Former heavyweight world champion Joe Frazier was arrested in February 2004 after police responded to a 911 domestic violence call from his North Philadelphia home. When police arrived a woman, the mother of Frazier's son, answered the door. She told the police that Frazier had hit her and there were injuries to her face to back up the claim. The charges were later dropped, after the woman refused to testify against Frazier
@CANTTOUCHMEBICH Uncle Toms like yourself are a disgrace to your own race. However a man who names himself: ''cant touch me bich'', spelling bitch wrong, can not be taken serious.
@CANTTOUCHMEBICH. Do you know how many white folks that ran to Canada and Europe to avoid fighting for the country. Our former president Bill Clinton was an example. At least he didn't burn the US flag, he didn't escape to another country. He paid the price doing time. Did the American society in the 60s accept him after getting gold for his country? no colored here, no colored allowed white only spots, etc. What business do we have in Vietman? its was a waste of war
@CANTTOUCHMEBICH. In addition, he did said he will fight if it was his people in trouble (black folks). He didn't want to go kill Vietnamese who never called him a nigger. Have you thought about maybe the government was just trying to kill him because of his believe?
I stand correct on what I said , It's a well known fact Frazier back in those days like Joe Louis referred to Muhammed Ali as ''Cassius Clay'' regarding the athletes you are on about is ridiculous claims now that is bullsh!t he was the one that was trying to united his brothers and sisters uplifting there morale . Muhammed Ali was the peoples Champ Joe Frazier was the establishment champ
The reason why Muhammed Ali , taunted Joe Frazier was because Frazier back in the days refused to Call Muhammed Ali by his name he taunted by referring him as clay all the time so Ali fired back by calling him a Uncle tom a gorilla etc Frazier started it Ali just finished it
@King2011ish That's bullshit and you know it. Ali thought that ANY athlete who didn't actively talk about Civil rights was an Uncle Tom and he would tell them so. What pissed Ali off was that Frazier made the comment that he was glad they both worshipped the same God,when they were both analyzing their first fight with Howard Cosell.Frazier was trying to pay Ali a compliment and Ali didn't take it so.
@Madzombie51 Screw you racist bitch. Just because one Muslim guy was being an ass, doesn't mean you can say that shit to all of us. Show your face and I'll make it 100 times uglier than it already is (which isn't saying much).
Joe isn't a gorilla you faggots. Ali never meant that. He only did that to promote the fight and was an idiot to do so, because it resulted in Joe being threatened by people and his Joe's kid, Marvis, being taunted and mocked in school, called 'Gorilla Jr.' etc...
His name's Joe not gorilla. He's a legend and a true boxer.
Ali crossed the line with this. It pushed Frazier into a rage, which physically damaged Ali and psychically damaged Frazier. They were born to fight each other, but this did cross the line.
Muhammad Ali, referring to his remarks about Joe Frazier 30 years ago: ''I said a lot of things in the heat of the moment that I shouldn't have said. Called him names I shouldn't have called him. I apologize for that. I'm sorry.''
I respect your views if you approach it beyond the ring and I'm a man that understands the association between greatness and impact..However as boxing evolves and history unravels many are starting to think Joe Frazier was the greatest boxer.(you tube "Ali and Frazier The Hatred") Frazier made Ali.he was his friend..gave him money gave him his career back AND LOVED ALL PEOPLE while fighting with just one eye before being turned on for being himself.ALI never apologized. Joe Frazier=the Greatest
What Ali said about Frazier was not cool. Joe Frazier supported him when he lost his license and even gave him money when he was broke. The comments about Frazier being a gorilla and uncle Tom deeply hurt him and he still carries those scars today. I can't for the life of me figure out why people celebrate the insults that Ali hurled at Frazier.
EVERY SINGLE THING ALI SAID WAS TRUE!!Foreman will ALWAYS beat Frazier,Foreman will ALWAYS beat Norton,and Ali will ALWAYS beat Foreman..because styles make fights......
It's unlikely that Foreman would have lost to Ali again, at least not if he didn't lose his cool. Foreman beat himself and fought a dumb fight. He had all the physical tools to destroy Ali, and almost did, but was foolish and angry enough to let Ali get to him and make him waste his energy punching wildly.
Foreman proved you wrong here in all of his efforts after the Ali fight. Just look at how Jimmy Young OWNED HIM in 77.
No, Foreman didn't learn anything from the Ali fight, and it was years later before he came back smarter. The Foreman of the 90's was a totally different man than the Foreman of the 70's.
He learned, but by then a rematch was nowhere on the radar. Foreman spent the final years ducking a post champ Larry Holmes. Some say that's why he "retired" for 10 years.
Foreman had emotional and psychological problems that led to him to retiring from boxing and not being his best in the Young fight. Of course he probably would have lost to Ali and almost any other top boxer that particular night. But after Ali he also beat Ron Lyle who was beating Ali for most of the fight when he fought him, until Ali gained the upper hand late in the fight (some say it was stopped prematurely). It's hard to believe that Foreman would have fell for the rope a dope again.
