so to continue my point, no heretic,the person,is condemned. remember it is only by a souls complete rejection of God, whether in this lifetime or at judgement, are we cast into hell. So unless this person is fully rejecting the truth, and can only do so by having full knowledge of the truth, and then putting heresies in its place are they rejecting God and that action is condemned, but even then one can still repent. it s not until we have seen the full glory of God and still reject are we lost
we all know the story of the Schism,and we all understand the importance of Holy Tradition as Orthodox Christians, and we all should understand the effects of the schism in the world of christianity today. When Christ said, in reference to the heretics, "THEIR LOT IS HELL" He was referring tot he heresies themselves. dont forget that heresies come from the deviland are planted in the mind of any person at any time, it is only through the grace of the Holy SPirit that we are able to weed them out
Remember people,the orthodox Church along with the coptics,the Roman Catholics and the old eastern and syrian churches makes up the original church.I dont care what the evangelicals think the true churches have liturgy and ritual.Jesus came out of a culture whose culture consisted of liturgy.
Many of your Jesus pictures here are by a Mormon painter by the way. Find the orthodox faith and find true humility - not making up your own interpretations of scripture- like you know more than all the early fathers. All of the early church had bishops, liturgy, and a real Eucharist - not your cheap Protestantism
@TheSpyridon1 -- The person speaking in this video is an Orthodox priest, and all his views of those of the Orthodox Church. Either you watched the first 2 minutes of the video and than commented, or youve never read a book on the Orthodox Church and Doctrine in your life. BTW the pictures are irrelevant, I agree Icons would have been a better choice, but anything that is suppose to represent Christ's incarnation is fine.
I thought it should be the Christ be the final judge to decide who will be with Him and who will be not, it seems I am wrong after I have read the comments
the only ones who will be saved are those who have been sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise through faith in Christ.
His body is not made up of a church building...of any specific denomination but what I mentioned just above this paragraph. Those who have been sealed through faith in Christ...belief in who he is...in what he did....that he did it for them....and that he can do what he promised.
jesus, the cross and his blood...that is the answer.
Are you even interested in reading what we write, or are you just going to continue repeating yourself? Please, read this carefully....Your right in the eyes of God there are no denominations. Denominations are man-made.
God didn't come up with them, man did. This is why no one denomination is the way to God...a denomination, or physical church isn't the way to God....Jesus is the one and only way...and if you are truly reading what I'm writing, tell me what...
Can u read? There is only ONE CHURCH and many Sects - there are not different equal denominations. This is nonsense.
All those that do not belong to the Church of CHRIST - are without CHRIST. Protestants are SECTARIANS and will not be saved. They are heretics and NOT CHRISTIANS AT ALL.
I assume you believe you must belong to a physical church, presumably you are referring to either the roman catholic church, or the orthodox church, to be saved?
@adamantis4657 -- There is only one Judge, that is God. Lets keep it that way shall we? We dont know the heart of man like God, all we know is what the Bible and the Holy traditions have shown us. When it comes to salvation, we know what WE have to do to be saved, but we dont know who God will save... At the end of the day, is it a life of sacraments that saves me? Or is it God who instituted the sacraments for my benefit? I hope your answer is God
Because CHRIST allready has JUDGED through the Church and the Holy Fathers. But people today do not want to hear that. Heretis are under ANATHEMA - that means they are SEPERATED from christians, the church and GOD. There is NO SALVATION in HERESY. No matter how "good" the heretic may be - it is irrelevant.
We know from many Heretics that lived a holy life - but they were damned to Hell - because they lived in HERESY.
@adamantis4657 Playing the Devils advocate here (LOL) but I think you are doing more damage than good. Who are you to say whether God may make exceptions or not? Not to mention, if you are Orthodox I really need to ask, what exactly do you mean by "Salvation"?
There are NO EXCEPTIONS - who told u there are exceptions? Because it is the teaching of the CHURCH. All Fathers, the Saints, CHRIST, the MOTHER OF GOD etc...they all SAID: NO SALVATION FOR HERETICS. It is a FACT.
ANATHEMA is not a "rethorical" play of words but FACT: ANATHEMA means to be seperated from the Church and from GOD.
@magdynabilkelly From an Orthodox pespective the word "saved" really shouldnt be used, because it infers much too much Franco-Latin connotation. EVERYONE is saved as far as eternal life and bodily resurrection is concerned. How our "nous" responds to the uncreated energies of God, is really what this is about. Please dont mix Prostent/Latin terminology to try to explain Orthodoxy.
@vanight and what determines that is how much we reject augustinian "happyness" and embrace the things of the church in in effort to purify our "nous" or "noetic faculties". How do we do that? To start, baptism into the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic church, the sacraments, sacrifice, almes, tithing, etc.... self lessness, and emulating the lives of the saints as much as we can.
Wrong, because SALVATION is an ORTHODOX TERM and not Fanco-latin. Your - super-hesychastic "nous" All are saved nonsense sounds like u have read to much "esoteric" books?
Salvation means to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, to be united with God, to be in a speacial state and place etc..
Not be DAMNED for all ETERNITY, not to suffer, not to be in darkness, etc
Only he who doeth the will of the Father and this is the work of him that sent me that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Many will say Lord Lord and won't be saved because they believed in themselves and their own works as the way into heaven instead of Christ.
There is only one true church, in that you are correct. There is only one body of Christ. i don't think anyone will disagree.
Dude, I have to say. Your presentation of Orthodoxy lacks the grace that you claim you have full access to. You have done nothing but misalign my words, put words in my mouth, and overall have been condescending towards me. And now you are condemning me because I am not Orthodox even though I believe Jesus as Lord and have repented of my sins. God bless you and I will pray that you will be released from your pride and anger.
@eltronrangamma Its not pride and anger if he's speaking the truth in love. That's what matters. Without love and truth, love becomes meaningless, but truth without love just becomes harshness. You seem to have the love but you are lacking the truth, love without truth is meaningless. Eastern Orthodoxy is the truth. It is the Faith of the Prophets and the Apostles.
@mishakol129 Are you saying misaligning my words, putting words my mouth, being condescending, condemning Protestants to hell are excusable? You think that's "love"?
I do not condemn u because u are not ORTHODOX. I DID NOT CONDEMN U - BUT ALL SAINTS AND ALL FATHERS HAVE CONDEMNED U - and ALSO CHRIST.
Would I not tell u that u are condemned - I WOULD BE A LIAR!
It does not matter if u THINK that u believe in Christ - also the Nestorians thought that they believe in CHRIST - BUT CHRIST SAID: NESTORIANS ARE MY ENEMY!
When u have not confession etc - U CAN NOT EVEN REPENT OF YOUR SÌNS. Your sins are not forgiven!
Sorry, but I think u do not even know what Grace is or how it is felt. Grace is not a superficual "feeling" of peace - this is not the peace of CHRIST. Christ talked about two different kinds of peace - PEACE OF THIS WORLD and PEACE OF GOD.
Only when we are ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS and when we are ONE WITH CHRIST through his Mysteries and Repetnance - WE ARE IN PEACE and have Grace - UNCREATED ENERGIES.
Salvation comes not by what denomination you are, or by what physical church you belong to. Salvation comes through Christ...by believing in who he is, in what he did, that he did it for you and that he can do what he promised.
Christ's body isn't about a church with four walls, it's about the condition of your heart.
Most Protestants do not have FAITH IN CHRIST - or the TRUE CHRIST. They follow themselfs and not CHRIST.
They do not EAT HIS FLESH and they do not drink HIS BLOOD. Their sins are not forgiven because they do not confess them. Their baptism is waterplaying in swimming pools - and not a Mystery of the Church.
Their pastors are secular men - nothing more. They are full of deception
What does it mean to follow Christ? Do you believe that to mean that you must follow the vicar of Christ otherwise you aren't following the real Christ? Please share with me what you believe it means to have faith in Christ, and to follow him:)
@Myhopeisinhim Bro, you will not win in an argument with this guy. Give it up. He has lost all credibility (read: no authority) with me with his misquotation of Christ (Christ never said "Nestorians are my enemies"), his suggestion that God's grace does not exist outside of Orthodoxy, and saying the Saints and Christ have condemned me but not him (LOL--I have to laugh at this one).
How can u say Christ did not REJECT the HERETIC NESTORIANS? Of course - go and get some information.
Read the lifes of the Saints, read the stories of John Moschos and how Christ saved several nestorian monks. Read about the vision Christ has shown about the fate of Nestorians: BURING IN HELL together with ALL HERETICS.
The problem is that u protestant guys have no clue about church history and information.
this is actually a good video, and unfortunate that every "christian" religion that stemmed from catholicism, and the abuse of relgious leaders distorted for everyone what christianity is. I don't consider any other religion aside of orthodox Christianity - as christian. Anyone also involved in the occult or otherwise knows better about the roman catholic church and what these other "christian" churches are appealing to.
@eltronrangamma: The couple converted and they were immediatly heald.
THERE ARE THOUSENDS OF SUCH EXPERIENCES.
In Africa there was an orthodox Missionary from Mount Athos. Many protestant Sects were there. PEOPLE CAME TO HIM AND SAID:
What happened? Who are u? In the night we have seen CHRIST and the MOTHER OF GOD and the SAINTS. THEY TOLD US: GO TO THE ORTHODOX PRIEST - this is MY TRUE CHURCH.
Thousends came to him - all with the same story. Also many catholics. THIS IS TESTIFIED
There was a protestant couple that lived in Cerigov. The husband got ill - veryl ill and his wife heard about St. Theodosios and went to his reliqies. She prayed that her husband will be heald. IN THE NIGHT SHE HAD A VISION. St. THEODOSISO appeared to her.
SHAME ON u - U PROSTESTANTS - listen: YOUR HUSBAND WILL NOT BE HEALD UNTIL U CONVERT TO HOLY ORTHODOXY.
When u convert GOD will heal your husband immedialty if NOT HE WILL DIE. They conerted
Adamantis: It is impossible to do a discussion with you. You put words in my mouths, distort my words, and all that. Please learn a little about intellectual honesty and we can then discuss again.
@adamantis4657 Say whatever you want, bud. The proof is in the pudding and the evidence is there for people to see that you misread/misinterpret my words and put words in my mouth. They can be the judge.
@eltronrangamma: NESTORIAN - TRIED TO VENERATE THE TOMB of CHRIST!
There was a Nestorian who went to venerate the tomb OF CHRIST. When he entered the Anastasis he could not go into the tomb. Like an invisble wall hindered him to enter.
The Mother of God appeared and said: U ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER - U ARE NOT ONE OF US (the orthodox). Repent and turn to CHRIST and u are allowed to enter
This Nestorian repented and later was allowed to ENTER THE TOMB of CHRIST.
