communism and fascism are two words for the same thing. tyranny. the international brigadiers unfortunately were used as pawns by the communists to strengthen their power in Spain.i am not taking away from their heroism i am stating a historical fact.
@bouse23 Do not confuse capitalist lies with historical facts. Communism for all its occcasional failures is about making peoples lives better, fascism is about ending them. Fascism has nothing to do with communism but is in fact an offshoot of capitalism. With the failure of the capitalist economies in the thirties capitalists turned to fascism to try and stop the left. Fascism seeks to distract the workers with mindless nationalism and also leaves the property rights of the rich intact.
@MrHistoryman45 Stalin pol pot and Kim Jon IL the gulags the killing fields the purges are occasional failures are they? again i repeat communism and fascism are two words for the same thing tyranny.i suggest you read a book about the Spanish civil war see how many brigadiers were shot dead by their own side how the communists starved non communist units of resources i respect the men who fought in the brigades but i don't respect totalitarian regimes
@bouse23 You mean read a book written by some right wing American retard telling me how lucky we are that we can work our whole lives to makes a few thieves even richer? No one in history has been more lied about than Stalin. If you are capable of thought (as opposed to swallowing whatever lies the media tell you) you will realise there is is a reason. Stalin and the USSR were an an inspiration to millions. Without Stalin the USSR would never have withstood the Nazi onslaught.
@bouse23 (continued) Had the West been sensible enough to accept Stalins overs of help in 1938 Hitler could have been stopped sooner and at a far lesser price. Some brigaders were shot by their own side - the republic was sadly divided and some of those factions were more interested in infighting than fighting the Fascists - the Communists were the strongest and best opponents of Fascism. Pol Pot claimed he was a communist, his actions revealed otherwise.
@bouse23 Communism is about forward progress, not going back to the year zero. I could claim to be a right Tory but my views and actions would show the truth, Pol Pots claims are worthless. May I suggest you take your ill informed opinions elsewhere - no doubt there'll be videos put up by Palin's chimps tea party you'll pass for an intellectual among them.
@bouse23 Do you respect America or the UK. How is what they did any different than what Stalin or Hitler did? They have killed and enslaved millions of people and stolen vast wealth and land from them for their own interests. Nearly all the land in America was either stolen from Mexico or Native Americans. We either forced them out or shot them on the spot. If you knew anything about communism or socialism you'd know that those mentioned didn't follow them, they followed their own desires.
@bouse23 (continued) Apart of course from the odd racial minority but capitalists will always make sacrifices (of others) to preserve their own profit. Since the war the capitalist powers led by the US have occasionally promoted fascism when it has been necessary to curb a powerful workers movement (Greece, Chile etc). The international brigadiers were not pawns of anyone but courageous and intelligent people who clearly saw the reality. May their memory be an example to us all in these times.
Go ahead Anarchists if you believe in your cause put together the kind of highly centralized and organized political campaign that can put people of different backgrounds on the streets raise money and be in 50 states at once and win the presidency. Oh wait you can't decide on what to have for lunch together and everybody even people with nothing to say talks at your meetings and nothing ever gets done. Theres only 1 way Anarchists can win. not be anarchists.
I'm a socialist/anarchist but I think you're being very unfair towards Anarchists, Anarchism is a broad spectrum and at the end of the day they're basically fighting for the same cause as socialists, just in a different way. Long live Anarchism!