Anyone who thinks Foreman retired just to duck Holmes does not know what they are talking about. He left to become a minister. He'd fought scarier men than Holmes. And as far as his comeback, why would he be intimidated to fight a fat old Holmes when he retired, when he fought a young Holyfield in his prime. I agree that Foreman didn't get his life in order, and didn't smarten up until he was physically too old to be the force he was in his prime.
Foreman admitted he ducked Holmes friend. He also admitted he ducked Earnie Shavers. Foreman is one of the most intelligent, honest men around the game.
I am a fan big time, but I think Holmes would have beaten him. They were supposed to fight in 2000 and again in 2001; both times Foreman backed out.
No biggie. He has nothing to prove, but I'd still love to see this fight even today. This fight should have happened 30 years ago.
Perfect styles for a great fight even today with 2 old guys.
I hadn't heard Foreman say that he ducked Holmes but I'll take your word for it that he may have avoided him at one point in his career. But even if that's the case I think it's absurd to think that he retired for a decade simply to avoid Holmes. I think in his late career he wanted big paydays and a title. Maybe Holmes couldn't provide either. I don't know.
They were talking about a fight in 77, then Big George retired suddenly after losing to Young. There was another serious effort in 99 where Holmes actually offered to cut his own pay to 4 million where Big George would have gotten 10 million.
Foreman backed out.
I say again, I'd still like to see it even today. It'd be more exciting than the shit they call boxing today. The sport has gone down the crapper big time.
There's a few reasons why heavyweight boxing isen't what it used to be. I think part of it is that mixed martial arts has stolen some of the fans and some of the athelets. Secondly the current top heavyweights are methodical and don't take a lot of chances. Someone like Tyson whose fights almost always end in a knockout is much more exciting to watch. On a side note I want to see this Ali Young fight. I'm hearing that it was a pro-Ali decisions where the other guy got robbed. I'm curious.
Before tuning in, be sure to pop a few NoDoz. Or better yet, smoke some crack, because it's just that damn boring. It was a horrible display by a lethargic, fat Ali vs a challenger with no ambition to take the fight to the champ.
I'd be curious as to your take on the scoring. Did Young deserve to be heavyweight champ of the world after that pathetic display?
Young was at least landing clean shots and out-working Ali in most of the rounds.
Young's display was no more pathetic than Ali turning up overweight and barely landing a decent punch all night, a recurring theme in his later title defenses.
Nor was Young putting his noggin through the ropes any worse than Ali's tactics, like trying to hit Young with his forearm or going minutes without throwing a single punch. In headier times he'd have been thrown out of the ring for not fighting.
No argument here; Ali was more a businessman than a fighter at this stage. There was just no way he was going to get motivated to train hard for Jimmy Young.
Ali's performance was pathetic. And yet Young was unable to do anything against a pathetic Ali. Boring, boring, boring.....
They both deserved to be boo'd out of the arena. As it stands, Young was never deserving of the title "champ". He never packed the goods.
After the Norton fight, he just faded into opponent status where he belonged.
Unable to do anything except out-box the champ. Yeah it was a yawnathon but Young got the job done in his way.
Young's wins over Foreman and Lyle out-strip any individual wins Holmes had. To my mind he also deserved decisions against Ali, Shavers and Norton. That's a better resume than many heavyweights. He lost a lot of heart when he didn't get the Norton verdict and was out-of-shape and unmotivated for most of his subsequent fights.
These days Foreman claims to have ducked or tried to duck virtually everyone, so I take his words on that matter with a veritable pinch of salt.
They could have fought in '76 when Foreman was on the comeback and Holmes still an obscure contender. Foreman was interested in Holmes because he was looking an Ali clone in preparation for their rematch. The fight fell through because Holmes got injured, but I suspect his camp weren't keen on risking him against George at that point.
Didn't Foreman's wife threaten to leave him if he ever fought again? Dunno what two fat 60-somethings fighting each other would prove now. Would've been great to see them meet in their primes though.
It was a glorious age for pro boxing. Ali was indeed king. I recall his final years when he beat Jimmy young and Earnie Shavers.
Young went on to beat Foreman and Shavers went on to beat Norton. So, Ali prolonged his retirement one year and played games with Leon Spinks, then Larry Holmes.
All of those final efforts were just ploys to gain attention and make a few dollars while he still could. Ali didn't win those last 2 bouts, but he still captivated the world.
Ouch! Actually, I'm not an Ali devotee. And any round where Young cowered under the ropes goes to Ali. You can't win a championship running and cowering.
Had Young fought Ali like he did Foreman, then maybe things would have worked out better for him. As it stands, Ali went on to beat Shavers who killed Norton who beat Young who then began a slow decline, losing to just about everybody outside of club fighter status.
Young was slick, awkward and had guts for sure. But no way did he defeat Ali.
When people just repeat themselves, the debate is conceded. Young was horrible that night against an out of shape Ali.
