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  • i used to love watching new yankee workshop, i always been into carpentry but due to medical issues i had to give it up however i still dabble in wooden models even tho its not quite the same as making a chair or a table etc.........love ur vids mate, keep them coming :)

  • It's no joke man. Norm HAD to quit. He had a health issue. His proctologist told him that he was producing too many wooden stools.

  • do you know where i can watch the new yankee workshop episodes online for free?

  • only just got the news, unbelievable! Thanks for many years of enjoyable television.

  • Maybe they cancelled the show because Norm didn't wear his "these, safety....glasses" one day? j/k, awesome show....I grew a lot too, made my family happy with some cool projects and helped me learn to just go out to the shop and do it. I even bought a book and donated it the the local library.

  • everybody probably feels the same way , good video

  • Yeah, I liked his show, as well as the Woodrights Shop with Roy Underhill. Both are master craftsmen.

  • I want to add that I completely agree w/Stevinmarin, I started watching Norm as a child on this old house as the contractor 4 Bob, loved 2 watch his approach 2 everything, then started watching "New Yankee Workshop". Wow, what an awesome show. I have about 15 VHS tapes I got from the show from way back. Anyway I have 2 give huge props 2 Norm, 4 the work he has accomplished, & stevinmarin it's "and remember this there is no more important rule than to wear these Safety glasses

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  • I appreciate and support Steve's comments on Norm, for me it was a huge mistake to close this show, I think Norm must have inspired millions worldwide with enthusiasm for woodwork so thanks Steve, and thank you Norm, your friendly attitude has given many of us great pleasure over many years, with kind regards, Peter, BOSTON, Lincolnshire, UK

  • Sorry to hear they pulled the plug on Norm's workshop. He was definitely an inspiration to woodworkers worldwide.

  • I will say this - since the end of New Yankee Workshop, it has been nice to see Norm more often on This Old house. I wish Norm was my next door neighbor....Gee, I wonder if he would loan me tools?

  • I enjoyed the video thinking about when used to watch it every morning.

  • I quit watching tv about five years ago, imagine my surprise today finding out that The New Yankee Workshop is no longer on the air?! I don't even watch tv and I feel the loss of that show. One more reason to never watch tv again.

  • Yeah, I'd really like to sit down with Norm over a beer. He made you feel like you were in the shop with him and he didn''t talk down to you. I wonder what he did with all the cool projects he made.

  • I had no idea they pulled the plug on an institution. What a mistake PBS.

    We love Norm!

  • Norm, love him or hate him he has brought woodworking to the masses and demystified the elements of good woodworking. The article in "Fine Woodworking " magazine shows the dicotomy that is peoples opinion, He is a hack, he is a craftsman, he is this he is that. HE IS RECOGNISABLE and has put woodworking on the map. People who would not recognise a pic of James Krenove, Sam Maloof or Christian Becksvoort all know Norm , Some will recognise him with a sneer others with respect, but they know him.

  • Norm is awesome. And he's an awesome carpenter too.

  • dont get rid of PBS yet... we still have This Old House!!! Keep the videos coming steve and thanks for the ones already posted. greg

  • dr house?

  • 70,000 people watched this guy talk about Norm??...

  • @Madridme3 Crazy. I never thought anyone would watch it!

  • @stevinmarin I'm sure that Norm was the main reason most people got into woodworking and he will continue to be an inspiration while he's doing the equally great 'this old house'. Regarding his glasses I did a bit of searching on the net and apparently they are just not ordinary glasses but the lenses are shatter proof.

  • @Madridme3

    Some of us more than once too!

  • 70,000 people watched this guy talk about Norm??

  • I have watched N.Y.W for the last 20 years and i will miss the show. i have made a few of the projects. but i will say Norm your the man and all ways be

  • I was devastated when I heard that NYW had called it quits. I grew up watching Norm, I would record the episodes and watch them over and over and absorb all the information I could. I would say at least 90% of my woodworking know-how came from just watching The New Yankee Workshop. He will be missed :(

  • great work

  • I think more that the main reason to stop, was the fact that PBS went to Digital broadcast. Because the show would lost many fans on the Canadian side that watch the show and were still with analogue TV. That a lost.

