The ST that won a legion of fans, has much greater than a quality toy sold from a Mcburger Sad! And the worst thing is that, make money and this is the most important. Not a good story! And that is what counts. It doesn't matter whether they are bad written or if the characters are a ridiculous version of the original. Romulanas ships that fire missiles instead of quantum torpedoes. Spock is a emo. One-dimensional villain. Applestore style spacecraft. Hopefully this won't have long life.
Great job on the video, I really enjoyed the sequence where you had clips from episodes or movies with characters from different series (Janeway in Nemesis :D). The Star Trek series were great, and always will be in my mind.
I enjoyed the new movie and liked that it was a new twist on Trek, but I can see why some may think not. I think what's important is that this essence of Trek still remains, because that is what has inspired people for so long.
Good video, whoever was responsible and good music to it, I usually don't like music over trek scenes but this works well. The new film was commercially was a fantastic idea and got loads of non-trek fans watching, but for a real hardcore fan like me, it was awful.
First, love this tribute and even though I very much enjoyed Ent & ST 09, I agree 100%, don't look to the past!!
But, this is where the re-launch novels come into play. Yes, I know they aren't "canon" and people just dismiss them out of hand, but these novels offer great stories that continue the adventures and stories of characters we have come to love. If I was ever able to create a new ST tv series, I would use the novels to create the setting...and yes, Im a continuity whore :P
In one way I agree with the OP in another way I don't whilst I don't think that the new startrek was the best it was good but not great but with regards Enterprise it had a good permise in that it tells the story of how we got from where we are today to the time that we became part of the vast Federation that we saw in the other series I just think the writers having done the show for so long we re running out of fresh ideas
@musicloverdude5 Yes, they were! But to sell a movie today it has to be a mixture of fast and the furious with soap opera mexicana. It can be bad writing. No problem. JJ did a trash version that sells.
while I agree with going forward in the prime universe, as we now HAVE to call it because of the Abrahmsverse that's been created, i actually liked enterprise, true i would've preferred a post-voy series but in season 4 especially of ENT, there were great episodes and the ideas for the 5th season were great. But i agree let's just move away from the Abrahmsverse and move forward in the Prime universe.
This video is fucking epic!! The bridges connecting the difference series were absolutely brilliant, not to mention the last part with the characters from different series making appearances on others. Man you're right did this ever make me miss Star Trek!!!
If they do make a new series they need to completely ignore the events of the new movie. I've always thought that, save for the previous movies which followed the TV shows, Star trek belongs solely on TV.
@musicloverdude5: They're not going to do that especially since neither DS9 or Voyager is that truly and totally popular anymore. In fact, the new comic book from IDW is a continuation of the new movie. And as long as Les Mooves is president & CEO of CBS, Star Trek won't be on TV (he hates it, and the only network Star Trek can be on is CBS.) I sincerely urge you to just deal with what's happening now.
@Neville6000 You pessimistic embarassment to humanity!!!!! You're not in any position to tell me what to deal with!!!!!! Anybody who doesn't like Star Trek should be locked in internment camps and beaten. Also every single Star Trek novel and comic is never considered canon so they don't mean anything.
@musicloverdude5: And you're not in any position to influence me or anybody else about Star Trek: The Franchise. What you (and the others here) are is a bunch of whiny, spoiled over-indulged fanboys/girls with big mouths and nothing coming out of your mouths except the brown stuff that's supposed to come out of your bottoms. When you all can get jobs in the industry, then you can spew whatever you want, but until then, you are just as I've described all of you.
@musicloverdude5: YOU'RE the 'pessimistic embarrassment to humanity,' not I. AS I've said before, all you and everybody else here is are whiny fanboys/girls who need to get over yourselves as far as thinking that you are what defines Star Trek fandom-you're not, and will (hopefully) NEVER be that.
Paramounts problem is that for Nemesis and JJ the had someone who isn't a trek fan do it and Enterprise had potential but bad writing and until JJ the worst of the Trek
Wow the Music gave it a great melancholic feeling to the video, However, I was Waiting for BATMAN to show up at any moment... well, at least STAR-MAN. ;^P
It looks like they took the rejected elements of Star Trek Phase 2 (intended series prior to TMP, not the fan fiction), and channeled Irwin Allen instead of Gene Roddenberry...
@banglefaar What are you so upset about!? All I did was leave a comment, which interestingly does not contradict anything you posted in your comment. My comment basically stated, "I don't like the direction they went with Star Trek, but it is what it is. There's nothing I can do about it."
The only way to accept this film as Star Trek canon is to think of the film as being a story about Spock being pulled back in time in an alternate Trek Universe.
Great video. I have come to peace with the new Star Trek, mainly because it is what it is, and that's the direction the studio is going now. But I am disappointed with the reboots, reimaginings, and rehashings. Hollywood has no creativity anymore.
The new Star Trek, ironically, is almost a remake of Star Trek: Nemesis mixed with Wrath of Kahn and Star Wars: Episode IV and a big freaking budget.
Visually it is the greatest of the Star Trek films. The pacing is superb.
@larryroth The title of the new film and a whole string of producers who own the rights to Star Trek say otherwise. Accept it, the future was undone by Nero mingling with the past and with the way the last Star Trek series (Enterprise) and that piece of shit film (Nemesis), Star Trek needed a reboot and it's the most decent one out of hundreds of failed remakes and reboots.
Had the new film not came out, Star Trek would STILL be on life support with delusional fans defending the shit it became.
@banglefaar The special effects were even copied of Star Wars! The destruction of Alderan/Vulcan for the Deathstar that shoots missiles?? Spok in state of pon far with Uhura and with personality emo? Kirk to be promoted to captain after his 1st mission was ridiculo. I cannot talk about the actors who did well his work, but the scirpt was simply a garbage. And to consider something so badly written like "descent" ... sad!
What existed of bad one with ST it was the scriptwriters, who in this re-creation ate shit. AGAIN!!
At last, to exchange shit for shit still bigger is not an any progress. And to consider something so badly written like 'descent' ... sad! Not grand at all (Wolf 359) or emblematic (Khaaaaa!!) welt of this excuse of sci-fi.
Pelo visto, minhas reais palavras se perderam! Mas o mais triste é que voce consegui gostar de um amontoado de sandices mau escritas. Mostra de um grande mau gosto e cabeça vazia, capaz de aceitar qualquer merda dos produtores, com um sorriso!
@Grayphus: Spock wasn't in a state of pon farr with Uhura, he was in LOVE, L-O-V-E with her; the effects WEREN'T copied off of Star Wars, the destruction of Vulcan wasn't like Alderran, the Narada wasn't ANYTHING like the Death Star, and Kirk being promoted is a given after being such a hero and saving Earth! Any other ridiculous nonsense you like to spew about the new movie, or are you going to be sensible from now on?
@Neville6000 This film is so poorly written that offends my intelligence.
In the film, Kirk finds Spock's future in an ice planet and being hunted by a beast of ice! Hot! The film tries to make fun of a Mcoy that as a doctor is excelte makeup. Sulu forgets to release the brake and the ship's computer gets confused with the accent of Pavel. Kirk is a jerk and not a candidate for a charismatic leader.
@Neville6000 The film remains poor and bad writing. Galactic also had a re-make, but the characters were not portrayed as pathetic versions of themselves.
In fact some were much better. Obviously having good writers qualiade made a difference in the show. And there was not a single joke that save the film.
Though not ST, something I have never liked as inelegant. Clumsy!
@Neville6000 The enterprise until it sounds like the Millennium Falcon in his appearance at the last second. Nero is mono dimencional. The warp effect is an abuse of lens flare! It makes me remember the effects used in SW. I do not criticize the actors. They did their jobs well. But their characters are ridiculous. I hated it. You can disagree with meBut I still find a pile of shit bad writing. Right! you liked the movie. And I do not!
@Neville6000 And just to explain, it is obvious that the film was not made to please the old Trekkies, or would have been written more intelligently. It was done to attract the attention of different people. Seeking a new audience. So I do not like to see a rip-off of SW. I saw nothing of what I expected. Nothing but a joke.
My English is not so good for me to enumerate other stupidities of the film. But others here may want.
@Neville6000 I just remembered! Ryker can save the Earth from the Borg after they destroyed the fleet, with Enterprise D and is not promoted to Admiral. Wesley exposed an attempted infiltration of the fleet by brainwashing of the officers of the ship and was not promoted, even the lieutenant. Very unfair not you agree? Or just more realistic to promote an academy cadet fresh out of a position in which the most talented military takes 5 years to achieve.
