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  • mass immigration, not taxes, is what will define this century. save the west.

  • From a political image point of view, the best thing that ever happened to Goldwater was being buried in the 1964 landslide. That way, we never had to find out what his crackpot policies would have wrought, and the rightwingers can continue to live in their fantasyland about him. At some level, there is a need for an effective government.

  • Mr. "Destroyer of the Old Right". Mr. "33 degree Illuminist Freemason"

  • BS. Goldwater was a 33 degree mason in a Scotish Rite mason front. He was one of the many rats sent to destroy the rise of the "Old Right".

  • Goldwater...the GOP's plunge into racism.

  • Goldwater didnt become liberal, the GOP did

  • We need another Goldwater.

    Ron Paul 2012!

  • @MinnesotaTwins24 No chance in hell!

  • "What Pat Robertson needs is a good swift kick in the ass!" Barry Goldwater

  • Goldwater did not become a liberal. Conservatives became neoconservatives.

  • This film was produced by Mr. Goldwater's liberal granddaughter. This film is nothing more than another attempt by the anti-American left to re-write history.

  • ah the ties that bind, I like the fact that Libertarians more or less don't give a rat's ass about social issues, and on government they know that less is better. I don't think that means that they wouldn't compromise, but Goldwater, Ron Paul. are two of the only conservatives I can honestly say I admire and respect.

  • What's the difference between the Government controlling your life and religious organizations controlling your behavior? Goldwater fought against any institution that claimed to have a some self-imposed moral obligation to control how we live.

  • I also admire Barry Goldwater! He would have made a great president!

  • Do not insult Goldwater by comparing him to Ron Paul or saying that he would support Ron Paul. Ron Paul is a racist pro-life creationist homophobe overhyped by college clowns that don't want to dissapoint their brainwashed Republican parents by defecting to the Democrats. He is not a respectable opposition to liberalism-progressivism-socia­l libertarianism. Goldwater and Buckley on the other hand were.

  • @mikebhryan

    What bothers me more than anythng else is that you think that you must be intelligent when you throw around tough sounding words. Why dont you exlpain to everybody here why Goldwater Jr endorsed Paul. Do you know Goldwater better than his son? Why did the late Milton Friedman also endorse Paul. As for his being a homophobe is that why Andrew Sullivan a gay writer endorsed Paul this past time around? No one takes the idea as Paul a racist seriously as except the crazy fringe.

  • @mikebhryan

    As for being pro life, you bet, thats why he is great. Buckley was no conservative but a big gov't Republican, he himself admited as much. Goldwater would strongly back Paul today in a heartbeat. Its no coincidence that the religous right hated Goldwater as they do Paul today. They just loved Buckley and his ilk.

  • Goldwater did not become a liberal, the republican party was over-taken by the Neo-conservatives. That's why the Libertarian Party originated.

  • @Hippocampectomy

    exactly!

    Cronkite is either foolish or self serving on that when he says Goldwater became "liberal"

    Why do these people have to hijack terms like they do?

  • @Hippocampectomy: David Nolan, co-founder of the Libertarian Party often cites his involvement in the Goldwater 64 campaign as the impetus of the Libertarian Party.

  • How was this guy a conservative in any way? He was a libertarian! Not a true conservative in any sense of the word.

  • @rumpranger65 You need to do some reading friend... Reagan said this about Libertarians: "If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.... The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is." -- Reason Magazine Article July 1975

  • @marcparella And Russell Kirk, a true conservative, considered libertarians to be "utilitarians admitting no transcendent sanctions for conduct." And this is absolutely correct, especially of Goldwater during his later years.

  • @rumpranger65: "utilitarians admitting no transcendent sanctions for conduct." -- First the term Libertarian was not widely known in 1964. No one would have called Goldwater "Libertarian". Goldwater always considered himself Conservative and no one disagreed. The Conservative movement comes from the Southern wing of the Democratic party known as the Dixiecrats. The anti-gay movement today is no different from the anti-black movement then.

