What blows my mind....the republicans spew the god talk to get elected, then piss on on the middle and lower class. I recommend watching the documentary "whats the matter with Kansas". They voted in Bush two times in a row then got bent over, but bush said what they wanted to hear....god...lol.
JFK wasn't going to be a puppet to big corporations... He was the last REAL president we've had. That's why he was senselessly assasinated. He spoke for the people, not big banks or profiteers.
This was quite a revolutionary speech in that time. When he was mentioning the individual religions, I was hoping to hear a reference about the non-religious, but that couldn't happen in 1960.
Now, fifty years later, non-believers are 15% of the population, and gaining steadily. Maybe, in my lifetime, we can become a majority.
I'm compelled to point out that -- while I greatly appreciate you uploading this first and foremost -- I felt that given the old audio quality of the footage, the music doesn't mesh well. It made it, for me, difficult to follow the speech. Perhaps this isn't a problem for someone already familiar with the speech, but this is the first I'd ever heard it and the music was unfortunately a distraction. And note that I'm 27, with (as far as I know) normal hearing. Still, it may just be me.
This was a purely political speech to quell the then huge hatred, fears, and suspicions that the Protestants held for the Catholics! It has nothing to do with Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Bishop where the real meaning of Church and state
lies. He was proposing a "one-way wall" to keep the State out of the Church and NOT the other way around! Think of it like California's border fence. It wasn't erected to keep US Citizens out of Mexico, but to keep illegal aliens out of California.
@toiseywoisey //I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell the president, should he be Catholic, how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote//
its right there man. doesnt sound like hes proposing a one way wall. to keep state out of church. actually sounds like the opposite, regardless of his reasons for the speech. just sayin.
@Zentz29 Conspiracy site? hahah good one. John todd was ex illuminati. I suggest u do thorough research before making such comments. The guy was even set up and killed for exposing the stuff he did.
Those who believed that the US government was founded on a christian nation is hogwash. Those who continue insist is directly inciting rebellion or defection from our nation's laws and should be viewed as treason.
@riverlioness are u kidding me? Your falling right into the trap. The Illuminati wants religion gone. they didnt create nor are they using it to control people. They want an athiest society just like albert pike said so they can give people chips and usher in global satanism. People need to stop calling religious people idiots cause in reality, the religious people are the ones who are morally intact in most cases. Kennedy was a christain so i guess he was an idiot too ehhh? i dont think so.
@Zentz29 Insane? ahahah you idiot. What do u think norvus ordo seclunum means on the back of the one dollar bill? Your reality is a fake and u dont even know it, Kennedy was killed cause he became christain. proven fact.
@Zentz29 Your the moron who wont except the truth, I didnt ignore anything, Im still looking for the video on here. And besides, u dont even need the video to prove it. You can google it. Just cause you have too much time on your hands and u can always reply instantly doesnt mean im ignoring u. Like i said before, research JOHN TOdd. U prob didnt do that cause youre in denial.
If Kennedy expressed such views in America today I wonder would he be electable. The speech is fifty years old and yet is even more relevant now than when it was made.
@padraigomairtin Sadly, this speech isn't as inspiring as it would seem to be. Kennedy was forced to give it because his opponents were flinging mud and saying that he was going to take orders from the pope, b/c he was the first catholic Prez. This speech was supposed to assure protestants that he wasn't going to be a manchurian candidate, which was a big concern at the time. Americans can be so silly sometimes. Taken out of context though, the speech is inspirational.
If one was to compare the way the presidents present their facts, a significant contrast is to be found. Kennedy looks down alot on his papers when presenting in comparison to Obama that speeks freely etc.
It is a shame that Kennedy's views are not in use today. Now Washington is taking orders from Tel Aviv. We must destroy the ZOG machine before the ZOG machine destroys the USA. For those who do not know ZOG means Zionist Occupied Government. And believe me people, the Zionist are running the show here. That is why radical Islam has came here to try and destroy all of us. If we sever ties with Isreal we would reduce the chance of terrorism by 99%.
As soon as we turn our back on Isreal, you know that the Muslims are PURE evil and it'll be too late. Take some... READ... and you'll find that nothingand no one is forced into ANY religon in America. That WILL change when the Muslims are in charge.
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First, It's not their land it belongs to the Jews. Second, you have NO idea what you're talking about. IF, they (Muslims) wanted PEACE they could have had it. The Gaza Strip was GIVEN to them and they've done NOTHING but want more land. They are not interested in peace they want to MURDER all Jews and Christians. DO A LITTLE HOMEWORK!
Actually i must admit the music was a bit intrusive: i wanted to hear the words (some of us dont' know them by heart) - if they have merit, they will be the best music already. Lets not hide good words, let them sing!
Modern people of faith talk highly about this man all the time, they should listen to this and feel ashamed for there current actions in today's world.
imaginary sky wizards and oil are the primary causes of most of the wars going on right now. The last thing we need is to take a step back toward the dark ages.
Kennedy never accepted pay for his term in office.
It elates and shames me to know that I am part of the race that bore King, Kennedy, Gandhi; as well as the men that took their lives: Crow, Oswald, Godse, respectively.
Rest in peace gentlemen, you were ahead of your time and we are in great debt to you all as well as countless other men and women who helped revolutionize the human race.
I wonder what Kennedy would think about Bush's federal faith based initiative that Obama not only did not cut but expanded when he took office. Literally tens of billions of taxpayer dollars going to religious organizations. It's sickening. If you want to know the true agenda of elected politicians don't listen to the spin, watch where the money goes.
The main reason for this speech is to assuage peoples fears about Kennedy being Catholic which at the time was somewhat "controversial" , still ,he makes a good point...
Separation is NOT in the Constitution but hey lots of things we take for granted aren't (Womens vote , slavery prohibition , Voting/drinking age etc.)
As a christian i would say that the principle of separation of church and state is a good one .
You're right, it's not explicitly in there. But it was an important principle to most of the founding fathers, too; there's plenty of quotes out there from Thomas Paine, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and the like where they describe the need for church-state separation.
After all, when the two intertwine, they tend to poison each other.
