Capitalism versus Corporatism (And the Occupy Protests)

[AdamRainStopper]

Thanks :-)

[AdamRainStopper]

TAG......

Awaiting your approval on my video response......may I? It kinda takes the corporatism angle in another direction, in the form of a song. When you were talking about GE, it made me think "oh, yeah I should reply with a video".

[Jimtheprogrammer]

It seems that you dont understand Corporatism much like many of the people in the OWS movement. It is not because corps "Are too profitable". Corps are the one writting and pushing for the regulations. Your "tempered capitalism" is pretty much opening the door for complete corporatism because it puts a profit motive behind regulation. If I own a large corp and I can pass a 1 million dollar cost environmental reg then all the smaller businesses go under. That is how corporatism comes to be.

[Hustis1]

Hell yeah botany, You said that nicely. Thanks

[HolyReaperX01]

@Styxhexenhammer666 you should watch Zeitgeist Addendum. it's on Youtube and it's approximately 2 hours long. It's mainly about what the monetary system is, it's flaws, and a viable solution, in which it presents the Venus Project and the use of a resource based economy, which we currently don't have. I believe this to be the best solution, however, so long as we have a monetary system, i agree with you that balanced capitalism is the best solution and that corporatism is parasitical.

[rumco]

No place for the State in the free market capitalism.

[hemptime123]

man , there both the fucking same ..

[Styxhexenhammer666]

@johnsdeath Capitalism relies upon competition. If a corporation has cornered a market so well it no longer experiences competition, it is obvious something is wrong with the tax or regulation system.

Corporations currently are FAVORED by the government, many larger corporations pay little or no tax. If they were paying their fair share, there would be greater competition.

These idiots saying "LOWER THE CORPORATE TAX RATE" Don't understand that would mean they'd have to PAY corporations

[Ihateregistrations1]

Thanks dude, there are a lot of idiots out there who get this confused. This video was needed on Youtube.

[johnsdeath]

Does a country absolutely have to be in a global economy? America could be self-sufficient, producing what its people needs, and exporting a bit. I know this would piss off capitalist... But who really profits from it anyway? A tiny minority. Screw global economy. This country should be just self-sufficient. Limited business competition, and within the borders only.

[thedearpsychonaut]

@johnsdeath america? self sufficient? thats a funny joke. there's a better chance of ralph nader running for president and winning the next election.

[DavidCaviar]

Isn't Corporatism an inevitable side effect of Capitalism? 

[thedearpsychonaut]

@DavidCaviar you stole my comment. you butthole.

[1ex1uger]

@DavidCaviar

I found myself thinking the same thing. Wal-Mart, Starbucks, McDonalds, et al. didn't START OUT as corporate monoliths, yet look at what they've become. Who's to say history wouldn't repeat itself if people somehow found a way to cleanse the economy of its current corporatist corruption?

[Zachdudeio2]

Venus Project

[elitet0kr]

BTW, are you going to do a video on "Boddahism" / "TheRealAmyLee"?

I saw the comment you left on her channel but she deleted it really fast unfortunately.

Could you believe what you were seeing? LOL

[Styxhexenhammer666]

@elitet0kr LOL. Normally the less attention you give obvious trolls, the less they propagate.

[elitet0kr]

@Styxhexenhammer666

True. I checked out her blog and couldn't stop reading because it was just SO ridiculous. I literally read like 4 full pages worth of blogs. I guess I find it interesting because it's an insight to an obviously schizophrenic/delusional person's mind.

but yeah, I lol'd at your comment about writing half of the songs on Beatles' albums.

[elitet0kr]

It's been so long since Americans have experienced civil war that the lessons learned have been largely forgotten. Politicians think they can do whatever they want and get away with it. They're never held accountable. They know the majority American people care more about their consumer lifestyle than politics, and therefore they're easy to lead around like sheep. It's been designed this way. But it's changing and a revolution is near.

[elitet0kr]

Free market capitalism is an outdated economic model. There has to be a proper balance between capitalism and socialism. The northern European countries like Germany, Sweden, the Netherlands, etc. have a very high standard of living because the people of Europe have governments that actually represent, for the most part, the PEOPLE. There are some exceptions, but WW1 & 2 are still fresh in the minds of Europeans. The leaders there know the people will revolt if they're being screwed over.

[sharperguy]

@elitet0kr They've only been trying this for 90+ years. Working out well so far right?

[elitet0kr]

@sharperguy

I'd say so. Are you gonna join me in the revolt? haha

[TheNuclearNut]

When you said you believe that capitalism should temporary, what did you mean?

[Styxhexenhammer666]

@TheNuclearNut "tempered" not "temporary."

It needs to be controlled so that we prevent worker abuse.

[johnsdeath]

@Styxhexenhammer666 Corporatism = successful capitalism. That is, kill competition. Walmark, Mc Donoughts and Starbust are success stories for capitalism. Corporatism and capitalism are the SAME THING. Unless you prefer capitalism with government intervention... Well then that's not capitalism anymore. How the hell can you say you're an anti-corporatist capitalist. That makes no sense. The logic of capitalism is to grow into a corporation.