  • Norm is a woodworking Icon, no doubt! I anticipated every saturday sitting and watching him create something beautiful. I have all his books and some of his full size plans, which are very thorough and easy to follow. Also, Norm was great on This Old House too. Especially the originals with Bob Villla.

  • good point at 1.30

    one thing that was very obvious was when someone put the money up for him to get a TON of Jet gear, and yeah... I would LOVE his shop. I thought, hmmmm... that's not really fair because of coarse it's easy to make these things with that gear. But he DID always try to show how it could also be done with more available tools.

    agree about the TV consistency too!

    I hope norm does go ego surfing, and he responds, that'd be so nice if he made some youtubes and replied. NORM! :D

  • Norm and Bob Ross..... the power combo

  • I'm 28, I'm Irish, I've spent many of years watching Norm and wishing I had a workshop like his, His shows were only ever on on a Sunday morning on the Discovery Channel, They never really ran in sync but I loved it so much!! I'd watch them all again if they did a re run! Good video!!!

  • I watched a bit of this series, but it was really geared toward dreamers or rich guys. How many dudes can afford to buy a $20K industrial table saw to be used just for weekend hobbies? How about that shop? Built in PBS producer Russell Morash's back yard. Who paid for that? PBS? A publicly funded entity? PBS: Welfare for the rich.

  • yeh he will be missed. great show have you ever ordered any of the plans on the show?

  • yeh he will be missed. great show

  • I watched from the start in 1989. Started woodworking myself in 1995, and I learned everything from this show. Norm gave us 21 years and to Norm thank you. I remember watching him use a shopsmith band saw many times. I now have a shopsmith. I have made a good many projects and passed them on for family to enjoy. Thanks again Norm, just give us a show once and a while to keep our fix going. Take care.

  • PBS should call it quits to!

  • I grew up watching Norm and now I build flight simulators out of wood. Go figure! Please check out stuff at SimSamurai-dot-net !!!

  • Norm is the best and irreplaceable. I also watch Marc Spagnolo aka the wood whisperer online but he's not as interesting as Norm I think. I am just glad that we can still watch episodes online.

  • Norm is the best and irreplaceable. I also watch Marc Spagnolo aka the wood whisperer online but he's not as interesting as Norm I think.

  • I learned some things through the years from Norm as well... but the thought of anyone having a TV guy's photo in a workshop is... extremely scary.

  • @PlayfulPlans Its not scary in the slightest. I have one as well. I also have Norm (well the workshop actually) as my desktop wallpaper.

  • I grew up on Norm Abram and Roy Underhill (the Woodwright's shop) on PBS.

    me and my Old Man used to watch every weekend while we were working in the wood shop. great times.

  • @murrayhilloutlaws same here though it with my mother in the living room. haha

  • Norm is a great man and a Dean of his craft. I miss the show. The New Yankee Workshop, This Old House and Hometime were my 3 favorite shows to watch in High School.

  • yep, Norm has left some BIG shoes to fill. I just looked on Amazon, they don't have a DVD series. It'd be nice if they put ALL of his shows on DVD so people could watch them....

  • I'm pretty sure I heard he ended the show so he could focus on This Old House which you can find him on. Also have you ever seen Roy Underhill on the WoodWright Shop? Thats a good show on create/pbs. He's all about traditional woodworking.

  • I know who he is, and I'm from Norway! ;-)

    'there is no more important safety rule than to wear these - safety glasses' <3

  • I've watched NYW hundreds of times. I always watched it because I like Norm, not to get any woodworking insites. I don't have anything like the tools he had so his methods are mostly useless to me. I always laughed when he'd use a table saw or some other power tool to do something that I'd do w/ a chisel or handplane. Again, I love Norm, the man. He always seemed so composed and down to earth. I wish him all the best.

  • You know he was good because after 21 seasons he still has all his fingers

  • OK , how many people who actually know the NEW Yankee Workshop, have built a project from his show ? Well if you havent then you most likely wernt a fan , I am a fan and yes I did build a project from his show I built 4 andriock chairs ,so that makes me a seasoned viewer , Thanks Norm !!!!!!!!!!!!!! My kids grew up with your show , and by the way my son is a custom craftsman and I think he kearned a lot from your show , so thanks again ! Happy trails , Bill

  • norm inspired me to do woodworking at 15 went to college then pretty much after regretted it! im glad i did it but its a shame flat pack furniture came along years ago because all youll do if youve got a garage is build something that will never sell either because it costs too much or isnt worth making in the first place. woods to much. i could be doing a whole lot worse but if i were to be an engineer its a lot better than digging holes and shit!

