Pat Buchanan and Keith Boykin debate building a mosque near Ground Zero

[AzuAtoms]

Funny how the same people who think it's a right to build a mosque near ground zero and ignore any claims that it "shouldn't" be built are saying a koran "shouldn't" be burnt.

[titaniumomega]

muslims don't belong to western society, open you eyes people! they're a "trojan horse"...very hypocrits...muslim pigs wanna invade and impose their discusting sharia law!

[Pistolero24]

@titaniumomega

Well, you obvisouly are a pig (no disrespect to the animal) and live there...I don't see a problem in accomodating more creatures of your caliber...

[frozenking07]

Pat Buchanan is completely closed minded and will not listen to anything outside of his own understandings.

[lidil100]

@frozenking07 I disagree, Buchanan sees things as they ARE: reality. Close-minded is not what he is, he is simply who he is; an analyst and interpreter of the times. Just because he has his thoughts does not make him a racist.

[tonylee1973]

The apes are Jews, the people of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christians, the infidels of the communion of Jesus" -- from an eighth-grade textbook on monotheism and jurisprudence in Saudi Arabia.

[tonylee1973]

@BeatmakerzUp Bin laden said that that America was attacking islam "everywhere" Palastine, Israel, Iraq, Chechnya, Western China, kashmir. There are elements of truth to the first three (although it is far more complicated than the way he makes it out to be) and the last three is BS. He also said the "infidel" had soldiers in Saudia Arabia.(which was true.) of course if saddam was smart he would not have stopped in kuwait in1991.

[StanleyT123]

@BeatmakerzUp Thank you! As idiotic as the Conservative Right is, I'm finding it more and more difficult to support some of the sheer stupidity taking place on the Left. The only "mind numbing ignorance" in this conversation appears to be his. I don't recall saying anything about a mosque being built at all, but that hasn't stopped his "unamerican" accusations. It's not just that he's saying stupid things, but he's so self-righteous in his stupidity. Thank you for putting some perspective on it.

[NewYorkCityUSA7]

@StanleyT123 The constitution is on my side and ignorant bigots are on your side.

[StanleyT123]

@NewYorkCityUSA7 This country's doctrines support the freedom of speech, protects women and homosexual people from violence and allows the reasonable pursuit of happyness for all citizens. Your precious Sharia law does none of that. I don't know what kind of right wing fascist you are, but let me assure you the constitution is on ALL of our "sides", asshole.

[NewYorkCityUSA7]

@BeatmakerzUp No need for a distraction.  Anyone against a mosque being built is unamerican and should spend some time reading the constitution. Since when should an American not be allowed to build a house of worship because of the acts of foreign terrorist. The fact that America is even having this debate tells me that a lot of people in our country are mind numbingly ignorant and bigoted.

[tonylee1973]

I think that muslim americans should show themselves to be patriotic americans and stand up against this mosque.

[NewYorkCityUSA7]

@tonylee1973 So you think Muslims should stand up against a place where they go to practice their religion??? What part of patriotism is that? If anything you're the one who's not patriotic, what you're suggesting is so fucking unamerican. Idiots like you really keep our country stupid.

[tonylee1973]

@NewYorkCityUSA7 I think the mosque should be moved to a place where no americans were killed on sep. 11. thats it. I live a 2 minute walk from a mosque in the middle of the country and I have no doubt my neighbors who are muslims are good people. I just think they should move the mosque a little bit farther in the name of respect of fellow americans concerns,

[NewYorkCityUSA7]

@tonylee1973 What about the AMERICAN muslims who were killed on that day or the muslims who die for us in our military? I guess they don't count because they're not "real" americans right? Go fuck yourself.

[tonylee1973]

@NewYorkCityUSA7 American Muslims in the military are not dying for us. We are not losing lives in Afghanistan and Iraq to protect the US and the Constitution. If our government cared about american lives we would have gone after Bin laden and al zaweri right after 9/11 instead of outsourcing the job to afghans and wasting all our recourrces in Iraq. You are way too emotional and to easily tricked by propaganda.

[NewYorkCityUSA7]

@BeatmakerzUp Your problems with Islam sounds like the same problems within Christianity. Religion is the problem, period. Anyone who is against a mosque buying built anywhere in America is an ignorant, racist asshole. Our country is so fucking ignorant.

