HIV/AIDS is a Bankrupt Paradigm

[konsti]

well spoken dartplayer170... we wont let them get what they want... not all are ignorant and do what they're told! HAART? FXXK yOU

[lilbromarky1]

Good video. I know people are dying but so far my anecdotal evidence taht i"ve uncovered is that aids shows up in young men who use hard drugs. That's only from my personal interactions of talking to people, but there's some merit to my findings. What I have not found out yet is if the men with hiv were worse or better off after beginnning their treatments with hiv meds. That is the question I want to pose. I think the scientists are too far down the wrong path and dont want to regress

[kennyeret]

HIV drugs give you AIDS

[bombonel1000]

cool man I agree with you, I think drugs are not of any use and that HIV and AIDS is just some elaborate scam to make some money from the uneducated suckers out there.

[dissidence101]

Thanks bombone.. Elaborate scam? Doubtful. Business as usual; most likely! Think "Bird-Flu" or America's newest or shall I say America's finest: "H1N1". Seriously.

[bombonel1000]

You know what the funniest part is? Most people think like this: " If so many specialists and practisioners and the media and the governemnt and everybody says that HIV kills then it must be true" FUCK! that is so wrong. I think it's wrong to look at the crowd and act like the crowd.

[bombonel1000]

They think that the people that think differently than the crowd are some paranoid freaks but the truth is that those "paranoid freaks" are thinking for themselves unlike the brainwashed morones who die every day thinking those pills will prolongue their life LOL!

[annie46664]

If only the IGNORNANT would catch a WAKE UP & learn the TRUE facts for a change ~ then this much calculated HOLOCAUST could finally end & precious lives saved for a change.

The biggest problem though, is that the PharMafia perpetrators & their greedy cohorts (many in politics) care less about those who are being targeted. They haven't the time of day for gays, that's clear, yet the majority of gays support & SWALLOW their evil CRAP, & as for Blacks, they haven't the time of night or day for!

[finefilth]

try the beck protocol....it works.........the medicines give you aids

[navyseal100]

Where is your medical degree..what are your sources?

[pinoyDissenter]

medical degree? why, are you going to ask him to diagnose you?

one not need be a scientist to question, all you need is a LOGICAL MIND that's free of AID$ Industry funding.

[dartplayer170]

Why do you need a medical degree to notice that HIV/AIDS has no cure after 25 years of research?

[dartplayer170]

Sure you can down thumb me ll you want but it doesn't change the truth. How many medical doctors have cured patients with AIDS???? I acknowledge the worth of professional advice but when the professionals have not found the answer, it is no longer logical to assume that they are correct!!!

[dissidence101]

Dart, Pay no attention to the rating system here. I feel sorry for the poor lost souls who don't get it. These would be the people who will refuse to see that indeed there's been nothing but failure after failure, drugs that do no good and vast billions spend on a dead and dying social marketing campaign and Drug pushers hell bent on keeping this way.

[lilbromarky1]

@dartplayer170 Even worse, how many hiv patients had the virus for years, were living well, and then took an hiv test, and their life went to shit soon after the diagnosis and treatment started? We need more studies and data that approach the source of aids as being caused by the aids drugs themselves. Good luck getting funding for that project though.

How convenient, a new "virus" shows up in 1981 that kills drug users and homosexuals. Gee, why would anyone want to hurt this segment

[dissidence101]

@lilbromarky1 -- It's called involuntary social programing. The truth does not matter. What matters is the message, but from what I've leaned, but there is hope, for only if the people exit the systematic indoctrination and stop going to the church that AIDS built.

[yimtang9]

I don't see anything wrong about this aids debates. we need more ppl to point out n questioning about the current aids issues. when ppl say aids industry, I didn't quite understand what it mean...but now, I kind of does.

[Reggieworth]

"we need more ppl to point out n questioning about the current aids issues"

totally

its completely unscientific to close the door on possibilities

no doubt hiv is a virus that causes problems, but weather or not its the only factor is still debatable... furthermore, until the 'black label warnings' come off the treatments, people should not be vilified for refusing treatment & attempting their own cures

it would be AWESOME is some hippie naturalpath figured out the cure eh?

[womanintheworld]

Cures have indeed already been found.