The Anarchists in the Spanish Civil War aided the Fascists by attacking the forces of the United Front which included Republicans Socialists and Communists who had different values but were united in the imperative of stopping fascism . The Anarchists were the best thing Franco could have ever wished for. The biggest force that has changed America is the African American communities use of peaceful highly disciplined struggle inspired by Christian teachings and emerging from the workers
so raslikmuzik its so sad that you dont have a computer. With all my privleges I cant imagine being you. Though I wonder how the hell you are talking to me online. Whats it like in North Korea where you live. I have always wondered. The news and my government standardized textbooks taught us to hate and fear you
communism has a horrible track record if you watch Fox CNN or NBC or grew up attending American public schools. Its called propaganda. Power is the ability to achieve purpose that takes organization. How could anarchists ever put together a campaign violent or nonviolent to overthrow a state/the bourgeoisie. They cant they all just do their own thing. so they end up leeching off communists and other organized movements such as the anarchists at the mostly peaceful WTC protest in Seattle
LOLZ. This coming from a kid in the US with high speed internet and his own PC. You know nothing of communism, and have never lived in N. Korea or communist China. You know very little of state repression, or what the term 'liberty' truly means.
Communism has a horrible track record anywhere so called communist regimes have been installed.
Dont get me wrong, Communists & Anarchist have the same critique of Kapitalism, but the methods to do away with it or VERY different.
Anarchist are what got Americans the 8 hour work day, womens suffarage, etc. It wasn't communists too busy idealizing Stalin, it wasn't private kapitalists investing in society.
Your argument against Anarchism demonstrates how little you truly know regarding Anarchist theory.
How can state run kapitaliists ever do away with the state and allow workers to run the economy? (This is true communism) not just worship Fidel, or Che, or Kim Jong-Il, or Mao, or Stalin.
Of course I might be wrong being comunist. Believing in a strong state dedicated to peace, education and supllying people all their needs for a complete development.
Maybe it's stupid believing in social justice, but I really don't believe in anarchy.
Believe what you want mate, but the reality is that 20th century communism has a horrible track record. Maybe 21st communism will be different, but looking at Venezuela, probably not.
Workers must control the so-called state, not politicians. I know you see a difference between state run kapitalism (ie 20th century communism) and privatized kapitalism, but there really isnt any. Also, Im sure you wouldnt want to live in North Korea. I however would have loved to live in Catalonia in summer 36
Anarchism is the desire to overthrow the current system so you can be in charge instead. Anarchism never lasts. it leaves a vacuum for the people with the most resources the most cajones and or the most willingnesss to use force and violence will take over again and make the rules to thier advantage. Till someone takes them down. Im not sure I could recognize the difference between anarchy and the way things are now
In anarchist thought, there is no power vaccum. The power is within the working class, and it is up to workers to put down any power grabs from anyone, esp. socalled communists (state kapitalists) who differ little from privatized kapitalists.
Lluis Romero, one of the most brilliant experts on Spanish Civil War, tells how were Durruti's end: his colomn was fighting in CHAOS in Parque del Oeste, near Ciudad Universitaria.
They panicked and retreated without any order running into the city. The moroccan arrived to Princesa street.
Durruti was anoyed for his men behaviour. He called them cowards and when he turned a TRUE ANARCHIST shot his "naranjero"...WHY? Because it seems you get anoyed when you hear the true things you don't like.
Louis Fischer tried to purchase wheapons in USA for the Republica but Secretary of State Cordell Hull always gave the information of the transports to Franco.
Stalin briefly made the Molotov-Ribentrop alliance with Hitler that meant the end of the Republica, as they supplied no more Polikarpovs nor guns.
Daladier refused to sell wheapons and closed the borders. Stalin took advantage of that. If he would have been a true friend, he would have sold the wheapons half the price (not doubled)
Also your anarchy = chaos theory is completely debunked when you analyze what happened in the first 6 months of the war. on July 18 when the army staged the coup, it was not the PCE who stopped the fascist, nor was it the Republican government in Madrid, It was the Workers unions, from the CNT/FAI to UGT who were armed, and according to you with little 'discipline,' yet managed to put down the professional army's coup.
I know it hurts to realize you've supported Stalin and his policies.
You completely ignore the history from July 18 1936 til about May 5 1937. Catalonia remained free, under Anarchist control. Anarchists rarely shot captives, including requetes. The PCE on the other hand had a different approach, therefore they paid in different terms.
