistake". And even so it wasn't made by you, but what the others do is accepted by each of them. And isn't it ignorant to judge about something which you don't know?
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@craigpsimpson You should remember that the eugenics run free still, it's not something "dead" as some like to think. Eugenics from Nazi Germany was taken to the U.S to make studies and researches. Upon the people who didn't know anything about what was going on, they were injected by vaccines which contained radioactive substances. Who knows what the vaccines nowadays hold inside of them? Could someone even consider that they're telling half of the truth to us?
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@ThePatientMuslim It sounds like you're formulating quite the conspiracy theory. There are certain meaures for screening inheritable diseases and disorders in prospective parents, but there are no forced sterilistaions of criminals or gassing of those deemed undesirable. It would be foolish not to take the vaccines modern medicine has produced. Furthermore, a discussion of the continuation of eugenics has nothing to do with moral foundations.
craigpsimpson 4 months ago 3
@craigpsimpson These "scientists" have somewhat told publicly that they insert all sorts of things inside of these vaccines. This you can condemn as a "conspiracy theory" but when you study about these things, you come to know that our lives are not just black nor white. You have seen what happened to some people due to the vaccines which were produced as "anti-swine flu", some of the people have serious problems, others got the serious sleeping disease narcolepsy as you may already know.
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@craigpsimpson Some of these people told that some of the vaccines (not the vaccine for swine flu, but others) contain cells that could carry cancer. During this interview the people started to laugh after the professor said that and said "quite bad". So are these people to be trusted? After all they don't have to tell anything to us, they just put it inside of us as the government demands so. If people aren't willing (to be tested as guinea pigs) they just present some "threat" that's about to
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@craigpsimpson arrive among the communities. This is exactly what happened with swine flu, they just presented a threat, told some of the effects of this "disease" and people ran towards them so that they could be injected with stuff that wasn't even properly tested. And now we can see the results. Eugenics as many other things can continue to exist, they only go undercover and work in a way that people wouldn't pay attention. Of course you can disagree with me, but think about it. How easily
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@ThePatientMuslim Again, this has nothing to do with morality. You failed to defend your initial position, so you have decided to defend a new one - some ill-concieved conspiracy linking vaccines with eugenics.
craigpsimpson 4 months ago
@craigpsimpson can they do, whatever they wish with us? They don't even have to take the responsibility for their mistakes, they just are and people who suffer from their mistakes have their lives totally reshaped. So if they lie about vaccines and other things, how couldn't they speak false things when it comes to things that happened thousands of years ago?
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@ThePatientMuslim Who are 'they'?
craigpsimpson 4 months ago
@craigpsimpson Usually more than one or two persons, but 'they' in which I referred are those who control these injections as well as developing the vaccines. Who knows that how far this chain goes? It can clearly be proven that even today they do tests to American people, without letting them knowing it. Such as releasing toxic gasses from planes, they make pipeline water non healthy, by adding subjects into it. You know it's not like the "leaders" are presented as higher than us for nothing
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@craigpsimpson they can deceive and lie to us (as long as they don't get caught and even if they do, they can cover up their mistakes by blaming some parts of their chains), as they have lied about the wars in middle-East, about why they're there. You know it's like in the times of pharaohs, they did what they wished and those who were near pharaohs "level" could do the same and be protected by pharaoh. I'm not saying that science would be purely bad, but there are pretty nasty things going on
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@ThePatientMuslim Who are "THEY"? You have not answered my question! You have simply continued to babble innanely about a bizarre conspiracy which is appearing increasingly delusional.
craigpsimpson 4 months ago
If you didn't see from the earlier posts which I've send that who're "they" then you didn't maybe see it. And if this doesn't have nothing to do with morality, that so called "scientists" hold children as worse than animals and test on them freely the things that they wish to, then what's morality? And to say that Eugenics hasn't basics in science is like saying that Crusades don't have anything to do with Christianity. Eugenics are like a branch in science, actually quite an extremist branch.
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@ThePatientMuslim You are entirely misundertanding what 'science' is. As I stated at the outset, it is a methodology not an ideology. It is not motivating. Christianity is an ideology and motivating, thus the Crusades can accurately be attributed to a Christian cause - they were. Eugenicists were not motivated by science, but by their own desires and ideals - they simply applied scientific principles to achieve this: selective breeding etc.
craigpsimpson 4 months ago
@craigpsimpson As for your preposterous claims that children are experimented on, they are not. Your delusions would also reuire that the scientific community is somehow capable of manipulating mass-media and with pulling the strings of power - in both cases, they are not. There is no scientific conspiracy, you are paranoid and delusional. Furthermore, as I stated initially, the scientific methodology is morally neutral, religions claim to be morally infallible.
craigpsimpson 4 months ago
@craigpsimpson As I said before it's not like science would be throughout Eugenics, but it's a branch. It derives from it and is one kind of a ideology. Science is a way which can be used to find out more things, it can be used to benefit humanity. But as religion it too has it's "dark sides", it's mostly about the individuals. They do what they do and by their actions are others condemned too, though we should notice that individual is different than community. So if one does mistake, why brand
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@ThePatientMuslim Religion is an ideology. Science is a methodology. Evil individuals within a religion have the support of scripture and an ideology which promotes the absolute moral righteousness of their actions - Christians burning witches, for example, is perfectly permissible when one examines scripture. Indeed, this practice is promoted. Religion motivates action. Science, however, is a tool, not a command. It is as morally neutral as a telescope or a hammer.
craigpsimpson 4 months ago 35
@craigpsimpson Well explained. I could say more but I feel like I don't have to.