  • Norm is one of my greatest heros. I became a carpenter and a wood worker after i started watching " New Yankee Workshop " and " This Old House " as a 14-15 year old kid. I got into shop and building trades in school and now im a Licensed remodel contractor and i run a specialty woodworking shop as well. Thanks Norm!!

  • Well, you know what Norm always says: Alan Dreyer is the world's-most-brilliant desk maker.

  • For all those still interested, there are full episodes of the show on the website

  • I am also going to miss sitting down and watching New Yankee Workshop every week. Norm was such an inspiration to me as a teenager and even still today as an adult.

  • I think it was Norm's ability to show how easy it was to make something really nice by taking your time. Most of his stuff was not that difficult. I think he wanted it that way. You could actually make what you saw him make. Otherwise, what's the point.

  • @stevinmarin - Norm is gone and now we have is you. - Well, like I said, Norm is gone. lol

  • Ive watched him he started the show and even before with him in this old house with bob vila

  • Yeah, I always enjoyed the damn yankee workshop.  RIP Norm!

  • I'm not looking for fame or monetary riches. I pasted on that years ago when I chose to work mostly for myself. I would like to share my experience and skills in a simple to produce format on Youtube. I will need support from people, the types that respect a guy like Norm (although I could never live up to Norm's onscreen image). I would like to show the richness of the simple art of woodworking and I truly doubt corporate sponsors would back a wood artist teaching with very limited tools.

  • I ask for feedback here on your comment section for a couple reasons: one would be because you made a great testimonial to another simple man;s approach; your views are well over 40K; and because I would like comment from your viewers, also.

    I believe Youtube has great potential if we learn how to use its benefits.

  • Yes, Norm is a legend. No one could be Norm. I ask for your input, and it would help me very much to know what your impression is to what I have in mind:

    I was approached in the mid 80' to do a video series by Fine Woodworking. But rather, I chose instead to engage in the work. I fully appreciate what you said in this video about Norm. I can relate to the experience of a small shop but never had cable or TV, so I only watched a couple shows 20 years ago.

    So here is my idea:

  • he truly is a legend

  • You said it, Norm is "The Man". I've watched his show for years and will miss it. I am not a wood worker, and will never be, I just enjoy watching a master do it and make it look easy. I'd own all the videos his website sells if it weren't for the cost (around $6,300) . Maybe norm will put out season boxed sets @ $100~$120 each. Anyway, enough whining. Norm is the master of his craft and I wish him well and hope he brings back his show if he gets bored of retirement.

  • Do doves really have tails ? This is the stuff I want to know . Do you pocket hole your faceframes? Do chamfers stop finger slivers? Do ocsilating spindle sanders go up and down or do they go down and up? Do tennons go into the mortise or do mortises go around the tennons? Now that norm is gone who the hell is gonna answer all my questions?

  • @beeeeoch steve here or the wood whisperer or woodwerks, or books

    there is plenty of information out there

  • the woodwrights shop is also a very good how if u go to the website u can see the videos just type woodwrights into ur search bar

  • One time I put on some glasses and a plad shirt and went to my shop and pretended that I was norm . You know what happened ? ? ? . I did the best work of my life . You should try it . It works . The next day I went out to my shop as myself and I magically turned into a shitty woodworker again .

  • Norm Abram and the New Yankee Workshop should get a nobel prize...

    -Liam

  • i finally got all the old stuff he had and he goes out and gets the newest which sucked out loud

  • Norm is the man, I have been watching his shows "this old house" and "new yankee workshop" since I was probably 7 or 8 years old. He has been a mentor.

  • It's hard to add an original comment, Most people here already expressed what I feel about this gentle, humble And very skillful carpenter. There will never be another TV personality like Norm Abram. Till this day Flannel Shirts are all I like to wear. God bless and god speed Mr. "A"

  • Safety First?

    Norm always neglected one point of shop safety. Yes, he would always stop and take a moment to talk about shop safety, yet he never donned a pair of shooter’s muffs.

    At age 55, I have freakishly exceptional hearing. Genetics? Perhaps. But I know my hearing would not be what it is if I did not religiously wear hearing protection for anything louder than a power drill.

