genau dieselben sittenbräuche wie in ostanatolien und bei den kurden! ja ja... selbstjustiz reinigt alle schanden und stellt die ehre wieder her... alles in einem ein wunderschöner film,dass mich bis in meine knochen berührt hat!.
These are Cretans and not proper Greeks. Trouble is a foreiner watching the movie with these pathetic primitive peasants will think that these are proper Greeks.
There are actresses who can speak with their eyes - Irene Papas, she was one of them; it looks so simple the way she makes the abstract real,excellent performance...masterly cinematography, the same as the book... a book that you want to read in one sitting ... “Problems? You don’t want any problems? LIFE IS PROBLEMS!”
This film is one of the greatest films ever made, it tells the story of life, love, loss, heartache, sadness, bitterness, greed, envy...... Irene Papas et al made art, she is beautiful and I am proud to be half Greek.
Antonio Rodolfo Quinn Oaxaca "Anthony Quinn " Born in Chihuahua Mexico during the Mexican Revolution ,His Mother Manuela "Nellie" Oaxaca was of AZTEC ancestry ,His Father Francisco Quinn of Irish -Mexican ancestry Born in Mexico ;rode with Pancho Villa .. Viva Anthony Quinn !!
Why were those sleazebags tormenting her by hiding her goat? To pay her back for not sleeping with them? And of course, if she HAD slept with them, they would have branded her a whore. Disgusting double standards!
One of the unparalleled best. Her physical beauty is off the Richter Scale and her ability to act beyond reproach.
I regret she was never cast in a truly upbeat, happy, delightful (not puff piece mind you) film, one that would accent her monumental physical beauty and equally bring out a happy countenance combined with her intelligence and strength.
Honestly, this was one realm that tragically no movie, no producer, no director ever blessed us with. She still stands alone, whew..........
As good as the movie is, the book is deep and beautiful. It goes in waves between the ethereal and the concrete, the Englishman and Zorba. And it's misogynistic! But it's a journey of the mind and the soul very much worth taking.
It is. Your stupidity is worse than my crying. Perhaps with a proper upbringing you will think twice before writing anything down. Not only did you try to make fun of a country's plight , strange coming from a Romanian but you tried to be wise in your answer to my comment. I need to refine your character.
Are you retarded? How could i have made fun of Grece simply saying that its economy is down at the moment ? The news says it, the papers says it. That means they're all stupid for doing it ? ...and of course I didn't try to be "wise" to your comment because I can prove you that I'm not stupid at all, so this is not education related ; you're just delusional .
Truly a great actress with all the classical Greek looks! Excellent in The Guns of Navarone, and she also portrayed a wonderful Catherine of Aragon in Anne of a Thousand Days. Loved Captain Corelli's Mandolin all around, as it showed the close bond and brotherliness between Greeks and Italians.
I just finnished the book. I was totally freaked at what happened to the widow. things start to get a lot darker after that. Kazantzakis was a fanfreakintastic writer. The last temptation is truly a marvelous piece of literature.
Irene Papas is one of the great actress I have ever watched. Thanks to her unbeliveable classical performance not only in Zorba The Greek, but in Captain Corelli's Mandolin too.
When she left the cafe with the goat and umbrella, she went the wrong way. . The goat came from around to the right on exiting the cafe, after having jumped a wall, and being grabbed by the man standing in the group at the cafe entrance. . May be she and the goat had decided not to go straight home; perhaps they went via the post office or some such thing. . The post office was straight ahead, the building down the hill on the corner near the junction. . cheers. from, del-boy.
yes, I totally agree with your last sentence! she was a revelation for me. She never looks helpless, but instead she is has that sort of tragic shade that reminds me of ancient Greek heroines
wow great clip from zorba ! Lassally should have gotten more than one Oscar for the cinematography.they dont make them like this anymore Anthony Quinn was great so was the woman !
It was interesting reading your comments about my compatriots and my country.. just to give you some more - basic I think- info.. Zorba the Greek is a novel written by the Greek author Nikos Kazantzakis, first published in 1946.. The book opens in a café in Pireus, just before dawn on a gusty autumn morning in the 1930s.. so I don't think that it makes much sense for you to comment on modern Greek xenophobia.. with this film as your basis..
Read the book! That's what I say.. its always better
There were comments made on the film ,naturally, but how is reality and the book so different from the film then concerning xenophobia, was the director really so far off in portraying these villagers? I doubt it , they seem like small town people the world over.