To say Anarchism and communism are completely opposed is stupid. Marx himself called for a stateless soceity, he just trusted a 'transitional' govt. to govern into it anarchy. The PCE was not 'temporary'
Also being communist doesnt make you stalinist. But calling the PCE during the war 'freedom fighters' is dead wrong. You ignore the popular suppressions by the govt. during and BEFORE the war.
The Anarchists had no reason to defend the Republic, yet they did. You cant deny this. But the fight was doomed when western govts denied us all access to weapons and munitions.
Spain was doomed to fascism with either Franco or the PCE. I know it hurts you to think you've been wrong all along, haha
Dear Irish friends: in this video I'm seing many of you I had the chance of meeting in Barcelona a few months later than this vid was taken. Jack and Bob, marvellous men, tru heroes. And also the friends of the International Brigades who came to the hommage tha Brigadsits received in the 70th aniversary of their goodbye to Spain. THANKS BORTHERS!!!
The anarchists were just that anarchists what anarchists really believe is not that no one should be in charge but that I should be in charge. They attacked soldiers on their own side and ultimately helped the facists they were really worse than the facists themselves. At least you knew what side they were on
Great? You may read in newspapers of that time that they prefered the fascist rather than the burgouise republic, their revolution rather than winning the war with union and discipline.
Their role in the final days of the war:
They Betrayed the defenders of Madrid and gave the victory to Franco and the prisions crowded of loyal republicans.
It's a shame that can't fe forgotten.
NO PASARAN... but CNT killed the men who defended Madrid in March 1939, as Luis Barceló. A shame.
The CNT betrayed the Republic? Negrin had prepared a plane bound for France, while ordering Madrids defenders to fight to the death (really brave huh?).
Teurel had fallen, Catalonia had Fallen, Valle de Ebro had fallen, Valencia and Madrid were surronded; the war was over and the 'Junta' was for preventing further death and destruction, and for 'surrender with honor.'
They didnt betray, the Republic. The Republic betrayed them earlier in the war, Look up 'Barecelona May Days'
The CNT were the only, truly, ANTiFASCIST element in Spain during the war. Franco without a doubt was Fascist. But so too were the Stalin backed communists in Spain. It was the communists who squashed 'la revolucion social' early on in the war.
The CNT was for real worker control, the Communists wanted Spain to be a puppet for Stalin. When the war began, who stopped the initial uprisings while the govt. slept? Armed CNT workers.
Youre so-called facts are the manufactured lies of Salin.
The facts are that all the people involved in Casado's betrayal saved their lives:
Mera captured and forgiven.
Federica Montseny, Largo Caballero... they all saved their lives eventhough Vichy nazis captured them.
On the other hand Lluis Companys and Julian Zugazagoitia were killed by Franco.
BUT; you are not kind, you are not civilizated and I don't want to speak with you anymore casue the PCE was not fascist. Maybe you, your family and your descedents are. See you never
The FASCIST PCE showed it's alliance to Stalin during the Barcelona May Days in May of 37; only 9 months into the war. They were not fascist? Obviously you know nothing of their suppression of the real workers revolution in rear guard.
The CNT saved the day on 7/18/36, they distributed the arms to workers who initially stopped the fascist.
All the PCE leaders captured by Franco were execued.
NONE of he CNT FAI members captured by Franco were executed: Mera was released TWICE. No republican minister saved his life but Federica Montseny.
Do you need more proofs to see who where the friends of the fascists?
OK: read anarchist newspapers of 1937 where they said they were only interested in their "revolution" and they prefered fascists better than republican reformists.
Thousands of CNT militiamen were executed, including Durrutti. Whom was shot by a Stalinist element and spy while fighting in the polytechnica.
I love your 'first win the war' BS, which is what the Bolsheviks told the Ukranians, its what Napoleon told the French & also what Fidel told the Cuban revolutionaries.
IF the war so important, why did the PCE divert thousands of troops to Catalonia to suppress the CNT & POUM? All the while Teruel and Zaragosa remain in enemy hands?
