Video #1, "Rick's Pipe Dream" Magnetic Motor - Generator Project

[d3v07]

I was expecting to get RickRoll'd

[YouTooArchives]

Long winded with no demo.

[TheRickoff]

It took time to develop these ideas, and it takes time to explain them adequately. I don't assume that everyone watching is a magnet guru or mechanical wizard. You will see plenty of demos if you take time to watch the series. Patience is a virtue, so have some, please.

[TheRickoff]

Keep in mind that I am not here to satisfy the whims of whiners and complainers. I am posting this series in order to make it possible for ANYONE with basic skills and knowledge to build, set up, and operate this device. To that end, my aim is to leave nothing unanswered. Full disclosure, that's my promise.

[YouTooArchives]

Than please demo it first and than explain it. As the old saying goes, don't put the cart before the horse. There is a big difference between so called whining and those who simply want more action and less talk. Yes, explaining things in great detail is fine. But somewhere along the way you need to demo it, regardless whether it works or not. No whining here, rather you're not letting us see it spin without you stopping it time and again... regardless if it works or not.

[TheRickoff]

Look YTA, if you really feel this dissatisfied then why do you keep coming back? This is the way I prefer to demonstrate my techniques, and it is how I will continue. Each time you see the wheel move, even if briefly, that is a demo in itself. Some of my clips do show continued spinning and accelleration, so I don't see why you are complaining. There are many people subscribing to my videos because they do want to learn what I am teaching, and apparently see no problem with how I do that.

[Cloxxki]

Rick, great work! How does Mylow being a fishing line fraud effect your theories?

I hate Mylow's trick, but a smarter man can do better. There are ways!

[TheRickoff]

Cloxxki - I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Mylow's results as fraudulent. After all, I have shown in video #2 the forces he is using to achieve rotation, and they do work. I am simply showing that there are better ways, using my MOSTAT methods.

[Cloxxki]

A week laer, and Mylow is a self-admitted fraud. Mostats change the story for me though. Opportunities with magnet shielding I am also open to, for static stators.

[knowledgemonger]

Think of magnetic shielding as adding many more little magnets to direct where the lines of force goes and you will see why adding shielding doesn't help. When you bring poles together and then move them apart again, if you get back to your starting position you always get exactly zero net energy change. Adding more and more stuff just makes it harder to keep track of all of the poles. It doesn't change the basic problem.

[TheRickoff]

That's why I am keeping things simple, and why I have no intention of employing shielding.

[knowledgemonger]

You didn't however put down just one magnet and make careful measurements with it and then put down a second an make more measurements. Many magnets makes the situation more complex but doesn't solve the underlying problem that the average torque is zero.

[TheRickoff]

You have no way of knowing what I have or have not done, and the magnet configuration I am using is what I find works best. There is sound reasoning behind everything that I have done, and it has all proven positive so far. The average torque is only zero in your mind, not in my MOSTAT (moving stator) method.

[PESNetwork]

Nice set-up and intentions. You may answer this already somewhere, but you might edit your description to include the type of metal you use in the frame. Non-magnetic, I presume. -- Sterling

[TheRickoff]

Hi Sterling. The frame is all PVC pipe and fittings, and I am using stainless steel hardware in any critical areas, such as the stator magnet mounting block. The screws binding the PVC fittings are common #6 zinc sheet metal screws, and while magnetic, they are far enough from the wheel to not cause interference.

[knowledgemonger]

You said "no trickery" too much. There is nots of room inside those pipes for batteries and coils and electronics.

[TheRickoff]

I suppose there is room enough, but I assure you that room is only filled with air. I knew there would be some doubters, but what makes you think that this can not work? If you will build this to my specifications, I will guarantee that it will do whatever I show it doing in my videos. Care to take that challenge?

[knowledgemonger]

I know the physics of how magnets interact. The force between two poles is a function only of their current positions. It doesn't matter if you get to those positions coming and going.

Consider only one pole on the rotor and only one on the stator. Obviously, the average torque must be zero because the mirror image of the machine must make the mirror image's torque. The curve of torque vs angle of this simple case will go above and below zero.

(more in next reply)

[knowledgemonger]

(more to above)

Now consider what happens when you add more poles. You take the poles in pairs and work out the torque for every possible pairing of those poles. The torque curves add together. Since every curve you have included in the sum averages to zero, the total curve also must average to zero.

As a result no combination of poles on a rotor and stator can ever make an average torque other than zero.

I hope you can follow my explanation.

[TheRickoff]

Sorry again, k.m. Your assumptions are incorrect. This is all about using magnetic forces of attraction and repulsion to advantage. Watch the videos closely, and learn from them. All will become clear to you in time.

[knowledgemonger]

I have watched many of them.  I have also learned a lot of physics in my life. The math for figuring out the attraction and repulsion between poles isn't hard to do.

[TheRickoff]

Sorry, k.m., but your understanding is incorrect, and you can prove this easily with a bike wheel, still on a bike, and 2 magnets. Lay the bike on its side and make the front wheel as level as possible. Place one magnet on the rim with north pole facing up. Hold the other magnet in your fingers, with north facing toward the bike wheel magnet, and move in closer. The wheel will forcefully begin rotating because of the repulsive effect, which is quite strong if using neo magnets.

[knowledgemonger]

You are the one who is not understanding. When you bring the magnet into the position where it repels, you have to do work. The magnets are already repelling as you bring them together. This is like you are compressing a spring and when the wheel turns away it is like the spring decompressed. The energy that is causing the rotation came from you not the magnets.

[TheRickoff]

Try watching video #5, k.m. You will see that I am slowly and easily moving the stator magnet, and that the energy produced by the magnetic interaction, and the revolving wheel, is much greater than the energy required to move the stator magnet.

[knowledgemonger]

I just watched video #5 this comment is about both.

Remember that it takes a very week force to cause the wheel to turn. You are holding a magnet in your hands and moving it into place. This takes force from your hands. The force between the magnets is being seen by the wheel and your hands. Your hands are supplying the energy to the system. You can prove this if you make measurements of the forces involved and the distances of motion.

[TheRickoff]

There definitely is force required from my hands. The greatest force to overcome is the very strong attraction just after the strong repulsion as the last magnet of a group passes the MOSTAT magnet. With the magnet mounted in a fixture, that force is removed from the equation, and the remaining forces are easily overcome.

[TheRickoff]

In my next video I will show how mounting the MOSTAT (HD) magnet on a stator arm effortlessly keeps the MOSTAT magnet at an optimal height above the rotor magnets, and how the stator arm can then be pivoted back and forth across the wheel rim with relative ease.

[TheRickoff]

Edit: I am not quite finished with the stator arm video yet, but that will be on video #8. In the meantime, I have just uploaded Video #7, which shows how powerul the little rotor magnets actually are. I think you'll find that quite interesting.

[knowledgemonger]

I suggest you measure the force required to move the magnet. This way you can work out how much energy you are putting into the system.

[knowledgemonger]

If you need to move the stator magnet to make the wheel turn, this will still be the path that the energy comes in from your hand. Remember that it takes very little to make the wheel move.