Acts 2:38 is still God's plan of salvation. The Jews, Gentiles and Samaritans all came the same way. It's a supernatural birth. In the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses shall every word be established. The church is still here and God hasn't changed his plan. The church is under the age of grace. Jesus walked under the age of law. The thief on the cross was under the age of law. We all have to be born again into the church. It's more than just saying i believe. Type in "APOSTOLIC PRODUCTION"
@rossdaboss1959 . Mark 16:16 says, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Not believing shall be damned. It didn't say "not believing AND not being baptized shall be damned."
God's plan of salvation didn't change in the OT and NT. It was always salvation for those who put faith and belief in God. Many in the OT were saved, helped, and prayers answered, yet not water baptism, but by genuine belief in God (spiritual baptism) 1 Cori 12:13
@reynandvalenzuela There's too many scriptures on baptism to block it out. Jesus started his church on Pentecost. God deal with ages or dispensations. Proof Ephesians 1:10, 2:6-9, 3:5-6, 21. Colossians 1:26-27. Baptism scriptures, Acts 2:38, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16. 1 Peter 3:21, Romans 6:3-6, Galatians 3:27, Colossians 2:12, 1 Corinthians 12;13. The actions is in the book of Acts. It's a real Holy Ghost experience. Look at what the bible shows n says. U will be judged by it.
@k0smon Sorry we can't pick n choose. God deals with salvation in different ages. The church is our age to get saved under grace. Let me show u that God deals with ages or dispensations. Do u think God set up the church for nothing where Jews, gentiles n Samaritans all came in? Ephesians 1:10, 2:6-9, 3:5-6, 21. Colossians 1:26,27. I told u the truth, but it's up to u to do what u feel is right. Check out, Apostolic Productions, on here for more. It's worth it! Eternity is forever.
If you look deeper into the history, how the Bible was written, 1000's archeological findings that match and was found via the Bible, and all the attributes that make the Bible different from any other book, you'd see how the Bible could never have been written alone, without the assistance of the Divine Creator.
Here's a vid with more details also by reynandvalenzuela: / watch?v=Ll9LN79gB3M
P.S. Near Death Experience is a facinating topic/subject. Perhaps interesting to look into if you try to get an idea of how it might be if you die. Ofcourse i wouldn't dare to say its all true but that is not the point. People can make there own mind after reading/listening certain things.
But besides what i just said, I personally believe in a Divine Creator. Perhaps not the same as portraited in the Holy Bible but maybe partly. I just wouldnt know. But my feelings tell me there is more to this world (then meets the normal eye. hahaha) then the Pragmatic,scientific view of this world. There are certain things we just cant comprehend with our simple in the box thinking brain/mind.
What truly helps in the neverending queste for truth is Philosophy !
What we do know is that the Catholic Church has alot of knowledge stored away, wich practically no1 can look into. So in short: People could have meddled with the ''holy'' texts of the bible.
2: Now correct me if im wrong: But the thing about the Evolution theory is in fact that it is still a ''Theory'' ! Now what was it again about theory's ? That it is still not 100% proven to be true. Right ? Becouse if a theory is proven to be a 100% true it wouldnt be called a theory anymore right ?
In this time of confusion, i think its only reasonable to assume that we just dont know what is true or not ! Just try to live your life good and do the best you can in all situations. Why cant we accept these different ways of beliefs/thinking ? 1: Who knows what men has done to the writings of the bible. The Chatholic Church has a dark history of evil/violance, destroying knowledge and kill innocent peoples with an open mind and thurst for knowledge.Maybe/perhaps some texts have been altered ?
You Christians realize an all knowing god holds you accountable for sins he knew you would commit before he created you. Then orders you to repent or you will suffer in hell forever. He knew before you were created if you would repent of sins he knew you would commit. Kind of like kissing up to the mafia capo, do what I tell you or I'll kill you. P.S. I LOVE YOU.
Listen Dick Shits. Regardless of how much you believe, how broad your faith is, how egotistical you are; or even if your belief system/systems stems from a book, does not automatically make your opinion "Truth." You've forgone common sense and almost 8000 years of scientific and cosmological progression for a man trifled book. That doesn't make your christian words magical. If anything it just makes you people look like bobble headed sheeple. Enjoy your redundant hokey poky horse shit. Amen.
that's really amusing, because usually most people in this country who spout off hot air, and preach about everyonelses' sins, and brimstone and fire, are usually the first ones in line for the deep-fat-fryer.
that stereotypical southern christian preacher hypocrit will at long last know what it's like to be deep fat fried like the chicken he just had for lunch.
What a wonderful God that loves us so much that he would allow his own Son to die in our place. All he asks is that we turn from our dis-belief and sinful ways and follow Him. There is no Love greater than that. The end of the world as we know it is approaching. The bible tells us the signs to watch for to know when it is close. So many of you say there is no God and yet His prophecies in the bible are and have been fulfilled over and over. Check out the Bible for yourself. Read John.
@mikerodeman "The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good." - Psalm 14:1
@mikerodeman Yeah. Um. You won't say that on the Day of Judgment when you are encircled by a host of angels, and your feet can barely hold you up as you face the One who will decide your eternal fate. You will meet Jesus in either this life or the next.
"The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good." - Psalm 14:1
I don't believe in HELL. The whole concept is absurd. That's like me strapping a bomb around your chest and telling you to love me, give me money, worship me etc. And if you do those things that the bomb won't go off but if you don't then you will blow up and die. However, I'm not forcing you to do anything you don't want to and I"m giving you free will to choose. When you don't obey and the bomb blows you up, I tell you that I didn't kill you that you committed suicide because you had free will
I laugh at people who say god is dumb, or an ass, because I will have the final laugh. You people bash on my god because you have nothing better to do with your lives , but when your done posting that comment 3 hours from now, you think nothing of it. But when judgment day comes, all in all you WILL burn in hell, and there is no getting around it. 8 years from now when your in hell you will think back on your stuborn attitude with sorrow and pain.
@LegoWorldCrisis LMAOOOO. I'm glad it makes you feel better to envision people who disagree with you burning for eternity. You sound like a really stable person. And sadly, when you're dead and rotting in the ground for eternity, you will have no consciousness to acknowledge that you were wrong.
It dosen't make me feel better. Its actually pretty sad. but you know whats IRONIC? is that when you die, ( unless you convert) you will be concious to see your mistake by burning eternaliy. So you'll have to actually face your own retardism. Down-side is i cant be there to rub it in your face.
@LegoWorldCrisis You know, you CLAIM that, and yet somehow your claim is so unconvincing that I'm willing to risk my eternal soul that you're wrong. Have fun with your Legos.
@MercuryRis . God measures the heart of repentance, and does not weigh good vs badl deeds; if God weighed our good vs bad, we will NEVER outweigh our bad deeds.
@reynandvalenzuela so if its just accepting Christ, then why s there a judgement? This is my issue with Christianity, its all about how bad, dirty and evil we are. But Jesus erases that. Dont you think we should ask those we HURT for forgiveness? This is an awful way Christians justify their bad behavior. I can be a huge asshole but if Im saved Im going to heaven...piss on you. Thats why they do such awful things. They need to take personal responsibility and hand it to an obscure diety.
@MercuryRis . if u were a huge asshole, then chances are u really aren't "saved". ppl who r truely "saved" desire to follow Jesus.
u can have issues with Christianity, but in the end, if it is true, ur issue wouldn't matter. the same way, i have issues with my chemistry teacher, but that doesn't nullify the physical properties of chemicals.
we all have responsibiilities to sin, Jesus took care of eternal punishment. we still have to face earthly consequences.
@MercuryRis But how so? if the doctor you used in your other hytpothetical comment really WAS having dbouts and was confused, god would show him the way. as long as your open to it, he WILL NOT let you die until you are shown the way. He is in charge of your life, and if you are REALLY open to finding god, He will let you life 500 years if thats what it takes to reedem your soul.
@MercuryRis no, you have it all wrong. This doctor can save many lives, but EVERYONE is given the chance to redeem themselves at one point or another before death. This same doctor could be accepted into gods heart just days after quiting his job as a doctor, and going on a masacre at an elementary school killing innocent children. So how is this god an ass? He gives EVERYONE a chance no matter how horrible you have been or will be and still forgives you... thats an ass? think about it...
So... God paid with himself.. to himself... for crimes that I did... that he already knew I was going to do when he made my ancestors (lol, omniscience) so that I will not end up in a pit of endless torment, which he created.
It's a good thing that I have free will so that I can choose to not accept the brutal, sadistic monster that you worship as my lord.
Oh, one other thing. If our sins have been paid for why do we still need to accept jesus? He's already absolved me of my guilt but if i don't say thak you I still have to be punished? This has never made sense to me.
I have repeated the"what do you think/make of personal responsibility"thing a few times now but this is simply because your(attempts at)answers were basically inadequate.
How could you possibly not know that what you proselytise is fundamentally immoral?
Ignorance is no excuse and if you truly believe that I am in fact wrong I want to know EXACTLY why !!!!(a fair question I think!)
This video is full of horrible nasty deluded lies!