@Neville6000 Wow. I'd forgot that I had even left a comment here. I don't even know which comment of mine you have replied. Thanks for your interest, though.
maybe... the good in Star Trek was being original. I think creativeness is gone in Hollywood... 30 yrs history is written for ST Online, that's another problem in the future.. I'm not sure what to do...
I agree, lets fight for "STAR TREK CONTINUES". Let that new Star Trek for JJ and whoelse like it. I Prefer Dominium War, Voyager Returns, Riker is finally Captains. There is a future show ed by Q abaout Federation x Klingons. There is too many things to do than look back. LETS MOVE FOWARD
@Neville6000 Apparently those who like to live in the past is you. For the past are coming back, coming back with Kirk, with not being able to write something new is lack of capacity, smiling and swallowing shit, only those who like junk food.
I've been watching Star Trek for 32 years of my life. The vision behind it was the future. It was never intended to move backward. If it's to continue, it needs to move forward. The Enterpise series was a mistake and the movie 09 movie an even bigger one. I will never consider either of them a legitimate part of ST history. Marvel us with something new and more advanced and stop trying to create history before the show existed. TOS was the real beginning and that fact will always stand.
Very well done! You captured so many of the pivotal moments throughout the series. I hope that Paramount would do at least one more film with the "Next Gen" & "DS9" crew to really wrap that legacy up nicely. "The Undiscovered Country" was a well established farewell to the Original Crew. Something similar needs to be done with the "Next Gen" & I think there's enough support out there for them to do it. Also need a new series for this generation up & coming.
I agree with this video. Good job. I see no point in going backwards. The first time they did it for ST:ENT it wasn't as good as the series before it. Did they really think doing a movie like that would make us happy? Someone who knows what to do with the Star Trek franchise should be given control. Even I could do better than them and I'm not a writer or producer. Maybe all of us fans should pool our money together and buy the rights to Star Trek because we could sure do a better job.
I want the Enterprise A voyages(yes I know.... it'd be just as useless as junk if not crewed by the TOS crew ;( Rest in peace James Doohan), Enterprise B voyages, Enterprise C voyages, Enterprise F voyages(maybe even G voyages) and something like DS9(but set farther into the future) just cos I like to see the borg pwnt.
However I can't say I am unhappy that The One and Only is returning...
@Terribleclaw2015 good idea but i am nt sure how the audiance would react to a new enterprise crew, maybe there should have done a series and then movie so we get to knpw the characters more
realli enjoyed this video, for me i would like to no what happens to voyager and like you said who are the new crew on enterprice E but i think that the new star trek film is a brilliant film
one of many non-canonical Star Trek future is based on the alternate timeline of the TOS, that's mean the movie in 2009 changed all the things. And this new storyline is now on the game Star Trek Online. It's seem that Romulan had fallen, and Federation is fighting the Borg and new enemy Undine (Species 8472) in the 25th century.
I prefer the future that the original series, Next Generation, and JJ's version where there is a future of peace and adventure. That looking out to the stars is a legacy and not a curse. It's that what Star Trek was missing after Gene Roddenberry died, and JJ brought it back, returning Star Trek to its innocence and to what it was about.
@Potrimpo Sorry JJ did not. All he did was to make Star Trek into Star Wars. You are right about the peaceful exploration and adventure, but that has been missing since the Borg showed up. After that it has been War WarWarWar.
@Nalthren I don't want to see the Lost Era, because it was so good to see it only in some episodes like the 21st century, only some time travelling episodes, and not the full picture, it had a kind of feeling. I'd like a new generation again 50-60 yrs later:) but maybe that would be repeating history, so I don't know, what to do, they have to be original.
We definitely need to know what happens post Nemesis. I wonder if there is another Dominion War? It seems like the Federation has become corrupted and it would be interesting to see how they could get the Federation back on track after the First Dominion War.
What would be neat is if they showed Star Trek from a different perspective like Klingons Romulans, etc., instead of the show always taking place on some Earth Federation ship.
Sure the make up may cost more, and humans might be villanized, but it could make for an interesting series.
That would be good to see. I also think seeing Star Trek in the 25th century would be great. I would love to see slipstream drive on all the ships. The Romulan perspective would be interesting especially after the destruction of Romulus.
@Nalthren Agreed 100%. Another possibility is if they made a series centered around the USS Excelsior set in the turn of the 24th and 25th century without Sulu commanding. Now that's something I would be willing to see as long as they, like you said, move forward not backward.
@Nalthren: The only 'post Nemesis or The Lost Era' that will happen is in the comic books, the online game and the novels. That's it. So please stop wishing for something that will NEVER HAPPEN.
@ThePennilessWriter You state "the Star Trek franchise". That would include the novels. Although you will not "see" anything while reading them, they are a true continuation post DS 9, VOY and ENT.
@Section31Captain True, but my point is that the Star Trek Online MMO (and its related novel) forge ahead with the continuity we all know and love into the 25th century, while the newest movie wants to go back and reinvent the wheel. It's pretty much the only media that has significantly advanced the Trek timeline since ST:TNG.
@ThePennilessWriter Although we are shown glimpses into possible futures in every series, some novels and short stories, you are 100% correct. It is a damn shame what Star Trek 11 has done to the franchise. By the simple fact that it is canon, has ruined the possibilities that existed in the novels.
@ThePennilessWriter Star Trek Online is NOT a canon continuation of Trek. Far from it and looking less and less like Trek every day. They started out claiming to stay true to the prime universe, but never got there and have actually drifted even further away lately. The game is unfinished and boring and they are trying to spice it up by adding crap that isn't canon and isnt even Trek. The whole thing is extremely disapointing.
@stopmojim I never said it was a canon continuation that we all liked, but it's just as valid as the novels and comic books. At least the X-Men haven't popped up again. What was that all about?
@stopmojim remember that, it's just a game. The producer of the game will always make it for gaming fun and money, that's only a commercial way, so their storyline will never be canonical. And the game gone worst is all fault by Cryptic.
I Loved the new Movie. It gave a Fresh Modern spin on Star Trek. By giving it more action. I've always wanted to see a more epic version of Trek. We finally get it with the new movie. However. I felt Nero's ship was WAY to Big. Hell it looked 3x the size of a Borg Cube. Then again. Maybe Romulas in the Prime Timeline started to build bigger ships after the Borg invasions of earth.
@MSFproductionsMAIN Romulanos that don't remind romulanos and nor vulcanos? A ship that throws missiles instead of fasers and topedos and of unreal desing? Spock in state of constant Ponfar with Uhura? Would Spock stop a supernova in romulus with a black hole? And how would the planet be without Sun? Fail. A two-dimensional villain? A pathetic script and bad writing? Is that Epic?? Then Batman Forever was also epic! Worst epic!
@MSFproductionsMAIN Romulanos that don't remind romulanos and nor vulcanos? A ship that throws missiles instead of fasers and topedos and of unreal desing? Spock in state of constant Ponfar with Uhura? Would Spock stop a supernova in romulus with a black hole? And how would the planet be without Sun? Fail. A two-dimensional villain? A pathetic script and bad writing? Is that Epic?? Then Batman Forever was also epic! Worst epic!
@MSFproductionsMAIN: The Narada is like a Borg ship because IT IS a Borg ship-it's tech comes from the Borg, as explained in the prequel comic book Countdown.
@Neville6000 Stop it! Tenologia of the 24th century that uses missiles instead of quantum torpedoes? The Kelvin did not use deflector shield? The Narada with all the power she had to be overcome for scraps before the Enterprise-B and Dominion War is a joke.
@Grayphus: As I said in my last post, dumbfuck, BORG technology. That's how it was able to get weapons through the shields of Federation & Klingon ships. It's as good an explanation as any, and in the context of the movie, it worked well.
I partially agree with you; I would personally liked to have seen a movie either dealing with the aftermath of the Dominion War and a strengthening of trust amongst the quadrant (yea, cheesy and boring, so what) or a movie with Q involved in some way. We already had the Romulans (Nemesis), the Borg (First Contact), the Prime Directive (Insurrection), and the passing of the torch in essense (Generations), but Q hasn't been seen since the series finale of TNG. I want to see Q again.
