Drum Lesson: Double Stroke Roll Accents

[OHLOGGON]

You are the best...wow keep it up...am geting improved by u..

[BandofTheBliss]

It's really awesome. It helps me alot doing my rolls. It's much easier to understand you than the other videos i have seen. You're really good

[brijeshmt]

Thanks a lot sir.....really got a new dimention towards drumming.

[jamirosmajicrocks]

This video is going to help me allot to improve my playing, thanks!

[danmatt44]

Dude you are so amazing! It was so simple and helpful! don't listen to all those trash talkers that say what you're doing is wrong/lame :)

[Justinflashable]

w.e. i c your trying to help ppl which is wonderful but your teaching the wrong stuff trust me i didnt mean to seem like a dick but that is not a fucking double stroke enough said haha

[skippyskatestuff]

The A+B+RRLL+Repeat is a little confuising to me :l

[damnverificationcode]

amazing video and very helpful, thanks for taking the time to make it and share what you know. dont mind all the little f@#ks that feels manly when they trash online, I think this video is great

[TheTruecarpet]

these are six stroke rolls

[kylebatty1]

Hey, smooth hands, good job. -Kyle Batty Check out my lessons.

[ryanjeong]

hey dude, thanks for posting this up!



[castlehilldude]

At higher tempos some of these rhythyms sound very much like five stroke rolls played in a continous manner (with no space between the fives), especially the part where you are playing the accents on the toms etc. This is not a criticism, just an observation. Good video. Good skills!

[lakerfan531]

he isnt holding them incorrectly U just probably dont know all the grips cuz u not as advanced as most of us

[rollingleaf71]

This video SUCK!!!

[Justinflashable]

u r a fucking idot thats not a double stroke roll its called a dubble stroke roll because all the hits r doubled so its rr ll rr ll rr ll etc or ll rr ll rr ll rr

[geekusadrummer]

@Justinflashable True.  (regarding the music side of your post)

[nigelregan]

@Justinflashable wow dude that's harsh man! what makes you think you can just abuse someone like that who's trying to help other drummers? you're a brave man when you're on the end of a keyboard!

[masteraar57]

@Justinflashable Holy fuck, learn how to spell before you type.

[Justinflashable]

@masteraar57 it was a typo idiot i meant double but really learn how to play first its not triplets fucking idiot

[masteraar57]

@Justinflashable You're calling me an idiot for your own spelling mistakes? Christ, the typical summerfag.

[sher5nong]

hey i need help on left hand double stroke roll. how do u do it? with the trad grip. =(

[3997007]

you're holding the right drum stick incorrectly lol

[safespa1]

sorry 2 hear bout the carpel tunnel mate but it was only a matter of time. mkae sure u keep ur shoulders even an not leaning towards the trad hand also with the left hand the thumb points upward not sideways as it has knowhere 2 pivot otherwise! all this aside it sounded pretty good!

[mafa11288]

hi man. when you soloing on the snare drum at the end of your vid....how is the sticking like?? only RLL RRL ??

[SputniksArmy]

Is the point of double strokes just so you're able to accent on L? Because instead of

rllrrl, you can just do rlrlrl..

[geekusadrummer]

@SputniksArmy True, but both stickings will allow you to express the phrase differently when orchestrating around the kit. It also feels a little bit different.

[SputniksArmy]

@geekusadrummer I see, it makes sense now. It never really got to me why drummers do doubles on snare fills,

but is it also just to accent on L (because in rlrlrl, accenting on L would be hard, and on offbeat)?

[wheelholder12]

@geekusadrummer its called a sectuplet

[wheelholder12]

@SputniksArmy but the sticking is LLRLLR HOW ABOUT RLLRRR LRRLLL

[frederik0101]

@SputniksArmy So you say instead of RRLLRRLL i should play RLRLRLRL??...

wtf...

[SputniksArmy]

@frederik0101 I'm saying whats the point of doing RRLLRRLL or other stickings like RLLRLRRL

[frederik0101]

@SputniksArmy it gives you better opportunities at the drum kit and various sounds..... i can't belive you can't see that...

[SputniksArmy]

@frederik0101  I see that, im just saying, you can still do the same result with single strokes

[frederik0101]

@SputniksArmy

NONONONO.... wtf...

If you can make the same hand motion but hit with 2 strokes, and can move the hand at same speed when your playing doubles as if you were playing singles, you can be able to play much faster. Besides, i gives you a more floating sound than the singles.... jeez...