[dissidence101]

Assumptions built on assumptions! Fact; Silvestri and Feinberg summarized in 2003 the latest speculation that HIV causes AIDS not by killing T-cells but by over-stimulating the immune system. They inforrm us that, "Prevailing views...have shifted from models that focus primarily on direct HIV-mediated killing of CD4+ T cells to models that emphasize the pathogenic role of generalized immune system activation." In other words, HIV no longer causes AIDS by killing our immune cells. Look it up.

[jffryfnt]

If that was trully the case, then explain the prevalence of opportunistic infections in AIDS patients eh?

[dissidence101]

The very first website link on this video is suggested reading for those people like you Jeffery. Contained therein are numerous citations and examples to what you ask for above and details to why you've been mislead. Example: Tyndall MW et al. Intensive injection cocaine use as the primary risk factor in the Vancouver HIV-1 epidemic. AIDS. 2003 Apr 11;17(6):887-93. There's more. In the pull down science section. Go there. Learn something. Be sure to read the "List of Retinkers" too.

[HIVVideos]

he was refferring to our wonderful new WEATHER girl Terror Smith and ABBY the ERV theorist. I think we should mock everything they write in all seriousness because they are the Denialists with a capital P!

[Focoist911]

Thats because they have used up all their T-cell. Maybe even exhausted the organs responsible for their production. Just like if you are an alcoholic you will shoot your liver.

[Focoist911]

Mate, they have anal sex with dozens of men each week - attacking their immune system. Then they do immune depressant Party Drugs all week. Their health is screwed just like junkies. 2+2. 0

[Focoist911]

Also consider that the immunisations the gay community was subjected to. And the vaccinations all over the country.

[Focoist911]

the amyl nitrate they typically use in all the orgy parties is an immuno-depressant. So if you are attacking the immune system with anal sex and yet running down your body on party drugs, especially with amyl nitrate, then here we have a totally different situation than you refer to.

[TheLogicJunkie]

My main complaint about the original GRIDS population is that they apparently were told about the likelihood that their incessant use of street and sex drugs were the cause of their immune collapse, but they violently rebuked that idea.

Instead, they got a campaign of cloying comiseration that blamed all their problems on a virus, rather than their toxicity behaviors, and they were quite happy with participating in that dramatic sham, even when it included poisoning themselves.

[TheLogicJunkie]

And so, partly due to their own denialist, addictive fanaticism, they doomed the rest of the world to fraud "science" and involuntary, unbeknownst poisoning... all in order to chase a boogeyman virus that was largely invented as a moneymaking smooth-over.

[dissidence101]

Of course one doesn't need a deadly invasive mutating sexually transmitted virus to explain any of it. For those who don't know, all one has to do is watch the film documentary "Gay sex in the 70's" to find out aside from massive drug use, that the rampant sexual promiscuity would certainly be enough to manifest illness and disease states... but no no no.. we needed a virus explaination. And now for 25 years, we have HIV and no one still knows how it's supposed to kill T cells. - Go figure.

[jffryfnt]

Your argument comes from your total ignorance of the science. You think that science is some religion that is based on faith and beliefs? Science is the antithesis of faith and beliefs, it is based on evidence and observation. HIV causes a disease which effectively destroys T-cell mediated immunity in your body. Which leaves you open to MANY opportunistic infections. If for some reason logic escapes you, don't blame the science, blame your own indifference to scientific methods.

[dissidence101]

jffryfnt,

Funny you should say all those things, especially when science has yet to fulfil or explain how HIV cause Tcell depletion. Don't you think in 25 years they'd have gotten it right or have concrete answers by now? Let alone be able to prove beyond a doubt that HIV can and does all they say it can do? You should read the science section of the Alberta Reappraising AIDS Society's web site. It will do you a lot of good.

[jffryfnt]

Oh really, and I suppose you're an active researcher in the area of HIV infection, yes? If so, then clearly you are aware of this old paper: J Clin Invest. 1991 May;87(5):1710-5. Cited more than 200 times, detailing a mechanism of T-cell death. The evidence that you rely upon, or lake thereof, is based on ancient questions that have been long resolved by science.You're making a mockery of science and you have no part in science,so what gives you any credibility to what you have to say about it?