You are totally right, but today's anarchist deny the facts.
Only Durruti understood that they should pospone their revolution. First winning the war, then ending with the state.
As you mentioned the anarchist colomns denied any authority so their efictivity was close to zero. Only Durruti managed to stop thier retreas and their chaos. Maybe that's why a bullet came out from his own colomn, after he called cowards many of his men.
Superficially, the Brigades fought for an elected government, against fascism, and for communism.
In reality, they (not literally they) helped squash the CNT anarchist revolution taking place in Spain, they also arguably saved Madrid in the early days of the war.
Take everything with a shot of salt, history can be tricky.
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Poor taste to be singing the socialist anthem in honour of the International Brigades, who as mentioned, supported the Republican government, and not the socialist movement.
Tens of thousands of working class men from over 50 countries joined the International Brigades and came to Spain in an expression of true internationalist solidarity. If there's one song that's appropriate for remembering them, it's the Internationale.
That is not working class internationalism, especially when it was the same "working class men from over 50 countries" who were quelling the revolution under Stalin's orders.
communism and fascism are two words for the same thing. tyranny. the international brigadiers unfortunately were used as pawns by the communists to strengthen their power in Spain.i am not taking away from their heroism i am stating a historical fact.
bouse23 1 year ago
@bouse23 Do not confuse capitalist lies with historical facts. Communism for all its occcasional failures is about making peoples lives better, fascism is about ending them. Fascism has nothing to do with communism but is in fact an offshoot of capitalism. With the failure of the capitalist economies in the thirties capitalists turned to fascism to try and stop the left. Fascism seeks to distract the workers with mindless nationalism and also leaves the property rights of the rich intact.
MrHistoryman45 1 year ago
@MrHistoryman45 Stalin pol pot and Kim Jon IL the gulags the killing fields the purges are occasional failures are they? again i repeat communism and fascism are two words for the same thing tyranny.i suggest you read a book about the Spanish civil war see how many brigadiers were shot dead by their own side how the communists starved non communist units of resources i respect the men who fought in the brigades but i don't respect totalitarian regimes
bouse23 1 year ago
@bouse23 You mean read a book written by some right wing American retard telling me how lucky we are that we can work our whole lives to makes a few thieves even richer? No one in history has been more lied about than Stalin. If you are capable of thought (as opposed to swallowing whatever lies the media tell you) you will realise there is is a reason. Stalin and the USSR were an an inspiration to millions. Without Stalin the USSR would never have withstood the Nazi onslaught.
MrHistoryman45 1 year ago
@bouse23 (continued) Had the West been sensible enough to accept Stalins overs of help in 1938 Hitler could have been stopped sooner and at a far lesser price. Some brigaders were shot by their own side - the republic was sadly divided and some of those factions were more interested in infighting than fighting the Fascists - the Communists were the strongest and best opponents of Fascism. Pol Pot claimed he was a communist, his actions revealed otherwise.
MrHistoryman45 1 year ago
@bouse23 Communism is about forward progress, not going back to the year zero. I could claim to be a right Tory but my views and actions would show the truth, Pol Pots claims are worthless. May I suggest you take your ill informed opinions elsewhere - no doubt there'll be videos put up by Palin's chimps tea party you'll pass for an intellectual among them.
MrHistoryman45 1 year ago
@bouse23 Do you respect America or the UK. How is what they did any different than what Stalin or Hitler did? They have killed and enslaved millions of people and stolen vast wealth and land from them for their own interests. Nearly all the land in America was either stolen from Mexico or Native Americans. We either forced them out or shot them on the spot. If you knew anything about communism or socialism you'd know that those mentioned didn't follow them, they followed their own desires.
PyroPredator 10 months ago
@bouse23 (continued) Apart of course from the odd racial minority but capitalists will always make sacrifices (of others) to preserve their own profit. Since the war the capitalist powers led by the US have occasionally promoted fascism when it has been necessary to curb a powerful workers movement (Greece, Chile etc). The international brigadiers were not pawns of anyone but courageous and intelligent people who clearly saw the reality. May their memory be an example to us all in these times.