When the bell rand to end that bore, nobody thought either man deserved anything but the bum's rush. Surely Young didn't earn a victory for running and cowering between the ropes.
He should have been warned once, had a point deducted, then disqualified. It would have been merciful to those of us watching. Young was just NOT champ material.
Former heavyweight champion Joe Frazier, 60, was arrested in February 2004 and charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment. According to Philadelphia cops, Smokin' Joe's victim was the 44-year-old mother of one of his sons
Former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier recently was arrested in North Philadelphia for assaulting a woman in a domestic dispute, police said.
Frazier, 60, was charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
Former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier recently was arrested in North Philadelphia for assaulting a woman in a domestic dispute, police said.
Frazier, 60, was charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
Former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier recently was arrested in North Philadelphia for assaulting a woman in a domestic dispute, police said.
Frazier, 60, was charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
who the fuck did tyson fight bro....educate yourself ..how many true champs...pinklin thomas..renaldo snipes..42 year old holmes...he was 1 dementional...and don kings $ machine,,when he finaly fought holyfield...he got exposed...lennex louis....he was a walking circus...and still is...no dis tward u bro...just im a boxer and an ali fan...read up on it...and dont forget how he was treated...america couldent even whip em son
He also fought Holyfield after rusting away in prison for 3 years. Yeah, that's great training for the mind and body. Plus, if you look at when Tyson got "exposed" it was against Bruno and then Douglas. Both fights after he left Rooney. The same trainer that helped hone his skills and continued to get him better all the way up to Spinks. Same Trainer who had him undefeated and kept him active which is very important for a fighter.
Bruno exposed Tyson that he wasn't as good without Rooney and proper training. Roger Mayweather actually discussed this with Tyson's fall.
Holmes wasn't 42; I think he was 38. Holmes wasn't in his prime but Tyson did knock him out cold. And Holmes went on to fight some quality opponents and never was knocked out again. Beat Mercer, lost to McCall by decision and lost to Holyfield by decision.
By the time he got to Lewis he was absolutely shot. They even mentioned it in the Botha fight right before he knocked him out. And a good eye would have told you he was never quite the same since leaving Rooney.
Question: Was Tyson as good a fighter after he left Rooney?
What we don't know with Tyson was how good he actually was or could have been if he continued to progress, especially given how young he was and his improvement as a fighter from 18-20, 20-22.
Just remember: Ali lost to Leon Spinks who only had 7 fights (or so). Got TKO"d by Holmes and lost to Berbick. As well as a few others.
Point: Neither were the same after a certain point. Tyson when he left Rooney and Ali after he came back from exile. However, there is no question Ali is on top because he was able to come back off that exile and not being the same fighter continued to win against quality opponents. Tyson however tailed off and went down hill.
Ali is such a deuschbag, I wish him and Tyson could have squared off in their primes so he could get his ass knocked the fuck out. Tyson is much more of a gentleman and in his prime was a better fighter than he ever was.
If you are a racist, yeah...then I guess calling a black man a "Gorilla" would be funny. Joe didn't find it funny nor do I. Ali had "white" blood in him and was lighter skin than Frazier. Insecurity at its best.
There was everything wrong with Cassius Clay as far as he was concerned and since it was his name and he didn't like it, especially since it was the name of a slave owner who owned his ancestors, a proud man like him had every right to despise it.
Secondly he became a muslim and chose a muslim name for himself. Not many muslim casius clays since in Islam the name of a person has history attached to it.
Lastly Ali wasn't being racist. He was one of the strongest advocates of black rights.
he wasnt calling him a gorilla in a racist manner stupid shit.. he called him gorilla because of Fraizer's size like when he called Sonny liston a bear. its becuase they were big and strong. and he called the other guy uncle tom ecause he was dis respected first... so get your shit right.!!!!
Ali also called Frazier ugly and made fun of his features. Ali even went as far as flattening his own nose to laugh at Joe's "gorilla" like features...or was that to make fun of something more personal based on Ali's own insecurity towards Frazier's appearance and being that Ali may have lacked?
If he wanted to say Frazier is a gorilla because of strength/size, he could have said that but he didn't. He called Frazier a flat nose ugly pug.
But hey, being called a Gorilla can also be seen as a compliment (if used right).
I saw a program about how Gorilla's are very loyal; loyal to their family and protective. They are quiet and go about their business but if you fuck with them, they will pound their chest as a warning. Come closer and move pass that warning, and they will attack.
So yes, I guess Frazier did fit the remark of a Gorilla although not in the way Ali used it. I don't find Gorilla's ugly either nor bad.
After all, it was Frazier who was loyal to Ali in helping him get his license back.
Although maybe it was wrong for Frazier to not address Ali by his Muslim name and continue on calling Ali "Clay" {his birth name his parents gave him}. I could see that as a wrong.
