"At the end of the day, piracy isn't as big of a problem as the industry pretends it is." Notch, Indie game developer.
When big money gets involved in music.. It goes to shit. Musicians change their sound and sacrifice their integrity to expand their audience. I suppose you're going to tell me, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Vivaldi and Wagner's careers were ruined from the start due to zero sales throughout their careers?
"YES OFFICER, HE STOLE MY CAR, ALSO MY CAR IS STILL THERE."
@DemoticVEVO I didn't say file stealing has destroyed ALL starting musicians' and indie game developers' careers.
Selling cars cannot be compared to selling games or music, making a copy of a car is a bit more difficult. And Notch's Minecraft has gotten plenty of attention, and his work hasn't gotten any worse. As for the musicians you're thinking too binarily: either bankrupt or "big money". Some are satisfied with a steady flow and maybe a small increase in audience from time to time.
If someone buys one movie, and puts it on the internet, and shares it with thousands.
He only payed let's say 10 bucks. So the Company only gets 10 bucks from a thousand people? Does that make sense no? file-sharing is stealing. If you did it physically, like buy a cd and give it to a friend, then there's nothing wrong with it, because you didn't copy it.
@Fetcha200 fetcha, your comment assumes that each of those downloading it would have bought it in the first place, which is false. It also assumes that none of them bought it after watching it, something that I can tell you based on surveys I have run myself and by my own personal experience is also false.
Because the person is satisfied with getting the music/movie for free, he won't buy it. Therefore the company loses profit and that somehow changes the dictionary definition of theft.
Who's to say each person who downloaded illegally would've paid if he didn't have that option?
Exactly! It's extremely misleading to claim each copy as a loss of profit. If people's only option is paying for stuff, they have way higher standards than if they're able to download it for free and check it out before buying it. I don't know anyone who'd go out and buy a movie they thought MIGHT be decent. And tbh there's so much crap going around these days, that you simply can't assume movies, games, music etc. is worth a single dollar. Overpriced shit is why piracy exists.
@Fetcha200 So there's nothing wrong with the fact that you lend the cd to your friend. But what if I lend a song I bought on iTunes? According to you I may do this. If we look at the extreme side, we could lend it to much more 'friends' but therefor we would require some copies. Does that make it illegal? what if your friend copies the CD or DVD you gave him?
it would be the same as sharing candy in school, now make sure there is enough for everybody in the classroom. but this whole piracy thing confuses the hell out of me. Me, i go after the things that are no longer sold in the market or abandoned by the company, i try really hard not to download the latest and greatest stuff out. there. be safe and use ip blocking programs
apparently its only stealing when one is sharing(duplicating)a copyrighted work and giving it to someone who has not purchased it... thats what happens the majority of the time though
If I buy a CD and listen to it, then give it to a friend for him to listen to.... I'm sharing the music. Is that theft? NO. If I share that same CD with a dozen friends, is that theft? NO. If I share the music I bought with one or a dozen or a thousand... it's not theft. Record companies are just greedy.
I disagree. You play it to friends, fine. I would'nt compare it to uncotrolled, free piracy between thousands of internet users.. Same reason why i don't think online file sharing communitys ought to be compared to librarys. You can borrow the book there.. You think it's good enough and want it in your own shelf, buy it.
Yeah, so if I hack a large bank corporation's website from my computer, and transfer a few million dollars to my account with no record of the transactions it's not stealing? Or what about online identity theft? You do a terrible job of supporting your point. Just because stealing is easier doesn't mean it's not stealing. You didn't even use logic, like saying digital downloads are easier to publish then physical releases, etc.
If I could walk into a store plugin my mp3player search for some music download a title for 5-10 cents and paywithout CC then I would consider buying same goes for movies, I have a HD player with 200 movies in DivX if I could get them for smale fee I wouldn't mind. I would definatelly stay away from online CC solutions, though
no borrowing implys someone has lost something for a period of time until it is given back. sharing isn't even a good word for it its duplication. that's all. copying and distributing. no one losses anything.
another way to view it is like this: stealing means taking the object. filesharing leaves the object, and creates a copy of it. we are helping to mass produce, and should all be on the payroll for our services
don't they realize that sharing is not the same thing as stealing!
a person goes out and buys a movie, he enjoys it, he uploads it to the internet for others to enjoy. Others do enjoy it, and tell their friends to go see it. their friends go see it and also enjoy it.
besides, online sharing is the same thing as just sharing. you go out and buy a movie. you watch it and then give it to a friend to watch. you just shared a movie. the only difference is that you didn't upload or download anything
Only a sucker would pay for a song from I-tunes.Audio compression was only invented because in the 90s the average hard drive size was only about 500mb.Since then storage capacity of hard drives and portable players has increased more than a thousand fold yet still we are listening to music and PAYING for music in crappy quality MP3 and AAC
...for years, record companies were notorious for making huge sums of money on the back of exploited artists. Consumers were ripped off too. And when CDs arrived, they were often grossly overpriced in certain markets...
What way? If you could clone exam glass of water and give your friend. That isn't stealing, it is sharing. IMO you are great man then. I hate music label lobbyists
File sharing is NOT illegal. BUT, when you're downloading a brand new album of someone you don't even know. That must be inbetween sharing and stealing.
i am an artist and i put my own music on file sharing networks. people need to stop trying to control art and just let people express themselves. the labels have been controlling the music scene for decades and the net helped stop some of that. i hope that art is one day freed from the oppression it has been controlling it for so long. i hope the artists take back control. fuck these labels who only want to rape not only the consumer, but also the actual artists.......
In order for something to be considered theft it has to be removed from its rightfull owner. In file sharing, you are just making a copy, therefor it is not theft.
