The interviewer was incredibly stupid and promoted an idiotic viewpoint. The congressman was right to walk away from such a stupid line of questioning...
Why must we link taxes to some sort of social engineering in this country? Just get rid of the current system and have a Federal sales tax. It needn't be regressive towards lower income people if you make certain items that are necessary for life, such as food and basic clothing, exempt. For those Keynesian out there, you can link the rate to GDP. Should it fall, you can lower the rate and stimulate the economy, when it rises-so does the rate. End the madness of our current tax code!
The rich pay more far more taxes to fund infrastructure and defense than the poor. So, how is that justification for stealing from the rich AND everyone else?
Yikes. That answer from Rep. Moran is a socialist and collectivist response. The government creates nothing and can only steal from people in order to build these roads and provide education.
After all these years Mr. Helfeld, you're still getting people to walk away from your interviews. I've been following your work for years now. Great job!
stealing is stealing no matter WHO does it! its that simple either youy are FOR stealing or against it no grey area here. I for one am AGAINST stealing by government or anyone else.
Governments did not happen overnight. It was an incremental process. A volunteerist society will also not happen over night. It will also take a incremental process. A step in the right direction is a step in the right direction. Do you disagree with any of those points?
@dingusmungus Yes. Using government to end government is like murdering people to end murder. No matter what, one cannot try to change a system by joining that system. It doesn't work. If Ron Paul wins, yeah, government will shrink slightly, but everything is tipped against him. The entire system is designed for growth. Limited government is a myth.
So you oppose Ron Paul because it's either all or nothing? In other words you can't support anything, and everything would just need to stop for your ideological form of anarchism to start spontaneously. Good luck with that...
@dingusmungus False dichotomy. You can't end a massive, powerful, long lasting system just through paperwork. The philosophy must change. You cannot do that with legislation. Slavery would never be abolished in a place where nobody considers it morally wrong. FIRST the philosophy must change, THEN it can be applied to end evil. Currently the ideals of voluntaryism are not very popular, hence, nothing can be really solved this way.
I'm not looking to end all government. I only seek to reign it in to it's constitutional scope to allow for MORE liberty. There is a fundamental need for use of force against those who impose on others (eg. police, courts, national defense, ect). Furthermore you can indeed repeal/augment any part of our government through "paperwork"... Up to and including changing the constitution. Allowing for states right will encourage volunteerism by proving decentralization works.
My goal is to help to remove the concept of "one size fits all" "top down" government from US politics. Think of it this way... California could have universal health care, and Texas or New Hampshire could become a volunteerism mecha... We would have the liberty to do both under Ron Paul. I see reduction of the federal government as a bridge towards the possibility of volunteerism. If indeed volunteerism proved to be the best way to maintain a state, other states would adopt it.
It's funny when Moran says, "I don't know what ideological point you're trying to make" as he walks up and takes off the microphone. He knows EXACTLY what you mean.
All those that want fascism thumbs up this idiotic video... Social mobility in the US (you know that work hard and get the American dream bollocks) is THE WORST IN THE ADVANCED INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD! Wealth concentration increases mental illness, obesity, bullying in school, drug taking, loss of trust in neighbors, learned helplessness, increases selfishness, sexism, racism, homophobia, violent crime, decreases happiness, life expectancy, general health, in fact pick a social indicator and just
@StunnedByStupidity every one is NEGATIVELY affected by the greed at the top. It also affects economic growth rate (the diametric opposite of what is claimed), it concentrates political power and thus undermines democracy, it MASSIVELY increases market volatility, deceases justice, stop action on important things like clean air and water, tacking global warming (which will kill BILLIONS), preparing for peak oil, mass extinction, market regulation (we are heading
@StunnedByStupidity towards a MUCH bigger financial crash because of the power of the wealthy). The weath can ONLY be claimed to be theirs alone if they could have done it all by themselves on a desert island. If they MASSIVELY exploit workers (which is where all profits come from) and use collectivist things like roads, police, fire services, military, legal system etc then they MUST pay. Oh and a few more points paying people that dont do manual labour more leads to
@StateExempt Oh, and while you are at it lobby government to stop right wing think tanks and corporations from having ANY influence on democracy with their stupid 'free market' crap - but I'm sure this will be exempt from your childish protestations some how...