  • @elcheapo49 Depending on which tool he uses first in an episode, Norm would add at the end of the safety speech to use hearing protection when necessary.

  • Great video, I also enjoyed TNYW & TOH every Saturday mornings.

  • Aww man, I was wondering why I couldn't see NYWS anymore. I'm totally bummed.

  • @Lov2tinker Well that's a bizarre comment.

  • @stevinmarin Well you don't want your favorite woodcrafting tv show host to burn in hell for all eternity, do you? DO YOU??? :O

  • @Lov2tinker

    I don't care what he is in that regard. As far as I know, he is a good guy and that's all that matters.

    yeah?

    WL

  • @Lov2tinker

    I just hope you don't own any firearms.

  • @JurisArcane What's that supposed to mean?

  • @troyeckhardt

    Even if all christian theology were true, nothing can be gained or lost by discussing the eternal dwelling place of the soul. It means that a person who has the nerve to inquire about someone's spiritual condition after they are already dead, clearly isn't playing with a full deck of cards. All clear now?

  • @JurisArcane No, Pipsqueak, not clear at all. One, your first statement is a horrendous non sequitur. Two, Norm Abram isn't dead. And three, you will NEVER be in a position to condescend to me, so don't even bother to try. Don't address me again with this caliber of nonsense in Steve's comments.

  • @troyeckhardt

    Pipsqueak? You obviously know nothing of me, my accomplishments, or my education. Don't use terms like "non sequitur" when you obviously don't know what it means. My comment was about a person's inquiry into another person's spiritual condition, and thus I denoted the connection between such behavior and mental instability. My comment is not made a non sequitur simply because you make a subjective opinion of it being so, as a result of your inability to comprehend English.

  • @JurisArcane Au contraire; Mine's bigger than yours.

  • @troyeckhardt

    *Le Gasp*

    ..how uncivilized!

  • @troyeckhardt

    And as for "Steve's comments, caliber of nonsense, and condescension", I'll speak what I want, when I want. That's what it means to be free thinker who is tired of seeing religious beliefs hurled at the general public. Caliber, is again lol, probably not a word you should use. I may at one point, not have been in a position to be condescending towards you, but rest assured, you just put yourself there. If you don't like my peaches, don't shake my tree, genius :)

    Peace!

  • @JurisArcane Tee hee. Pokey pokey.

  • @JurisArcane Religious beliefs hurled at the general public? Give me a fukn break you brainwashed communist lemming, since when do they teach religion in schools, or "forcibly" put religion on you through television or whatever else? You're acting like this is the 60's or something, you need to come out your mom's basement. No one's forcing religion on you you need to chill out a bit.

  • @howiboy

    Uh yeah. I came to watch this video because it had woodworking on it (something I'm interested in), not read someone else's stupid bullshit about another person's "soul belonging to Jeeeeeeesus" (aka, something I'm not interested in). If the video title had been "random posters talk about video subject's salvation" I wouldn't have come.

    Keep your sexual habits, dirty secrets, and your fucking religion to yourself, where it belongs. We came here for woodworking.

    Make sense now?

  • @Lov2tinker I do too, but I'm not sure why you'd say that here and now.

  • @Lov2tinker Was your comment a Joke???

  • I miss Norm every Saturday morning and his cool chequered shirts. He was indeed a true master adn the inspiration behind my quest for perfection in my woodworking. Only Jesus was a better carpenter.

  • After a Saturday morning of horse riding, my my wife, daughter and I watched him. We also knew the "safety speech" word for word. My wife and I would also play the NYW drinking game; having a sip of beer whenever we heard 'squah', 'dado' or 'easing the edges', make bunny ears when we heard 'rabbit', etc.. We'd guzzle the bottle if there was new tool.

  • what a shame , looked forward to saturday mornings for new yankee workshop an this old house at least until steve left....thank you norm for those wonderful shows

  • I am 42 and Norm Abram is the Bob Ross of Carpentry!

  • @zigawarp

    Norm did make some happy little clouds of sawdust. : }

  • i was wondering why i hadnt seen it lately

  • What else can be said? Most of us feel the same way. Norm will be missed, and there is no one that can replace him. If it was not for The New Yankee, I never would have started in woodworking. If you watched this video and read the comments, thanks a million times over Norm.