I, le Basteurd Fifi, Maître de l'Allure furtive, le Grand Provoker, utterly spit on you Stupid Americans, and I chuckle at your primitive Jesus philosophy and your fried potato menu. Your choice for president, l'femme PALIN, is a perfect symbol of your naiveté', The majority of your children and women are extra large and overstuffed from eating too much frito lay and marsh mellow fillings.
I have declared all music free of charge and have made my entire library available online for free.
file sharing isint stealing but you arent giving the artists credit for making the music that you so much enjoy im sure if the artists wanted you to just enjoy the music they would give it away for free.
i'm pretty sure everyone's giving them credit, maybe artists should worry more about the music they make instead of the money they make. they didn't ALWAYS get paid for it you know, there was a time when artists made art because they were artistic
no no, artists should have the passion in there music that they allow file sharing, but they dont have passion there just doing it for money and sense of greed.
Look, I agree with all of you. Filesharing is great. We love it.
BUT is it theft? Well... Copyright exists so people can make money from the time and effort theyve invested in their product. Fair enough.
I know I know... Capitalistic corporate fat cats make a bit less money and who cares. Or... file sharing stimulates the market and for example if its a good game you might buy it so you can play on the net.
But it still breaks copyright and is stealing. Im happy to be proved wrong tho!
I can prove it. If I steal something from you, you wouldn't have it anymore. But if I download something from you we both have it.
Saying that file sharing is stealing (which it isn't even juridical) you are trying to make things simpler. It is an unauthorized copying and if that should be legal or not is absolutely arguable.
actually, i think that the bann on file sharing is total bullshit, i mean, seriously, those superstars have like 10 billion dollars, what do they need more for?! we are poor, simple folk with at highest 5 cents in our pockets, just not to get robbed when we buy our chocolate milk which the superstars may have pissed in... they need no money!
File sharing doesn't harm music, films or games, AT ALL. It harms the mega corporations that make billions from just publishing the goods.
If we want what is best for the consumer and the makers then we should just allow supply and demand to force makers to make what is really wanted.
People won't stop going to the cinima, people won't stop going to gigs, concerts and people won't stop playing computer games with adverts, online fees. Mega corporations are failing so don't support them!
If you took the RIAA's logic then buying 2nd hand CDs is stealing too. They've got their logic all twisted up that just because you file share means that you would buy the CD.
It doesn't work like that. I've downloaded albums by bands I would never buy a CD of. I tend to buy the CDs of the bands I really like.
If I steel a 99c candy bar I will get a citation and I will have to give back what I took, but if I copy a song I will be facing years in prison and fines that of 100x of the original over priced song, is that fair or what???
Actually it breaks my heart when I hear about a CEO of a major recording co. that has to wait a few more weeks to get his gold plated pool because of all the file sharing.
most of the torrent sites like demonoid, mininova and the pirate bay usually don't havge viruses in their torrents though if they do people are usually quick to comment about it...
in all effect, sharing music is basiclly stealing from the music producers, but this also lets us hear peoples music for free an make us want to see the artist more where they are making the most money then the companies :D
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File sharing is stealing. Either way, someone loses out on something. When someone robs you, you are losing your item. If you illegally download a file, the people who MAKE it will lose out because they don't get the profit they need and deserve. Most people don't classify it as stealing because they don't lose anything themselves. That's our race though, completely selfish.
Yes, but if you're sharing those chocolates, you're not going to be able to get the chocolates they ate back. That's what I'm saying with file sharing. The makers of the stuff you're downloading is losing out on the money they should get for whatever they made.
They don't lose anything. Data doesn't work that way. If you steal a CD the makers lose out because they spent money on the piece of plastic, though with file sharing you make a copy of the original, so the makers don't actually lose any money they just don't make anything. And 9 times out of 10 the person downloading the file wouldn't buy it anyway so the profit margin they don't make usually isn't really that big.
Not if you wouldn't have bought it in the first place! In that case they loose nothing!
I record Concerts on my HD DVR provided by the cable company, Am I stealing just because I record the audio on to a CD for my car?? Remember old case of the betamax, VCR and cassette tape lawsuits of the 80s the court ruled for the people.
well people, You must think about how the authors will suffer if you download softwares,music,games and all other copyrighted materials illegally. We just think of our own pleasure and forget about those authors who spend their lives doing something to humanity and these p2p users just download them illegally in a matter of hours....Iam strongly against this pracice.
I don't know what to think about this. But if veiwing/listening to something for free is illegal, then how is a library legal? They let people rent the books for free AND make profit from the late fees.
right right right. First there's one copy of the song, which the artist got paid for, then there's two copies, that the artist didn't get paid for. How is that stealing?
File Sharing is copying something. When you steal, you have the item and the other person doesn't. When you file share.. the "object" is always there.. you just make a copy.. How is that Stealing??!
I agree! Filesharing is like taking a broucher from someone trying to sell you a product, when it comes to music anyway. Metallica is my favorite music to download for free! *narf!*
Thanks 4 proving that file sharin isn't stealing, because it isnt....
It even has it in the name. FILE SHARING. Sharing files. Not stealing. So yea, millions of people still use itunes or whatever crap and get ripped off (in my opinion), and the artists and the apple company still get revenue. Which technicaly, not everybody uses limewire or morpheus or w/e. So ha. And i know im going to probably get flooded with quote "offensive" pms, and you people who do that r idiots. freedom of speech.
It might be classified as unauthorised copying, but it most definitely is not stealing.
If the RIAA/MPAA stopped trying to make it about theft and actually addressed the core issue, I might support them. But until they start to accuse people of unauthorised copying instead of 'theft', then I'm completely anti-RIAA/MPAA.
"How would you like it if you spent countless hours perfecting a video or song, only to have it illegally downloaded hundreds if not thousands of times"
I would be happy to let others enjoy what I created, to share this experience. There are many upright people sharing music, so I shouldn't grow hate against them only because they don't want to fill my purse. Art should be more than just making money, it should come from heart and be free.