"...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT, Jan. 1, 1802
What would you swear on, or would just giving your word be enough? I mean you got elected president. You must have been doing something right that the voters liked.
Why isn't a man's word enough? A criminal swearing on the Bible, or someone who needs to suppress evidence doesn't care wha they swear on. It's a JOKE.
We are running to a New World Order, where the anti-Christ system is already. according to the Bible,2 thessalonia 2:4 he that opposeth and exalteth himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God.
"Obama also is for the separation of church and state. But looking to JFK being assassinated i wonder about Obama."
Kennedy was not assassinated for that reason, and if Obama suffers the same fate (which is a depressingly realistic prospect), it likewise wont be for any reason related to his position on church-state issues. Other matters are far more motivating to racists & sociopaths.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the main requirement of being a "Christian" is believing in the divinity of "Jesus".
Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, and Madison amoung many others, had NO such belief. That is a matter of record, and to claim otherwise is a display of deceit and willful ignorance.
Christianity or the belief in God. My point is God playing a role in the lives of the founders. They might not have all been Christians and some of them might not have believed in God but to deny that most of them were in fact believers in God is stupidity on your part.
Ok, well regardless, More often than not these founding fathers believed in God. That's a fact. How can you honestly dispute that. If 75% of them believed in God and 25% of them were deists them what I'm saying would still be correct. You take a handful of the them and say that didn't believe in God and now all of a sudden our founding fathers weren't christian. They for the most part did believe in God. You're just so damn smart aren't you?
Since you appear reluctant to educate yourself as to the meaning of being a "deist", simply put, it is a belief in A supreme noninterventionist being OR force. NOT in ANY way a relative to your Christian sky daddy. Deists have as much in common with Christians as they do with Atheists. Most(that means more than 50%) of the founding fathers were DEISTS or outright atheists.
Keep in mind the fundy "movement" didn't take hold until the early 1900's
"If 75% of them believed in God and 25% of them were deists"
LOL! Deists DO believe in god, just not the biblical god or any other personal deity. As judoyodan notes, if you wont educate yourself about the meaning of deism, you have no business participating in this discussion. But your other comments have already established this.
"to deny that most of them were in fact believers in God is stupidity on your part"
Nobody is arguing that they did not believe in god! None of the Founders, not even Paine, were explicit atheists (a position held only by some French thinkers at the time). Most of the foremost intellectual contributors were deists -- they believed in "Nature and Natures God" ( a phrase that recurs often in their writings). Many others were churchgoing Christians, but mostly members of liberal denominations.
The framer's of the constitution were almost all Bible believing Christians who spoke about God in their speeches and prayed in public ceremonies. Their intention was that the government could not establish an official religion like England had, for example. This does not mean however that a public servant has to hide his/her faith. Quite the opposite. Remember hearing, "So help me God" while Obama was being sworn in?
If they were all bible believing fundamentalists they would have kicked Jefferson, Franklin and Henry out of the 1787 delegation for heresy and sacrilege.
The U.S. Constitution authors were very intelligent men who regularly separated religious motivations from political ones. The Treaty of Tripoli, in which POTUS Adams declared the American government to be secular and the 1st Amendment to the Constitution, in which we protect religion from government and government from religion are enough.
I didn't say all. If you read my comment carefully you would have noticed I said "almost all." America is secular but that's because to make it a "religious" nation would require establishing an official national religion which was a bad idea. (The tyranny of England before the Revolution)
You misunderstand me. If all the Christian founders were biblical fundamentalists as you paint them they would never have allowed Jefferson, Franklin and Henry to be such integral members of the 3rd Continental Congress.
Whether or not they were partially Christian is completely beside the point; they founded a secular government for very good reasons. Government cannot be of the people if it's influenced by a particular religion and religion cannot survive being entangled in government intact.
Well let me put it to you this way: If someone was greatly influenced politically by Karl Marx or personally influenced by their, i dunno...grandmother, we wouldn't think twice about allowing a leader to use that influence on their character or ideals to make decisions about the governance of the country. BUT if someone is influenced by their belief in God, they are in the wrong for allowing that to be a factor in the way they lead or make decisions. Isn't that a bit weird to you?
DevieBoy66, allowing your philosophy to influence your decisions is not unusual, even if that philosophy comes from a religious tradition.
Where the line is crossed is when that religion's theology becomes integral to your decision-making and you begin using that religion as a tool to get people to vote for you. Exploiting religion for politics cheapens both governance and the religion at the same time. Before you know it you've got a "faith-off" as both politicians try to out-faith each other.
To deny the influence of religion (Christianity) on the men who founded this country, wrote and ratified our constitution, served as elected public leaders is a huge error. They were ALMOST ALL God fearing men.
"They were ALMOST ALL God fearing men" -- No, they were almost all openly theistic, but most were not literally "god-fearing" because they didnt believe in a deity who intervened in worldly affairs & judged human actions, consigning souls to heaven or hell, etc. Jefferson & Franklin explicitly rejected all supernatural elements in religion, and Jefferson published his own version of the bible with all the miraculous elements deleted. Madison was completely silent on his religious beliefs. cont
cont --Washington is an enigma - biographers disagree about what his personal faith truly was. He attended the Episcopal church but always left before the sacraments; when the priest observed that this set a bad example for the flock, Washington agreed & stopped going altogether! He never refers to Christ, Jesus or holy scripture in his letters, only to an aloof Providence, so its likely that he shared in the deism of his contemporaries. He certainly was not an orthodox Christian believer. cont
cont -- Most of the signers of the Declaration and Constitution were at least nominal Christians, as members of church congregations, but the largest number were Episcopalians, with several Presbyterians, Methodists & Unitarians (if one considers Unitarians to be Christians at all!). These were the most moderate Protestant denominations in the 18th century, corresponding loosely with the mainline National Council of Churches types in our contemporary religious context. cont.
cont - But modern evangelical Protestantism would have seemed very alien to Christians of that time, as it dates from the Second Great Awakening of the early 19C and of course the 20C idiocy of fundamentalism did not yet exist. So far as can be gleaned from the record, the only major Founders who would be considered evangelical Christians, as we understand the term today, were Samuel Adams & John Jay. cont.