[StanleyT123]

@NewYorkCityUSA7 As stupid as some people are in this country, I wouldn't be so quick to sell out the values and ideals that make this country one of the best on Earth. Betta recognize, because Radical Islam will use exploit those ideals as "weakness" in order to subvert them. Instead of crtiicicizing those protesting the mosque, open your eyes to their concerns. They are very, very real.

[NewYorkCityUSA7]

@StanleyT123 Their concerns are based on pure ignorance. You don't blame a whole religion for the acts of a few. Muslims died that day too and also die for us on the battlefield in OUR military and in foreign militaries. What they're trying to do is extremely offensive to AMERICANS who happen to be muslim. It's very UNAMERICAN, period.

[StanleyT123]

@NewYorkCityUSA7 I agree wholeheardetly with what you've said, but finish the idea. If American Muslims spoke out - in substantial, recognizable numbers against the atrocities committed in it's name this would not be happening. Like I said; radical Islam still sits VERY COMFORTABLY among Muslims. This is very significant and essential to understand. Not all concerns expressed about Islam are "offensive" or "unamerican", and to attempt to paint it that way is "unamerican" and "offensive" to me.

[NewYorkCityUSA7]

@StanleyT123 Muslims for the most part do speak out against terrorism, the problem is that's not a story that ends up on the front page or the lead story on cable "news". The difference between me and you is I don't ask one person to apologize or speak against another person's acts just because they share the same skin color or religion. If you're offended or think what I'm saying is unamerican then it's clear to me that you don't understand what being American is really about.

[StanleyT123]

@NewYorkCityUSA7 #1. The voices from within Islam decrying the violence, the subjugation of women, stoning of homosexual people and child abuse that is rampant in many Sharia-bound nations remain REMARKABLY quiet. #2. Of course it is primarily up to Islam to regulate itself. If the 'moderate' members of this group don't unify against the atrocities committed in its name, and instead focus on those who criticize Islam, calling them "racists" and "Islamaphobes" this problem will only get worse.

[NewYorkCityUSA7]

@StanleyT123 Where are the voices from within Christianity decrying child molestation by Priests or racism in the church? As the saying goes, church hour is the most segregated our in America. Where are the voices decrying pastors who con their flocks into giving them every dime they have? Going back and forth on this gets us nowhere, no one is responsible for someone elses actions. And yes, those who are against the mosque are ignorant racist Islamaphobes, period.

[StanleyT123]

@NewYorkCityUSA7 Those voices are EVERYWHERE.

[NewYorkCityUSA7]

@StanleyT123 Bullshit.

[MonaAndYasmin]

@SLAM234 Islam isn't a race it's a religion.

[StanleyT123]

@MonaAndYasmin Right but that doesn't stop Muslims from screaming "racism"!!!

[MonaAndYasmin]

@StanleyT123 What do you mean?

[StanleyT123]

@MonaAndYasmin I mean what I said: The fact that Islam is not a "race" does not stop Muslims from screaming "racism" when they are criticized.

[MonaAndYasmin]

@StanleyT123 who screams racism? We say Islamophobia! and if any do say racism it is because the muslims that are targeted are those that are of Arab descent or those that "look" Arab (afghans, pakistanis, or Indians) you don't see African, White or Asian muslims being heavily targeted and dehumanized by the media! When in reality Arabs make up a small minority of the Muslim Ummah!

[StanleyT123]

@MonaAndYasmin That's simply not true. Many Muslims cry "racism", however innappropriately. And Islamaphobia is a very poor and innacurate term, considering the degree to which terrorism takes place AMONG Muslims who refuse to speak out against it.. You can't allow people to be terrorized and then criticize them for feeling afraid or "phobic". Please.

[MonaAndYasmin]

@StanleyT123 and if you completed reading my response, I said the ones that are saying racism are Arabs and and those that pass for Arab! because they are being attacked by raced based laws, not really religious based laws! back to what I was saying in my last post! what about African, White, or Asian Muslims; they make up the majority, Arabs are a minority!! this is the issue laws targeting Arabs, which in it's self is RACIST!! khalas

[StanleyT123]

@MonaAndYasmin Well you will get no argument from me on that. I was referring mostly to American Muslims however.

