Lee changed his mind about his cause and did it on purpose because he realized how retarded his side was. Good thing he decided to do so because without that victory the Union could have lost.
I think it is harsh to discredit Lee. Lee was amazing with Longstreet and Stonewall Jackson at helm. Lee this time at Gettysburg had no cavalry. His cavalry was his scout, of which commanded by JEB Stuart had gone missing.
It was not that Lee did not know about the maxims of warfare, he had no means of recon, he had to deploy or return back to Virginia.
The right choice would be to return to Virginia. But if you put yourself in Lee's shoes, you would choose attack.
@ConstantineJoseph I'm sick of the harshness toward Lee too. Had Jackson had not died the CSA would have certainly won at Gettysburg: Jackson would have overran those dismounted cav and flooded onto the highground, plus Jackson would not have missed Little Round Top- indeed he probably would have occupied it on the first day. Considering Mead's cautiousness, there probably wouldn't have even been a battle and Lee's footsore army would have gotten the shoes they wanted
Well, if General Jackson was wiser not to conduct recon missions at night into enemy territory in Chancellorsville, he would have lived to see Gettysburg.
Its important that great generals themselves must understand and analyze risks before they conduct any operation. Moreover, if I were to scout enemy positions at night, I would prefer to be on foot.
There are many factors in winning a battle, such as Gettysburg where there will be "what ifs".
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@PatrickEngSU Excellent comments you have made through out the whole SunTzu series, thanks for the intelligent input which is a ray of lay for me compared to reading rants about "Chuck Norris" and "im gonna use Sun Tzu's tactics in star craft" etc. Keep it up sir.
@MilitiaHQ Really? This guy has been criticizing Sun Tzu through out the whole series without giving him any credit. I was going to reply to him to stuff it but decided it wasn't worth it.
pretty far away, and it WAS very likely, strategical defense of enemy position or no, possibly a great time to strike, especially if they felt THEY, in turn, could somehow use that terrain to their advantage by the time the reinforcements DID arrive. Lol look at the historians making assumptions and misinterpreting/leaving out parts of the article/treatise they're studying XD
actually, while Lee did seem to make foolish move acting on assumption, he would not have been, most probably, in violation of sun tzu's wisdoms of war. Sun Tsu suggests that striking when the opportunity arises (the importance of speed vs sometimes OVERplanning + hesitance) is important, and that we must crush our enemy totally and absolutely, when given the chance, so as not to expect as much/any more resistance in the future. Lee knew/thought the enemies reinforcements were
Sun Tsu probably the greatest military mind in human history. Probably a childhood prodigy? With a triple digit IQ? Had general Lee listened and drawn the union army off cemetery ridge? This country could have easily been the confederate states of America. Scary!
Throwing good money after bad, very true. However, sometime you do not know if it was bad or mistimed. If it's bad, switch the strategy. If it were mistimed, you still have the advantage. Giving up your ground when you have mistimed is a trick that the enemy will do to force you to retreat.
@baugergroup He certainly had his chance to end the war, all his successes prior to Gettysburg meant nothing compared to that monumental fuck up, he should have listened to Longstreet. Better yet Jackson or Longstreet should have led the Confederate army.
You're right. Longstreet seems to have instinctively grasped Sun Tzu's principles. However Longstreet was criticized in a few of the major battles for being too slow to attack.
@MilitiaHQ Although he fucked up at Gettysburg, he had majorly beaten five Union generals before Gettysburg. Jackson or Longstreet unlikely would have achieved this, but Lee fucked up at Gettysburg. Overall the Union won the Civil war because of superior logistics and Technological advances that the Confederates couldn't keep up with. :)
@MilitiaHQ Jackson had died before the battle of Gettysburg, in fact Lee was a genius of war, Lincoln personally wanted Lee to lead the Union army at the start of the war. Lee made the mistakes that cost him the war ant Gettysburg because his best friend (Jackson) had recently died and also cause he got a little cocky about his army thinking they were invincibly (it happens quite a bit in history) so ya Lee did fail Catastrophically at Gettysburg but he was still a Genius of war
@noserrub Very true my friend, its easy for us to judge history, and say what we should have and should not have done. Yes Lee was the obvious choice to lead the confederate army, its just a great pity that the one mistake was his biggest and ultimately cost the confederacy the war.