@emekonen Evidence? my pleasure. You can google "greek orthodoxy sex scandal", "greek orthodoxy drug deal", "greek orthodoxy anti-semitism", or "greek orthodoxy hypocrisy".
@adamantis4657 Really, do you have opposite evidence that suggest that these guys did not really do what they did? So all the scandal that is rocking the Greek clergy is all fabricated lies? I'd love to see the evidence for your claims. This is very interesting.
1) Adamantis, do you have reading comprehension problems? I dont like repeating. I am of the opinion only that grace exists OUTSIDE of Orthodoxy, and that being Orthodox does not GUARANTEE grace, although since you
@adamantis4657 believe in the Lordship of Jesus and have access to his ways and his teachings (and admittedly Orthodoxy is a very rich source in tapping into the Truth of Jesus) the grace to live righteously is available to you. Thousands of protestant child molesters, sure, but I never suggested Protestantism as the True Church. I depend on Jesus, the Spirit that testifies about him, and the Church, who I recognize by their fruits. If those guys repented of their sin and
I asked u who is your MASTER and who is your TEACHER and what have u answered? I FOLLOW MYSELF!
So u are not a CHRISTIAN but AN "ELTRONRANGAMMA-FOLLOWER" LOL
Christ is not with u - nor with any PROTESTANT.
So u think in the true CHURCH there are NO SINNERS? WHAT NONSENSE!
Even the Apostles denied CHRIST! Peter denied CHRIST 3 times. Jude betrayed CHRIST for 33 coins. IN the history of the Apostles u will read about SINNERS e
@adamantis4657 1) I said I follow Christ. It doesn't really matter what you say--if you are wrong and Christ is with me, you gotta prepare some serious judgement. "So u think in the true CHURCH there are NO SINNERS? WHAT NONSENSE" Nope. Never said that. I only suggested that through the Spirit we receive through Christ, we are given the GRACE to live righteously.
@adamantis4657 and depended on the grace of God to live righteously for the rest of their life, then I'd say they were part of the True Church. It is ridiculous to think that if you are Orthodox by name, and sin all your life, then die without repenting, that you will go to heaven because you were Orthodox. That is so contrary to the Bible that I do not even have to dispute that.
@adamantis4657 "God will not ask U WHAT GREEK HIERARCHS HAVE SINNED but HE WILL ASK U IF U WERE ORTHODOX OR NOT" Where do the Apostles write this in the Scripture? I haven't read this anywhere in Scripture.
@adamantis4657 What is your point? Read the Scripture again closely. It has to do with people that denied the Sonship of Jesus and his role as the Son of God. I dont know why you are bringing this Scripture up beause I do NOT deny Jesus as the Son of God.
@emekonen You still dont get the point emek. I dont represent "Protestantism". I dont represent the 10 000 "sects" out there. I try, to my best of ability, represent the name of Jesus. I don't associate myself with Todd Bentley.
The conscience and the heart. What does your heart have to say about the pride of Greek bishops? What does your conscience have to say of the hypocrisay of the greeks?
I referenced Christ! I didn't reference the law! Christ's doctrine was above the law, and he said not to be conceited, like the pharisees, and like every bishop in the entire world. I already knew that bishops and priests and deacons existed, but what does Christ have to say about it, and more importantly, to what is Christ appealing when he said those things I referenced?
@eltronrangamma did Christ found his church on st. peter? if so, the orthodox church is in bad shape. Shall we acts as the pharisees then? no, what I said, and what Christ said was that we shouldn't act like the pharisees. What Christ said was to do what the pharisees (and other authority figures tell us to do, or to do obedience) tell us to do. As for abolishing the law...what are you talking about?
2. And actually, I just don't like how the church buildings look...don't get me wrong I think they look beautiful, but they look expensive too. There's gold everywhere and and expensive artifacts...I don't mean to offend anyone of course, but I just don't like it like that, because it's not the church building that's important, it's the people. I just think the money could be spent better e.g. charity. The church I go to is jst a brick building with a cross at the centre
"don't increase the border of your garment, don't make long winded prayers in public to be seen of men, don't put the philactary on top of your head, don't say a repitious prayer like the pagans do (with prayer ropes), don't call anyone father or master (God's a spirit, too), don't sound bells before you pray, and don't follow the traditions of men (leave your family, leave thanksgiving, leave everything to devote your self to Christ).
Questions: First, Christ left a church? I thought he left a philosophy ("sell all thou hast, give to the poor, and come, take up the cross and follow after me"); second, why are the bible and greek tradition joined together?; third, why paul? He has his opinion, but he's not authoritative; fourth, aren't parishoners separated for the sake of chastity?; fifth, weren't churches made to face the east because pagan temples faced the west? wouldn't that be cultural?; lastly, Bishops?
@skotnevins Mt 16:18 - Christ found His church Mt 23 Christ specifically tells his followers to practice as the Pharisees, but dont do what they do Mt 5:17 - Christ clearly does not abolish the law and prophets but fulfills. Bishops, Deacons, and Priests are spoken of in the letters of St Paul to Timothy.
The Balkan Orthodox never went through the Lutheran rebellion and the bloody wars of the Reformation as did the Catholics. They had their own problems with the Ottoman invasion and the imposition of Islam and deep bitterness caused by a confused and self -defeating Vatican policy in the Balkans immediately before and during WW2. Even so the policy of Greece toward Protestant, Evangelical and JWitness missions is sadly lacking in tolerance
The underlying premise in this argument is that the identity of the people of God is determined by organizational succession. It might be a false proposition. If so, these arguments of the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics fail utterly.
The got a way with some funny stuff? The Catholics? They murdered and pillaged every culture where they went and no other have murdered as many christians exept perhaps Islam who is its evil twin. Look at your own history! Who sent one raiding army after another towards Byzantium? The Papacy and convinced Muslim warlords! I just think one must not diminish the works of the evil one.
@notjam3 They were sinning by worshiping the Sun, which happened to be in the East. That's not the same as worshiping an Eastern church or orienting a church building toward the East. Why would God care whether a church is oriented in a certain way?
Everything that belongs to the Father has been given to the Son. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father .....AND THERFORE also proceeds from the Son. To deny that is to be a heretic. The papal see is vacant, Benedict XVI and his 4 predecessors were in fact heretical antipopes, HOWEVER St. Peters LAWFUL successors have his same divinely ordained primacy and jurisdiction. Covert to the one true Catholic Faith outside of which nobody at all is saved. Visit vaticancatholicdotcom
Everything that belongs to the Father has been given to the Son. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father .....AND THERFORE also proceeds from the Son. To deny that is to be a heretic. The papal see is vacant, Benedict XVI and his 4 predecessors were in fact heretical antipopes, HOWEVER St. Peters LAWFUL successors have his same divinely ordained primacy and jurisdiction. Covert to the one true Catholic Faith outside of which nobody at all is saved. Visit vaticancatholicdotcom
it does not matter what denomination you are, Jesus can save anyone who comes to Him. We can do nothing for Him, because "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", and "there is none righteous, no not one" Just surrender to Christ's love and walk in faith.
@achelgeson93 Many Orthodox Christians would agree with you on this matter, because it is God who saves out of his grace. The Orthodox Church contains the fullness of the faith of Christ, however, remaining virtually unchanged since the apostles formed the Church at Pentecost. Although Protestant denominations can lead one to Christ, they eschew many of the practices that the first Christians practiced. Why have the bare minimum when you can have the fullness?
@jthomaston Not quite true. There were several different practices and beliefs even at the time of the apostles and certainly after. The "universal" christian church (political structure) and "correct belief" wasn't decided until the ecumenical councils hundreds of years later. That the Orthodox church has remained unchanged since the church at Pentecost is absurd.
@ibsd Actually, it's not absurd. The Church as remained unchanged. Study the Church in the Byzantine Empire. It's has evolved, yet remained fully rooted (unlike the Catholics, and especially the rootless Protestants). Pagan Rome, Byzantine, Ottoman, Russian, Soviet, et al., the Church has remained the same. This exciting fact, once you realize it, is what drives Protestants to our Church, back to their original home, Orthodoxy.
@nikoz78 Are you even reading what I wrote? Either you are not or you have very low reading comprehension. Churches at the time of Pentecost are described in the bible. Nothing about the sacraments, icons, perpetual virginity of Mary, etc.., etc... are described as being practiced in those churches. The orthodox church was started in 325 ad as its brand of Christianity had the most political power at the time to label all the others heretics. It is not the church of the bible, however.
Because from APOSTOLIC TIMES the church made IMAGES and ICONS - make a trip and see the Catacombs. St. Luke was the first ICON PAINTER - also CHRIST made an ICON when He impressed His Face into towel.
Also the apostolic Fathers TOUGHT THE PERPETUAL VIRGINITY OF THE THETOKOS. Also the Holy Mysteries can be found in the early church.
@adamantis4657 No I am not WRONG. You better check yourself. Everything you just told me is false. Google "Icon" and read the wikipedia entry. It is pretty good. You really need to look into what you just told me for yourself, or do you need for me to help you? Serious question. Show me where any of the apostles taught the perpetual virginity of Mary. i would like to see that. Lastly, I hope you aren't talking about the Shroud of Turin.. That was made sometime in the 13th century, not by Jesus.
@ibsd: NOTHING IS FALSE because I AM EDUCATED and I know the FACTS!
1.) ICONS AND IMAGES were used even in the OT when GOD ORDERED TO MAKE STATUES OF CHERUBIM. On the WALLS, curtains, DOORS, Arc - TWO BIG STATUES OF CHERUBIM IN THE HOLY OF HOLIES.
2.) THERE ARE MANY SHROUD's - not only that of Turin. And FACT is - NO ONE CAN SAY HOW OLD IT IS. Get INFORMATIONS
3.) Icons and Images ARE AS OLD AS CHRISTIANITY. There is much evidence (Catacombs).
@adamantis4657 By te apostolic fathers, do you been the "12 apostles"? Prove that they taught the perpetual virginity of Mary. I am posting reality, you are posting the good brainwashing you have gotten from Orthodoxy.
@adamantis4657 I know who the apostolic fathers are, but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you meant the apostles. Oops, you didn't. If you read my first posts on here, that is the reason I'm here. Mary had brothers and sisters and knew here husband Joseph in the bible. It was decided to be perpetual virginity later to match much earlier virgin goddess myths such as in Egypt and Greece. I follow NO MAN. I humbly seek the truth, free of programmed beliefs and dogma.
@ibsd The very oldest Christian catacombs feature icons ("windows to Heaven"), and they existed in Old Testament times. The Sacraments were created by God's prophets, thus they created the tradition of genuine Christian culture. We maintain this holy gift. "Orthodox" is a name that came much later. We are the living Church; we are Christian history itself. In all the Bible lands we are still there, and we own all the Holy sites. What you don't know could fill a book. TRUTH is ours.
