I appreciate the subject matter that you're addressing, I hope that the sound in the trailer isn't indicative of the whole piece because it's very hard to understand some of the interviews with the people you really want to hear from. Maybe check your levels in the mix before you throw it out there. thanks again for your work.
@lubetubeful "Sewer water" is actually amazingly clean. It is, by law, mandatorily tested daily for pathogens daily. The water that is purchased by consumers for $2 is, on the other hand, is not held to nearly the same standards that "sewer water" is.
Relating the Snowbowl expansion to enslament is somewhat like comparing BMW's efforts to produce automobiles to Nazi Germany's tyranny. Next time you take an Aspirin by Bayer, remember the company is a spin-off of IGF, which produced Zyklon B...
They say the mountains are sacred and no one should descrate them, but the highways through the reservation they live on is littered with broken glass and litter. The native Americans should look to clean up their own backyard before trying to cram it down everyone else's throat.
Let them make snow, jesus its not a big fucking deal. I seriously think you have no better reason to fight it beside the fact that we took youre land years ago and anything us white people do is evil. You can have casinos and take peoples fortunes away and well spray some snow on youre lil mountain that is pretty shitty enough anyway. Indians are ruining the Ski Scene in Arizona. Sunrise is complete shit because a tribe owns it, and now snowbowl is making an effort to improve. Let them be.
The Navajo call everything sacred, and then don't use it at all. It's bullshit. You can't rock climb on Shiprock, because it's 'sacred' but if you go there, it's covered in trash. THey're just bitching for the sake of bitching.
Your just playing ignorant! I am a Navajo, a traditionalist, we believe in mother earth and father sky. Not all people disrespect the lands. The reason we "bitch" about the lands is because it is ours; The Navajo people were here long before the white immigrants and Spaniards came to kill off our people. We have survive more than 400 years of death from these sickening people; Today I am happy to say we are 300,000 strong and growing.
Hey everyone here. I live there. I understand the natives and all but it does not matter. This is Arizona Snowbowl property. They own less then 1% of the kachina peaks. Everything will take place inside their 800 acres. NOthing outside of that will be touched. Also the white moutain apaches dont want competition.
@CHARKELLYAZ1818 how can it be there property if it is stolen all you white people argue over land saying this is our how is it really yours unless you people are natives
The Native American people have long live in the vast lands east, south, west, and north. I don't see you people who complain live in the area, sure you drive by it on 1-40 and 1-17, and thats about it. Our medicines come from this mountain, it purifies our body. Yet you guys say LA drinks reclaim water, mabe that is why there are millions of diseases in that area. We are Native Americans of the United States, and the rest are "Illegal Immigrants!" United Nations of Native America!
The Native American people have long live in the vast lands east, south, west, and north. I don't see you people who complain live in the area, sure you drive by it on 1-40 and 1-17, and thats about it. Our medicines come from this mountain, it purifies our body. Yet you guys say LA drinks reclaim water, mabe that is why there are millions of diseases in that area. We are Native Americans of the United States, and the rest are "Illegal Immigrants!" United Nations of Native America!
I think it isn`t important if the water is dirty or that they in Los Angeles drinks reclaimed water. It`s a sacred mountain for many tribes and I think you should respect that.
You can be a pure blood native but if you don`t engourage their views you aren`t a native.
Although its difficult to respond to such ignorance, your comments really identify and uphold the credibility of Snowbowl support. Did you listen to the appeal hearing?Judges in the 9th Circuit very clearly stated that this "SEWER WATER" was of great concern to public health. You have to love the one where they accuse the Snowbowl attorney of "double talk."
Where do you get your information from? FACT: The White Mountain Apache do not use wastewater to make snow.
Your comments are indicative of the bigoted realities that we as Indigenous peoples still face today. You claim to be Cherokee on top of all this? Maybe another person who's Grandma was a princess?
Its just amazing to see some of the comments on this film. My view is that there should be no snowmaking at all, thats because of my cultural views, its sacred to me and my people and is something that we have to protect. People can say as many hateful comments as they want, its not going to change our views, were stil going to fight to protect what is sacred to our people. Also the courts decided not to have any snowmaking...so people back off and get a life.