@StateExempt REALLY so who is INSANE enough to want them and where did they exist - unless you want to include Somalia - and you are more than welcome to test your INSANITY there - dont let the door hit your ignorant ass as you leave... They have no government - almost total laissez-faire - and its totally shit there...
@StateExempt So you want to go there because it was no better before 1991? BUY SOME BOOKS ON LOGIC. See this EMPIRICALY shows your ideology is BOLLOCKS yet STILL you are stuck in stupid... I bet there is something wrong with reality and not the way you are looking at it eh?
@StunnedByStupidity - I never claimed I wanted to go there - you are putting words in my mouth.
What I do claim is that by almost every known measure, Somalia is better off now that it would have been with a government when comparing it to the pre-1991 situation. Can you name anything about that region that was better thanks to Siad Barre?
And as for logic books, I suggest you read, "A Concise Introduction to Logic." Quite the classic in my opinion.
@StateExempt You want a system with no government where MAXIMUM freedom is allowed (and I mean TOTAL lawlessness and 'free' exchange) - that's Somalia... Sheez you ever picked up a book on logic?
And AGAIN with the dis-ingenuousness. So ON ALMOST EVERY LEVEL the Scandinavian HIGH TAX HIGHLY DEMOCRATIC system TRASHES the US therefore? But I bet a BILLION this logic wont now be accepted! The neoliberal transition since 1980 is WORSE in just about every sense! NOW, GO REREAD YOUR BOOK...
@StateExempt The western CAPITALIST class fucked it up. But your question is IRRELEVANT (and SUDDENLY your STUPID ARGUMENT wont cont - when I ask - was the US BETTER before free market neoliberalism? Hmmmmm) the point is that laissez-faire in Somalia has fucked up the country - AS IT ALWAYS DOES. And AGAIN if you want that system - then fuck off and go there...
And my question is perfectly relevant if you are claiming that government is capable of solving anything. It is a simply yes or no question: Was Somalia better off with a government?
@StateExempt And AGAIN you keep doing it. So is pre 1980 America BETTER than post 1980 America - FOR THE GENERAL POPULATION ECONOMICALLY? Your question is as stupid as YES OR NO are you going to stop being a cannibal... Now get your plane ticked and FUCK OFF...
@StateExempt Oh that's right, all that a right winger has to do is state its insane opinion and ALL of reality is changed - that truly is the mark of insanity...
@StateExempt Fascism IS DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSITE to liberal/socialism ideas! GET A CLUE HALF WIT - fascism THREATENS carried in on libertarian stupidity...
@StateExempt Look I know you are only a kid but let me explain REALITY to you. You live among HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of other people. Just because you want things a particular way DOES NOT mean everyone else does. So want the opposite - some want more extreme version AND SOME are LYING to you to leave you open to exploitation. REDISTRIBUTE wealth THEN start dismantling government MIGHT work. The poor wont be thrown to the dogs and the rich will not dominate and destroy DEMOCRACY -
@StunnedByStupidity see after a VERY low level of economic development NO increase in any of the social indicators occurs. Getting a house, a car, a job, a spouse, all makes you happier. But spending TWICE the amount on the house/car or getting someone more attractive does NOT double your happiness - and doubling that again brings in even less - its called 'the hedonioc treadmill' (look it up) YOU HAVE BEEN SOLD A LIE - money DOES NOT MAKE YOU HAPPY - above very modest levels - its about
@StunnedByStupidity community and relationships THE DIAMETRIC opposite of what the psychopath Ayn Rand preached - we have lived in 'collectivist' bands for all of human history (millions of years). The people who do NOT like this are PSYCHOPATHS - and the INSANE followers that BLINDLY believe what charismatic leaders tell them. So why am I saying this? Well because for a MINORITY of very wealthy people, the point of more money is NOT more happiness but POWER
@StunnedByStupidity Now in a DEMOCRACY, there is ALWAYS someone more powerful that the richest rich man. So he (because it is just about always a HE - in dictatorial settings) MUST destroy the power of democracy by JOINTLY getting his tentacles on government while JOINTLY propagandising to the gullible right wingers (for it is ALWAYS they that carry the fascist flag). So you propose destroying DEMOCRACY while STILL leaving MASSIVELY concentrated power and wealth? YOU ARE A FUCKING FOOL...
@StateExempt Ayn Rand is the darling of the libertarians - and is both antic omminity and a PSYCHOPATH - which the ENTIRE right wing free markets are modeled on...
