Judge: Obama's health overhaul unconstitutional

[generalwise]

what a joke. non socialized health care is from the dark ages and completely oppressive of the middle class

[YouTheory]

F**k This Law! That's UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Its Communist implementation! WHAT HAPPEN TO FREEDOM OF CHOICE????? THE Supreme court needs to defend Freedom and not FASCISM! Corporation Join with Federal Government, Insurance sleeping with the politicians! They just care about taking your money and not your liberty rights and freedom. If you love freedom email the white house and your congressmen to tell them you support freedom and not dictatorship!

[possumverde]

0:49 apparently however it's perfectly legal for a state government to force the purchase of insurance under penalty of fine...just read Tennessee's law requiring the purchase of car insurance under penalty of fine and possible loss of license...it's been on the books for years now and has yet to be ruled unconstitutional...

[2010GOP]

@possumverde: You couldn't be any more stupid if you tried.

a) Read the Constitution, idiot. Pay attention to the 10th Amendment regarding state / federal laws.

b) LOL!! No one forces you to drive or buy a car!!

You are a prime example of our failed education system. Quite sad.

[cronous81]

@possumverde

Umm...your comment reflects your ignorance. The Constitution limits the power of Federal Government to certain enumerated powers it does not limit the power of individual states in this way. Had the State of Tennessee passed a bill mandating you buy health insurance it would be legal. However it is not legal for the federal govt to do this.

[possumverde]

@cronous81 Oh I'm well aware of the difference between the federal govt and state govt...I did grow up in the south after all..I'm just saying that it's a bit amusing that if a state forces people to purchase a product it's perfectly fine, but the federal govt tries the same thing to fix a a problem and all hell breaks loose...Personally I don't agree with either law but i understand the need for both. I'm curious to see what would happen if a state adopted aspects of "Obamacare" on their own...

[possumverde]

@possumverde Sometimes common sense gets lost in the mix when it comes to constitutional law...

[cronous81]

@possumverde

Frankly there many provisions of the Constitution that people disagree with. For example Republicans hate the 14th amendment for allowing anchor babies to gain citizenship. However, that has little relevance when it comes to the rule of law. The restrictions of the Federal Govt's action came out because the founders thought that an overly strong federal govt would create tyranny. They believed that smaller administrative units such as the states should retain some power.

[esj8341]

@cronous81

Add.

The Republicans are the ones who fought for the passage of the 14th Amendment. Modern day Republicans so not hate the 14th Amendment but seek to obtain what they believe is a more accurate interpretation of the Amendment based on legislative intent.

[savannah505]

I had to paste this in from an email, so you have to start from my first posting and read from bottom up. Sorry but they just don't give enough room for all that this judge said and exposed. Nancy Pelosi said that we have to pass this to know whats in it !! Well Nancy, now we know, so screw you bitch, when you self serving ass holes start having to have the same health care we all deal with, then you'll change your mind about Obummer health care.

[daven58100]

@savannah505 Wow. Thanks for the info.  No one seems to know what's in the bill ( i know i don't). That's some scary stuff in their. Don't know why republicans are sitting on their asses and not letting citizens know all this. If they did, I think it would be doomed. This president is the biggest threat to this country's security ever. He's more dangerous than the Islamic radicals. He needs to be removed.

[savannah505]

sound for their future." Honorable David Kithil Marble Falls, Texas

All of the above should give you the point blank ammo you need to support your opposition to Obamacare. Please send this information on to all of your email contacts and email your elected representatives- tell them to support repeal of this ridiculous bill

[savannah505]

** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on: "Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially

[savannah505]

and the government will set all doctors' fees. ** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospitals will ration care according to the patient's age.

** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception. ** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)

[savannah505]

fund transfers from those accounts. ** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN). ** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?) ** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty,

[savannah505]

THIS IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL. Judge Kithil of Marble Falls , TX - HB3200 highlighted pages most egregious. Please read this..... especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally. ** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic

[daven58100]

Since the ruling Obama and his gang of thugs are still trying to push this shit. Republicans need to start pushing to have his sorry ass impeached, just like the Dems did to Nixon for a lot less.

[bootylicification]

Obamacare was signed on March 2010 with 59% of the people disapproving according to a CNN poll. The CBO scored Obamacare on six years of coverage for 10 years of taxes, which is how the CBO showed the bill to be deficit neutral . It’s unconstitutional mandating all citizens to purchase health care.  Even Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To It’s also meant to take over industry watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

Allen West 2012

[williejenkins666]

@WEREFEAT Are you trying to be a libtard troll or are you a truther? What if your angle?