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HistoryHmoobGuy 6 days ago
Lee changed his mind about his cause and did it on purpose because he realized how retarded his side was. Good thing he decided to do so because without that victory the Union could have lost.
rustyschackleford100 1 month ago
I think it is harsh to discredit Lee. Lee was amazing with Longstreet and Stonewall Jackson at helm. Lee this time at Gettysburg had no cavalry. His cavalry was his scout, of which commanded by JEB Stuart had gone missing.
It was not that Lee did not know about the maxims of warfare, he had no means of recon, he had to deploy or return back to Virginia.
The right choice would be to return to Virginia. But if you put yourself in Lee's shoes, you would choose attack.
ConstantineJoseph 3 months ago
@ConstantineJoseph I'm sick of the harshness toward Lee too. Had Jackson had not died the CSA would have certainly won at Gettysburg: Jackson would have overran those dismounted cav and flooded onto the highground, plus Jackson would not have missed Little Round Top- indeed he probably would have occupied it on the first day. Considering Mead's cautiousness, there probably wouldn't have even been a battle and Lee's footsore army would have gotten the shoes they wanted
PatrickEngSU 4 weeks ago
@PatrickEngSU
Well, if General Jackson was wiser not to conduct recon missions at night into enemy territory in Chancellorsville, he would have lived to see Gettysburg.
Its important that great generals themselves must understand and analyze risks before they conduct any operation. Moreover, if I were to scout enemy positions at night, I would prefer to be on foot.
There are many factors in winning a battle, such as Gettysburg where there will be "what ifs".
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
Asians are masters of war...No wonder all white nations have no longer try to colonized Asian lands...Now its the Arabs turn
HistoryHmoobGuy 6 months ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy the japanese surrende WW2? oh great asians
JerseyPaulyD 6 months ago
@JerseyPaulyD WOW WOO HOO !!!, Americans are sooooooo tough !!!
Q: Why did Japan lose ?
"My" A: Japan lost because they were gang rape by the world. Imagine America -VS- the world ?, I bet America would fall in 3 days, because the American people are weak and they will betray and turn into traitors.
P.S. Go film your wife fuck black guys at the motel like how you white people like it,,,and when you get bored of that, then film your wife fuck dogs and horses..THE GREAT WHITE RACE !!!
HistoryHmoobGuy 6 months ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy No, the pacific war was essentially a contest between the united states and japan. Brittain was occupied in the pacific and the soviet union signed a nonaggression pact with japan and didn't invade manchuria until 1945 when nagasaki was bombed. It's painful to read your comments- I would be embarrassed to have written testaments of such ignorance.
PatrickEngSU 1 month ago
@PatrickEngSU Excellent comments you have made through out the whole SunTzu series, thanks for the intelligent input which is a ray of lay for me compared to reading rants about "Chuck Norris" and "im gonna use Sun Tzu's tactics in star craft" etc. Keep it up sir.
MilitiaHQ 1 month ago
@MilitiaHQ Really? This guy has been criticizing Sun Tzu through out the whole series without giving him any credit. I was going to reply to him to stuff it but decided it wasn't worth it.
pugilist102 1 month ago
@MilitiaHQ Thanks
PatrickEngSU 4 weeks ago
Col. Chamberlain was a stud!
joah07 8 months ago
@joah07 yes he is
majorfearr 3 months ago
The whole war was planned. One way or another the North was meant to win.
88dragons88 11 months ago
@88dragons88 What, do you think that Lincoln planned to have South Carolina secede?