Frazier only did that because Ali taunted him so much. Frazier was not a smart man and could not think of a comeback so he did the only thing he could think of to insult Ali, calling him Clay.
orange.. he called him a gorilla beacause he was just rhyming his words the figt name ''thriller in manilla" ,so gorilla would be the perfect name to go with that
Yes, but Ali was also calling attention to Frazier's traditional negroid features in contrast to his own. It was a calculated shot meant to unglue Frazier.
And it worked. If you may recall, for years in America, whites disparaged blacks with gorilla and monkey remarks. Some still do!
Ali knew just how to get under a man's skin. That was part of his plan with each outing in addition to good promotion. The gorilla remark was hurtful to Frazier. Ali knew just where to salt an emotional wound.
@TheMaximumLife yes i see where you coming from but thats what boxing is all about..you have got to aggrivate your apponent and break his spirit and confidence,thats what made ali a champ he dissed all his apponents ,it was his way ..
Disrespected first? I'm curious to hear how you justify Ali calling Frazier 'uncle Tom'. If he had a good reason he wouldnt have apologised afterwards, so we can all admit he was just being an huge prick.
their will be a killer and a thriller and a chiller, when I get the Gorilla in Manila. lol hip hop before hip hop
aksyn47 1 month ago in playlist Greatest Of All Time
lmao this is crack me up, Ali was good promotor, don king was out of job
kkhunter87 3 months ago
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fuck you who the fuck do you think you are calling frazier a gorilla
ChelseaFC4life24 3 months ago
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Former heavyweight world champion Joe Frazier was arrested in February 2004 after police responded to a 911 domestic violence call from his North Philadelphia home. When police arrived a woman, the mother of Frazier's son, answered the door. She told the police that Frazier had hit her and there were injuries to her face to back up the claim. The charges were later dropped, after the woman refused to testify against Frazier
tapiaassasin 3 months ago
ali is a fukin prik that pussy was even scared to fight for his country he is a disgrace to black people
CANTTOUCHMEBICH 3 months ago
@CANTTOUCHMEBICH Uncle Toms like yourself are a disgrace to your own race. However a man who names himself: ''cant touch me bich'', spelling bitch wrong, can not be taken serious.
michaelyouth 2 months ago
@CANTTOUCHMEBICH. Do you know how many white folks that ran to Canada and Europe to avoid fighting for the country. Our former president Bill Clinton was an example. At least he didn't burn the US flag, he didn't escape to another country. He paid the price doing time. Did the American society in the 60s accept him after getting gold for his country? no colored here, no colored allowed white only spots, etc. What business do we have in Vietman? its was a waste of war
aksyn47 1 month ago in playlist Greatest Of All Time
@CANTTOUCHMEBICH. In addition, he did said he will fight if it was his people in trouble (black folks). He didn't want to go kill Vietnamese who never called him a nigger. Have you thought about maybe the government was just trying to kill him because of his believe?
aksyn47 1 month ago in playlist Greatest Of All Time
@CANTTOUCHMEBICH Umm no he wasnt scared to fight for his country, he just didnt want to kill people from another country for no reason.
Krayzy8Mazza 2 weeks ago
Frazier was pissed about that until he died.
weefout 3 months ago
Do you guys know for a black man to call another black man gorilla was a form of racism.
Ali wasn't the nicest back then.
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@shoulderollHD ali is a fukin prik that pussy was even scared to fight for his country he is a disgrace to black people
CANTTOUCHMEBICH 3 months ago
Muhammad Ali was the greatest at cuttin' promos!!!1
phatalbert73 3 months ago
the thumbnail pic looks funny
etrrll123 5 months ago
ali is the greatest no doubt :)
AzNAnhKhoa 6 months ago
I can hear Don King over everyone else.
rhcpdude 7 months ago
@m14mann
I stand correct on what I said , It's a well known fact Frazier back in those days like Joe Louis referred to Muhammed Ali as ''Cassius Clay'' regarding the athletes you are on about is ridiculous claims now that is bullsh!t he was the one that was trying to united his brothers and sisters uplifting there morale . Muhammed Ali was the peoples Champ Joe Frazier was the establishment champ
King2011ish 10 months ago
@King2011ish ur mom was the etstablishement champ, do u know how frazier lived when he was young??
smokinlefthook 5 months ago
The reason why Muhammed Ali , taunted Joe Frazier was because Frazier back in the days refused to Call Muhammed Ali by his name he taunted by referring him as clay all the time so Ali fired back by calling him a Uncle tom a gorilla etc Frazier started it Ali just finished it
King2011ish 10 months ago
@King2011ish That's bullshit and you know it. Ali thought that ANY athlete who didn't actively talk about Civil rights was an Uncle Tom and he would tell them so. What pissed Ali off was that Frazier made the comment that he was glad they both worshipped the same God,when they were both analyzing their first fight with Howard Cosell.Frazier was trying to pay Ali a compliment and Ali didn't take it so.
M14Mann 10 months ago
The greatest!!!
quiquecongals 11 months ago
Does anyone know who has that toy gorilla now?