@StateExempt Fucking hell - tell you what why not pretend I haven't torn your entire ideology to shreds and focus in on an almost insignificant element of what I have said? Ayn rand is the DARLING of libertarians. Ayn rand was VICIOUSLY against socialism. Ayn rand believed that the individual changed the world and that any efforts to force people to work collectively was evil. Ayn rand was anti tax and anti union. Therefore on ALL these points was AT LEAST ANTI DEMOCRATIC/COMMUNITY - sheez...
@StateExempt Yes dear I am experience in the APPALLING desperation of a right winger torn to shreds - what you are doing is the right wing proxy for a white flag - and I accept your acquiescence... Just try in future to be more gracious in defeat...
@StateExempt Look MORON I TORE that video to pieces you posted AND THE AUTHORITARIAN owner of the page BLOCKED ME. See its like getting a conservative/libertarian to admit they are racist. The left think they are racist (it goes with their right wing nature), the GOP think they are racist (see 'The Southern Strategy). The SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE shows they are racist (google 'The Authoritarains') yet ask them and the VICIOUSLY deny they are. Its the same with libertarians and right wingedness
@StunnedByStupidity - Judging by the current level of discourse you are providing I am sure they had some pretty good reasons for blocking you in the first place.
No evidence exists that Libertarians are more racist than others. Your source does not apply to me or anyone I know.
@StateExempt Again CLASSIC - 'right wing authoritarian' speak that.... Hmmmmm An I supply 4 DECADES of scientific research and the GOP STRATEGY to get you scum to support them and you dismiss it out of hand? So I HOW THE FUCK IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO REACH SOMEONE SO STUPID, PETTY, DESPERATE AND DIVORCED FROM REALITY AS YOU? You are almost certainly part of the 20% who are BLIND dedicated followers of authoritarian figures AND CANNOT BE REACHED... AS I PREDICTED!
@StateExempt The GOP are the PRIMARY leaders in the RIGHT WING LIBERTARIAN ideology - RIGHT NOW DOING THEIR UTMOST TO DISMANTLE GOVERNMENT FOR THE MAJORITY - FUCKING LOON!
So I offer SCIENCE and REALITY - yet I am out of touch - go look up 'projection' this kind of childish speak by you is TYPICAL right wing stupidity...
@StateExempt LOOK GYOU FUCKING LUNATIC - I dont have to show they are COMPLETELY your ABSTRACTLY defined PERFECT definition of libertaraiansim - I only have to show that they STRONGLY LEAN THAT WAY. More free markets/Libertarainism has led top MUCH WORSE results in just about EVERY WAY! YOU FUCKING RETARD!
@StateExempt I couldn't give a flying fuck about spelling - and I bet a BILLION my IQ trashes yours - your fucking child...
ABOLITION OF GLASS STEAGAL, the belief that the self interests of banks will make sure they dont take wild risks, the belief that tax decreases 'raise all boats', the belief that freeing up business will drive growth, the belief that allowing stagnating wages will encourage business to hire more - HAYEK IS THE FATHER OF NEOLIBERALISM - YOU FUCKING LOON!
@StunnedByStupidity - From the looks of your comments, I would say yours is below the 100 range.
Glass Steagal was meant to solve the problem of governments encouraging bad loans, Peter Schiff has pointed this out many times before. Can you explain why he failed to control inflation or bring back the gold standard?
And real consumption has risen over the past few decades in spite of government policy, so I do not see how stagnation is part of the picture.
@StateExempt Yeah AGAIN my IQ is below 100 BECAUSE YOU SAY SO - and judging by your record on what you say and its match to reality I think we can VERY safely say you are wrong...
Glass steal was to separate the interests of investers from the PSYCHOPATHIC speculation - and GEENSPAN WAS INSTRUMENTAL in dismantling it (along with a few others). Peter Schiff is clinically insane - basing his ENTIRE reputation on the prediction that the market would crash - BROOSLEY BORN GOT THERE WAY SOONER
@StunnedByStupidity - Now you realize the problems with your own logic. Good.
Please learn to spell "Glass-Steagall." It was implemented to patch up the FDIC's problem of encouraging bad loans and reckless speculation. Peter Schiff predicted the 2008 crisis while people like you were in denial that government could do anything to cause such a thing to occur. I trust him over you any day.