[Styxhexenhammer666]

@johnsdeath And when things escalate to corporatism, can't you see the logical next step is that monopolies continue to conglomerate until capitalism is replaced by a handful of huge corporations? Just because capitalism has been around a long time doesn't mean our PARTICULAR style isn't capable of going wrong.

In the early 1900s railroad, steel, coal, and oil built trusts and monopolies. The government broke them up. Prices fell and competition emerged. It was GOOD for the economy.

[johnsdeath]

@Styxhexenhammer666 Very complex. In the current situation, main problem coulkd be that the government (supposedly representing the people) ( and which consists of people, not less susceptible to corruption) is hand in hand with corporations on various contracts (ex: energy projects, medication, etc) Anyway a good gvt intervention, from a genuine government, after lots of democratic pressure, could limit the corporation omnipotence in theory, I don't how in practice. Corps are more powerful

[Styxhexenhammer666]

@johnsdeath And these so-called conservatives (which are actually corporatists in disguise) need to learn from history.

They say "awwww the corporations won't drive up prices or abuse workers or lower wages or lower safety standards to make money, they'd get outcompeted for employment!"

All those things and more happened with our rail system in the late 1800s, hence TDR, Taft, and trust busting. The rail companies monopolized and drove down safety standards. Many people died as a result.

[johnsdeath]

@Styxhexenhammer666 '' Conservatives'' lol in America are definitely run by corporatists (romfl and they claimt they are ''true reprentatives'' of the people aka Tea Party) I dunno, that's almost enough to become very very misanthropic. Why can't these idiots understand that the profit of shareholders is directing their present and future, wow. Useful idiots

[johnsdeath]

@Styxhexenhammer666 by the way, this argument you cited is crap because 1) corporations act like cartels (they will have similar policies to profit alltogether from a given situation) and 2) we still have a government (yet feeble) that will enforce minimal rights from the workers. Take out gvt, we're screwed: perfect ploutocracy.

[Styxhexenhammer666]

@johnsdeath If you want to know what corporate control leads to in the absence of good competition and regulation, read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair.

[johnsdeath]

@Styxhexenhammer666 Didn't know about this book, thanks for the suggestion. And very interesting politics vids btw

[PatriotGoUSA]

I think the problem lies in the tax code in the US. The reason the corporations are buying materials and moving jobs overseas is to avoid taxes. This is made even easier for them by NAFTA, CAFTA, etc. The politicians are the ones that took bribes and passed the tax laws. They are the ones that need to get the boot. And if we don't reform our tax code, there will be very few jobs here in 20 years, because now the infrastructure is in place where corporations can easily do business overseas.

[Styxhexenhammer666]

@PatriotGoUSA Most of them pay little or no taxes lol, blaming the tax structure makes no sense.

[johnsdeath]

@Styxhexenhammer666 What he meant is that many countries once considered emergent (like 30 years ago) and who are nowadays economically strong (China, India) still profit now from these very advantageous duty rates, which encourage american companies to relocate over there. This is not good for the local workers. Not that I claim to have a solution...

[JBC814]

Sorry, I didn't know. However, you could buy them a wireless headphone set.

[sharperguy]

I think you're definitely right about the distinction between corporatism and capitalism. But have you considered that many so-called regulations are actually part of corporatism because they create barriers to competition? I think it's possible to have regulations which aren't created by the government - and that if the government does try to regulate the market, it will always lead to corporatism because there is so much profit to be make by even tweaking the regulations slightly.

[sharperguy]

@sharperguy Also you talk a lot about how outsourcing makes production so cheap for corporations that nobody can compete with them, but you don't say why this is a problem. I can only see it being a problem if they charge high prices or produce a shawdy product - but if they did that they'd be making it possible to compete with them again. If they really do reduce prices then the extra money people would've spent on their product can go to buying other things and create more jobs.

[sharperguy]

@sharperguy To reference my first post, the real problem are the government barriers to entry that prevent competition but allow prices to remain high. Then the corporation can perform cost-cutting measures but not cut prices, meaning less jobs and higher prices - but more profit for the corporation.

[btorrres18]

What we are experiencing in the US is not true Capitalism its Crony-Capitalism.

[Styxhexenhammer666]

@btorrres18 Exactly- corporatism. There's no longer any real competition for most very large businesses. This stifles capitalism- it's like artificially keeping a bunch of old useless trees alive instead of letting newer, healthier ones grow.

[scheaden]

@btorrres18 Crony-Capitalism=Crapitalism. lol 

[Styxhexenhammer666]

@thezeon259 By expanding the economy, more money is freed up to help the poor- that is if it is regulated properly.

[JBC814]

The background noise is distracting, and diminishes your presentation. Ridiculous.

[Styxhexenhammer666]

@JBC814 Okie dokie then.

You do understand some of us have to help our families watch the elderly during the day on weekends, and the elderly can't hear well and turn the TV up to 100?