In all the founding documents of American government - Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, US Constitution - there is no mention of Christianity, Christ, Jesus, or the Bible, only to God as Creator and to impersonal Providence. In the entire 85 essays of the Federalist Papers, there are only two references to God, both to "Nature's God", the standard deistic conception. So its quite clear that while the Founders were no atheists, few of them were devout Christians either.
Charesthehamer: No, it certainly doesnt mean that they werent Christians, since they did believe strongly in religious liberty. As i said, most of the founders were indeed churchgoing Christians, some devout, some nominal, just as today. But a large number of them, especially among the intellectual leaders, were in fact deists. Jefferson & Franklin held publicly stated views on Christianity which would make them unelectable in most of the US today.
"Jefferson is an enigma but he saw himself as a Christian and tried to follow the morals."
No, he regarded himself as Christian only in the sense of admiring the ethical system expounded by Jesus, but he explicitly disbelieved in Christ's divinity, as well as the Trinity & rejected all supernatural elements in the Bible, which disqualifies him as a Christian by most accepted definitions. He admired Unitarianism & said he would likely attend if there were any Unitarian churches in his area.
"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors."
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
"Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820
"The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine." cont.
cont- "In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
"I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshiped by many who think themselves Christians."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789
"It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [Revelation, or The Apaocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825
"They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion."
-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800
Tell me, buddy, how many laws of our nation are based on the Declaration of Independence? How many Supreme Court cases have been judged based on whether or not something complied with the DoI?
That's right - NONE. The *CONSTITUTION* is the FOUNDATION of American government and law, NOT the Declaration of Independence.
'Tell me, buddy what part of "he signed the United States Declaration of Independence" are you failing to get?
Learn a bit about civics, please. '
The fact that you don't realize that the DoI is irrelevant is amusing.
We base our laws on the Constitution, not the DoI.
The Constitution never mentions God, Jesus, the Bible, or anything like that, and was decried at the time of its writing by American Christians for being such a strongly secular document.
You don't seem to understand that it isn't even remotely relevant what they believed.
The CONSTITUTION is what matters. It is the founding document of our nation. And after much deliberation and debate, they INTENTIONALLY kept any mention of God or Christianity *out*.
"You don't seem to understand that it isn't even remotely relevant what they believed.
The CONSTITUTION is what matters. It is the founding document of our nation. And after much deliberation and debate, they INTENTIONALLY kept any mention of God or Christianity *out*."
Most of our founding fathers were Deists, not Christians. BUT THAT IS NOT RELEVANT.
This is not now, never was, and never will be a Christian nation.
Are you trying to say that the guy who helped spark the American revolution and gave us the name "The United States of America" wasn't a founding father?
Thomas Paine helped spark the American revolution and gave our nation its name, as well as provided guiding influence for the framers of the Constitution.
You keep harping on this like it matters. Our Constitution was INTENTIONALLY written as a secular document, to found a SECULAR nation.
"The framer's of the constitution were almost all Bible believing Christians"
This assertion is comically ignorant to anyone familiar with the framer's writings on religion. They belonged to the most secular generation in American history, as i noted earlier, products of the Enlightenment who spoke of God in deistic terms: an impersonal creator who manifested in human affairs only as a magisterially impartial Providence. "So help me god" is not present in the formal oath, but is a later add-on.
There is no such thing as "seperation of Church and State" that phrase is not in the Constitution! No where in the Constitution or Amendments are the words "seperation" "church" or "state". Not only that but the phrase is not found in ANY founding document. Please people- actually read the Constitution before you comment ,otherwise you continue to show your ignorance just as JFK and others who did not actualy read the Constitution.
i suspect this was a heartfelt intelligent remark from one of your more enlightened power brokers, seperating "church and state" is secondary to common sense.
The 1st Amendment says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" this statement guarantees a freedom of religion and a freedom from religion. This sums of the definition of separation of church and state. So yes, its true theres no direct statement about "separation of church and state," the 1st Amendment makes clear the Framers' intentions.
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. (Thomas Jefferson, as President, in a letter to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, 1802."
Not verbatim in the constitution, but no doubt in sentiment.
n 1777. Continental Congress voted to spend $300,000 to purchase bibles which were to be distributed throughout the 13 colonies! And in 1782, the United States Congress declared, The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools."
Really? Ahmedinijad has said some very threatening things about Israel and Jews in general. It doesnt sound like something a respected world leader would do. It might be popular in the middle east but the world dont like to hear that from anyone.
You are right that he doesn't want to Nuke it (in my opinion) but he does want to racially cleanse it of the Jews that inhabit those lands. Is that really any better? (and I don't think that he is crazy either, just a victim of blind faith to an outdated idea, faith in an immoral higher being)
Really? Racism here? Let me guess, you are a Muslim.
If not then I apologize but if you are not Muslim then you have even less reason than racially bigoted Islamic followers who are indoctrinated into believing that Jews are evil.
I would also ask for your evidence of such a statement. (and for the reason for the need to use so many caps. Very hard to read)
I hope you are right in that I hope Ahmedinijad does not want nuclear weapons. The far bigger risk is the Pakistani nuclear arsenal getting into the hands of extremists. The Wahhabis are far more dangerous than Ayatollahs ever were.
WOW... if someone campaigned like this today, he/she would NEVER be elected. I guess in some ways the old days were actually better.
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And I dream of an America where all the adults finally grow up and stop believing in Santa Clause.
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It's amazing that this was 50 years in the past, not 50 years in the future
chainedtotheworld 6 months ago
the only reason a democrat would say this is because he knows that Chriatian views dont line up with thier views
13craj 8 months ago
Re-upload this with a lower background music volume, please.
sophocrat 8 months ago
What blows my mind....the republicans spew the god talk to get elected, then piss on on the middle and lower class. I recommend watching the documentary "whats the matter with Kansas". They voted in Bush two times in a row then got bent over, but bush said what they wanted to hear....god...lol.
Desdenova262 11 months ago
JFK wasn't going to be a puppet to big corporations... He was the last REAL president we've had. That's why he was senselessly assasinated. He spoke for the people, not big banks or profiteers.
trancebeats101 1 year ago
This is truly testament to the fact that we are in a state of regression.
sebc2s 1 year ago
Mr Jefferson, Build up that wall!
