I think the signal for ARCH should be changed... the thumbs down signal i think induces the student to get nervous... like: "you're fucking it up son"... i also think that when possible, tunnel time should be included as a first step in skydiving... it's just asking for trouble to leave an aircraft with a student that has no idea how to fucking ARCH...
seemed like the instructor sketched out and pulled for the student early without getting him stable or checking his airspace and as result almost deployed into the other instructor. very sketchy stuff errr maybe a newbie AFF instructor?. notice the pilot chute also gets deployed on the wrong side of the students body. total goat fuck. i want that instructor to take my ex wife on a skydive.
The lack of arch was caused by weak legs (floppy, and knees bent too much). The first thing the guy needed was legs out. For many people, it's very hard or impossible to arch with bent knees.
Why did that instructor pull that student out, without stabilizing fist???? Skill level??? Panic??? Hello!!!! RW suit???? Hello!!!! WTF!!! Some people should not be instructors... just danger others!!!!
AFF level 1s... Stop the insanity!! Have 'em do a few tandems, first. That jump went exactly to plan. It went to sh*t, just like level ones usually do. They're a controlled car crash, at best.
@neomuttley Level ones aren't bad where I did mine. there should just be mandatory tunnel time first. and the skydiver should be mentally prepared to follow instructions
I did three teaching tandems to start. Most of these AFF 1s seem to go to sh*t. IMHO, the tandems are better. I think you learn more during those three.
I don't know if you are an instructor of any kind or not, but for your information; Tandems only make things worse. When someone does a bunch of tandems, all they do is build bad habits, that the tandem instructor can't notice, and when the person goes to do AFF... this happens, and takes for ever to get them out of those bad habits, or sometimes like this student, you wont be able to do it. One tandem at the most is the best way to do it....
I'm no instructor. I am licensed, though not a C, yet. A number of DZs around the country use a few training tandems prior to their AFF courses. I normally like to do everything for myself. Especially if it's being responsible for my life & limb. I must say, though. I didn't mind having someone right there on my shoulder to show me some of the nuances (as well as basics) of canopy survival. I knew I'd pull. Beyond that, there's a lot of ways to get hurt.
my aff sequence went pretty much uneventful. one of the lucky ones who was a natural from jump 1. it is funny seeing others who just can not fly!! lol
@Bisnarty The truth is out there!!!.....Only known to these secretive AFF instructors seeking to trick you tube viewers for kicks. We are through the looking glass here people, all is not what it seems.
Wow. As an experienced skydiver, I see this video and knew that it was a close call, but seeing the stills at the end - that was a VERY close call. The scenario I immediately imagined is the instructor's hand getting caught in the lines and being ripped off. Not an accident report that any of us want to ever have to read again. Glad they made it out alright.
The student was performing a fairly typical level one. The secondary instructor should have never let go. Letting go was the incorrect action. The reserve side instructor should have quit giving signals, held him in place, and let the main side do their job. No disrespect intended, but in this case, the instructor caused the issue.
I've seen something similar to this(believe or not) before where the primary ended up having to do an upside-down rodeo on the out of control student in order to deploy.
You know what? Shit happens and sometimes you just can't avoid being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Remember one of the first things you learn as a student jumper? "Never sacrifice altitude for stability." The instructor did what he/she had to do. End of story.
at 0:22 the instructor gave the student the signal for 'arch' but... lol... i did not registered.
i remember my 1st AFF jump lol. shitty as hell.
in my opinion skydiving is the most fun during the first 25 jumps toward your A license because that's where you do most of your fuck-ups and tried to play it off at briefing time on the ground :)))
Holy...LUCKY MOTHER EFFER!!!! Like zymurdoo says...save the commentary and just appreciate it for what it is...a day in the life of an AFF instructor. Blue Skies.
in most of these aff1 the two instructors are holding the student entire time until deployment, but it looks here as if that didnt happen, was that the cause of the spin out or what ? id appreciate some insight cause i dont know anything about this stuff thank you
wuffo -A person who is not a skydiver and can't understand why some people skydive. Said to come from the phrase "what for you jump out of that airplane?"
he still tries to do his three practice touches as he is falling and spinning 0:36 haha. for all the people out there its harder than it looks...but not as hard as this guy makes it look =]
@HeyItzaMeMario "there are two kinds of people: those who jump out of the planes and those who wonder what possesses them to jump out of planes. The latter are called "Wuffos", i.e. "Wuffo (what for) you jump out of a perfectly good airplane?"