  • I'm English and first saw this show when cable TV got started in the UK. I've loved it ever since and try and catch it whenever possible. Wonderful format and endlessly interesting. I'll really miss it - anyone know if the whole thing is on DVDs?

  • @boxferret

    I'd kill to buy the first couple of episodes from 1988.

  • when I went to trade school in Massachusetts, an instructor told us that if we had eyeglasses that bought in Mass, that they were rated as safety glasses, and we could work with those. I'm really not sure if that was true or what.

  • I MISS NORM....

  • I remember growing up in the 90s and watching the original version of "The This Old House Hour" where This Old House with Steve Thomas and Norm would be on first and then the New Yankee Workshop would come on afterward. As for filling the void there is another show on called The Woodwright's Shop (check your local listings) wit just as entertaining a guy as host.

  • I just discovered the show last month (im not American) and i’ve already seen about 15 seasons...but it saddens me to hear you say it’s cancelled. there’s not many men left like norm..you can see he's an absolute gent and i'll miss him after i get through season 21...thanks norm (and thanks for this video)

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  • Dead on man.

  • Very well said, Norm is great and very relaxing.

  • Oh man I used to love New Yankee Workshop when I was younger, I used to watch this show every weekend.

  • he has his reasons, but I will miss this mans great contributions to mine and millions of others.The best ever.I liked iy when he and Tommy got together on old house also.I'm old now but they made learning fun.I lost my old tapes in a house fire thank GOD I watched them many times .I hope NORM is well.He has the best techniques for wood and people.Peace to THE MAN>

  • Hi, I agree with all you said. I used to get home in time every Sat, to see my two favorite shows which aired back to back. The New Yankee Workshop, and The Woodwright's Shop. I really like watching Norm and Roy. Roy's still on, thank goodness, but the wood working show they replaced Norm with is really weak. After watching two episodes, I only tune in to watch Roy now. My favorite saying? I just don't understand it. No matter how many times I cut it, it's still too short.

  • I agree with you my brother, This was my most favorite tv show ever, I mean ever!

    It's almost like losing a loved one, you have lots of pictures but still...

    No matter what happened I always made time on Saturday afternoons to watch

    the show. I miss it bad!!!

  • When I was a kid, my dad took me to some woodworking expo and Norm was there. I don't remember the event, but apparently my brother and I, were in our parents arms shouting Norm! Norm! My father did get an autographed photo of Norm outside the New Yankee Workshop. I grew up and was never into woodworking much, but my brother did end up making a few very nice benches for his Eagle Scout project.

    Great Video, you summed up everything I think. I will say I like the show Nova, though.

  • Great vid... I feel like a part of me is gone with the show, I literally grew up with it and love watching it.

  • I'm gonna miss Norm too, but i'm very happy to come across your videos. there are plenty of woodworking videos all over youtube, but most are stiff and not very charismatic. you on the other hand have a real fun time filming in your two car garage with your less than up to date tools. you are, in my opinion, a poor man's norm abram. keep up the good work.

  • god bless norm abram and all who sail in him.

  • Norm should post some you tube videos :P

  • Look at it this way, 21 years of doing a particular show is a looong stretch. Not many other shows can claim that kind longevity, New Yankee was a smashing success no matter how you look at it. Oh, stevinmarin, Nova ain't all that bad of a TV show sometimes, you should give it a tr

  • Well I don't have a picture of him,But he's in my library of mags and yep he was a idol to me and helped me do what I do. We should all be happy he was there for so long and " hey Norm if your retiring God bless you. People call me a Artisan cause of you.

    jgwoodworks

  • my fav line is you can never have enough clamps

  • Now that Norm has retired and New Yankee Workshop is off the air, we really do need a new woodworking show for younger viewers and those just starting out today. At $25 each (on the NYW website), buying a complete set of plans and videos with all the tips & guidence from the old show would cost thousands.

  • I am pissed so bad that Norm has stopped his show. It makes me mad. He is the best ever. I am so pissed. Dammit!!!!!! Why!!!! It makes me so mad! Dammit.

    Why? He was the best!!! This is bull shit. I am working on a good mad right now. I might have to whip somebodys ass. Dammit.

    Norm, you da best baby. I love you!!!

  • Norm is a wood wizard, unlike me. I made a cherry dresser and it took me 6 months.