Indeed Irene Pappa looks very elegant in these clothes. What I understood from this movie is that its about the hypocricy and narrowmindedness of villages in Crete, I dont know whether I understood this correctly. ANd they kill Irene Papa cause she rejected all these men isnt it? do such things still happen in GReece? That women are blamed for everything?
When a woman is a widow she is supposed to not be with any other man (in old fashioned Greece and maybe not today though except maybe a small village) and this combined with the men that do want her, BUT CANT HAVE HER, has resulted in a kind of animosity and hatred of her by the villagers. When they find out that she was alone with the "xenos" this is when they enforce the "honor" of the culture. This is how I understand it anyway.
Ask any military historian about "operation merkur", which despite ending in victory for the nazi's, HORRIFIED Hitler because of the large casualty rate (made him FORBID any more island invasions), especially at that point of WW2. Hitler lost so many of his elite para's on Crete that it cost him dearly in his invasion of russia as well. Not to mention the loss off 250 Ju-25's and several high profile german commanders captured and killed by the Cretan gendarme. "Cowards"?, sorry wrong people.
Im not impugning the valor of the Cretan people,but these particular villagers in this movie who gang up on a defenceless widow and slit her throat,back down to an armed Zorba ,and later steal a dead French ladies property are not waltzing in the Elysian Fields with Hercules when they pass on.
yeah i know what you mean. she was desperate, lonely and had too much pride. she could have had them all and rejected submitting to anyone. she was too beautiful, too special for the village. she didn't want to belong. and the village took revenge on her.. the hate of a rejected lover is the greatest.. irene papa was wonderful in that film. no one could play the bitter proud beauty like she did..
Yes, she didnt deserve that humiliating death,the director conveys the villagers eerie vileness when we see those vulture hags block off her escape in the cemetary.Where was Bates or the priest?They should have been more discreet or married. Its a shame.
every region, or even every polis has its own moral codex. thats one thing, the other is, since christianity came up, the liberal notion of the ancient world was over. then the turks fall in for some hundreds of years.. nowadays, creta is still known for being one of the more restricted regions in greece. it's not like lesbos or mykonos, you know.. and they kind of have this thing, that they don't want to mix up with others. it's exceptional to marry one of them, even for a greek..
i mean, it's interesting to see for instance the personal gods they worshiped back in those days. kreta (herakleon) was worshipping hera, the wife of zeus and one to fear of. i mean even zeus feared her. or if you think of klytemnestra, who killed her husband for sacrificing their child and bringing a new trojan lover home. some could argue, that in zorbas the movie, the theme was not so much about oppressed womanhood (not that this wouldn't be also the case), but her 'interracial' betrayal..
who would have thought, the progressive Greeks racist! Suppose they were, because all others were 'barbarians',Alexander did try to overcome that(some said Macedonians were not Greeks)by encouraging unions with the Persians though. You uncovered something here to better understanding this film, their xenophobia.
yeah well, at least the cretans. we can't speak for all the greeks. and surely xenophobia is based on many things, like the educational level of a person, or negative experiences and so on.. but greeks to say at least something in that sense, hate for instance the turks or muslims in general. they have never forgiven them for the cultural abuse during that time. the turks have once build (just to mention the tip of the iceberg) a mosque in the middle of the acropolis during their occupation..
but to say something about the circumstances that play a role in every valuation of the situation of the people in a region.. the movie was filmed in 64.. lets say it's based probably on somehow a true story, maybe some years ago, lets say the 50ies.. the second world war wasn't that long ago, after that and before, were civil wars and wars with the turks, before that we had of course the first world war.. so i guess it wasn't an ideal time to be open minded or lets say 'xenophile' everywhere..
The Ottoman occupation was a disgrace.The artist,poets,intellectuals,scientists,and freedom lovers etc of the West should have launched a 'crusade' to help free Greece from the Turk, I believe there were some such efforts, Lord Byron took part in one,and died in Missolonghi.
they did.. the brits, french and the russian helped a great deal in the 19th century.. without them it couldn't have been possible. before, it wasn't the time for such a thing. you know, i mean in the 15th and 16th century, europe was too weak for the turks and in the 17th and 18th century, they were too busy with themselves. but in the end, they did.
what has ruined byzantine was the orthodox clerus. one third of the land belonged to them and they didn't pay any taxes, so byzantine wasn't able to pay it's mercenary army. so it hadn't any proper protection and on the other hand, the catholics were either way competitors to the orthodox, and had to deal with the new protestants..