GeddyRules2112 11 months ago
how is it possible to criticize muhammad ali seriously the best boxer to ever set foot in side a ring
Allandicksonx 1 year ago
what a legend
Allandicksonx 1 year ago
ali is the greatest of all time
1oktay1 1 year ago
this is gay
ChrizDeejay 1 year ago
Ali is just another, typical Muslim shit.
Madzombie51 1 year ago
@Madzombie51 and ur a son of a bitch u lil gayass fucker
1oktay1 1 year ago
@Madzombie51 Screw you racist bitch. Just because one Muslim guy was being an ass, doesn't mean you can say that shit to all of us. Show your face and I'll make it 100 times uglier than it already is (which isn't saying much).
truebeliever786 11 months ago
Joe isn't a gorilla you faggots. Ali never meant that. He only did that to promote the fight and was an idiot to do so, because it resulted in Joe being threatened by people and his Joe's kid, Marvis, being taunted and mocked in school, called 'Gorilla Jr.' etc...
His name's Joe not gorilla. He's a legend and a true boxer.
truebeliever786 1 year ago
Ali crossed the line with this. It pushed Frazier into a rage, which physically damaged Ali and psychically damaged Frazier. They were born to fight each other, but this did cross the line.
mmcneil777 1 year ago
i'm Ali hard die fan. but change that title!
nazirdjon 1 year ago
Muhammad Ali, referring to his remarks about Joe Frazier 30 years ago: ''I said a lot of things in the heat of the moment that I shouldn't have said. Called him names I shouldn't have called him. I apologize for that. I'm sorry.''
nazirdjon 1 year ago
I'm still beat George foreman everyday in the week. HAAAAAAAAAA
polos505 1 year ago
Joe ain't a gorilla. Joe rules.
IslamGuideCom 1 year ago
I feel a cold chill down my spine, I have heard the soul piercing laugh of DON KING!!
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
I respect your views if you approach it beyond the ring and I'm a man that understands the association between greatness and impact..However as boxing evolves and history unravels many are starting to think Joe Frazier was the greatest boxer.(you tube "Ali and Frazier The Hatred") Frazier made Ali.he was his friend..gave him money gave him his career back AND LOVED ALL PEOPLE while fighting with just one eye before being turned on for being himself.ALI never apologized. Joe Frazier=the Greatest
tim23tom23 1 year ago
What Ali said about Frazier was not cool. Joe Frazier supported him when he lost his license and even gave him money when he was broke. The comments about Frazier being a gorilla and uncle Tom deeply hurt him and he still carries those scars today. I can't for the life of me figure out why people celebrate the insults that Ali hurled at Frazier.
reallycoolguy121 1 year ago
@reallycoolguy121
it's a joke
if you think that Frazier was "hurt" by those comments then you must be a fool
he was a heavyweight boxer, not some little girly sissy boy like you
BlueLeopard200 1 year ago
@reallycoolguy121
100% true. I'm glad Ali apologised to Joe but the damage is still there. What Ali did was completely unjustifiable.
IslamGuideCom 1 year ago
Idk about you people but muhammad ali was one of the motivational speakers ive ever heard
thefury187 1 year ago
so funny ali the greatest
fuerst8 1 year ago
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he's a gorilla then he's still a gorilla now, fuck frazier and fuck you too
silvermoonredmoon 2 years ago
EVERY SINGLE THING ALI SAID WAS TRUE!!Foreman will ALWAYS beat Frazier,Foreman will ALWAYS beat Norton,and Ali will ALWAYS beat Foreman..because styles make fights......
onlyjoetee 2 years ago
It's unlikely that Foreman would have lost to Ali again, at least not if he didn't lose his cool. Foreman beat himself and fought a dumb fight. He had all the physical tools to destroy Ali, and almost did, but was foolish and angry enough to let Ali get to him and make him waste his energy punching wildly.
jknj1975 2 years ago
@jknj1975 bullshit.
Haassan1 2 years ago
Impressive response. Well thought out and intelligently stated.
jknj1975 2 years ago
Foreman proved you wrong here in all of his efforts after the Ali fight. Just look at how Jimmy Young OWNED HIM in 77.
No, Foreman didn't learn anything from the Ali fight, and it was years later before he came back smarter. The Foreman of the 90's was a totally different man than the Foreman of the 70's.
He learned, but by then a rematch was nowhere on the radar. Foreman spent the final years ducking a post champ Larry Holmes. Some say that's why he "retired" for 10 years.
TheMaximumLife 2 years ago
Foreman had emotional and psychological problems that led to him to retiring from boxing and not being his best in the Young fight. Of course he probably would have lost to Ali and almost any other top boxer that particular night. But after Ali he also beat Ron Lyle who was beating Ali for most of the fight when he fought him, until Ali gained the upper hand late in the fight (some say it was stopped prematurely). It's hard to believe that Foreman would have fell for the rope a dope again.
jknj1975 2 years ago
Anyone who thinks Foreman retired just to duck Holmes does not know what they are talking about. He left to become a minister. He'd fought scarier men than Holmes. And as far as his comeback, why would he be intimidated to fight a fat old Holmes when he retired, when he fought a young Holyfield in his prime. I agree that Foreman didn't get his life in order, and didn't smarten up until he was physically too old to be the force he was in his prime.
jknj1975 2 years ago
Foreman admitted he ducked Holmes friend. He also admitted he ducked Earnie Shavers. Foreman is one of the most intelligent, honest men around the game.