  • Thank you, Steve, I thoroughly concur. Saturdays on PBS are lackluster without Norm. I'm heartbroken, I've lost my guru. Norm Abrams should be formally recognized with a commendation as an American Icon who has contributed highly and effectively to the edification of American culture and education, and effectively rally PBS for the unrestricted re-runs of The New Yankee Workshop.

  • pretty nice tribute, thanks

  • i will miss his show

  • Very well said

  • Yea was a sad day for me when I heard it. After all Norm is Norm. I have watched and been inspired by him for 21 years, yes I am old. Like the song says the three men I admire most the father, son biut Norm the most, have took the last train for coast, the day his his saw died. We need to start a movement.

  • I just heard about it now, that's bad news.

    It's one of the best shows on tv ever, I'll miss it.

  • Thanks Steve,

    I agree. Hopefully Norm will see this, and understand how much we appreciate him.

    It seems the world is always after glamour, even in woodworking.

    New Yankee will aways be my favorite because it's about woodworking.

    Thank you Mr. Abram.

  • Love Norm!!!!!

  • Norm is a wood god

  • He's retiring not quitting I'm sure Norm not a quitter.I agree the work shop will be missed.WOW!

  • he will be missed

  • here here Steve!  and if ever he DOES watch the video - and want to come round for a beer - i'll bring the glasses!

  • your said it right, Steven... Norm always makes me work toward and believe that I can be a better woodworker. watching him is inspiring... thanks for all you've done, Norm... hey btw... this was a great video

  • wow, 21 years.

    I loved the program, but its always hard watching it on PBS since the time always changes. Always learned something.

    hope norm enjoys woodworking without the camera

  • this guy talks waaaaaaay too much

  • Bravo! Well said. Truly the end of an era. It's a sad thing, but you're right in saying there most likely isn't a place for a man or a show like the New Yankee Workshop today. . . one of the original reality shows!

    There's always re-runs.

  • Norms the best, and I learned quite a lot from his programes

  • If you have the money to buy the tools and gadgets,and have an excellant aptitude in math and plenty of patience,then you will be able to do a lot of these projects,that is if you have the discipline and yearning to tackle such projects,then it can be accomplished,but only,then. This Old House is another program to watch onPBS. Nova is another good program to view. Norm will be missed though,because he was very informative and entertaining,as well as educational.

  • Oh,and I forgot to mention,that you also have to budget a lot of your time,to be able to do those projects,let alone have time to eat and work,and find yet more hours in a day to be able to sleep, So-yes,he was talented and very disciplined to have such a show,and still be so successful at what he did. You also have to love what you do in life,to succeed to be good at it. He will be missed.

  • I don't think Norm is out of business. I think it was a personal choice. If you watch his message on his website he doesn't seem sad about it at all, big smile on his face. After 21 years doing the show I'm sure he's starting to think semi-retirement.

  • i can't believe the norm abram is out of bussines.

  • I've heard Norm is starting a new career: that of a pro wrestler. His ring name will be "The Ultimate Woodworker".

  • Wow! You nailed it! (no pun intended). If Norm watches/reads this, I totally agree with the video. I watched him every weekend with my two daughters, 9 and 10. We knew the "safety speach" word for word. He will be greatly missed. My father and I watched him together for countless years and would (jokingly) curse him at how easily he made "it" look.

    Thank you for the memories Norm. You are/will be, sorely missed.

  • A legend in his own time, what more can a person ask for except time and money to enjoy life. I hope he now has both. I understand he loves to fish, so I hope he catches the big ones.

  • i even know norm abram and ive never done woodworking in my life :D

  • Plate Joiner and beechwood biscuit sales have exploded since Norm started using them instead of dowels!

  • I was under the impression that Norm was the one scaling down his work-load. He'll still be on This Old House, but he's dropping the NYW. But now I'm curious, was the choice Norm's or was it due to lack of sponsorship?

  • Norm's show will be missed!

  • shame its ending they did not seem to show them here in the uk the last few years when they did it was the same ones evey time still a great show

  • Yes everybody will miss the show.

  • That somebitch (Norm) can make ANYTHING! I almost can't follow him anymore, even if I had the tools he has.

  • Amen! Love Norm and his show! I did not know he was ending it. Thanks Norm! I wish I had a 10th of your skill.

  • ditto

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