It's these peoples job, though. It's what they do to survive. Sure they want people to enjoy it, but they deserve to be paid for the service they provide.
I also like the idea of PlayLouder MSP. They offer internet subscription at a bit higher price than usual providers - but as result the sharing of music within their network is licenced by the producers.
I think file sharing is more of copying than stealing. When a user downloads a file from another user, the program automatically copies that file for the user who is downloading.
Depends on your definition of stealing which is the whole point of this conversation in the first place. To be honest I'm just going to come out with it, you seem like a cunt.
well, thats a good way to end a normal discussion.
and no, the point of this is that people seem to think that its somehow better to pretend file sharing is not illegal, while they should just realize that it is illegal, who gives a crap, kthnx bye.
"to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment."
Yes, but - the media was created to get distributed publicly. Actually we do have a right to listen to that music - we just don't pay like they wish we did.
yes, I agree with this. we distribute the works without the permission of the rightholder, we also refuse to pay like we should. But the thing is, we don't really 'steal'. It might well have a similar effect on the producers, perhaps you also shouldn't blandish - still it's not the same. It's like 'dodging the fare', assuming there is no repetitive cost per passenger ;P
I guess that depends on what digital money is for you. In my opinion digital money is the same as real money. Copying money affects the market and leads to inflation.
But then again, if someone copied money to be able to buy food to survive, is it a bad thing? You tell me.
Without file sharing, I would not have went to countless of concerts and festivals of bands I would never had heard of without it. I would be listening to the radio and music which the money making companies wanted me to hear. It wouldn't suprise me if I would take part of the anti-file sharing act and bash anyone who, god forbid, had the brains to actually seek out their own personal taste in music.
File sharing is bad for "artists" who's only in it for the money, and great for real musicians.
Yea it's about time we bring these MTV slide shows down to our level. I don't think anyone should be getting that much money. :/
And god forbid I actually wake up one day and not see a fucking national news station giving some story about Britney Spears. Fuck her; who even listens to her anymore? I know a bunch of little girls did awhile back but that was it, as far as I can remember anyway..
I'll continue to pirate music as long as I want; a revolution has came and no one is going to stop it!
Can a comedian sue people for telling his jokes? Can a cook book writer sue people for trading his recipes? If I hear a song, and it gets stuck in my head, do I have to pay for that 'neurological copy'?
Do you know that major software companies like Adobe adjust their retail prices for file sharing? In other words, Photoshop would cost $50 if wankers like you didn't steal...oh, sorry..."share" it.
Said it before and I will say it again - What's funny about this PSA is that it does not even mention 'sharing' music or mp3's - just filesharing in general. Notice how all the hotheads sieze on this as a promotion to steal music. This proves my point, the RIAA has assosciated the free flow of information in a P2P Network as illegal activity and you bastards have fallen for it.
No need to repost the same text. Simply repeating your viewpoint doesn't make it right. The PSA implies every type of file, including music. Your point is actually negated by the RIAA and anyone who realizes that "sharing" copyrighted material is illegal. Maybe I'm wrong about you, though, and you are one of the few people who trade files and still purchases the iTunes download or physical CD. I doubt it, though.
Maybe you missed it. But you had the guy steal your ipod as a way of proving the difference from stealing music and file sharing it. You created the context which is being discussed here. In Fact, if you changed it and used a portable DVD player, then the discussion would have been based around movies and video. I dunno, maybe you should be watching the videos you make more closely - unless you're ripping them off too.
absolutley DOS, filesharing mp3's DOES function as FREE viral marketing, and there are a few models emerging that can allow compensation here as well.
Viral marketing through filesharing can be very positive for some bands when they initiate and control what is being distributed. The problem, that nobody seems to see, is that most bands have not authorized this to happen with their music.
Actually, each person makes their own choices and determines their own moral code. In the case of filesharing, it is stealing and I do not believe that is ethical, so I make the choice not to partake in it. It would be nice if others had a strong enough character to see the difference between right and wrong as opposed to attempting to justify their knowingly wrongful actions.
What's funny about this PSA is that it does not even mention 'sharing' music or mp3's - just filesharing in general. Notice how all the hotheads sieze on this as a promotion to steal music. This proves my point, the RIAA has assosciated the free flow of information in a P2P Network as illegal activity and you bastards have fallen for it.
Literally, since the implication is that there is no purchase being made for something that is for sale, whether a digital or physical copy has been made, the correct term is stealing. The term filesharing is simply the vehicle used to commit the act of stealing.
No amount of free marketing does any good when your product doesn't make any money due to theft. You may want to go back to school for some business 101 classes.
Sharing is sharing, not stealing, I thought like that too. Still, the thing is that most shareware gives you the chance to copy the music, and keep it to yourself. So, it just came up to me it's worst, You make copies, someone else does it and that other guy does. Suddenly there's hundreds of thousands of copies. Imagine how many people just click and download without paying. Building a song, the equipment, the team costs money, so if they want to stay in business people gotta pay something.
What an absolutely retarded comparison. If that is the way your really feel, then I am coming over the your house to "share" what's in your fridge. The word sharing is being severely misused in the case.
That's my point. Sharing is like lending. People share their stuff with other people. That's different from giving a copy of your stuff. That is not sharing in reality that's copying. And about MediaShow's although you are partially right, sometimes the cost of viral promotion is higher than the assets. So, it doesn't necessarily makes it convenient.
its like buying a jolly rancher and making thousands of them its not technicaly illegal but it hurts careers sometimes but not always
minminguy 7 months ago
file stealing has destroyed starting musician's and indie game developer's careers.
TheNickhis 7 months ago
@TheNickhis
"At the end of the day, piracy isn't as big of a problem as the industry pretends it is." Notch, Indie game developer.
When big money gets involved in music.. It goes to shit. Musicians change their sound and sacrifice their integrity to expand their audience. I suppose you're going to tell me, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Vivaldi and Wagner's careers were ruined from the start due to zero sales throughout their careers?