The immorality of this kind of religious faith should sicken anybody who knows the first thing about ethics!
Even those who have been brainwashed by this rubbish since they were kids should at least(in the privacy of their own minds)realise that there is something very wrong with all of this!
For fuck sake,just be honest with yourselves about what is truly right and wrong!
Forget God and or religion and just be good & do right just because!
(cheeky comments aside)I do understand that you actually do believe this stuff and that you do mean well when you warn me of hell and damnation.
So I do genuinly thank you for the caring spirit in which your warnings are meant!
However,I think it only fair to be totally honest with you and state that I have absolutely no doubt that you have clearly been brainwashed by the particular wing of faith to which you subscribe.
I think you are a victim of religious indoctrination!
A quote from one of my favourite movies!Beavis and butt-fuck(oops I meant head)
But I still to this day do not know what TP was.(actually the rest did not make too much sense either but tp was the bit that really troubled me!)
We have an anti-septic called TCP over here in the UK and I thought maybe that was it but......well.......like I said any feedback would be apreciated(even if the truth is that it was probably just total nonsense.)
As I've now probably commented for maybe a bit too long on this thread,I'll leave you all here for now but you(and any other theistically inclined individuals)could do worse that to reflect upon your chosen beliefs(maybe cross reference them with others of both past and present)and just think about how lightly any of it is!
To put it very,very simply - vicarious redemtion is hugely immoral!(and if you have trouble understanding why then you are quite simply not a very ethical person!)
To give a simple(and maybe a tad silly anology or a parable if you will.)
(it's OK I am not developing a Christ complex,this is merely an example!)
If(as a kid)I was to steal money from my fathers wallet and my younger brother,knowing he was too young to be punished as harshly as I would be(I'de be beaten with a belt where as he would just get a quick slap)chose(out of the goodness of his heart)to take a slap so I would not be beaten with a belt.
Not nescessarily a great example but my point is that no matter who(be it jesus or whoever)takes the punishment for your wrong doing,ultimately you still did the wrong and it is YOU who deserves whatever punishment would be justly fitting!
Vicarious redemtion is wrong(for the reasons I have expressed and probably a few more that I just did not think of!)
Where's the justice in putting ones sins onto another and(therefore)getting off scott free?
Vicarious redemtion of sin(in any form )is NOT moral!
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time(is one way of putting it)
Unless you are sociopsychopathic or somehow mentally deranged and not in that case responsible for your own actions,then your conscience should dictate that you cannot put your "sins"onto another.
Just take responsibility for any wrong doing yourselves & face up to the punishment!
I'll say that sadly(in the real world)the punishment does not meet the crime(It can be either way too mild or far too harsh!)
But this does not escape the general principal that in an ideal world(one that either an all powerful benevolent God might in fact create or just,regardless of any deitys a fair world)justice would be done!
Justice would not be the guilty getting away with their crimes by throwing their respective sins on(in the Christian case)Jesus(or a Goat"scapegoat")in older times.
How much of life can you really enjoy when thereis uncertainty of the afterlife lingering? Would one enjoy security more?
Science is great. It actually brings us closer to the Creator. Science is like a set of computer program codes, and we are the person in the ie. video game, only limited by the codes. God wrote the code for physics. notice how physics, calculus, chemistry, pro and stats, biology, pharmakokenetics, are all mathematically related.
" notice how physics, calculus, chemistry, pro and stats, biology, pharmakokenetics, are all mathematically related."
In a word - YES!
This is because they were all devised by men(clever men no doubt but men none the less!)not by a God(of anykind!)
reynandvalenzuela - Does Darwins theory of evolution trouble you at all and what do you make of the general consensus of the scientific community these days?
What's your opinion on the obvious conflict between the two?
@RandomVortex the conflict between the two, faith and "modern science" is this: modern science is also faith, because they are trying to explain history at a time when no human nor camcorder was around, just like Biblical faith.
science should NOT be used to explain history. Science by definition is: observance of things that can happen again and again, and how it works. darwinism is historical and cannot be observed agin and again. (which they tried to observe, via space programs)
You sound like you've bought into(or sadly,more than lightly been consciously & purposefully brainwashed with)some rather poorly thought out religious fundamentalist propaganda.(which I think is a shame!)
Science is simply the unending and honest search for truth!(no more no less)and deserves every bit of respect that it justly gets!!!!
Give me your honest appraisal of the scientific method(with all of its cross referencing and peer reviews etc.)& try to paralelle that with the flimsy excuses for"evidence" that those of the Christian far right(I'm afraid it's just really obvious that you have had your mind ruined by that particular bunch!)or any religion use.
I do not think religious thought begins to compare with scientific method!
It does not encourage self enquiry as this will inevitably lead to the exposure of falsehoods!
I hope you do not think that I intend to patronize you or anything when I say that,I do not think that you fully understand how evolution works.(it is a beautifully simple and elegant process but many people get confused about some of the finer points.)
Just read up on this particular subject(as it would be unfair of me to argue the point when I suspect that you are probably missing more than a few of the facts.)
All I ask is that you look into this subject a bit more fully!
@reynandvalenzuela "science should NOT be used to explain history. Science by definition is: observance of things that can happen again and again, and how it works. darwinism is historical and cannot be observed agin and again. (which they tried to observe, via space programs) "
I take it you have heard of extrapolation and in light of this would you maybe reconsider your outlook?(given that science uses this tool often.)
@RandomVortex:mankind did not devise the value's of pi, speed of light, relationships between velocity and acceleration, or gravity, or relat'nshps bwteen current and voltages, etc. mankind only discovered them and labeled them.
However I do not see how this would lead one to surmise that some kind of anthropomorphic superbeing was responsible.
Ok,of course we(humans)merely discovered(some of)the many constants of the universe and as you(kind of)say,used mathematics to measure them.
The fine tuning argument for your particular stance is indeed one of the most compelling but again(I have to say that)I see no inference of an anthropomorhic GOD type of character.
"mankind did not devise the value's of pi, speed of light, relationships between velocity and acceleration, or gravity, or relat'nshps bwteen current and voltages, etc. mankind only discovered them and labeled them."
Darwin's theories and all of the scientific consesus doesn't bother me because the more you know about science, the more you realize that there is a Creator in existence. like mt rushmore, the more complex it is, the more you realize that there is a creator behind it, even though you never met the scultor of mt rushmore.
@reynandvalenzuela - "like mt rushmore, the more complex it is, the more you realize that there is a creator behind it"
(Again,I'm afraid)I'm gonna have to insist that you read up on(and try to fully understand)the actual mechanism of evolution by way of natural selection.
The bottom line is,if you were to do this you would quite simply not be able to make your little Mt Rushmore analogy as you would realise it simply does not work!
I implore you to just take an honest(unbiased)look into this!
Well,there is little uncertainty(in my mind at least)as to what death will bring,as far as I can tell(due to all the available evidence)that is.
Unadulterated,endless nothingness(Oblivion if you will.)
It would appear we shall all return to the state of affairs that was so before we where born/concieved etc.
I personally will miss life(despite its many faults!)but I still can not bring myself to believe in obvious falsehoods in order to make the truth sting less!
Vicarious Redemtion, I have no problem with it. If I was speeding, and my brother offered to pay the ticket, fine. Or if I pay for my wife's ticket, fine. In the Old Testament, God illustrated payment of sin through animal sacrifices. sin must be paid for by blood (Lev 17:11). but Christ's sinless blood, was enough to pay for (at the time) sinless-Adam's sin.
My point is(even if you had paid your brother or wifes speeding tickets)this does not make them exempt from guilt.
They were still the ones speeding.(and therefore guilty.)
I'm sure you must have some concept of personal responsibility,guilt and simple conscience.
To put a more extreme case to you - if I was to murder,rape & torture a few thousand people but you could pay the judge at my trial to let me off,would this be ethical?(See my point?)
yes i see your point. this is where "grace" comes into Christianity. Grace - obtaining what you don't deserve. We don't deserve to be pardoned from our sins. we deserve to pay for our sins ourselves. but that's how Christ intervened, so that we don't have to pay for it.
as far as personal responsibility, that is the very purpose of religion: to make up for our sins/misdemeanors. But only in Christianity, they admit that there is NO WAY you can make up & take responsibility for ALL your sins.
to some people, it wouldn't be ethical to see someone pay for another sin. that's from human logic. In God's logic, God the judge (is lenient) in the sense that either you OR someone can pay for your wrongs.
I understand what original sin is supposed to be,obviously because i do not believe in any of this stuff it sounds completely potty to me but I get the idea(kind of.)
"sin must be paid by blood" started in Leviticus 17:11. so that idea has been around for over 3500 yrs. thus sounds primitive but Christ's blood ended that ritualistic cleansing.
i'm not going to try to force you into Christianity. i don't want u in hell either. I just try to explain what i know. but for eternities sake, pls don't take death lightly. if there is a judgement after life, be ready. Seek and ye shall find. (I'll pray for you.)
anyone with a brain will know this is total BS. You shouldnt have to love him and worship him and base your life off religion. live a good life, have fun. life dosent last that long. the afterlife is non-existant. it is technically IMPOSSIBLE to have that sort of thing happen. churches corrupt free will. try buddhism, if great. im 15 and it makes a hell of a lot more sense, and dosent sond COMPLETELY retarded.