[dissidence101]

Doesnt matter who I am. What matters is the fact you're intrinsically brainwashed. See Below. Silvestri G, Feinberg MB. Turnover of lymphocytes and conceptual paradigms in HIV infection. J Clin Invest 2003,112:821-824.

[jffryfnt]

brainwashed eh?? hehe....i work in immunology. :-)

[dissidence101]

So like that excuses you? Please my friend - click you heals 3 times and repeat after me: "HIV the virus that causes AIDS" - "HIV the virus that causes AIDS" - "HIV the virus that causes AIDS"

[jffryfnt]

What's wrong man...are you scared?

[dissidence101]

Scared of what?

[jffryfnt]

the truth.

[dissidence101]

Jesus Christ. He we go again. Jeffery is the big old bad ass protector of the truth! Sorry, but scared is not a part of my vocabulary.

[jffryfnt]

Apparently you are. Apparently you falsely allege that there's a conspiracy here.

[dissidence101]

There's no conspiracy Mr Jeff, simply because there's no need for one. Was SARS a conspiracy? Was Bird Flue a conspiracy? NAH.. more like follow the leader and see how many BILLIONS we can sink into dead dying bull shit idea. You'll never hear or see me supporting conspiracy theories, because more precisely it's all about BUSINESS as USUAL!

[jffryfnt]

You're paranoid and delusional.

Read here for a primer, and take a second look at your stance:

Search 'HIV Denial in the Internet Era' found in PLoS Medicine.

[rpdigital17]

This article is only attacking. Claims that "Al-Bayati gets $100/hour for his denial" Who is funding HIM? They must be kidding! There are only few scientists vs The Global Fund propaganda engine.

There is no single EM-picture of the virus, still everyone fears a ghost. Use your brain and you will get the point, why there cannot be such a "invisible-10-years-sleeping-r­apidly-mutating-virus". It has 9-10 genes according to the orthodoxy, so it could not be so complicated and mutating. THINK!!

[Klaa2]

It's a real mess. How could anybody have fallen for it ? The disclaimers on the HIV antibody tests state that there is not even a standard for establishing weather or not HIV is present in human blood. How could so many people have fallen for so much bullshit for so long ?

[dissidence101]

Klaa, the saddest part of it all, is gay men and black people are targets and they're still stepping right on up to the death and dying clinics for a fraudulent HIV TEST. - Go figure?

[Klaa2]

Like Jews into the cattle-cars, these are the days of our lives.

[tyrexden]

did you know its scientificially proven that witch doctors could point at an enemy and declare them to die, and that person WILL die soon, maybe in a few days, or even hours. The 'victim' believes it so much, that their body ceases to function.

imagine the gassy feel you have in your stomach before a meeting. Your mental state causes physical effects in your body. Now imagine what your body will do when a doctor tells you are going to die and you choose to believe him?

[jackmoncarsz]

Unfortunately, these scientists are wrong. My boy friend quit the pills after reading extensively about their views. He had always taken enormous good care of his health, no drugs, hardly any alcohol, no smoking. Yet after one and a half year he nearly died of PCP-pneumonia. Now he is back on the pills and doing fine.

[dissidence101]

Dear Jack, You're 18. How could you possibly know all there is to know? The fact is you don't. You rely on misguided information and substantiate it by vague details of a lover's illness. Please go ask his doctor to isolate pure uncultured virus from him and not some dubious surrogate markers. Then when that's done, come back and prove it to me and everybody else. Please. Thank you.

[Focoist911]

Reckless lifestyle. I don't have a problem with homosexuals, but they must admit it is counter evolutionary and therefore not be surprised that this practice is health dangerous. Even using a condom is prone to danger - your hands touch the condom. You put he condom in your ass. The ass isn't made for that. And then also there was a fad in the scene to use amyl nitrate drug - the drug is an immune system killer. So they do lots of drugs and they get AIDS. AIDS is not contagious.

[dissidence101]

Anal sex is no more dangerious today then it was in Michaelangelo's time. Hetros engage in it too and there's no hetro pandemic. You are right that it is not a contangious entity.

