hmmm if you pause it a 0:23 you will see that dan did shoot but missed the target trust me i hate it as much as all the dan fans but he missed but he could have killed him i know he hessitated
@NBluth No, Emir KILLS Harman and absorbs him as a personality; although that doesn't matter because Harman is a demi-God.
Following the event, Emir has a mental breakdown, suffering from dis-associative personality disorder, and becomes the utterly subservient Garcian Smith. The whole 'shooting yourself in the head' is entirely symbolic; along with his third eye. But that was the night that Emir as a personality dies.
Look, we could argue what is or isn't symbolic in killer7 for years and never manage to come to any kind of meaningful conclusion.
And while I agree that Emir most likely absorbed at least part of Harman's personality(Young Harman, based on the scene where Old Harman and Kun Lan get killed) it has no bearing on whether he died or not.
The third eye struck me as being like Kun lan's hand, it kept him alive until it closed and he shot himself.
@NBluth Well, Kun Lan's hand is a constructive God power.
And Harman Smith's sniper rifle is a destructive God power.
So, MAYBE Emir's eye links with that.
Perhaps when killing Harman, Emir's personality becomes dominated by Harman's (because it's the personality of a demi-God, after all) and THAT'S what made him become Garcian. Then later, he comes to the realisation that he can become more than just a pawn in their chess game by shooting them to pieces.
As for the Emir/Garcian/Harman interaction, This is my theory:
Emir fought with Harman and attempted to take his power.
Instead, he gained the subservient Young Harman's powers/personality, becoming Garcian and leaving Harman comatose.
As Garcian had his mental breakdown, Young Harman broke free and killed Harman and Kun Lan as a final act of rebellion, accidentally opening the way for Emir to take control between the chapters "Smile" and "Lion."
@LessthanJake14 I had the same idea. Seeming as Harman had gray eyes and Kun Lan had red eyes. during the lion chapter Garcian has green eyes meaning becuase he was now awoken he had become a demi-god like Harman and Kun Lan. If Kun lans hand is constructive and Harmans is destructive the Garcians must be judgement as he does decide the fate of the world at the end with a gun in HIS RIGHT HAND same hand the other 2 used. Just a theory can't help but try and make sense out of this game lol XD
@LessthanJake14 lol yeah im just sayin that it seemed kinda like all 3 of them were related by the end in my opinion. But then again though the story in this game is practically told by the people who are playing it. Fans more or less make the story =P
So, Harman controls Garcian, Garcian controls other 6 personas, but appears as only one persona(obvious). Johny Gagnon explain that in one of the letters that Smiths are never seen together etc bla bla... So in the order of importance: Gods, Demi-Gods, Ghosts, Goverments(politicians) - Humans....
Now things I don't understand: Young Harman?Why does he look like God Harman?are they related or is young Harman an avatar of God Harman?how can he be alive after safe scene?
@comradez14 Did you take this from the explanation found on GameFAQ's?
Because it sounds identical to it.
Emir first absorbed Principal Harman who then had the power of a God. As a result, he created another avatar: Young Harman. Young Harman then became the head of Union 7. When Emir killed off Union 7 at the hotel, he did not kill Young Harman because he was not included in the number. Perhaps Young Harman rebelled against God Harman and was responsible for Emir's resurrect.
@LessthanJake14 Nah, I read it from some guy couple of years ago, but can't remember the site, I don't think it's GameFAQ's but maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, I would agree totally with that guy cos u all can see that humans can't see or interact with highly beings... so that's a little shortened story and explains some weird scenes in game but not all of them :)
i was pissed when i played through the game and i found out dan was killed my Garcian(emir) Really Garcian his weak ass then i found out how badass garcian was. BUT STILL DAN SMITH IS A THE BAMF OF THE KILLER 7
@needa66762 nothing like it at all i played nocturne and the others that came out for ps2 plus some imported games it has elements like nocturne but its nothing like it
he must thougth harman would bring him back to life again so he started showed of, this resulted in his boom headshot. his plan back fired when he was consumed by Emris 3rd eye (which dosn't even to begin to make sence) and became a part of him. his power that came from not firing was the abilty to shoot aspliosions.