TheNamelessCharacter 1 year ago
This was quite a revolutionary speech in that time. When he was mentioning the individual religions, I was hoping to hear a reference about the non-religious, but that couldn't happen in 1960.
Now, fifty years later, non-believers are 15% of the population, and gaining steadily. Maybe, in my lifetime, we can become a majority.
Impalamark64 1 year ago
Not only turn down the guitar, but get the aspect ratio right too
pdxvanyel 1 year ago
Could someone, please, turn out that guitar?
I'm trying to listen what JFK is saying.
KapteinisNemo 1 year ago 6
Could someone, please, turn out that guitar?
KapteinisNemo 1 year ago
I'm compelled to point out that -- while I greatly appreciate you uploading this first and foremost -- I felt that given the old audio quality of the footage, the music doesn't mesh well. It made it, for me, difficult to follow the speech. Perhaps this isn't a problem for someone already familiar with the speech, but this is the first I'd ever heard it and the music was unfortunately a distraction. And note that I'm 27, with (as far as I know) normal hearing. Still, it may just be me.
Jadaco 1 year ago
This was a purely political speech to quell the then huge hatred, fears, and suspicions that the Protestants held for the Catholics! It has nothing to do with Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Bishop where the real meaning of Church and state
lies. He was proposing a "one-way wall" to keep the State out of the Church and NOT the other way around! Think of it like California's border fence. It wasn't erected to keep US Citizens out of Mexico, but to keep illegal aliens out of California.
toiseywoisey 1 year ago
@toiseywoisey //I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell the president, should he be Catholic, how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote//
its right there man. doesnt sound like hes proposing a one way wall. to keep state out of church. actually sounds like the opposite, regardless of his reasons for the speech. just sayin.
demondim5 1 year ago
heres the link. Download audio 5b
letsrollforums(dot)com/audio-john-todd-illuminati-t18311(dot)html?s=acd0ea0e327d0426b2dceba2d1e8cb2d&
realdeal119 1 year ago
@realdeal119
that's what you consider "proof" huh...you use a conspiracy site, to "prove" a conspiracy
you're crazy...
do a google search for: "reptillian shape shifters are taking over the world".
there are many people who can "prove" that it's a fact by your standards! LOL
seriously, take it easy weirdo. i'm done here.
Zentz29 1 year ago
@Zentz29 Conspiracy site? hahah good one. John todd was ex illuminati. I suggest u do thorough research before making such comments. The guy was even set up and killed for exposing the stuff he did.
realdeal119 1 year ago
JFK was a great thinker. Here's another great one of his speeches -
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ostralopithicus 1 year ago
too bad a lot of the things he was against happen today
onikage187 1 year ago
Good speech, but he never mentioned Muslims or atheists.
TheJesusSucks 1 year ago
This man stood for truth and freedom.
What happened to him? Murdered.
xGothimox 1 year ago
The more i listen to him, the less i wonder why he's been shot...
Acrimonator 1 year ago
Those who believed that the US government was founded on a christian nation is hogwash. Those who continue insist is directly inciting rebellion or defection from our nation's laws and should be viewed as treason.
darketernal3 1 year ago 2
what great man. Too bad he got shot...
Zarrinkoub 1 year ago 2
@Zarrinkoub
Sadly that's why he got shot. He was going against the agenda of the elite (big business, religion, etc). So they took him out.
myxoluser 1 year ago 2
@myxoluser kennedy want not against religion. He was a christain. thats one of the reasons he was killed
realdeal119 1 year ago
Yeah. Antidisestablishmentarianism.
riverlioness 1 year ago
This man was light years ahead of his time. Wouldn't surprise me if some religious idiot ordered his death.
grimordwow 1 year ago
@grimordwow
Close, some religious idiot was responsible for his brother's death, it was a Marxist idiot that was responsible for John F. Kennedy's death.
riverlioness 1 year ago
@riverlioness are u kidding me? Your falling right into the trap. The Illuminati wants religion gone. they didnt create nor are they using it to control people. They want an athiest society just like albert pike said so they can give people chips and usher in global satanism. People need to stop calling religious people idiots cause in reality, the religious people are the ones who are morally intact in most cases. Kennedy was a christain so i guess he was an idiot too ehhh? i dont think so.
realdeal119 1 year ago
@realdeal119 LMAO!!
i love comming across conspiracy theory nut-bags like you!
you're soooo funny!
the illuminati's commin ta get ya! LOL
it's sad that you'll never understand how insane you are... =-(
Zentz29 1 year ago
@Zentz29 Insane? ahahah you idiot. What do u think norvus ordo seclunum means on the back of the one dollar bill? Your reality is a fake and u dont even know it, Kennedy was killed cause he became christain. proven fact.
realdeal119 1 year ago
@realdeal119 how was this "proven fact"?
Zentz29 1 year ago
@Zentz29 research ex illuminati member john todd. He talks about kennedy and kennedys minister
realdeal119 1 year ago
@realdeal119
does this information "prove" that kennedy was killed because he was chirstian?
Zentz29 1 year ago
@realdeal119
stop being a moron, and start "learning"..
Zentz29 1 year ago
@Zentz29 Your the moron who wont except the truth, I didnt ignore anything, Im still looking for the video on here. And besides, u dont even need the video to prove it. You can google it. Just cause you have too much time on your hands and u can always reply instantly doesnt mean im ignoring u. Like i said before, research JOHN TOdd. U prob didnt do that cause youre in denial.
realdeal119 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
heres the link. Download audio 5b
letsrollforums(dot)com/audio-john-todd-illuminati-t18311(dot)html?s=acd0ea0e327d0426b2dceba2d1e8cb2d&
realdeal119 1 year ago
@realdeal119 "Kennedy was killed cause he became christain. proven fact"
You said it. Can you prove what you claim to be fact?
of course you can't...you just ignore people who disagree with you.
you are the average conspirsy loving weirdo.
you make BOLD claims, but can't back them up.
i DARE you to "prove" what you said is true...
let me make this as simple as i can...