Our sacred sites are important and just because its not on the rezervation doesnt mean that it doesnt hold any symbolism to native people. We are first Nations people....we have every right to be here...more than any proabaly because our culture and religion are tied to the earth.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
and that descision is being appealed... so pick up the paper and see what is going on... oh wait they dont get the paper in tee pee's do they?? snowbowl WILL get snowmaking approved... and i hope just for your sake they cover the whole mountain with ski runs...
P.S.
Shouldnt you be building a casino instead of typing comments on youtube?
I can see that you are just another racist and ignorant person in the world and no wonder this world is screwed up, its because of people like you.and my tribe doesnt have a casino and i dont go to one, i dont even have a tee pee as you say. I guess you just have a lack of education...so sad (and i do read the news paper...you know why they are wanting to appeal its because their scared of what this will mean them) so take that asshole because we will not stop protecting what is sacred to us
the word "asshole", is that a sacred word? and you say i have a lack of education. 7 years at ASU. whats your education? i didnt see any univ's up there on second mesa. and even though your tribe may not have a casino, the other tribes you have banded with like the white mountain apaches,they have a few casinos and use reclaimed water for snowmaking on there mountain.
you say im racist? WHITE POWER! im talking about the color of snow obviously not people. im 1/4 cherokee. so i think it would be pretty hard for me to be racist against myself
Well lets see I'm a junior at Northern Arizona University and next year I'm graduating. And when am I from second mesa? and the whole white mountain apache snowmaking on there mountian is different from this. You might as well be white since your 1/4 cherokee and dont even support other indigenous tribes.
Provide more substance in your comment to establish why snowmaking with treated sewage effluent on a sacred mountain is "needed" before you cry "ignorance".
As far as I can see neither one of us owns the mountian, mother earth owns it. As we Natives have a culture of much more complexity than just a "story" in a book, this mountian is our culture.
Theyre greedy!They only wanna snowboard on it for themselves!Culturally snowboarding has always been Native and us honkies are proud that you shared this piece of culture with us.Actually..WTF am I talking about?I hope the government gives this sacred land back and fucking bitch slaps those greed driven corporation fuckers!
You all talk about respect yet you don't respect the people that find sanctuary in snowboarding or skiing. Did God give you those mountains? Simply because your beliefs tell you that a god you've never met made these mountains and gave them to you.
Okay, so let me get this straight, 1.) I need a "story" or a "God" that does not exist to tell my people and our culture what we own and 2.) I know nothing of respect because your "people" took over our land and claim everything in your path as your own and yet we are able to deal with your "world" that corrupts and destorys our lives through government and religion. I know enough respect to know that snowboarding is nothing but a "materialistic" hobby.
Nah I was just fucking around with that last comment because thats what you act like we are shallow naive white people ahah so you refer to your people normally but you say we arnt people and put our name in quotes and as for the bullshit cliche excuse of "your people took our land" that is the most fucking retarded thing I have ever heard do I look like Im wearing a white curly wig and I live in the 1700s?
No actually I am a quarter native american and seeing my fellow people acting like biased pieces of shit makes me sick.Don't ever say we took your land again you dumb mother fucker its not like america on a whole sat down and were like hey we're going to fuck some indians over!
I respect religon but I dont respect religon for your stupid fucking corporate monopoly of trying to save the white mountains. Fuck you I have no respect for you if you refer to people that live in america as "people" what gives you such divine power to be the only ones that matter? I've lost all respect for the tribes because of the way you've displayed yourself as an ambassador to this issue.
i see racial slurs on both ends, but what do i know im just an ileagle imagrant of a superior culture who took over america paying for it blood and defended it in blood... more white americans have died for this country than native americans have lived here. Get a grip you over grown drunks, if any one can show me a socail group that was taken over and concured, and still given free money and land then fuck me silly ill vote with the natives
Shut the Fuck up stennal. Millions upon millions died on these lands for the sole reason of being indigenous. Who knows how many more brave warriors have died during these 500+ years of European occupation. WE'RE STILL FIGHTING! DON'T GET IT TWISTED!
Is it too hard to just ask that the community of Kin Lání (Flagstaff) not used Waste Water.. I mean Dook'o'oslííd (San Francisco Peak) is sacred too me cause when I drive back from Hoozdoh (Phoenix) once I see Dook'o'oslííd I know Dine Bike'yah (Navajo Nation) is just behind that mountain.
And once I drive throught the pass along 89 I never forget to greet my mother and tell her that her son has come home.