MrMeter @AH21NZ. You are both right. Star Trek was a hit in syndication because most shows in syndication were aired just after the evening news. That is when their targeted audience was watching TV. When it was on network it was put agenst the more popular westerns, then late-night variety shows.
badgerboyUK: You're my boy! You are absolutely right! STFU Mr. Abrams, go to your lost island or wherever you came from. I must admit, I did not watch that "Star Trek"-movies in cinema, and after seeing it at home, I knew why. If they EVER wanted to change the time and space continuum, why the hell didn't they take what was already there? "Mirror, mirror on the wall..." But a soap opera aboard the Enterprise??? They should rather bury Star Trek than going on with such crap. I MISS STAR TREK!
@PentaBCN: Why don't you go to YOUR lost island instead of being a bitter old-line Trekker obsessed with the founding moment and the 'purity' of the original continuity? Star Trek is not yours to do with as you please, you don't own it, and as such, you have no say in how it's made or aired. If you want to affect Star Trek: The Franchise, get of your ass, go back to school, learn about film-making and THEN you can do something about Star Trek. Until then, keep silent.
@AH21NZ Okay, so its the time line alteration you dont like, even though all the characters in the show ended up in their rightful place. What about the change though.
@Matattack No thats my point things are not were they are sposed to be Vulcan is gone the ship is hidious. i can go on and on ect. ect. it's all wrong like blueskunk12 saqid weres the heart of the original weres the integrity of 40 years GONE all gone
Rick Berman didn't capture the essence of the original either. Under his directing Star Trek moved from sci-fi based morale plays to a sci-fi action series. If you want to judge the new movie based on TOS, then you have to accept that Star Trek has been going to hell for over 20 years.
@AH21NZ if you haven't seen the movie, or even the whole movie, you are not in a position to talk about it. That's like writing a research paper with two sources, yeah you can fill it with enough citations but your credibility is crap and you'll get an F, even if you accurate. Now what exactuly made this a bs version? cause I feel the new digital tech and actors brought in new light and possibility for the franchise.
My opinion is that the new version brought everything back, bigger and better than before, but left out the show's heart.
ToS may have had matte paintings, but it also had Spock facing the dilemma of either letting the Enterprise be commanded by someone less capable or letting his father die. This new Trek can't have that because Spock's father is dead.
Star Trek III had McCoy going back to Vulcan to return Spock's katra. This Trek can't have that because Vulcan has been destroyed.
@blueskunk12 You are right! And with stories bad written with those, I don't imagine that we see any similar thing to the robbery of Entrepise, Wolf 359 and Borgs, the cosmic pranks of Q and other things that were swept for under the rug.
@Matattack just for you info i did sit and watch the whole thing later with my mother. she is an 0riginal trek fan since the 60's and she was sad to see what the did to the FRANCHISE. if thats how its looked @ now then they will 0nly put 0ut crap. just so you have your facts i did see the whole lousy thing and was sick the whole time
Dude, we get it...you don't like the new Star Trek...well quess what?! It's here to stay...so you'd better get used to it or just sit at home watching reruns from TOS.
@MrMeter Sorry but TOS didnt get back 0n the air cause poeple layed down and accepted it. poeple have to be heard. u too should ask for something better than what they are giving us. TOS didnt get back on the air cause people layed down and accepted it. No they spoke up and got what they wanted. they didnt lay down and take it like everyone does now. someone is gona hear me. dont take it personal
Actually Star Trek got back on the air, due to it going into syndication. In other words, after it's commercial failure the studio sought to exploit the series by selling it to other stations. Star Trek became popular after it was cancelled.
And the few times when Paramount did break with the die-hard fanbase were the moments when Star Trek enjoyed it's greatest succes i.e. The Motion Picture, The Next Generation and Star Trek XI.
@MrMeter The original Star Trek series was not a commercial failure. It was canceled because the Nielsen ratings system at the time was galactically flawed. Star Trek was doing well with it's target demographic of young men 18-32. However, Nielsen ratings at that time did not measure demographics, only total viewership. If the Nielsen system had been more accurate, something that was fixed in the next year, the original Star Trek series would almost certainly continued for several more seasons.
@Neville6000 Meh, well, we are all born to buy into something I suppose. And its defiantly not this. Though, I have to admit, not as ridicules and outrageous as what Star Wars has become. Thank you, George, the Tomas Edison of assholes.
The version that they did was sadly ridiculous. The film all seemed to be very bad writing. From the characters (as Sulu guiding Enterprise with the steep hand brake to the computer that translates kilngon besides, to have difficulties with the Russian accent of Chekov) to the phenomena shown as the ship escaping from a black hole with an explosion. The film all was an attempt of mixing Top Gun, Lethal Wepon and An Officer and Gentleman. And the result is bad.
@soso160 0h yea if that was true then u r not a true fan. i hate any one who betrays a true fan 0f anything and that is wat they did. i dont give a fuck about mystery, i wont watch their next P0S hack job either
I am a proud fan of Star Trek, and I loved the new movie. the acting and writing was brilliant, the ship was beautiful, and the special effects and action brought out amazing potential for the new franchise.
...However, from a critical and logical perspective, this movie has completely destroied 75% of the Star Trek Universe. TNG, DS9, VOY, and the movies have all been rewritten. Depending on how severe the changes, it is possible that those characters will never exist.
Well, since "Nimoy Spock" exists, he has his memories of all that happened in the other dimension. If those things didn't happen, he wouldn't exist to talk about them.
I wasn't sure that I liked the alternate dimension thing, but consider the alternative:
Can you imagine how badly the Trekkies would scrutinize a new Star Trek that was supposed to be "historically accurate"?
They'd need a huge staff just to scour the movies for canon mistakes. So I understand the decision, really.
Oh, I'm not bashing it at all, I liked it. I'm just pointing out a logical change in history. Filmmaking-wise, it was genius, because they didn't have to be the perfectly accurate movie AND it allowed the new actors to make these characters their own.
What you brought up with NImoy Spock can be explained in two theories.
@Matattack no see they are not smart enough to come up with their 0wn shit so now they are gone do their 0wn b.s. version 0f everything Gene did thats not creative. its out right lazy
1) Nimoy Spock and all his memories are part of an alternate universe in Muiti-verse Theory. which is facsinating but complicated discussion.
2) Star Trek is a universe governed by fate. In which case all characters will exist in this new reality with only slight changes. This is supported by Kirk overcoming Spock as captain, all characters found their place on the ship, and Admiral Pike was only captian of Enterpirse for a short period, then put in a wheelchair.
@fearguis look @ enterprise they rarely had to make sure they were historically corect and they did just fine. and all they would realy need to do is hire the Okudas for any questions they had not some huge staff. if it had been left in the hands 0f some 0ne that knew wat the fuck they were doing it would have not been a problem. there are plenty 0f things we know happned before during after T0S so they could tell all those stories in just about any way they wanted with 0ut much comprimise
The writing was the WORST thing about the new film, though the actors were pretty good. And I didn't like the engine nacelles on the new movie version: looks like the ship had a nacelle 'boob job', making it the Pam Anderson of starships. Pimp my Trek?! Ugghh...
Story Part 1: Khan blames Kirk for death of wife - has planet-destroying weapon. Nero: blames Spock for death of wife - has planet destroying weapon. Device creates black hole to swallow sun about to nova: how will Romulus survive then without a sun? Easier to ask Federation help to evacuate population. Also, black hole eats planets, stars but allows ships to safely time-travel! WTF?! Transwarp beaming sends folks to a ship travelling unknown speed and course? Hooray! who needs starships now...
Part 2: New version of Scotty played for cheap laughs, but Simon Pegg still good. And where the film finally jumped the shark was making Kirk CAPTAIN of Federation flagship about 2 years after entering the Academy. Not even in urgent wartime could ANYONE get a promo like that. Bad credibility even for a fantasy story. DS9, TNG, Voyager even Stargate SG1 2-parters often had better stories. Otherwise film was ok. :)
Yeah the transwarp beaming was a little far fetched, I dont remember that ever being successful. And the Black Hole Time Travel was made me scratch my head too, for those same reasons. But, then again, were talking about a universe that has create a whole 31 flavors of time travel. lol
@AH21NZ When I said it was otherwise 'okay' I have to own up to some cowardice: when I have harshly criticized the film before - on the OFFICIAL Star Trek Message Boards, I was attacked viciously and received actual *death threats*. Stupid NEO-Fans, eh?! :(
@MattBlak1 yea no shit y would they dare change the ship not the fucking ship. the script was bad but it got their one goal done make money 0f every one. just glad i went with my gut and rented it for 4.50
Yes, the original Star Trek was getting old and needed a much needed face-lift! But, I really didn't like the way they went about the new face-lift! Changing the history of Vulcan and the main character's past, was just plain wrong! Also, now we have two Spocks to deal with? Yes I know, they did it S.T.: TNG, But, that was different!The other Riker was a totally different person in his beliefs! Fine, re-boot the franchise, but leave the main characters history alone!