@nikoz78 These are the kinds of comments that leave a bad taste in my mouth when I talk with Orthodox friends. Calling Protestants rootless? C`mon man. Besides having no historical ties to the "historical" church, what makes you think we are rootless?
@eltronrangamma Rootless, meaning no historical or cultural Christian TRADITION. Historical fact: Protestants were an egg laid by the Catholic Church. Hence, Protestants = Catholic Renegades. The unwilling parents of the Protestants, the Catholics, are themselves not the true Church because they separated themselves from us in 1054. Until that point, there were five Patriarchs, Rome included. The other four reject his claims as Pope to this today. They strayed FAR from us.
@nikoz78 Wouldn't you consider baptism, communion, and reading and speaking of the word "traditions"? Is this insufficient? If it's insufficient, and we are thus rootless, are you suggesting that we don't have any root in God?
@eltronrangamma I am not suggesting that Protestants have no root in God, or that they do not do God's work. Officially, Orthodoxy recognizes Protestants as legitimate Christians. Unofficially, as heretics. In light of the numerous attacks by Protestants against Orthodoxy, which is intense, we are simply pointing out that historical truth is indeed on our side. We are defending the True Faith, as we have always done.
@nikoz78 Well in that case, having root in God is enough for me, as I think having relation to antiquity does not guarantee God's grace (one reason I am unconvinced that you are defending the "True Faith" is that the root of Orthodoxy, Greek Orthodoxy, is currently rife with anti-semitism and corruption. I don't think it is a grace to hate on God's people at all. Also the persecution of protestants in Russia, etc.). It is a shame that we cannot break bread with one another though.
@eltronrangamma Anti-semitism is rife in many forms. In Greece, these animosities go back to ancient times. But Greece and Israel have formed very, very close ties recently (or haven't you heard?). What could be more "corrupt" than Protestants? 33,000 different sects of this rootless "neo-faith." Protestants have no right to go into Russia, an ancient Christian land (long before Martin Luther, the Catholic rebel, lived). Study history, you'll find the truth. You're missing out.
@nikoz78 1) Sure it is, but if you claim to be from the One Faith and if your current bishops are supposedly the successors of the Apostles, but are involved in all kinds of corruption and some wacky anti-Semitism, I wonder how True your Faith, which claims to have the fullnes of God's grace, is? If at the core and at the very top of Orthodoxy is involved in these very things, and these guys are apparently your teachers, how can they teach me God's grace? What exactly am I missing...
@eltronrangamma The Israeli's are our brothers. You're American, right? What do you know of the ancient lands of the Eastern Mediterranean and their peoples? You know nothing, only what your corporate-owned media tells you. If you're a Christian then why do you care about a false religion? "Supposedly the successors of the Apostles?" Man, read a book. Typical know-it-all Protestant that doesn't KNOW anything. We're the original Church, that's a clear historical fact.
@nikoz78 "The Israeli's are our brothers." If they are, why are your leaders saying things like Hitler was a puppet of Zionists and doing other evil anti-Semitic things? These are your leaders, not your parishioners. I'm not American. "If you're a Christian then why do you care about a false religion?" Huh? "Man, read a book. Typical know-it-all Protestant that doesn't KNOW anything." Interesting condemnation there, brother. God bless you for that.
@eltronrangamma In a Jewish museum is the original letter written by the Greek Archbishop Damaskinos (Wiki his name), leader of the Orthodox Church in Greece during four years of brutal Nazi occupation. In it, he boldly condemns the removal of Greece's ancient Jewish population. He then ordered all the priests in Greece to issue fake Orthodox ID cards to Jews. The Israelis have pointed out that no similar deed was performed anywhere else in Europe. Thousands of lives were saved.
@nikoz78 That's great, and God bless people for that. But you still don't see my point. The point is that many of your leaders are expressing all kinds of hatred towards the Jews and siding with the world to hate (and the corruption deal too). Being "part" of the ancient Church does not guarantee grace, even if you are part of the apostolic line. But apparently grace exists outside Orthodoxy because people I personally know display more grace than your anti-semitic leaders do.
@nikoz78 out on? I don't claim Protestants to be perfect, and we most certainly do not consider our leaders "apostles". But I have learned grace and have known upstanding humble non-Orthodox Christian men in life that have taught me about God's grace, whose lives reflected it more than your beloved "Apostolic successors" have. So for Orthodox to look down on us and call us rootless and say we don't have the fullness of God's grace is quite silly to me. You can be proud of the fact
@nikoz78 that you come from an unbroken lineage that points to the Apostles (Catholics can technically claim the same btw), it doesn't really matter to me. I have found that grace is still available among heretics like the Baptists. Secondly this: "Protestants have no right to go into Russia". Lol, what? That sounds like religious tyranny to me. It's an ancient Christian land but yet the rate of suicide is number one in the world, and the Russian mafia runs rampant. Obviously
@eltronrangamma The Orthodox do not proselytize. Don't you find that an interesting fact? Yet, you pushy know-it-all Johnny-come-lately's somehow see the genuine Christian religion as evil, and feel the need to "convert" us to Martin Luther's watered-down Protestant cult. We are not talking about some remote peoples who have never heard God's Word. You insultingly believe that the Orthodox are going to Hell and must be "saved." Bastardized grandchild telling grandpa their wrong.
@nikoz78 I never tried to convert you guys, brother. I already said I respect Orthodoxy. As far as those Russian protestants evangelizing to people, they understand the dynamics better than I do, and probably better than you do. I am ignorant on that fact. But really, does evangelizing to people in Russia (and they are not all Russian orthodox) warrant persecution? Do you really think God allows his followers to persecute people? Where in Scripture does God allow persecution?
@nikoz78 it seems that the Russian Orthodox Church needs some help on evangelism, yes? Looks like there are still parts of Russia that is not Christian, correct?
@eltronrangamma Seems to me that you harbor anti-Hellenic feelings. God's word was rejected by the Jewish people, still today. Thus, God found willing hearts among the Greeks. Anti-Hellenism/Orthodoxy is nothing new (long-running Western bias/jealousy). Look up "Greek Genocide" on Wikipedia, a part of the Christian Holocaust of 1914-1923 committed by the Muslim Turks, in which the Orthodox Armenians suffered most. Millions died. In Soviet Russia, 20 million Orthodox died.
@nikoz78 I don't harbor anti-Hellenic feelings, I don't have an interest in modern Greek culture (except the food, love it!) for me to have such strong sentiments towards the Greeks and orthodoxy. I'm just stating the facts about the corruption in Greek Orthodoxy. Chinese Christians also die under the hands of communists. Protestants that tried to print the Bible around the Reformation died also at the hands of Catholics. What is your point? I am not persecuting anybody.
@eltronrangamma "corruption in Greek Orthodoxy" Son, you don't know anything about Greek lands or Greek Orthodoxy. Only what your sinister media tell you. Greek culture is an unbroken legacy, a language that never died. Funny, you claim to be a Christian, yet don't even understand just how GREEK Christianity actually is. We have been defending the faith for almost 2,000 years. You don't begin to understand what Greece is about.
@nikoz78 You are saying that there is no corruption in Greek Orthodoxy? How do you account for all the scandals (money, sex, land) and all the anti-semitism? Where is the fullness of God's grace in this? God's grace should be on the anointed and they should be beacons of righteousness, correct? Why are they so caught up in controversy and all kinds of wicked things? Am I missing something? Should I overlook something here? What things I don tknow about Greek culture/orthodoxy
@nikoz78 that has me misinterpreting the scandals rocking the Greek Orthodox clergy, now? I am seriously curious about this. You think it's God's will is stripping Protestants of their rights? Where in Scripture do you read this? Didn't Jesus himself stop the disciples from preventing people to acting in his name if they don't have the proper credentials? Where is the precedent in Scripture to persecute believers of Jesus Christ? You should not let your emotions take over because
@eltronrangamma Also, concerning Russia, a land that has been Orthodox for over a thousand years: What gives you the right to go there and condescend these people? A low blow, considering 80 years of Soviet genocide and the worst persecutions in Christian history. Not even concentrated efforts by one of the most powerful states in history could destroy Orthodoxy. Your presence is offensive; as if they need the message. Go preach to peoples that have never heard the word of God.
@nikoz78 Low blow? How does evangelizing to people and reaching them for Jesus constitute as a "low blow"? Do you think God is acting gracefully through the ROC when they persecute the evangelicals and conspire (and work with Vladimir Putin) to strip them of their human rights? Do you think they are being "Christian" when they do that?
@eltronrangamma I think it's God's Will the Russian's protect their peoples, because the Protestants spread a dangerous false religion. In your own nations, we don't care. Stay out of ancient lands, you don't understand the dynamics. Typical WASP ignorance and arrogance.
@nikoz78 they cloud your judgment. I am not a WASP. I was born in the Philippines and grew up in Canada. So I have no relation to Anglo-saxon Protestants and don't associate myself with them and don't condone their acts. I myself am responsible for keeping in relationship with God, and stayiing true to the vine. You keep on mentioning that my "church" is literallly fragmented. My Church is Spiritual Israel, brother, and it is one. You can say whatever you want about it, but like
“ The Greek Orthodox Church and the Academic World of Greek People Protest against the Persecution... The Greek people were... deeply grieved to learn that the German Occupation Authorities have already started to put into effect a program of gradual deportation of the Greek Jewish community... and that the first groups of deportees are already on their way to Poland...
@eltronrangamma The letter in part reads: In our national consciousness, all the children of Mother Greece are an inseparable unity: they are equal members of the national body irrespective of religion... Our holy religion does not recognize superior or inferior qualities based on race or religion, as it is stated: 'There is neither Jew nor Greek' and thus condemns any attempt to discriminate or create racial or religious differences.
@nikoz78 I said, I have met people in my "fragmented" church that have displayed the fruits of the Spirit and the grace of God than your leaders have ever shown. Is it because Protestantism is the "true church"? No. It is because they have remained faithful to God, and have allowed the Spirit to work through them to do good works--hard to believe that it can occur outside the Orthodox church, huh? As far as Greeks owning the land--you are making it deceivingly simple. People are
@nikoz78 seemingly pissed over the fact that the Patriarch, who name was removed from the "Orthodox diptychs", sold land to Jewish investors. They are obviously not happy about selling holy land to the Jews. "What connection does you cult church have to anything to do with real Christianity." Which Christianity are you talking about? The Christianity that teaches me that Jesus is Lord, and that I should die to myself, and forgive my enemies, and be a salt to the world and all that?
@eltronrangamma Protestants don't understand the Bible. Historical record demonstrates that the Bible is an Orthodox text. It was written in Greek and to this very day the direct, unbroken descendants of the Apostles--Orthodox clergy--read the Bible in Koine Greek - even if they speak English, they are looking down at, and reading from, an untranslated Bible. We don't use a translation. 'False Prophets' were prophesied in a cave on the Greek island of Patmos in Revelations....