I am? Well, if you say so, then it must be true, huh?
Next time, please 'reply' to me. The only reason I saw your comment here is because I came to check to see if anyone else was saying anything. If you 'reply' to me, it will show up in my mail and I'll know that you commented.
By the way. What denomination are you? 7th. Day Adventist? Church of God 7th Day? CGI, ICG? the old WCG and one of their offshoots?
Me... I'm sort of a partial calvinist/armenian/universalist heretic.
I'm going to hell. Oh no, not Michigan! The pathetic thing about Christianity is that someone can do as much garbage as they want, and as long as, before they die, they honestly say, "I love you god!" you will go to heaven, or so the idea is. Now, since, as you have said, Jesus is compensation for all our sins, why even bother doing that? Jesus took care of it already! Hey, this is easy, ain't it? Since the existance of heaven can't be proved except through faith, this is all extreme paranoia.
Confess your sins and tell got that you are willing to turn from them.
Give you Heart to God, Jesus Christ.
After you establish a relationship, (he same way you maintain a marriage), get to know, and follow one another via prayer, Bible reading, and going to church.
you need to fast at prayers repent from your sins, the Holy Spirit will join you in prayer most when fasting , Reading and Studying the Bible , remember that reading is not studying , Isaiah 1:18 . and keep the Lords commandments that means all 10 of them John 14:15 -14:21, keep the Sabbath - saturday, do all your good works under Yeshua our Lord and Savior be baptized in the Name of the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost , and not eat the unclean like Pork, do your study may the holy S guide
sounds more like salvation by works, Mr. EndOfNumbers.
You really think you'll be saved because you do all of those things? Nowhere in the NT were gentile believers commanded to observe the sabbath, holy days, or abstain from unclean meat. Rather, Paul taught against such teachings. Circumcision is another one. Do you believe that you have to be circumcised? The OT commands it.
Lightmane321 , you need to re-read the Bible, like all of it, you have no idea of what you're talking about, Paul taught against the annual sabbaths and other sabbaths, never did Paul speak against the weekly sabbath , Paul even kept the Sabbath, Paul even taught on the Sabbath, Yeshua kept the Sabbath, The Lord even said in Isaiah that the Sabbath with be observed for eternity, Paul never taught that we can eat unclean animals, never has he said anything in that natural,
and we have be circumcised of the spirit not of the flesh , so we do by the spirit, see you dont know what you're talking about , When Paul said all scripture was profitable for doctrine, he wa speaking of the OT not the NT this being the NT wasn't even finished yet, I can even show you the passages to refute your stupity. Yeshua is coming with Judgement and hes reward ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS!!!! and yes we are saved through Grace! But you obviously do not know the Grace of the Lord John 14:15 21
Wow. I didn't know that you were so superior to me in knowledge. You must be very proud of yourself. Well, if you'd like to debate me anytime, feel free. Romans 14 is clear that the kingdom of God is not meat & drink but righteousness & peace (yes, I know he was talking about vegetarians). Col. 2:16 clearly teaches that the sabbath was a shadow & christ is the reality, but hey, I'm an idiot right? Darn it. I keep forgetting that. Maybe one day I'll be enlightened like you...
Here's one for you. If the 7th. Day sabbath is commanded for christians to keep, how come there's not one verse in the entire NT commanding us to keep it? Also, regarding circumcision, funny how you spiritualize that, but not the sabbath. See, if Paul didn't teach that about circumcision you'd also be telling me that I need to be circumcised on the 8th day, but Paul taught against that Law and God commanded it. I guess Paul disagreed with God's law. Wow, go figure. Clean & unclean meat too
Nowhere in the NT are christians commanded to continue to observe this law. In reality, the jewish christians gave the gentiles only 2 OT laws to keep. You can read about that in acts. Paul then goes on to give many teachings about christian living and what do you know? No mention of keeping the sabbath, clean & unclean meats or circumcision. Rather, he taught against such.
Yes, Paul kept the Sabbath. He also abstained from eating pork & was circumcised. Yes, I know that.
so bring it on genius. My stupidity is looking forward to being taught a lesson. Come now. Teach me. Show me how wrong I am and how right & righteous you are with all of your good deeds.
I have a friend who's an atheist who'd love to debate you as well. Would you like to take him on? Let me know and I'll send him over here. Pick a topic. Any topic. Just ask Mr. Valenzuela about him. LOL
The bible says many contradictory things, you have to choose just 1 gospel for your authority on Jesus as the rest will disagree to extents, and you should just ignore anything written by HUMANS long after jesus had died (such as paul), they are not the word of god. Paul had no right to change the sabbath to sunday, he only did so because the Romans worship on sunday. The ressurection day does not have a purpose for the sabbath, god created the world and rested on saturday and so should we.
what you're doing is altering scriptures to fit your lazy life style, Yeshua commands us to preach the Gospel-thus meaning works. The works Paul taught against are the lustful works of the flesh , human desires, these he tought against, your way of thinking just justifies the guy below you! you like to decieved people into being lazy and ignorant just like you
I'm quoting from memory but Jesus says not one iota of the old law shall pass until heaven and earth pass away and all has been accomplished, so where have you got the idea that the old testament had been abrogated by jesus? Jesus was jewish and so were his followers, I'm sure they intended "christians" to just be the jews and not a new religion.
I'm a christian, it's very important to get the gospel message right. Any mention here of repentance? Turning away from sin. Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.
The Bible claim that there are many Gods. The old testament was translated from Hebrew. When Talking about the creator in the beggining it uses the word Elohim which actualy means the Gods. It was changed to just God in translation because as followers of their God they didn't wish to acknowledge the others.
"God loves you so much that he decided to pay the punishment for you"
that statement is an interesting one. where did the punishment come from? God.
so here is a quesiton: if god with his omiscience knew that he would pay for his own perscribed punishment, why would assign "punishment" in the first place? it wouldn't be punishment at all. what sense does that make?
the example you provide is definitely a different situation
now if you said the parent created a child to one day break a window, and then this parent would blame that child for something the parent always knew would happen (the parent even designed the child to break the window), then the parent blames that child for something it was designed to do, and ultimately pays the punishment it assigned itself
but god was conscious when he made the child, because he knows everything past present and future according to the book, that the child would one day break this window. God makes the child in a certain way, knows everything the child will do, therefore...
Can you connect the rest of the dots?
the sooner you realize that Satan is a scapegoat for God's wrongdoing in the story book called the bible the sooner you will be free of your dilusion
Let me tell you my story. Its been a year now since the Holy Spirit has touched my heart and made me a believer. Life was good and i was trying to live life Gods way. But then came a point when i started to think like you. If God knows everything, then why.... You know your questions. So i started to act egocentric. I went my own way. It brought me nothing but pain. My old sins returned into my life. When i trust on myself, i fall appart. When i trust God, He keeps me together.
look around you the signs are everywherem Take his yoke upon you and let him make you hole, let him forgive you as your Dad would forgive your wrong doings, because he loves you, more than you will ever know, Praise to the Lord Jesus, King of Kings, Amen!
The one and only true God is prefect love. God sent his Son Jesus Christ to die on the Cross for OUR sins, in order that we may see Gods true love for us, for there is not greater way of showing someone you care by giving them your life, hence the saying " I would die for you" and God, Jesus died for us. Yes Jesus is God, Why u say? The same as my mind is part of my body, as is also my soul. So i have 3 parts to me, so does God: Father, Son Holey Spirit, we live in 3D length, Width, Height
Stop making excuses! So you don't believe in the one and only God, because of what PEOPLE did to your pagan people?! People on the earth aren't God, we sin and things go wrong. Grow up. I'm tired of those excuses. Hear them all the time
so your saying that its ok to go and kill someone, then in order to have your sins forgiven to kill an animal, do you realize how idiotic that sounds, and fyi everything you said has NOTHING to do with what im talking about, wat your sayin is you did something bad and wat your doing is haing someone else take the fall for you, that doesnt seem like the right thing to do, ok i killed someone but ima let this guy get the blame and not me, ok ya i see why your christian
Nice Idea! The ultimate sin has been paid for by Jesus. Which means we can carry on sinning and no one will be punished in the hear after. So if Hitler believed in Jesus he will get a way with his crimes. Doesn't make sense to me. In Islam God forgives also all sins. However the condition is that you have to repent to God sincerely and ask for forgiveness. If my friend committed a crime,Can I convince the court of law to punish me instead. So you think that we are more logical than God.
When we have a repentant heart, God counts it as righteousness.
In Romans, it says "Christ has once died for the sins of all" every sin is included.
Acceptine Jesus as your Savior means, allowing Christ's payment to cover your sins, all your sins in your life time.
Confession is an act of courtesy. You love your wife, but if they wrong you, it'd be curteou for her to repent, or vice versa. Confession also helps ease guilt.