MrHistoryman45 1 year ago
as good as always pol..keep it up pal
LoveFrusciante 1 year ago
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parodian 1 year ago
no pasaran
greetings from spain
always in our memory
yuri26j 1 year ago
NO PASARAN!
sabradan 1 year ago
Greetings from Texas, Comrades. The guy singing and playing the guitar is awesome!
GayTexanCommunist 2 years ago 4
End Capitalism.
NEWREDDAWN 2 years ago 20
NOSOTROS!!!
vindev 2 years ago
Jack Jones & Bob Doyle came to Barcelona 1 era ago to the hommage to the International Brigades, in the 70th anniversary of their retreat.
It was a pleasure meeting those HEROES.
Common people who sacrified their youth fightong agains fascism, fighting in the battlefields of Spain for DEMOCRACY and LIBERTY.
NO PASARAN
FAEMINOSMITH 2 years ago 5
Go ahead Anarchists if you believe in your cause put together the kind of highly centralized and organized political campaign that can put people of different backgrounds on the streets raise money and be in 50 states at once and win the presidency. Oh wait you can't decide on what to have for lunch together and everybody even people with nothing to say talks at your meetings and nothing ever gets done. Theres only 1 way Anarchists can win. not be anarchists.
TemujinMSM 2 years ago
@TemujinMSM
I'm a socialist/anarchist but I think you're being very unfair towards Anarchists, Anarchism is a broad spectrum and at the end of the day they're basically fighting for the same cause as socialists, just in a different way. Long live Anarchism!
CountryQuestion 1 year ago
@TemujinMSM
Honestly? Grow up.
osconchur89 1 year ago
The Anarchists in the Spanish Civil War aided the Fascists by attacking the forces of the United Front which included Republicans Socialists and Communists who had different values but were united in the imperative of stopping fascism . The Anarchists were the best thing Franco could have ever wished for. The biggest force that has changed America is the African American communities use of peaceful highly disciplined struggle inspired by Christian teachings and emerging from the workers
TemujinMSM 2 years ago
@TemujinMSM
[citation needed]
osconchur89 1 year ago
so raslikmuzik its so sad that you dont have a computer. With all my privleges I cant imagine being you. Though I wonder how the hell you are talking to me online. Whats it like in North Korea where you live. I have always wondered. The news and my government standardized textbooks taught us to hate and fear you
TemujinMSM 2 years ago
communism has a horrible track record if you watch Fox CNN or NBC or grew up attending American public schools. Its called propaganda. Power is the ability to achieve purpose that takes organization. How could anarchists ever put together a campaign violent or nonviolent to overthrow a state/the bourgeoisie. They cant they all just do their own thing. so they end up leeching off communists and other organized movements such as the anarchists at the mostly peaceful WTC protest in Seattle
TemujinMSM 2 years ago
LOLZ. This coming from a kid in the US with high speed internet and his own PC. You know nothing of communism, and have never lived in N. Korea or communist China. You know very little of state repression, or what the term 'liberty' truly means.
Communism has a horrible track record anywhere so called communist regimes have been installed.
Dont get me wrong, Communists & Anarchist have the same critique of Kapitalism, but the methods to do away with it or VERY different.
raslikmuzik 2 years ago
Anarchist are what got Americans the 8 hour work day, womens suffarage, etc. It wasn't communists too busy idealizing Stalin, it wasn't private kapitalists investing in society.
Your argument against Anarchism demonstrates how little you truly know regarding Anarchist theory.
How can state run kapitaliists ever do away with the state and allow workers to run the economy? (This is true communism) not just worship Fidel, or Che, or Kim Jong-Il, or Mao, or Stalin.
raslikmuzik 2 years ago
Of course I might be wrong being comunist. Believing in a strong state dedicated to peace, education and supllying people all their needs for a complete development.