I think they did a good job on the "face lift" I mean, yea its totally changed everything about one of the main characters, but who cares? It opens new doors....and at first I was suprised to hear vulcan destoryed but, hey, why would they change somes past who WASN'T a main character? hm? Would you of noticed? Probably not so what would be the point of doing that? No reason...so my theory is, is they needed something big, and when I think about it, what a better way to do that?
What's there to continue? they started writing books. and many fans are debating whether to consider then Canon or not, but the story is there if you want to read it.
This would have been the correct way to go reconsider and improve. Instead we got a plot that made no sense, Spock tried to save Romulans and when the Romulan went back i time instead of telling his plant shot was going to happen, he hunted down those who tried to help and still allowing Romulus to die.
And the character development, nothing new there except for rehashed old lines.
Nero was just seeking revenge and was disturbed and upset [he wasn't thinking logically, but neither was Spock, heh]. That's part of the plot that actually made some sense, he was the villain, like a lame version of Khan or that other bald renegade guy with Romulan ties who also wanted to destroy the federation.
Why the hell was he seeking revenge; the was no revenge to be had. He was going after the people who tried to save him and his people thus trying to prevent any chancethat his home might survive. There is no logical to that plot line; none.
He blamed Spock and the federation for letting his planet be destroyed, then he was sent back in time against his will with no way to return to the future. Remember he still had the red matter and Spock's ship and more than a few years to destroy the sun after he destroyed the federation, Spock and the federation had already failed saving Romulus in the future.
I can see where you might be upset but to tell yo uthe truth. This series needed a reboot. it was dead....now it has new breath in it and can keep going.
Learning from the past does not mean re-writing the past. this is why I don't like R-enterprise. It is an alternet time line. Did they give what the fans wanted with the new movie? I would say no. The fans wanted to finish the five year mishion. not distroy the personality of a classical show. Even James Crawly the bigest neard in the world hates the new movie. And he had a cameo in it.
The ST that won a legion of fans, has much greater than a quality toy sold from a Mcburger Sad! And the worst thing is that, make money and this is the most important. Not a good story! And that is what counts. It doesn't matter whether they are bad written or if the characters are a ridiculous version of the original. Romulanas ships that fire missiles instead of quantum torpedoes. Spock is a emo. One-dimensional villain. Applestore style spacecraft. Hopefully this won't have long life.
Grayphus 5 days ago
Great job on the video, I really enjoyed the sequence where you had clips from episodes or movies with characters from different series (Janeway in Nemesis :D). The Star Trek series were great, and always will be in my mind.
I enjoyed the new movie and liked that it was a new twist on Trek, but I can see why some may think not. I think what's important is that this essence of Trek still remains, because that is what has inspired people for so long.
CeruleanPhoenix7 1 month ago
Good video, whoever was responsible and good music to it, I usually don't like music over trek scenes but this works well. The new film was commercially was a fantastic idea and got loads of non-trek fans watching, but for a real hardcore fan like me, it was awful.
TheCormTube 1 month ago 3
First, love this tribute and even though I very much enjoyed Ent & ST 09, I agree 100%, don't look to the past!!
But, this is where the re-launch novels come into play. Yes, I know they aren't "canon" and people just dismiss them out of hand, but these novels offer great stories that continue the adventures and stories of characters we have come to love. If I was ever able to create a new ST tv series, I would use the novels to create the setting...and yes, Im a continuity whore :P
Crucible52 2 months ago in playlist More videos from badgerboyUK
In one way I agree with the OP in another way I don't whilst I don't think that the new startrek was the best it was good but not great but with regards Enterprise it had a good permise in that it tells the story of how we got from where we are today to the time that we became part of the vast Federation that we saw in the other series I just think the writers having done the show for so long we re running out of fresh ideas
sjsharp2007 2 months ago
The old TV shows are awesome and the movie sucks! Done! End of story! Wham bam thank you ma'am!
musicloverdude5 4 months ago
@musicloverdude5 Yes, they were! But to sell a movie today it has to be a mixture of fast and the furious with soap opera mexicana. It can be bad writing. No problem. JJ did a trash version that sells.
Grayphus 5 days ago
while I agree with going forward in the prime universe, as we now HAVE to call it because of the Abrahmsverse that's been created, i actually liked enterprise, true i would've preferred a post-voy series but in season 4 especially of ENT, there were great episodes and the ideas for the 5th season were great. But i agree let's just move away from the Abrahmsverse and move forward in the Prime universe.
GndAdmBerner 4 months ago
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musicloverdude5 4 months ago in playlist Liked
The new film is empty! It has no soul. It's just a bunch of action scenes
like Fast and the Furious. Ideal for those who like fads.
It's actually very similar to Batman & Robin directed by Joel Shoemaker.
He also tried to make a fun movie, well we saw the result. Batcard!
Bizarro! Sold as blockbusters but films that are cheap.
Batman & Robin, 2012, Terminator 3, and the movie JJ. All of them unpalatable and soulless.
Grayphus 6 months ago 6
Great video,I agreed with message
Rudrash 6 months ago
This video is fucking epic!! The bridges connecting the difference series were absolutely brilliant, not to mention the last part with the characters from different series making appearances on others. Man you're right did this ever make me miss Star Trek!!!
mtlgreen 6 months ago
Very very good selection of clips.
SimonAmsterdam 6 months ago
If they do make a new series they need to completely ignore the events of the new movie. I've always thought that, save for the previous movies which followed the TV shows, Star trek belongs solely on TV.
musicloverdude5 6 months ago
@musicloverdude5: They're not going to do that especially since neither DS9 or Voyager is that truly and totally popular anymore. In fact, the new comic book from IDW is a continuation of the new movie. And as long as Les Mooves is president & CEO of CBS, Star Trek won't be on TV (he hates it, and the only network Star Trek can be on is CBS.) I sincerely urge you to just deal with what's happening now.
Neville6000 6 months ago
@Neville6000 Well that just means that "Les Mooves" is simple-minded:( As for the part of me dealing with it, thats just not going to happen.
musicloverdude5 6 months ago
@Neville6000 You pessimistic embarassment to humanity!!!!! You're not in any position to tell me what to deal with!!!!!! Anybody who doesn't like Star Trek should be locked in internment camps and beaten. Also every single Star Trek novel and comic is never considered canon so they don't mean anything.
musicloverdude5 4 months ago
@musicloverdude5: And you're not in any position to influence me or anybody else about Star Trek: The Franchise. What you (and the others here) are is a bunch of whiny, spoiled over-indulged fanboys/girls with big mouths and nothing coming out of your mouths except the brown stuff that's supposed to come out of your bottoms. When you all can get jobs in the industry, then you can spew whatever you want, but until then, you are just as I've described all of you.
Neville6000 4 months ago
@musicloverdude5: YOU'RE the 'pessimistic embarrassment to humanity,' not I. AS I've said before, all you and everybody else here is are whiny fanboys/girls who need to get over yourselves as far as thinking that you are what defines Star Trek fandom-you're not, and will (hopefully) NEVER be that.
Neville6000 4 months ago
I agree, post nemesis is a good idea
John3285 6 months ago
Paramounts problem is that for Nemesis and JJ the had someone who isn't a trek fan do it and Enterprise had potential but bad writing and until JJ the worst of the Trek
Revkor 7 months ago 2
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Wow the Music gave it a great melancholic feeling to the video, However, I was Waiting for BATMAN to show up at any moment... well, at least STAR-MAN. ;^P
demoniosolitario 9 months ago
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demoniosolitario 9 months ago
It looks like they took the rejected elements of Star Trek Phase 2 (intended series prior to TMP, not the fan fiction), and channeled Irwin Allen instead of Gene Roddenberry...