  • @marc.. Gays are different from blacks insofar as they can control their immoral behavior, just as any other free agent can control their immoral behavior. Blacks cannot control their being black. You may object that gays cannot control their being gay, but they can control the sexual expression of that orientation. There is no such thing as "black sex" however. Not to mention a certain politician mentioned here was not too fond of the Civil Rights movement, but let's not get into that, right?

  • @rump... one more thing. Libertarians are very conscience about behavioral conduct. Libertarians draw the line at whether conduct injures another party in some tangible or measured fashion. How does homosexual behavior harm you? How does homosexual marriage harm you? If you claim it is harmful to society in some untangible yet noticeable manner, then you must lump a number of other types of behavioral conduct that may done the same.

  • @marcparella You prove my point. Libertarianism is utilitarianism, It's also a denial of transcendent sanctions for conduct. The state's purpose is the furthering of the common human good. Homosexual conduct is contrary to the natural law, and therefore contrary to the acquiring of human virtue. Positive law without regards to the natural law is not true law at all. As the state deteriorates in regards to the natural law, so will the community whose common good it has been entrusted to.

  • @rumpranger65

    Goldwater was absolutely a conservative. He just wasn't a neo-con, which is what the Republicans are overrun with today.

    It was on his principles and Milton Friedman's, which the Libertarian movement founded as its ideals. The religious-right didn't overrun his party until the late-70's/early-80's. He was adamantly against them.

  • Real conservatives have almost always been primarily concerned with social issues. Read Russell Kirk, a true conservative. He hardly mentions economics at all. And when he does mention the neo-liberal economics of the likes of Goldwater he only does so with disdain.

  • And why would I agree with Kirk, who seeks to utilize the ideals of John Locke, yet who himself was adamantly against social oversight and a moral compass imposed by religious entities on citizens?

    I could just as easily use Goldwater's Conscience of a Conservative in equal measure. In fact, a primary issue in Reagan's platform was "getting government out of your lives." Are you proposing those are merely libertarian concepts? And just who do you think he got those ideals from?

  • the only republican besides eisenhower who doesn't make me puke in my mouth. GOLDWATER!!!

  • @wvfii You need to read about Robert Taft. There is a great monument in Washington DC dedicated to Senator Robert Taft. The Capitol Carillons. He was referred to during his career as "Mr. Republican", and he was a great statesmen.

  • @wvfii Liberal revisionism by Goldwater's ultra liberal granddaughter. These liberals have no shame. I cannot wait until the documentaries coming out about how Jim Demint, George W. Bush, Michele Bachmann, Bill Frist were all closet liberals. This movie distorts Goldwater's legacy, particularly on many issues & his strong states' rights issues. All these movies about conservatives by liberals in hollywood can be summed up in one sentence: the only good conservative is a dead conservative.

  • @BlackRepublican2010

    i'm not a liberal by any stretch (even though i disagree with Goldwater's 'states' rights' taking precedence over civil rights), but what i like about Goldwater was his strong libertarian stance on social issues, something SORELY lacking in the modern iteration of the GOP and, sadly, the Tea Party. so that quote about him "becoming a liberal" is most likely a misnomer by Cronkite; the guy was a true blue libertarian.

  • @BlackRepublican2010

    his outspoken defense of gays in the military and his criticism of the anti-liberty Religious Right earns him big points with me. Also worth noting that while I have a lot of respect for both Eisenhower and Goldwater, the two had very different takes on government. the difference between these two guys and the pro-wrestling silliness of the modern GOP is that these guys were not anti-science nor were they obsessed with an American past that never actually existed.

  • @wvfii LOL! Eisenhower, besides being a One Worlder/Communist was a war criminal and mass murderer...just search about his concentration camps...

  • Six months after the election, 1st Marine Division landed in South Vietnam.

  • Amazing. How the former dixiecrats started to vote republican during and after Johnson presidency. Republicans represents the eleven ex-confederate states now.

  • Oh those silly pundits trying to lump a person into their tiddy labels. You couldn't label the man. They have Hillary because she supported Goldwater in college btw.