I appreciate the subject matter that you're addressing, I hope that the sound in the trailer isn't indicative of the whole piece because it's very hard to understand some of the interviews with the people you really want to hear from. Maybe check your levels in the mix before you throw it out there. thanks again for your work.
johnkingdavid 5 months ago
@lubetubeful "Sewer water" is actually amazingly clean. It is, by law, mandatorily tested daily for pathogens daily. The water that is purchased by consumers for $2 is, on the other hand, is not held to nearly the same standards that "sewer water" is.
Relating the Snowbowl expansion to enslament is somewhat like comparing BMW's efforts to produce automobiles to Nazi Germany's tyranny. Next time you take an Aspirin by Bayer, remember the company is a spin-off of IGF, which produced Zyklon B...
lukesterification 5 months ago
They say the mountains are sacred and no one should descrate them, but the highways through the reservation they live on is littered with broken glass and litter. The native Americans should look to clean up their own backyard before trying to cram it down everyone else's throat.
georgert 6 months ago
@georgert not to mention stray dogs...
lukesterification 5 months ago
Let them make snow, jesus its not a big fucking deal. I seriously think you have no better reason to fight it beside the fact that we took youre land years ago and anything us white people do is evil. You can have casinos and take peoples fortunes away and well spray some snow on youre lil mountain that is pretty shitty enough anyway. Indians are ruining the Ski Scene in Arizona. Sunrise is complete shit because a tribe owns it, and now snowbowl is making an effort to improve. Let them be.
MrBobbyBrew 9 months ago
Ignorance is the correct term for that guy. Why would we do this? We won't!
annmariez11 11 months ago
Go snowbowl! Bring more money to flagstaff and more fun.
Reelcool74 1 year ago
I'm not sure why I should be moved that some group considers the mountains "sacred". I mean, there's already a ski resort there, right?
I'm more interested in the long-term health effects of using the wastewater.
prothonotar 2 years ago
We will prevail and once again dominate our land, and by God we will claim our lands back including the San Francisco Peak
tyjnez 2 years ago
So you can make some money from it or can non-native people stay on those lands and follow the " natural life " when you get your lands back ?
eursweet7 2 years ago
The Navajo call everything sacred, and then don't use it at all. It's bullshit. You can't rock climb on Shiprock, because it's 'sacred' but if you go there, it's covered in trash. THey're just bitching for the sake of bitching.
dcsolorunner 2 years ago
Your just playing ignorant! I am a Navajo, a traditionalist, we believe in mother earth and father sky. Not all people disrespect the lands. The reason we "bitch" about the lands is because it is ours; The Navajo people were here long before the white immigrants and Spaniards came to kill off our people. We have survive more than 400 years of death from these sickening people; Today I am happy to say we are 300,000 strong and growing.
tyjnez 2 years ago
Hey everyone here. I live there. I understand the natives and all but it does not matter. This is Arizona Snowbowl property. They own less then 1% of the kachina peaks. Everything will take place inside their 800 acres. NOthing outside of that will be touched. Also the white moutain apaches dont want competition.
CHARKELLYAZ1818 3 years ago
@CHARKELLYAZ1818 how can it be there property if it is stolen all you white people argue over land saying this is our how is it really yours unless you people are natives
zhoni2004 1 year ago
@CHARKELLYAZ1818 I think you hit the nail with the hammer. Snowbowl expansion will kill Sunrise's business.
lukesterification 5 months ago
aww poor sacred mountain that is going to marketing
what ass holes hahah
uhh yeh
to bad tat you make money from it anyways so stop bitching
odin2free 3 years ago
The Native American people have long live in the vast lands east, south, west, and north. I don't see you people who complain live in the area, sure you drive by it on 1-40 and 1-17, and thats about it. Our medicines come from this mountain, it purifies our body. Yet you guys say LA drinks reclaim water, mabe that is why there are millions of diseases in that area. We are Native Americans of the United States, and the rest are "Illegal Immigrants!" United Nations of Native America!
tjaynez 4 years ago
I agree brother, we are the Indigenous Nations of Anahuac, the rest are the Illegal Immigrants!