@nikoz78 I knew you would say this LOL. How is the Bible an Orthodox text? First of all, The Torah belongs to the Jews, and was originally written in Hebrew, right? Besides it being written in Greek (this is hardly an argument that the Bible belongs to Greek orthodoxy--it was written in Greek because that was the lingua franca at the time), what argument do you have that the Bible belongs to Orthodoxy? If us Protestant heretics don't understand the Bible, why do some of us display
@nikoz78 more of God's grace than your beloved leaders do? Why do some of the people I know display more of the Spirit's fruits than they do? We stupid, cult-like English-translation reading, fragmented church-going heretics wouldn't be able to display the Spirit's fruits if we don't understand the Bible. Are you sayiing we don't need the Bible for edification? Because if we can't understand the Bible, how else can we be edified?
@nikoz78 As I said before, I admire Orthodoxy and there are lots to be learned from Orthodoxy history and the early Church fathers, but once you start to only hear condemning and condescending statements like we're rootless, borderline heretics, that we lack the fullness of grace, etc. while the leaders of your congregations are engaged in the worst kinds of corruption and Jew hatred kinda kills the effect of those harsh words towards us "heretics" yes?
@eltronrangamma Again, you're talking foolishly. Seems to me that the worst crimes in history were committed by Anglo-Saxon Protestants, and some Catholics, too. Genocide of Indians, Jews, blacks (also enslaved), you name it. Which-burnings, etc. You don't know anything about our Church, just media bias. Your church is literally fragmented in 33,000 different "denominations." We are pre-denominational and united in Christ, always have been. Greek Orthodox own 67% of Israeli land.
@nikoz78 I am pretty much connected to that kind of Christianity. Am I connected to a "real" Christianity of murder (White Anglo Saxon Protestantism, as you put it), of persecution, of sex, money, and land scandal, of Anti-semitism? Not at all. I don't want nothing to do with it.
@eltronrangamma You conveniently ignore my proof that Orthodox Church doesn't hate Jews. And you would be obstinate not to admit that anti-Semites rear their ugly heads everywhere, in all nations and in all things, not just in the Greek Republic or it's puppet-government in Cyprus. Haven't you heard about Israel and Greece forming a very strong military Alliance??? Seems like the Israeli's would disagree with you. I hear they throw rocks at you in Russia. Heretic.
@nikoz78 I don't conveniently ignore that. Obviously some Greek Orthodox do not hate Jews. I said SOME of your LEADERS hate Jews, which is surprising for me since they should be examples of God's grace. I also did not say anything that there is anti-semitism is ONLY found in Greece. Reading comprehension is essential, brother, less there is misunderstanding. "I hear they throw rocks at you in Russia. Heretic." Interesting, more hateful comments. God bless you too.
@eltronrangamma I like Jews, but I am not uncritical of all Israelis. You sound like a typical Protestant apologetic as regards Israel. Zionist are criticized by other Jews too. What, you think modern Israel is fulfilling some prophecy? "Any nation that stands against Israel will fall." The Bible is clearly referring to Christian civilization, the true Israel, the followers of Christ. Very revealing. The Israeli's regularly mock Christians. They think Jesus was a false prophet.
so to continue my point, no heretic,the person,is condemned. remember it is only by a souls complete rejection of God, whether in this lifetime or at judgement, are we cast into hell. So unless this person is fully rejecting the truth, and can only do so by having full knowledge of the truth, and then putting heresies in its place are they rejecting God and that action is condemned, but even then one can still repent. it s not until we have seen the full glory of God and still reject are we lost
baseballgreekz 6 days ago
we all know the story of the Schism,and we all understand the importance of Holy Tradition as Orthodox Christians, and we all should understand the effects of the schism in the world of christianity today. When Christ said, in reference to the heretics, "THEIR LOT IS HELL" He was referring tot he heresies themselves. dont forget that heresies come from the deviland are planted in the mind of any person at any time, it is only through the grace of the Holy SPirit that we are able to weed them out
baseballgreekz 6 days ago
Remember people,the orthodox Church along with the coptics,the Roman Catholics and the old eastern and syrian churches makes up the original church.I dont care what the evangelicals think the true churches have liturgy and ritual.Jesus came out of a culture whose culture consisted of liturgy.
umaara100 1 week ago
Dear video guy:
Many of your Jesus pictures here are by a Mormon painter by the way. Find the orthodox faith and find true humility - not making up your own interpretations of scripture- like you know more than all the early fathers. All of the early church had bishops, liturgy, and a real Eucharist - not your cheap Protestantism
TheSpyridon1 2 weeks ago
@TheSpyridon1 -- The person speaking in this video is an Orthodox priest, and all his views of those of the Orthodox Church. Either you watched the first 2 minutes of the video and than commented, or youve never read a book on the Orthodox Church and Doctrine in your life. BTW the pictures are irrelevant, I agree Icons would have been a better choice, but anything that is suppose to represent Christ's incarnation is fine.
magdynabilkelly 2 weeks ago
I thought it should be the Christ be the final judge to decide who will be with Him and who will be not, it seems I am wrong after I have read the comments
chevalier028 1 month ago
@chevalier028: Yes, u are wrong. Because CHRIST has judged allready through HIS CHURCH and the Holy Fathers.
When the Holy Fathers through the Holy Spirit have set the Heretics under Anathema - this is an ETERNAL DECISION.
Heretics will not be saved: CHRIST OFTEN also TOLD THIS to many Saints and ELDERS. CHRIST SAID:
THEIR LOT IS HELL!
adamantis4657 2 weeks ago
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the only ones who will be saved are those who have been sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise through faith in Christ.
His body is not made up of a church building...of any specific denomination but what I mentioned just above this paragraph. Those who have been sealed through faith in Christ...belief in who he is...in what he did....that he did it for them....and that he can do what he promised.
jesus, the cross and his blood...that is the answer.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim: Sorry but protestant crap!
There ARE NO DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS - that is a protestant fairy tale - nothing more. Only an uneducated person can say such silly thing.
There always have been ONE TRUE CHURCH - the mystical body of Christ. Those Sects do not belong to this Body - they are outside of the chosen people.
That is why from apostolic times those Sects were excluded and dismissed.
Protestants do not believe in CHRIST - they believe in themselfes.
adamantis4657 2 months ago
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Are you even interested in reading what we write, or are you just going to continue repeating yourself? Please, read this carefully....Your right in the eyes of God there are no denominations. Denominations are man-made.
God didn't come up with them, man did. This is why no one denomination is the way to God...a denomination, or physical church isn't the way to God....Jesus is the one and only way...and if you are truly reading what I'm writing, tell me what...
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
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you disagree with rather than just complaining about protestants and actually have a conversation.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Yesssssssssssss Myhope ! Very good commentary ! ;o)
an35tares 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim: AGAIN - NO DENOMINATIONS!
Can u read? There is only ONE CHURCH and many Sects - there are not different equal denominations. This is nonsense.
All those that do not belong to the Church of CHRIST - are without CHRIST. Protestants are SECTARIANS and will not be saved. They are heretics and NOT CHRISTIANS AT ALL.
Protestants can not be called CHRISTIANS!
adamantis4657 2 months ago
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@adamantis4657
I assume you believe you must belong to a physical church, presumably you are referring to either the roman catholic church, or the orthodox church, to be saved?
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@adamantis4657 -- There is only one Judge, that is God. Lets keep it that way shall we? We dont know the heart of man like God, all we know is what the Bible and the Holy traditions have shown us. When it comes to salvation, we know what WE have to do to be saved, but we dont know who God will save... At the end of the day, is it a life of sacraments that saves me? Or is it God who instituted the sacraments for my benefit? I hope your answer is God
magdynabilkelly 2 weeks ago
@magdynabilkelly: WRONG
Because CHRIST allready has JUDGED through the Church and the Holy Fathers. But people today do not want to hear that. Heretis are under ANATHEMA - that means they are SEPERATED from christians, the church and GOD. There is NO SALVATION in HERESY. No matter how "good" the heretic may be - it is irrelevant.
We know from many Heretics that lived a holy life - but they were damned to Hell - because they lived in HERESY.
Heresy is a very dangerous thing!
adamantis4657 2 weeks ago
@adamantis4657 Playing the Devils advocate here (LOL) but I think you are doing more damage than good. Who are you to say whether God may make exceptions or not? Not to mention, if you are Orthodox I really need to ask, what exactly do you mean by "Salvation"?
vanight 1 week ago
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@vanight: God makes exceptions?
There are NO EXCEPTIONS - who told u there are exceptions? Because it is the teaching of the CHURCH. All Fathers, the Saints, CHRIST, the MOTHER OF GOD etc...they all SAID: NO SALVATION FOR HERETICS. It is a FACT.
ANATHEMA is not a "rethorical" play of words but FACT: ANATHEMA means to be seperated from the Church and from GOD.
adamantis4657 1 week ago
@magdynabilkelly From an Orthodox pespective the word "saved" really shouldnt be used, because it infers much too much Franco-Latin connotation. EVERYONE is saved as far as eternal life and bodily resurrection is concerned. How our "nous" responds to the uncreated energies of God, is really what this is about. Please dont mix Prostent/Latin terminology to try to explain Orthodoxy.
vanight 1 week ago
@vanight and what determines that is how much we reject augustinian "happyness" and embrace the things of the church in in effort to purify our "nous" or "noetic faculties". How do we do that? To start, baptism into the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic church, the sacraments, sacrifice, almes, tithing, etc.... self lessness, and emulating the lives of the saints as much as we can.
vanight 1 week ago
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@vanight: SAVED
Wrong, because SALVATION is an ORTHODOX TERM and not Fanco-latin. Your - super-hesychastic "nous" All are saved nonsense sounds like u have read to much "esoteric" books?
Salvation means to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, to be united with God, to be in a speacial state and place etc..
Not be DAMNED for all ETERNITY, not to suffer, not to be in darkness, etc
This is SALVATION
adamantis4657 1 week ago
@Myhopeisinhim: PROTESTANTS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS!
1.) They do not belong to the mystical Body of CHRIST
2.) They do not know CHRIST
3.) They have rejected CHRIST
4.) They are HERETICS
5.) NO BLOOD - NO CROSS - NOTHING - NO SALVATION = Protestantism!
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@adamantis4657
Only he who doeth the will of the Father and this is the work of him that sent me that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Many will say Lord Lord and won't be saved because they believed in themselves and their own works as the way into heaven instead of Christ.
There is only one true church, in that you are correct. There is only one body of Christ. i don't think anyone will disagree.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim: Again - Protestants will not be saved!
1.) There is only ONE TRUE CHURCH = Holy Orthodox Church
2.) There have been always different Sects - but they were cast out from Orthodoxy: Nestorians, Montanists, those of Mani, Gnostics etc...
3.) There are not different christian denominations or groups - this is nonsense. And everyone who studies the history of the church can see it.