in the end, what has ruined the ancient enlightened world, was monotheism, christianity and islam. the dark ages started way before the turks, the turks were just the crowning of it.. i always hated the orthodox church for that and all the previous acts, like closing down the academies and theaters, burning the ancient literature and killing the hellenistic soul.. these are the enemies. the enemies of enlightenment. these are our mullahs..
exactly, as it is often in life. there are two sorts of evil. there are the perpetrators and the ones who permit it. the lurkers. the real delinquents.. they are the ones who let all the evil happens. the ones who are really to blame and to hate.. the dangerously weak, the opportunists who play it save, who look away..
this was the village mentality... the one against the other. She was a widow - other men did not like her husband (I do not remember if he had died in some vedetta - always in fashion in Crete). So while other men would not do her harm, they would not lose a chance to be mean to her. Stupid village mentality.
Many Greek sirnames are actually turkish nick-names - most are related to professions. As this is an inheritance from the Ottoman Empire, in Greek language they have lost their meaning.
Zorbas was a Greek from Macedonia, not a Cretan. Syrtaki (based on hasaposerviko), rebetiko and other "laika" style of music are not Cretan but come mainly from a mix of music that Minor Asian refugess brought with them and local one - a mix mainly done in northern Greece where Zorba came from.
Yes indeed. I had such a crush on her! How I wished I was the Alan Bates character, as he gives her his umbrella! I have never seen such expressive eyes in anyone on stage!!
The character of the widow couldn't be performed by any other actress. Not with such a grateness. Furthermore, her astounding Beauty! She is just perfect.
The beautiful Irene says more with her eyes than most actors do with words. The only person who can make widow's clothes look regal and sexy- she's amazing.
Wasn't there a part where the villagers who liked the widow, stoned her.One of them dealt the last blow by slitting her throat.A very gruesome but important scene! She looked very beautiful in it,like a tiny lamb trying to escape the butcher's knife and the brute who desired her but whom she rejected is the one who struck the fatal blow but he went unpunished! By the time of his death, was Nikos Kazantzakis still excommunicated from the Greek Orthodox Church for "The Last Temptation of Christ?"
What was this lady's name. I saw this film as a child. I remember her spitting as she left, but I don't remember the love-sick guy giving her a umbrella. I loved Anthony Quinn in this role. He was magnificent, younger and sexier of course. Thanks EllinikKardia for the post. I haven't seen it in years.
@coralarch then you must look for her in you tube. If you like opera there are, sadly, few performances of her captured on film, but they are all remarkable.The ones where the voice fails too, as she was a great actress with a powerful scenic presence on top of it all. She has acted on a screen version of Medea by Pier Paolo Pasolini in the early seventies and it has been an astounding rendition of the character.
@coralarch Irrene acted on many of the ancient greek dramas. Probably she did Medea as well as it is one of the greatest characters ever, but I do not know if it is on film. I hope to see her one day on that role.
@lidiabonini Let me know if ever you find her on film as Media- I will be so grateful. Medea is a fantastic female role, one of the best ever written. I entirely sympathise with her, and understand why she kills her children.
@coralarch I am glad she has so many admirers! Think of all the expressionless plastic "beauties" of todays silver screen:
Yes I have seen "Z" when it was released many years ago. She has the personality to fill the screen with her presence. If you woudl like to see her in full Greek - classic - regalia, watch the "Odissea" an Italian production of the seventies in which she plays Penelope, Ulysses faithful wife. Nobody is more suitable for the role. And she speaks beautiful Italian too.
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tsp1129031 2 months ago
Whoa! Ninjagoat scaling the wall!
LeCutter 3 months ago
No make up required, Classic film,
and the the silance speaks for itself!
JimmyTheGreek2000 5 months ago
Mihalis Kakogiannis / Michael Cacoyannis (Μιχάλης Κακογιάννης) June 11, 1922 – July 25, 2011. Yiassou, levendi. Thank you.
vivg 6 months ago
was für eine wunderschöne frau die irene papas.
genau dieselben sittenbräuche wie in ostanatolien und bei den kurden! ja ja... selbstjustiz reinigt alle schanden und stellt die ehre wieder her... alles in einem ein wunderschöner film,dass mich bis in meine knochen berührt hat!.
azapderesi 6 months ago 4
Kakoyanni eisai A-R-I-S-T-O-S!!!!!!! I wish modern Greek film makers follow his style.
axaios007 8 months ago
I am an Diaspora Hellenic and i loved to watch Irene and Telly Savalas.