"Dear Child, You are my offspring. Nothing will ever separate you from my love. I will always comfort you. Unless you don't believe me, in which case I will torture you for ever and ever in the torture chamber I made. You know I'll do it, too. I already tortured and mutilated and killed and abandoned my only REAL son. Trust me. Your loving Father, God."
The thing religious people call "proof", is actually no proof at all. They simply have a warped understanding about such things as "evidence" and "proof" and even "knowledge"
Well done. You can't prove a negative. Tell you wht. If you can prove to me reynandvalenzuela that Unicorns exisit/exisited then i will belive in god.
you know 'love' exist when your in a relatinship.
have you stood besides a dead body and a living body and felt the differenct? a dead body is a result of evolution. life is a result of a Living Creator.
if there were more than 39 writers, you prove my point to hold more certain that the Bible does come from God. The chances of being consistent decrease as more writers increase, yet consistency of those 5 questions remain. 39 inspired by God. 66 documents if accounts with God.
There were no public libraries back in the day.
i'm sure you can't come up with a better arguement for santa.
you can't counter argue my arguement. is that y ur bored? :O
Writer A and writer B were not always of the same generation, country, language, dialect,educational background, literate, occupation, you name it. Internet and libraries weren't available to common people. access was not common. Yet, take writers from a wide generational gap and differing demographic background and their experiences with God do not contradict, who God is and how He operates.
Deep within your soul you know you are a sinner guilty of sin.
Other religions plagerize the Bible. Don't get it twisted.
nothing is older than the Creator God himself. The timespan of writings show that all the consistency written therein about God's characteristics, answers to lifes toughest questions after death, idea of sin, idea of penalty, etc. all come from a common source: God.
"Go to church" You don't have to go to church to believe in God.
BlueSoda79 4 months ago
Haha, christians are assholes. Brainwashed, ignorant assholes.
xxxDrDEWofCovtownxxx 4 months ago
Why does an omnipotent God have such a fascination with blood and sacrifice?
PhysStud2006 4 months ago
Acts 2:38 is still God's plan of salvation. The Jews, Gentiles and Samaritans all came the same way. It's a supernatural birth. In the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses shall every word be established. The church is still here and God hasn't changed his plan. The church is under the age of grace. Jesus walked under the age of law. The thief on the cross was under the age of law. We all have to be born again into the church. It's more than just saying i believe. Type in "APOSTOLIC PRODUCTION"
rossdaboss1959 4 months ago
@rossdaboss1959 . Mark 16:16 says, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Not believing shall be damned. It didn't say "not believing AND not being baptized shall be damned."
God's plan of salvation didn't change in the OT and NT. It was always salvation for those who put faith and belief in God. Many in the OT were saved, helped, and prayers answered, yet not water baptism, but by genuine belief in God (spiritual baptism) 1 Cori 12:13
reynandvalenzuela 4 months ago
@reynandvalenzuela There's too many scriptures on baptism to block it out. Jesus started his church on Pentecost. God deal with ages or dispensations. Proof Ephesians 1:10, 2:6-9, 3:5-6, 21. Colossians 1:26-27. Baptism scriptures, Acts 2:38, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16. 1 Peter 3:21, Romans 6:3-6, Galatians 3:27, Colossians 2:12, 1 Corinthians 12;13. The actions is in the book of Acts. It's a real Holy Ghost experience. Look at what the bible shows n says. U will be judged by it.
rossdaboss1959 4 months ago
@rossdaboss1959 ::: I much prefer the plan of salvation as outlined in Micah 6 :8 So much simpler, and no theological arguments.
k0smon 4 months ago
@k0smon Sorry we can't pick n choose. God deals with salvation in different ages. The church is our age to get saved under grace. Let me show u that God deals with ages or dispensations. Do u think God set up the church for nothing where Jews, gentiles n Samaritans all came in? Ephesians 1:10, 2:6-9, 3:5-6, 21. Colossians 1:26,27. I told u the truth, but it's up to u to do what u feel is right. Check out, Apostolic Productions, on here for more. It's worth it! Eternity is forever.
rossdaboss1959 4 months ago
If u believe in god, you will be forgiven to your sins, if not... Your screwed
teeheenoob123 6 months ago
@teeheenoob123 . you're accountable to what you know.
reynandvalenzuela 6 months ago
If you look deeper into the history, how the Bible was written, 1000's archeological findings that match and was found via the Bible, and all the attributes that make the Bible different from any other book, you'd see how the Bible could never have been written alone, without the assistance of the Divine Creator.
Here's a vid with more details also by reynandvalenzuela: / watch?v=Ll9LN79gB3M
v3videography 7 months ago
P.S. Near Death Experience is a facinating topic/subject. Perhaps interesting to look into if you try to get an idea of how it might be if you die. Ofcourse i wouldn't dare to say its all true but that is not the point. People can make there own mind after reading/listening certain things.
NotCloseMinded 7 months ago
But besides what i just said, I personally believe in a Divine Creator. Perhaps not the same as portraited in the Holy Bible but maybe partly. I just wouldnt know. But my feelings tell me there is more to this world (then meets the normal eye. hahaha) then the Pragmatic,scientific view of this world. There are certain things we just cant comprehend with our simple in the box thinking brain/mind.
What truly helps in the neverending queste for truth is Philosophy !
NotCloseMinded 7 months ago
What we do know is that the Catholic Church has alot of knowledge stored away, wich practically no1 can look into. So in short: People could have meddled with the ''holy'' texts of the bible.
2: Now correct me if im wrong: But the thing about the Evolution theory is in fact that it is still a ''Theory'' ! Now what was it again about theory's ? That it is still not 100% proven to be true. Right ? Becouse if a theory is proven to be a 100% true it wouldnt be called a theory anymore right ?
NotCloseMinded 7 months ago
In this time of confusion, i think its only reasonable to assume that we just dont know what is true or not ! Just try to live your life good and do the best you can in all situations. Why cant we accept these different ways of beliefs/thinking ? 1: Who knows what men has done to the writings of the bible. The Chatholic Church has a dark history of evil/violance, destroying knowledge and kill innocent peoples with an open mind and thurst for knowledge.Maybe/perhaps some texts have been altered ?
NotCloseMinded 7 months ago
This just proves any idiot can get a web camera and spew nonsense.
metalsusa1 7 months ago
You Christians realize an all knowing god holds you accountable for sins he knew you would commit before he created you. Then orders you to repent or you will suffer in hell forever. He knew before you were created if you would repent of sins he knew you would commit. Kind of like kissing up to the mafia capo, do what I tell you or I'll kill you. P.S. I LOVE YOU.
metalsusa1 7 months ago
its funny how we all get into the details of the religion when the fundamental building blocks of it are so incoherent, not to mention not proven.
eleminatus 11 months ago
Listen Dick Shits. Regardless of how much you believe, how broad your faith is, how egotistical you are; or even if your belief system/systems stems from a book, does not automatically make your opinion "Truth." You've forgone common sense and almost 8000 years of scientific and cosmological progression for a man trifled book. That doesn't make your christian words magical. If anything it just makes you people look like bobble headed sheeple. Enjoy your redundant hokey poky horse shit. Amen.
Colin5399 1 year ago
that's really amusing, because usually most people in this country who spout off hot air, and preach about everyonelses' sins, and brimstone and fire, are usually the first ones in line for the deep-fat-fryer.
that stereotypical southern christian preacher hypocrit will at long last know what it's like to be deep fat fried like the chicken he just had for lunch.
zeldagamerDX6 1 year ago
What a wonderful God that loves us so much that he would allow his own Son to die in our place. All he asks is that we turn from our dis-belief and sinful ways and follow Him. There is no Love greater than that. The end of the world as we know it is approaching. The bible tells us the signs to watch for to know when it is close. So many of you say there is no God and yet His prophecies in the bible are and have been fulfilled over and over. Check out the Bible for yourself. Read John.
bradweese 1 year ago
heheh.. its funny....
BtwinUnW 1 year ago
Q:Are you going to heaven or hell?
A:No.
L00NGB00W 1 year ago
And remember, kids: Even any complete idiot can create a "God" to have a "relationship" with. In fact very many idiots do!: )
winterstellar 1 year ago
Yeah. Um. God doesn't exist.
mikerodeman 1 year ago
@mikerodeman "The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good." - Psalm 14:1
PropheticVindicator 1 year ago
@mikerodeman Keep on thinking that.
"The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good." - Psalm 14:1
PropheticVindicator 1 year ago
@mikerodeman Yeah. Um. You won't say that on the Day of Judgment when you are encircled by a host of angels, and your feet can barely hold you up as you face the One who will decide your eternal fate. You will meet Jesus in either this life or the next.
"The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good." - Psalm 14:1
PropheticVindicator 1 year ago
I don't believe in HELL. The whole concept is absurd. That's like me strapping a bomb around your chest and telling you to love me, give me money, worship me etc. And if you do those things that the bomb won't go off but if you don't then you will blow up and die. However, I'm not forcing you to do anything you don't want to and I"m giving you free will to choose. When you don't obey and the bomb blows you up, I tell you that I didn't kill you that you committed suicide because you had free will
fasteddie847 1 year ago
@fasteddie847 You are so right!
mikerodeman 1 year ago
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channeloffun1 1 year ago
I laugh at people who say god is dumb, or an ass, because I will have the final laugh. You people bash on my god because you have nothing better to do with your lives , but when your done posting that comment 3 hours from now, you think nothing of it. But when judgment day comes, all in all you WILL burn in hell, and there is no getting around it. 8 years from now when your in hell you will think back on your stuborn attitude with sorrow and pain.