MadMichigander1313 9 months ago
@banglefaar What are you so upset about!? All I did was leave a comment, which interestingly does not contradict anything you posted in your comment. My comment basically stated, "I don't like the direction they went with Star Trek, but it is what it is. There's nothing I can do about it."
larryroth 10 months ago
The only way to accept this film as Star Trek canon is to think of the film as being a story about Spock being pulled back in time in an alternate Trek Universe.
larryroth 10 months ago
Great video. I have come to peace with the new Star Trek, mainly because it is what it is, and that's the direction the studio is going now. But I am disappointed with the reboots, reimaginings, and rehashings. Hollywood has no creativity anymore.
The new Star Trek, ironically, is almost a remake of Star Trek: Nemesis mixed with Wrath of Kahn and Star Wars: Episode IV and a big freaking budget.
Visually it is the greatest of the Star Trek films. The pacing is superb.
But it's not Star Trek.
larryroth 10 months ago
@larryroth The title of the new film and a whole string of producers who own the rights to Star Trek say otherwise. Accept it, the future was undone by Nero mingling with the past and with the way the last Star Trek series (Enterprise) and that piece of shit film (Nemesis), Star Trek needed a reboot and it's the most decent one out of hundreds of failed remakes and reboots.
Had the new film not came out, Star Trek would STILL be on life support with delusional fans defending the shit it became.
banglefaar 10 months ago 2
@banglefaar The special effects were even copied of Star Wars! The destruction of Alderan/Vulcan for the Deathstar that shoots missiles?? Spok in state of pon far with Uhura and with personality emo? Kirk to be promoted to captain after his 1st mission was ridiculo. I cannot talk about the actors who did well his work, but the scirpt was simply a garbage. And to consider something so badly written like "descent" ... sad!
Grayphus 10 months ago
What existed of bad one with ST it was the scriptwriters, who in this re-creation ate shit. AGAIN!!
At last, to exchange shit for shit still bigger is not an any progress. And to consider something so badly written like 'descent' ... sad! Not grand at all (Wolf 359) or emblematic (Khaaaaa!!) welt of this excuse of sci-fi.
Grayphus 10 months ago
@Grayphus What's ridiculous is your spelling and sentence structure.
banglefaar 10 months ago
@banglefaar Sorry Mister Webster! ^___^
Dont blame me! I used Google tradutor!
Pelo visto, minhas reais palavras se perderam! Mas o mais triste é que voce consegui gostar de um amontoado de sandices mau escritas. Mostra de um grande mau gosto e cabeça vazia, capaz de aceitar qualquer merda dos produtores, com um sorriso!
Grayphus 9 months ago
@Grayphus: Spock wasn't in a state of pon farr with Uhura, he was in LOVE, L-O-V-E with her; the effects WEREN'T copied off of Star Wars, the destruction of Vulcan wasn't like Alderran, the Narada wasn't ANYTHING like the Death Star, and Kirk being promoted is a given after being such a hero and saving Earth! Any other ridiculous nonsense you like to spew about the new movie, or are you going to be sensible from now on?
Neville6000 6 months ago
@Neville6000 This film is so poorly written that offends my intelligence.
In the film, Kirk finds Spock's future in an ice planet and being hunted by a beast of ice! Hot! The film tries to make fun of a Mcoy that as a doctor is excelte makeup. Sulu forgets to release the brake and the ship's computer gets confused with the accent of Pavel. Kirk is a jerk and not a candidate for a charismatic leader.
Grayphus 6 months ago
@Grayphus: You forget, my dear Grayphus, that similar things happened on the original show as well-yet you didn't bitch about those. Why bitch now?
McCoy wasn't being made fun of, he was just as he used to be in the original series
So Sulu made a mistake? Big deal-it was a great funny moment. The same with Pavel's accent problem.
Bottom line, you are just another disgruntled old line Trekker who needs to get some perspective about Star Trek, or quit watching it.
Neville6000 6 months ago
@Neville6000 The film remains poor and bad writing. Galactic also had a re-make, but the characters were not portrayed as pathetic versions of themselves.
In fact some were much better. Obviously having good writers qualiade made a difference in the show. And there was not a single joke that save the film.
Though not ST, something I have never liked as inelegant. Clumsy!
Grayphus 6 months ago
@Neville6000 The enterprise until it sounds like the Millennium Falcon in his appearance at the last second. Nero is mono dimencional. The warp effect is an abuse of lens flare! It makes me remember the effects used in SW. I do not criticize the actors. They did their jobs well. But their characters are ridiculous. I hated it. You can disagree with meBut I still find a pile of shit bad writing. Right! you liked the movie. And I do not!
Grayphus 6 months ago
@Grayphus: You wouldn't know what shitty writing is if it bit you on your ass.
Neville6000 6 months ago
@Neville6000 And just to explain, it is obvious that the film was not made to please the old Trekkies, or would have been written more intelligently. It was done to attract the attention of different people. Seeking a new audience. So I do not like to see a rip-off of SW. I saw nothing of what I expected. Nothing but a joke.
My English is not so good for me to enumerate other stupidities of the film. But others here may want.
Grayphus 6 months ago
@Grayphus: The ONLY thing the 'old Trekkies' can do is put the frack up or shut the frack up, or (better yet) get the frack lost-and STAY lost.
Neville6000 4 months ago
@Neville6000 Frack?? U mad bro?? ^__^
Grayphus 4 months ago
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Grayphus 6 months ago
@Neville6000 I just remembered! Ryker can save the Earth from the Borg after they destroyed the fleet, with Enterprise D and is not promoted to Admiral. Wesley exposed an attempted infiltration of the fleet by brainwashing of the officers of the ship and was not promoted, even the lieutenant. Very unfair not you agree? Or just more realistic to promote an academy cadet fresh out of a position in which the most talented military takes 5 years to achieve.
Grayphus 6 months ago
@larryroth: Only to deluded people like you trapped in the past (like a lot of other fans of music, TV, etc. on YouTube.)
Neville6000 6 months ago
@Neville6000 Wow. I'd forgot that I had even left a comment here. I don't even know which comment of mine you have replied. Thanks for your interest, though.
larryroth 6 months ago
Saturday, April 2, 2011.
I love the video. It's really great. So, is the music.
terrymarvin2010ify 11 months ago
THIS VIDEO FREAKIN' ROCKED!!!! THE BEST DRAMA AND HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MOVIES AND SERIES! THANK YOU!
mtlgreen 11 months ago
maybe... the good in Star Trek was being original. I think creativeness is gone in Hollywood... 30 yrs history is written for ST Online, that's another problem in the future.. I'm not sure what to do...
cseppento 1 year ago
I agree, lets fight for "STAR TREK CONTINUES". Let that new Star Trek for JJ and whoelse like it. I Prefer Dominium War, Voyager Returns, Riker is finally Captains. There is a future show ed by Q abaout Federation x Klingons. There is too many things to do than look back. LETS MOVE FOWARD
marcioguimaraens 1 year ago
@marcioguimaraens: The Dominion War is over, Frakes (Riker) isn't acting anymore, and the 24th century epoch is finished-accept reality and move on.
Neville6000 6 months ago
@Neville6000 Apparently those who like to live in the past is you. For the past are coming back, coming back with Kirk, with not being able to write something new is lack of capacity, smiling and swallowing shit, only those who like junk food.
Grayphus 6 months ago
I've been watching Star Trek for 32 years of my life. The vision behind it was the future. It was never intended to move backward. If it's to continue, it needs to move forward. The Enterpise series was a mistake and the movie 09 movie an even bigger one. I will never consider either of them a legitimate part of ST history. Marvel us with something new and more advanced and stop trying to create history before the show existed. TOS was the real beginning and that fact will always stand.
Windsor351 1 year ago
Needs some TOS footage, otherwise a damn good montage. Great music score too!
And as to ST movies, they should make one set during the Federation/Klingon war.
Or, and this idea is my favourite, make a TV show set in the Mirror Universe during the TOS Era!
VinnyMonster1 1 year ago
Very well done! You captured so many of the pivotal moments throughout the series. I hope that Paramount would do at least one more film with the "Next Gen" & "DS9" crew to really wrap that legacy up nicely. "The Undiscovered Country" was a well established farewell to the Original Crew. Something similar needs to be done with the "Next Gen" & I think there's enough support out there for them to do it. Also need a new series for this generation up & coming.
code3purple 1 year ago
MORN!
dixievfd55 1 year ago
First of all, in this movie, clips of Star Trek Enterprise! were used, but still not mentioned at the end ´cause it is in the past!? That´s not fair!