I think Emir Shoots first and that it knocked Dan's shooting off balance... I've played the game other and over and although Dan has been a favourite of mine... I think Con has gotta be the best one.
Curtis killed Dan the first time. At this point Dan was already revived and absorbed by Harman after getting shot by Curtis. In this case his gun didt contain any ammo..,OR.., he doesn't fire even though he wins the draw; he's just being careless, assuming Harman will revive him anyway. Dan is a key persona because he was one of Harman's first ''personalities''. That's one of the reasons why his persona gets introduced at the beginning of the game, like Garcian.
Theres something I dont understand, what was the mission of the original Killer 7 the ones that were in the union hotel. Why did Kun Lan manipulated Emir to kill the original Killer 7 and Harman? Anyone care to explain
This Dan looks like a talented slacker, holding back despite cocking his gun faster than Emir. That must be one of his bonuses as a personality: motivation and desire. With his full potential realized, he becomes (for many players) the workhorse of the Smith Syndicate.
I get the ask first, shoot later referrence in this, but is it possible that Dan didn't have it in him to shoot and kill a 13 year old boy? Because in reality, that's who was killing all these people if you recall what Young Harman told Garcian at the end.
Dan beat Emir to the draw if you slow mo it, and even fired about a millisecond before Emir. I still don't see how he lost, unless Emir truly was immortal
Dan didn't shoot. You know how in movies they would both be aiming a gun at each other then talk? Well thats what happened hear but Garcian shot when Dan thought they would talk.
Dan DOES shoot, but obviously misses. If you play the video in slow motion, you can see the muzzle flashes of both Emir's/Garcian's and Dan's gun and if you listen closely you can here the two shots fired almost synchronous.
wait there alot i dont get when this was going down was this emir killing dan or garcian? each smith dies twice right? so does there second death happen before the game or at the end????? so confusing
i dont know if anyone has ever thought about this but Garcians a badass. if youve seen his russian roulette match with that one dude, there ya go. him killing the Killer 7. there ya go.
lol well there was a screw up point for me(happens everry so often) that dan dies....and garcians pistol isnt good enough to take on multiple enemies lol AND the controls (allthough genious) dont give you the ability to run past enemies
HAHAHA i think, typing this out answered my problem!
Emir/Garcian: This is too easy haha
DontCrYProductionsHD 7 months ago
Dan smith is sexeh
thezec 8 months ago
@thezec ^^ I agree.
ItachiUchiha715 7 months ago
god, I love this game!! If this game was a guy I would marry him!
TRaxRose 9 months ago 3
@TRaxRose nad if i were a woman i would make him cheat on you!
TheLakabanzaichrg 9 months ago
@TheLakabanzaichrg lol
TRaxRose 9 months ago
I guess Dan Smith didn't like this video
ZappaFan101 10 months ago 8
@ZappaFan101 LOL
Foilsdown 7 months ago
Dan Smith had been resurrected from the dead at least once before
his murder at the Union Hotel.
He knew that his boss could resurrect him from the dead; he knew
his boss was a total badass assassin. And his boss was on the
floor immediately above him. He may have waited to shoot because
he was pretty sure he wouldn't be permanently killed by the shot.
GermanZ5 1 year ago
So how Curtis killed Dan? Did Dan died 2 times or what???
comradez14 1 year ago
@comradez14
Every single member of Killer7 was killed once before the Union 7 hotel incident. Dan is just the one we get the most insight into.
NBluth 1 year ago
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comradez14 1 year ago
hmmm if you pause it a 0:23 you will see that dan did shoot but missed the target trust me i hate it as much as all the dan fans but he missed but he could have killed him i know he hessitated
te0202 1 year ago
@te0202 nah, they just didnt want emir to look like a cold blooded killer, so they made dan shoot first..
LucarFox 1 year ago
@te0202
Judging from th angle Dan probably shot Emir in the face.
