there is something which is not mentioned in most documentries , soviet airlift to egypt was almost useless ..most of it was food cans, kitchen rollers , administrative stuff ...etc (unlike the airlift to syria).. remember sadat expelled 1500 russian advisors in 1972 ..brejenev was not interested in a victory for sadat. ( though soviet union interfered to impose cease fire at the end,)
Last few words about RIP Anwar El Sadat, I visited 2 days ago during my trip in Egypt, in his grave, a smart person although im Israeli I appreciate that person, who looked for PEACE.
And im glad that we both can talk about this theme, and visit each other nation. I hope this peace will last for long long time,
and in fact I think that in Israel the painter won't praise the Egyptians Army.
Another point is that the information is about the first days of war, those days were the worst part of the war for the IDF, but on the later days the IDF succeded to upgrade it's status, another point is that the IDF didn't fought only in egypt, it fought in
After all of this introduction, I would like to write few words about this discussion.
First of all did you notice the number of "painted" Egyptians wounded or dead soldiers?,
I counted them, there was one or two wounded, on the opposite many of captive israeli soldiers, approx. 8 dead and many wounded, as well as destroyed IDF aircrafts, and IDF Armored Corps units, again, no egyptians units destroyed, now, just for a minute, think is that possible in such kind of war?
As a son of an IDF soldier who fought in the suez canal at the October War, and as a tourist who just came back yesterday from the Panorama to my home country ISRAEL, and as a citizen who is proud to serve his nation in the ISRAEL DEFENCE FORCE in one year approx. from now, my opinion isn't objective.
All the picture about the egyptian "victory" are painting. they can not show real pix from their "victory" because they had been defeated (once again). I want to see maps from the last day of the war hehehe...
"I want to see maps from the last day of the war hehehe... " , do you mean the maps at 22 october when at the FIRST cease fire , I mean before the israelis break it in order to surround the 3rd army?!!
or the maps after breaking the cease fire on 22 & again on 24 october. However , they couldn't even occupy a small city like Suez.
may be you should see the maps TODAY , I think you will find that ALL of sinai peninsula is in Egyptian hands , "hehehehe....".
To( dadar505 ) your comment aint 100% true those nubers arent right. And egypt won and held it´s ground. You culd say that the war were over on the egyptian front. Egypt defeated the Isrelis in sini. But the US did not allow it to continue so they shipped tanks and planes to Isr. Witch puched the egyptians back and they managed to surrund the 3rd army, So all History teller EVERIE ONE OF THEM will tell you that Isr lost, and it were an american victory, Still egypt got what it went to war for.
US didn't let Israel to compleat the egyptians defeat because of the oil boycott, watch the map of 24/10/73, it doesn't lie as the arabs do as a way of life.
US saved Egypt?!!!! It is the first time I hear that , USA Israelis many times during the war:
1- they replaced ALL the israeli losses with american newest weapons (that some of them even didn't enter the american army yet).
2-the americans provided the israelis with ALL informations needed and allowed them to use american satellites to know the positions of the egyptian troops on the west of the canal ,soviets didn't.
3-americans allowed Israelis to break ceasefire twice (on 22&24 oct)
Everybody knows, that there was nothing between the IDF and Cairo. "held it´s ground"?? do u know somthing about history? they were surrounded and beg for cease-fire.
but if it's make the defeat easier, keep it like that. The lie-culture is a character of poor and primitive country with no human rights like egypt and syria, which based on pitta and BAKSHISH, against high-tech educated democracy. "american victory" ok, keep lie for yourself and loose the next war (as usual).
"Everybody knows, that there was nothing between the IDF and Cairo." , really?!!
I remember that the "brave" israeli army tried to occupy a small city called "suez" on 24 and 25 october 1973 and they failed to get over the civilian resistance and small groups of egyptian soldiers , and you are talking about attacking the capital!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is only the first day of the war. Finally, Israel won the Arabs again, at the end of October war- 10.000 Egiptians and 5.000 syrians were killed and the IDF was just 101 Km from Cairo. The Egyptians beg for cease-fire (once again...).
ok , Mr. democracy , lets see about the western democracy: when anybody talk about the Halocaust or try to discuss the number of persons died in it , he go to jail immediatly , while when anybody starts to insult Muhammed or Islam , then he is the hero of free speech.....hahaha.....it really looks like democracy , hh?!! but at least write that your country is Israel , don't be ashamed.
