i found the "cruelty" part quite weak. cruelty is a human trait that goes well beyond religious beliefs. You can say that those who never doubt of their convictions are less likely to restrain themselves, but this applies to religious believers as well as many other "believers" (e.g. ss, khmer rouge, zionists, western troops operating in iraq & afghanistan).
I am not 100% convinced also about the reason for the execution of Bruno. As far as I know, his pantheist beliefs were the main reason.
Another wonderful video. I did a study many years ago, many first memories were of getting hit for a lapsed potty trip.
Thank you for another intersting history lesson since I heard the wonders of the Inguisition while in Catholic School witch, of course, gives the side that the wonderful Church was saved from heretics. How I wish I could redo my childhood and never attend that indoctrination. Love your new toy
It wasn't actually a CNN poll, but a Pew Research Center study. The test was absurdly easy too. I think I'm almost as frightened by the fact that 4% of respondants identified the author of Moby Dick as being...Stephen King.
@tenneral hmmm I wonder. The feeling that things are getting worse or pining for mythical "good old times" seems universal. I bet Romans 2000 years ago thought much the same thing.
200 years ago, a fair proportion of the population couldn't read. By any measure, that is worse. I think maybe the difference today is that ignorant people, thanks to the internet, have a much bigger platform to exhibit their lack of education for all the world to see. They're louder, not more numerous, perhaps.
I recall loads of 3-4 yr old experiences, but have a single 1 1/2 yr age event. I was hiding glass marbles in my mouth while my mother attend to the needs of my baby sister in her crib in an apartment that preceded the more familiar hose of many more memories.
@AtheistCitizen That is a very, very early memory indeed. These days, I have to think twice about what I ate at the last meal, but some events before the age of 10 are clear is crystal. C'est la vie!
Christianity itself isn't a problem because there are many forms and it might have some true teachings, but its the way it has been created as an institution which allows for a power structure to be created allowing people to control others.... a form of mind control and the catholic church is the worst form it seems or most powerful.
It's pleasant to listen to you, as usual, but I cant but point out the very british "...when he returned to Europe..." part: he actually never left Europe (going to the british islands) ;)
@narsil1984 Very true indeed, although I fear the English of the 1590s always regarded the Continent as foreign territory where wars were fought, quite separate from the comparative isolation of Britain in its widest sense.
Delightful viewing, as always. And I recently visited Rome myself and I have to say it was one of the (if not the) most beautiful cities I've ever visited.
I didn't know about Giordano Bruno, so thank you for enlightening me. I am constantly amazed that in this day and age, the ignorance and misery that are such good bedfellows of religion continue to thrive and flourish. Yesterday, I climbed the tower of Boston Stump in my hometown. I can stand and marvel at the architecture of the 700 year old building, and understand why the people of 1390 considered such a marvellous edifice to religion to be necessary. They knew no better. But today?
@RobNorthampton How true. But I think in your lifetime - and perhaps in mine too - we shall see a great dissolution of Christianity in our country. I am also optimistic that our native way of life may melt the harsher pretensions of certain other religions that have sprung up lately.
Your discussion of Bruno reminds me a bit of an infuriatingly tendentious and fecklessly stupid little book on Galileo I read a couple years ago, written by a Roman Catholic priest.
The execrable folderol this hooting primate mined from his hindquarters and smeared across the page formed a sequence of Roman characters that would have the reader believe Galileo was threatened with the stake and confined to house arrest for his final sixteen years not for contradicting scripture, but Aristotle.
@polymath7 This was a familiar excuse. Mind you Aristotle, together with his obvious blunders, was regarded as having authority equal to an Old Testament prophet in the Middle Ages. I feel a future video will treat of this nonsense!
I have just finished reading The Pope & The Heretic by Michael White which gives an excellent account of Giordanano Bruno. Just to add to what you said about Bellarmine the church rewarded him in 1930 when he was canonized, so much for their regret.