"YES OFFICER, HE STOLE MY CAR, ALSO MY CAR IS STILL THERE."
DemoticVEVO 5 months ago
@DemoticVEVO I didn't say file stealing has destroyed ALL starting musicians' and indie game developers' careers.
Selling cars cannot be compared to selling games or music, making a copy of a car is a bit more difficult. And Notch's Minecraft has gotten plenty of attention, and his work hasn't gotten any worse. As for the musicians you're thinking too binarily: either bankrupt or "big money". Some are satisfied with a steady flow and maybe a small increase in audience from time to time.
TheNickhis 5 months ago
As much as I never wanna pay for music or movies.
If someone buys one movie, and puts it on the internet, and shares it with thousands.
He only payed let's say 10 bucks. So the Company only gets 10 bucks from a thousand people? Does that make sense no? file-sharing is stealing. If you did it physically, like buy a cd and give it to a friend, then there's nothing wrong with it, because you didn't copy it.
Fetcha200 9 months ago
@Fetcha200 fetcha, your comment assumes that each of those downloading it would have bought it in the first place, which is false. It also assumes that none of them bought it after watching it, something that I can tell you based on surveys I have run myself and by my own personal experience is also false.
CANOFSPAM9 7 months ago
@Fetcha200
Ok, let me get your retard logic straight.
Because the person is satisfied with getting the music/movie for free, he won't buy it. Therefore the company loses profit and that somehow changes the dictionary definition of theft.
Who's to say each person who downloaded illegally would've paid if he didn't have that option?
DemoticVEVO 6 months ago 2
@DemoticVEVO
Exactly! It's extremely misleading to claim each copy as a loss of profit. If people's only option is paying for stuff, they have way higher standards than if they're able to download it for free and check it out before buying it. I don't know anyone who'd go out and buy a movie they thought MIGHT be decent. And tbh there's so much crap going around these days, that you simply can't assume movies, games, music etc. is worth a single dollar. Overpriced shit is why piracy exists.
gnawershreth 5 months ago
@Fetcha200 So there's nothing wrong with the fact that you lend the cd to your friend. But what if I lend a song I bought on iTunes? According to you I may do this. If we look at the extreme side, we could lend it to much more 'friends' but therefor we would require some copies. Does that make it illegal? what if your friend copies the CD or DVD you gave him?
LanteGames 2 weeks ago
it would be the same as sharing candy in school, now make sure there is enough for everybody in the classroom. but this whole piracy thing confuses the hell out of me. Me, i go after the things that are no longer sold in the market or abandoned by the company, i try really hard not to download the latest and greatest stuff out. there. be safe and use ip blocking programs
deadite1288 10 months ago
Is it stealing when you come on to YouTube and listen to music? To watch a movie?
DrumItUp50 1 year ago
@DrumItUp50 No, idiot.
AmphibiousSheep 1 year ago
Same thing with buying a newspaper, reading it, then giving it away to someone for them to read.
Apparently idiots like Rupert Murdoch thinks this should be stopped!
XionXXXX 2 years ago
apparently its only stealing when one is sharing(duplicating)a copyrighted work and giving it to someone who has not purchased it... thats what happens the majority of the time though
drummerboyhxc 2 years ago
If I buy a CD and listen to it, then give it to a friend for him to listen to.... I'm sharing the music. Is that theft? NO. If I share that same CD with a dozen friends, is that theft? NO. If I share the music I bought with one or a dozen or a thousand... it's not theft. Record companies are just greedy.
keter1234 2 years ago 4
I disagree. You play it to friends, fine. I would'nt compare it to uncotrolled, free piracy between thousands of internet users.. Same reason why i don't think online file sharing communitys ought to be compared to librarys. You can borrow the book there.. You think it's good enough and want it in your own shelf, buy it.
Absinthus 2 years ago
Yeah, so if I hack a large bank corporation's website from my computer, and transfer a few million dollars to my account with no record of the transactions it's not stealing? Or what about online identity theft? You do a terrible job of supporting your point. Just because stealing is easier doesn't mean it's not stealing. You didn't even use logic, like saying digital downloads are easier to publish then physical releases, etc.
ldave16l 2 years ago
he's expression finding a hidden gem he wouldn't be able to access elsewhere (except maybe eBay), says it all :-p
emarum 2 years ago
If I could walk into a store plugin my mp3player search for some music download a title for 5-10 cents and paywithout CC then I would consider buying same goes for movies, I have a HD player with 200 movies in DivX if I could get them for smale fee I wouldn't mind. I would definatelly stay away from online CC solutions, though
picketf 2 years ago
file sharing is not stealing, its sharing
Frances3654 2 years ago 13
work deserves compensation.
entitlement to others' creative work without proper compensation belongs to the world... as of this decade.
insaying 2 years ago
Filesharing isn't stealing, it's borrowing.
arcticf0x8 2 years ago
no borrowing implys someone has lost something for a period of time until it is given back. sharing isn't even a good word for it its duplication. that's all. copying and distributing. no one losses anything.
0munkey0 2 years ago
FILESHARING IS CARING!!!! GReat Movie!!
Roxs90 2 years ago 3
this was funny :D
billi0ns0fpe0ple 2 years ago
another way to view it is like this: stealing means taking the object. filesharing leaves the object, and creates a copy of it. we are helping to mass produce, and should all be on the payroll for our services
dhl1986 2 years ago 2
agreed
Hyperknuck1 2 years ago
how are you going to get compensated if no one is paying for it?
great logic dumbass.
insaying 2 years ago
I agree 100% ...FILE SHARING IS NOT STEALING!!!!....
flashydee123 3 years ago
"Filesharing someone elses music/films/etc IS stealing."
Of what?