YOU said "Kennedy was killed cause he became christain. proven fact"
STOP saying stuff, & LEARN stuff...
Zentz29 1 year ago
@realdeal119
I happen to be Christian myself and I find you guys idiots, so shut the hell up.
NUTCASE71733 1 year ago
too bad america cant live up to this :/
davidkis11 1 year ago
Please turn down the music! The voice audio is hard enough to understand.
TonyGia8679 1 year ago 9
WHY IS THERE BACKROUND MUSIC"??
doubledyll 1 year ago 7
omg they killed Kenny D
upublic 1 year ago
Big caption in block capital letters for this video reads: EPIC F**ING WIN!!!
lago4 2 years ago
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marius1ro 2 years ago
Fucktard.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago
@marius1ro yeah, cause religious people are insane and dangerous.
martialme84 1 year ago 6
I think this was the era when JFK hired Dylan to play accompaniment for all his speeches.
trickster1469 2 years ago 4
Every fundamentalist should read this.
Planetary0 2 years ago 2
Take note both parties and stop trying to inject religion into politics. It will be the downfall of this great nation.
badtown88 2 years ago 6
If Kennedy expressed such views in America today I wonder would he be electable. The speech is fifty years old and yet is even more relevant now than when it was made.
padraigomairtin 2 years ago 73
@padraigomairtin Sadly, this speech isn't as inspiring as it would seem to be. Kennedy was forced to give it because his opponents were flinging mud and saying that he was going to take orders from the pope, b/c he was the first catholic Prez. This speech was supposed to assure protestants that he wasn't going to be a manchurian candidate, which was a big concern at the time. Americans can be so silly sometimes. Taken out of context though, the speech is inspirational.
amarstan 2 years ago 5
and yet look how many to many people turn to church insted of there own minds what a shame good for you padraig for speaking out on this
marxbroths 2 years ago
If one was to compare the way the presidents present their facts, a significant contrast is to be found. Kennedy looks down alot on his papers when presenting in comparison to Obama that speeks freely etc.
cahpa 2 years ago
Remember that Obama has the benefit of an autocue.
audience2 2 years ago
Thank you so much for this :)
emeralds222 2 years ago 3
AMEN!
glockers111 2 years ago 2
It is a shame that Kennedy's views are not in use today. Now Washington is taking orders from Tel Aviv. We must destroy the ZOG machine before the ZOG machine destroys the USA. For those who do not know ZOG means Zionist Occupied Government. And believe me people, the Zionist are running the show here. That is why radical Islam has came here to try and destroy all of us. If we sever ties with Isreal we would reduce the chance of terrorism by 99%.
restinpeaceladymydog 2 years ago
As soon as we turn our back on Isreal, you know that the Muslims are PURE evil and it'll be too late. Take some... READ... and you'll find that nothingand no one is forced into ANY religon in America. That WILL change when the Muslims are in charge.
Iowans7 2 years ago
As soon as we turn our back on Isreal, the Arabs may reclaim their land but they will be more likely to have peace with the west.
restinpeaceladymydog 2 years ago
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First, It's not their land it belongs to the Jews. Second, you have NO idea what you're talking about. IF, they (Muslims) wanted PEACE they could have had it. The Gaza Strip was GIVEN to them and they've done NOTHING but want more land. They are not interested in peace they want to MURDER all Jews and Christians. DO A LITTLE HOMEWORK!
Iowans7 2 years ago
Thanks, good to see this!
I'm a Christian researching fighting for separation of church and state being preserved and this is good material.
imjeezsayin 2 years ago 7
How does a piece of historical footage not get a 5 star rating - are they pissed off at the audio quality or the lack of color in the image?
numbersabcdefg 2 years ago 4
Well, the guitar is too loud.
That said, FFreeThinkers video with Obama reaffirming a commitment to science education also received some < 5 star votes.
The problem is not the quality of the images or sound, but that some people are idiots.
AGrandt 2 years ago 3
Actually i must admit the music was a bit intrusive: i wanted to hear the words (some of us dont' know them by heart) - if they have merit, they will be the best music already. Lets not hide good words, let them sing!
intermender 2 years ago 4
VEry constitutional !
wowggscrub 2 years ago 2
Modern people of faith talk highly about this man all the time, they should listen to this and feel ashamed for there current actions in today's world.
CondorDM 2 years ago
awesome
wildboy789789 2 years ago 5
This is awesome. I actually had both hands over my head in a cheer while I was watching this.
webmaster2089 2 years ago 4
Good musical selection. Suited the tone of the speech well. Although I did imagine a strange, long-haired fellow playing guitar beside JFK.
Such a terrible shame JFK died before his time. And now his arguably greater brother is dead too. Such a shame.
EVLWNS 2 years ago 3
it almost seems he's ahead of of his time because some people are so backward on this issue now. they should listen to this speech.
confusa115 2 years ago 51
@confusa115 imagine 200 years ago!
mailsparaapagar 1 year ago
I wish Bush would listen to this speech
crapcrap86 2 years ago 6
I wish every American would listen to this speech !
tranquility4all 2 years ago 5
JFK. A great president. Truly.
mrswishthecleese 2 years ago 5
Man, this guy is awesome. Someone should elect him President!
bitterbug 2 years ago 10
The world is in turmoil because of the growing Religious fanatics cause by an elephant called Religion.
heartless33 2 years ago 6
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I do think God needs to be in government more. This world is in so much turmoile right now. So we should start in the United States.
xxGiantsxx56 2 years ago
imaginary sky wizards and oil are the primary causes of most of the wars going on right now. The last thing we need is to take a step back toward the dark ages.
MagellansUnderwear 2 years ago 2
I've never read anything so true and so right as what you just said! Thank you "MagellansUnderwear!" Let's take the world back from the uneducated!
mwboyer1 2 years ago 2
Kennedy never accepted pay for his term in office.
It elates and shames me to know that I am part of the race that bore King, Kennedy, Gandhi; as well as the men that took their lives: Crow, Oswald, Godse, respectively.