Problem is the guy just can't die. Later he shot himself and came back as Garcian.
Or something like that, this game's a bit weird.
NBluth 1 year ago
@NBluth yeah man this game fcks peoples mind... but oh well its still awsome
te0202 1 year ago
@NBluth He didn't actually shoot himself, he failed to commit suicide.
LessthanJake14 1 year ago
@LessthanJake14
Check the video again, the gun went off inside his mouth.
He shot himself, fell to the ground and died. Then he was resurrected as Garcian, presumably by Harman who needed new assassins.
Garcian getting over his amnesia is the reason he freaks out at the end of the second to last chapter.
NBluth 1 year ago
@NBluth No, Emir KILLS Harman and absorbs him as a personality; although that doesn't matter because Harman is a demi-God.
Following the event, Emir has a mental breakdown, suffering from dis-associative personality disorder, and becomes the utterly subservient Garcian Smith. The whole 'shooting yourself in the head' is entirely symbolic; along with his third eye. But that was the night that Emir as a personality dies.
LessthanJake14 1 year ago
@LessthanJake14
Look, we could argue what is or isn't symbolic in killer7 for years and never manage to come to any kind of meaningful conclusion.
And while I agree that Emir most likely absorbed at least part of Harman's personality(Young Harman, based on the scene where Old Harman and Kun Lan get killed) it has no bearing on whether he died or not.
The third eye struck me as being like Kun lan's hand, it kept him alive until it closed and he shot himself.
Granted, this is mostly conjecture
NBluth 1 year ago
@NBluth Well, Kun Lan's hand is a constructive God power.
And Harman Smith's sniper rifle is a destructive God power.
So, MAYBE Emir's eye links with that.
Perhaps when killing Harman, Emir's personality becomes dominated by Harman's (because it's the personality of a demi-God, after all) and THAT'S what made him become Garcian. Then later, he comes to the realisation that he can become more than just a pawn in their chess game by shooting them to pieces.
LessthanJake14 1 year ago
@LessthanJake14
A lot of that makes sense.
As for the Emir/Garcian/Harman interaction, This is my theory:
Emir fought with Harman and attempted to take his power.
Instead, he gained the subservient Young Harman's powers/personality, becoming Garcian and leaving Harman comatose.
As Garcian had his mental breakdown, Young Harman broke free and killed Harman and Kun Lan as a final act of rebellion, accidentally opening the way for Emir to take control between the chapters "Smile" and "Lion."
NBluth 1 year ago
@NBluth Hence the rapid fire shooting!!!
You're on to something there!
LessthanJake14 1 year ago
@LessthanJake14 I had the same idea. Seeming as Harman had gray eyes and Kun Lan had red eyes. during the lion chapter Garcian has green eyes meaning becuase he was now awoken he had become a demi-god like Harman and Kun Lan. If Kun lans hand is constructive and Harmans is destructive the Garcians must be judgement as he does decide the fate of the world at the end with a gun in HIS RIGHT HAND same hand the other 2 used. Just a theory can't help but try and make sense out of this game lol XD
Stiglitz51 1 year ago
@Stiglitz51 Well, you need to be able to SEE in order to use the God power at all...(hint, hint)
LessthanJake14 1 year ago
@LessthanJake14 lol yeah im just sayin that it seemed kinda like all 3 of them were related by the end in my opinion. But then again though the story in this game is practically told by the people who are playing it. Fans more or less make the story =P
Stiglitz51 1 year ago
@LessthanJake14 my two cents on one portion of the game:
As I see it, the game is divided into several planes:
1) Gods plane - where Harman and Kun Lun are and see the world as it is and do with it what they want
2)Demi-God plane or Gods Hosts - like Garcian Smith, that Japanese guy, Heaven Smiles etc.
3)Spiritual plane - Ghost and such
4) Human plane - humans can't see Gods, ghosts, demi-gods (Garcian) until he reveals himself, and such but can see other 6 personas.