  • You mean Tammy Wynett Clinton?

  • Happy St. Patrick's Day!

  • Ron Paul is the Barry Goldwater of our time

  • I watched this doc on HBO over the weekend by CC Goldwater (hot babe for being 50yrs old) and it was superb. Goldwater did not become a Liberal in his old age, he was what is now termed a "libertarian". A strong Republican w/o all the social issue stigmas.

  • He lobbied to regulate businesses hiring habits, forcing Christians to hire homosexuals.

    Regulating business and personal freedom of the employer.

    Sounds pretty leftist to me.

  • Goldwater was not a "Christian Conservative", he believed (as I) that social issues should be kept off the political platform. Unfortunately the Christians Right hold alot of power over the Republican party. Its parallel to the leftist, socialists who dominate the Democrats. There's no middle ground anymore. JFK today would not be considered a Democrat today. He was for strong defense, low taxes and smaller govt.

  • @RareMusicVideos Thank you!! You are dead on. You have done your homework. Goldwater always said that Kennedy was more conservative than people gave him credit for. Goldwater and Kennedy were friends much like Adams and Jefferson in their later years.

  • I think you need to go look up the definition of what a modern Libertarian is. By your definition Ron Paul is an extreme liberal? Huh? "Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice" Barry Goldwater 1964

  • Liberalism isn't in the pursuit of liberty. It is in the pursuit of power.

  • You are so right! Thank you for pointing that out. If only more people knew.

  • thats a load of bull!

  • Go look up the Wikipedia entry on "Classical Liberalism" which is what Goldwater represented. It was liberal along time ago around the American revolution it became the status quo under Jefferson, Jackson and that crowd. Having gained mainstream acceptance it then shifted to being the conservative position when Goldwater championed it. ie "Mr. Conservative"

  • You are very incorrect. A libertarian is extremely fiscally conservative and usually slightly socially liberal, but today, ulike Goldwater, most libertarians are pro-life. The constitution is pro-life, it was always odd that Goldwater was pro-choice given how much he loved the constitution.

  • How is the Constitution pro-life? Is there some new amendment I don't know about?

  • The constitution clearly puts abortion rights onto the states. When Roe v. Wade falls abortion will be illegal in all states except New York, Washington, Hawai'i, and Alaska. Most states have constitutional bans on all forms of abortion. If Republicans hold strong majorities in the house and senate upon the collapse of Roe there will likely be a constitutional ammendment banning abortion nationwide. The US constitution is clear, but liberal judges don't know how to interpret it.

  • Ah, you're saying that ROE V. WADE is unconstitutional, not the act of abortion itself. I agree that states should have more power than they currently do.

    I happen to be a pro-abortion, I mean pro-choice, libertarian. I believe in the right of the individual (females) to decide whether or not they want to carry a fetus to term; the government has no sovereignty over the individual in terms of what goes on inside his/her body.

  • article III, section 2 of the constitution gives congress to strip the courts( including the supreme court) of their authority on roe, and other decisions. they should do it when the republicans win back the majority, and give the states their power back. a constutional ammendment is not needed, and would be destructive to the rights of the people. the fed govt has no more right to ban abortion than they do to legalize it

  • the current rebublican party doesn't have the BALLS to do that, most of them are chickenshit. Plus they would have to give up one of there issues to get the superstitous ill educated anti science crows out of their churches.

  • lol, very true

  • "The framers were well aware of the danger posed by self-seeking demagogues, that they might persuade a majority of the people to confer on goverment's vast power in return for deceptive promises of economic gain." -Barry Goldwater, in responce to the rigorus Constitutional Amendment process.

  • uh, no. The Dixie-crats became the core of the Southern GOP because of desegregation. Goldwater, and then later Nixon and Reagan played to this base by opposing federal civil rights legislation.

  • Uh no, Reagan was the first President to recongize the MLK holiday, most of the south was desegregated by the time Nixon was in office, funny considering The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced by a Republican, a majority of Republicans voted for it, however a good portion of northern and southern Democrats voted against it. And you call the GOP racist! LOL.