ForYeensSake 4 months ago 3
@craigpsimpson why does there have to be a law that humans have to obey to live there lives ?
DvNezarto 1 month ago
@DvNezarto I did not say there did have to be such a law.
craigpsimpson 1 month ago
@craigpsimpson everyone as the same?
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@ThePatientMuslim What is that question directed towards?
craigpsimpson 4 months ago
@craigpsimpson I mean that people continuously judge everyone as the same, when one or two make mistakes. Should they all be condemned? It's the same is it religion, nationality or ideology. People do a lot of mistakes, no doubt about that but people judge too much things that they really don't even know. Of course some things can be condemned or judged as bad, when there's no benefit coming from them. But to judge something without knowing more about it, is just ignorant. (This isn't completely
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@craigpsimpson completely pointed at you, but humanity as whole.)
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@ThePatientMuslim What about humanity as a whole? You have to qualify your questions a little better.
craigpsimpson 4 months ago
@craigpsimpson Sorry man, the texts doesn't fit completely so you have to watch the comment before that comment, it's down there.
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ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@craigpsimpson "behind the curtains". And even if something has happened should we forget and forgive what they did? They injected radioactive substances into children who were orphans, think about that. They don't care about children, I don't really know what they care for. But it's nothing that would benefit the humanity, wouldn't they be otherwise testing something much better? But radioactive substances and all other things, this isn't normal. If someone, like us (meaning average people)
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@craigpsimpson would do something like that, what would we be facing? If we would be "worthy" enough maybe they would let us join their ranks, but if people would see someone doing such things. He or she would without a doubt die. Going into children, playing with them as they would be animals or worse. No wonder why people promote the thoughts about, us being no more than developed animals. It's almost same if you would create a robot and say that it's on the same level as you are, truth is
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@craigpsimpson that animals produce things that we need for living, meat, milk, furs and all other things which are vital for our existence. Really I get it that there might be things that people view as bad and those things have relations to religions, but for saying that the other side is complete crap and claiming the other side to be totally flawless is deceiving at the first hand. It's childish and narrow minded, this is what Dawkins sadly does and he only hurts himself in the progress i.e.
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst took me a minute to look up some of those words but yea, pretty much. really its the egocentricty, or ethnocentricity perhaps, of it all that shuts them down. espeically with the muslims. the last thing they want is for the religous control to end.
cycophile 4 months ago
what an elegant poetic answer! 5/5
farerse 4 months ago 40
He didn't address the second part of the question about putting faith in something being right or wrong. I was really interested in hearing his response, as it was a damn good question.
yeti60 4 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst might i add? thats an intelligent question. (the video is of dawkins thus) Dawkins speaks of a "morality" evolved by the concept of altruism, which is exhibited even in some animals. Its a type of team work where by caring for others at a base level a greater survival is achieved, and in humans, intelligent, evolved animals a greater quality of life. Its the rationale of our Law system. If someone dosent share these civil motives they are "criminally insane."
cycophile 4 months ago
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Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible
SpencerBenedict2nd 4 months ago
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I think that sometimes, someone who is looking at his belief as one sided, often does not know what he/she is really asking. I think the young man really knew better then that, but he didn't take the time to really research outside of what his authoritarian figures in his religion said. Its as though he's repeating and not asking from his own opinion.
truvelocity 4 months ago
@ChocolateTeaPot100 Lmao! The guy had his ass handed to him by Dawkins.
LordVader89 4 months ago
The way he takes off his glasses is epic
RobBrooksMusic 4 months ago
I like the way Dawkins answered that question, he was very respectful to the young religious dude. There is no such thing as absolute morality, even different religions that pray to the same God (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) have different ideas of morality. Nothing is absolute
zfan2591 5 months ago
@zfan2591, You say that nothing is absolute. Are you absolutely certain about that? Because if nothing is absolute, then even your statement cannot be absolutely certain. There is most certainly such things as absolute morality and only the one true God, God of the Holy Bible, defines what is good and what is evil. Finally, your statement about different religions believing in different ideas of morality is unfortunately true. The reason is because we are human, and we are imperfect.
JoeDissmeyer 4 months ago
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@zfan2591, You say that nothing is absolute. Are you absolutely certain about that? Because if nothing is absolute, then even your statement cannot be absolutely certain. There is most certainly such things as absolute morality and only the one true God, God of the Holy Bible, defines what is good and what is evil. Finally, your statement about different religions believing in different ideas of morality is unfortunately true. The reason is because we are human, and we are imperfect.