Harman---->Garcian---->6 P
comradez14 1 year ago
@comradez14 continuing:
So, Harman controls Garcian, Garcian controls other 6 personas, but appears as only one persona(obvious). Johny Gagnon explain that in one of the letters that Smiths are never seen together etc bla bla... So in the order of importance: Gods, Demi-Gods, Ghosts, Goverments(politicians) - Humans....
Now things I don't understand: Young Harman?Why does he look like God Harman?are they related or is young Harman an avatar of God Harman?how can he be alive after safe scene?
comradez14 1 year ago
@comradez14 Did you take this from the explanation found on GameFAQ's?
Because it sounds identical to it.
Emir first absorbed Principal Harman who then had the power of a God. As a result, he created another avatar: Young Harman. Young Harman then became the head of Union 7. When Emir killed off Union 7 at the hotel, he did not kill Young Harman because he was not included in the number. Perhaps Young Harman rebelled against God Harman and was responsible for Emir's resurrect.
LessthanJake14 1 year ago
@LessthanJake14 Nah, I read it from some guy couple of years ago, but can't remember the site, I don't think it's GameFAQ's but maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, I would agree totally with that guy cos u all can see that humans can't see or interact with highly beings... so that's a little shortened story and explains some weird scenes in game but not all of them :)
comradez14 1 year ago
@NBluth How are they killed when they are gods and appear 100 years later in Shangai???
comradez14 1 year ago
@comradez14
Well, obviously they weren't "Killed" killed.
They simply resurrected themselves after a time.
NBluth 1 year ago
dan why didnt you shoot that bastard you could have killed him man T_T
te0202 1 year ago
@te0202 he shoots him; you can hear one shot is fired just before Emir shoots him
AndrewSpriter 1 year ago
i was pissed when i played through the game and i found out dan was killed my Garcian(emir) Really Garcian his weak ass then i found out how badass garcian was. BUT STILL DAN SMITH IS A THE BAMF OF THE KILLER 7
AkitoHayama01 1 year ago
this is so like shin magami tensi
needa66762 1 year ago
@needa66762 nothing like it at all i played nocturne and the others that came out for ps2 plus some imported games it has elements like nocturne but its nothing like it
mindsouljah 1 year ago
he must thougth harman would bring him back to life again so he started showed of, this resulted in his boom headshot. his plan back fired when he was consumed by Emris 3rd eye (which dosn't even to begin to make sence) and became a part of him. his power that came from not firing was the abilty to shoot aspliosions.
LOOKTHEREAGAIN 1 year ago
dont get this why did he kill the killer 7?
n543576 1 year ago
@n543576 To gain them as personas.
BadPudding 1 year ago
@BadPudding did he work with them?
n543576 1 year ago
@n543576 He kinda stole their souls. They didn't know they'll be killed soon. Well some did, they ran, but got killed anyway.
sinni800 1 year ago
@sinni800 lol i read the book to it awhile ago it explained alot
n543576 1 year ago
I think Emir Shoots first and that it knocked Dan's shooting off balance... I've played the game other and over and although Dan has been a favourite of mine... I think Con has gotta be the best one.
DanJam88 2 years ago
hell yeah dan would shoot first
AndrewSpriter 2 years ago
I thought Curtis killed Dan <<
marluxiaman 2 years ago
Well he did killed Dan.
ricyorb 2 years ago
Revived by Harman to serve the Smiths.
theeboredone 2 years ago
@marluxiaman
Curtis killed Dan the first time. At this point Dan was already revived and absorbed by Harman after getting shot by Curtis. In this case his gun didt contain any ammo..,OR.., he doesn't fire even though he wins the draw; he's just being careless, assuming Harman will revive him anyway. Dan is a key persona because he was one of Harman's first ''personalities''. That's one of the reasons why his persona gets introduced at the beginning of the game, like Garcian.