  • Also keep in mind that MLK himself was a Republican...read up before the history books change it!

  • Yeah but changed when the Democrats became the party of Civil Rights. The Republicans had to play for the South.

  • "Goldwater Won, it just took 16 years to count the votes..."

    -George Will

    Tell me then Mr. Will, does that mean William Jennings Bryan was a three term president the moment we got off the gold standard, it just took 77 years to count the votes?

  • He is referring to Ronald Reagan's win in 1980. The defeat of Goldwater in '64 brought about a strong resurgence in Republican politics that directly lead the way for the victory of Reagan in 1980 and his landslide victory in '84.

  • That is the point I am making yes. We also had the Wizard of Oz acting as free silver propaganda all those years too...

  • So... Barry... when would the 'free market' have ended Jim Crow and segregation?

  • get your facts straight. Goldwater desegregated much of the Arizona government. He did not support the civil rights act because it opposed laws already in the constitution. He was a strong supporter of desegregation.

  • No, get your facts straight. Federal intervention was necessary because extra-legal terror was being used to enforce it and 'the law' created an apartheid country in the south. Ever hear of the Klan or Jim Crow? Barry opposed federal intervention and voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He did this out of principle? Nice principles. Or was it just an early version of the GOP's 'Southern Strategy' that played to dixiecrat racism... and is the main reason the South is 'Red' today?

  • Goldwater DID support desegregation. Goldwater opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (in simple terms) because he did not believe it was the Federal govt.'s job to regulate it. He believed each state should govern itself on such matters. He says so in archival film in this doc.

  • @jcavana1978 Ever hear of Oprah? Social Convention is far more powerful than any "feel good" legislation our Federal Government can think up. Goldwater was right on the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And his vote against it was in my humble opinion, the most courageous vote in Senate History.

  • Just finished reading the book, "Pure Goldwater". Especially in this 2008 election, we need someone like Barry Goldwater running for president. These two clowns (Obama and McCain) have no clue how to lead a nation and their voting for the recent $700BILLION bailout proves they don't know a damn thing about the economy either.

    Barry Goldwater, Jr., I hope you'll run for president in 2012 (With John Dean as your V.P)!

  • This was a good documentary.

  • thats my cousin!!!!!!! everybody..!!!

  • I wonder what Barry Goldwater would have to say about the extremist pundits and corrupt politicians that are responsible for hijacking his beloved Republican party and running it into the ground- scum like Cheney, Bush, Rove, Hannity, Coulter, Beck, Limbaugh, Malkin, Ingrham, Delay and countless others. Something tells me that old Barry is rolling in his grave right about now.

  • I love Goldwater's views. One of the most rational politicians we've had, and not a right wing closed-minded politician.

  • Clinton and Carville loved Goldwater.. He was one of those guys that you think "If only he was President rather than Johnson"

  • w00t that's what I'm talking about :D

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  • It's hilarious that the very people he was fighting against get to talk about him when he's dead. That's just too rich.

  • Hillary admired Goldwater's values? Why had she strayed sooooo far from them.

  • James Carville too! :D

  • She used to be a "Goldwater Girl." Heh

  • RON PAUL!

  • Great point! The current Neo-cons are an outgrowth of the old Dixiecrats and have very little to do with the party of Robert Taft and Barry Goldwater.

  • This looks like an HBO hit-job / revisionist history designed to make him look like a liberal, and make the Republican Party look like it left him behind.  The Republican Party may be into big government now, but the Democrats are far worse and HBO will not comment on that. I anticipate a hit-job here.

  • Goldwater was fairly liberal by modern standards - whilst he hated big government and talked about moral values, he hated the religious right more and described himself as "an honorary gay"...

  • Its not really Liberal though. Liberal is what those jokes on the view gernally are. He is a real conservative. No predudice agianst gender or race, only fair way to do it..go on your ability to workhard. he is spot on about abortion as well. i think he would have been an ammese president.

  • Agreed.