LegoWorldCrisis 1 year ago 2
@LegoWorldCrisis You are one hateful motherfucker.
WhiteDragon103 1 year ago 2
@LegoWorldCrisis LMAOOOO. I'm glad it makes you feel better to envision people who disagree with you burning for eternity. You sound like a really stable person. And sadly, when you're dead and rotting in the ground for eternity, you will have no consciousness to acknowledge that you were wrong.
gingerbreadcorpses 10 months ago 3
@gingerbreadcorpses.
It dosen't make me feel better. Its actually pretty sad. but you know whats IRONIC? is that when you die, ( unless you convert) you will be concious to see your mistake by burning eternaliy. So you'll have to actually face your own retardism. Down-side is i cant be there to rub it in your face.
LegoWorldCrisis 10 months ago
@LegoWorldCrisis You know, you CLAIM that, and yet somehow your claim is so unconvincing that I'm willing to risk my eternal soul that you're wrong. Have fun with your Legos.
gingerbreadcorpses 10 months ago
So Hitler could repent on his deathbed and be in heaven, and a doctor who healed many and has doubts is in hell. This god is an ass.
MercuryRis 1 year ago
@MercuryRis . God measures the heart of repentance, and does not weigh good vs badl deeds; if God weighed our good vs bad, we will NEVER outweigh our bad deeds.
reynandvalenzuela 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela Ah but you fail to read the book of James where works are essential...And this god really is an ass.
MercuryRis 1 year ago
@MercuryRis . works makes ur faith useful, but not required for salvation. regarding salvation, accepting Christ is needed, not good works.
our good works will still never outshine our bad works.
reynandvalenzuela 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela so if its just accepting Christ, then why s there a judgement? This is my issue with Christianity, its all about how bad, dirty and evil we are. But Jesus erases that. Dont you think we should ask those we HURT for forgiveness? This is an awful way Christians justify their bad behavior. I can be a huge asshole but if Im saved Im going to heaven...piss on you. Thats why they do such awful things. They need to take personal responsibility and hand it to an obscure diety.
MercuryRis 1 year ago 5
@MercuryRis . if u were a huge asshole, then chances are u really aren't "saved". ppl who r truely "saved" desire to follow Jesus.
u can have issues with Christianity, but in the end, if it is true, ur issue wouldn't matter. the same way, i have issues with my chemistry teacher, but that doesn't nullify the physical properties of chemicals.
we all have responsibiilities to sin, Jesus took care of eternal punishment. we still have to face earthly consequences.
reynandvalenzuela 1 year ago
@MercuryRis But how so? if the doctor you used in your other hytpothetical comment really WAS having dbouts and was confused, god would show him the way. as long as your open to it, he WILL NOT let you die until you are shown the way. He is in charge of your life, and if you are REALLY open to finding god, He will let you life 500 years if thats what it takes to reedem your soul.
LegoWorldCrisis 1 year ago
@MercuryRis no, you have it all wrong. This doctor can save many lives, but EVERYONE is given the chance to redeem themselves at one point or another before death. This same doctor could be accepted into gods heart just days after quiting his job as a doctor, and going on a masacre at an elementary school killing innocent children. So how is this god an ass? He gives EVERYONE a chance no matter how horrible you have been or will be and still forgives you... thats an ass? think about it...
LegoWorldCrisis 1 year ago
@MercuryRis because you dont like our God doesnt you should be a hater out loud btw what they're saying is it true & may God bless you & your family
QueenAngelWar 1 year ago
@MercuryRis . God doesn't measure evil and good with the same standards as sinful humans.
reynandvalenzuela 6 months ago
@MercuryRis ::: God is fine. It is the bible and the claims of Christianity that are the problem.
k0smon 4 months ago
So... God paid with himself.. to himself... for crimes that I did... that he already knew I was going to do when he made my ancestors (lol, omniscience) so that I will not end up in a pit of endless torment, which he created.
And in order to prove this, he does nothing.
This God can't be very bright.
ProveItBro 1 year ago
@ProveItBro . God paid for sins that you chose to live in.
reynandvalenzuela 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela
That's what I said, except I said it in a more detailed way.
I forgot to mention that it was stuff that he decided was crimes in the first place, though.
ProveItBro 1 year ago
It's a good thing that I have free will so that I can choose to not accept the brutal, sadistic monster that you worship as my lord.
Oh, one other thing. If our sins have been paid for why do we still need to accept jesus? He's already absolved me of my guilt but if i don't say thak you I still have to be punished? This has never made sense to me.
tiggster13 1 year ago
I have repeated the"what do you think/make of personal responsibility"thing a few times now but this is simply because your(attempts at)answers were basically inadequate.
How could you possibly not know that what you proselytise is fundamentally immoral?
Ignorance is no excuse and if you truly believe that I am in fact wrong I want to know EXACTLY why !!!!(a fair question I think!)
Bye.................
RandomVortex 1 year ago
This video is full of horrible nasty deluded lies!
The immorality of this kind of religious faith should sicken anybody who knows the first thing about ethics!
Even those who have been brainwashed by this rubbish since they were kids should at least(in the privacy of their own minds)realise that there is something very wrong with all of this!
For fuck sake,just be honest with yourselves about what is truly right and wrong!
Forget God and or religion and just be good & do right just because!
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela "In God's logic, God the judge (is lenient) in the sense that either you OR someone can pay for your wrongs. "
Then God(or at least the version of God you depict in your above words)is disgustingly immoral!
Have you no sense of right or wrong?
What exactly do you think is moral about this?(in your own words.)
The God you describe makes me want to puke blood!(thankfully GOD is just another of mankinds twisted set of delusions!!
What do you make of personal responsibility?
RandomVortex 1 year ago
I repeat,personal responsibility.
RandomVortex 1 year ago
I do NOT even accept the validity of the poor little old annimal sacrafice!
This just seems nothing other than wastfully pointless!
An actual human sacrafice is just cruely insane!
I give up!!!(as you and those of your ilk are plainly insane!)
You need to seek psychological help!(quickly!)
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@ reynandvalenzuela
(cheeky comments aside)I do understand that you actually do believe this stuff and that you do mean well when you warn me of hell and damnation.
So I do genuinly thank you for the caring spirit in which your warnings are meant!
However,I think it only fair to be totally honest with you and state that I have absolutely no doubt that you have clearly been brainwashed by the particular wing of faith to which you subscribe.
I think you are a victim of religious indoctrination!
RandomVortex 1 year ago
In a word - BULL(fucking)SHIT! or BOLLOCKS(to use the British vernacular.)
Just incase I am wrong and you have committed a SIN of some kind maybe you've told a few porky pies(lies)perhaps.
Then simply just go out and strangle the neigbours cat(in the name of GOD)and all should be fine!
What utter fucking drivel!
RandomVortex 1 year ago
Yes Yes I am the great Cornholio I need TP for my bunghole
Templehatchet 1 year ago
@Templehatchet
A quote from one of my favourite movies!Beavis and butt-fuck(oops I meant head)
But I still to this day do not know what TP was.(actually the rest did not make too much sense either but tp was the bit that really troubled me!)
We have an anti-septic called TCP over here in the UK and I thought maybe that was it but......well.......like I said any feedback would be apreciated(even if the truth is that it was probably just total nonsense.)
Could you possibly enlighten me? :)
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@RandomVortex Yes, Yes... I need toilet paper (TP) for my bunghole. Its ridiculous like religion. You have been enlightened.
Templehatchet 1 year ago
@Templehatchet
Oh yeah!(I honestly never twigged (understood)that before!)
Cheers!
RandomVortex 1 year ago
As I've now probably commented for maybe a bit too long on this thread,I'll leave you all here for now but you(and any other theistically inclined individuals)could do worse that to reflect upon your chosen beliefs(maybe cross reference them with others of both past and present)and just think about how lightly any of it is!
Anyway.........all the best!
RandomVortex 1 year ago
To put it very,very simply - vicarious redemtion is hugely immoral!(and if you have trouble understanding why then you are quite simply not a very ethical person!)
RandomVortex 1 year ago
I'll expand...
To give a simple(and maybe a tad silly anology or a parable if you will.)
(it's OK I am not developing a Christ complex,this is merely an example!)
If(as a kid)I was to steal money from my fathers wallet and my younger brother,knowing he was too young to be punished as harshly as I would be(I'de be beaten with a belt where as he would just get a quick slap)chose(out of the goodness of his heart)to take a slap so I would not be beaten with a belt.
Would I still be guilty?
RandomVortex 1 year ago
In short..........of course I would be!
Not nescessarily a great example but my point is that no matter who(be it jesus or whoever)takes the punishment for your wrong doing,ultimately you still did the wrong and it is YOU who deserves whatever punishment would be justly fitting!