[SputniksArmy]

@frederik0101 There really is no difference, just more effort put into doing complex things like RLRRLRRLLRL or something rather than acheiving the same sound by doing RLRLRLs.

[frederik0101]

@SputniksArmy I gives you a different sound and helps you to learn how to coordianate your body's motions

Sorry for my bad english

[MegaRBeaT]

bro..

your sick!

and your way of teaching is so good!..

peace brother.

[bskeel]

Dude this is a really great lesson. Usually when I see these fills or solos theyre being played by Buddy Rich at light speed. Thanks for breaking things down into playable parts to practice!

[jhoe47]

Thanks Man, i try to put in my mind what i saw in your Video.. lol

[GungFuPanda]

i was about say something about you holding your drumstick with your right hand until i saw the description

[Ecwjr007]

I need a practice pad, this is really helpful though!

[ThEaNtMuRdErEr]

@Ecwjr007 moongel pad is great. it feels much easier playing on anything afterwards.

[creationmark]

Very informative dude, thanks for posting, keep em coming!

[notar3alacc0unt]

its called a puttada

[drummerboyoli]

Hey dude, what is that pad you using??

[geekusadrummer]

@drummerboyoli Real Feel HQ

[migzpogi18]

Hello your lessons really help me create a drum solo Good work mate., and btw is your kit mic'd-in ? they really sound good especially the snare and even without muffler.,

can i request you to make a tutorial on how to tune a kit ? i suck at that part :( THANKS!

[akuamtau]

if only i had seen this 2 years ago.. you did great, man! really grateful for this lesson! cheers and keep on drumming! =D

[steraeris]

i was tought that the two fingers(pointer and middle finger) holding the stick in left hand should always hold the stick... good lesson

[geekusadrummer]

@steraeris That's one way to hold them indeed. There are many other ways that will give you different feels, and help execute different strokes (i.e. pointer and middle finger grip might be great for a delicate orchestral touch. Gripping w/ pinky and ring finger are good for a heavy feel)

[henchwang]

Great vid! Really helpful. I've been thinking about getting back into drumming and best place to start is snare work. Thanks.

[TerresEndormies]

I love that you keep the base roll simple and compact. Double-stick + accent = Rhythm A. Change accent = B. 4 even strokes. End. You make no style references, add nothing.

And then you build fills and complex solos with accents falling across the kit. And it makes sense! Ohhhhhhhh. The accents are BUILT out of the two odd-sticked rhythms, not crammed in! Now it's the video of someone playing the roll endlessly that doesn't make sense.

Thank you very much for this.

[ihateyoumygot]

this guy is the man, go away haters

[lapyan810]

hi~! thank you for your teaching! I love you so!!! you really make me play drum solo better!!! I am Hong Kong peole,my enghish very bad ,anyway,thank you so much!!! XDXD

[2222loko]

awesome video...!!! thanks so much!

[kevionsmith]

dude u rocked i acutely can do that with my drumset and without it wow i can play that during our band concerts with my rock'n'roll band

[mineonlyhoof]

whats the point of learning this?

[dobleratamacue]

it is also an aplication of six single stroke fills accents. You can play the six single patern RLRLRL / RLRLRL and put the accents on the first and fourth notes, and you can play all the unaccent notes as a doubles.

[BertAtkin]

I need some help on this. The first bit he does rhythm A followed by rhythm B then 2 double strokes. Burtwhen he takes it to the drumset application he does A then B and then only adds 2 notes after ? What is the purpose of the first part of the Video if he shows a different application on the Kit in the second part. Forgive me if I'm wrong, I'm trying to learn. Thanks for posting the Video.

[dobleratamacue]

@BertAtkin i guees the first part helps you to learn the accents and how its sound like, then the second part could be very easy to do before you have learned the paternn

[willforty2]

search: amorphic drum

what is this technique??

[Souldevistator666]

Wow the only guy to be smart enough to use music theory in it. Thanks man, im a guitarist trying to get better at drums and your helping :)

[inkubatorius]

i was kinda stuck with double stroke, didnt know how to apply it, but this video saved me thanks for that, was looking for something like that.

[geekusadrummer]

@inkubatorius Thanks! Also, check out youtube user Dimsunk, and look for his video "Steve Gadd Groove Lick". There is an awesome way to use double strokes. Really tough to play well, but once you can get it, it is DEADLY!

[kramewol]

@geekusadrummer That is hoe I was taught!

[kramewol]

@geekusadrummer That is how I was taught!