Discorsi95 10 months ago
though to be fair, Lee makes a loooot of stupid mistakes in this hehe
fatalassassin7 11 months ago
pretty far away, and it WAS very likely, strategical defense of enemy position or no, possibly a great time to strike, especially if they felt THEY, in turn, could somehow use that terrain to their advantage by the time the reinforcements DID arrive. Lol look at the historians making assumptions and misinterpreting/leaving out parts of the article/treatise they're studying XD
fatalassassin7 11 months ago
actually, while Lee did seem to make foolish move acting on assumption, he would not have been, most probably, in violation of sun tzu's wisdoms of war. Sun Tsu suggests that striking when the opportunity arises (the importance of speed vs sometimes OVERplanning + hesitance) is important, and that we must crush our enemy totally and absolutely, when given the chance, so as not to expect as much/any more resistance in the future. Lee knew/thought the enemies reinforcements were
fatalassassin7 11 months ago
Sun Tsu probably the greatest military mind in human history. Probably a childhood prodigy? With a triple digit IQ? Had general Lee listened and drawn the union army off cemetery ridge? This country could have easily been the confederate states of America. Scary!
PAM2167 1 year ago 16
@PAM2167 well let's thank God Lee's pride got in the way lol
MrDeverly1 1 year ago
@PAM2167 the rest of the world would have been better off
katsalladin 8 months ago
@katsalladin
Amen.
CarboKill 7 months ago
@PAM2167 Triple digit IQ? That's not particularly impressive, you know.
Pomme843 3 months ago
@Pomme843
Triple digit starting with the hundreth place with a "2" and the rest with random numbers? Now THAT would've been impressive :P
StryderK 2 months ago
Throwing good money after bad, very true. However, sometime you do not know if it was bad or mistimed. If it's bad, switch the strategy. If it were mistimed, you still have the advantage. Giving up your ground when you have mistimed is a trick that the enemy will do to force you to retreat.
Fullperson 1 year ago
Lee was a fool!
baugergroup 1 year ago
@baugergroup He certainly had his chance to end the war, all his successes prior to Gettysburg meant nothing compared to that monumental fuck up, he should have listened to Longstreet. Better yet Jackson or Longstreet should have led the Confederate army.
MilitiaHQ 1 year ago 3
@MilitiaHQ
You're right. Longstreet seems to have instinctively grasped Sun Tzu's principles. However Longstreet was criticized in a few of the major battles for being too slow to attack.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@MilitiaHQ Although he fucked up at Gettysburg, he had majorly beaten five Union generals before Gettysburg. Jackson or Longstreet unlikely would have achieved this, but Lee fucked up at Gettysburg. Overall the Union won the Civil war because of superior logistics and Technological advances that the Confederates couldn't keep up with. :)
SkullKing11841 9 months ago
@MilitiaHQ Jackson had died before the battle of Gettysburg, in fact Lee was a genius of war, Lincoln personally wanted Lee to lead the Union army at the start of the war. Lee made the mistakes that cost him the war ant Gettysburg because his best friend (Jackson) had recently died and also cause he got a little cocky about his army thinking they were invincibly (it happens quite a bit in history) so ya Lee did fail Catastrophically at Gettysburg but he was still a Genius of war
noserrub 6 months ago
@noserrub Very true my friend, its easy for us to judge history, and say what we should have and should not have done. Yes Lee was the obvious choice to lead the confederate army, its just a great pity that the one mistake was his biggest and ultimately cost the confederacy the war.
MilitiaHQ 6 months ago
@MilitiaHQ its true, but that's how history usually plays it out with great leaders; they make one mistake that looses them the war
noserrub 6 months ago
@baugergroup well, i am glad that the north won. that was a stupid war anyways
sniperdude5236 9 months ago
@baugergroup was just thinking the same thing. Lee definety was a fool
purehotup 7 months ago
@baugergroup
Lee was prideful.
xAPxSKORP1QN 5 months ago
@baugergroup nah his ego and arrogance overtake his intelegence
rza884 4 days ago