@zymurdoo Im not sure if you are aware of yourself but that made NO sense,,, ZERO sense, btw I am a skydiver and not some hater but that doesnt make any sense nor have i heard of it until now. try reading your comment again and you will see what i mean
@HeyItzaMeMario i was compelled to google "wuffos"... and turns out that guy did the same thing.. clicked on the link i clicked on.. and copied and pasted it directly from wikitionary.. what a scrub.
some people shouldnt skydive. im pretty sure that guy sat through a course of at least 4 hours where the instructor drilled him on how to arch...not ddrop his knees. what a dumbass
then the training that you went through wasnt AFF now was it. this guy was going through level 1 where he did get training unless they really arent doing their job
wtf? he dont arch well and hes kickin with his legs lol im at level 4 now and my instructors alway wait for me to open (@ 5000 ft) tjhen they open so they never get below me.. very nice vid!
Interesting to read various comments.. In reply to hristosky: You are correct that the secondary (or anyone else) should fly directly over the student. As the secondary on the jump do you think i thought otherwise?? the "large" student once unstable was not only falling with increasing speed, enough for me to have to swoop to stay with them, but also was moving very rapidly on the horizontal. My job was wait and anticipate the rollover to be there, the primary dumped him as it slid underneath me
@infiniteskydiving, i just saw this video and to my surprise i found out that i've not only seen it before, but even have commented on it two years ago. Damn, i must be getting old!
Even more - i do not agree with my own comment, hah! :o)
Second AFFI seems to have let go for the video. I hope it wasn't really level 1. Then after it goes to shit he gets above the student's deploying main. IMHO the second AFFI needs to decide whether he wants to be an AFFI or a cameraman on level 1 jumps. Pick one, not both.
In my opinion, secondary instructor had no place right on top of student, side approach is always better. Primary instructor could've tried to turn the student on belly a few seconds more, instead of opening his chute while student is back-flying.
I think the signal for ARCH should be changed... the thumbs down signal i think induces the student to get nervous... like: "you're fucking it up son"... i also think that when possible, tunnel time should be included as a first step in skydiving... it's just asking for trouble to leave an aircraft with a student that has no idea how to fucking ARCH...
captainpiccard 3 days ago
seemed like the instructor sketched out and pulled for the student early without getting him stable or checking his airspace and as result almost deployed into the other instructor. very sketchy stuff errr maybe a newbie AFF instructor?. notice the pilot chute also gets deployed on the wrong side of the students body. total goat fuck. i want that instructor to take my ex wife on a skydive.
TheDeerSlayer1973 2 weeks ago
The lack of arch was caused by weak legs (floppy, and knees bent too much). The first thing the guy needed was legs out. For many people, it's very hard or impossible to arch with bent knees.
Oh, and never, ever, get above a student.
titaniumlegs 2 weeks ago
que hermoso salto todo se puede en el nombre del señor jesus
fredy32581 3 weeks ago
@fredy32581 jesus aqui no pinta una mierda. que le den a jesus, y confiemos en la habilidad de las personas y la tecnologia que usan.
guille8001500 1 week ago
Why did that instructor pull that student out, without stabilizing fist???? Skill level??? Panic??? Hello!!!! RW suit???? Hello!!!! WTF!!! Some people should not be instructors... just danger others!!!!
PetairB 3 weeks ago
i'm sorry but I couldn't help but burst out laughing at how utterly helpless he looked
phreakyeggz 1 month ago
AFF level 1s... Stop the insanity!! Have 'em do a few tandems, first. That jump went exactly to plan. It went to sh*t, just like level ones usually do. They're a controlled car crash, at best.
neomuttley 2 months ago
@neomuttley Hey my lvl 1 wasn't bad at all. I didn't mess around with tandems. A little squirely on exit but good overall.
MaHoNeY760 1 month ago
@MaHoNeY760,
Glad it went well for you. A whole lot of 'em don't. My first three jumps were tandems. I learned a good deal from them before doing it myself.
neomuttley 1 month ago
@neomuttley lol "glad it went well for you?" what skydive did you watch. yukyukyuk.