Why arent people being prosecuted for it then?
travelsonic 3 years ago
don't they realize that sharing is not the same thing as stealing!
a person goes out and buys a movie, he enjoys it, he uploads it to the internet for others to enjoy. Others do enjoy it, and tell their friends to go see it. their friends go see it and also enjoy it.
besides, online sharing is the same thing as just sharing. you go out and buy a movie. you watch it and then give it to a friend to watch. you just shared a movie. the only difference is that you didn't upload or download anything
globfrob 3 years ago
Only a sucker would pay for a song from I-tunes.Audio compression was only invented because in the 90s the average hard drive size was only about 500mb.Since then storage capacity of hard drives and portable players has increased more than a thousand fold yet still we are listening to music and PAYING for music in crappy quality MP3 and AAC
shineon1969 3 years ago 6
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shineon1969 3 years ago
in a way
sweetman1994 3 years ago
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lolmoper 3 years ago
What way? If you could clone exam glass of water and give your friend. That isn't stealing, it is sharing. IMO you are great man then. I hate music label lobbyists
jopiira 3 years ago
File sharing is NOT illegal. BUT, when you're downloading a brand new album of someone you don't even know. That must be inbetween sharing and stealing.
Phatfarm1980 3 years ago
i am an artist and i put my own music on file sharing networks. people need to stop trying to control art and just let people express themselves. the labels have been controlling the music scene for decades and the net helped stop some of that. i hope that art is one day freed from the oppression it has been controlling it for so long. i hope the artists take back control. fuck these labels who only want to rape not only the consumer, but also the actual artists.......
504pro 3 years ago 3
rofl there new law might be to fine every newborn for future file sharing
master2k5 3 years ago 5
In order for something to be considered theft it has to be removed from its rightfull owner. In file sharing, you are just making a copy, therefor it is not theft.
CANOFSPAM9 3 years ago 19
*Therefore
CANOFSPAM9 3 years ago
@CANOFSPAM9
same for downloading
jin54363 7 months ago
my opinion is that its only copyrighted if you sell it for a profit
ByakuganRaven123 3 years ago 2
they should implement this in all movies.
uteligger66 3 years ago
I, le Basteurd Fifi, Maître de l'Allure furtive, le Grand Provoker, utterly spit on you Stupid Americans, and I chuckle at your primitive Jesus philosophy and your fried potato menu. Your choice for president, l'femme PALIN, is a perfect symbol of your naiveté', The majority of your children and women are extra large and overstuffed from eating too much frito lay and marsh mellow fillings.
I have declared all music free of charge and have made my entire library available online for free.
fifiBASTARD 3 years ago
Damn, the internet gives everything a new meaning i guess this is not a real comment and that was not a video
caisback18 3 years ago
This video is retarded. Yeah, clearly no one ever stole anything by clicking a button, certainly not on a computer.
MikeBlejer 3 years ago
no monsour, YOU are the idiot l'slime. filesharing is copying and making a duplicate of something. that is what l'video refrences.
fifiBASTARD 3 years ago
and remember legal downloads are killing piracy ;) doh
haron404 3 years ago
file sharing is killing music like
home cooking is killing restaurant industry
haron404 3 years ago 8
seriously
BurlslangOtter 3 years ago 3
yea just like home fucking is killing prostitution :)
haron404 3 years ago 5
file sharing isint stealing but you arent giving the artists credit for making the music that you so much enjoy im sure if the artists wanted you to just enjoy the music they would give it away for free.
bigcatz4455 3 years ago
i'm pretty sure everyone's giving them credit, maybe artists should worry more about the music they make instead of the money they make. they didn't ALWAYS get paid for it you know, there was a time when artists made art because they were artistic
lolll666 3 years ago
no no, artists should have the passion in there music that they allow file sharing, but they dont have passion there just doing it for money and sense of greed.
mappy456 3 years ago 4
Look, I agree with all of you. Filesharing is great. We love it.
BUT is it theft? Well... Copyright exists so people can make money from the time and effort theyve invested in their product. Fair enough.
I know I know... Capitalistic corporate fat cats make a bit less money and who cares. Or... file sharing stimulates the market and for example if its a good game you might buy it so you can play on the net.
But it still breaks copyright and is stealing. Im happy to be proved wrong tho!
directorstu 3 years ago
I can prove it. If I steal something from you, you wouldn't have it anymore. But if I download something from you we both have it.
Saying that file sharing is stealing (which it isn't even juridical) you are trying to make things simpler. It is an unauthorized copying and if that should be legal or not is absolutely arguable.
mightymagnus 3 years ago
Singing the happy birthday song is breaking copy right. You probally do thousands of things aday that break some law.
This is about applying logic and reason to the law.
doford 3 years ago 3
lol were all federal crimanals
ByakuganRaven123 3 years ago 7
actually, i think that the bann on file sharing is total bullshit, i mean, seriously, those superstars have like 10 billion dollars, what do they need more for?! we are poor, simple folk with at highest 5 cents in our pockets, just not to get robbed when we buy our chocolate milk which the superstars may have pissed in... they need no money!
zyldyks 3 years ago
File sharing doesn't harm music, films or games, AT ALL. It harms the mega corporations that make billions from just publishing the goods.
If we want what is best for the consumer and the makers then we should just allow supply and demand to force makers to make what is really wanted.
People won't stop going to the cinima, people won't stop going to gigs, concerts and people won't stop playing computer games with adverts, online fees. Mega corporations are failing so don't support them!
doford 3 years ago
If you took the RIAA's logic then buying 2nd hand CDs is stealing too. They've got their logic all twisted up that just because you file share means that you would buy the CD.
It doesn't work like that. I've downloaded albums by bands I would never buy a CD of. I tend to buy the CDs of the bands I really like.
Happinno 3 years ago
I couldn't agree more.
DarkerMyth 3 years ago
If I steel a 99c candy bar I will get a citation and I will have to give back what I took, but if I copy a song I will be facing years in prison and fines that of 100x of the original over priced song, is that fair or what???
kahool86 3 years ago 3
It's fair dammit, how do you think poor Lars Ulrich is going to pay for that second mansion and third ferrari? You heartless bastard!