Xalixco 3 years ago 2
I've never met an indian who was healthier than me..ever. No sacred mountain medecine can help diabetes nad your fastfood habit fucktard.
dcsolorunner 2 years ago
The Native American people have long live in the vast lands east, south, west, and north. I don't see you people who complain live in the area, sure you drive by it on 1-40 and 1-17, and thats about it. Our medicines come from this mountain, it purifies our body. Yet you guys say LA drinks reclaim water, mabe that is why there are millions of diseases in that area. We are Native Americans of the United States, and the rest are "Illegal Immigrants!" United Nations of Native America!
tjaynez 4 years ago
I think it isn`t important if the water is dirty or that they in Los Angeles drinks reclaimed water. It`s a sacred mountain for many tribes and I think you should respect that.
You can be a pure blood native but if you don`t engourage their views you aren`t a native.
miye91 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
HAHAHA the case is being reheard... and snowbowl will win hippies!!!
mxridingbass 4 years ago
Although its difficult to respond to such ignorance, your comments really identify and uphold the credibility of Snowbowl support. Did you listen to the appeal hearing?Judges in the 9th Circuit very clearly stated that this "SEWER WATER" was of great concern to public health. You have to love the one where they accuse the Snowbowl attorney of "double talk."
Where do you get your information from? FACT: The White Mountain Apache do not use wastewater to make snow.
IndigenousAction 4 years ago
FACT: This is the dumbest video ever made.
FACT: Los Angeles DRINKS reclaimed water.. and your worried about it being on a mountain as snow?
FACT: You have no life because this video probably took you months to make and probably 5 people have watched the whole thing.
FACT: these fact things get annoying so stop...
FACT: YOUR FACTS ARE INCORRECT... sunrise does use reclaimed water.
mxridingbass 4 years ago
Your comments are indicative of the bigoted realities that we as Indigenous peoples still face today. You claim to be Cherokee on top of all this? Maybe another person who's Grandma was a princess?
IndigenousAction 4 years ago
@mxridingbass snowbowl will win hippies? how many will they win?
redpatcher 5 months ago
Its just amazing to see some of the comments on this film. My view is that there should be no snowmaking at all, thats because of my cultural views, its sacred to me and my people and is something that we have to protect. People can say as many hateful comments as they want, its not going to change our views, were stil going to fight to protect what is sacred to our people. Also the courts decided not to have any snowmaking...so people back off and get a life.
hopigirl 4 years ago 2
we will worry about our land.. your land u need to worry about is on the res..
mxridingbass 4 years ago
Our sacred sites are important and just because its not on the rezervation doesnt mean that it doesnt hold any symbolism to native people. We are first Nations people....we have every right to be here...more than any proabaly because our culture and religion are tied to the earth.
hopigirl 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
and that descision is being appealed... so pick up the paper and see what is going on... oh wait they dont get the paper in tee pee's do they?? snowbowl WILL get snowmaking approved... and i hope just for your sake they cover the whole mountain with ski runs...
P.S.
Shouldnt you be building a casino instead of typing comments on youtube?
mxridingbass 4 years ago
I can see that you are just another racist and ignorant person in the world and no wonder this world is screwed up, its because of people like you.and my tribe doesnt have a casino and i dont go to one, i dont even have a tee pee as you say. I guess you just have a lack of education...so sad (and i do read the news paper...you know why they are wanting to appeal its because their scared of what this will mean them) so take that asshole because we will not stop protecting what is sacred to us
hopigirl 4 years ago 2
the word "asshole", is that a sacred word? and you say i have a lack of education. 7 years at ASU. whats your education? i didnt see any univ's up there on second mesa. and even though your tribe may not have a casino, the other tribes you have banded with like the white mountain apaches,they have a few casinos and use reclaimed water for snowmaking on there mountain.
mxridingbass 4 years ago
you say im racist? WHITE POWER! im talking about the color of snow obviously not people. im 1/4 cherokee. so i think it would be pretty hard for me to be racist against myself
mxridingbass 4 years ago
Well lets see I'm a junior at Northern Arizona University and next year I'm graduating. And when am I from second mesa? and the whole white mountain apache snowmaking on there mountian is different from this. You might as well be white since your 1/4 cherokee and dont even support other indigenous tribes.
hopigirl 4 years ago
WTF teepee haha your funny and stupid.
p.s. shouldnt yawl be fukin yur sister and stuff?
RezMan 4 years ago
P.S. shouldnt you be drunk right now???? how are you typing?
mxridingbass 4 years ago
get a life hippies
mxridingbass 4 years ago
Hippies? LOL. At least we've established the maturity level of Snowbowl supporters.