Maybe it's stupid believing in social justice, but I really don't believe in anarchy.
"Así tomados de uno en uno nada somos"
FAEMINOSMITH 2 years ago
Believe what you want mate, but the reality is that 20th century communism has a horrible track record. Maybe 21st communism will be different, but looking at Venezuela, probably not.
Workers must control the so-called state, not politicians. I know you see a difference between state run kapitalism (ie 20th century communism) and privatized kapitalism, but there really isnt any. Also, Im sure you wouldnt want to live in North Korea. I however would have loved to live in Catalonia in summer 36
raslikmuzik 2 years ago
Anarchism is the desire to overthrow the current system so you can be in charge instead. Anarchism never lasts. it leaves a vacuum for the people with the most resources the most cajones and or the most willingnesss to use force and violence will take over again and make the rules to thier advantage. Till someone takes them down. Im not sure I could recognize the difference between anarchy and the way things are now
TemujinMSM 2 years ago
In anarchist thought, there is no power vaccum. The power is within the working class, and it is up to workers to put down any power grabs from anyone, esp. socalled communists (state kapitalists) who differ little from privatized kapitalists.
raslikmuzik 2 years ago
Lluis Romero, one of the most brilliant experts on Spanish Civil War, tells how were Durruti's end: his colomn was fighting in CHAOS in Parque del Oeste, near Ciudad Universitaria.
They panicked and retreated without any order running into the city. The moroccan arrived to Princesa street.
Durruti was anoyed for his men behaviour. He called them cowards and when he turned a TRUE ANARCHIST shot his "naranjero"...WHY? Because it seems you get anoyed when you hear the true things you don't like.
FAEMINOSMITH 2 years ago
Shooting innocents is better left to requetes or communists, you guys like killing off alternative perspectives.
You quote Romero, are you aware that he too wrote of the PCE suppression and was himself a CNT militiamen?
Lolz you communists are so simple minded, and lazy. "Let the state do it all," haha haa.
raslikmuzik 2 years ago
Louis Fischer tried to purchase wheapons in USA for the Republica but Secretary of State Cordell Hull always gave the information of the transports to Franco.
Stalin briefly made the Molotov-Ribentrop alliance with Hitler that meant the end of the Republica, as they supplied no more Polikarpovs nor guns.
Daladier refused to sell wheapons and closed the borders. Stalin took advantage of that. If he would have been a true friend, he would have sold the wheapons half the price (not doubled)
FAEMINOSMITH 2 years ago
Also your anarchy = chaos theory is completely debunked when you analyze what happened in the first 6 months of the war. on July 18 when the army staged the coup, it was not the PCE who stopped the fascist, nor was it the Republican government in Madrid, It was the Workers unions, from the CNT/FAI to UGT who were armed, and according to you with little 'discipline,' yet managed to put down the professional army's coup.
I know it hurts to realize you've supported Stalin and his policies.
raslikmuzik 2 years ago
Ha, ha, ha: it hurts seing that all the CNT FAI leaders captured were respected alive by Fascists.
All the comunists leaders captured were executed... it means CLEARLY something.
MERA & CNT: the best men of FRANCO.
Our political ideas are totally oposed.
But being comunist doesn't mean being stalinist, this reductionism is lame.
If the Spanish Comunist would have been Stalinist they would have won the war. Stalin just made bussiness with the burgeouis government.
FAEMINOSMITH 2 years ago
You completely ignore the history from July 18 1936 til about May 5 1937. Catalonia remained free, under Anarchist control. Anarchists rarely shot captives, including requetes. The PCE on the other hand had a different approach, therefore they paid in different terms.
To say Anarchism and communism are completely opposed is stupid. Marx himself called for a stateless soceity, he just trusted a 'transitional' govt. to govern into it anarchy. The PCE was not 'temporary'
raslikmuzik 2 years ago
Also being communist doesnt make you stalinist. But calling the PCE during the war 'freedom fighters' is dead wrong. You ignore the popular suppressions by the govt. during and BEFORE the war.