What i could not stand was seeing that Mexican, Anthony Quin, playing Greek roles.
i thank God we have so many great Greek (and proudly so that they are) actors like Marina Sertis, Mike Chicales, Marina Karakaradas, the list goes.
And let's not forget "My Big Fat Greek Wedding".
therohvac 8 months ago
What about the dark hairy guy who won the big brother contest with his Turkish accent ?
MrAugustus88 8 months ago
a greek godess!
mysticalangels1 9 months ago
One picture thousand words.
kostaras2 10 months ago
She is marvellous.
fourplusseven 1 year ago
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These are Cretans and not proper Greeks. Trouble is a foreiner watching the movie with these pathetic primitive peasants will think that these are proper Greeks.
MrAugustus88 1 year ago
@MrAugustus88
you are a proper idiot
saltadoros08 1 year ago
@MrAugustus88 They are more stable in their culture than you . I am Greek. not from crete.
tenorismo 11 months ago
@MrAugustus88 crete is greece!!!!we are all greeks!!!!
taxos7 8 months ago
There are actresses who can speak with their eyes - Irene Papas, she was one of them; it looks so simple the way she makes the abstract real,excellent performance...masterly cinematography, the same as the book... a book that you want to read in one sitting ... “Problems? You don’t want any problems? LIFE IS PROBLEMS!”
loredananto 1 year ago 3
This film is one of the greatest films ever made, it tells the story of life, love, loss, heartache, sadness, bitterness, greed, envy...... Irene Papas et al made art, she is beautiful and I am proud to be half Greek.
ianoulla 1 year ago
Wasn't she also 'looking for a goat' in The Guns of Navarone (1961) ?
The Goat, or Who Is Irene?, a play written by Edward Albee, premiered on Broadway at the John Golden Theatre on 10 March 2002
Cheers.
from,
del-boy.
Call1800POO 1 year ago
Irene Papas is a great actress. Katherine Hepburn referred to her as "one of the greatest actresses ever".
Probably the finest Greek actresses were of the last century were Papas and Melina Mercouri, though perhaps I am partial.
ameroffsky 1 year ago
Irene Papas is so unique, different from any other actresses of her time.
Don't know why I always got nervous when she appeared on screen.....She had great intensity!
xingsheng1 1 year ago 3
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Antonio Rodolfo Quinn Oaxaca "Anthony Quinn " Born in Chihuahua Mexico during the Mexican Revolution ,His Mother Manuela "Nellie" Oaxaca was of AZTEC ancestry ,His Father Francisco Quinn of Irish -Mexican ancestry Born in Mexico ;rode with Pancho Villa .. Viva Anthony Quinn !!
chivasgreaser 1 year ago
it seems me....fighting with men and goats !!! :DDDD
paolatrev 1 year ago
No me canso ni me aburro de ver toda esta la pelicula .!!!!!!
alfredo18173 1 year ago
A very good looking woman but i didnt used to know Alan Bates was a Poofta in real life
kenfig 1 year ago
Beautifull Irene!!
lucyjara 1 year ago
Irène Papas, elle est formidable, également, dans les canons de Navaronne.
Djamel364 1 year ago
Why were those sleazebags tormenting her by hiding her goat? To pay her back for not sleeping with them? And of course, if she HAD slept with them, they would have branded her a whore. Disgusting double standards!
coralarch 1 year ago
The end, where Alan hands her the umbrella, is amazingly touching AND erotic!
coralarch 1 year ago
One of the unparalleled best. Her physical beauty is off the Richter Scale and her ability to act beyond reproach.
I regret she was never cast in a truly upbeat, happy, delightful (not puff piece mind you) film, one that would accent her monumental physical beauty and equally bring out a happy countenance combined with her intelligence and strength.
Honestly, this was one realm that tragically no movie, no producer, no director ever blessed us with. She still stands alone, whew..........
equinoxranch 1 year ago
As good as the movie is, the book is deep and beautiful. It goes in waves between the ethereal and the concrete, the Englishman and Zorba. And it's misogynistic! But it's a journey of the mind and the soul very much worth taking.
mutatron 1 year ago
Incredibly, this was one of the first feminist movies of the 1960s!
Irene Pappas is amazing!
NYCBG 1 year ago 3
Irene Pappa,the original Greek beauty!!!she's really beautiful
MarinaWaRRior7 1 year ago 31
Irene Pappas is amazing! I want to be her... :-)
strong, dignified, a role model for Greek women everywhere
phemyda94 1 year ago 4
What a scene!