Rest in peace gentlemen, you were ahead of your time and we are in great debt to you all as well as countless other men and women who helped revolutionize the human race.
no1sjester 2 years ago 5
I wonder what Kennedy would think about Bush's federal faith based initiative that Obama not only did not cut but expanded when he took office. Literally tens of billions of taxpayer dollars going to religious organizations. It's sickening. If you want to know the true agenda of elected politicians don't listen to the spin, watch where the money goes.
Saromatae 2 years ago 5
the guitar is a relly bad idea... FAIL.
Maybe that was the reason that him was mudered... by christian fundamentalists...
rbeowulf 2 years ago 2
guitar is such a distraction.
rpizell 2 years ago 11
Agreed, this would be a lot better if we could hear him clearly
D119heavy 2 years ago 3
The man had a cause none of you iditots seen that yet LISTEN insted of fighting
dayo1075 2 years ago 7
I wish this was saw through.
Phazz3d0ut 2 years ago
The main reason for this speech is to assuage peoples fears about Kennedy being Catholic which at the time was somewhat "controversial" , still ,he makes a good point...
Librarian62 2 years ago
Separation is NOT in the Constitution but hey lots of things we take for granted aren't (Womens vote , slavery prohibition , Voting/drinking age etc.)
As a christian i would say that the principle of separation of church and state is a good one .
Librarian62 2 years ago 3
You're right, it's not explicitly in there. But it was an important principle to most of the founding fathers, too; there's plenty of quotes out there from Thomas Paine, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and the like where they describe the need for church-state separation.
After all, when the two intertwine, they tend to poison each other.
FreePlay 2 years ago 2
"...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT, Jan. 1, 1802
owlcowl 2 years ago
Yes.
I firmly believe in the separation of church and state; it's even written in the Constitution.
So why aren't we following it?
Why is the president sworn in on a Bible?
melikabangbang 2 years ago 2
melikabangbang: That IS a VERY GOOD question!!!
What would you swear on, or would just giving your word be enough? I mean you got elected president. You must have been doing something right that the voters liked.
Why isn't a man's word enough? A criminal swearing on the Bible, or someone who needs to suppress evidence doesn't care wha they swear on. It's a JOKE.
On us...
gjsterp 2 years ago
Technically the swearing in on the Bible isn't required. Teddy Roosevelt didn't use one, and John Quincy Adams used a book of law.
FreePlay 2 years ago
We are running to a New World Order, where the anti-Christ system is already. according to the Bible,2 thessalonia 2:4 he that opposeth and exalteth himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God.
mitube1979 2 years ago
Obama also is for the separation of church and state. But looking to JFK being assassinated i wonder about Obama.
linkuei83 2 years ago
"Obama also is for the separation of church and state. But looking to JFK being assassinated i wonder about Obama."
Kennedy was not assassinated for that reason, and if Obama suffers the same fate (which is a depressingly realistic prospect), it likewise wont be for any reason related to his position on church-state issues. Other matters are far more motivating to racists & sociopaths.
owlcowl 2 years ago
Being a bad catholic is what made JFK a good president.
game3525 2 years ago
"Being a bad catholic is what made JFK a good president."
Well, JFK wasnt really such a good president, but he was certainly a very bad Catholic, which is to his eternal credit!
owlcowl 2 years ago
Correct me if I am wrong, but the main requirement of being a "Christian" is believing in the divinity of "Jesus".
Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, and Madison amoung many others, had NO such belief. That is a matter of record, and to claim otherwise is a display of deceit and willful ignorance.
judoyodan 2 years ago 2
Christianity or the belief in God. My point is God playing a role in the lives of the founders. They might not have all been Christians and some of them might not have believed in God but to deny that most of them were in fact believers in God is stupidity on your part.
DevieBoy66 2 years ago
And the "stupidity" on YOUR part is not knowing the difference between Christianity and deism.
judoyodan 2 years ago 4
Ok, well regardless, More often than not these founding fathers believed in God. That's a fact. How can you honestly dispute that. If 75% of them believed in God and 25% of them were deists them what I'm saying would still be correct. You take a handful of the them and say that didn't believe in God and now all of a sudden our founding fathers weren't christian. They for the most part did believe in God. You're just so damn smart aren't you?
DevieBoy66 2 years ago
Since you appear reluctant to educate yourself as to the meaning of being a "deist", simply put, it is a belief in A supreme noninterventionist being OR force. NOT in ANY way a relative to your Christian sky daddy. Deists have as much in common with Christians as they do with Atheists. Most(that means more than 50%) of the founding fathers were DEISTS or outright atheists.
Keep in mind the fundy "movement" didn't take hold until the early 1900's
judoyodan 2 years ago 3
"If 75% of them believed in God and 25% of them were deists"
LOL! Deists DO believe in god, just not the biblical god or any other personal deity. As judoyodan notes, if you wont educate yourself about the meaning of deism, you have no business participating in this discussion. But your other comments have already established this.
owlcowl 2 years ago
"to deny that most of them were in fact believers in God is stupidity on your part"
Nobody is arguing that they did not believe in god! None of the Founders, not even Paine, were explicit atheists (a position held only by some French thinkers at the time). Most of the foremost intellectual contributors were deists -- they believed in "Nature and Natures God" ( a phrase that recurs often in their writings). Many others were churchgoing Christians, but mostly members of liberal denominations.
owlcowl 2 years ago
The framer's of the constitution were almost all Bible believing Christians who spoke about God in their speeches and prayed in public ceremonies. Their intention was that the government could not establish an official religion like England had, for example. This does not mean however that a public servant has to hide his/her faith. Quite the opposite. Remember hearing, "So help me God" while Obama was being sworn in?
DevieBoy66 2 years ago
If they were all bible believing fundamentalists they would have kicked Jefferson, Franklin and Henry out of the 1787 delegation for heresy and sacrilege.
The U.S. Constitution authors were very intelligent men who regularly separated religious motivations from political ones. The Treaty of Tripoli, in which POTUS Adams declared the American government to be secular and the 1st Amendment to the Constitution, in which we protect religion from government and government from religion are enough.
andymcgaha 2 years ago
I didn't say all. If you read my comment carefully you would have noticed I said "almost all." America is secular but that's because to make it a "religious" nation would require establishing an official national religion which was a bad idea. (The tyranny of England before the Revolution)
DevieBoy66 2 years ago
You misunderstand me. If all the Christian founders were biblical fundamentalists as you paint them they would never have allowed Jefferson, Franklin and Henry to be such integral members of the 3rd Continental Congress.