If you are a trying to be a libtard troll - mission accomplished. You are nearly indistinguishable from a standard libtard.

[williejenkins666]

@WEREFEAT So are you a nutty truther as well?

[williejenkins666]

@WEREFEAT You are just a standard douchebag wannabe marxist. You are incompetent and an embarrassment to your libtard pals....not unlike the blowhard drunk clown Ed Schultz.

[williejenkins666]

@WEREFEAT You are trying to spew Marxist rhetoric but you only come out looking even more stupid.

[Avalanche1530]

just 1 more way of taking away Americans rights

[nwestwind]

Freakin sweet!

[williejenkins666]

@WEREFEAT You are not afforded fucking free health care for being born. You are an arrogant prick for believing so.

You are a member of the entitlement generation and a fucking mooch on society.

You equating free markets to Marxism is hilarious and just shows how stupid and ignorant you are to others. But I already knew that, so don't feel bad.

[btrask3]

da... just about all regulations imposed by the government are unconstitutional.

[williejenkins666]

@WEREFEAT The largest companies wrote it because it will CRUSH their competition.

Liberals HATE free markets and thinking of hundreds or thousands of companies infuriates them. They want only 2-3 heavily regulated massive companies and they support legislation that allows this to happen.

When those 2-3 "fail", the government can step in and take over and the appointments of political pals begins.

[perezr14]

WAIT!!!!, So, being forced to BUY car insureance is un constitutional too, right? :/

[williejenkins666]

@perezr14 Hey, dummy, you aren't being forced to buy car insurance simply for being alive in the USA.

You are a fucking dummy to buy into that lame argument. Peddle that crap elsewhere, cocksucker.

[perezr14]

@williejenkins666,it is not worth to waste my time responding to what you just wrote to me. Anyways, I was joking about that. Fuck off crying bitch.

[williejenkins666]

@perezr14 I don't want you to respond to me. I know I can't change the mind of a douchebag libtard who would suck Obama's cock on a simple request.

So please, just go fuck off with your bullshit.

[dlucas90]

@perezr14 Personally, I THINK insurance is a fraudulent, parasitic "industusty" that does nothing but destroy free market forces so that A-holes can charge a group of people rather than charging the individual that needs the good or service. Insurance is glorified non-sense that only aids in spreading out costs while claiming to spread out risk.

Insurance = socialisim

Only insurance could cause a $5 bumper to be sold for $500, but who cares, insurance will cover it, right?

[perezr14]

@dlucas90 Thanks for the sharing ur opinion.

[williejenkins666]

@dlucas90 You are wrong and you know little about "insurance". It is GAMBLING not socialism.

Also insurance costing MORE is actually subsidizing the poor who utilize health care and do not pay for it, so the doctors and hospitals gotta get their money somewhere.

The government has regulated the health care industry and they've responded accordingly (to keep money in their pockets).

[dlucas90]

@williejenkins666

I suppose in a way you are correct, insurance is gambling, you give your money to a company who then gambles it away as THEY see fit. Plus, you get to pay the gamblers for having conducted their "service" of gambling your money for you.

Claiming that insurance is required to pay for the poor is claiming that insurance is a form of forced charity or tax.

I can't make sense of your third point as it is too vague and I'm not sure which "they've" you are referring to

[fuzzywuzy]

In all fairness, this legislation dubbed "Obamacare" by right wing exteremists, was not President Obama's bill... It was Max Bauchus' bill - bought and paid for by the insurance lobby. While I am glad to see that the law and 26 States are shooting it down. We still need necessary reforms to get insurance out of the picture and frivalous lawsuits out of the picture. 36 billion would put every doctor in America on public payroll at 1/20th the cost we pay now.

[4444est1]

The U.S. spent $ 2.3 Trillion in 2008 on health care. That's more than any other country in the world. Yet, we are ranked 37th in the healthest countries. Our constant shoveling of money into the pockets of corporate "Care" providers will only bankrupt us and leave us with a defective product. The American people need to stand up to this theft of our nation!

[justaquicklook]

@4444est1

Now we have Bamacare brought to us by mindless drones chanting "corporate greed" without one ounce of proof. I don't know why Obots don't research data for themselves, always needing to be told what to think.