4.) Sectarians will not be saved! This is clear - and WE KNOW IT.
adamantis4657 2 months ago
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@eltronrangamma
not that I believe the way they do but there is some truth to the enemy deal. We were all enemies of God before we came to Christ.
I'll make a comment or two so people will see the gospel hopefully.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
Dude, I have to say. Your presentation of Orthodoxy lacks the grace that you claim you have full access to. You have done nothing but misalign my words, put words in my mouth, and overall have been condescending towards me. And now you are condemning me because I am not Orthodox even though I believe Jesus as Lord and have repented of my sins. God bless you and I will pray that you will be released from your pride and anger.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma Its not pride and anger if he's speaking the truth in love. That's what matters. Without love and truth, love becomes meaningless, but truth without love just becomes harshness. You seem to have the love but you are lacking the truth, love without truth is meaningless. Eastern Orthodoxy is the truth. It is the Faith of the Prophets and the Apostles.
mishakol129 2 months ago
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@mishakol129 Are you saying misaligning my words, putting words my mouth, being condescending, condemning Protestants to hell are excusable? You think that's "love"?
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: U ARE WRONG!
I do not condemn u because u are not ORTHODOX. I DID NOT CONDEMN U - BUT ALL SAINTS AND ALL FATHERS HAVE CONDEMNED U - and ALSO CHRIST.
Would I not tell u that u are condemned - I WOULD BE A LIAR!
It does not matter if u THINK that u believe in Christ - also the Nestorians thought that they believe in CHRIST - BUT CHRIST SAID: NESTORIANS ARE MY ENEMY!
When u have not confession etc - U CAN NOT EVEN REPENT OF YOUR SÌNS. Your sins are not forgiven!
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: GRACE!
Sorry, but I think u do not even know what Grace is or how it is felt. Grace is not a superficual "feeling" of peace - this is not the peace of CHRIST. Christ talked about two different kinds of peace - PEACE OF THIS WORLD and PEACE OF GOD.
Only when we are ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS and when we are ONE WITH CHRIST through his Mysteries and Repetnance - WE ARE IN PEACE and have Grace - UNCREATED ENERGIES.
Everything else is human imagination!
adamantis4657 2 months ago
Jeez..seriously. Youtube needs an ignore button.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: U SHOULD NOT WASTE YOUR TIME HERE!
Study the Bible and the writings of the Apostolic Fathers and the Holy Fathers. Study the history of the Church and the Bible.
Than REPENT AND RETURN TO CHRIST - U WILL NOT BE SAVED AS PROTESTANT believe me.
Do u want to be SEPERATED FROM CHRIST FOR ALL ETERNITY? Horrible even to think.
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@adamantis4657
Salvation comes not by what denomination you are, or by what physical church you belong to. Salvation comes through Christ...by believing in who he is, in what he did, that he did it for you and that he can do what he promised.
Christ's body isn't about a church with four walls, it's about the condition of your heart.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim: Wrong - this is PROTESTANT NONSENSE!
The Holy Church = MYSTICAL BODY OF CHRIST - there is ONLY ONE TRUE CHURCH= HOLY ORTHODOX CHURCH. WE ARE ONE IN CHRIST.
There are not different christian denominations - THAT IS PROTESTANT NONSENSE - Protestants ARE HERETICS AND ARE CONDEMNED FOR ALL ETERNITY.
There is NO SALVATION IN PROTESTANTISM.
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim: FAITH IN CHRIST!
Most Protestants do not have FAITH IN CHRIST - or the TRUE CHRIST. They follow themselfs and not CHRIST.
They do not EAT HIS FLESH and they do not drink HIS BLOOD. Their sins are not forgiven because they do not confess them. Their baptism is waterplaying in swimming pools - and not a Mystery of the Church.
Their pastors are secular men - nothing more. They are full of deception
adamantis4657 2 months ago
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@adamantis4657
What does it mean to follow Christ? Do you believe that to mean that you must follow the vicar of Christ otherwise you aren't following the real Christ? Please share with me what you believe it means to have faith in Christ, and to follow him:)
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim: This is all Protestant NONSENSE!
1.) Have u read the Scriptures? NOT ALL THAT WILL SAY: LORD LORD will be saved. Away Ye cursed in the ETERNAL FIRE.....
2.) Christ also has not founded different groups of self-leading guys baptising in swimming pools. BUT ONLY ONE TRUE CHURCH.
3.) We have to follow Holy Scripture and Apostolic teaching. And also the Holy Fathers. Not "Jesus Freaks".
I do not know a "Vicar of CHRIST"
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Dude...like I said, give it up. He says "Christ said: Nestorians are my enemies", when Christ never said that.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: YES - CHRIST SAID - NESTORIANS ARE MY ENEMY!
How can u say He did not? Have u read John Moschus? Have u studied the long history of Nestorianism?
Have u read about Arius and the Arians? When Christ appeared to St. Peter of Alexandria and told him: DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ARIANISM.
Nestorius is in Hell and all his followers! The 12 Anathemas against Nestorius and his Errors.
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Bro, you will not win in an argument with this guy. Give it up. He has lost all credibility (read: no authority) with me with his misquotation of Christ (Christ never said "Nestorians are my enemies"), his suggestion that God's grace does not exist outside of Orthodoxy, and saying the Saints and Christ have condemned me but not him (LOL--I have to laugh at this one).
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: CHRIST SAID: NESTORIANS ARE MY ENEMY!
How can u say Christ did not REJECT the HERETIC NESTORIANS? Of course - go and get some information.
Read the lifes of the Saints, read the stories of John Moschos and how Christ saved several nestorian monks. Read about the vision Christ has shown about the fate of Nestorians: BURING IN HELL together with ALL HERETICS.
The problem is that u protestant guys have no clue about church history and information.
adamantis4657 2 months ago
(Not that it;s a bad thing on it's own, they just won't admit it, and take advantage of their followers )
rosskay 2 months ago
this is actually a good video, and unfortunate that every "christian" religion that stemmed from catholicism, and the abuse of relgious leaders distorted for everyone what christianity is. I don't consider any other religion aside of orthodox Christianity - as christian. Anyone also involved in the occult or otherwise knows better about the roman catholic church and what these other "christian" churches are appealing to.
rosskay 2 months ago
Is there an ignore function on youtube? This guy needs to stop spamming my mail.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma yes you can block people
rosskay 2 months ago
@rosskay How do you do it?
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: The couple converted and they were immediatly heald.
THERE ARE THOUSENDS OF SUCH EXPERIENCES.
In Africa there was an orthodox Missionary from Mount Athos. Many protestant Sects were there. PEOPLE CAME TO HIM AND SAID:
What happened? Who are u? In the night we have seen CHRIST and the MOTHER OF GOD and the SAINTS. THEY TOLD US: GO TO THE ORTHODOX PRIEST - this is MY TRUE CHURCH.
Thousends came to him - all with the same story. Also many catholics. THIS IS TESTIFIED
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: SO I ASK U - RETURN TO CHRIST - HE IS WAITING FOR U.
Do not put yourself into HELL. Do not judge yourself!
I BEG U - not to follow SATAN. Come and see how sweet OUR LORD IS.
Pray to HIM - to lead u TO TRUTH = CHRIST.
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: St. THEODOSIOS of CERNIGOV
There was a protestant couple that lived in Cerigov. The husband got ill - veryl ill and his wife heard about St. Theodosios and went to his reliqies. She prayed that her husband will be heald. IN THE NIGHT SHE HAD A VISION. St. THEODOSISO appeared to her.
SHAME ON u - U PROSTESTANTS - listen: YOUR HUSBAND WILL NOT BE HEALD UNTIL U CONVERT TO HOLY ORTHODOXY.
When u convert GOD will heal your husband immedialty if NOT HE WILL DIE. They conerted
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: PROTESTANTS ARE ICONOCLASTS!
I don't know if u know the "whole" Story of Iconoclasm? Do u know how many Saints have died for the Holy Icons? Do u know how many miracles happened?
When the Iconclasts destroyed the Icons of CHRIST? Many have seen the Iconclasts BURNING IN HELL for destroying the ICONS OF CHRIST.
Christ appeared to Empress Pulcheria because she was praying unceasingly for her husband who was a Icnonclast - HE WAS IN HELL.
adamantis4657 2 months ago
Adamantis: It is impossible to do a discussion with you. You put words in my mouths, distort my words, and all that. Please learn a little about intellectual honesty and we can then discuss again.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: U SAID U IGNORE ME but 2 Second later u again respond? HM
adamantis4657 2 months ago
Dude I am done here. It is a waste of time to discuss with you. I will ignore you from now on.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: REALLY? LOL
U asked me to show u my "WISDOM" - I have shown and now u run away? LOL
U were contradicting yourself over and over again! LOL that is typical for protestants
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@adamantis4657 Say whatever you want, bud. The proof is in the pudding and the evidence is there for people to see that you misread/misinterpret my words and put words in my mouth. They can be the judge.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: Yeah and people will see that u are wrong! ;)
U are like ALL OTHER PROTESTANTS - it is always the same. ALWAYS.
Especially those protestant heretics from USA - they are special. Protestants from Germany are different.
USA = UNITED SECTS OF AMERICA
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: NESTORIAN - TRIED TO VENERATE THE TOMB of CHRIST!
There was a Nestorian who went to venerate the tomb OF CHRIST. When he entered the Anastasis he could not go into the tomb. Like an invisble wall hindered him to enter.
The Mother of God appeared and said: U ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER - U ARE NOT ONE OF US (the orthodox). Repent and turn to CHRIST and u are allowed to enter
This Nestorian repented and later was allowed to ENTER THE TOMB of CHRIST.
adamantis4657 2 months ago
greath video friend, and if protestants consider themselfs christians than they also must accept criticism with dignity as Christ did
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@emekonen Evidence? my pleasure. You can google "greek orthodoxy sex scandal", "greek orthodoxy drug deal", "greek orthodoxy anti-semitism", or "greek orthodoxy hypocrisy".
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: GREEK ORTHODOX SEX SCANDAL!
So AGAIN! I have told u that I KNOW THAT STORIES but MOST OF THEM ARE FAKED from ANTI-CHRISTIAN people.
1.) Only Because a HIERARCH is a SINNER is not a proof that ORTHODOXY IS NOT RIGHT
2.) THERE ARE THOUSENDS OF PROTESTANT CHILD MOLESTERS - especially here in Germany. AND NOW? What does this prove? NOTHING
3.) I have told u: God will not ask U WHAT GREEK HIERARCHS HAVE SINNED but HE WILL ASK U IF U WERE ORTHODOX OR NOT
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@adamantis4657 Really, do you have opposite evidence that suggest that these guys did not really do what they did? So all the scandal that is rocking the Greek clergy is all fabricated lies? I'd love to see the evidence for your claims. This is very interesting.