@Tridhos Not only did they canonize Bellarmine in 1930, just a year later they declared him Doctor Ecclesiae (Doctor of the Church), a title that only 33 people were given throughout all of history. That way they made him as important as St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas.
@RustyTube Nothing like rubbing the salt in the wound is there. At that rate in another 100 years he will probably get promoted to Arch Angel. Thanks for that info.
@Tridhos I had no idea that Bellarmine had been 'elevated to the Altar'. Perhaps there's hope for Torquemada having the same rehabilitation one day : after all, Pius XII is well on the way, despite his well-known and deplorable actions and attitudes during the Second World War.
@tenneral It's interesting that in 1942 Cardinal Mercati who discovered the lost documents relating to Bruno's Roman trial, declared that the Church had been perfectly right to burn Bruno because he had deserved it. Also that Galileo's own trial followed because there were those in the Vatican that viewed him as a resurrected Bruno. What is amazing is that a Cardinal of the Catholic Church would regard burning an individual as appropriate for whatever crime in the 20th century.
And to the right of your excellent video, I see twenty others about Giordano Bruno. His resolve, and the pretense of an apology four centuries later, continues to assist people in seeing how an institutional culture can lose all sense of reality. Well said, Michael.
@drchaffee Thank you. I am confident that knowledge will prove to be the solvent that effectively undermines religion. Luke 8 : 17 is true and once we all realise what was done in the past, no one will endure this nonsense in future. The problem is only that certain people refuse to accept knowledge, preferring the comforts of wooden ignorance.
@flyingfisbeefilms Ostia Antica, a mile or two to the west of Rome. It used to be the harbour of Rome but became silted up over the centuries and so it was abandoned. Hence the very extensive and impressive ruins : I recommend a visit.
My first memory is at the age of two; my family were sea gypsies and we were sailing away from the country of my birth. I remember watching in confusion as the land slowly got smaller. I asked my dad why the land was going away (at two, I thought the boat static, the land moving).
Yet another great video...HOW do you DO it! If I had a sparkly ball I would be very tempted to throw it in the ocean and watch it dance on the waves, pretty sure the tide would return it, tides are so much more dependable than gods.
"Death to the heretic who hath thine sparkly globe .. he must die, .. for it is not of this world"!!!
Doesn't it make you wonder what amazing unbelievable things they will have in, lets say 500 years time. .. i bet they finally get that personal jet pack working. ( as seen in the James Bond film Thunderball)
@bonnie43uk Yes indeed : I'm sorry that we shall not be around to see such things, and the collapse through neglect of religious buildings throughout Europe & beyond.
Earliest thing I can remember? Attempting to push my nan into the deep end of a swimming pool on holiday in Gran Canaria and instead falling in myself. I was only about four so I couldn't swim... That's probably why I remember it - The distress :(
Interesting vid as always tenneral keep up the good work :D
I love your videos Tenneral. Most of the time I don't know of the subjects as I'm not what you would call an educated person but it inspires me to go and look things up (sorry, mostly it's on the internet).
You, along with other educators will make the world a better place for us all. Hopefully free from superstition and the ''supernatural''
Cardinal Ballarmino was notorious in protestant northern Europe. There's a type of 17th century stoneware jug that has the image of a bearded face on the neck of the vessel, fragments of which turn up on most 17th century archaeological sites I've worked on. These are often called Bellarmine Jugs, sometimes called Bartmann Jugs. A useless fact that might interest.
@krysylys Me too! ex-Pennyman, King's Army 'The King and the Cause, the Church and the Laws, Charles King of England and Prince Rupert of the Rhine!' :)
@Asciarius ECWS then? I'm ex-Owen's SKS. :) "There's neither Swallow, Dove, or Dade Can soar more high or deeper wade Nor show a reason from the stars What causeth peace or civil wars The man in the moon May wear out his shoon By running after Charles his wain But all's to no end, For the times will not mend Till the King enjoys his own again..."