[Rossco9992]

thats good, I like it

[alchemist1369]

to be more specific on how to count the right way for sextuplet is: 1 ta ta and ta ta 2...or 1 tri-plet and tri-plet, 2 tri-plet and tri-plet 3.... and for quintuplets is: 1 e and a ta, 2 e and a ta, 3 e and a ta, 4....

[alchemist1369]

this guy christc221 is a total ignorant! any well educated drummer know how to count, you can also count this way 1 ta ta & ta ta 2 ta ta & ta ta 3.... and it get worst... like for the 32nd notes you should count this way 1- ta- e -ta- and- ta- a- ta-2- ta- e- ta- and- ta- a- ta- 3.... and for this particular lesson that geekusadrummer is showing us the count can also be like: 1- e- and- a- ta- 2- e- and- a- ta- 3- e- and- a- ta- 4.... etc. if you play the same many times without stopping

[0nedeadstar]

your great fuck the haters bro

[ScreamxBloodyxGore]

It's one triplet two triplet, with triplet being made into three syllables. (Trip-el-et)

He's right, and if not, at least he is making an effort to help others. Chill out.

[Funkbone]

Excellent video, man! You have serious chops and you explain what you're doing very clearly. Please show us some more!

[Pracktice]

aint that six stroke roll???????

[boru62003]

Isn't the first rhythm technically a 6 stroke roll and the last an alternating 5 stroke roll???

[PhantomSocke]

What's the sense of the traditional grip? What advantages does it have? I never understood.

[nosombrero]

wicked video man, really nicely explained - this wil help me out lots with my practise... thanks!

[Poasted]

Those are called putatas

[munkeefork69]

what plays on those headphones?

[k2plasma]

do you like smashing jack o lanturns?

[geekusadrummer]

@k2plasma I certainly do ;)

[Venaasflash]

buy drummics!

[geekusadrummer]

@Venaasflash I did. Please to note my other videos.

[effedieffedi]

great !!!

[astrel23]

That shirt is totally rad. Good drumming technique as well.

[BerkLeeDrm]

i could never figure why drummers use weird sticks like this dude...I like regal tip 5b like fer 40 years now. and 3s for drum corp use.....pro mark let me down in my endorsement,,had bushels of firewood

[empiresfall]

That was unbelievably useful. Cheers :)

[maplepop]

wow you are really really goood

[martincruzdrums]

joe Morello live in your stile and tecnique!, great job !!!!!!!

[dobrogen]

I downloaded your video, buddy! This is the best video on the application of rudiments, as well as rudimentary tracks in solo and breaks! Give more videos!

[BurntToast355]

Those aren't "double stroke accents". That doesn't exist. They are fivelets played in a tap five fasion.

[gentotski]

Thanks for this vid man. was looking for videos about how to apply the sextuplet roll.

[hybxrx1xd]

your traditional grip is awful

[gentotski]

@hybxrx1xd

you think you can do better? show us links to your vids man.

I'm no expert, I'm just saying.

[gentotski]

@hybxrx1xd you think you can do better?

I'm no expert, I'm just sayin, If you could do better. Show us.

[aa989899]

good ^^

[Damon163]

Does it matter how you hold the drum sticks?

[reraymond]

Thanks ! very helpful breakdown and sounds great.

[moomiss]

Is your screen name from one of the best Smashing Pumpkins songs?

[geekusadrummer]

@moomiss you betcha!

[flipper7001]

nice vid!!!

I bought a drum rudiment poster and dvd at

DrumRudimentPoster.comx-minus the x :) it rocks!!!

[rikuantu]

from what i learned.....(i learn from a Professional) you should never have your thumb on your right hand out....its always facing down

[RazmatazBand]

This was very helpful, thank you very much

[CafeDkP13]

badass lesson... thankyou very fuking much dude

[Bolgamesports]

Cool. Thanks! I've learned a lot

[dvamateur]

My God! This is fantastic!

[zacatecano1233]

how do youh make your hands go faster nd faster? please tell me . im 14 and wanna learn im in a banda but kant make my hands go fast i dont no whats a good exercise

[qjbb]

burn out play as fast as u can without messin up

[wardrumma]

@zacatecano1233 learn your rudiments dude. start off slow and get the notes as even and precise as possible. use a metronome and play them for long periods of time. once u get them down then speed up. some people use practice pads and some use pillows or something with no rebound to it. hope this helps bruh.

[Kittlesra]

Hi nice Video :)))) I really like it i will try practise this too :))))

[volk5wag3n]

my teacher said, your right palm should face downwards and work on your wrist.. maybe thats for beginners...