1) Adamantis, do you have reading comprehension problems? I dont like repeating. I am of the opinion only that grace exists OUTSIDE of Orthodoxy, and that being Orthodox does not GUARANTEE grace, although since you
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@adamantis4657 believe in the Lordship of Jesus and have access to his ways and his teachings (and admittedly Orthodoxy is a very rich source in tapping into the Truth of Jesus) the grace to live righteously is available to you. Thousands of protestant child molesters, sure, but I never suggested Protestantism as the True Church. I depend on Jesus, the Spirit that testifies about him, and the Church, who I recognize by their fruits. If those guys repented of their sin and
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: U depend ony YOURSELf and not CHRIST!
I asked u who is your MASTER and who is your TEACHER and what have u answered? I FOLLOW MYSELF!
So u are not a CHRISTIAN but AN "ELTRONRANGAMMA-FOLLOWER" LOL
Christ is not with u - nor with any PROTESTANT.
So u think in the true CHURCH there are NO SINNERS? WHAT NONSENSE!
Even the Apostles denied CHRIST! Peter denied CHRIST 3 times. Jude betrayed CHRIST for 33 coins. IN the history of the Apostles u will read about SINNERS e
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@adamantis4657 1) I said I follow Christ. It doesn't really matter what you say--if you are wrong and Christ is with me, you gotta prepare some serious judgement. "So u think in the true CHURCH there are NO SINNERS? WHAT NONSENSE" Nope. Never said that. I only suggested that through the Spirit we receive through Christ, we are given the GRACE to live righteously.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: U SAID U FOLLOW CHRIST?
And now? Muslims also say the are the true followers of CHRIST and now? Does that mean that Muslims are true CHRISTIANS? LOL
CHRIST IS NOT WITH U - because HE IS NOT WITH HERETICS.
U said the TRUE CHURCH is the BODY OF THOSE WHO DO NOT SIN - now u say we receive the Spriti to live righteously.
Why than so many PROTESTANTS do not live rightously? HM
With every post u cantradict yourself more and more!
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@adamantis4657 and depended on the grace of God to live righteously for the rest of their life, then I'd say they were part of the True Church. It is ridiculous to think that if you are Orthodox by name, and sin all your life, then die without repenting, that you will go to heaven because you were Orthodox. That is so contrary to the Bible that I do not even have to dispute that.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: ORTHODOX AUTOMATICALLY GO TO HEAVEN!
AGAIN - WHAT NONSENSE! No one said that. I think u did not get the point.
HERETIC CAN NOT BE SAVED - because HERESY means BEEING CUT OFF from CHRIST. How can anyone being saved when he is cut of from CHRIST.
Even when a heretic like Muslim for example LIVES LIKE A SAINT - HE WILL NOT ENTER THE ETERNAL KINDGOM because he is cut from CHRIST.
On the OTHER SIDE an ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN EVEN WHEN HE IS A SINNER and REPENTS can be saved
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@adamantis4657 LOL...sighs. Reading comprehension friend, reading comprehension. Is English your 2nd language?
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@adamantis4657 "God will not ask U WHAT GREEK HIERARCHS HAVE SINNED but HE WILL ASK U IF U WERE ORTHODOX OR NOT" Where do the Apostles write this in the Scripture? I haven't read this anywhere in Scripture.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: SCRIPTURE!
U did not read that in Scripture? I have given the sources where Peter spoke about those that left the CHURCH!
THEY NEVER BELONGED TO US- BECAUSE IF THEY WOULD HAVE BELONGED TO US - THEY WOULD HAVE STAYED.
CHRIST also was speaking about those calling HIm: LORD LORD - have we not preached in your NAME - have we not cast out Demons in your NAME.
HIS ANSWER:
AWAY YE CURSED - IN THE ETERNAL FIRE - I DO NOT KNOW U!
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@adamantis4657 What is your point? Read the Scripture again closely. It has to do with people that denied the Sonship of Jesus and his role as the Son of God. I dont know why you are bringing this Scripture up beause I do NOT deny Jesus as the Son of God.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@emekonen You still dont get the point emek. I dont represent "Protestantism". I dont represent the 10 000 "sects" out there. I try, to my best of ability, represent the name of Jesus. I don't associate myself with Todd Bentley.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@emekonen I swear Youtube is being so annoying. I cant post.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
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eltronrangamma 2 months ago
The conscience and the heart. What does your heart have to say about the pride of Greek bishops? What does your conscience have to say of the hypocrisay of the greeks?
skotnevins 2 months ago
I referenced Christ! I didn't reference the law! Christ's doctrine was above the law, and he said not to be conceited, like the pharisees, and like every bishop in the entire world. I already knew that bishops and priests and deacons existed, but what does Christ have to say about it, and more importantly, to what is Christ appealing when he said those things I referenced?
skotnevins 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma did Christ found his church on st. peter? if so, the orthodox church is in bad shape. Shall we acts as the pharisees then? no, what I said, and what Christ said was that we shouldn't act like the pharisees. What Christ said was to do what the pharisees (and other authority figures tell us to do, or to do obedience) tell us to do. As for abolishing the law...what are you talking about?
skotnevins 2 months ago
continuation...
2. And actually, I just don't like how the church buildings look...don't get me wrong I think they look beautiful, but they look expensive too. There's gold everywhere and and expensive artifacts...I don't mean to offend anyone of course, but I just don't like it like that, because it's not the church building that's important, it's the people. I just think the money could be spent better e.g. charity. The church I go to is jst a brick building with a cross at the centre
schpoogie 2 months ago
This is a very very hard journey for me, I'm really trying to find the truth in the matter. Is it just the Bible, or is it the Bible + tradition?
Is it salvation by God's Grace and nothing other, or is it salvation by God's grace + the seven sacrements?
The two big problems I have with the Orthodoxy church is
1. The fact that none of the traditions are mentioned in the Bible, how do we know that these are the things that the apostles reallt taught?
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schpoogie 2 months ago
Bishops do all that stuff.
skotnevins 2 months ago
"don't increase the border of your garment, don't make long winded prayers in public to be seen of men, don't put the philactary on top of your head, don't say a repitious prayer like the pagans do (with prayer ropes), don't call anyone father or master (God's a spirit, too), don't sound bells before you pray, and don't follow the traditions of men (leave your family, leave thanksgiving, leave everything to devote your self to Christ).
skotnevins 2 months ago
Questions: First, Christ left a church? I thought he left a philosophy ("sell all thou hast, give to the poor, and come, take up the cross and follow after me"); second, why are the bible and greek tradition joined together?; third, why paul? He has his opinion, but he's not authoritative; fourth, aren't parishoners separated for the sake of chastity?; fifth, weren't churches made to face the east because pagan temples faced the west? wouldn't that be cultural?; lastly, Bishops?
skotnevins 2 months ago
@skotnevins Mt 16:18 - Christ found His church Mt 23 Christ specifically tells his followers to practice as the Pharisees, but dont do what they do Mt 5:17 - Christ clearly does not abolish the law and prophets but fulfills. Bishops, Deacons, and Priests are spoken of in the letters of St Paul to Timothy.
emekonen 2 months ago
YEAH , THE CHRISTIANS ARE AGAINST TRADITION, AND WHY IS THAT?
ODWAism 3 months ago
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WHY DO YOU PORTRAY JESUS TO BE SOMEONE WHO IS WHITE WHEREAS JESUS IS BLACK PERHAPS YOU DIDN'T NOW I PRAY TO BLACK JESUS.
ODWAism 3 months ago
WHY DO YOU PORTRAY JESUS TO BE SOMEONE WHO IS WHITE WHEREAS JESUS IS BLACK PERHAPS YOU DIDN'T NOW I PRAY TO BLACK JESUS
ODWAism 3 months ago
The Balkan Orthodox never went through the Lutheran rebellion and the bloody wars of the Reformation as did the Catholics. They had their own problems with the Ottoman invasion and the imposition of Islam and deep bitterness caused by a confused and self -defeating Vatican policy in the Balkans immediately before and during WW2. Even so the policy of Greece toward Protestant, Evangelical and JWitness missions is sadly lacking in tolerance
IanHunedoara8 3 months ago
@IanHunedoara8 Protestants = Catholic renegades.
nikoz78 3 months ago 2
@nikoz78 On the other side of the ledger were the Ikonoclastic disturbances in Anatolia and the Bogomilian dissenters in the Balkans.
IanHunedoara8 3 months ago
The underlying premise in this argument is that the identity of the people of God is determined by organizational succession. It might be a false proposition. If so, these arguments of the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics fail utterly.
samcandy64 4 months ago
The got a way with some funny stuff? The Catholics? They murdered and pillaged every culture where they went and no other have murdered as many christians exept perhaps Islam who is its evil twin. Look at your own history! Who sent one raiding army after another towards Byzantium? The Papacy and convinced Muslim warlords! I just think one must not diminish the works of the evil one.
matereo 5 months ago
@matereo lds.org
for the truth
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
An ans as to why the Church builds her temples facing east. Add the 3w's etc then copy the address after the dot.
bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-jerusalem-temple-mount-east-orientation-jewish-temples-altars.htm
mikedmcbride 5 months ago
interesting video
schpoogie 5 months ago
@notjam3 They were sinning by worshiping the Sun, which happened to be in the East. That's not the same as worshiping an Eastern church or orienting a church building toward the East. Why would God care whether a church is oriented in a certain way?
jthomaston 5 months ago
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Everything that belongs to the Father has been given to the Son. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father .....AND THERFORE also proceeds from the Son. To deny that is to be a heretic. The papal see is vacant, Benedict XVI and his 4 predecessors were in fact heretical antipopes, HOWEVER St. Peters LAWFUL successors have his same divinely ordained primacy and jurisdiction. Covert to the one true Catholic Faith outside of which nobody at all is saved. Visit vaticancatholicdotcom
truelightwitness 5 months ago
Everything that belongs to the Father has been given to the Son. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father .....AND THERFORE also proceeds from the Son. To deny that is to be a heretic. The papal see is vacant, Benedict XVI and his 4 predecessors were in fact heretical antipopes, HOWEVER St. Peters LAWFUL successors have his same divinely ordained primacy and jurisdiction. Covert to the one true Catholic Faith outside of which nobody at all is saved. Visit vaticancatholicdotcom
truelightwitness 5 months ago
thanx for posting keep it up!!!!!!!!
mimi20817 5 months ago
Great video-Thanx 4 posting!!! IC XC.+.NI KA
kayaburning 5 months ago
it does not matter what denomination you are, Jesus can save anyone who comes to Him. We can do nothing for Him, because "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", and "there is none righteous, no not one" Just surrender to Christ's love and walk in faith.