TheDeerSlayer1973 2 weeks ago
@neomuttley Level ones aren't bad where I did mine. there should just be mandatory tunnel time first. and the skydiver should be mentally prepared to follow instructions
lucaschristenson 3 weeks ago
@lucaschristenson,
I did three teaching tandems to start. Most of these AFF 1s seem to go to sh*t. IMHO, the tandems are better. I think you learn more during those three.
neomuttley 3 weeks ago
@neom
I don't know if you are an instructor of any kind or not, but for your information; Tandems only make things worse. When someone does a bunch of tandems, all they do is build bad habits, that the tandem instructor can't notice, and when the person goes to do AFF... this happens, and takes for ever to get them out of those bad habits, or sometimes like this student, you wont be able to do it. One tandem at the most is the best way to do it....
PetairB 3 weeks ago
@PetairB,
I'm no instructor. I am licensed, though not a C, yet. A number of DZs around the country use a few training tandems prior to their AFF courses. I normally like to do everything for myself. Especially if it's being responsible for my life & limb. I must say, though. I didn't mind having someone right there on my shoulder to show me some of the nuances (as well as basics) of canopy survival. I knew I'd pull. Beyond that, there's a lot of ways to get hurt.
neomuttley 3 weeks ago
Probably saved that student's life. AAD doesn't always do it.
ainulindale1227 2 months ago
what part of the students canopy hit the instructor? was it only the pilot chute?
SamuelKroell11 3 months ago
@SamuelKroell11 just the pod
zeroedodici 3 months ago
@SamuelKroell11 looked like the D-Bag got him
lucaschristenson 3 weeks ago
Looks like the student tried to pull at 0:36
carabela125 4 months ago
@carabela125
he have to do this lol ;D you do this 3 times or like something ;)
ocrim16 3 months ago
Fucking ARCH!!!!!
jasongrim 4 months ago 12
pelvis down bro
ripoakley 5 months ago
AFF Istructor waring RW SUIT ....!? .....WTF
No iT IS Not A DRAMA ! Its a **ing Tragic COMEDY !!!
vadimuskoro 6 months ago
@vadimuskoro
Well said bro, I agree!!!! These guys suck!
PetairB 3 weeks ago
I can't see any drama, sorry...
ShirtyDogg 6 months ago
my aff sequence went pretty much uneventful. one of the lucky ones who was a natural from jump 1. it is funny seeing others who just can not fly!! lol
midairflyer 6 months ago
Every one is wise behind the computer....
inuyaxxa 7 months ago
LOL@ 1:21
avidfcp7 7 months ago
How do we know this isn't a training video?
Bisnarty 7 months ago
@Bisnarty The truth is out there!!!.....Only known to these secretive AFF instructors seeking to trick you tube viewers for kicks. We are through the looking glass here people, all is not what it seems.
ThePimpdaddy187 7 months ago
Wow. Need a third person to film him. That was sketchy!
GGAllin33 9 months ago
that could have been ugly
Cricket202 9 months ago
see, this is why we can't have nice things, this is also why i'm petrified of ever becoming an AFF instructor
specialkaye87 9 months ago
after sunset in days like that beer taste great
PanSmok 9 months ago
Wow. As an experienced skydiver, I see this video and knew that it was a close call, but seeing the stills at the end - that was a VERY close call. The scenario I immediately imagined is the instructor's hand getting caught in the lines and being ripped off. Not an accident report that any of us want to ever have to read again. Glad they made it out alright.
chrislgrooms 10 months ago
0:37 he goes for the dummy pull at a bad moment and it seems to flip him over on his back.
creativebollocks 1 year ago
The student was performing a fairly typical level one. The secondary instructor should have never let go. Letting go was the incorrect action. The reserve side instructor should have quit giving signals, held him in place, and let the main side do their job. No disrespect intended, but in this case, the instructor caused the issue.
hookitt 1 year ago 5
Thnaks for posting - great learning material - and some great comments are already posted here!
TonyWyrostek 1 year ago
Man that's just wild. Glad you didn't lose your thumb !
jrrm3 1 year ago
I've seen something similar to this(believe or not) before where the primary ended up having to do an upside-down rodeo on the out of control student in order to deploy.
You know what? Shit happens and sometimes you just can't avoid being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Remember one of the first things you learn as a student jumper? "Never sacrifice altitude for stability." The instructor did what he/she had to do. End of story.
Lytwyl 1 year ago
Those pictures of the lines runing 'through' your fingers and around the student's arms are scary scay. Glad it ll ended well.
