CNN's Suzanne Malveaux should take a plane and land herself to reality.
Indonesia and Javanese islamo-nationalist supremacy is one of the worst violators of human rights of the Muslim world, that makes Pakistan seem like the cradle of tolerance.
Why hasn't she travel also to malukus or borneo or papua to see how tolerant Indonesian islam really is ?
Interesting report. So Islam is safe only when its changed and watered down like in Indonesia. But the unchanged pure form of Islam is quite dangerous and violent. Indonesia might as well return to Buddhism, their original true religion of peace.
what a bunch of bullshit , have you seen what is now happening to the Ahmadis (now illegal by the way) , and christians cant build churches Mosque-State seperation my ass the mosque is the state and its sharpening its scimitar
If Indonesia goes back to the true Islam, if all Muslims countries do that in fact, they'll propell their civilization much further then the west, like they once did in the middle ages.
So... Tell us more. Is there Islam and is there true Islam? What is the difference?
"propel their civilization"
Under Islam? Didnt Islam fail because it as well failed to adapt to new circumstances (economic, social and scientific)? Going back obviously wont bring the desired effect. On the contrary it will only worsen the already bad situation.
Right now, Indonesia’s main asset to the US and other friendly nations is as a counterweight to China, whose belligerent expansionist ways are roiling its Asian neighbors with alarm. Indonesia can be a prime player in keeping China in check. Many of China’s imports pass through ocean straits in Indonesia. And Obama has been smart to revive ties between the Pentagon and the Indonesian military (which still needs lessons in honoring human rights).
Theres no doubt that human rights in the Islamic sphere of Influence are inferior when compared to the "West".
We need to keep that infection in check, since some worrisome tendencies have already been observed. If we dont guard our freedoms, one they we will just wonder about what went wrong.
''Even if Id love to wish all Muslims away, it may be Indonesia that will allow/help us to turn Islam into a weakling.''
Its not so much that i wish to be rid of muslims...as i feel they are the first victims of this vicious cult..one can only hope that you are right though!
Dont understand me wrong. Im not justifying any "genocide" here. By getting rid of the Islamic meme, we would automatically get rid of Muslims, too. Theyd just turn non-Muslims.
Indeed, it always has been. You said nothing that would really disprove such a statement. On the contrary, youve conveniently left out occurrences, tendencies that would support such a statement. For example Christianity in Jakarta has increased about 3x in comparison to the increase of her total population. On average, Indonesian Christian population is more than 2x as much as Christianity in any other average Asian country...
@Wrath0fKhan ''Indeed, it always has been. You said nothing that would really disprove such a statement. On the contrary, youve conveniently left out occurrences, tendencies that would support such a statement.''
I can assure you i havent 'conveniently' left out anything on purpose, I would love to believe what you say is correct, but you only need to google -Christians in Jarkarta- and you will see its the same old islam! Just because CNN say it doesnt make it true im afriad.
This is what we have to look forward too in our own countries bombings and terror...thanks to islam! As for the enlightenment of indonesia i highly doubt it, its more than likely taquiyya to recieve funding from the west.
I dont think Indonesia is playing the "taqiyya card". Their Islam was always a little bit different than the "real" Muhamamdan Islam.
That doesnt mean at all that Id like to live under such a system. (Not at all.) Its just nice to see how those forces of (lets call them) moderation and orthodoxy compete against each other.
Even if Id love to wish all Muslims away, it may be Indonesia that will allow/help us to turn Islam into a weakling. (Just as happened to Christianity).
CNN's Suzanne Malveaux should take a plane and land herself to reality.
Indonesia and Javanese islamo-nationalist supremacy is one of the worst violators of human rights of the Muslim world, that makes Pakistan seem like the cradle of tolerance.
Why hasn't she travel also to malukus or borneo or papua to see how tolerant Indonesian islam really is ?
AmetReloads 1 month ago
Interesting report. So Islam is safe only when its changed and watered down like in Indonesia. But the unchanged pure form of Islam is quite dangerous and violent. Indonesia might as well return to Buddhism, their original true religion of peace.