Whether or not they were partially Christian is completely beside the point; they founded a secular government for very good reasons. Government cannot be of the people if it's influenced by a particular religion and religion cannot survive being entangled in government intact.
andymcgaha 2 years ago
Well let me put it to you this way: If someone was greatly influenced politically by Karl Marx or personally influenced by their, i dunno...grandmother, we wouldn't think twice about allowing a leader to use that influence on their character or ideals to make decisions about the governance of the country. BUT if someone is influenced by their belief in God, they are in the wrong for allowing that to be a factor in the way they lead or make decisions. Isn't that a bit weird to you?
DevieBoy66 2 years ago
DevieBoy66, allowing your philosophy to influence your decisions is not unusual, even if that philosophy comes from a religious tradition.
Where the line is crossed is when that religion's theology becomes integral to your decision-making and you begin using that religion as a tool to get people to vote for you. Exploiting religion for politics cheapens both governance and the religion at the same time. Before you know it you've got a "faith-off" as both politicians try to out-faith each other.
andymcgaha 2 years ago
To deny the influence of religion (Christianity) on the men who founded this country, wrote and ratified our constitution, served as elected public leaders is a huge error. They were ALMOST ALL God fearing men.
DevieBoy66 2 years ago
"They were ALMOST ALL God fearing men" -- No, they were almost all openly theistic, but most were not literally "god-fearing" because they didnt believe in a deity who intervened in worldly affairs & judged human actions, consigning souls to heaven or hell, etc. Jefferson & Franklin explicitly rejected all supernatural elements in religion, and Jefferson published his own version of the bible with all the miraculous elements deleted. Madison was completely silent on his religious beliefs. cont
owlcowl 2 years ago
cont --Washington is an enigma - biographers disagree about what his personal faith truly was. He attended the Episcopal church but always left before the sacraments; when the priest observed that this set a bad example for the flock, Washington agreed & stopped going altogether! He never refers to Christ, Jesus or holy scripture in his letters, only to an aloof Providence, so its likely that he shared in the deism of his contemporaries. He certainly was not an orthodox Christian believer. cont
owlcowl 2 years ago
cont -- Most of the signers of the Declaration and Constitution were at least nominal Christians, as members of church congregations, but the largest number were Episcopalians, with several Presbyterians, Methodists & Unitarians (if one considers Unitarians to be Christians at all!). These were the most moderate Protestant denominations in the 18th century, corresponding loosely with the mainline National Council of Churches types in our contemporary religious context. cont.
owlcowl 2 years ago
cont - But modern evangelical Protestantism would have seemed very alien to Christians of that time, as it dates from the Second Great Awakening of the early 19C and of course the 20C idiocy of fundamentalism did not yet exist. So far as can be gleaned from the record, the only major Founders who would be considered evangelical Christians, as we understand the term today, were Samuel Adams & John Jay. cont.
owlcowl 2 years ago
In all the founding documents of American government - Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, US Constitution - there is no mention of Christianity, Christ, Jesus, or the Bible, only to God as Creator and to impersonal Providence. In the entire 85 essays of the Federalist Papers, there are only two references to God, both to "Nature's God", the standard deistic conception. So its quite clear that while the Founders were no atheists, few of them were devout Christians either.
owlcowl 2 years ago 2
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CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
Just because they were nice enough to remember that not every American was a Christian doesn't mean that most of them weren't Christians.
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
Charesthehamer: No, it certainly doesnt mean that they werent Christians, since they did believe strongly in religious liberty. As i said, most of the founders were indeed churchgoing Christians, some devout, some nominal, just as today. But a large number of them, especially among the intellectual leaders, were in fact deists. Jefferson & Franklin held publicly stated views on Christianity which would make them unelectable in most of the US today.
owlcowl 2 years ago
Jefferson is an enigma but he saw himself as a Christian and tried to follow the morals.
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
"Jefferson is an enigma but he saw himself as a Christian and tried to follow the morals."
No, he regarded himself as Christian only in the sense of admiring the ethical system expounded by Jesus, but he explicitly disbelieved in Christ's divinity, as well as the Trinity & rejected all supernatural elements in the Bible, which disqualifies him as a Christian by most accepted definitions. He admired Unitarianism & said he would likely attend if there were any Unitarian churches in his area.
owlcowl 2 years ago
"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors."
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
owlcowl 2 years ago
"Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820
owlcowl 2 years ago
"The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine." cont.
owlcowl 2 years ago
cont- "In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
owlcowl 2 years ago
"I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshiped by many who think themselves Christians."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789
owlcowl 2 years ago
"It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [Revelation, or The Apaocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825
owlcowl 2 years ago
"They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion."
-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800
owlcowl 2 years ago
"Just because they were nice enough to remember that not every American was a Christian doesn't mean that most of them weren't Christians."
We know from their personal writing that they weren't.
FreePlay 2 years ago
Oh really you've read the personal writings of George Wythe?
That's what I thought STFU,
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
George Wythe wasn't a signer of the Constitution. Sorry. Not that it matters; you've named one person.
FreePlay 2 years ago
He signed the United States Declaration of Independence dipshit.
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
Tell me, buddy, how many laws of our nation are based on the Declaration of Independence? How many Supreme Court cases have been judged based on whether or not something complied with the DoI?
That's right - NONE. The *CONSTITUTION* is the FOUNDATION of American government and law, NOT the Declaration of Independence.
Learn a bit about civics, please.
FreePlay 2 years ago
Tell me, buddy what part of "he signed the United States Declaration of Independence" are you failing to get?
Learn a bit about civics, please.
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
'Tell me, buddy what part of "he signed the United States Declaration of Independence" are you failing to get?
Learn a bit about civics, please. '
The fact that you don't realize that the DoI is irrelevant is amusing.
We base our laws on the Constitution, not the DoI.
The Constitution never mentions God, Jesus, the Bible, or anything like that, and was decried at the time of its writing by American Christians for being such a strongly secular document.