What a movie!
barbos111 1 year ago 2
Ditto!
NYCBG 1 year ago
greece's economy is down atm
RomanianUser 1 year ago
So what ?
safeuae 1 year ago
just wanted to let you know. stop crying
RomanianUser 1 year ago
Only if you promise to get an education.
safeuae 1 year ago
that makes no sense . this is so not related to education.
RomanianUser 1 year ago
It is. Your stupidity is worse than my crying. Perhaps with a proper upbringing you will think twice before writing anything down. Not only did you try to make fun of a country's plight , strange coming from a Romanian but you tried to be wise in your answer to my comment. I need to refine your character.
safeuae 1 year ago
Are you retarded? How could i have made fun of Grece simply saying that its economy is down at the moment ? The news says it, the papers says it. That means they're all stupid for doing it ? ...and of course I didn't try to be "wise" to your comment because I can prove you that I'm not stupid at all, so this is not education related ; you're just delusional .
RomanianUser 1 year ago
wow!, I love Greece beautifull country....
brandy2005 1 year ago 2
Truly a great actress with all the classical Greek looks! Excellent in The Guns of Navarone, and she also portrayed a wonderful Catherine of Aragon in Anne of a Thousand Days. Loved Captain Corelli's Mandolin all around, as it showed the close bond and brotherliness between Greeks and Italians.
ligreekguy 2 years ago
aaah.. where have the authentic Greek women gone?
Irene.. man.... I watched this and realized Audrey just got bumped to down (imo)
ntnimara 2 years ago
I just finnished the book. I was totally freaked at what happened to the widow. things start to get a lot darker after that. Kazantzakis was a fanfreakintastic writer. The last temptation is truly a marvelous piece of literature.
slyme1711 2 years ago
Wow, This is excellent !!!~5*****'s!!!
imaginarythings 2 years ago
Gracias,desde argentina. La vi cuando se estreno en Buenos Aires ,me gusto mucho recordar estas secuencias !
bellinivernon 2 years ago
There is one sin God will not forgive. If a woman invites a man to her bed and he refuses. -Zorba
jjj1951 2 years ago
Eleutheria!
StargazerCaroline 2 years ago
Irene Papas is one of the great actress I have ever watched. Thanks to her unbeliveable classical performance not only in Zorba The Greek, but in Captain Corelli's Mandolin too.
efe1406 2 years ago
YouAreSoRight 2 years ago
Wonderful film, great actress and actors, dance performer...
Alexis Zorbas - Zorba the Greek was in 1975 the first Greek movie I saw. And I fell in love!
Ich liebe Griechenland - I love Greece - s'agapo Ellada!
Ilkamy 2 years ago 24
I was 18 in 1983 when I first saw this film. Irene Pappas is so beautiful in this movie
I love her dignity and character.
stevenhaghighi 2 years ago 3
yes, I totally agree with your last sentence! she was a revelation for me. She never looks helpless, but instead she is has that sort of tragic shade that reminds me of ancient Greek heroines
Alagnapassion 2 years ago 3
wow great clip from zorba ! Lassally should have gotten more than one Oscar for the cinematography.they dont make them like this anymore Anthony Quinn was great so was the woman !
preacain 2 years ago
It was interesting reading your comments about my compatriots and my country.. just to give you some more - basic I think- info.. Zorba the Greek is a novel written by the Greek author Nikos Kazantzakis, first published in 1946.. The book opens in a café in Pireus, just before dawn on a gusty autumn morning in the 1930s.. so I don't think that it makes much sense for you to comment on modern Greek xenophobia.. with this film as your basis..
Read the book! That's what I say.. its always better
AchilleasM 2 years ago 4
There were comments made on the film ,naturally, but how is reality and the book so different from the film then concerning xenophobia, was the director really so far off in portraying these villagers? I doubt it , they seem like small town people the world over.
streltski88 2 years ago
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vitaliwths 2 years ago
Bravo!
flasparti 2 years ago
Indeed Irene Pappa looks very elegant in these clothes. What I understood from this movie is that its about the hypocricy and narrowmindedness of villages in Crete, I dont know whether I understood this correctly. ANd they kill Irene Papa cause she rejected all these men isnt it? do such things still happen in GReece? That women are blamed for everything?
Petsy2006 2 years ago
When a woman is a widow she is supposed to not be with any other man (in old fashioned Greece and maybe not today though except maybe a small village) and this combined with the men that do want her, BUT CANT HAVE HER, has resulted in a kind of animosity and hatred of her by the villagers. When they find out that she was alone with the "xenos" this is when they enforce the "honor" of the culture. This is how I understand it anyway.