444est1, if you think being ranked 37th is bad just wait, in a few years from now you and those that defended Obama and his destruction of US Healthcare will get what you deserve, very very long lines in the ER only to be seen by a sub par doctor..enjoy!

[4444est1]

@justaquicklook I don't know what you are talking about. I don't defend Obama's Health Care bill.

[19jackson64]

@4444est1 Apples and oranges when discussing the US expenditures on health care and our ranking of healthiest people. It is an amazing credit to our health care workers and system that we are not dead last when you consider: US consumption of drugs and alcohol , US consumption of fast-food and pre-processed foods, the US couch potatos and morbid obesity rates, leading consumers of tobacco products --many of which are longtime users now with cancer and pulmonary diseases in their 50's and 60's..

[dlucas90]

@19jackson64 This may come as a "shocker" to you, but no one gets out of this world alive. People who don't take care of themselves, die prematurely but it doesn't matter, financially speaking. If you die today or tommorow it should cost the same.

[19jackson64]

@4444est1 Apples and oranges when discussing the US expenditures on health care and our ranking of healthiest people. It is an amazing credit to our health care workers and system that we are not dead last when you consider: US consumption of drugs and alcohol , US consumption of fast-food and pre-processed foods, the US couch potatos and morbid obesity rates, leading consumers of tobacco products -. The fact is, Americans live unhealthy and the costs are gonna reflect it- We reap what we sow.

[4444est1]

@19jackson64 Yes, this is true.

[williejenkins666]

@19jackson64 Don't forget the USA is also higher in traffic fatalities that have nothing to do with the health care system AND gang and gun violence that other countries simply do not have.

[justaquicklook]

This sad attempt to reform a broken healthcare system by integrating left wing corruption and fraud makes the UN Food For Oil program look like a church fundraiser.

Bamacare cannot fundamentally succeed without the sacrificing the quality of the America dream, or what remains of it. Having a leadership claiming government welfare is "best bang for buck" is what liberals are all about, just wait until they dismantle the rest of the medical field.

Mexico ER rooms here we come!

[ladylordess]

Florida, along with 25 other states are leading the way!! THANK YOU, and the future thanks you!

[travel1949]

ALL of the 26 states should hold the government in contempt if they do not comply with the judges' ruling on obamacare

[capleton48]

haaaaaaaaaaaaaa Barry take your NAZI law and go away

[AryanBlade]

Good! The republicans are doing exactly what we've asked them to do...repealing ObamaCare and making damn sure that Barry Soetoro is a one term President. The writting is all over the wall...he won't recover from this fall!

I'm starting to see light at the end of the tunnel.

[quizerry]

I hope this mean Obamacare is dead. This means Judge Vinson or the Eleventh Circuit (or even the Supreme Court) may issue an emergency stay of this or any other part of the ruling, but as of right now, the federal government must stop implementing Obamacare.

[justaquicklook]

See, the left wing loons one night went into a back room with a few of their closest goons and came out with this monstrous bill Captain Obumble hailed a 'victory' yet these same left wing loons haven't figure out you can't just make stupid shit up and press it upon people without serious blow back.

The vile left and their hatred for America will be the downfall of them, what we are witnessing is the last few gasps from the violent, subhuman members residing in that ideology.

[ocerg1111]

Right wing activist judge. neato. I hope everyone who have been paying their insurance premiums but lose coverage anyway because of a PEC come to this judge and the republican party for healthcare after its repealed.

[dlucas90]

@ocerg1111 Don't worry, there are still plenty of leftists in the Republican party to ensure that socialistic insurance companies still go on raping the general population. Afterall, govt. issued insurance and "private" insurance are still just socialistic programs where everyone pools their money to pay for everyone elses bills, which means the people settting the prices in the medical industry can continue raising prices with out fear of free market forces.

[quizerry]

@dlucas90 How can America's health care system be socialized? Because it doesn't matter weather dollars and the hospitals are owned publicly or privately. What matters is who controls how they are used.

our government encourages unlimited health care spending, which causes enormous waste. Its estimated that Medicare purchases $70 billion in useless services every year. It also may explain why we spend 50% more on medical care than other advanced nations. Waste in medicare/medicare is huge

[dlucas90]

@quizerry "Our govt. encourages unlimited health care spending, which causes enormous waste"........ I couldn't agree more, and the reason it does is because it allows the health care provider to set prices acccording to what a "pool" of money can afford, rather than what an individual would be able to afford. Private insurance does the exact same thing, pools money to pay for everyone elses bills, which allows health care providers to set prices according to what a "pool" of money can afford.