  • You should watch it. Lots of conservatives interviwed, and George Will is there to put those whiney liberal revisionist bastards in their place.

  • what revisionism are you referring to? Did you even see the fucking see the documentary, Kevin? George Will specifically states that his hypothesis is that Goldwater was a libertarian all along, and many liberals like myself agree with many libertarian principles, you jackoff.

  • Yes, I did see it, and there were 5 liberals who all tried to say Goldwater was a liberal or became liberal. That's revisionism.

  • Goldwater was a "revolutionist" in his day. Don't discount anyones ideas because of their conservative or liberal label. Though I don't quite think he'd support Obama(even though many of his children and grandchildren are), he certainly wouldn't support McCain/Palin. He'd probably be a Ron Paul kinda guy.

  • @payeco

    Barry Goldwater Jr. endorsed Mr. Ron Paul. And some of his siblings did the same. And, yes some did vote and support Obama.

  • Umm, why are all these people on the New left who have almost nothing in common with Goldwater commenting on him?

  • Because they can still have admiration for a perosn that stood up for what he believed in,unlike many of todays Democrats. I think they wish they had a person like him to speek on behalf of their cause, rather than the timid fakers that can't stand up to Bush.

  • Well there are plenty of renowned people on the Right who admire Goldwater. I find it odd that they are showing almost exclusively people from the Left.

  • I agree with you, zzx2847. It's strange why they would choose all neo-libs

  • Hillary is best STFU about patriotism. That socialist c*nt understands little more than the almighty dollar.

    She would hate Goldwater today. He reminded Americans that our rights are worth fighting for. Hillary is for taking our rights away and endless wars. Check her voting record.

    Only a fool would believe she respected a real conservative. The one that wants you to keep your money and fight for your rights.

    America is worth fighting for. Is Iraq?

  • umm so only a fool would believe the truth? the truth is she was a goldwater girl, president of young republicans her freshman year at wellesley, and canvassed south side chicago in 1960 finding electoral fraud against richard nixon.

    maybe the conservative side of her faded, but to say she would "hate" goldwater today is totally unjustified. in the end hillary said she was "a mind conservative and a heart liberal," which corresponds to goldwater's "real" conservative belief in social liberalism

  • Hly sheeeit.

    If thats the truth then what happened?

    She wants nothing short of universal, or more accurate term, 'socialized' healthcare. Which means the government contols your medicine. Taxes you for it and gives you crap service. Do you honestly trust the people that couldnt stop 9/11, gave us FEMA and looted Social Security? Not to mention our rights are gone.

    Hillary is Ok with the path we are on.

    That sucks.

    She voted for the Patriot Act and the War.

    That lady is f*cking crazy.

  • but she'll win

  • sidrosteel

    you're right. she wants absolute mandated socialized medicine. i would consider this the opposite of freedom. many liberals believe this is the progression of freedom; a guarantee of certain things at "inalienable human rights."

    i personally believe this is extremely dangerous, as implementing this program directly infringes upon our freedom to choose whatever healthcare system we pay for. this is also a slippery slope. what's next? the more control the govt has the less free we are

  • itori,

    amen. its scary what America is facing. People really have no idea how bad a shape we are.

    In debt up to our eyes. No rights. Amero. North American Union. ENDLESS WAR.

    This is what Orwell, Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, Jackson... warned us of.

    Personally, Americans will ask for it and learn to depend on it. We are fucked.

  • As halfassed as healthcare remains today, socializing it would only have a completely different set of problems. People in Canada compare their healthcare to the DMV because of how long the waiting list is for surgery and whatnot. And let's not even get into how much of an increase there will be on your paycheck's taxes. If you are enlisted in the Canadian army, you are still in the 48% tax bracket.

  • No she isnt goldwater, but she dousnt hate him, sure she could have just said that stuff ... v interesting what you worte there .. but why the hell would she. As far as i can see Goldwater is probally the poltiican that i agree with most by miles, but i would much rather clinton than mccain.

  • that statement gives me shivers. Hillary. I imagine Bill setting his ass in the White House not getting blamed for a damn thing.