I am a fan big time, but I think Holmes would have beaten him. They were supposed to fight in 2000 and again in 2001; both times Foreman backed out.
No biggie. He has nothing to prove, but I'd still love to see this fight even today. This fight should have happened 30 years ago.
Perfect styles for a great fight even today with 2 old guys.
TheMaximumLife 2 years ago
I hadn't heard Foreman say that he ducked Holmes but I'll take your word for it that he may have avoided him at one point in his career. But even if that's the case I think it's absurd to think that he retired for a decade simply to avoid Holmes. I think in his late career he wanted big paydays and a title. Maybe Holmes couldn't provide either. I don't know.
jknj1975 2 years ago
They were talking about a fight in 77, then Big George retired suddenly after losing to Young. There was another serious effort in 99 where Holmes actually offered to cut his own pay to 4 million where Big George would have gotten 10 million.
Foreman backed out.
I say again, I'd still like to see it even today. It'd be more exciting than the shit they call boxing today. The sport has gone down the crapper big time.
TheMaximumLife 2 years ago
There's a few reasons why heavyweight boxing isen't what it used to be. I think part of it is that mixed martial arts has stolen some of the fans and some of the athelets. Secondly the current top heavyweights are methodical and don't take a lot of chances. Someone like Tyson whose fights almost always end in a knockout is much more exciting to watch. On a side note I want to see this Ali Young fight. I'm hearing that it was a pro-Ali decisions where the other guy got robbed. I'm curious.
jknj1975 2 years ago
Yea, Ali - Young....
Before tuning in, be sure to pop a few NoDoz. Or better yet, smoke some crack, because it's just that damn boring. It was a horrible display by a lethargic, fat Ali vs a challenger with no ambition to take the fight to the champ.
I'd be curious as to your take on the scoring. Did Young deserve to be heavyweight champ of the world after that pathetic display?
What are people thinking?
TheMaximumLife 2 years ago
Young was at least landing clean shots and out-working Ali in most of the rounds.
Young's display was no more pathetic than Ali turning up overweight and barely landing a decent punch all night, a recurring theme in his later title defenses.
Nor was Young putting his noggin through the ropes any worse than Ali's tactics, like trying to hit Young with his forearm or going minutes without throwing a single punch. In headier times he'd have been thrown out of the ring for not fighting.
FlaviusConstantius 2 years ago
No argument here; Ali was more a businessman than a fighter at this stage. There was just no way he was going to get motivated to train hard for Jimmy Young.
Ali's performance was pathetic. And yet Young was unable to do anything against a pathetic Ali. Boring, boring, boring.....
They both deserved to be boo'd out of the arena. As it stands, Young was never deserving of the title "champ". He never packed the goods.
After the Norton fight, he just faded into opponent status where he belonged.
TheMaximumLife 2 years ago
Unable to do anything except out-box the champ. Yeah it was a yawnathon but Young got the job done in his way.
Young's wins over Foreman and Lyle out-strip any individual wins Holmes had. To my mind he also deserved decisions against Ali, Shavers and Norton. That's a better resume than many heavyweights. He lost a lot of heart when he didn't get the Norton verdict and was out-of-shape and unmotivated for most of his subsequent fights.
FlaviusConstantius 2 years ago
@FlaviusConstantius
God love him; may he rest in peace.
TheMaximumLife 2 years ago
These days Foreman claims to have ducked or tried to duck virtually everyone, so I take his words on that matter with a veritable pinch of salt.
They could have fought in '76 when Foreman was on the comeback and Holmes still an obscure contender. Foreman was interested in Holmes because he was looking an Ali clone in preparation for their rematch. The fight fell through because Holmes got injured, but I suspect his camp weren't keen on risking him against George at that point.
FlaviusConstantius 2 years ago
I still believe Holmes would beat Foreman; I'd love to see these 2 go in a 3 round exhibition.
TheMaximumLife 2 years ago
Didn't Foreman's wife threaten to leave him if he ever fought again? Dunno what two fat 60-somethings fighting each other would prove now. Would've been great to see them meet in their primes though.
FlaviusConstantius 2 years ago
@FlaviusConstantius
LOL - no, it'd just be a lot of fun, and it'd give us an indication of what might have happened. Gotta love Mrs Foreman!
We should all have wives so wise....
TheMaximumLife 2 years ago
It was a glorious age for pro boxing. Ali was indeed king. I recall his final years when he beat Jimmy young and Earnie Shavers.
Young went on to beat Foreman and Shavers went on to beat Norton. So, Ali prolonged his retirement one year and played games with Leon Spinks, then Larry Holmes.