Cornflakesss 2 years ago
Theres something I dont understand, what was the mission of the original Killer 7 the ones that were in the union hotel. Why did Kun Lan manipulated Emir to kill the original Killer 7 and Harman? Anyone care to explain
ricyorb 2 years ago
i still dont get the whole character thing can someone explain to me
flmae46 2 years ago
Hmmm... yanno, if you pause the video, you can see that Dan and Emir both fire at the same time. Guess Emir was just the luckier one this time. :P
drexen 2 years ago 3
Actually, you hear a click. Dan's gun had no ammo in it at the time. That's why Emir wasn't harmed at all.
GamingSzoul 2 years ago
Wasn't that the gun being cocked?
If so, that actually puts a new perspective on the 'Braggart Without Backing It Up' theory.
HMiste 2 years ago
Ah, yes it does, good point. Forgot about that. 'Tis been a while since I last played Killer 7.
GamingSzoul 2 years ago
garcian has a pretty low voice for a 13 year old.
pingpongman6543 2 years ago 6
Dan cool as fuck even to the death!
reniisgod 2 years ago 38
This just might be the only headshot that ever disappointed me.
1xadavid 2 years ago 6
same here
awesomekid9911 2 years ago
Did this take place before the beginning of the game?
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
The murders in the Union Hotel were commited before the game, yes.
HMiste 2 years ago
Then they were ressurected or something?
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
By Harman Smith acting under proxy of Garcian Smith/Emir Parkreiner.
HMiste 2 years ago 2
Dan's a bad ass till the end..
pepmiman 2 years ago
Noo, by baby :((
I hate this part of the game the most. I could almost not care that the other ones are getting shot lol.
Question is, though, why was Kaede running scaredly earlier? The part of her you play in the game would never do that.
breathofexodus00 2 years ago 2
When I played the game I just hated watching this part it was so sad, but damn it Dan why did you have to hesitate you didn't have to. Why!! Why!!
ffviicloudffvii7 3 years ago
comes back....as a personality of a guy the sounds jamacin like the grim reaper
a1ez11 3 years ago
lol greg eagles
HMiste 3 years ago
yeah well grim seems to have 7 more people to reep
a1ez11 3 years ago
and now that i look at it ... it seems there are alot of people from billy and mandy are in this game like Debi Derryberry and greg eagles
a1ez11 3 years ago
It's most likely a coincidence.
HMiste 3 years ago
probably
a1ez11 3 years ago
Damn it Otacon! Get a grip!
stinkoman2x6 3 years ago 21
This Dan looks like a talented slacker, holding back despite cocking his gun faster than Emir. That must be one of his bonuses as a personality: motivation and desire. With his full potential realized, he becomes (for many players) the workhorse of the Smith Syndicate.
kevinmmmk 3 years ago 4
In the face! (o_o)
AdiCool88 3 years ago
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seangames111 3 years ago
Wasn't a cheap shot.
LatentExpression 3 years ago
Emir shot a lil bit b4 Dan. jus by a milisecond.
METALmARiOKID91 3 years ago 2
:23 badass
METALmARiOKID91 3 years ago
yeah dans gun did shoot.
its just after that emir got put that hole in his head, hi fingers reflexed on the trigger.
but his gun went out of control, so it was a miss.
fagoboys 3 years ago
yep this is why his special is called the "callateral shot"
riku45 3 years ago
I get the ask first, shoot later referrence in this, but is it possible that Dan didn't have it in him to shoot and kill a 13 year old boy? Because in reality, that's who was killing all these people if you recall what Young Harman told Garcian at the end.
BiggieK7888 3 years ago
Is that a tattoo I see on Dan's left shoulder...? I wanna be like The Hellion! Coyote's death is pretty cool aswell.
vamppfw 3 years ago 6
How did dan miss? They both fired their guns at point-blank range.
smashbros75 3 years ago
No,they were in those ponit gun and some talk time but Emir din't want to talk and just shot
bernardrego 3 years ago
Dan beat Emir to the draw if you slow mo it, and even fired about a millisecond before Emir. I still don't see how he lost, unless Emir truly was immortal
At least Dan was badass, even when being killed
YetiRyne 3 years ago
Dan didn't shoot. You know how in movies they would both be aiming a gun at each other then talk? Well thats what happened hear but Garcian shot when Dan thought they would talk.
zeroskater1235 3 years ago
im not that far in the game so this may sound stupid but i thought curtis was the one that killed him
gsboss 3 years ago
Win the game then ask questions.