    You gotta wonder, if Walmart grew into a commie loving company and is from Arkansas.. and the Clintons struck a deal with the Chinese.. you gotta wonder why MalWart has such a grip on America.

    Regardless, this is a sorry sack of shit collection of douche bags to have to vote for.

    Ill have some explaining to do to the kids in my family.

  • i am not so oppsed to state medicine, but i would never use the system (never never) here in the UK if i could aviod it.

    how left actually is Clinton/(s)

  • hmmm... check out some Goldwater campaign ads. He was opposed to the Viet Nam War, so there are some similarities as well.

  • Imagine how different things would be today if he won that election...

    Ron Paul 2008 dot com

  • Goldwater was first to mention fixing Social Security to prevent going broke someday. Democrats yelled he "was trying to end Social Security." Scared the old folks to death and they've used it ever since.

  • What the fuck was James "snakehead" Carville doing in that video? Blasphamy!

  • What the fuck, Hillary is a Goldwater girl?

  • Yeah, she took a strong left turn somewhere.

  • Might have had something to do with marrying Bill Clinton.

  • Labels like "conservative" or "liberal" do no justice to Barry Goldwater because he followed his beliefs and conscience, NOT, political ideologies or party politics. He was a man of PRINCIPLES, NOT politics who LOVED his country and everyone in it. Maybe "libertarian" would be most fitting since he tended to be conservative on economic issues, and liberal on social issues. One thing is certain: He was a GREAT American!

  • Back when Goldwater ran for President the Supreme Court had not yet made social issues such as abortion a federal issue. Presidential candidates dealt with economic and defense issues. The states dealt with social issues. I don't think anyone knew where he even stood on social issues in 1964.

  • Ron Paul - In your heart you know he's right.

    Rudy and Romney - In your gut you know they're nuts.

    Dave

  • haha i love this HVAC. god bless you, mr. goldwater.

  • I didn't know there was documentary on HBO about Barry Goldwater!!! Does anybody have it on dvd? I'd have to say that Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan and Ron Paul are my all time favorite Republicans.

  • Is that woman Hilary Clinton?

  • Yes. Not sure why she's in it, she's the total opposite of Goldwater. She's despicable for considering herself a fan.

  • She was a Goldwater Girl during the '64 elections. And see the documentary before passing judgment on anyone.

  • Well, I'm aware of that, but what Goldwater preaches and what she believes are two separate different things.

    Btw, put up the documentary on torrent so I can download :)

  • In a lot of ways yes, but in a lot of ways they are very similar.

    Republicans like to turn Hillary into the bogie man, but libertarians like myself would choose someone like her a million years before we'd pick the shills trying to pass for conservatives in the current Republican presidential lineup. Goldwater was right in his 1963 speech, today people would call people like him a liberal, which is very sad.

  • That's why I like Ron Paul :). I don't know much libertarians who like Clinton, or any GOP. Both are big government. Clinton is big big government, Goldwater was small government. I guess the caparison relates to social issues rather than financial issues.

  • Anyways, if this country knows what's good for them they'd choose neither Rudy nor Clinton, but Ron Paul. Just like they should have chose Robert Taft and Barry Goldwater. Reagan was the only one who made it all the way, though some say he went away from his ideals, I'd say he's still one of our better presidents.

  • Are you not aware of Ron Paul? Ron Paul is almost identical to Goldwater in his beliefs and principles and is endorsed by Barry Goldwater Jr. I'm surprised that you would overlook him and pick a socialist like Hillary instead.

  • They differ on abortion, but they come to the same conclusion of leaving it to the states.

  • "Yes. Not sure why she's in it, she's the total opposite of Goldwater. She's despicable for considering herself a fan." - Nillok

    Why? Are you suggesting that somsone shouldn't consider themselves a fan of someone they happen to disagree with? In this video Hillary was saying she admired Goldwater, not that she agreed with him. How exactly is that despicable?

  • Goldwater is one of my top 5 Republicans, easily.

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