JoeDissmeyer 4 months ago
@IntelConserV I would have reply to the rest of your comment, but you have closed your account, so I won't waste my time.
mortensjoegren 5 months ago
@IntelConserV "What in atheism facilitates morality?" Nothing, the only thing I tell you when I tell you I'm an atheist is that I don't believe in a god, it doesn't tell you what my values are, what if any ideology I subscribe to.
mortensjoegren 5 months ago
rrrrrrriped
syco50 5 months ago
listen to Rush ( rock band ) and the songs free will and faithless. Freewill is about having freewill in what you believe, and some lyrics like '' host of holy horrors to direct our aimless dance '' in the song freewill = religion scares us into believing in it so our lives ( aimless dance ) can be controlled. We give up our freewill for sins, commandments etc. The song Faithless by Rush has lyrics like '' I have my OWN moral compass, and I don't have faith in faith or have belief in belief ''.
migueleato 5 months ago
Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Professor Dawkins, you made my day.
babymicrobe 5 months ago 2
@babymicrobe same here. and i was gonna think i will have another boring day in school. yes, im a grade 8 rational thinking atheist/agnostic in a catholic school full of idiots. I said it and I meant it. Richard FTW
migueleato 5 months ago 15
@migueleato I decided i was atheist around the same age
iMaNeRDsc2 4 months ago
@iMaNeRDsc2 true
migueleato 4 months ago
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lightandbeautiful 5 months ago
Dawkins has no idea of what absolute perfection is.
watch?v=qZev7hb40uk
JungleJargon 5 months ago
@JungleJargon
What a pathetic video. I was starting to think you were on to something the last time we talked, but now, I know that you are just another bible-thumping idiot. Just because matter cannot create itself, doesn't mean "GOD DID IT".
NorthCitySider 5 months ago
hahaha that lil bitch got owned...stupid ass question the way he phrased it anyway
adda241 5 months ago
Did you hear that "What?" in the background? That cracked me up.
BrutalValor 5 months ago
When Dawkins takes off his glasses you know shits about to go down . . .
youxknowxyouxluvxit 5 months ago
The best 2 minutes and 31 seconds you will find on youtube !
asic45 5 months ago
Why do we need absolute morality? We dont, how about we all just live as we want, and see how things go? Sorry that is exacly what is happening anyway
peterb1968 5 months ago
This man never answers questions. he just blabs. Atheism has no morals. there is no doctrine or moral guidlines or whatsoever.
Infact it says your should do whatever you want and as long as you do not break the laws of your country and there is no God. Well the laws of the country does not cover everything in life. It is not compulsory to donate to charity by law. But morality encourages us to help the poor. that is a simple example. Atheism will make people live like animals.
swandike 5 months ago
@swandike Tell me this. Is the only reason you are not out raping people, stealing from people, killing people because you believe in God? If the answer is yes, then I hope you never stop believing in God. I am a good person because people are inherently good. By suggesting that without the fear of God people would become animals and act in an evil manner you are suggesting that human beings are inherently evil. If I believed human beings were inherently evil I don't think I would want to live.
reballare 5 months ago
@reballare Look up Peter singer. he is an atheist and he is suggesting killing infants because he argues that infants are not fully humans, hence they can be exteminated like having an abortion. The idea of abortion and killing infats is beyond sick. Atheists think we can use reasoning and logic to live. Atheism has a hidden danger.The danger is people doing whatever they think is logical, and i see legal crimes. Christianity on the other hand preaches love and forgiveness.u choose
swandike 5 months ago
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@reballare Look up Peter singer. he is an atheist and he is suggesting killing infants because he argues that infants are not fully humans, hence they can be exteminated like having an abortion. The idea of abortion and killing infats is beyond sick. Atheists think we can use reasoning and logic to live. Atheism has a hidden danger.The danger is people doing whatever they think is logical, and i see legal crimes.
Christianity on the other hand preaches love and forgiveness.u choose
swandike 5 months ago
@swandike Seriously? You are confused. In one sentence you say "atheism [has] no doctrine or moral guidelines whatsoever." Then, in the very next sentence "Infact it says you[r] should do whatever you want". What is it like living with profound cognitive dissonance?
cablepanos 5 months ago
@cablepanos doing whatever you want is not morality. It is freeing you of moral guidline. Quite the opposite. moral guidelines puts boundaries as to what you are allowed to do and what you cant. It is not a punishable law, but engraved in your conscience. so I am right to say atheism has nothing to offer in terms of morals.But you guys are supposed to be deep thinkers, why ask questions like this?
swandike 5 months ago
@swandike - doing what ever you want has nothing to do with Atheism - so-called religious people live by this credo just as much if not more than Atheist. The bible is one of the most immoral books ever written. It is filled with death, destruction, murder, infantacide, bigotry, approval of slavery, lies, incredible tales that cannot be true, even cannibalism!, so how can anyone say that the bible teaches morality?
cdhanks 5 months ago
@cdhanks you probably might say that about the dictionary as well. If you don’t understand the Bible, ask questions and I will gladly help you. But don’t misinterpret it.
swandike 5 months ago