ChevalierAguila 3 years ago 5
Actually it breaks my heart when I hear about a CEO of a major recording co. that has to wait a few more weeks to get his gold plated pool because of all the file sharing.
kahool86 3 years ago
Oh that poor Lars Ulrich!
SageSoren 3 years ago 5
Look, if you went out and stole the physical cd that would be stealing, as it prevents someone else who may like to buy it.
If you download it, the cd's are still available for people
And why should all these artists get rich while other people get bankrupt because they like a lot of bands.
It's not like bands don't bring out just one album.
And besides, when you play someone else an album is that not file sharing?
Fucking hate the RIAA
DannyDCMA 3 years ago 3
yah but guess what most of those filesharing sites have virus bugs, torjans lots of them and more very very harmfel treats
ILuvVideos12 3 years ago
most of the torrent sites like demonoid, mininova and the pirate bay usually don't havge viruses in their torrents though if they do people are usually quick to comment about it...
mechwarrior5 3 years ago
in all effect, sharing music is basiclly stealing from the music producers, but this also lets us hear peoples music for free an make us want to see the artist more where they are making the most money then the companies :D
CaSPeR1066 3 years ago
ofcourse it's not stealing, it's sharing!
happytimewhoa 3 years ago 2
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Max15989 3 years ago
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Max15989 3 years ago
File sharing is stealing. Either way, someone loses out on something. When someone robs you, you are losing your item. If you illegally download a file, the people who MAKE it will lose out because they don't get the profit they need and deserve. Most people don't classify it as stealing because they don't lose anything themselves. That's our race though, completely selfish.
dimgrey 3 years ago
no its sharing thats why its called file sharing THE WORD "SHARE" means like a pot of chocolates letting someone have one SHARE :)
thepcwizard 3 years ago
Yes, but if you're sharing those chocolates, you're not going to be able to get the chocolates they ate back. That's what I'm saying with file sharing. The makers of the stuff you're downloading is losing out on the money they should get for whatever they made.
dimgrey 3 years ago
They don't lose anything. Data doesn't work that way. If you steal a CD the makers lose out because they spent money on the piece of plastic, though with file sharing you make a copy of the original, so the makers don't actually lose any money they just don't make anything. And 9 times out of 10 the person downloading the file wouldn't buy it anyway so the profit margin they don't make usually isn't really that big.
mechwarrior5 3 years ago
Not if you wouldn't have bought it in the first place! In that case they loose nothing!
I record Concerts on my HD DVR provided by the cable company, Am I stealing just because I record the audio on to a CD for my car?? Remember old case of the betamax, VCR and cassette tape lawsuits of the 80s the court ruled for the people.
topdjcom 3 years ago 2
Nice Video
If I steal someones car then they don't have a car. If I download something, they have and now I have it!
DrJams 3 years ago 2
i totally get it nao!!!1
devioussam 3 years ago
like "TheInvisiblePancake" Said its just like buying a cd and letting your friend use it!
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well people, You must think about how the authors will suffer if you download softwares,music,games and all other copyrighted materials illegally. We just think of our own pleasure and forget about those authors who spend their lives doing something to humanity and these p2p users just download them illegally in a matter of hours....Iam strongly against this pracice.
blumppin12 3 years ago
I don't know what to think about this. But if veiwing/listening to something for free is illegal, then how is a library legal? They let people rent the books for free AND make profit from the late fees.
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sganullekke 3 years ago 2
its true
ShizzleMcGeeee 3 years ago
right right right. First there's one copy of the song, which the artist got paid for, then there's two copies, that the artist didn't get paid for. How is that stealing?
MarineDelta1 3 years ago
Still it's not stealing but refusing to pay.
Sonnentier 3 years ago
its like buy a CD, and let a friend use it..
TheInvisiblePancake 3 years ago
no, because when you file share, you both have a copy now. Plus, it's not just one friend, it's hundreds of people getting free music.
MarineDelta1 3 years ago
File Sharing is copying something. When you steal, you have the item and the other person doesn't. When you file share.. the "object" is always there.. you just make a copy.. How is that Stealing??!
Halo3fan012 3 years ago
nice! I agree, filesharing is NOT stealing.
sheVOTEDforWAR 3 years ago
I agree! Filesharing is like taking a broucher from someone trying to sell you a product, when it comes to music anyway. Metallica is my favorite music to download for free! *narf!*
Was my hair OK this time? :P
Shultzgti 3 years ago
Totally agree iMean most of the filesharing software is free ( except for that stupid Limewire pro ) nobody does profit by doing such...
Ares p2p Rockzz..!!!
iLoveSaraih 3 years ago
Thanks 4 proving that file sharin isn't stealing, because it isnt....
It even has it in the name. FILE SHARING. Sharing files. Not stealing. So yea, millions of people still use itunes or whatever crap and get ripped off (in my opinion), and the artists and the apple company still get revenue. Which technicaly, not everybody uses limewire or morpheus or w/e. So ha. And i know im going to probably get flooded with quote "offensive" pms, and you people who do that r idiots. freedom of speech.
ZeldaObsession 3 years ago
Totally correct. File sharing is not stealing.
It might be classified as unauthorised copying, but it most definitely is not stealing.
If the RIAA/MPAA stopped trying to make it about theft and actually addressed the core issue, I might support them. But until they start to accuse people of unauthorised copying instead of 'theft', then I'm completely anti-RIAA/MPAA.
CrixMakin 4 years ago 6
"How would you like it if you spent countless hours perfecting a video or song, only to have it illegally downloaded hundreds if not thousands of times"
I would be happy to let others enjoy what I created, to share this experience. There are many upright people sharing music, so I shouldn't grow hate against them only because they don't want to fill my purse. Art should be more than just making money, it should come from heart and be free.