[Focoist911]

Did they typically use alot of the immuno-depressant Amyl Nitrate sex-drug in Michaelngelo's time? No? In combination with repeated attacks on the immune system through anal sex? And given that in older days, homosexuality was so taboo and illegal, do you imagine it was widely common for 100 men to have massive orgies all week on amyl nitrate with dozens of different penises up them in one week?

[Focoist911]

There is a small group of people who control the world. So obviously we will have outrageous insanity pushed on us as cogent. Because a small group can go nuts and they will and did. We need democracy. 9/11 is another insane story that was pushed on us as true when obviously a desperate jew attempt to maintain their power on the world. I blame the jews for all this.

[dissidence101]

Focoist, although while 9/11 is plausible, a gov. cover-up conspiracy regarding HIV is most likely NOT the case, because this debacle follows bad science from the get go with everybody buying into the only thing of some week correlation . All people have to do is wake up from the trance and Hiv/Aids will become extict and/or be downgraded to the likes of high cholesterol.

[raku217]

tertiary syphilis

[dissidence101]

One theory is , Google: "Tony Lance" & "intestinal dysbiosis" for an explanation of fact that the most severely ill gay men, those who experience full-blown AIDS come down with disease and convincingly why gay men often test "HIV"-positive, and why that is associated with the whole spectrum of health and illness, so that there is often a correlation between the severity of the dysbiosis, the probability of testing "HIV"-positive, and the likelihood of developing "AIDS".

[dissidence101]

Outside of a major epidemic of crystal meth abuse in gay sub-culture, there's been references made to untreated syphilis in a large percentage of the men that become that severely ill. Remember AIDS is way far behind heart disease in the number of lives it takes each year, gay or straight. You dont need to have any AIDS disease to become a statistic, just low T-cells. BTW - it's reported 60% are gay men not 80. That way they can maintain a hetero pandemic scare.

[HIVDISSIDENT]

I [personally] do not believe people 'get' or 'catch' CONstructs,whether we call it GRIDS or AIDS. I have observed how the CDC/NIH/WHO have defined and re defined the syndrome. AIDS is a "to do list" or "category" {surveillance tool} of OLDer problems NOT a disease. We also have to consider the thousands of people who have been given the diagnosis of AIDS with a negative_dubious_antibody_test­. GRIDS/AIDS without HIV.

[HIVDISSIDENT]

Well im an HIV Atheist. My personal theory is to get treated for an illness you have[at present] not 30 other illnesses that they 'think' HIV may or may not cause in the future.

[HIVDISSIDENT]

No the one question is why the Government(s) and $cientists have never given us a 'diagnostic' test to confirm the presence of the [phantom] HIV in human beings.. never mind the CDC's pacman theory we all know that HIVAIDS Drugs deplete T cells. T cells do flucuate continuously all of the time..every day.

Herpes and other conditions would be a better candidate for causing the CDC's bogus CONstruct.[AIDS]

[HIVDISSIDENT]

Actually you are immune to the Herpes symplexes thats why it lies dormant and surfaces periodically in most who have it, furthermore, Herpes would be a better candidate at causing what the Orthodox defines as 'AIDS' but AIDS/GRIDS are both just a CDC CONStruct not a infectious viral syndrome. Herpes has cell killing mechanisms when retroviruses don't, yet Herpes has never been shown to cause Immune supression in anyone.

[dissidence101]

Glad to have your comments wanaquian!

[dissidence101]

That's remarkable, you say that. This science correlation you speak of is purely coincidental, based on very poor epidemiology and tones of anecdotal evidence. Imagine for a minute that an unhealthy lifestyle plus the voodoo hex of a bogus virus can do to a person's immune system. Then couple that with toxic chemo drugs. Also remember AIDS is an acronym for 30 separate illnesses said to happen 10/15 years after, whereas herpes is distinct in it's symptoms causation and epidemiology.

[jtheis6]

are u saying that hiv does not exist; or, that hiv does not equal aids?

[dissidence101]

HIV is a reductionist model that has failed. When absolutely no tests for HIV whatsoever can detect actual whole infectious virus, how can mere antibodies cause disease? Antibodies to any other condition means you're immune to it, but for HIV, no no no.. it's different. Bull shit in the 1st degree, don't ya think?

[gangurobitch]

Are you a doctor?