achelgeson93 6 months ago 2
@achelgeson93 Many Orthodox Christians would agree with you on this matter, because it is God who saves out of his grace. The Orthodox Church contains the fullness of the faith of Christ, however, remaining virtually unchanged since the apostles formed the Church at Pentecost. Although Protestant denominations can lead one to Christ, they eschew many of the practices that the first Christians practiced. Why have the bare minimum when you can have the fullness?
jthomaston 5 months ago
@jthomaston Not quite true. There were several different practices and beliefs even at the time of the apostles and certainly after. The "universal" christian church (political structure) and "correct belief" wasn't decided until the ecumenical councils hundreds of years later. That the Orthodox church has remained unchanged since the church at Pentecost is absurd.
ibsd 3 months ago
@ibsd Actually, it's not absurd. The Church as remained unchanged. Study the Church in the Byzantine Empire. It's has evolved, yet remained fully rooted (unlike the Catholics, and especially the rootless Protestants). Pagan Rome, Byzantine, Ottoman, Russian, Soviet, et al., the Church has remained the same. This exciting fact, once you realize it, is what drives Protestants to our Church, back to their original home, Orthodoxy.
nikoz78 3 months ago
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ibsd 3 months ago
@nikoz78 Are you even reading what I wrote? Either you are not or you have very low reading comprehension. Churches at the time of Pentecost are described in the bible. Nothing about the sacraments, icons, perpetual virginity of Mary, etc.., etc... are described as being practiced in those churches. The orthodox church was started in 325 ad as its brand of Christianity had the most political power at the time to label all the others heretics. It is not the church of the bible, however.
ibsd 3 months ago
@ibsd: WRONG1
Because from APOSTOLIC TIMES the church made IMAGES and ICONS - make a trip and see the Catacombs. St. Luke was the first ICON PAINTER - also CHRIST made an ICON when He impressed His Face into towel.
Also the apostolic Fathers TOUGHT THE PERPETUAL VIRGINITY OF THE THETOKOS. Also the Holy Mysteries can be found in the early church.
So what NONSENSE are u posting!
adamantis4657 3 months ago
@adamantis4657 No I am not WRONG. You better check yourself. Everything you just told me is false. Google "Icon" and read the wikipedia entry. It is pretty good. You really need to look into what you just told me for yourself, or do you need for me to help you? Serious question. Show me where any of the apostles taught the perpetual virginity of Mary. i would like to see that. Lastly, I hope you aren't talking about the Shroud of Turin.. That was made sometime in the 13th century, not by Jesus.
ibsd 3 months ago
@ibsd: NOTHING IS FALSE because I AM EDUCATED and I know the FACTS!
1.) ICONS AND IMAGES were used even in the OT when GOD ORDERED TO MAKE STATUES OF CHERUBIM. On the WALLS, curtains, DOORS, Arc - TWO BIG STATUES OF CHERUBIM IN THE HOLY OF HOLIES.
2.) THERE ARE MANY SHROUD's - not only that of Turin. And FACT is - NO ONE CAN SAY HOW OLD IT IS. Get INFORMATIONS
3.) Icons and Images ARE AS OLD AS CHRISTIANITY. There is much evidence (Catacombs).
adamantis4657 3 months ago
@ibsd:
4.) Tradition says, that St. Luke was the first ICON PAINTER.
5.) The perpetual Virginity DATES BACK TO APOSTOLIC TIMES - ALL BELIEVED THAT DOGMA - even the early protestants.
6.) TELL ME WHERE U CAN READ THAT THE VIRGIN CHANGED TO BE A VIRGING - I am curious where u got your informations?
7.) THE BIBLE is a book of the CHURCH and not of SECTS. So when u are not a member of the Church - immediatly take away the Bible.
THE BIBLE IS NOT THE BOOK OF SECTS!
adamantis4657 3 months ago
@adamantis4657 By te apostolic fathers, do you been the "12 apostles"? Prove that they taught the perpetual virginity of Mary. I am posting reality, you are posting the good brainwashing you have gotten from Orthodoxy.
ibsd 2 months ago
@ibsd: DO U NOT KNOW WHO THE APOSTOLIC FATHERS ARE?
Than u should get some information! The Apostolic Fathers are not the Apostles because I would not call the Apostles - Apostolic Fathers.
Prove that the Mother of God is not EVERVIRGIN - I am curious how u will answer!
Brainwashed here are PROTESTANTS and not ORTHODOX because we are NOT APOSTATES AND HERETICS LIKE PROTESTANTS.
Who do u follow? Yourself or LUTHER? Perhaps Russell the cursed? Zwingli?
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@adamantis4657 I follow Jesus. Bye.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: OH - U FOLLOW "JESUS" - really?
Hm - also Witnessers of Jehova follow CHRISt (as they assume), Adventists too, also Mormons, what about Baptists? THEY ALL THINK THEY FOLLOW CHRIST!
But who really follows CHRIST?
NO ONE OF THAT MENTIONED SECTS - they are CURSED BY GOD and they are UNDER ANATHEMA.
CHRIST did not found thousends of different church BUT ONLY ONE - why he prayed that ALL MAYBE ONE?
Because HE wants thousends of SECTS each condemning the others?
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@adamantis4657 Ooooh cursed by God! You must be God's prophet! Salute!
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: YES CURSED BY GOD!
Of course - did u not know that they are cursed by God?
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: GREECE - HOLY ELDERS!
U were talking about sinfull Priests in Greece. Well u will find some. Do u also know all the SAINTS AND ELDERS of Greece from our time?
Elder Philotheos Zervakos, Elder Prophyrios, Elder Dimitrios, Edler Gervasios, Elder Paisios, Elder Ieronymos, Papa Nicholas Planas, Eldress Myrtidiotissa, Eldress Gavrilia, Elder Iakovos, .....
More than 500 Elders and SAints - there is NO OTHER COUNTRY WITH SO MUCH SAINTS AND ELDERS
Wow - ha?
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma: GREECE - SAINTS!
U want more? Do u know all the SAINTS and ELDERS of Mount Athos? THOUSENDS OF SAINTS AND ELDERS:
St. Siluan, Papa Tychon, Blessed Theoklitos .....
Also in Serbia, Russia, Ucraine, Bulgaria, Moldova etc...
Even in USA: St. John of Shanghai, Blessed Seraphim Rose ....and all ORTHODOX SAINTS OF USA.
So - YES OF COURSE U WILL FIND ORTHODOX SINNERS but u should also mention those MILLIONS OF SAINTS too!
Orthodoxy -. UNCEASING sending SAINTS to GOD
adamantis4657 2 months ago
@adamantis4657 I know who the apostolic fathers are, but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you meant the apostles. Oops, you didn't. If you read my first posts on here, that is the reason I'm here. Mary had brothers and sisters and knew here husband Joseph in the bible. It was decided to be perpetual virginity later to match much earlier virgin goddess myths such as in Egypt and Greece. I follow NO MAN. I humbly seek the truth, free of programmed beliefs and dogma.
ibsd 2 months ago
@ibsd The very oldest Christian catacombs feature icons ("windows to Heaven"), and they existed in Old Testament times. The Sacraments were created by God's prophets, thus they created the tradition of genuine Christian culture. We maintain this holy gift. "Orthodox" is a name that came much later. We are the living Church; we are Christian history itself. In all the Bible lands we are still there, and we own all the Holy sites. What you don't know could fill a book. TRUTH is ours.
nikoz78 2 months ago
@nikoz78 These are the kinds of comments that leave a bad taste in my mouth when I talk with Orthodox friends. Calling Protestants rootless? C`mon man. Besides having no historical ties to the "historical" church, what makes you think we are rootless?
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma Rootless, meaning no historical or cultural Christian TRADITION. Historical fact: Protestants were an egg laid by the Catholic Church. Hence, Protestants = Catholic Renegades. The unwilling parents of the Protestants, the Catholics, are themselves not the true Church because they separated themselves from us in 1054. Until that point, there were five Patriarchs, Rome included. The other four reject his claims as Pope to this today. They strayed FAR from us.
nikoz78 2 months ago
@nikoz78 Wouldn't you consider baptism, communion, and reading and speaking of the word "traditions"? Is this insufficient? If it's insufficient, and we are thus rootless, are you suggesting that we don't have any root in God?
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma I am not suggesting that Protestants have no root in God, or that they do not do God's work. Officially, Orthodoxy recognizes Protestants as legitimate Christians. Unofficially, as heretics. In light of the numerous attacks by Protestants against Orthodoxy, which is intense, we are simply pointing out that historical truth is indeed on our side. We are defending the True Faith, as we have always done.
nikoz78 2 months ago
@nikoz78 Well in that case, having root in God is enough for me, as I think having relation to antiquity does not guarantee God's grace (one reason I am unconvinced that you are defending the "True Faith" is that the root of Orthodoxy, Greek Orthodoxy, is currently rife with anti-semitism and corruption. I don't think it is a grace to hate on God's people at all. Also the persecution of protestants in Russia, etc.). It is a shame that we cannot break bread with one another though.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma Anti-semitism is rife in many forms. In Greece, these animosities go back to ancient times. But Greece and Israel have formed very, very close ties recently (or haven't you heard?). What could be more "corrupt" than Protestants? 33,000 different sects of this rootless "neo-faith." Protestants have no right to go into Russia, an ancient Christian land (long before Martin Luther, the Catholic rebel, lived). Study history, you'll find the truth. You're missing out.
nikoz78 2 months ago
@nikoz78 1) Sure it is, but if you claim to be from the One Faith and if your current bishops are supposedly the successors of the Apostles, but are involved in all kinds of corruption and some wacky anti-Semitism, I wonder how True your Faith, which claims to have the fullnes of God's grace, is? If at the core and at the very top of Orthodoxy is involved in these very things, and these guys are apparently your teachers, how can they teach me God's grace? What exactly am I missing...