And second, most Star Trek series are way to far in the future imo. 22nd and 23rd century all the way baby!
JAGTHEGEMINI 1 year ago
I agree with this video. Good job. I see no point in going backwards. The first time they did it for ST:ENT it wasn't as good as the series before it. Did they really think doing a movie like that would make us happy? Someone who knows what to do with the Star Trek franchise should be given control. Even I could do better than them and I'm not a writer or producer. Maybe all of us fans should pool our money together and buy the rights to Star Trek because we could sure do a better job.
sliderprime7 1 year ago
As long as this doesn't show ST (09) then it great!!!!!!
asuch874 1 year ago
I want the Enterprise A voyages(yes I know.... it'd be just as useless as junk if not crewed by the TOS crew ;( Rest in peace James Doohan), Enterprise B voyages, Enterprise C voyages, Enterprise F voyages(maybe even G voyages) and something like DS9(but set farther into the future) just cos I like to see the borg pwnt.
However I can't say I am unhappy that The One and Only is returning...
StelarCF 1 year ago
...I miss the PRIME as well, but, as mentioned, we must look ahead. The new TREK for the alternate timeline.
Ashenion22 1 year ago
looks like the same star trek compilation of the 40th anniversary video.. but it isnt bad
MTABOSS93 1 year ago
Star Trek 11 should have been set 50 years after Nemesis and focus on a brand new Enterprise Crew.
Terribleclaw2015 1 year ago
@Terribleclaw2015 good idea but i am nt sure how the audiance would react to a new enterprise crew, maybe there should have done a series and then movie so we get to knpw the characters more
iamrocky4455 1 year ago
realli enjoyed this video, for me i would like to no what happens to voyager and like you said who are the new crew on enterprice E but i think that the new star trek film is a brilliant film
iamrocky4455 1 year ago
one of many non-canonical Star Trek future is based on the alternate timeline of the TOS, that's mean the movie in 2009 changed all the things. And this new storyline is now on the game Star Trek Online. It's seem that Romulan had fallen, and Federation is fighting the Borg and new enemy Undine (Species 8472) in the 25th century.
ricky60831462 1 year ago
I prefer the future that the original series, Next Generation, and JJ's version where there is a future of peace and adventure. That looking out to the stars is a legacy and not a curse. It's that what Star Trek was missing after Gene Roddenberry died, and JJ brought it back, returning Star Trek to its innocence and to what it was about.
Potrimpo 1 year ago
@Potrimpo Sorry JJ did not. All he did was to make Star Trek into Star Wars. You are right about the peaceful exploration and adventure, but that has been missing since the Borg showed up. After that it has been War WarWarWar.
archangel72367 9 months ago
@archangel72367 However, how much of Star Wars was found on the original Star Trek? Seen too many examples of that.
Potrimpo 9 months ago
We need to expand post Nemesis or The Lost Era, not PRE-TOS
Fill in gaps that need to be filled.. IE The Enterprise B and C, not a new take on TOS.
Nalthren 1 year ago 27
@Nalthren I don't want to see the Lost Era, because it was so good to see it only in some episodes like the 21st century, only some time travelling episodes, and not the full picture, it had a kind of feeling. I'd like a new generation again 50-60 yrs later:) but maybe that would be repeating history, so I don't know, what to do, they have to be original.
cseppento 1 year ago
@cseppento Maybe more of Sela?
dernhelmrs 1 year ago
@Nalthren
We definitely need to know what happens post Nemesis. I wonder if there is another Dominion War? It seems like the Federation has become corrupted and it would be interesting to see how they could get the Federation back on track after the First Dominion War.
smcneal057 1 year ago
@smcneal057
What would be neat is if they showed Star Trek from a different perspective like Klingons Romulans, etc., instead of the show always taking place on some Earth Federation ship.
Sure the make up may cost more, and humans might be villanized, but it could make for an interesting series.
Sismiques 9 months ago
@Sismiques
That would be good to see. I also think seeing Star Trek in the 25th century would be great. I would love to see slipstream drive on all the ships. The Romulan perspective would be interesting especially after the destruction of Romulus.
smcneal057 9 months ago
@smcneal057
Yeah.
Sismiques 9 months ago
@Nalthren Agreed 100%. Another possibility is if they made a series centered around the USS Excelsior set in the turn of the 24th and 25th century without Sulu commanding. Now that's something I would be willing to see as long as they, like you said, move forward not backward.
musicloverdude5 6 months ago
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@Nalthren: The only 'post Nemesis or The Lost Era' that will happen is in the comic books, the online game and the novels. That's it. So please stop wishing for something that will NEVER HAPPEN.
Neville6000 6 months ago
Sadly, if you're looking for a true continuation of the Star Trek franchise post-Dominion War, Star Trek Online is the only place you'll see it.
ThePennilessWriter 1 year ago
@ThePennilessWriter You state "the Star Trek franchise". That would include the novels. Although you will not "see" anything while reading them, they are a true continuation post DS 9, VOY and ENT.
Section31Captain 1 year ago
@Section31Captain True, but my point is that the Star Trek Online MMO (and its related novel) forge ahead with the continuity we all know and love into the 25th century, while the newest movie wants to go back and reinvent the wheel. It's pretty much the only media that has significantly advanced the Trek timeline since ST:TNG.
ThePennilessWriter 1 year ago
@ThePennilessWriter Although we are shown glimpses into possible futures in every series, some novels and short stories, you are 100% correct. It is a damn shame what Star Trek 11 has done to the franchise. By the simple fact that it is canon, has ruined the possibilities that existed in the novels.
Section31Captain 1 year ago
@Section31Captain: Novels, video game, comic books....whatever.
Neville6000 6 months ago
@ThePennilessWriter Star Trek Online is NOT a canon continuation of Trek. Far from it and looking less and less like Trek every day. They started out claiming to stay true to the prime universe, but never got there and have actually drifted even further away lately. The game is unfinished and boring and they are trying to spice it up by adding crap that isn't canon and isnt even Trek. The whole thing is extremely disapointing.
stopmojim 1 year ago
@stopmojim I never said it was a canon continuation that we all liked, but it's just as valid as the novels and comic books. At least the X-Men haven't popped up again. What was that all about?
ThePennilessWriter 1 year ago
@stopmojim remember that, it's just a game. The producer of the game will always make it for gaming fun and money, that's only a commercial way, so their storyline will never be canonical. And the game gone worst is all fault by Cryptic.
ricky60831462 1 year ago
@stopmojim: Maybe not for cannon addicts like yourself, but for everybody else who plays it, it works.
Neville6000 6 months ago
@Neville6000 Jeez dude, obsess on Trek much? You need to get out of that basement.
stopmojim 6 months ago
@stopmojim: I live in an apartment, asswipe, and also, where I live and how I live is NONE of your fracking business.
Neville6000 4 months ago
to actionsguy1 yes well the new movie ist not trek is wars
VolkerLove 1 year ago
I Loved the new Movie. It gave a Fresh Modern spin on Star Trek. By giving it more action. I've always wanted to see a more epic version of Trek. We finally get it with the new movie. However. I felt Nero's ship was WAY to Big. Hell it looked 3x the size of a Borg Cube. Then again. Maybe Romulas in the Prime Timeline started to build bigger ships after the Borg invasions of earth.
MSFproductionsMAIN 1 year ago
@MSFproductionsMAIN Romulanos that don't remind romulanos and nor vulcanos? A ship that throws missiles instead of fasers and topedos and of unreal desing? Spock in state of constant Ponfar with Uhura? Would Spock stop a supernova in romulus with a black hole? And how would the planet be without Sun? Fail. A two-dimensional villain? A pathetic script and bad writing? Is that Epic?? Then Batman Forever was also epic! Worst epic!
Grayphus 1 year ago
@MSFproductionsMAIN Romulanos that don't remind romulanos and nor vulcanos? A ship that throws missiles instead of fasers and topedos and of unreal desing? Spock in state of constant Ponfar with Uhura? Would Spock stop a supernova in romulus with a black hole? And how would the planet be without Sun? Fail. A two-dimensional villain? A pathetic script and bad writing? Is that Epic?? Then Batman Forever was also epic! Worst epic!
Grayphus 1 year ago
@MSFproductionsMAIN: The Narada is like a Borg ship because IT IS a Borg ship-it's tech comes from the Borg, as explained in the prequel comic book Countdown.