@StunnedByStupidity predicting CATASTROPHE even before the deregulation - but unlike Schiff and his narcissim she isn't a publicity whore that think they know EVERYTHING because of one fucking prediction!
And inflation HAS BEEN CONTROLLED - COMPLETELY NECESSARILY - YOU FUCKING LOON! And FUCK OFF about the gold standard - ON BALANCE the gold standard WOULD BE WORSE - GROW UP 5 YEAR OLD...
And WAGES HAVE STAGNATED and consumption for the middle and working class was only increased BY DEBT - MORON!
@StunnedByStupidity - I have video evidence that Schiff predicted the crisis before it happened:
watch?v=2I0QN-FYkpw
You have no evidence to show the same for your authority figure. Interest rates have been kept close to zero for some time now over the past several years. Until I see a gold standard, there is nothing about the current system that is relevant to my views.
Real wages for individuals have gone up by 50%, as I pointed out to you on the video on income mobility.
'The Warning - Brooksley Born (INTRO); on youtube. SHE UNLIKE SCHIFF (BTW notice GREENSPAN) ACTUALLY FOUGHT THE DEREGULATION - Schiff would have supported and GONE FURTHER - MORON. Watch the wholde documentary then do the world a favor and GO FUCK YOURSELF
And can I hear you say the COMMUNISM is GREAT because where it has been tried it aint proper communism - because some element was missing THEREFORE ITS THE BEST SYSTEM THERE IS... MORON
@StunnedByStupidity - Like margoliesmedia said, I hope you learn to be a productive and civil Youtuber but I do not have high expectations based on your past behavior.
@StunnedByStupidity right wing means you are allied with the ELITE over the interests of the middle and working class - and that is EXACTLY what laissez-faire is MORON - or to qote stupid video 'IDIOT'
@StunnedByStupidity - I am not allied with politicians, so I guess I am not part of that definition at all. And no, laissez-faire is allowing everyone to use their goods and services as they choose.
@StateExempt Look MORON. Up until around 1980 the country was MUCH better with MORE DEMOCRACY. To counter this people like the LIBERTARIAN Koch brothers, got the LIBERTARIAN Hayek (who got GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE IN THE US) - to come up with NEOLIBEARLISM. Then forced it down the throat of the world. Run by THE LIBERTARIAN Alan Greenspan - that has FUCKED UP EVERYTHING - yet you fucking LUNATICS think that the solution to the APPALLING MESS - is wait for it - MORE LIBERTARIANISM - FUCKING LOON!
@StunnedByStupidity - Define democracy and explain why it is better than markets. And no, Neoliberalism cannot be traced to any one person - especially not successful businessmen like the Kochs but perhaps intellectuals like Hayek are the exception.
Greenspan was not a Libertarian, he did not implement a gold standard or do anything consistent with true market principles.
@StateExempt Democracy is the will of the people. It is different from markets because instead of one person one vote it is one DOLLAR one vote and the rich can then create OLIGARCHY! UNDERSTAND? I cant buy a product to increase taxes on the wealthy. To fight global warming - to decrease consumption to stop wars to help the homeless - starving kids, the old and weak - HOW FUCKING OLD ARE YOU YOU FUCKING RETARD... The Koch INHERITED and RIG the market - sheez - you are like 5 years old...
@StunnedByStupidity And Greenspan WAS a libertarian -= sheez you people ar INSANE. I take it the CEI, Cato, Heitage etcx aren't libertarain think tanks either? GET HELP...
@StunnedByStupidity - Greenspan was a Libertarian BEFORE he became Fed chairman. It was all downhill from there when he refused to reinstate the gold standard and did little to restrain rampant inflation.
Those think tanks are Libertarian though - no doubt about it. I have great respect for the work they do in advancing greater freedom for all.
@StateExempt Greenspan was libertarin both before and after - he was the TYPICAL libertarain hypocrite throwing part of his ideology down the toilet the MINUTE there was an advantage to it - BUT HE STILL PLAYED FREE MARKET MAN - IDIOT!
So the Koch LIBERTARIAN think tanks CORRUPTED GOVERNMENT - which you hate apparently and help trash the global economy WHILE DENYING REALITY and you have 'respect' for them? YOU ARE ONE SICK LITTLE FUCKER...