[quizerry]

@ocerg1111 Would you rather the government deny you care? The London Telegraph is reporting that the doctors believe “smokers, heavy drinkers, the obese and the elderly should be barred from receiving certain kind of care. NICE proposed that the National Health Service use age as a measurement of a patient’s worthiness for treatment.The UK HC system is broke they are now trying to get some free market ideas to cut cost. France 92% have a supplemental free market plan to help cut cost.

[williejenkins666]

@quizerry When a heat wave hits France, hundreds of people die because they are absolutely dependent on the government and incapable of caring for themselves.

New Orleans also showed what happens in our own land when people rely on the government for their safety.

The government cannot provide shit when people need it the most. It has proven this over and over and yet liberals refuse to understand this.

[Toddinfantry]

@ocerg1111 Hey dipshit....AFTER "Obamacare" went into effect my premiums for ins went UP 38%. Can't pay for my employees anymore. And what is this crap with 1099s in healthcare. Why don't you have a great big hot cup of coffee and WAKE UP! It has nothing to do with Dem or Rep or liberal or conservative...it is the gov't that wants total control at the nudgings of big business.

[williejenkins666]

@Toddinfantry Liberals are jackasses. Anyone with a brain knows the goal of Obamacare is to push costs onto insurance companies until people simply cannot pay for it anymore and demand the government do something about it... and that's when they step in and take over the whole system.

They just need to whittle down all the insurance companies only to a few which are easier to take over.

[Toddinfantry]

@williejenkins666 I have read your posts Willie and find you got your head screwed on straight, thanks. I will disagree though that liberals are jackasses. I find jackasses on both side of issues. That said, liberals are the type of ppl that want the "easy" way. Liberalism is the easy route, let the gov't decide all things for you and just drone along. We have been giving entitlements to these ppl for so long, it is becoming a way of life for many and turning that mindset around is not easy.

[williejenkins666]

@Toddinfantry Oh, you are right. There are jackasses on both sides.

Over the years I have changed my opinion on politics. I've evolved.

At first, I was generally ignorant. I lived in blissful ignorance about most political issues. Then somehow I changed and started getting more involved. I knew I couldn't stand liberals, but didn't know why because I lived my life as one basically. Then I realized that they are phony and want the government to mandate everything I did for myself.

[Toddinfantry]

@williejenkins666 Same same here. Evolved, great way to say it. Ha, if Darwin could see me now.

I grow very weary of the gimme crowd that actually believes that the gov't will take good care of them. The gov't can't do much right, they've gotten way to big and are now getting way out of control. Read the first four pages of The History of the Gestapo and you will see the way it is done. Four pages really opened my eyes.

[williejenkins666]

@Toddinfantry I'll read that. Thanks for the advice.

[williejenkins666]

@Toddinfantry

So anyway, I have no ideal candidate. If I did, I'd have someone who would be in line with libertarians on the social area, a bit "republican"/conservative in the military area with a LITTLE bit of common sense libertarianism thrown in on NOT getting involved where we shouldn't, and fiscally conservative/libertarian as well. End the welfare state, and I don't mind illegal immigrants that much. Don't end it? Send them all back.

[Toddinfantry]

@williejenkins666 I just want some damn ppl that still believe in what and who We the People really are, and these ppl to want to serve our country. A Congress that meets twice a year and TERM LIMITS. As a former Marine, I am torn apart by what I see, and what will be left to my two kids. Common sense....humph...you couldn't find a drop in Washington (or in the rest of the country..case in point WEREFEAT). Sooner or later the pressure cooker is gonna blow its top.

[quizerry]

@ocerg1111 Truth is we already have socialized medicine which is why cost are so high. Gov. already sets the prices for 1/2 the HC system directly and the other 1/2 indirectly. They control production and consumption by determining the number of physicians; what services medical pros can offer and under what terms; where they can practice; who can open a hospital or purchase a MRI, who can market a drug or device and what kind of insurance you must purchase etc.. they are the problem.

[esteuardo]

Great Victory :)..  I can't wait to pay all the medical bills people don't pay themselves :D This is awesome, REPEAL IT!!

[VictoryCough]

At this point, a law being unconstitutional means nothing. The Commerce Clause has become a catch all for anything congress wants to do. I'm glad to see there is token effort to obey the constitution, but lets appeal everything that passed under the Bush Admin for starters.