My country is Israel and I said it many times before. the one who should be ashamed is you, and rightfully. Where r u from my dear? Egypt? where homosexual executed? where "king" Mubarak rules for lifetime? there is no law in Israel aginst dsiscussions about the halocaust, other countries in the west don't bother me as an Israeli.
What the fuck?? ODnt you have Tv´s in your homws ? your soldiers hates your countrey because you order them to kill children. You pilots hated your countrey after the lebanon war because you killed children and bombed buldings adn schools. DON`T YOU SEE THAT YOUR FUCKING ARMY IS LIKE THE GERMAN NAZI ARMY???? You act like Nazis and Lie like them. And your all blinded like them.
Israel is a real democracy, I know it's make you angry, but you should ask yourself why there are so many palestinians who chasing after the "blue card". they are willing to do everything in order to be israeli citizens.
there is something which is not mentioned in most documentries , soviet airlift to egypt was almost useless ..most of it was food cans, kitchen rollers , administrative stuff ...etc (unlike the airlift to syria).. remember sadat expelled 1500 russian advisors in 1972 ..brejenev was not interested in a victory for sadat. ( though soviet union interfered to impose cease fire at the end,)
sayedhamoto 3 years ago
Last few words about RIP Anwar El Sadat, I visited 2 days ago during my trip in Egypt, in his grave, a smart person although im Israeli I appreciate that person, who looked for PEACE.
And im glad that we both can talk about this theme, and visit each other nation. I hope this peace will last for long long time,
may the peace be with you.
"האדם שבטנק ינצח"
yony007 3 years ago
In the so-called Ramadan war/October war/Yom-Kippur war, there were a lot of losses, and hugh impact (spiritual impact) in Egypt & Israel.
yony007 3 years ago
what did the painter mention in this?
I don't excpect that this bulding the
"October War Panorama" will praise the IDF,
and in fact I think that in Israel the painter won't praise the Egyptians Army.
Another point is that the information is about the first days of war, those days were the worst part of the war for the IDF, but on the later days the IDF succeded to upgrade it's status, another point is that the IDF didn't fought only in egypt, it fought in
north israel against Syria.
yony007 3 years ago
After all of this introduction, I would like to write few words about this discussion.
First of all did you notice the number of "painted" Egyptians wounded or dead soldiers?,
I counted them, there was one or two wounded, on the opposite many of captive israeli soldiers, approx. 8 dead and many wounded, as well as destroyed IDF aircrafts, and IDF Armored Corps units, again, no egyptians units destroyed, now, just for a minute, think is that possible in such kind of war?
yony007 3 years ago
As a son of an IDF soldier who fought in the suez canal at the October War, and as a tourist who just came back yesterday from the Panorama to my home country ISRAEL, and as a citizen who is proud to serve his nation in the ISRAEL DEFENCE FORCE in one year approx. from now, my opinion isn't objective.
yony007 3 years ago
All the picture about the egyptian "victory" are painting. they can not show real pix from their "victory" because they had been defeated (once again). I want to see maps from the last day of the war hehehe...
dardar505 3 years ago
"I want to see maps from the last day of the war hehehe... " , do you mean the maps at 22 october when at the FIRST cease fire , I mean before the israelis break it in order to surround the 3rd army?!!
or the maps after breaking the cease fire on 22 & again on 24 october. However , they couldn't even occupy a small city like Suez.
may be you should see the maps TODAY , I think you will find that ALL of sinai peninsula is in Egyptian hands , "hehehehe....".
shifoooo 3 years ago 2
To( dadar505 ) your comment aint 100% true those nubers arent right. And egypt won and held it´s ground. You culd say that the war were over on the egyptian front. Egypt defeated the Isrelis in sini. But the US did not allow it to continue so they shipped tanks and planes to Isr. Witch puched the egyptians back and they managed to surrund the 3rd army, So all History teller EVERIE ONE OF THEM will tell you that Isr lost, and it were an american victory, Still egypt got what it went to war for.