Vicarious redemtion is wrong(for the reasons I have expressed and probably a few more that I just did not think of!)
Cheers!
RandomVortex 1 year ago
Where's the justice in putting ones sins onto another and(therefore)getting off scott free?
Vicarious redemtion of sin(in any form )is NOT moral!
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time(is one way of putting it)
Unless you are sociopsychopathic or somehow mentally deranged and not in that case responsible for your own actions,then your conscience should dictate that you cannot put your "sins"onto another.
Just take responsibility for any wrong doing yourselves & face up to the punishment!
RandomVortex 1 year ago
I'll say that sadly(in the real world)the punishment does not meet the crime(It can be either way too mild or far too harsh!)
But this does not escape the general principal that in an ideal world(one that either an all powerful benevolent God might in fact create or just,regardless of any deitys a fair world)justice would be done!
Justice would not be the guilty getting away with their crimes by throwing their respective sins on(in the Christian case)Jesus(or a Goat"scapegoat")in older times.
RandomVortex 1 year ago
I'm afraid that I simply do not bye it(the entire God thing.)
Just sounds like it is made up by bronze age men!
Why not just enjoy this (the only one you'll ever get!)life?
What do you make of science?
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@RandomVortex Good questions.
How much of life can you really enjoy when thereis uncertainty of the afterlife lingering? Would one enjoy security more?
Science is great. It actually brings us closer to the Creator. Science is like a set of computer program codes, and we are the person in the ie. video game, only limited by the codes. God wrote the code for physics. notice how physics, calculus, chemistry, pro and stats, biology, pharmakokenetics, are all mathematically related.
reynandvalenzuela 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela
" notice how physics, calculus, chemistry, pro and stats, biology, pharmakokenetics, are all mathematically related."
In a word - YES!
This is because they were all devised by men(clever men no doubt but men none the less!)not by a God(of anykind!)
reynandvalenzuela - Does Darwins theory of evolution trouble you at all and what do you make of the general consensus of the scientific community these days?
What's your opinion on the obvious conflict between the two?
Cheers!
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela -
Does Darwins theory of evolution trouble you at all and what do you make of the general consensus of the scientific community these days?
What's your opinion on the obvious conflict between the two?
(Just so there is no confusion)I meant the conflict between supernatural faith and
modern science(that's all.
Cheerio!
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@RandomVortex the conflict between the two, faith and "modern science" is this: modern science is also faith, because they are trying to explain history at a time when no human nor camcorder was around, just like Biblical faith.
science should NOT be used to explain history. Science by definition is: observance of things that can happen again and again, and how it works. darwinism is historical and cannot be observed agin and again. (which they tried to observe, via space programs)
reynandvalenzuela 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela
You sound like you've bought into(or sadly,more than lightly been consciously & purposefully brainwashed with)some rather poorly thought out religious fundamentalist propaganda.(which I think is a shame!)
Science is simply the unending and honest search for truth!(no more no less)and deserves every bit of respect that it justly gets!!!!
RandomVortex 1 year ago
Give me your honest appraisal of the scientific method(with all of its cross referencing and peer reviews etc.)& try to paralelle that with the flimsy excuses for"evidence" that those of the Christian far right(I'm afraid it's just really obvious that you have had your mind ruined by that particular bunch!)or any religion use.
I do not think religious thought begins to compare with scientific method!
It does not encourage self enquiry as this will inevitably lead to the exposure of falsehoods!
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela
I hope you do not think that I intend to patronize you or anything when I say that,I do not think that you fully understand how evolution works.(it is a beautifully simple and elegant process but many people get confused about some of the finer points.)
Just read up on this particular subject(as it would be unfair of me to argue the point when I suspect that you are probably missing more than a few of the facts.)
All I ask is that you look into this subject a bit more fully!
RandomVortex 1 year ago
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@reynandvalenzuela "science should NOT be used to explain history. Science by definition is: observance of things that can happen again and again, and how it works. darwinism is historical and cannot be observed agin and again. (which they tried to observe, via space programs) "
I take it you have heard of extrapolation and in light of this would you maybe reconsider your outlook?(given that science uses this tool often.)
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@RandomVortex:mankind did not devise the value's of pi, speed of light, relationships between velocity and acceleration, or gravity, or relat'nshps bwteen current and voltages, etc. mankind only discovered them and labeled them.
reynandvalenzuela 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela
A fair(and more importantly)true point!
However I do not see how this would lead one to surmise that some kind of anthropomorphic superbeing was responsible.
Ok,of course we(humans)merely discovered(some of)the many constants of the universe and as you(kind of)say,used mathematics to measure them.
The fine tuning argument for your particular stance is indeed one of the most compelling but again(I have to say that)I see no inference of an anthropomorhic GOD type of character.
RandomVortex 1 year ago
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@reynandvalenzuela
"mankind did not devise the value's of pi, speed of light, relationships between velocity and acceleration, or gravity, or relat'nshps bwteen current and voltages, etc. mankind only discovered them and labeled them."
Yes I agree.
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@RandomVortex
Darwin's theories and all of the scientific consesus doesn't bother me because the more you know about science, the more you realize that there is a Creator in existence. like mt rushmore, the more complex it is, the more you realize that there is a creator behind it, even though you never met the scultor of mt rushmore.
reynandvalenzuela 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela - "like mt rushmore, the more complex it is, the more you realize that there is a creator behind it"
(Again,I'm afraid)I'm gonna have to insist that you read up on(and try to fully understand)the actual mechanism of evolution by way of natural selection.
The bottom line is,if you were to do this you would quite simply not be able to make your little Mt Rushmore analogy as you would realise it simply does not work!
I implore you to just take an honest(unbiased)look into this!
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela
Well,there is little uncertainty(in my mind at least)as to what death will bring,as far as I can tell(due to all the available evidence)that is.
Unadulterated,endless nothingness(Oblivion if you will.)
It would appear we shall all return to the state of affairs that was so before we where born/concieved etc.
I personally will miss life(despite its many faults!)but I still can not bring myself to believe in obvious falsehoods in order to make the truth sting less!
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela
Oh,one last thing.....
What are your own thoughts on the ethics of vicarious redemtion?
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@RandomVortex
Vicarious Redemtion, I have no problem with it. If I was speeding, and my brother offered to pay the ticket, fine. Or if I pay for my wife's ticket, fine. In the Old Testament, God illustrated payment of sin through animal sacrifices. sin must be paid for by blood (Lev 17:11). but Christ's sinless blood, was enough to pay for (at the time) sinless-Adam's sin.
reynandvalenzuela 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela
Thanks for the honest feedback!
My point is(even if you had paid your brother or wifes speeding tickets)this does not make them exempt from guilt.
They were still the ones speeding.(and therefore guilty.)
I'm sure you must have some concept of personal responsibility,guilt and simple conscience.
To put a more extreme case to you - if I was to murder,rape & torture a few thousand people but you could pay the judge at my trial to let me off,would this be ethical?(See my point?)
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@RandomVortex
yes i see your point. this is where "grace" comes into Christianity. Grace - obtaining what you don't deserve. We don't deserve to be pardoned from our sins. we deserve to pay for our sins ourselves. but that's how Christ intervened, so that we don't have to pay for it.
reynandvalenzuela 1 year ago
@RandomVortex
as far as personal responsibility, that is the very purpose of religion: to make up for our sins/misdemeanors. But only in Christianity, they admit that there is NO WAY you can make up & take responsibility for ALL your sins.
to some people, it wouldn't be ethical to see someone pay for another sin. that's from human logic. In God's logic, God the judge (is lenient) in the sense that either you OR someone can pay for your wrongs.
reynandvalenzuela 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela "In God's logic, God the judge (is lenient) in the sense that either you OR someone can pay for your wrongs. "
Then God(or at least the version of God you depict in your above words)is disgustingly immoral!
Have you no sense of right or wrong?
What exactly do you think is moral about this?(in your own words.)
The God you describe makes me want to puke blood!(thankfully GOD is just another of mankinds twisted set of delusions!!
What do you make of personal responsibility?
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela
sinless-Adam's sin. ?(was this a miss type?)
I understand what original sin is supposed to be,obviously because i do not believe in any of this stuff it sounds completely potty to me but I get the idea(kind of.)
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@reynandvalenzuela
I wont even go into the sin must be paid for in blood thing because it just sounds both insane and very primative(to be honest.)
I could of course be wrong about all of this and I'm sure I'll be kicking myself as I burn in agonizing pain in the eternal flames of hell.
RandomVortex 1 year ago
@RandomVortex
"sin must be paid by blood" started in Leviticus 17:11. so that idea has been around for over 3500 yrs. thus sounds primitive but Christ's blood ended that ritualistic cleansing.
i'm not going to try to force you into Christianity. i don't want u in hell either. I just try to explain what i know. but for eternities sake, pls don't take death lightly. if there is a judgement after life, be ready. Seek and ye shall find. (I'll pray for you.)
reynandvalenzuela 1 year ago
Yes I know I spelt Buy wrong(I wrote bye)my spelling indeed lacks dicipline!