All of those final efforts were just ploys to gain attention and make a few dollars while he still could. Ali didn't win those last 2 bouts, but he still captivated the world.
Great man!
TheMaximumLife 2 years ago
Ali was a great fighter, no doubt. I'm not so sure he was a great man though.
jknj1975 2 years ago
Anyone who says Ali "beat" Jimmy Young is a devout member of The Religion of Ali.
Jimmy Young gave Ali a boxing lesson to end all boxing lessons.
Then Don King's bought and paid for 'judges' gave Ali his travesty of a 'decision.'
Ali knew perfectly well how he had been owned by Jimmy Young.
Ali couldn't look Young in the eye at the press conference after the fight.
marcxopoco 2 years ago
Ouch! Actually, I'm not an Ali devotee. And any round where Young cowered under the ropes goes to Ali. You can't win a championship running and cowering.
Had Young fought Ali like he did Foreman, then maybe things would have worked out better for him. As it stands, Ali went on to beat Shavers who killed Norton who beat Young who then began a slow decline, losing to just about everybody outside of club fighter status.
Young was slick, awkward and had guts for sure. But no way did he defeat Ali.
TheMaximumLife 2 years ago
Anyone who says Ali "beat" Jimmy Young is a member of The Religion of Ali with blinders on.
marcxopoco 2 years ago
@marcxopoco
When people just repeat themselves, the debate is conceded. Young was horrible that night against an out of shape Ali.
When the bell rand to end that bore, nobody thought either man deserved anything but the bum's rush. Surely Young didn't earn a victory for running and cowering between the ropes.
He should have been warned once, had a point deducted, then disqualified. It would have been merciful to those of us watching. Young was just NOT champ material.
TheMaximumLife 2 years ago
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Former heavyweight champion Joe Frazier, 60, was arrested in February 2004 and charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment. According to Philadelphia cops, Smokin' Joe's victim was the 44-year-old mother of one of his sons
MrPalspal 2 years ago
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Former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier recently was arrested in North Philadelphia for assaulting a woman in a domestic dispute, police said.
Frazier, 60, was charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
MrPalspal 2 years ago
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Former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier recently was arrested in North Philadelphia for assaulting a woman in a domestic dispute, police said.
Frazier, 60, was charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
ricflarefnsux 2 years ago
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Former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier recently was arrested in North Philadelphia for assaulting a woman in a domestic dispute, police said.
Frazier, 60, was charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
ricflarefucknsucks 2 years ago
who the fuck did tyson fight bro....educate yourself ..how many true champs...pinklin thomas..renaldo snipes..42 year old holmes...he was 1 dementional...and don kings $ machine,,when he finaly fought holyfield...he got exposed...lennex louis....he was a walking circus...and still is...no dis tward u bro...just im a boxer and an ali fan...read up on it...and dont forget how he was treated...america couldent even whip em son
IMRUSTYJAMES 2 years ago
He also fought Holyfield after rusting away in prison for 3 years. Yeah, that's great training for the mind and body. Plus, if you look at when Tyson got "exposed" it was against Bruno and then Douglas. Both fights after he left Rooney. The same trainer that helped hone his skills and continued to get him better all the way up to Spinks. Same Trainer who had him undefeated and kept him active which is very important for a fighter.
Orangewind 2 years ago
Bruno exposed Tyson that he wasn't as good without Rooney and proper training. Roger Mayweather actually discussed this with Tyson's fall.
Holmes wasn't 42; I think he was 38. Holmes wasn't in his prime but Tyson did knock him out cold. And Holmes went on to fight some quality opponents and never was knocked out again. Beat Mercer, lost to McCall by decision and lost to Holyfield by decision.
Orangewind 2 years ago
By the time he got to Lewis he was absolutely shot. They even mentioned it in the Botha fight right before he knocked him out. And a good eye would have told you he was never quite the same since leaving Rooney.
Question: Was Tyson as good a fighter after he left Rooney?
What we don't know with Tyson was how good he actually was or could have been if he continued to progress, especially given how young he was and his improvement as a fighter from 18-20, 20-22.
Orangewind 2 years ago
Just remember: Ali lost to Leon Spinks who only had 7 fights (or so). Got TKO"d by Holmes and lost to Berbick. As well as a few others.
Point: Neither were the same after a certain point. Tyson when he left Rooney and Ali after he came back from exile. However, there is no question Ali is on top because he was able to come back off that exile and not being the same fighter continued to win against quality opponents. Tyson however tailed off and went down hill.
Orangewind 2 years ago
Ali is such a deuschbag, I wish him and Tyson could have squared off in their primes so he could get his ass knocked the fuck out. Tyson is much more of a gentleman and in his prime was a better fighter than he ever was.
YoseyDosey 2 years ago
Tyson... is a gentleman?
Wait, is it even possible to string those four words together...?
MamuVies 2 years ago
nice vid.
zarbon700 2 years ago
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It really isnt that funny. Ali was a dick.