PCBlueSky 1 year ago
Needs to have extra drill on the importance of the look up, arch when exiting the plane. That aint funny.
bendales1982 1 year ago
the shot at 1:17 may be the scariest pic I've seen jumping! Holy Crap!! Glad everyone made it OK! Blue Skies..
WelcomeToMyDream 1 year ago
Wow that was a little too close to a double fatality. That student really blew it.
braden252 1 year ago
He did check in, check out, then jumped, no up/down.
Looks like he didnt notice arch but was giving primary the alti reading. The secondary gets wacked in the head, so breaks away.
He then does a practice pull, without both instructors, loses the arch, which causes the spin.
The camera man attempts to rejoin after the spin stops, but doesnt quite make it when the canopy is opened.
kybert99 1 year ago
at 0:22 the instructor gave the student the signal for 'arch' but... lol... i did not registered.
i remember my 1st AFF jump lol. shitty as hell.
in my opinion skydiving is the most fun during the first 25 jumps toward your A license because that's where you do most of your fuck-ups and tried to play it off at briefing time on the ground :)))
nipzilla 1 year ago
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I have to give it to the student.......he's still trying to hold that arch...on his BACK....HAHAHAHAHA
freeflyva 1 year ago
I have to give it to the student........he's still trying to hold that arch on his back....HAHAHAHAHA
freeflyva 1 year ago
Holy...LUCKY MOTHER EFFER!!!! Like zymurdoo says...save the commentary and just appreciate it for what it is...a day in the life of an AFF instructor. Blue Skies.
baddkarma04 1 year ago
in most of these aff1 the two instructors are holding the student entire time until deployment, but it looks here as if that didnt happen, was that the cause of the spin out or what ? id appreciate some insight cause i dont know anything about this stuff thank you
kos22us 1 year ago
yep, thats really gotta be the closest look at someone else's lines in freefall you ever wanna see !
fluberry7 1 year ago
what's a wuffo? sounds like a cereal. (inevitably someone is going to say "you're a wuffo!")
sweatykev01 1 year ago
@sweatykev01
wuffo -A person who is not a skydiver and can't understand why some people skydive. Said to come from the phrase "what for you jump out of that airplane?"
AdeptusMechan1cus 1 year ago
@AdeptusMechan1cus thanks!!
sweatykev01 1 year ago
WHo or what is blue skies?
besiktasli30 2 years ago
blue skies .....means blue skies and is a greeting among skydivers
blackred474 2 years ago
ostroooo!!!
Vainamoinen83 2 years ago
he still tries to do his three practice touches as he is falling and spinning 0:36 haha. for all the people out there its harder than it looks...but not as hard as this guy makes it look =]
tbone3939 2 years ago
this one is lucky he didnt horseshoe
postaldudengm1 2 years ago
Thanks for posting. Great learning material. Too bad most of the comments here are from wuffos.
Blue Skies.
zymurdoo 2 years ago 40
@zymurdoo whats wuffos? is it like noob but for skydiving?
HeyItzaMeMario 1 year ago
@HeyItzaMeMario "there are two kinds of people: those who jump out of the planes and those who wonder what possesses them to jump out of planes. The latter are called "Wuffos", i.e. "Wuffo (what for) you jump out of a perfectly good airplane?"
zymurdoo 1 year ago
@zymurdoo Im not sure if you are aware of yourself but that made NO sense,,, ZERO sense, btw I am a skydiver and not some hater but that doesnt make any sense nor have i heard of it until now. try reading your comment again and you will see what i mean
HeyItzaMeMario 1 year ago
@HeyItzaMeMario i was compelled to google "wuffos"... and turns out that guy did the same thing.. clicked on the link i clicked on.. and copied and pasted it directly from wikitionary.. what a scrub.