Sonnentier 4 years ago
It's these peoples job, though. It's what they do to survive. Sure they want people to enjoy it, but they deserve to be paid for the service they provide.
MarineDelta1 3 years ago
I also like the idea of PlayLouder MSP. They offer internet subscription at a bit higher price than usual providers - but as result the sharing of music within their network is licenced by the producers.
Sonnentier 4 years ago
Okay, perhaps we steal one thing: The possibility for them to make money :)
But we don't steal music.
We obtain it by cadging.
Sonnentier 4 years ago
"So... If you copy someones credit card. It doesn't matter?"
Hey, that's confidential information! The credit card is not intended to get copied to other people - but commercial music is for sure.
Sonnentier 4 years ago 2
I think file sharing is more of copying than stealing. When a user downloads a file from another user, the program automatically copies that file for the user who is downloading.
DJBrokenHigh 4 years ago 2
Thierry Henry! File Sharing! SCANDAL! >_>
Boompass 4 years ago
Now that you mention it, he really does look like Thierry Henry.
Freddy you should consider doing some Thierry impersonations.
Rococo313 4 years ago
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no, im pretty sure thats still stealing.
kipchak 4 years ago
No, stealing would be charging ridiculous prices for software in the first place.
cantyoureadmoron 4 years ago 6
"to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment."
thats the definition of stealing.
so its still stealing.
-_-
also, just because it illegal doesn't change the fact that it sucks.
gimp > photoshop, etc etc.
damn newfags.
kipchak 4 years ago
Depends on your definition of stealing which is the whole point of this conversation in the first place. To be honest I'm just going to come out with it, you seem like a cunt.
cantyoureadmoron 4 years ago
well, thats a good way to end a normal discussion.
and no, the point of this is that people seem to think that its somehow better to pretend file sharing is not illegal, while they should just realize that it is illegal, who gives a crap, kthnx bye.
just be a pirate, its not that hard.
kipchak 4 years ago
"to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment."
Yes, but - the media was created to get distributed publicly. Actually we do have a right to listen to that music - we just don't pay like they wish we did.
Sonnentier 4 years ago
the media was created to get what distributed?
you mean mtv?
that was music videos, and you payed for ads.
on a radio station the ads pay for the content, while buying music removes the ads.
I dont see how using someones content is a given "right", its theirs to sell, or not to.
kipchak 4 years ago
@kipchack
yes, I agree with this. we distribute the works without the permission of the rightholder, we also refuse to pay like we should. But the thing is, we don't really 'steal'. It might well have a similar effect on the producers, perhaps you also shouldn't blandish - still it's not the same. It's like 'dodging the fare', assuming there is no repetitive cost per passenger ;P
Sonnentier 4 years ago
right, i don't think it has a major effect on the actual artist, and i agree that the skipping the poll both is a good analogy.
however the fact of the matter is that it is illegal, and therefore a bad idea.
working to create better alternatives (like rhapsody) seems to me like a better use of time.
kipchak 4 years ago
XD that's great
xerocint 4 years ago
wat.
bodaget 4 years ago
huh?
TheMixedMediaShow 4 years ago
What does this have to do with anon?
Zanrook 4 years ago
it is not with anon it is for anon, and if I have to explain it to ya you wouldnt understand
TheMixedMediaShow 4 years ago
Want 5 dollars?
Ops! sorry, cant...
Its stealing, lol
LesaneRecords 4 years ago
Steal our vid of "Teenage Kicks"
Ice Cold Idiots
Its free!
decktwo 4 years ago
win! beyond reason
thecdp07 4 years ago
still not enough people stealing our music,
Ice Cold idiots
see it before it gets taken down
decktwo 4 years ago
EPIC WIN
SHEvoted4war 4 years ago
If we assume by "file sharing" you refer to the sharing of copyrighted data, then no, it's not stealing, but it is copyright infringement.
TrueThanny 4 years ago
File Sharing = technically legal in Canada, for now still = epic win for teh LULZ!
Zxceelxuz 4 years ago
So... You won't go into a store and steal a CD, so you do it on the internet and say it's not stealing???
777Sir 4 years ago
Well if you play that cd for your friends or family then your just as bad as the people who share over the web, realy.
woolo 4 years ago 2
Agreed
starxchaos 4 years ago
Stealing and copying is not the same thing. Get your facts straight.
Specialeffekt 4 years ago
So... If you copy someones credit card. It doesn't matter?
WolfenFuhrer 4 years ago
I guess that depends on what digital money is for you. In my opinion digital money is the same as real money. Copying money affects the market and leads to inflation.
But then again, if someone copied money to be able to buy food to survive, is it a bad thing? You tell me.
Specialeffekt 4 years ago
If u guys wanna blame someone,,, blame bill gates not d people. Welcome to d computer world ladies and gents...
w3lnu 4 years ago
What does Bill Gates have to do with it?!?
He did not create the internet.
He did not create P2P software.
He did not invent being able to send information over the net.
He did not even tell the RIAA that people are downloading their products.
He has not been a driving force for suing people that download from the net.
Get your head out of your backside
rdrakken 4 years ago
wow... backside? cmon...
bevis5550 4 years ago
Without file sharing, I would not have went to countless of concerts and festivals of bands I would never had heard of without it. I would be listening to the radio and music which the money making companies wanted me to hear. It wouldn't suprise me if I would take part of the anti-file sharing act and bash anyone who, god forbid, had the brains to actually seek out their own personal taste in music.
File sharing is bad for "artists" who's only in it for the money, and great for real musicians.
Specialeffekt 4 years ago 3
Yea it's about time we bring these MTV slide shows down to our level. I don't think anyone should be getting that much money. :/
And god forbid I actually wake up one day and not see a fucking national news station giving some story about Britney Spears. Fuck her; who even listens to her anymore? I know a bunch of little girls did awhile back but that was it, as far as I can remember anyway..