Still......Nevermind...........
RandomVortex 1 year ago
not buying this.
cclovesyoutoob 1 year ago
bullshit.
ScottTheAtheist 1 year ago
haha jesus isnt real and niether is god lol GOD = DOG HAHAHA you're all worshipping a dog idiots!
Solyinc 1 year ago
Animal Sacrifice??!?!?!
Call PETA!!!
1234megapixel 2 years ago
Great summary of the Gospel! God Bless You All!
bjoe1979 2 years ago
anyone with a brain will know this is total BS. You shouldnt have to love him and worship him and base your life off religion. live a good life, have fun. life dosent last that long. the afterlife is non-existant. it is technically IMPOSSIBLE to have that sort of thing happen. churches corrupt free will. try buddhism, if great. im 15 and it makes a hell of a lot more sense, and dosent sond COMPLETELY retarded.
NickSlaughter669 2 years ago
anything u do will have consequences or rewards. nothing is for nothing.
reynandvalenzuela 2 years ago
Beware false prophets!!!
He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life. -- John 5:24
Whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. -- John 3:16
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life. -- John 3:36
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. -- John 6:47
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved. -- Acts 16:31
Where does being good come into it?
valleyshrew 1 year ago
@NickSlaughter669
Well said!
Buddhism is more of a philosophy but sadly(in my opinion)still suffers from some of the basic misconceptions of theology.
That said...it is certainly more open minded than most other religions!
All I suggest is to attempt to make an honest apraisal of the truth(as far as you can work it out)and making up your own mind from there.
Try to perhaps study ethics and see where that leads you(just a suggestion.)
Good luck with(any of)your(honest)endeavours to find truth!
RandomVortex 1 year ago
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:/ this is so stupid
volginjr 2 years ago
you are still wrong
EndOfNumbers 2 years ago
I am? Well, if you say so, then it must be true, huh?
Next time, please 'reply' to me. The only reason I saw your comment here is because I came to check to see if anyone else was saying anything. If you 'reply' to me, it will show up in my mail and I'll know that you commented.
By the way. What denomination are you? 7th. Day Adventist? Church of God 7th Day? CGI, ICG? the old WCG and one of their offshoots?
Me... I'm sort of a partial calvinist/armenian/universalist heretic.
sort of
Lightmane321 2 years ago
I'm going to hell. Oh no, not Michigan! The pathetic thing about Christianity is that someone can do as much garbage as they want, and as long as, before they die, they honestly say, "I love you god!" you will go to heaven, or so the idea is. Now, since, as you have said, Jesus is compensation for all our sins, why even bother doing that? Jesus took care of it already! Hey, this is easy, ain't it? Since the existance of heaven can't be proved except through faith, this is all extreme paranoia.
Tsiehtalol 2 years ago
so how do i establish this relationship, just praying to him and reading the bible, along with being a good person
indestructable987 2 years ago
TO ESTABLISH RELATIONSHIP: talk to God:
Admit to God that you're a sinner.
Believe that only Jesus an save you
Confess your sins and tell got that you are willing to turn from them.
Give you Heart to God, Jesus Christ.
After you establish a relationship, (he same way you maintain a marriage), get to know, and follow one another via prayer, Bible reading, and going to church.
reynandvalenzuela 2 years ago
you need to fast at prayers repent from your sins, the Holy Spirit will join you in prayer most when fasting , Reading and Studying the Bible , remember that reading is not studying , Isaiah 1:18 . and keep the Lords commandments that means all 10 of them John 14:15 -14:21, keep the Sabbath - saturday, do all your good works under Yeshua our Lord and Savior be baptized in the Name of the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost , and not eat the unclean like Pork, do your study may the holy S guide
EndOfNumbers 2 years ago
sounds more like salvation by works, Mr. EndOfNumbers.
You really think you'll be saved because you do all of those things? Nowhere in the NT were gentile believers commanded to observe the sabbath, holy days, or abstain from unclean meat. Rather, Paul taught against such teachings. Circumcision is another one. Do you believe that you have to be circumcised? The OT commands it.
Lightmane321 2 years ago
Lightmane321 , you need to re-read the Bible, like all of it, you have no idea of what you're talking about, Paul taught against the annual sabbaths and other sabbaths, never did Paul speak against the weekly sabbath , Paul even kept the Sabbath, Paul even taught on the Sabbath, Yeshua kept the Sabbath, The Lord even said in Isaiah that the Sabbath with be observed for eternity, Paul never taught that we can eat unclean animals, never has he said anything in that natural,
EndOfNumbers 2 years ago
and we have be circumcised of the spirit not of the flesh , so we do by the spirit, see you dont know what you're talking about , When Paul said all scripture was profitable for doctrine, he wa speaking of the OT not the NT this being the NT wasn't even finished yet, I can even show you the passages to refute your stupity. Yeshua is coming with Judgement and hes reward ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS!!!! and yes we are saved through Grace! But you obviously do not know the Grace of the Lord John 14:15 21
EndOfNumbers 2 years ago
Wow. I didn't know that you were so superior to me in knowledge. You must be very proud of yourself. Well, if you'd like to debate me anytime, feel free. Romans 14 is clear that the kingdom of God is not meat & drink but righteousness & peace (yes, I know he was talking about vegetarians). Col. 2:16 clearly teaches that the sabbath was a shadow & christ is the reality, but hey, I'm an idiot right? Darn it. I keep forgetting that. Maybe one day I'll be enlightened like you...
Lightmane321 2 years ago
Here's one for you. If the 7th. Day sabbath is commanded for christians to keep, how come there's not one verse in the entire NT commanding us to keep it? Also, regarding circumcision, funny how you spiritualize that, but not the sabbath. See, if Paul didn't teach that about circumcision you'd also be telling me that I need to be circumcised on the 8th day, but Paul taught against that Law and God commanded it. I guess Paul disagreed with God's law. Wow, go figure. Clean & unclean meat too
Lightmane321 2 years ago
Nowhere in the NT are christians commanded to continue to observe this law. In reality, the jewish christians gave the gentiles only 2 OT laws to keep. You can read about that in acts. Paul then goes on to give many teachings about christian living and what do you know? No mention of keeping the sabbath, clean & unclean meats or circumcision. Rather, he taught against such.
Yes, Paul kept the Sabbath. He also abstained from eating pork & was circumcised. Yes, I know that.
Lightmane321 2 years ago
so bring it on genius. My stupidity is looking forward to being taught a lesson. Come now. Teach me. Show me how wrong I am and how right & righteous you are with all of your good deeds.
I have a friend who's an atheist who'd love to debate you as well. Would you like to take him on? Let me know and I'll send him over here. Pick a topic. Any topic. Just ask Mr. Valenzuela about him. LOL
Lightmane321 2 years ago
Oh yeah. 1 more thing.
It's spelled stupidity, not stupity.
It's spelled deceived, not decieved.
I know english is a hard language. It's i before e, except after c, but not always... go figure.
Lightmane321 2 years ago
The bible says many contradictory things, you have to choose just 1 gospel for your authority on Jesus as the rest will disagree to extents, and you should just ignore anything written by HUMANS long after jesus had died (such as paul), they are not the word of god. Paul had no right to change the sabbath to sunday, he only did so because the Romans worship on sunday. The ressurection day does not have a purpose for the sabbath, god created the world and rested on saturday and so should we.
valleyshrew 1 year ago
I've heard deluded christians before, but you've taken the cake.
Paul had no right?
Don't trust what Paul wrote?
Do a study & find out why the sabbath is no longer observed by christians. You've been lied to.
So do you all still stone people when they sin? The bible commands such. Are you keeping God's laws or not?
If your wife wasn't a virgin on your wedding night then God commands that you stone her, so did you? Would you?
No? Then you're breaking God's law.
pick up those rocks
Lightmane321 1 year ago
Your problem is you are following paul and not christ, the clue is in the name - CHRISTianity.
valleyshrew 1 year ago
what you're doing is altering scriptures to fit your lazy life style, Yeshua commands us to preach the Gospel-thus meaning works. The works Paul taught against are the lustful works of the flesh , human desires, these he tought against, your way of thinking just justifies the guy below you! you like to decieved people into being lazy and ignorant just like you
EndOfNumbers 2 years ago
I'm quoting from memory but Jesus says not one iota of the old law shall pass until heaven and earth pass away and all has been accomplished, so where have you got the idea that the old testament had been abrogated by jesus? Jesus was jewish and so were his followers, I'm sure they intended "christians" to just be the jews and not a new religion.
valleyshrew 1 year ago
I'm a christian, it's very important to get the gospel message right. Any mention here of repentance? Turning away from sin. Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.
01383094 2 years ago
The Bible claim that there are many Gods. The old testament was translated from Hebrew. When Talking about the creator in the beggining it uses the word Elohim which actualy means the Gods. It was changed to just God in translation because as followers of their God they didn't wish to acknowledge the others.
AgentSmashinglyG 2 years ago
So its basicly like knowing the mob boss?
*sigh*...