MrSkaramanga 2 years ago
We can feel sorry for her when the cowardly villagers kill her but she must have been delusional to expect any other reaction from them
chelseagurl97 2 years ago
Ask any military historian about "operation merkur", which despite ending in victory for the nazi's, HORRIFIED Hitler because of the large casualty rate (made him FORBID any more island invasions), especially at that point of WW2. Hitler lost so many of his elite para's on Crete that it cost him dearly in his invasion of russia as well. Not to mention the loss off 250 Ju-25's and several high profile german commanders captured and killed by the Cretan gendarme. "Cowards"?, sorry wrong people.
MrSkaramanga 2 years ago
Im not impugning the valor of the Cretan people,but these particular villagers in this movie who gang up on a defenceless widow and slit her throat,back down to an armed Zorba ,and later steal a dead French ladies property are not waltzing in the Elysian Fields with Hercules when they pass on.
chelseagurl97 2 years ago
Of course not, said fields are only part of a myth.
MrSkaramanga 2 years ago
Likely they are
chelseagurl97 2 years ago
They are as likely as atlas holding up the planet as we speak.
MrSkaramanga 2 years ago
yeah i know what you mean. she was desperate, lonely and had too much pride. she could have had them all and rejected submitting to anyone. she was too beautiful, too special for the village. she didn't want to belong. and the village took revenge on her.. the hate of a rejected lover is the greatest.. irene papa was wonderful in that film. no one could play the bitter proud beauty like she did..
carryall69 2 years ago 2
Yes, she didnt deserve that humiliating death,the director conveys the villagers eerie vileness when we see those vulture hags block off her escape in the cemetary.Where was Bates or the priest?They should have been more discreet or married. Its a shame.
chelseagurl97 2 years ago
this is interesting, I was surprised to learn that Greeks(Cretans) acted like this, I mean these people were one of the founders of western civ
streltski88 2 years ago
every region, or even every polis has its own moral codex. thats one thing, the other is, since christianity came up, the liberal notion of the ancient world was over. then the turks fall in for some hundreds of years.. nowadays, creta is still known for being one of the more restricted regions in greece. it's not like lesbos or mykonos, you know.. and they kind of have this thing, that they don't want to mix up with others. it's exceptional to marry one of them, even for a greek..
carryall69 2 years ago
Ah Lesbos!
streltski88 2 years ago
lol..
carryall69 2 years ago
i mean, it's interesting to see for instance the personal gods they worshiped back in those days. kreta (herakleon) was worshipping hera, the wife of zeus and one to fear of. i mean even zeus feared her. or if you think of klytemnestra, who killed her husband for sacrificing their child and bringing a new trojan lover home. some could argue, that in zorbas the movie, the theme was not so much about oppressed womanhood (not that this wouldn't be also the case), but her 'interracial' betrayal..
carryall69 2 years ago
who would have thought, the progressive Greeks racist! Suppose they were, because all others were 'barbarians',Alexander did try to overcome that(some said Macedonians were not Greeks)by encouraging unions with the Persians though. You uncovered something here to better understanding this film, their xenophobia.
streltski88 2 years ago
yeah well, at least the cretans. we can't speak for all the greeks. and surely xenophobia is based on many things, like the educational level of a person, or negative experiences and so on.. but greeks to say at least something in that sense, hate for instance the turks or muslims in general. they have never forgiven them for the cultural abuse during that time. the turks have once build (just to mention the tip of the iceberg) a mosque in the middle of the acropolis during their occupation..
carryall69 2 years ago
but to say something about the circumstances that play a role in every valuation of the situation of the people in a region.. the movie was filmed in 64.. lets say it's based probably on somehow a true story, maybe some years ago, lets say the 50ies.. the second world war wasn't that long ago, after that and before, were civil wars and wars with the turks, before that we had of course the first world war.. so i guess it wasn't an ideal time to be open minded or lets say 'xenophile' everywhere..
carryall69 2 years ago
The Ottoman occupation was a disgrace.The artist,poets,intellectuals,scientists,and freedom lovers etc of the West should have launched a 'crusade' to help free Greece from the Turk, I believe there were some such efforts, Lord Byron took part in one,and died in Missolonghi.
streltski88 2 years ago
they did.. the brits, french and the russian helped a great deal in the 19th century.. without them it couldn't have been possible. before, it wasn't the time for such a thing. you know, i mean in the 15th and 16th century, europe was too weak for the turks and in the 17th and 18th century, they were too busy with themselves. but in the end, they did.