MrSEEbeeARE 9 months ago
@HeyItzaMeMario no im sorry not wikitionary... this website... hahaha vanity-plates(dot)com/what/whatW29.htm
MrSEEbeeARE 9 months ago
@zymurdoo three types the third is the person who flies the airplane instead. I myself am the 3rd type.
sleadman1 10 months ago
to fat for skydiving ^^
drumatic86 2 years ago
TUG
mountainrn 2 years ago
some people shouldnt skydive. im pretty sure that guy sat through a course of at least 4 hours where the instructor drilled him on how to arch...not ddrop his knees. what a dumbass
jbrinkman86 2 years ago
Of the 2 dropzones I've been to, none of the instructors properly trained me
magicalhearingman 2 years ago
then the training that you went through wasnt AFF now was it. this guy was going through level 1 where he did get training unless they really arent doing their job
jbrinkman86 2 years ago
why do you say that?
camgon 2 years ago
ups... lucky guy second instructor
l0lkie 2 years ago
hahahah holy shit, that was dicey
It looked likes the student, not the primary instructor, activates at 0:37. Did the primary give the pull sign?
lokigoesrawr 2 years ago
That was almost really bad.Forget a line over! What do you do when your instructor is tangled up in your main.
AFF level I reserve ride I guess.
I guess you should get the real bad shit out of the way early. LOL.
Thank God it wasn't worse.
heywatchthis99 2 years ago
fucking shit holly cow
guyman20 2 years ago
all instructor around world have balls for put there life in hands of fake like this guys
RESPECT FOR ALL nice jumps brothers
cyberlool 2 years ago 2
Did you pass???
craze13b 2 years ago
Advancement criteria for Cat A is reasonable freefall stability and pull (w/ or w/o assist) within 1000ft of planned altitude.
...so no :)
camgon 2 years ago
Holy fucking shit indeed!!!!!!! God I love this sport. Each day a gift.
branscombesurf 2 years ago
HOLY FUCKING SHIT DUDE !!! :-/
eliasgerris 2 years ago
Spaghetti hell!
davidenete 2 years ago 2
noch nie was vom briefing gehört?
normaler weise darf sowas nicht passieren... hoffentlich sind alle heil davon gekomm
dropzonesoest 2 years ago 2
baš bi kerful :D
BoskoUMS 2 years ago
How about some more GROUND training before you go up next time.
jasonwayne7 2 years ago 2
wtf? he dont arch well and hes kickin with his legs lol im at level 4 now and my instructors alway wait for me to open (@ 5000 ft) tjhen they open so they never get below me.. very nice vid!
WorldTaskForce 2 years ago
What band is this? like the riff....so if anyone can help???
Kukkuk3 2 years ago
Paul Weller - Blink and you'll miss it
paulzeee 2 years ago
Thanks alot, Paul....
Kukkuk3 2 years ago
everyone did their job except the student.....maybe should have compulsory tandems before AFF training like they do in new zealand
Catapultandclingfilm 3 years ago
Look at the fear on his face at 0:16. Theres the problem.
JetJockey87 3 years ago
what song is this?
mlehel 3 years ago
Interesting to read various comments.. In reply to hristosky: You are correct that the secondary (or anyone else) should fly directly over the student. As the secondary on the jump do you think i thought otherwise?? the "large" student once unstable was not only falling with increasing speed, enough for me to have to swoop to stay with them, but also was moving very rapidly on the horizontal. My job was wait and anticipate the rollover to be there, the primary dumped him as it slid underneath me
infiniteskydiving 3 years ago 2
@infiniteskydiving well done!! :) it couldv'e been a lot worse!
digitalkicks 1 year ago
@infiniteskydiving, i just saw this video and to my surprise i found out that i've not only seen it before, but even have commented on it two years ago. Damn, i must be getting old!
Even more - i do not agree with my own comment, hah! :o)
hristosky 8 months ago
@infiniteskydiving did he ever jump again?
barinit 6 months ago
Giftwrap.
ryandsucks 3 years ago
xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxxax
tornado600rr 3 years ago
Second AFFI seems to have let go for the video. I hope it wasn't really level 1. Then after it goes to shit he gets above the student's deploying main. IMHO the second AFFI needs to decide whether he wants to be an AFFI or a cameraman on level 1 jumps. Pick one, not both.
dorbie 3 years ago
Ha ha ha ha ha I love it!
irishmike1999 3 years ago
Such accident could lead to serious problems.
In my opinion, secondary instructor had no place right on top of student, side approach is always better. Primary instructor could've tried to turn the student on belly a few seconds more, instead of opening his chute while student is back-flying.
hristosky 3 years ago 10
That was funny.
UKmatt89 3 years ago
stupid fuck.could killed him self and the instructor as well...
111gil 3 years ago
Whoa. That was a close one. I hope everyone walked away alright. Those stills are priceless.
621glen 3 years ago