[MonaAndYasmin]

@StanleyT123 so am i. Americans come in many of different ethnicity's and cultures. How many Arab Muslims and CHRISTIANS get stopped and harassed on a daily bases(at airports, and even while driving!!) or people with Arab/Muslim sounding names. you can't equate the actions of a few to a complete group! If I where to use that logic, all white people would be by default immoral and evil because of slavery, when in actuality it was just the bourgeois

[StanleyT123]

@MonaAndYasmin Of course not, but that's not what I said. What I am pointing out is that Muslims are far more concerned with attacking what they call "Islamaphobes" than they are the radicals who use their "religion" to justify their evil. As a result, Radical Islam sits VERY COMFORTABLY among Islam and makes it very, very difficult for non-Muslims to even KNOW the difference.

[aynaristo]

I love this man ---Patrick Buchanan !

He was the one who always opposed the Iraq War.

Read his articles at Takimag.com ,he is the only one in the conservatives who has any ideas to deal with Economy,Forign Policy ,Mass Immigration .

This man should be the President !!

[Americanglory74]

if Islam is such an understanding and tolerant religion, then have respect to the victims of the 911 murder and build it somewhere else , they already have lots of mosques in the US, this is simply a low class approach by the fanatic muslims hiding under the "mask of innocence".........now can some one answer this How many churches are in Mecca ?..

[USA4July1776]

@SLAM234

Irronically, it is racist, prejudiced and bigoted to assume people who disagree with leftism must be motivated by racist sentiments in the first place. Caricaturing whites as racists is a racist prejudice in and of itself.

But let's be perfectly clear: the Left doesn't really believe that Americans are racist to the degree they seem to systematically suggest... but rather, they use the constant smear of "racism" as a rhetorical tool to intimidate into silence any opposing voices.

[USA4July1776]

The Left views Islam as the religion of the third world, of the third estate, of the proletariat, thus of the oppressed in Marxist terms... while they see Christianity as the religion of the rich, of the capitalists, of the bourgeois, again in Marxist terms.

Of course Islam is a brutal Arabic political ideology of conquest, brutal oppression and subjugation which has reduced the Middle East from the pinnacle of civilization a millenia and a half ago, to the world's asshole today.

[seekortry]

So... if we replace the word Muslims with workers and "mainstream Americans" with employers.. then does Pat also support "negotiations" for the greater good? I can substitute all kinds of situations into his argument and I think it shows this right-wing tactic as the absurdity that it is. It flies in the face of everything they have been defending for decades. Property rights. Strict adherence to the Constitution. The absolute sovereignty of property holder. The central role of religion.

[SgtSoot]

@SLAM234 I agree with most of what you said; howver, Islam is not a race, and it should not be cited as such.

[MrCogicson1]

Well said Keith Boykin. Pat Buchanan is talking about sitting down and ultimately not allowing the mosque building to take place..who is he kidding?? This is funny although it's not.

[valleart]

Islam did not cause 911. It was fanatics, and incompetent people here that failed to do their job. It is fanaticism that does not want the mosque built. I am not Islamic, but I do know fanaticism when I see it.

[thedecider1984]

pat rules .. fuck the mosque

[panneednp]

Search youtube ‘Islam: prayer in one mosque’

[mancheeks64]

Pat Buchanan needs to just fall off the face of the Earth. It is so ignorant for people, the Right Winged especially, to group all Muslims and create fear amongst the American people. So, just because it is a Mosque for Muslim people they believe that is giving license to terrorist. Really? If that is the case then there should be no Christian churches built in Black neighborhoods, because members of the Klu-Klux-Klan were Christians....so, with their logic no type of Christian churches anywhere

[MrProudinfidel]

Hey Keith. Just because I don't like the idea of this mosque and the things the Imam has said doesn't mean i'm a bigot you jackass. Of course they have the right to build the mosque. And they will because they are nasty insensitive divisive pricks like you. "Republicans have gone from demonizing Mexicans to Muslims." Are Dean and Reid Republicans Jackass? Are you actually getting paid to be this incompetent and obnoxious?

[Staticnz]

@MrProudinfidel I'm sorry, it does mean you are a bigot. That's just a fact.

[TruthSerum101]

THANK YOU, Boykin! This is not a party based issue for me. It's a constitutional one.