carryall69 2 years ago
what has ruined byzantine was the orthodox clerus. one third of the land belonged to them and they didn't pay any taxes, so byzantine wasn't able to pay it's mercenary army. so it hadn't any proper protection and on the other hand, the catholics were either way competitors to the orthodox, and had to deal with the new protestants..
carryall69 2 years ago
in the end, what has ruined the ancient enlightened world, was monotheism, christianity and islam. the dark ages started way before the turks, the turks were just the crowning of it.. i always hated the orthodox church for that and all the previous acts, like closing down the academies and theaters, burning the ancient literature and killing the hellenistic soul.. these are the enemies. the enemies of enlightenment. these are our mullahs..
carryall69 2 years ago
exactly, as it is often in life. there are two sorts of evil. there are the perpetrators and the ones who permit it. the lurkers. the real delinquents.. they are the ones who let all the evil happens. the ones who are really to blame and to hate.. the dangerously weak, the opportunists who play it save, who look away..
carryall69 2 years ago
Oh and especially since the young one killed himself because of her.
MrSkaramanga 2 years ago
such not suck
dkaroun 2 years ago
whats the deal with her??
why is everyone suck assholes
dkaroun 2 years ago
this was the village mentality... the one against the other. She was a widow - other men did not like her husband (I do not remember if he had died in some vedetta - always in fashion in Crete). So while other men would not do her harm, they would not lose a chance to be mean to her. Stupid village mentality.
gamaolas 2 years ago
@gamaolas
... but you have to admit ... it's sooooo beautiful!!!! loool!
jahellaspartan 1 year ago
Irene Papas - GREAT actress ! I saw this movie as a child, long time ago. A sad story, I still feel the bitterness of the tragical end.
ROMANABSOLUT 2 years ago
Does zorba mean a rude person also in greek or only in turkish ?
eud1558 3 years ago
no it doesnt means sth like that in greek..my aunt is called zorba too:)
Unbeliveable21 2 years ago
Хахахаха
igorbog88 2 years ago
Many Greek sirnames are actually turkish nick-names - most are related to professions. As this is an inheritance from the Ottoman Empire, in Greek language they have lost their meaning.
Zorbas was a Greek from Macedonia, not a Cretan. Syrtaki (based on hasaposerviko), rebetiko and other "laika" style of music are not Cretan but come mainly from a mix of music that Minor Asian refugess brought with them and local one - a mix mainly done in northern Greece where Zorba came from.
gamaolas 2 years ago
Only a Mexican cold make that great performace as a Greek!!!!
galgossy69 3 years ago
and he wished he was greek.
cyprussunizhot 3 years ago
he was baptized Greek Orthodox few years before his death. To me, he had a Hellenic soul. You cannot do such a job so well and not have ELLINISMOS
MrSkaramanga 2 years ago
and part Irish too : )
SHRINA17 2 years ago
re pedia pia ttainia einai auti?
kandreas147 3 years ago
Zorbas the greek...einai elliniki tainia p bgike k to analogo tragoudi sirtaki!
Sharped1Arrow 3 years ago
Never spit on a Greek ... Your life could be in danger!
JimmyTheGreek2000 3 years ago 2
Yes indeed. I had such a crush on her! How I wished I was the Alan Bates character, as he gives her his umbrella! I have never seen such expressive eyes in anyone on stage!!
sdorr 3 years ago
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these albanians are full of shite
saltadoros08 3 years ago
MALAKISMENE
ELLINES INE ...ZWO
BLAKA
Sharped1Arrow 3 years ago
kai pios sou eipe oti anaferomai sti taineia?
gia prosexe ligo pos milas re tsoutseki...
gamo ton theo kai tin panagia sou gamo..
tagari mas egines
saltadoros08 3 years ago
Sosta...tora to ksanadiavasa :D
Sorry Saltadorakoo :)
Alla sinexia lene tin Irini papa san albanida...kai tromaksa... :D
Sharped1Arrow 3 years ago
sorry tote kai apo mena...
saltadoros08 3 years ago
filaraki einai PAPAS kai ellhnida kai ama goustarete.alliws spitakia sas re kai eseis kai oi skopianoi na breite kana koulouri na fate
psychdim 3 years ago
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Irene Papa not PAPAS as greeks name her.Albanian origin her mother land is occupied by Greece.
dangerousman555 3 years ago
The character of the widow couldn't be performed by any other actress. Not with such a grateness. Furthermore, her astounding Beauty! She is just perfect.
ernestinaolivera 3 years ago 2
The music is fantastic!!!
nevilleprinsloo 3 years ago
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great actress. I would say she looks more arab than greek, although both are very similar.