My mother bought one of those balls for my son. Pretty neat. I think she got it at Blokker (a chain of stores in the Netherlands and Belgium). Only thing is: How do you change the battery? ;-)
It always amuses me how religion, Christianity especially, EVOLVES to fit with and absorb the knowledge of the times. Evolution is such a fact of life, there is almost no facet of our existence that doesn't have a "Darwinian" explanation. Including religion.
I look at life today and realize that most if not all people alive today would be branded heretics, blasphemers, witches, ect. if religion did not evolve, and maintained unchanging ideology.
I really don't understand why the RCC tries to defende the inquisition. Lets just play along with their defence:
Defence: A secular court had Bruno burnt.
Reply: So the church interrigated Bruno, found him to be in violation, and handed him over to the court who had him killed. This improves their action how?
Defence: He was killed because of his theology.
Reply: I don't really care if he was killed becase of his taste in music or theology, it was still wrong.
i found the "cruelty" part quite weak. cruelty is a human trait that goes well beyond religious beliefs. You can say that those who never doubt of their convictions are less likely to restrain themselves, but this applies to religious believers as well as many other "believers" (e.g. ss, khmer rouge, zionists, western troops operating in iraq & afghanistan).
I am not 100% convinced also about the reason for the execution of Bruno. As far as I know, his pantheist beliefs were the main reason.
fradiavolo11 1 year ago
In my catholic school hangs a paper:
"We help orphans of AIDS deaths. Donate us!"
It's so cynical and so cruel both...
mardastheEitheist 1 year ago
Bravo sir Bravo.
morgathing 1 year ago
LOL Then Bellarmine would have made a ring out of it.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
A quote I have used in conversations with fundamental christians.
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin"
Cardinal Bellarmino 1615, during the trial of Galileo.
Makes one confident in thinking that if he was so wrong about the first part, he could very well be wrong about everything.
PlayfulGibbon 1 year ago
good stuff mate :)
DecentralizedByGuilt 1 year ago
lol - just as the ball lit up, I said to myself "Burn him! Burn the sorceror!"
My best joke instantly wasted.
jazzx251 1 year ago
Another wonderful video. I did a study many years ago, many first memories were of getting hit for a lapsed potty trip.
Thank you for another intersting history lesson since I heard the wonders of the Inguisition while in Catholic School witch, of course, gives the side that the wonderful Church was saved from heretics. How I wish I could redo my childhood and never attend that indoctrination. Love your new toy
CerisePsyche 1 year ago
Refusing even to consider a difference between knowledge and belief. They perceive them as interchangeable terms.
Cool ball:)
angryislander56 1 year ago
Witchcraft... I dunno... do you float?
JuryDutySummons 1 year ago
Bravo, as always. Thoroughly enjoyed this --
stzach 1 year ago
It wasn't actually a CNN poll, but a Pew Research Center study. The test was absurdly easy too. I think I'm almost as frightened by the fact that 4% of respondants identified the author of Moby Dick as being...Stephen King.
LynxChan 1 year ago
@LynxChan Thanks for the correction. All the same I feel that the illiterates are taking us over!
tenneral 1 year ago
@tenneral hmmm I wonder. The feeling that things are getting worse or pining for mythical "good old times" seems universal. I bet Romans 2000 years ago thought much the same thing.
200 years ago, a fair proportion of the population couldn't read. By any measure, that is worse. I think maybe the difference today is that ignorant people, thanks to the internet, have a much bigger platform to exhibit their lack of education for all the world to see. They're louder, not more numerous, perhaps.
LynxChan 1 year ago
I recall loads of 3-4 yr old experiences, but have a single 1 1/2 yr age event. I was hiding glass marbles in my mouth while my mother attend to the needs of my baby sister in her crib in an apartment that preceded the more familiar hose of many more memories.