KillerConSmith 3 years ago
yea
harman brought em back to get revenge
theres some synopsis on the net of the game, if i can find it ill send it to ya
geminiredcard 3 years ago
thanks.
gsboss 3 years ago
Every Smith's death is ironic, right? How is this one ironic?
lordracozero 3 years ago
Dan forgot to shoot first and ask questions later, which he usually does.
Grimm986 3 years ago 5
Dan was my favorite charater
LiquidPhoenix34 3 years ago
Dan DOES shoot, but obviously misses. If you play the video in slow motion, you can see the muzzle flashes of both Emir's/Garcian's and Dan's gun and if you listen closely you can here the two shots fired almost synchronous.
TheSheepAmongWolves 4 years ago
wait there alot i dont get when this was going down was this emir killing dan or garcian? each smith dies twice right? so does there second death happen before the game or at the end????? so confusing
darkdrag187 4 years ago
i dont know if anyone has ever thought about this but Garcians a badass. if youve seen his russian roulette match with that one dude, there ya go. him killing the Killer 7. there ya go.
Brettney01 4 years ago
yeah I was angry when dan died too
but it had to be done
this is garcian's destiny
and to die was dan's
urinferior 4 years ago 2
no need to be angry cuz Dan wz dead b4 this anyway lol
Cooli3T 3 years ago
dan didnt shoot because he knew emir was going to kill harman i still hate that dan had to die
venom75x 4 years ago
I've always wondered why Dan didn't shoot, and Emir hesitated.
SeamusOMalley 4 years ago
Dan is a badass.
He is so fucking great *g*
eViLsKoLd 4 years ago
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fu** you capcom you suck balls well re4 was still good yep but this sucks aaaaaaa >:(!!!
tshatcher 4 years ago
Dan being an asshole that he is. He's great. Garcian is awesome as well, glad he had better focus towards the end
NameNotNeeded 4 years ago
Dan is the coolest son of a bitch I've ever seen. But Coyote put up a better fight.
Maddiox3 4 years ago 2
Coyote was kinda stupid though.
haloninja123 4 years ago
Dan is the one who had the time to talk before he was killed lol he just rocks (argh so hot!!!)
TRaxRose 4 years ago 2
wait a minute. i didnt notice this at first but compare Travis to Dan in this scene. THEY LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME.....
ShadowPhoenix142 4 years ago
lol this game was a bit hard because i only put dans skills up
deathreap800 4 years ago
That's all you need. ;) Dan rocks in any combat situation. Besides, he's the only guy who can take out those Deployer Smiles.
Collateral Shot rules!
m500ario 4 years ago
lol well there was a screw up point for me(happens everry so often) that dan dies....and garcians pistol isnt good enough to take on multiple enemies lol AND the controls (allthough genious) dont give you the ability to run past enemies
HAHAHA i think, typing this out answered my problem!
thnx XD L M A O
deathreap800 4 years ago
Oh damn, for real? lol, my bad man, wikipedia screwed up info again...*As expected.* :P Still, Dan is pretty badass.
BiggieK7888 5 years ago
Dan is so fucking badass.
But you have to admit, Garcian's pretty ballsy in that Russian Roulette.
betametroid 5 years ago
Oh wait my mistake i thought you were talking about something else. hehe
TheGrave999 5 years ago
Damn...that's Michael Gough?! Would you believe me if I told you cats that the badass you see before you's voice actor is 90?
BiggieK7888 5 years ago
Er, actually, there are two Michael Goughs in the voice acting business. The British one is the one who's ninety. |D;;
Emitly 5 years ago
omg dan shouldnt have died, he freakin drew first
anbucaptain 5 years ago
he's stuck in 24/7 badass mode. god, i love this game.
truman465 5 years ago 2
Dan is so cool, even at death he's cool!
JapanNerd 5 years ago