ExplosiveThinMan 3 years ago
Wow. Ur a real fuckin moron. :)
tksmithjr 3 years ago 2
Hilarious. Love it.
Olliewells212 3 years ago
WHEN I GOT THE GORILLA IN MANILA xD xD HE IS THE BEST EVER
fdbcity23 3 years ago 5
If you are a racist, yeah...then I guess calling a black man a "Gorilla" would be funny. Joe didn't find it funny nor do I. Ali had "white" blood in him and was lighter skin than Frazier. Insecurity at its best.
Orangewind 3 years ago
its called showman ship son
IMRUSTYJAMES 2 years ago
So if a White Person said it would be the same?
For a Black Person to call another Black Person an "Uncle Tom" and a "Gorilla"; there was nothing to it?
It certainly hurt Frazier and hurt his family.
Funny how Ali can do it to someone but when it comes back at him he doesn't like it.
Ali reacted when people refused to call him Muhammad Ali.
What was wrong with Cassius Clay anyway? Did Ali forget to read his history of who he was named after?
Orangewind 2 years ago
There was everything wrong with Cassius Clay as far as he was concerned and since it was his name and he didn't like it, especially since it was the name of a slave owner who owned his ancestors, a proud man like him had every right to despise it.
Secondly he became a muslim and chose a muslim name for himself. Not many muslim casius clays since in Islam the name of a person has history attached to it.
Lastly Ali wasn't being racist. He was one of the strongest advocates of black rights.
Gr8Candid8 2 years ago
he wasnt calling him a gorilla in a racist manner stupid shit.. he called him gorilla because of Fraizer's size like when he called Sonny liston a bear. its becuase they were big and strong. and he called the other guy uncle tom ecause he was dis respected first... so get your shit right.!!!!
willallen99 2 years ago
Ali also called Frazier ugly and made fun of his features. Ali even went as far as flattening his own nose to laugh at Joe's "gorilla" like features...or was that to make fun of something more personal based on Ali's own insecurity towards Frazier's appearance and being that Ali may have lacked?
If he wanted to say Frazier is a gorilla because of strength/size, he could have said that but he didn't. He called Frazier a flat nose ugly pug.
Orangewind 2 years ago
But hey, being called a Gorilla can also be seen as a compliment (if used right).
I saw a program about how Gorilla's are very loyal; loyal to their family and protective. They are quiet and go about their business but if you fuck with them, they will pound their chest as a warning. Come closer and move pass that warning, and they will attack.
So yes, I guess Frazier did fit the remark of a Gorilla although not in the way Ali used it. I don't find Gorilla's ugly either nor bad.
Orangewind 2 years ago
After all, it was Frazier who was loyal to Ali in helping him get his license back.
Although maybe it was wrong for Frazier to not address Ali by his Muslim name and continue on calling Ali "Clay" {his birth name his parents gave him}. I could see that as a wrong.
Orangewind 2 years ago
Frazier only did that because Ali taunted him so much. Frazier was not a smart man and could not think of a comeback so he did the only thing he could think of to insult Ali, calling him Clay.
jknj1975 2 years ago
orange.. he called him a gorilla beacause he was just rhyming his words the figt name ''thriller in manilla" ,so gorilla would be the perfect name to go with that
susweetu 2 years ago
Yes, but Ali was also calling attention to Frazier's traditional negroid features in contrast to his own. It was a calculated shot meant to unglue Frazier.
And it worked. If you may recall, for years in America, whites disparaged blacks with gorilla and monkey remarks. Some still do!
Ali knew just how to get under a man's skin. That was part of his plan with each outing in addition to good promotion. The gorilla remark was hurtful to Frazier. Ali knew just where to salt an emotional wound.
TheMaximumLife 2 years ago
@TheMaximumLife yes i see where you coming from but thats what boxing is all about..you have got to aggrivate your apponent and break his spirit and confidence,thats what made ali a champ he dissed all his apponents ,it was his way ..
susweetu 2 years ago
@susweetu
So true, and today we are all just a bit too uptight and PC. Ali was king - no doubt.
TheMaximumLife 2 years ago
"Other guy" being Joe Frazier???
Orangewind 2 years ago
Disrespected first? I'm curious to hear how you justify Ali calling Frazier 'uncle Tom'. If he had a good reason he wouldnt have apologised afterwards, so we can all admit he was just being an huge prick.
apestaartje321 2 years ago
Ali was a great fighter, but also a loud mouth jerk.
jknj1975 2 years ago 2
Exactly.
apestaartje321 2 years ago 2
Come on Gorilla we in Manilla!
BloodNGutts 2 years ago
fuckin change the title fuckin faggot.
makpak 3 years ago 2
man wut the fuck stupid ass title
danmaster90 3 years ago 2
never min dthis is the foreman fight u dumb fuck
danmaster90 3 years ago
this was the second fight i think because in the third fight his forehead was all bamboozled
danmaster90 3 years ago