Neville6000 6 months ago
@Neville6000 Stop it! Tenologia of the 24th century that uses missiles instead of quantum torpedoes? The Kelvin did not use deflector shield? The Narada with all the power she had to be overcome for scraps before the Enterprise-B and Dominion War is a joke.
Grayphus 6 months ago
@Grayphus: As I said in my last post, dumbfuck, BORG technology. That's how it was able to get weapons through the shields of Federation & Klingon ships. It's as good an explanation as any, and in the context of the movie, it worked well.
Neville6000 1 month ago
I partially agree with you; I would personally liked to have seen a movie either dealing with the aftermath of the Dominion War and a strengthening of trust amongst the quadrant (yea, cheesy and boring, so what) or a movie with Q involved in some way. We already had the Romulans (Nemesis), the Borg (First Contact), the Prime Directive (Insurrection), and the passing of the torch in essense (Generations), but Q hasn't been seen since the series finale of TNG. I want to see Q again.
Moviewatcher1981 1 year ago
Brilliant
Thank you for not including that JJ Douchebag faggotry
Essefen 1 year ago
@Essefen Amen!!
Grayphus 1 year ago
@Essefen: When you can't win in the court of public opinion, you resort to homophobia/sexism and insults. Real smart, dude.
Neville6000 6 months ago
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pinkberryice1 1 year ago
MrMeter @AH21NZ. You are both right. Star Trek was a hit in syndication because most shows in syndication were aired just after the evening news. That is when their targeted audience was watching TV. When it was on network it was put agenst the more popular westerns, then late-night variety shows.
BondFreek 1 year ago
badgerboyUK: You're my boy! You are absolutely right! STFU Mr. Abrams, go to your lost island or wherever you came from. I must admit, I did not watch that "Star Trek"-movies in cinema, and after seeing it at home, I knew why. If they EVER wanted to change the time and space continuum, why the hell didn't they take what was already there? "Mirror, mirror on the wall..." But a soap opera aboard the Enterprise??? They should rather bury Star Trek than going on with such crap. I MISS STAR TREK!
PentaBCN 1 year ago
@PentaBCN: Why don't you go to YOUR lost island instead of being a bitter old-line Trekker obsessed with the founding moment and the 'purity' of the original continuity? Star Trek is not yours to do with as you please, you don't own it, and as such, you have no say in how it's made or aired. If you want to affect Star Trek: The Franchise, get of your ass, go back to school, learn about film-making and THEN you can do something about Star Trek. Until then, keep silent.
Neville6000 6 months ago
@AH21NZ Okay, so its the time line alteration you dont like, even though all the characters in the show ended up in their rightful place. What about the change though.
Matattack 1 year ago
@Matattack No thats my point things are not were they are sposed to be Vulcan is gone the ship is hidious. i can go on and on ect. ect. it's all wrong like blueskunk12 saqid weres the heart of the original weres the integrity of 40 years GONE all gone
AH21NZ 1 year ago
@AH21NZ
Rick Berman didn't capture the essence of the original either. Under his directing Star Trek moved from sci-fi based morale plays to a sci-fi action series. If you want to judge the new movie based on TOS, then you have to accept that Star Trek has been going to hell for over 20 years.
MrMeter 1 year ago
@AH21NZ if you haven't seen the movie, or even the whole movie, you are not in a position to talk about it. That's like writing a research paper with two sources, yeah you can fill it with enough citations but your credibility is crap and you'll get an F, even if you accurate. Now what exactuly made this a bs version? cause I feel the new digital tech and actors brought in new light and possibility for the franchise.
Matattack 1 year ago 2
@Matattack
My opinion is that the new version brought everything back, bigger and better than before, but left out the show's heart.
ToS may have had matte paintings, but it also had Spock facing the dilemma of either letting the Enterprise be commanded by someone less capable or letting his father die. This new Trek can't have that because Spock's father is dead.
Star Trek III had McCoy going back to Vulcan to return Spock's katra. This Trek can't have that because Vulcan has been destroyed.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 You are right! And with stories bad written with those, I don't imagine that we see any similar thing to the robbery of Entrepise, Wolf 359 and Borgs, the cosmic pranks of Q and other things that were swept for under the rug.
Grayphus 1 year ago
@Matattack just for you info i did sit and watch the whole thing later with my mother. she is an 0riginal trek fan since the 60's and she was sad to see what the did to the FRANCHISE. if thats how its looked @ now then they will 0nly put 0ut crap. just so you have your facts i did see the whole lousy thing and was sick the whole time
AH21NZ 1 year ago
I would not have had a problem with them going back and doing new adventures of Kirk and crew, but to completly change the time line. WRONG ALL WRONG
AH21NZ 1 year ago
Dude, we get it...you don't like the new Star Trek...well quess what?! It's here to stay...so you'd better get used to it or just sit at home watching reruns from TOS.
MrMeter 1 year ago
@MrMeter They said the same on G.W.Bush! And the world saw the result of having an idiot guiding USS América. ^__^
And we have a guiding ST today! Selling lies badly elaborated for who wants them. In the case, JJ represents a Bush with merit.
As well as ST XI Batman can be compared & Robin Forever.
Grayphus 1 year ago
@Grayphus
You sir, are not making any sense...
MrMeter 1 year ago
@MrMeter Bad english?? sorry! ^_^
Grayphus 1 year ago
@MrMeter yea I think im gona have to thanx to poeple like you
AH21NZ 1 year ago
@AH21NZ
Now you're just being rude :(
MrMeter 1 year ago
@MrMeter Sorry but TOS didnt get back 0n the air cause poeple layed down and accepted it. poeple have to be heard. u too should ask for something better than what they are giving us. TOS didnt get back on the air cause people layed down and accepted it. No they spoke up and got what they wanted. they didnt lay down and take it like everyone does now. someone is gona hear me. dont take it personal
AH21NZ 1 year ago
@AH21NZ
Actually Star Trek got back on the air, due to it going into syndication. In other words, after it's commercial failure the studio sought to exploit the series by selling it to other stations. Star Trek became popular after it was cancelled.
And the few times when Paramount did break with the die-hard fanbase were the moments when Star Trek enjoyed it's greatest succes i.e. The Motion Picture, The Next Generation and Star Trek XI.
MrMeter 1 year ago
@MrMeter The original Star Trek series was not a commercial failure. It was canceled because the Nielsen ratings system at the time was galactically flawed. Star Trek was doing well with it's target demographic of young men 18-32. However, Nielsen ratings at that time did not measure demographics, only total viewership. If the Nielsen system had been more accurate, something that was fixed in the next year, the original Star Trek series would almost certainly continued for several more seasons.
zigertube 1 year ago 13
TOS- Timeless
TNG- Good
DS9- Mixed Feelings
Voyager- Bad
Enterprise- Broken
Star Trek XI- Dead to me...
Christtnot 1 year ago
@Christtnot TOS - good TNG - better DS9= best of all VOY- ok in laste few seasons
New Movie WTF
AH21NZ 1 year ago
@Christtnot: As you are dead to the rest of us.
Neville6000 6 months ago
@Neville6000 Meh, well, we are all born to buy into something I suppose. And its defiantly not this. Though, I have to admit, not as ridicules and outrageous as what Star Wars has become. Thank you, George, the Tomas Edison of assholes.
Christtnot 6 months ago
I am not a Shiite fan (klingon) of Star Trek, but I won't lose more my time with other film done with this model.
Really, instead of producing something new they made something ridiculously done bad.
Grayphus 1 year ago
@Grayphus: Good bye, and don't let the door hit you on the way out, then.
Neville6000 6 months ago
The version that they did was sadly ridiculous. The film all seemed to be very bad writing. From the characters (as Sulu guiding Enterprise with the steep hand brake to the computer that translates kilngon besides, to have difficulties with the Russian accent of Chekov) to the phenomena shown as the ship escaping from a black hole with an explosion. The film all was an attempt of mixing Top Gun, Lethal Wepon and An Officer and Gentleman. And the result is bad.
Grayphus 1 year ago
@Grayphus agreed very true thanx for saying
AH21NZ 1 year ago
Ik really liked teh new movie. The one thing i really REALLY miss is a Voyager movie!
Mylady7 2 years ago
I am star Trek addict, no matter what they do they always captured me.
the main point of Star trek is the Mystry.