The Anarchists had no reason to defend the Republic, yet they did. You cant deny this. But the fight was doomed when western govts denied us all access to weapons and munitions.
Spain was doomed to fascism with either Franco or the PCE. I know it hurts you to think you've been wrong all along, haha
raslikmuzik 2 years ago
Dear Irish friends: in this video I'm seing many of you I had the chance of meeting in Barcelona a few months later than this vid was taken. Jack and Bob, marvellous men, tru heroes. And also the friends of the International Brigades who came to the hommage tha Brigadsits received in the 70th aniversary of their goodbye to Spain. THANKS BORTHERS!!!
VIVA LA XV BRIGADA
NO PASARAN
We shall overcome!!!!
FAEMINOSMITH 2 years ago
those three old men are heroes
anongoat 2 years ago
The anarchists were just that anarchists what anarchists really believe is not that no one should be in charge but that I should be in charge. They attacked soldiers on their own side and ultimately helped the facists they were really worse than the facists themselves. At least you knew what side they were on
TemujinMSM 2 years ago 2
the anarchists were the first to organise resistance against the fascists. the FAI were great.
anongoat 2 years ago
Great? You may read in newspapers of that time that they prefered the fascist rather than the burgouise republic, their revolution rather than winning the war with union and discipline.
Their role in the final days of the war:
They Betrayed the defenders of Madrid and gave the victory to Franco and the prisions crowded of loyal republicans.
It's a shame that can't fe forgotten.
NO PASARAN... but CNT killed the men who defended Madrid in March 1939, as Luis Barceló. A shame.
FAEMINOSMITH 2 years ago
The CNT betrayed the Republic? Negrin had prepared a plane bound for France, while ordering Madrids defenders to fight to the death (really brave huh?).
Teurel had fallen, Catalonia had Fallen, Valle de Ebro had fallen, Valencia and Madrid were surronded; the war was over and the 'Junta' was for preventing further death and destruction, and for 'surrender with honor.'
They didnt betray, the Republic. The Republic betrayed them earlier in the war, Look up 'Barecelona May Days'
aeleenrock 2 years ago
The CNT were the only, truly, ANTiFASCIST element in Spain during the war. Franco without a doubt was Fascist. But so too were the Stalin backed communists in Spain. It was the communists who squashed 'la revolucion social' early on in the war.
The CNT was for real worker control, the Communists wanted Spain to be a puppet for Stalin. When the war began, who stopped the initial uprisings while the govt. slept? Armed CNT workers.
Youre so-called facts are the manufactured lies of Salin.
aeleenrock 2 years ago
The facts are that all the people involved in Casado's betrayal saved their lives:
Mera captured and forgiven.
Federica Montseny, Largo Caballero... they all saved their lives eventhough Vichy nazis captured them.
On the other hand Lluis Companys and Julian Zugazagoitia were killed by Franco.
BUT; you are not kind, you are not civilizated and I don't want to speak with you anymore casue the PCE was not fascist. Maybe you, your family and your descedents are. See you never
FAEMINOSMITH 2 years ago
You don't even know whom Casado was, look him up:
WAR IN SPAIN: Casado's Coup
Time Magazine, March 13, 1939
(in google)
The FASCIST PCE showed it's alliance to Stalin during the Barcelona May Days in May of 37; only 9 months into the war. They were not fascist? Obviously you know nothing of their suppression of the real workers revolution in rear guard.
The CNT saved the day on 7/18/36, they distributed the arms to workers who initially stopped the fascist.
raslikmuzik 2 years ago
All the PCE leaders captured by Franco were execued.
NONE of he CNT FAI members captured by Franco were executed: Mera was released TWICE. No republican minister saved his life but Federica Montseny.
Do you need more proofs to see who where the friends of the fascists?
OK: read anarchist newspapers of 1937 where they said they were only interested in their "revolution" and they prefered fascists better than republican reformists.