AtheistCitizen 1 year ago
@AtheistCitizen That is a very, very early memory indeed. These days, I have to think twice about what I ate at the last meal, but some events before the age of 10 are clear is crystal. C'est la vie!
tenneral 1 year ago
Excellent as always. :)
TheTruePooka 1 year ago
@TheTruePooka indeed an excellent treatment of an excellent topic..
AtheistCitizen 1 year ago
excellent video as always - loved the globe at the end - where do I get one!?!
cailleacbhuer 1 year ago
@cailleacbhuer My brother is a great one for finding such odd toys : I've never seen such things in a shop round here.
tenneral 1 year ago
Christianity itself isn't a problem because there are many forms and it might have some true teachings, but its the way it has been created as an institution which allows for a power structure to be created allowing people to control others.... a form of mind control and the catholic church is the worst form it seems or most powerful.
OneMove33 1 year ago
@OneMove33 It has some true teachings the same way a broken clock is right twice a day.
RustyTube 1 year ago
@RustyTube Very true comment; and in that respect it is just the same as all other religions of course.
tenneral 1 year ago
It's pleasant to listen to you, as usual, but I cant but point out the very british "...when he returned to Europe..." part: he actually never left Europe (going to the british islands) ;)
narsil1984 1 year ago
@narsil1984 Very true indeed, although I fear the English of the 1590s always regarded the Continent as foreign territory where wars were fought, quite separate from the comparative isolation of Britain in its widest sense.
tenneral 1 year ago
Hey tenneral, Could you add a link to this study in the video description? Thanks!
newexperiment 1 year ago
Delightful viewing, as always. And I recently visited Rome myself and I have to say it was one of the (if not the) most beautiful cities I've ever visited.
Fig075 1 year ago
I didn't know about Giordano Bruno, so thank you for enlightening me. I am constantly amazed that in this day and age, the ignorance and misery that are such good bedfellows of religion continue to thrive and flourish. Yesterday, I climbed the tower of Boston Stump in my hometown. I can stand and marvel at the architecture of the 700 year old building, and understand why the people of 1390 considered such a marvellous edifice to religion to be necessary. They knew no better. But today?
RobNorthampton 1 year ago
@RobNorthampton How true. But I think in your lifetime - and perhaps in mine too - we shall see a great dissolution of Christianity in our country. I am also optimistic that our native way of life may melt the harsher pretensions of certain other religions that have sprung up lately.
tenneral 1 year ago
As always it has been a pleasure to watch one of your videos
Sezlar 1 year ago
Your discussion of Bruno reminds me a bit of an infuriatingly tendentious and fecklessly stupid little book on Galileo I read a couple years ago, written by a Roman Catholic priest.
The execrable folderol this hooting primate mined from his hindquarters and smeared across the page formed a sequence of Roman characters that would have the reader believe Galileo was threatened with the stake and confined to house arrest for his final sixteen years not for contradicting scripture, but Aristotle.
polymath7 1 year ago
@polymath7 This was a familiar excuse. Mind you Aristotle, together with his obvious blunders, was regarded as having authority equal to an Old Testament prophet in the Middle Ages. I feel a future video will treat of this nonsense!
tenneral 1 year ago
I smile and enjoy all your commentaries!
Thank you sir for your awesome contributions to my list of subscriptions!!!
I truly appreciate your sharing of your wisdom.
bobster451 1 year ago
Amen.
MikeOfKorea 1 year ago
I have just finished reading The Pope & The Heretic by Michael White which gives an excellent account of Giordanano Bruno. Just to add to what you said about Bellarmine the church rewarded him in 1930 when he was canonized, so much for their regret.
Tridhos 1 year ago 2
@Tridhos Not only did they canonize Bellarmine in 1930, just a year later they declared him Doctor Ecclesiae (Doctor of the Church), a title that only 33 people were given throughout all of history. That way they made him as important as St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas.
RustyTube 1 year ago
@RustyTube Nothing like rubbing the salt in the wound is there. At that rate in another 100 years he will probably get promoted to Arch Angel. Thanks for that info.