I believe that the fans of Star trek love it because they want to explore the mystry of the unknown.
soso160 2 years ago
@soso160 0h yea if that was true then u r not a true fan. i hate any one who betrays a true fan 0f anything and that is wat they did. i dont give a fuck about mystery, i wont watch their next P0S hack job either
AH21NZ 1 year ago
I am a proud fan of Star Trek, and I loved the new movie. the acting and writing was brilliant, the ship was beautiful, and the special effects and action brought out amazing potential for the new franchise.
...However, from a critical and logical perspective, this movie has completely destroied 75% of the Star Trek Universe. TNG, DS9, VOY, and the movies have all been rewritten. Depending on how severe the changes, it is possible that those characters will never exist.
Matattack 2 years ago
Well, since "Nimoy Spock" exists, he has his memories of all that happened in the other dimension. If those things didn't happen, he wouldn't exist to talk about them.
I wasn't sure that I liked the alternate dimension thing, but consider the alternative:
Can you imagine how badly the Trekkies would scrutinize a new Star Trek that was supposed to be "historically accurate"?
They'd need a huge staff just to scour the movies for canon mistakes. So I understand the decision, really.
fearguis 2 years ago
Oh, I'm not bashing it at all, I liked it. I'm just pointing out a logical change in history. Filmmaking-wise, it was genius, because they didn't have to be the perfectly accurate movie AND it allowed the new actors to make these characters their own.
What you brought up with NImoy Spock can be explained in two theories.
Matattack 2 years ago
@Matattack no see they are not smart enough to come up with their 0wn shit so now they are gone do their 0wn b.s. version 0f everything Gene did thats not creative. its out right lazy
AH21NZ 1 year ago
1) Nimoy Spock and all his memories are part of an alternate universe in Muiti-verse Theory. which is facsinating but complicated discussion.
2) Star Trek is a universe governed by fate. In which case all characters will exist in this new reality with only slight changes. This is supported by Kirk overcoming Spock as captain, all characters found their place on the ship, and Admiral Pike was only captian of Enterpirse for a short period, then put in a wheelchair.
Matattack 2 years ago
@fearguis look @ enterprise they rarely had to make sure they were historically corect and they did just fine. and all they would realy need to do is hire the Okudas for any questions they had not some huge staff. if it had been left in the hands 0f some 0ne that knew wat the fuck they were doing it would have not been a problem. there are plenty 0f things we know happned before during after T0S so they could tell all those stories in just about any way they wanted with 0ut much comprimise
AH21NZ 1 year ago
The writing was the WORST thing about the new film, though the actors were pretty good. And I didn't like the engine nacelles on the new movie version: looks like the ship had a nacelle 'boob job', making it the Pam Anderson of starships. Pimp my Trek?! Ugghh...
MattBlak1 2 years ago 5
Which writing, the story or the script? cause I'm gonna have to say "nay" XD Both were awesome.
I do have to agree with you on the nacelles. It was preportional from a side view, but I thought it was overwhelming from the front.
Matattack 2 years ago
Story Part 1: Khan blames Kirk for death of wife - has planet-destroying weapon. Nero: blames Spock for death of wife - has planet destroying weapon. Device creates black hole to swallow sun about to nova: how will Romulus survive then without a sun? Easier to ask Federation help to evacuate population. Also, black hole eats planets, stars but allows ships to safely time-travel! WTF?! Transwarp beaming sends folks to a ship travelling unknown speed and course? Hooray! who needs starships now...
MattBlak1 2 years ago
Part 2: New version of Scotty played for cheap laughs, but Simon Pegg still good. And where the film finally jumped the shark was making Kirk CAPTAIN of Federation flagship about 2 years after entering the Academy. Not even in urgent wartime could ANYONE get a promo like that. Bad credibility even for a fantasy story. DS9, TNG, Voyager even Stargate SG1 2-parters often had better stories. Otherwise film was ok. :)
MattBlak1 2 years ago
Yeah the transwarp beaming was a little far fetched, I dont remember that ever being successful. And the Black Hole Time Travel was made me scratch my head too, for those same reasons. But, then again, were talking about a universe that has create a whole 31 flavors of time travel. lol
Matattack 2 years ago
@MattBlak1 the film was not ok it was bad realy bad just look @ wat you said
AH21NZ 1 year ago
@AH21NZ When I said it was otherwise 'okay' I have to own up to some cowardice: when I have harshly criticized the film before - on the OFFICIAL Star Trek Message Boards, I was attacked viciously and received actual *death threats*. Stupid NEO-Fans, eh?! :(
MattBlak1 1 year ago
@Matattack both were so bad i had to vomit mid way through had to turn it 0ff and take it back to the rental place the same night
AH21NZ 1 year ago
@MattBlak1 yea no shit y would they dare change the ship not the fucking ship. the script was bad but it got their one goal done make money 0f every one. just glad i went with my gut and rented it for 4.50
AH21NZ 1 year ago
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Ruhnald 2 years ago
Yes, the original Star Trek was getting old and needed a much needed face-lift! But, I really didn't like the way they went about the new face-lift! Changing the history of Vulcan and the main character's past, was just plain wrong! Also, now we have two Spocks to deal with? Yes I know, they did it S.T.: TNG, But, that was different!The other Riker was a totally different person in his beliefs! Fine, re-boot the franchise, but leave the main characters history alone!
mandrake2273 2 years ago
@mandrake2273
I think they did a good job on the "face lift" I mean, yea its totally changed everything about one of the main characters, but who cares? It opens new doors....and at first I was suprised to hear vulcan destoryed but, hey, why would they change somes past who WASN'T a main character? hm? Would you of noticed? Probably not so what would be the point of doing that? No reason...so my theory is, is they needed something big, and when I think about it, what a better way to do that?
celticurse 2 years ago
@celticurse of thats so sad. all the fans have been betrade
AH21NZ 1 year ago
Nicely none!! Star Trek will be with us forever!!
captainpicard1701 2 years ago
i also want to see the future... (Data's programing took over B4 and now he's captain of the Enterprise E)
tlhlngan 2 years ago
Awesome!
SeaCrescent 2 years ago
excellent video, thanks for the uploader.
i miss the star trek too :(
isnt there possible to start a petition of the continue of the story?
Airdaddy75 2 years ago
What's there to continue? they started writing books. and many fans are debating whether to consider then Canon or not, but the story is there if you want to read it.
Random1590 2 years ago
This would have been the correct way to go reconsider and improve. Instead we got a plot that made no sense, Spock tried to save Romulans and when the Romulan went back i time instead of telling his plant shot was going to happen, he hunted down those who tried to help and still allowing Romulus to die.
And the character development, nothing new there except for rehashed old lines.
riveness 2 years ago
Nero was just seeking revenge and was disturbed and upset [he wasn't thinking logically, but neither was Spock, heh]. That's part of the plot that actually made some sense, he was the villain, like a lame version of Khan or that other bald renegade guy with Romulan ties who also wanted to destroy the federation.
alexfanx 2 years ago
Why the hell was he seeking revenge; the was no revenge to be had. He was going after the people who tried to save him and his people thus trying to prevent any chancethat his home might survive. There is no logical to that plot line; none.
riveness 2 years ago
He blamed Spock and the federation for letting his planet be destroyed, then he was sent back in time against his will with no way to return to the future. Remember he still had the red matter and Spock's ship and more than a few years to destroy the sun after he destroyed the federation, Spock and the federation had already failed saving Romulus in the future.
alexfanx 2 years ago
I can see where you might be upset but to tell yo uthe truth. This series needed a reboot. it was dead....now it has new breath in it and can keep going.
ScardTurtl 2 years ago 2
I liked the new movie and look foward to the sequel but i agree with you i want to see Star Trek be in the future again.
MrThermomanPreacher 2 years ago
i'm reminded of another phrase...
"those who don't learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them"
does looking to the future actually HURT us more than we think it helps?
bookworm1138 2 years ago
Learning from the past does not mean re-writing the past. this is why I don't like R-enterprise. It is an alternet time line. Did they give what the fans wanted with the new movie? I would say no. The fans wanted to finish the five year mishion. not distroy the personality of a classical show. Even James Crawly the bigest neard in the world hates the new movie. And he had a cameo in it.
BondFreek 2 years ago
"Star Trek XI" wasn't even a good science fiction film!
JJ Abrams is a hack who has tried to turn "Star Trek" into "Star Wars!"
Actionguy1 2 years ago 4
Not that was the guy who designed that horrible Planet of the Titans Enrterprise, even though Star Wars hadn't even been maid at that time.
Hartzilla2007 2 years ago