IceSwe1245 4 years ago
US didn't let Israel to compleat the egyptians defeat because of the oil boycott, watch the map of 24/10/73, it doesn't lie as the arabs do as a way of life.
dardar505 4 years ago
US saved Egypt?!!!! It is the first time I hear that , USA Israelis many times during the war:
1- they replaced ALL the israeli losses with american newest weapons (that some of them even didn't enter the american army yet).
2-the americans provided the israelis with ALL informations needed and allowed them to use american satellites to know the positions of the egyptian troops on the west of the canal ,soviets didn't.
3-americans allowed Israelis to break ceasefire twice (on 22&24 oct)
shifoooo 3 years ago
Everybody knows, that there was nothing between the IDF and Cairo. "held it´s ground"?? do u know somthing about history? they were surrounded and beg for cease-fire.
but if it's make the defeat easier, keep it like that. The lie-culture is a character of poor and primitive country with no human rights like egypt and syria, which based on pitta and BAKSHISH, against high-tech educated democracy. "american victory" ok, keep lie for yourself and loose the next war (as usual).
dardar505 4 years ago
"Everybody knows, that there was nothing between the IDF and Cairo." , really?!!
I remember that the "brave" israeli army tried to occupy a small city called "suez" on 24 and 25 october 1973 and they failed to get over the civilian resistance and small groups of egyptian soldiers , and you are talking about attacking the capital!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
your commments are soooo funny , keep them
:-)
shifoooo 3 years ago
That is only the first day of the war. Finally, Israel won the Arabs again, at the end of October war- 10.000 Egiptians and 5.000 syrians were killed and the IDF was just 101 Km from Cairo. The Egyptians beg for cease-fire (once again...).
dardar505 4 years ago
hahahahahahahahahahahaa , jewish lies as usual.
shifoooo 4 years ago
isn't it true? where was the IDF at the last day of the war? how many egyptians die?
dardar505 4 years ago
aaaaaaah , really?!!
I think that the israelis who killed the Egyptian POWs in 1967 in terrible massacres are not so "humane" to let the 3rd army alive,hh?!!
check history , boy.
I mean the "true" history , not the "fabricated" zionist history.
peace
shifoooo 4 years ago
peace? arabs know something about peace ?
everywhere on the globe where you find muslims, you find terror.
And when israel win on the battlefield it's a "terrible massacres" when arabs suicide bombers are killing babies, they are "freedom fighters".
Well...keep live in your primitve country and i'll keep living in Israel.
dardar505 3 years ago
no idiot , israel is the nation of peace , hh?!!
are you living on Mars?!!!!
shifoooo 3 years ago
No dear, unlike most of muslims, I'm living in a democracy. it means that i can learn about real history and not only about brainwash like you.
dardar505 3 years ago
democracy?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok , Mr. democracy , lets see about the western democracy: when anybody talk about the Halocaust or try to discuss the number of persons died in it , he go to jail immediatly , while when anybody starts to insult Muhammed or Islam , then he is the hero of free speech.....hahaha.....it really looks like democracy , hh?!! but at least write that your country is Israel , don't be ashamed.
shifoooo 3 years ago
My country is Israel and I said it many times before. the one who should be ashamed is you, and rightfully. Where r u from my dear? Egypt? where homosexual executed? where "king" Mubarak rules for lifetime? there is no law in Israel aginst dsiscussions about the halocaust, other countries in the west don't bother me as an Israeli.
dardar505 3 years ago
What the fuck?? ODnt you have Tv´s in your homws ? your soldiers hates your countrey because you order them to kill children. You pilots hated your countrey after the lebanon war because you killed children and bombed buldings adn schools. DON`T YOU SEE THAT YOUR FUCKING ARMY IS LIKE THE GERMAN NAZI ARMY???? You act like Nazis and Lie like them. And your all blinded like them.
IceSwe1245 3 years ago
Israel is a real democracy, I know it's make you angry, but you should ask yourself why there are so many palestinians who chasing after the "blue card". they are willing to do everything in order to be israeli citizens.
dardar505 3 years ago
Nice video , God bless Egypt.
shifoooo 4 years ago