FreePlay 2 years ago 2
"the DoI is irrelevant"
I'm going to politly assume you mean to the topic you want to be at hand.
Since the idea of george wythe as a founding father is to much for you to handle I'll give you another one.
Roger Sherman.
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
You don't seem to understand that it isn't even remotely relevant what they believed.
The CONSTITUTION is what matters. It is the founding document of our nation. And after much deliberation and debate, they INTENTIONALLY kept any mention of God or Christianity *out*.
FreePlay 2 years ago 2
You claimed we know from the founders personal writing that they weren't Christians.
So I'm asking if you have read the personal writings of Roger Sherman.
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
Allow me to repeat myself:
"You don't seem to understand that it isn't even remotely relevant what they believed.
The CONSTITUTION is what matters. It is the founding document of our nation. And after much deliberation and debate, they INTENTIONALLY kept any mention of God or Christianity *out*."
Most of our founding fathers were Deists, not Christians. BUT THAT IS NOT RELEVANT.
This is not now, never was, and never will be a Christian nation.
FreePlay 2 years ago 4
Allow me to repeat myself:
I wrote: "Just because they were nice enough to remember that not every American was a Christian doesn't mean that most of them weren't Christians."
You wrote:
"We know from their personal writing that they weren't."
After asking you about george wythe which you deny was a founding father I asked you about Roger Sherman.
You have since failed to answer if you have read his personal writing likely because you were talking out of your ass when you made your claim.
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
You've named two obscure people most Americans wouldn't even claim to know about.
Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, John Adams, James Madison... All had quite a bit to say about keeping religion out of government, and vice versa.
Perhaps you should be considering people who actually mattered. Oh, and beside that, DOCUMENTS that actually matter, like the Constitution.
You can continue to delude yourself if you'd like, but we're not falling for it anymore.
FreePlay 2 years ago 4
Are you attempting to claim Thomas Paine as a founding father?
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
Are you trying to say that the guy who helped spark the American revolution and gave us the name "The United States of America" wasn't a founding father?
FreePlay 2 years ago 2
Is that a yes?
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
Of course it is.
FreePlay 2 years ago
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First you claim George Wythe wasn't a founding father because he wasn't a signer of the Constitution.
Now you claim Thomas Paine was a founding father though he didn't sign ANY founding document.
You duplicitous twat.
For your next trick are you going to piss your pants and say someone else did it?
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
Thomas Paine helped spark the American revolution and gave our nation its name, as well as provided guiding influence for the framers of the Constitution.
You keep harping on this like it matters. Our Constitution was INTENTIONALLY written as a secular document, to found a SECULAR nation.
Get OVER IT.
FreePlay 2 years ago 2
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He didn't sign the Constitution and you know it.
Now go blame someone else for your piss stained pants you fraud.
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
We're done, troll.
FreePlay 2 years ago
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That's right run away you double standard shit stain!
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
You're not even a very GOOD troll.
FreePlay 2 years ago
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And you're not very good at not lying.
hit the bricks shit lick.
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
"The framer's of the constitution were almost all Bible believing Christians"
This assertion is comically ignorant to anyone familiar with the framer's writings on religion. They belonged to the most secular generation in American history, as i noted earlier, products of the Enlightenment who spoke of God in deistic terms: an impersonal creator who manifested in human affairs only as a magisterially impartial Providence. "So help me god" is not present in the formal oath, but is a later add-on.
owlcowl 2 years ago
There is no such thing as "seperation of Church and State" that phrase is not in the Constitution! No where in the Constitution or Amendments are the words "seperation" "church" or "state". Not only that but the phrase is not found in ANY founding document. Please people- actually read the Constitution before you comment ,otherwise you continue to show your ignorance just as JFK and others who did not actualy read the Constitution.
lawone3 2 years ago
i suspect this was a heartfelt intelligent remark from one of your more enlightened power brokers, seperating "church and state" is secondary to common sense.
Wulfrig 2 years ago
The 1st Amendment says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" this statement guarantees a freedom of religion and a freedom from religion. This sums of the definition of separation of church and state. So yes, its true theres no direct statement about "separation of church and state," the 1st Amendment makes clear the Framers' intentions.
ChazzyJoe 2 years ago 2
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. (Thomas Jefferson, as President, in a letter to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, 1802."
Not verbatim in the constitution, but no doubt in sentiment.
Maybe it is you who should read more.
judoyodan 2 years ago
n 1777. Continental Congress voted to spend $300,000 to purchase bibles which were to be distributed throughout the 13 colonies! And in 1782, the United States Congress declared, The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools."
DevieBoy66 2 years ago
Really? Ahmedinijad has said some very threatening things about Israel and Jews in general. It doesnt sound like something a respected world leader would do. It might be popular in the middle east but the world dont like to hear that from anyone.
tubester4567 2 years ago
You are right that he doesn't want to Nuke it (in my opinion) but he does want to racially cleanse it of the Jews that inhabit those lands. Is that really any better? (and I don't think that he is crazy either, just a victim of blind faith to an outdated idea, faith in an immoral higher being)
Peace
AtheistEvolution 2 years ago
Really? Racism here? Let me guess, you are a Muslim.
If not then I apologize but if you are not Muslim then you have even less reason than racially bigoted Islamic followers who are indoctrinated into believing that Jews are evil.
I would also ask for your evidence of such a statement. (and for the reason for the need to use so many caps. Very hard to read)
Peace
AtheistEvolution 2 years ago
drop the music please... it's too loud and makes it hard to hear what kennedy is saying..
FinnHawk 2 years ago 3
I hope you are right in that I hope Ahmedinijad does not want nuclear weapons. The far bigger risk is the Pakistani nuclear arsenal getting into the hands of extremists. The Wahhabis are far more dangerous than Ayatollahs ever were.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago
brilliant man... the US has lost its way in the absence of such great leaders and in the rise of mediocrity, superstition, ignorance, etc.
philosophyNpolitics 2 years ago
Unless the minister is Black, and one of the Candidates is Black...oh hayell yeahhh !
gruntrvn 2 years ago
The last independent President, and look what happened to him.
Gugguggug 2 years ago