It happened like this and I'm not Stalinist.
FAEMINOSMITH 2 years ago
The thing was WINNING THE WAR
not my revolution is so beautiful.
Anarchist position was selfish and not realistic. Their organization was nulle.
That's why Negrin had no other chance than stopping their revolution i Barcelona.
I know t hurts you but first was winning the war to fascists.
Stalin was not frined of the Republica. He SOLD wheapons per twicw the real price, as Negrin declaired, but they had no other supplier.
FAEMINOSMITH 2 years ago
Thousands of CNT militiamen were executed, including Durrutti. Whom was shot by a Stalinist element and spy while fighting in the polytechnica.
I love your 'first win the war' BS, which is what the Bolsheviks told the Ukranians, its what Napoleon told the French & also what Fidel told the Cuban revolutionaries.
IF the war so important, why did the PCE divert thousands of troops to Catalonia to suppress the CNT & POUM? All the while Teruel and Zaragosa remain in enemy hands?
raslikmuzik 2 years ago
You are totally right, but today's anarchist deny the facts.
Only Durruti understood that they should pospone their revolution. First winning the war, then ending with the state.
As you mentioned the anarchist colomns denied any authority so their efictivity was close to zero. Only Durruti managed to stop thier retreas and their chaos. Maybe that's why a bullet came out from his own colomn, after he called cowards many of his men.
FAEMINOSMITH 2 years ago
Superficially, the Brigades fought for an elected government, against fascism, and for communism.
In reality, they (not literally they) helped squash the CNT anarchist revolution taking place in Spain, they also arguably saved Madrid in the early days of the war.
Take everything with a shot of salt, history can be tricky.
raslikmuzik 2 years ago
Tricky, it's true: Cipriano Mera CNT military head surrendered Madrid to Franco by killing the last defenders.
Please read about Casado "coup d'etat" and you will see the terrible betray to the Republic and how it caused thousand of deaths.
FAEMINOSMITH 2 years ago
It is beyond me, what a desktop revolutionary is doing trawling Socialist Tributes to make a seemingly, elitist remark.
How will you advance the 'Class War' you talk about?
From here, or from the little Capitalist Haven where you reside?
However, i agree with you about Bono:-)
seanfan69 3 years ago
Most things are likely to be beyond you, given your slavering over the number 69.
Class war is engaged in class struggle, through organisations. One of which I'm in. How about you Sean?
Where I live is a bit busier than Isle of Mann, don't you worry.
Socialist tributes? Let me know when you see one eh?
DANxTHExRED 2 years ago
The singer has been a left activist from his early teens, what are you doing Comrade?Sitting in your mums watching youtube.
This is a tribute to men who gave their lives.
Good man Pol.
seanfan69 3 years ago
Says the guttersnipe who doesn't respond directly, and has a sex position adorned in his name.
No tribute for Stalin's puppets.
DANxTHExRED 3 years ago
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Poor taste to be singing the socialist anthem in honour of the International Brigades, who as mentioned, supported the Republican government, and not the socialist movement.
DANxTHExRED 3 years ago
Tens of thousands of working class men from over 50 countries joined the International Brigades and came to Spain in an expression of true internationalist solidarity. If there's one song that's appropriate for remembering them, it's the Internationale.
cobrolchain2 3 years ago 16
To fight fascism, not proclaim socialism.
That is not working class internationalism, especially when it was the same "working class men from over 50 countries" who were quelling the revolution under Stalin's orders.
DANxTHExRED 3 years ago
Super, how about some more? Love your version of "The Red Flag"
Kensobrill 3 years ago
Beatiful. I only have to say: ¡¡¡¡VIVA LA REPUBLICA!!!!!¡¡¡¡¡NO PASARAN!!!!!
banpiro 3 years ago
Top man Pól. Well done !!
southtipp 3 years ago
excellent video
i really enjoyed it
thanks
yeahmako 3 years ago