2muchforem 3 years ago
Irena Papas & Antony Quinn portrait the wondeful of the Latino person. Alan Bates is great as a english witout sence of anything.
Tristan1947 3 years ago
The beautiful Irene says more with her eyes than most actors do with words. The only person who can make widow's clothes look regal and sexy- she's amazing.
coralarch 3 years ago 11
I freaking LOVE IRENE PAPAS.
Suckerman12 3 years ago 3
Wasn't there a part where the villagers who liked the widow, stoned her.One of them dealt the last blow by slitting her throat.A very gruesome but important scene! She looked very beautiful in it,like a tiny lamb trying to escape the butcher's knife and the brute who desired her but whom she rejected is the one who struck the fatal blow but he went unpunished! By the time of his death, was Nikos Kazantzakis still excommunicated from the Greek Orthodox Church for "The Last Temptation of Christ?"
chitchatkathy 3 years ago
"Boss. A big beautiful wild widow!" My favorite scene in the movie.
bigpapykane 3 years ago
What was this lady's name. I saw this film as a child. I remember her spitting as she left, but I don't remember the love-sick guy giving her a umbrella. I loved Anthony Quinn in this role. He was magnificent, younger and sexier of course. Thanks EllinikKardia for the post. I haven't seen it in years.
antiann52 3 years ago
The lady's name: Irene Pappas. The most beautiful widow in the world...
duclagitane 3 years ago
Even in her ugly widow's clothes, she's as beautiful as a goddess.
coralarch 4 years ago 3
Elegant.
EllinikiKardia 4 years ago
Did you see her in "Z" (1970)? She was heart-breaking!
coralarch 4 years ago
Yes. A great actress, elegant in the Callas style.
EllinikiKardia 4 years ago
Do you mean Maria Callas? I have never seen or heard her - only knew about her affair with Onassis.
coralarch 4 years ago
Yes. Arguably the best soprano in the world.
EllinikiKardia 4 years ago
She was one of the greatest voices ever in opera music!!!The DIVA OF OPERA.
mickeyhellas 4 years ago
Thanks, Mickey. I have no problem appreciating operatic sopranos, trouble is, I can't understand their lyrics.
coralarch 4 years ago
@coralarch then you must look for her in you tube. If you like opera there are, sadly, few performances of her captured on film, but they are all remarkable.The ones where the voice fails too, as she was a great actress with a powerful scenic presence on top of it all. She has acted on a screen version of Medea by Pier Paolo Pasolini in the early seventies and it has been an astounding rendition of the character.
lidiabonini 1 year ago
@coralarch Sorry I did not say I was talking of Maria Callas.
lidiabonini 1 year ago
@lidiabonini Oh, OK, thanks- now I now what you mean. Did Irene ever do the classic Greek dramas?
coralarch 1 year ago
@coralarch Irrene acted on many of the ancient greek dramas. Probably she did Medea as well as it is one of the greatest characters ever, but I do not know if it is on film. I hope to see her one day on that role.
lidiabonini 1 year ago
@lidiabonini Let me know if ever you find her on film as Media- I will be so grateful. Medea is a fantastic female role, one of the best ever written. I entirely sympathise with her, and understand why she kills her children.
coralarch 1 year ago
@coralarch You are dead right!!! Even dressed in a sack! she is a goddes and she has acting skills to match too.
lidiabonini 1 year ago
@lidiabonini Did you see her in "Z"? She says about 4 words in the entire film, but her presence is absolutely unforgettable. A true goddess.
coralarch 1 year ago
@coralarch I am glad she has so many admirers! Think of all the expressionless plastic "beauties" of todays silver screen:
Yes I have seen "Z" when it was released many years ago. She has the personality to fill the screen with her presence. If you woudl like to see her in full Greek - classic - regalia, watch the "Odissea" an Italian production of the seventies in which she plays Penelope, Ulysses faithful wife. Nobody is more suitable for the role. And she speaks beautiful Italian too.
lidiabonini 1 year ago
@lidiabonini Thanks for that- I didn't know she spoke Italian. I love ancient Greek tragedies- I think Irene would be a fantastic "Medea".
Ohhhh, the modern "stars" and their botox and trout pouts- bah!! No competition at all!!
coralarch 1 year ago