I'll continue to pirate music as long as I want; a revolution has came and no one is going to stop it!
starxchaos 4 years ago 3
i totally agree with you!!!
hailo666 4 years ago
Can a comedian sue people for telling his jokes? Can a cook book writer sue people for trading his recipes? If I hear a song, and it gets stuck in my head, do I have to pay for that 'neurological copy'?
Rowantwig 4 years ago 3
neurological copy!!!! thank you, I have been trying to find the way to phrase it!!
BARACKin74 4 years ago
ahaha true. if the music industy wants more money then they should start releasing good music
nephew455 4 years ago
Gee. How eye-opening.
Clicking on a mouse = okay.
Reaching into someone's pocket = theft.
Do you know that major software companies like Adobe adjust their retail prices for file sharing? In other words, Photoshop would cost $50 if wankers like you didn't steal...oh, sorry..."share" it.
theoost24 4 years ago
then they should be thanking the filesharers for them being able to command such a higher price
TheMixedMediaShow 4 years ago
Said it before and I will say it again - What's funny about this PSA is that it does not even mention 'sharing' music or mp3's - just filesharing in general. Notice how all the hotheads sieze on this as a promotion to steal music. This proves my point, the RIAA has assosciated the free flow of information in a P2P Network as illegal activity and you bastards have fallen for it.
TheMixedMediaShow 4 years ago
No need to repost the same text. Simply repeating your viewpoint doesn't make it right. The PSA implies every type of file, including music. Your point is actually negated by the RIAA and anyone who realizes that "sharing" copyrighted material is illegal. Maybe I'm wrong about you, though, and you are one of the few people who trade files and still purchases the iTunes download or physical CD. I doubt it, though.
reptyl 4 years ago
Maybe you missed it. But you had the guy steal your ipod as a way of proving the difference from stealing music and file sharing it. You created the context which is being discussed here. In Fact, if you changed it and used a portable DVD player, then the discussion would have been based around movies and video. I dunno, maybe you should be watching the videos you make more closely - unless you're ripping them off too.
clayphish 4 years ago
When you share mp3s of small bands your helping get them heard, some bands might thank you for getting their obscurist stuff out there.
DOSphantom 4 years ago
absolutley DOS, filesharing mp3's DOES function as FREE viral marketing, and there are a few models emerging that can allow compensation here as well.
TheMixedMediaShow 4 years ago
Viral marketing through filesharing can be very positive for some bands when they initiate and control what is being distributed. The problem, that nobody seems to see, is that most bands have not authorized this to happen with their music.
reptyl 4 years ago
well you cant control the internet, you can only make a choice to work with it or against it.
TheMixedMediaShow 4 years ago
Actually, each person makes their own choices and determines their own moral code. In the case of filesharing, it is stealing and I do not believe that is ethical, so I make the choice not to partake in it. It would be nice if others had a strong enough character to see the difference between right and wrong as opposed to attempting to justify their knowingly wrongful actions.
reptyl 4 years ago
huh? I think you should start addressing the actual argument....your points here misleading
TheMixedMediaShow 4 years ago
Listen to these clowns. Top dollar says they have "stolen" shit all over their comp.
theJamesWilliams 4 years ago
O.O
LatinPapa 4 years ago
What's funny about this PSA is that it does not even mention 'sharing' music or mp3's - just filesharing in general. Notice how all the hotheads sieze on this as a promotion to steal music. This proves my point, the RIAA has assosciated the free flow of information in a P2P Network as illegal activity and you bastards have fallen for it.
TheMixedMediaShow 4 years ago
Literally its sharing not stealing don't get confused.=p
w3lnu 4 years ago
Literally, since the implication is that there is no purchase being made for something that is for sale, whether a digital or physical copy has been made, the correct term is stealing. The term filesharing is simply the vehicle used to commit the act of stealing.
reptyl 4 years ago
well filesharing is pretty much stealing since the artists dont get any money at all from this
crazyrunescapeplayer 4 years ago
artists get attention and free marketing from filesharing - find a good business model, hoser.
TheMixedMediaShow 4 years ago
No amount of free marketing does any good when your product doesn't make any money due to theft. You may want to go back to school for some business 101 classes.
reptyl 4 years ago
Sharing is sharing, not stealing, I thought like that too. Still, the thing is that most shareware gives you the chance to copy the music, and keep it to yourself. So, it just came up to me it's worst, You make copies, someone else does it and that other guy does. Suddenly there's hundreds of thousands of copies. Imagine how many people just click and download without paying. Building a song, the equipment, the team costs money, so if they want to stay in business people gotta pay something.
Edgarin108 4 years ago
sounds like the essence of viral promotion - getting people's attention is valuable.
TheMixedMediaShow 4 years ago
What an absolutely retarded comparison. If that is the way your really feel, then I am coming over the your house to "share" what's in your fridge. The word sharing is being severely misused in the case.
reptyl 4 years ago
the word sharing is PERFECTLY used in this case - it's your refridge analogy that defies rationality.
Ideas are FREE, Music also has ALWAYS been free until a hundred years ago with the advent of recorded mediums which required RESOURCES to reproduce.
TheMixedMediaShow 4 years ago
completey moronic. By your twist of the words, identity theft should now be called identity sharing.
reptyl 4 years ago
So the phrase "identity theft" is a misnomer. Maybe it should be called "identity misappropriation"...
zoom98 4 years ago
lol, filesharing isnt identity theft either, CAPITOL RECORDS, but nice try though!
TheMixedMediaShow 4 years ago
That's my point. Sharing is like lending. People share their stuff with other people. That's different from giving a copy of your stuff. That is not sharing in reality that's copying. And about MediaShow's although you are partially right, sometimes the cost of viral promotion is higher than the assets. So, it doesn't necessarily makes it convenient.
Edgarin108 4 years ago