Tridhos 1 year ago
@Tridhos I had no idea that Bellarmine had been 'elevated to the Altar'. Perhaps there's hope for Torquemada having the same rehabilitation one day : after all, Pius XII is well on the way, despite his well-known and deplorable actions and attitudes during the Second World War.
tenneral 1 year ago
@tenneral It's interesting that in 1942 Cardinal Mercati who discovered the lost documents relating to Bruno's Roman trial, declared that the Church had been perfectly right to burn Bruno because he had deserved it. Also that Galileo's own trial followed because there were those in the Vatican that viewed him as a resurrected Bruno. What is amazing is that a Cardinal of the Catholic Church would regard burning an individual as appropriate for whatever crime in the 20th century.
Tridhos 1 year ago
the ending is brilliant! :)
NORTHERNKONFLIKT 1 year ago
And to the right of your excellent video, I see twenty others about Giordano Bruno. His resolve, and the pretense of an apology four centuries later, continues to assist people in seeing how an institutional culture can lose all sense of reality. Well said, Michael.
drchaffee 1 year ago
@drchaffee Thank you. I am confident that knowledge will prove to be the solvent that effectively undermines religion. Luke 8 : 17 is true and once we all realise what was done in the past, no one will endure this nonsense in future. The problem is only that certain people refuse to accept knowledge, preferring the comforts of wooden ignorance.
tenneral 1 year ago
Rome or Pompei at the end?
flyingfisbeefilms 1 year ago
@flyingfisbeefilms Ostia Antica, a mile or two to the west of Rome. It used to be the harbour of Rome but became silted up over the centuries and so it was abandoned. Hence the very extensive and impressive ruins : I recommend a visit.
tenneral 1 year ago
Well, the fundies give rise to much fun on YouTube; Just look at the videos by Claire AKA RHYMEMAIDEN1 ;-)
skinnyjohnsen 1 year ago
My first memory is at the age of two; my family were sea gypsies and we were sailing away from the country of my birth. I remember watching in confusion as the land slowly got smaller. I asked my dad why the land was going away (at two, I thought the boat static, the land moving).
WavegirlThinks 1 year ago
Niggling point, the religious quiz was devised and collated by the Pew Research Center, not CNN.
So far as your godfather being invisible in your life, well he was your GODfather, what else did you expect?
I disagree about the godparents of religion, they are dogma, greed and an overweening lust for power.
colourmegone 1 year ago
@colourmegone I concede to your excellent analysis of the godparents. Religion seems to have been informed by a right crowd of bastard spirits!
tenneral 1 year ago
Very enjoyable. Thank you sir.
TalladegaTom 1 year ago
Yet another great video...HOW do you DO it! If I had a sparkly ball I would be very tempted to throw it in the ocean and watch it dance on the waves, pretty sure the tide would return it, tides are so much more dependable than gods.
meltingwitch 1 year ago
Burn witch Burn!!! lol. Interesting and informative as ever! I should be taking notes!
kalsolarUK 1 year ago
"Death to the heretic who hath thine sparkly globe .. he must die, .. for it is not of this world"!!!
Doesn't it make you wonder what amazing unbelievable things they will have in, lets say 500 years time. .. i bet they finally get that personal jet pack working. ( as seen in the James Bond film Thunderball)
bonnie43uk 1 year ago
@bonnie43uk Yes indeed : I'm sorry that we shall not be around to see such things, and the collapse through neglect of religious buildings throughout Europe & beyond.
tenneral 1 year ago
Brilliant video!
Lpoolboy 1 year ago
Ooh, shiny ball.
qerguil 1 year ago
@qerguil 'Tis sorcery most vile! He has surely communed with demons!
antonc81 1 year ago
Ignorance, anger, and fear are the three poisons of life. They bring suffering and death, causing untold damage to the human mind.