DJmixmastermicro 8 months ago
what a bunch of bullshit , have you seen what is now happening to the Ahmadis (now illegal by the way) , and christians cant build churches Mosque-State seperation my ass the mosque is the state and its sharpening its scimitar
MinisterKGB 11 months ago
Salaam(peace),
If Indonesia goes back to the true Islam, if all Muslims countries do that in fact, they'll propell their civilization much further then the west, like they once did in the middle ages.
It's down to Allah(swt) wills Inshallah.
Perseveranze 1 year ago
@Perseveranze
"back to the true Islam"
So... Tell us more. Is there Islam and is there true Islam? What is the difference?
"propel their civilization"
Under Islam? Didnt Islam fail because it as well failed to adapt to new circumstances (economic, social and scientific)? Going back obviously wont bring the desired effect. On the contrary it will only worsen the already bad situation.
"down to Allahs Will"
And thats one of the key culprits, aint it. ;-)
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago 3
Regarding CNN -obama,s visit recently-
Right now, Indonesia’s main asset to the US and other friendly nations is as a counterweight to China, whose belligerent expansionist ways are roiling its Asian neighbors with alarm. Indonesia can be a prime player in keeping China in check. Many of China’s imports pass through ocean straits in Indonesia. And Obama has been smart to revive ties between the Pentagon and the Indonesian military (which still needs lessons in honoring human rights).
SickOfThisCrap1 1 year ago
@SickOfThisCrap1
Sure... Obama seems to be a smart man... ;-)
"human rights"
Theres no doubt that human rights in the Islamic sphere of Influence are inferior when compared to the "West".
We need to keep that infection in check, since some worrisome tendencies have already been observed. If we dont guard our freedoms, one they we will just wonder about what went wrong.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago 2
''Even if Id love to wish all Muslims away, it may be Indonesia that will allow/help us to turn Islam into a weakling.''
Its not so much that i wish to be rid of muslims...as i feel they are the first victims of this vicious cult..one can only hope that you are right though!
SickOfThisCrap1 1 year ago
@SickOfThisCrap1
"rid of muslims"
Dont understand me wrong. Im not justifying any "genocide" here. By getting rid of the Islamic meme, we would automatically get rid of Muslims, too. Theyd just turn non-Muslims.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
Indonesia's first President Sukarno (1945-1967), only 2 cases of church destruction are recorded,
456 under Suharto (1967-1998),
156 cases under Bachruddin Jusuf Habibie (1998-1999)
232 cases under Abdurrahman Wahid (1999-2001)
92 such cases during the rule of Megawati Sukarnoputri (2001-2004)
and since President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, who took power in October 2004, there has been nearly 200 cases of closed or destroyed churches.
Their Islam was always a little bit different?
SickOfThisCrap1 1 year ago
@SickOfThisCrap1
"Their Islam was always a little bit different"
Indeed, it always has been. You said nothing that would really disprove such a statement. On the contrary, youve conveniently left out occurrences, tendencies that would support such a statement. For example Christianity in Jakarta has increased about 3x in comparison to the increase of her total population. On average, Indonesian Christian population is more than 2x as much as Christianity in any other average Asian country...
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago 3
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@Wrath0fKhan ''Indeed, it always has been. You said nothing that would really disprove such a statement. On the contrary, youve conveniently left out occurrences, tendencies that would support such a statement.''
I can assure you i havent 'conveniently' left out anything on purpose, I would love to believe what you say is correct, but you only need to google -Christians in Jarkarta- and you will see its the same old islam! Just because CNN say it doesnt make it true im afriad.
SickOfThisCrap1 1 year ago
This is what we have to look forward too in our own countries bombings and terror...thanks to islam! As for the enlightenment of indonesia i highly doubt it, its more than likely taquiyya to recieve funding from the west.
SickOfThisCrap1 1 year ago 2
@SickOfThisCrap1
I dont think Indonesia is playing the "taqiyya card". Their Islam was always a little bit different than the "real" Muhamamdan Islam.
That doesnt mean at all that Id like to live under such a system. (Not at all.) Its just nice to see how those forces of (lets call them) moderation and orthodoxy compete against each other.
Even if Id love to wish all Muslims away, it may be Indonesia that will allow/help us to turn Islam into a weakling. (Just as happened to Christianity).
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago 6