BeatingNgSource 2 years ago 2
"God loves you so much that he decided to pay the punishment for you"
that statement is an interesting one. where did the punishment come from? God.
so here is a quesiton: if god with his omiscience knew that he would pay for his own perscribed punishment, why would assign "punishment" in the first place? it wouldn't be punishment at all. what sense does that make?
when i discipline a child do i punish myself?
that just makes no sense man
mattygersh 2 years ago 2
if ur child broke the window, the prent would pay n not make the kid a slave to the neighbor.
reynandvalenzuela 2 years ago
the example you provide is definitely a different situation
now if you said the parent created a child to one day break a window, and then this parent would blame that child for something the parent always knew would happen (the parent even designed the child to break the window), then the parent blames that child for something it was designed to do, and ultimately pays the punishment it assigned itself
what would be the point of that?
assanine
mattygersh 2 years ago
the child was not designed to break the window. it was consciously done via the help of the serpent.
reynandvalenzuela 2 years ago
but god was conscious when he made the child, because he knows everything past present and future according to the book, that the child would one day break this window. God makes the child in a certain way, knows everything the child will do, therefore...
Can you connect the rest of the dots?
the sooner you realize that Satan is a scapegoat for God's wrongdoing in the story book called the bible the sooner you will be free of your dilusion
mattygersh 2 years ago
Let me tell you my story. Its been a year now since the Holy Spirit has touched my heart and made me a believer. Life was good and i was trying to live life Gods way. But then came a point when i started to think like you. If God knows everything, then why.... You know your questions. So i started to act egocentric. I went my own way. It brought me nothing but pain. My old sins returned into my life. When i trust on myself, i fall appart. When i trust God, He keeps me together.
r44cker 2 years ago
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Lucifer, the Light Bearer is not Satan.
He comes from roman mythology
and not from christian mythology.
Christians, please dont lie any
more.
The devil is nothing more than the projection of shoots and the so-called "shadow" (psychoanalysis).
He is a creation of displaced Feelings and emotions
MysticTV777 2 years ago
look around you the signs are everywherem Take his yoke upon you and let him make you hole, let him forgive you as your Dad would forgive your wrong doings, because he loves you, more than you will ever know, Praise to the Lord Jesus, King of Kings, Amen!
geterdoneful 2 years ago
The one and only true God is prefect love. God sent his Son Jesus Christ to die on the Cross for OUR sins, in order that we may see Gods true love for us, for there is not greater way of showing someone you care by giving them your life, hence the saying " I would die for you" and God, Jesus died for us. Yes Jesus is God, Why u say? The same as my mind is part of my body, as is also my soul. So i have 3 parts to me, so does God: Father, Son Holey Spirit, we live in 3D length, Width, Height
geterdoneful 2 years ago
I belive in god ... but i du not belive in the impostor Nazarene ... Half of my good pagan people was slain becouse of him .
MagyarRockerHonved 2 years ago
Stop making excuses! So you don't believe in the one and only God, because of what PEOPLE did to your pagan people?! People on the earth aren't God, we sin and things go wrong. Grow up. I'm tired of those excuses. Hear them all the time
schnor88 2 years ago
You dont understad!!! I BELIVE IN THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS , but i dont belive in the impostor Messiah HE WAS JUST A MAN !!! ( a smart man)
MagyarRockerHonved 2 years ago
h t t p : / / reynandvalenzuela. multiply. com/video/item/11
*just remove the spaces*
reynandvalenzuela 2 years ago
"Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?" - Rom 6:1
"He who says, I know Him, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.1 Jn 2:4
"If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth." - 1 John 1:6
Repentance is absolutely necessary. Or, how can we "accept him into our heart" yet still
live in sin? We must Repent, and believe!
Believer1509 2 years ago
so sin, then kill an animal and your forgiven..... ok that makes sense,
i cant believe ppl actually believe in this bullshit
codyalves 2 years ago
it's the same as eye for an eye. tooth for tooth. capital punishment for murderers. a fine for speeding. etc.
reynandvalenzuela 2 years ago
so your saying that its ok to go and kill someone, then in order to have your sins forgiven to kill an animal, do you realize how idiotic that sounds, and fyi everything you said has NOTHING to do with what im talking about, wat your sayin is you did something bad and wat your doing is haing someone else take the fall for you, that doesnt seem like the right thing to do, ok i killed someone but ima let this guy get the blame and not me, ok ya i see why your christian
codyalves 2 years ago
Nice Idea! The ultimate sin has been paid for by Jesus. Which means we can carry on sinning and no one will be punished in the hear after. So if Hitler believed in Jesus he will get a way with his crimes. Doesn't make sense to me. In Islam God forgives also all sins. However the condition is that you have to repent to God sincerely and ask for forgiveness. If my friend committed a crime,Can I convince the court of law to punish me instead. So you think that we are more logical than God.
Mehenna1 2 years ago
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undeadshooter 2 years ago
And
So Only Jesus is the God
Then Wtf bout the other Gods ?
aniketchops 2 years ago
Do Animals Go to Heaven or Hell ?
Answer Dat ..
aniketchops 2 years ago
Does this mean when we break one we have to confess them all, even if we didn't/ o0 I never understood that one.
DryBONESreborn 2 years ago
IF we break one, we're guilty of all.
When we have a repentant heart, God counts it as righteousness.
In Romans, it says "Christ has once died for the sins of all" every sin is included.
Acceptine Jesus as your Savior means, allowing Christ's payment to cover your sins, all your sins in your life time.
Confession is an act of courtesy. You love your wife, but if they wrong you, it'd be curteou for her to repent, or vice versa. Confession also helps ease guilt.
reynandvalenzuela 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
religion must be annihilated
nightoftheshape 3 years ago
All in good time my friend.
Ltbird 2 years ago
To clarify, by religion I am referring to the
-belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe-
not
-a personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship-
nightoftheshape 2 years ago
Why not both?
Ltbird 2 years ago
When the former is no more the latter is soon to follow.
nightoftheshape 2 years ago
The thing religious people call "proof", is actually no proof at all. They simply have a warped understanding about such things as "evidence" and "proof" and even "knowledge"
KamasutraButterfly 3 years ago
Well done. You can't prove a negative. Tell you wht. If you can prove to me reynandvalenzuela that Unicorns exisit/exisited then i will belive in god.
jaws900 3 years ago
Prove to me love, time, E-mc^2, faithfulness, forgiveness, memories, freewill, freedom to chose, don't exist.
Thus, science is everything.
reynandvalenzuela 3 years ago
Sin is real. Judgement is real. a Judge is real.
i can't stop. i've been through enough deaths to know that life (existence of a person, soul) does not end at death. there IS an aftermath.
reynandvalenzuela 3 years ago
You know that there is life after death because you have been to a lot of funerals?? Spurious logic at best.
nekidchickens 3 years ago
you know 'love' exist when your in a relatinship.
have you stood besides a dead body and a living body and felt the differenct? a dead body is a result of evolution. life is a result of a Living Creator.
reynandvalenzuela 3 years ago
Pure conjecture.
nekidchickens 3 years ago
christian books are not direclty from God.
The Bible is direclty from God.
Unfortunately, santa cannot prove himself are any books of him as much as the Bible proves itself.
my simpler proofs:
of God: watch?v=wNIID0jOjF0
of the Bible: watch?v=Ll9LN79gB3M
reynandvalenzuela 3 years ago
if there were more than 39 writers, you prove my point to hold more certain that the Bible does come from God. The chances of being consistent decrease as more writers increase, yet consistency of those 5 questions remain. 39 inspired by God. 66 documents if accounts with God.
There were no public libraries back in the day.
i'm sure you can't come up with a better arguement for santa.
you can't counter argue my arguement. is that y ur bored? :O
reynandvalenzuela 3 years ago
"I Am". nope that's not the best, but that's all i'm will to give for now. i let my words speak 4 themselves.
yet multiple writers were consistent. take 39+ writers from diff generation, education, backgrouns, countries, etc. have them answer:
1.Does God exist?
2.What happens after death?
3.What is sin?
4.Where do we come from?
5.How to be pardoned?
Only the Bible is able to accomplish such a feat of consistency. any other 39 writers without God as a source would produce inconsistency.
reynandvalenzuela 3 years ago
"Why cant you grow up?" Answer: I am.
Writer A and writer B were not always of the same generation, country, language, dialect,educational background, literate, occupation, you name it. Internet and libraries weren't available to common people. access was not common. Yet, take writers from a wide generational gap and differing demographic background and their experiences with God do not contradict, who God is and how He operates.
reynandvalenzuela 3 years ago
Deep within your soul you know you are a sinner guilty of sin.
Other religions plagerize the Bible. Don't get it twisted.
nothing is older than the Creator God himself. The timespan of writings show that all the consistency written therein about God's characteristics, answers to lifes toughest questions after death, idea of sin, idea of penalty, etc. all come from a common source: God.
reynandvalenzuela 3 years ago
if it's not true, why be passionately against it?
why judge doctrine based on people?
reynandvalenzuela 3 years ago
im ok with going to hell. i really dont care.
burningyoutuve 3 years ago
see what hell is like:
watch?v=p9y68hhh6MQ
reynandvalenzuela 3 years ago