If it was between ignorance and cancer, I'd pick cancer.
ajr5086 1 year ago
Earliest thing I can remember? Attempting to push my nan into the deep end of a swimming pool on holiday in Gran Canaria and instead falling in myself. I was only about four so I couldn't swim... That's probably why I remember it - The distress :(
Interesting vid as always tenneral keep up the good work :D
Blackjack030190 1 year ago
I love your videos Tenneral. Most of the time I don't know of the subjects as I'm not what you would call an educated person but it inspires me to go and look things up (sorry, mostly it's on the internet).
You, along with other educators will make the world a better place for us all. Hopefully free from superstition and the ''supernatural''
Love you man! You rock!
Zed1967 1 year ago
My first memory? : Orange shag carpet covered stairs. Apparently I was a toddler in our first apartment when I saw that.
Otokogoroshi 1 year ago
Earliest memory?
There was a bright light, then someone hit me.
:)
SpiritKeeper 1 year ago
@SpiritKeeper Well, of course, I might believe you, but then again . . . . !
tenneral 1 year ago
My first memory is a holiday to spain of a scary golden sunflower metal sculpture (dont ask).
You made me think of a good line : You will not be disappointed that you didn't go to heaven (for believers) .
robthesamplist 1 year ago
Wonderful video as always, thanks.
cosmos11 1 year ago
Are you sitting in a confessional booth?
geyser 1 year ago
Cardinal Ballarmino was notorious in protestant northern Europe. There's a type of 17th century stoneware jug that has the image of a bearded face on the neck of the vessel, fragments of which turn up on most 17th century archaeological sites I've worked on. These are often called Bellarmine Jugs, sometimes called Bartmann Jugs. A useless fact that might interest.
Asciarius 1 year ago
@Asciarius
That is not a useless fact at all.
I have drunk deeply from many a Bellarmine jug during my time as an English Civil War re-enactor.
This is the first time I've understood the insult it represented.
:)
krysylys 1 year ago
@krysylys Me too! ex-Pennyman, King's Army 'The King and the Cause, the Church and the Laws, Charles King of England and Prince Rupert of the Rhine!' :)
Asciarius 1 year ago
krysylys 1 year ago
@Asciarius Most true. My family used to own such a thing, turned into a table lamp.
tenneral 1 year ago
My mother bought one of those balls for my son. Pretty neat. I think she got it at Blokker (a chain of stores in the Netherlands and Belgium). Only thing is: How do you change the battery? ;-)
wimsweden 1 year ago
@wimsweden Sadly, it had a label saying that once the battery dies, the whole toy must be replaced.
tenneral 1 year ago
yet another great video.
veteran87s 1 year ago
It always amuses me how religion, Christianity especially, EVOLVES to fit with and absorb the knowledge of the times. Evolution is such a fact of life, there is almost no facet of our existence that doesn't have a "Darwinian" explanation. Including religion.
I look at life today and realize that most if not all people alive today would be branded heretics, blasphemers, witches, ect. if religion did not evolve, and maintained unchanging ideology.
Great video as always.
Bluevolution 1 year ago
PS: I miss the old 'Well hi there!' opening. But even without it I'd just like to say more videoes please! :)
Elipson3 1 year ago
I really don't understand why the RCC tries to defende the inquisition. Lets just play along with their defence:
Defence: A secular court had Bruno burnt.
Reply: So the church interrigated Bruno, found him to be in violation, and handed him over to the court who had him killed. This improves their action how?
Defence: He was killed because of his theology.
Reply: I don't really care if he was killed becase of his taste in music or theology, it was still wrong.
PR + RCC = Empty solution set
Elipson3 1 year ago
I very much enjoy your videos tenneral, always interesting and educational. You're one of my favourite contributors on YouTube.
:thumbs up:
jonredhornet 1 year ago
Good video,keep 'em coming.
hunga224 1 year ago
Another brilliant video!
LVskywalker 1 year ago