IndigenousAction 4 years ago
whoever made this is an ignorant dumbass!! did u look at the video of the people skiing on 5 inches of snow??? i think we need snowmaking!
mxridingbass 4 years ago
Provide more substance in your comment to establish why snowmaking with treated sewage effluent on a sacred mountain is "needed" before you cry "ignorance".
IndigenousAction 4 years ago
you are a fucking idiot....FACT
legendofjake 4 years ago
If your mentality and maturity level are indicative of the general support for Snowbowl than I dont think we have anything to worry about.
IndigenousAction 4 years ago
very informative
milwaukeeindymedia 4 years ago 2
As far as I can see neither one of us owns the mountian, mother earth owns it. As we Natives have a culture of much more complexity than just a "story" in a book, this mountian is our culture.
shelly8686 5 years ago
and it isn't for us?
mikchilders 4 years ago
Theyre greedy!They only wanna snowboard on it for themselves!Culturally snowboarding has always been Native and us honkies are proud that you shared this piece of culture with us.Actually..WTF am I talking about?I hope the government gives this sacred land back and fucking bitch slaps those greed driven corporation fuckers!
Jeron408 5 years ago
You all talk about respect yet you don't respect the people that find sanctuary in snowboarding or skiing. Did God give you those mountains? Simply because your beliefs tell you that a god you've never met made these mountains and gave them to you.
legendofjake 5 years ago
Okay, so let me get this straight, 1.) I need a "story" or a "God" that does not exist to tell my people and our culture what we own and 2.) I know nothing of respect because your "people" took over our land and claim everything in your path as your own and yet we are able to deal with your "world" that corrupts and destorys our lives through government and religion. I know enough respect to know that snowboarding is nothing but a "materialistic" hobby.
shelly8686 5 years ago
a materialistic hobby? I guess you guys should have been ready to get your land taken over ROFL NOOBS
legendofjake 4 years ago
Nah I was just fucking around with that last comment because thats what you act like we are shallow naive white people ahah so you refer to your people normally but you say we arnt people and put our name in quotes and as for the bullshit cliche excuse of "your people took our land" that is the most fucking retarded thing I have ever heard do I look like Im wearing a white curly wig and I live in the 1700s?
legendofjake 4 years ago
No actually I am a quarter native american and seeing my fellow people acting like biased pieces of shit makes me sick.Don't ever say we took your land again you dumb mother fucker its not like america on a whole sat down and were like hey we're going to fuck some indians over!
legendofjake 4 years ago
I respect religon but I dont respect religon for your stupid fucking corporate monopoly of trying to save the white mountains. Fuck you I have no respect for you if you refer to people that live in america as "people" what gives you such divine power to be the only ones that matter? I've lost all respect for the tribes because of the way you've displayed yourself as an ambassador to this issue.
legendofjake 4 years ago
Corporate monopoly? Saving the White Mountains?
Divine power? Let's deal with facts not baseless rants. Your comments do nothing to establish credibility for your statements.
IndigenousAction 4 years ago
Do you understand the words "Historical Context"?
IndigenousAction 4 years ago
Im going to go take a shit on the mountain for you tonight
legendofjake 4 years ago
I hope many people see your comments so that they can know how ignorant and racist some Snowbowl supporters are.
IndigenousAction 4 years ago
i see racial slurs on both ends, but what do i know im just an ileagle imagrant of a superior culture who took over america paying for it blood and defended it in blood... more white americans have died for this country than native americans have lived here. Get a grip you over grown drunks, if any one can show me a socail group that was taken over and concured, and still given free money and land then fuck me silly ill vote with the natives
stennal14 3 years ago
Shut the Fuck up stennal. Millions upon millions died on these lands for the sole reason of being indigenous. Who knows how many more brave warriors have died during these 500+ years of European occupation. WE'RE STILL FIGHTING! DON'T GET IT TWISTED!
HUITZILICUICATL 3 years ago
nah i was just going to tell you animals do it and i am a mountain man. peace
legendofjake 4 years ago
Is it too hard to just ask that the community of Kin Lání (Flagstaff) not used Waste Water.. I mean Dook'o'oslííd (San Francisco Peak) is sacred too me cause when I drive back from Hoozdoh (Phoenix) once I see Dook'o'oslííd I know Dine Bike'yah (Navajo Nation) is just behind that mountain.
And once I drive throught the pass along 89 I never forget to greet my mother and tell her that her son has come home.
navahotaku 5 years ago