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma The Israeli's are our brothers. You're American, right? What do you know of the ancient lands of the Eastern Mediterranean and their peoples? You know nothing, only what your corporate-owned media tells you. If you're a Christian then why do you care about a false religion? "Supposedly the successors of the Apostles?" Man, read a book. Typical know-it-all Protestant that doesn't KNOW anything. We're the original Church, that's a clear historical fact.
nikoz78 2 months ago
@nikoz78 "The Israeli's are our brothers." If they are, why are your leaders saying things like Hitler was a puppet of Zionists and doing other evil anti-Semitic things? These are your leaders, not your parishioners. I'm not American. "If you're a Christian then why do you care about a false religion?" Huh? "Man, read a book. Typical know-it-all Protestant that doesn't KNOW anything." Interesting condemnation there, brother. God bless you for that.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma In a Jewish museum is the original letter written by the Greek Archbishop Damaskinos (Wiki his name), leader of the Orthodox Church in Greece during four years of brutal Nazi occupation. In it, he boldly condemns the removal of Greece's ancient Jewish population. He then ordered all the priests in Greece to issue fake Orthodox ID cards to Jews. The Israelis have pointed out that no similar deed was performed anywhere else in Europe. Thousands of lives were saved.
nikoz78 2 months ago
@nikoz78 That's great, and God bless people for that. But you still don't see my point. The point is that many of your leaders are expressing all kinds of hatred towards the Jews and siding with the world to hate (and the corruption deal too). Being "part" of the ancient Church does not guarantee grace, even if you are part of the apostolic line. But apparently grace exists outside Orthodoxy because people I personally know display more grace than your anti-semitic leaders do.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@nikoz78 out on? I don't claim Protestants to be perfect, and we most certainly do not consider our leaders "apostles". But I have learned grace and have known upstanding humble non-Orthodox Christian men in life that have taught me about God's grace, whose lives reflected it more than your beloved "Apostolic successors" have. So for Orthodox to look down on us and call us rootless and say we don't have the fullness of God's grace is quite silly to me. You can be proud of the fact
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@nikoz78 that you come from an unbroken lineage that points to the Apostles (Catholics can technically claim the same btw), it doesn't really matter to me. I have found that grace is still available among heretics like the Baptists. Secondly this: "Protestants have no right to go into Russia". Lol, what? That sounds like religious tyranny to me. It's an ancient Christian land but yet the rate of suicide is number one in the world, and the Russian mafia runs rampant. Obviously
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma The Orthodox do not proselytize. Don't you find that an interesting fact? Yet, you pushy know-it-all Johnny-come-lately's somehow see the genuine Christian religion as evil, and feel the need to "convert" us to Martin Luther's watered-down Protestant cult. We are not talking about some remote peoples who have never heard God's Word. You insultingly believe that the Orthodox are going to Hell and must be "saved." Bastardized grandchild telling grandpa their wrong.
nikoz78 2 months ago
@nikoz78 I never tried to convert you guys, brother. I already said I respect Orthodoxy. As far as those Russian protestants evangelizing to people, they understand the dynamics better than I do, and probably better than you do. I am ignorant on that fact. But really, does evangelizing to people in Russia (and they are not all Russian orthodox) warrant persecution? Do you really think God allows his followers to persecute people? Where in Scripture does God allow persecution?
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@nikoz78 it seems that the Russian Orthodox Church needs some help on evangelism, yes? Looks like there are still parts of Russia that is not Christian, correct?
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma Seems to me that you harbor anti-Hellenic feelings. God's word was rejected by the Jewish people, still today. Thus, God found willing hearts among the Greeks. Anti-Hellenism/Orthodoxy is nothing new (long-running Western bias/jealousy). Look up "Greek Genocide" on Wikipedia, a part of the Christian Holocaust of 1914-1923 committed by the Muslim Turks, in which the Orthodox Armenians suffered most. Millions died. In Soviet Russia, 20 million Orthodox died.
nikoz78 2 months ago
@nikoz78 I don't harbor anti-Hellenic feelings, I don't have an interest in modern Greek culture (except the food, love it!) for me to have such strong sentiments towards the Greeks and orthodoxy. I'm just stating the facts about the corruption in Greek Orthodoxy. Chinese Christians also die under the hands of communists. Protestants that tried to print the Bible around the Reformation died also at the hands of Catholics. What is your point? I am not persecuting anybody.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma "corruption in Greek Orthodoxy" Son, you don't know anything about Greek lands or Greek Orthodoxy. Only what your sinister media tell you. Greek culture is an unbroken legacy, a language that never died. Funny, you claim to be a Christian, yet don't even understand just how GREEK Christianity actually is. We have been defending the faith for almost 2,000 years. You don't begin to understand what Greece is about.
nikoz78 2 months ago
@nikoz78 You are saying that there is no corruption in Greek Orthodoxy? How do you account for all the scandals (money, sex, land) and all the anti-semitism? Where is the fullness of God's grace in this? God's grace should be on the anointed and they should be beacons of righteousness, correct? Why are they so caught up in controversy and all kinds of wicked things? Am I missing something? Should I overlook something here? What things I don tknow about Greek culture/orthodoxy
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@nikoz78 that has me misinterpreting the scandals rocking the Greek Orthodox clergy, now? I am seriously curious about this. You think it's God's will is stripping Protestants of their rights? Where in Scripture do you read this? Didn't Jesus himself stop the disciples from preventing people to acting in his name if they don't have the proper credentials? Where is the precedent in Scripture to persecute believers of Jesus Christ? You should not let your emotions take over because
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma Also, concerning Russia, a land that has been Orthodox for over a thousand years: What gives you the right to go there and condescend these people? A low blow, considering 80 years of Soviet genocide and the worst persecutions in Christian history. Not even concentrated efforts by one of the most powerful states in history could destroy Orthodoxy. Your presence is offensive; as if they need the message. Go preach to peoples that have never heard the word of God.
nikoz78 2 months ago
@nikoz78 Low blow? How does evangelizing to people and reaching them for Jesus constitute as a "low blow"? Do you think God is acting gracefully through the ROC when they persecute the evangelicals and conspire (and work with Vladimir Putin) to strip them of their human rights? Do you think they are being "Christian" when they do that?
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma I think it's God's Will the Russian's protect their peoples, because the Protestants spread a dangerous false religion. In your own nations, we don't care. Stay out of ancient lands, you don't understand the dynamics. Typical WASP ignorance and arrogance.
nikoz78 2 months ago
@nikoz78 they cloud your judgment. I am not a WASP. I was born in the Philippines and grew up in Canada. So I have no relation to Anglo-saxon Protestants and don't associate myself with them and don't condone their acts. I myself am responsible for keeping in relationship with God, and stayiing true to the vine. You keep on mentioning that my "church" is literallly fragmented. My Church is Spiritual Israel, brother, and it is one. You can say whatever you want about it, but like
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma The letter in part reads:
“ The Greek Orthodox Church and the Academic World of Greek People Protest against the Persecution... The Greek people were... deeply grieved to learn that the German Occupation Authorities have already started to put into effect a program of gradual deportation of the Greek Jewish community... and that the first groups of deportees are already on their way to Poland...
nikoz78 2 months ago
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nikoz78 2 months ago
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@eltronrangamma The letter in part reads: In our national consciousness, all the children of Mother Greece are an inseparable unity: they are equal members of the national body irrespective of religion... Our holy religion does not recognize superior or inferior qualities based on race or religion, as it is stated: 'There is neither Jew nor Greek' and thus condemns any attempt to discriminate or create racial or religious differences.
nikoz78 2 months ago
@nikoz78 I said, I have met people in my "fragmented" church that have displayed the fruits of the Spirit and the grace of God than your leaders have ever shown. Is it because Protestantism is the "true church"? No. It is because they have remained faithful to God, and have allowed the Spirit to work through them to do good works--hard to believe that it can occur outside the Orthodox church, huh? As far as Greeks owning the land--you are making it deceivingly simple. People are
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@nikoz78 seemingly pissed over the fact that the Patriarch, who name was removed from the "Orthodox diptychs", sold land to Jewish investors. They are obviously not happy about selling holy land to the Jews. "What connection does you cult church have to anything to do with real Christianity." Which Christianity are you talking about? The Christianity that teaches me that Jesus is Lord, and that I should die to myself, and forgive my enemies, and be a salt to the world and all that?
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma Protestants don't understand the Bible. Historical record demonstrates that the Bible is an Orthodox text. It was written in Greek and to this very day the direct, unbroken descendants of the Apostles--Orthodox clergy--read the Bible in Koine Greek - even if they speak English, they are looking down at, and reading from, an untranslated Bible. We don't use a translation. 'False Prophets' were prophesied in a cave on the Greek island of Patmos in Revelations....
nikoz78 2 months ago
@nikoz78 I knew you would say this LOL. How is the Bible an Orthodox text? First of all, The Torah belongs to the Jews, and was originally written in Hebrew, right? Besides it being written in Greek (this is hardly an argument that the Bible belongs to Greek orthodoxy--it was written in Greek because that was the lingua franca at the time), what argument do you have that the Bible belongs to Orthodoxy? If us Protestant heretics don't understand the Bible, why do some of us display
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@nikoz78 more of God's grace than your beloved leaders do? Why do some of the people I know display more of the Spirit's fruits than they do? We stupid, cult-like English-translation reading, fragmented church-going heretics wouldn't be able to display the Spirit's fruits if we don't understand the Bible. Are you sayiing we don't need the Bible for edification? Because if we can't understand the Bible, how else can we be edified?
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@nikoz78 As I said before, I admire Orthodoxy and there are lots to be learned from Orthodoxy history and the early Church fathers, but once you start to only hear condemning and condescending statements like we're rootless, borderline heretics, that we lack the fullness of grace, etc. while the leaders of your congregations are engaged in the worst kinds of corruption and Jew hatred kinda kills the effect of those harsh words towards us "heretics" yes?
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma Again, you're talking foolishly. Seems to me that the worst crimes in history were committed by Anglo-Saxon Protestants, and some Catholics, too. Genocide of Indians, Jews, blacks (also enslaved), you name it. Which-burnings, etc. You don't know anything about our Church, just media bias. Your church is literally fragmented in 33,000 different "denominations." We are pre-denominational and united in Christ, always have been. Greek Orthodox own 67% of Israeli land.
nikoz78 2 months ago
@nikoz78 I am pretty much connected to that kind of Christianity. Am I connected to a "real" Christianity of murder (White Anglo Saxon Protestantism, as you put it), of persecution, of sex, money, and land scandal, of Anti-semitism? Not at all. I don't want nothing to do with it.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma You conveniently ignore my proof that Orthodox Church doesn't hate Jews. And you would be obstinate not to admit that anti-Semites rear their ugly heads everywhere, in all nations and in all things, not just in the Greek Republic or it's puppet-government in Cyprus. Haven't you heard about Israel and Greece forming a very strong military Alliance??? Seems like the Israeli's would disagree with you. I hear they throw rocks at you in Russia. Heretic.
nikoz78 2 months ago
@nikoz78 I don't conveniently ignore that. Obviously some Greek Orthodox do not hate Jews. I said SOME of your LEADERS hate Jews, which is surprising for me since they should be examples of God's grace. I also did not say anything that there is anti-semitism is ONLY found in Greece. Reading comprehension is essential, brother, less there is misunderstanding. "I hear they throw rocks at you in Russia. Heretic." Interesting, more hateful comments. God bless you too.
eltronrangamma 2 months ago
@eltronrangamma I like Jews, but I am not uncritical of all Israelis. You sound like a typical Protestant apologetic as regards Israel. Zionist are criticized by other Jews too. What, you think modern Israel is fulfilling some prophecy? "Any nation that stands against Israel will fall." The Bible is clearly referring to Christian civilization, the true Israel, the followers of Christ. Very revealing. The Israeli's regularly mock Christians. They think Jesus was a false prophet.
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