[geekusadrummer]

He is right. Actually both are acceptable, but the technique your teacher is talking about is the german grip, which is used in a lot of drumset applications. French grip (like what I was using in this video) is useful for light touch applications like orchestral snare. It is also very useful for jazz ride cymbal application.

[christc221]

@geekusadrummer maybe so, but you are dumb to defend your technique. Your left hand is atrocious... save new drummers the trouble and delete this video. Plus, WTF is 1 tri plet and tri plet hahahaha

[geekusadrummer]

@christc221 Give a beginner a break man. I wasn't BORN pro.

[geekusadrummer]

@christc221 ....and "1 tri plet and tri plet" was me trying to express 16th note triplets falling between the 8th notes. So if we have 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + as a slow groove, putting triplets inbetween all the eighth notes would sound like 1 trip let + trip let 2 trip let + trip let.... Am I right? Or is there a more appropriate way to theorize it?

[76steve76]

@geekusadrummer christ221 are u for real?

its a great lesson and well explained and hes a great drummer.

wtf 1 triplet 2 triplet is,is the way you count triplets, but then again if you were worth your salt youd know this.

If your a new drummer why dont you learn basic beat, and stop commenting on more advanced lessons that you dont understand and you cant play you fucking moron!

[deedub87]

@geekusadrummer Your counting there is correct however maybe just saying TA will be easier. Not such a mouthful.

[KyleJamesMcCann]

@christc221 Thomas is a great drummer. I checked your page, what you got to show? I rarely hear accomplished musicians speak this way to other musicians. If you really are so much more educated then you wouldn't feel the need to talk others down, YOU WOULD GIVE SUGGESTIONS. Jealousy is what I hear when all you can say is "your left hand is atrocious" or you mocking the phrases he uses to explain triplets.

[julianisdope]

@christc221 you just made yourself look stupid

[mannyu26]

@christc221 its the way of counting the notes you dip shit

[DrummerEtc]

@volk5wag3n I actually prefer American grip, which is essentially a compromise between the two@Geekusadrummer is right in that you use different grips for different situations,German is better suited for harder hitting situations (marching,rock, etc) while French is best suited for softer situations. Learning all 3 will allow you to flow in and out of them seamlessly, no matter the situation. Keep practicin'!

[Hetlund72]

du skal låse din venstre hånd med pege fingeren..;O) det er kun i drumlines man ik låser.. men gør du ik det på sættet taber du den(måske) når du bruger power

[LUKEq88]

Ok thanks ... bye!

[LUKEq88]

How long did it take you to learn to play that solo?

[geekusadrummer]

three or four years. I used to not practice very much either. But that's not to discourage you from practicing!

[12345noel]

nice man u rock but the lets hand hold is off the hock man i cant even get that done

[bcarballo88]

Nice! How do you hold your drum stick with your left hand?

[rstroker530]

traditional grip i ithink its what its called

[Z32spdstr]

@rstroker530 the way he held the stick with the left hand yeah its traditional and the way u hold the stick with ur hands facing down like his right hand was thats called match gripping

[JAPONESA1996]

Excelente, very clearrrrrrrrr

[nacho919191]

ty man, it's helping me a lot

[appledrum2a]

Its a Paradiddle-diddle but reversed and inverted!

I love this thanks for showing it to me. My drum tutor calls it the Buddy Rich Paradiddle-diddle ^^

[naechancelad]

What practice drum pad are you using? It looks great and doesn't seem as bouncy as some others I've seen. I'm working on deveopling higher speed and I find the bouncier they are the lazier your hands get. Any tips etc. Thanks!

[geekusadrummer]

Real Feel HQ. Most pads like that are going to offer a similar feel though. I recommend them, and I recommend playing on the black side for less resistance. The rubber is very bouncy, and your hands will indeed get lazy :)

[rossedgington]

He looks a bit like Andols from Chimaira used to when he had long hair. Good lesson though :D

[RizzoSaurusRex]

Or an inverted Paradiddle. The first two are Flam accents.

[jonwileman999]

I really like the snare solo you play at 7:10, as it sounds quite Buddy Rich like. What patterns are you playing here, as you're mixing it with what you showed in the lesson? Also, what accents do you use for the solo? Great drumming

[podkkkfl]

very usefull man, tks

and now I'm gonna practice like hell

[imakery]

these are just paradiddle-diddles shifted

[elber449]

Thanks to you geekusadrummer very clear! Rob Elbers from Lichtenvoorde/The Netherlands

[andrevth]

I thought double stroke roll accents mean that you should be playing double strokes throughout? because what ur doing is actually not double strokes but rll rrl, and you are accenting the r and l respectively. what im asking is whether double stroke roll accents mean Rrll lLrr rRlL RRlL or something like that. meaning that strokes within the double stroke are accented and not accenting single strokes within a double stroke. sorry for this long winded question :X hope someone understands

[geekusadrummer]

Yeah, I don't know if you can really call it a roll that way I am using it in the video. A roll would be rrllrrllrrllrrll. I just used the title for the video because it kindof sounds like a double stroke roll, but with accents. Though it's not technically played that way.

[darknessat1134]

Thank You, I needed help improving my left hand, and this really helped :)

[EvansDrumsRock]

Good Right Hand Tequniec But Your Holding French Grip With The Right Hand

[vox4vox]

good teacher!

[DfarakSkeletor]

i hope to god, that isnt the molar technique.

[Racerdew]

haha no ,this certainly isnt the moeller technique, but deffinatly quite useful :D

[DfarakSkeletor]

Moeller is total BS... sorry but yeah he explains it good, but the way his hand ERRR!!! hahaha

i play like Adler and Buddy Rich. only one fulcrum, the only way to play ma man!

[koke666im]

thanks amigo, from chile =)

[Franciscohazel]

interesting video! thanks....you explained it very clear and with alot of ideas or suggestions on how to do my own thing with it. It should help me with my phrasing.

[Lukaws19]

he was being very clear. 

thanks for this vid

[x1337xCAZIE]

you're an amazing drummer but you have no emotion ha. so much apathy, cheer up :D

[malachilikepie]

I can double stroke really good with pencils lol. :D

[SuperPbizzle]

Thanks for the lesson, very cool and has given me ideas :)

[Venaasflash]

reminds of parradiddles

[Spaniard2264]

Its my opinion that you have a way with breaking down the basic roll rudiments unlike I've ever seen before(A+B RRLL) or as the five stroke roll. Good job!

[streetzac]

cool lesson!!!

[Vartex]

Ok i think i have a way of explaining it

I do steady beat

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ...

then i do other beat

♪♪♫♫♪

I can do the steady beat but then when i do the other beat both of my hands do this.

♪♪♫♫♪

[geekusadrummer]

The best way to do this is to start extremely slow, concentrating on what each hand is doing. Once you are comfortable with playing it really slow, and you can take your mind out of it a little bit, once it feels more natural, then slowly increase the tempo. Continue increasing the tempo until desired speed is achieved. Patience, and consistent practice are also valuable. Good luck!

[Vartex]

Argh this is super hard no matter how much i concentrate it just complety copies unless i dont play the steady beat when i do the other beat but il keep trying.

[Vartex]

Yes i finnaly got i cant quite do it really fast or change tempo with 1 hand and another tempo with another but its a start i owe you :D

Gotta practice :P

[Vartex]

Hey i was wondering how do you play two tottally different things with both of your hands for example if i wanna play ♪♪♫♫♪ with my left hand and just play a steady ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ beat with my right hand. Well the hand that plays the steady beat when i play the other tottally copies the other, and i can only do beats when i stop playing on 1 of my sticks i dont know how to help it i probably explained this wierd but il make another comment i guess and il try ot make more sense of it.

[obrsl]

Go pick up "Progressive Steps to Syncopation for the Modern Drummer (Ted Reed) ." from your local music store. It has practical independence drills similar to what you're trying to do. It really starts slow too, so I think it'll be helpful. For example, the first 2 pages are simply quarter notes/rests with both hands. Also, it's only like $8 (cost of a sandwich)

[8quart]

very usefull...thank you..

[Wolverine51324]

What a complete virgin

[geekusadrummer]

Actually that was taken care of before this video came out.

[Wolverine51324]

Oh dear, be sorry for the poor animals... haha im jokin man but you should be able to rise above my petty insults being the big stud you are =] Happy paradiddles

[feezy23]

Looks like a tap 5 or inverted 6...

[w9jon]

A+B is just basically a reverse, inverted paradiddle-diddle, right?

[chop9suey]

lol earthbound shirt

[lakkicachiba]

Nice ! I really enjoy it !

[willsie22]

surely there can be many different triplets like rlrlrl instead of rll rll rll??

[Dilliboy63]

I was having huge troubles counting Rll + rrL + rrll because I thought it was going from triplets to 16ths. I guess I missed how the accents are the quarter note pulse first time around. GREAT VIDEO!! This was hella useful