@StateExempt And the ONLY thing that defines a libertarian is their love of the gold standard? GET FUCKING HELP... And MONETARISM is a central fucking plank of neoliberalism - you pig ignorant fucking lunatic - and it has INCREASED MARKET VOLATILITY - THE DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE OF THE FUCKING CLAIM - WHILE DECREASING FUCKING GROWTH... And AGAIN with the fucking hypocracy so NOW you want to abandon free markets by interfering to curtail inflation? GET HELP...
@StunnedByStupidity - If you are going to claim Alan Greenspan implemented Libertarian policies, I would expect you to provide evidence he actually was consistent in doing so.
No I am not a monetarist, so I guess your appeal to what you claim Greenspan did is irrelevant here. How is sound money abandoning market principles?
@StateExempt GO FUCK YOUR HYPOCRITICAL SELF - your dis-ingenuousness has now tested by patience... YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING - and apparently its MY fault - these taking responsibility for yourself eh>?
@StunnedByStupidity - How do the rich acquire their wealth in a free market? And by your definition of democracy you would be perfectly contempt with people imposing whatever they so desired upon a given minority just because you outnumber them. Might makes right in your worldview.
When did the Kochs "rig" the market in their favor? I will admit they are excellent leaders of their company. Market-based management is something I want to look into further.
@StateExempt The rich aquire their wealth by MASSIVELY exploitating their work force - rigging markets - war and being born to it IN A FREE MARKET! (BTW FREE MARKETS NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL EXIST BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO THEY NOT WORK BUT NO ONE WANTS THEM!). And the rule of the few DICTATE to the masses is BETTER than rule of the many? Boy get your ass to Somalia IMMEDIATELY...
Go to may page and click 'Koch scum' and take your pick... And kissing billionaire ass? Boy your self hatred is PATHETIC
@StunnedByStupidity - No, they do it by providing a job that makes a person better off than they otherwise would have been, and from there they provide goods and services that consumers want. Did Google hold a gun to your head and force you to use Youtube?
How was Somalia better with the government in place you claim would have made the area better? And look up the vids by MinnesotaChris.
@StateExempt You talk like a 5 year old - their PROFITS is the difference between what a worker produces in value v's what they pay them - this is VERY basic stuff - by some estimations 50% of what a worker makes in value is STOLEN by the business they work in! Sheez you are out of your fucking tree...THE POOR MAKE THE JOBS not the fucking rich - LUNATIC... And if you can show me where I can use a government run social network I'll take it - I take it you will stop using ROADS? HYPOCRITE...
@StunnedByStupidity - Who provided the jobs, the resources, and the goods the workers use to be employed in the first place? If you think big businesses are wasteful then feel free to start a leaderless organization. How do the poor (aside from self-employed contractors) make the jobs?
I will go to prison if I do not pay for roads. On the other hand, you leaving Youtube will make you and I much better off.
@StateExempt Look you are being fucking pathetic. If I was born to $1Billion and even if I was a stupid, ignorant and pathetic as you ALL I HAVE TO DO IS PAY OTHERS TO RUN MY BUSINESSES! Then if I get government to stand back and bust unions, cut my taxes and pay for wars in other countries I can make out like a fucking bandit! And just for the fucking record let me hear you claim we don't live on a finite fucking planet - and the wealth gained is INDEED ZERO SUM...
@StateExempt WTF? No the Koch SUDDENLY thought that THEY should dodge their moral responsibility and wangle it for him to get it - BTW AGAIN this is JAW DROPPINGLY HYPOCRITICAL (your COMPARTMENTALIZATION (look it up) - is JAW DROPPING). the argument is NOT that people should get what they pay into (which the left believes) but AS RIGHT WING LIBERTARIANS BELIEVE they should have NO CHOICE in the matter i.e. PRIVATE organisations should do it! And I'm happy to have you tube nationalized...
@StunnedByStupidity - Dodge what moral responsibility? And how does allowing people to choose from a variety of market providers for any good or service lead to less discretion than government services?
@StateExempt Look if you are asking a terminally sick person over to make up a system that TRASHES the middle and working class - then expect the majority to pay for his care - there is no moral responsibility to at least cover his medical bills instead of burdening the majority? LOOK UP COMPARTMENTALIZATION - lunatic... And NATIONALIZING the heath care system is WAY WAY WAY BETTER than you ILLUIONARY CHOICE - you fucking 5 year old lunatic...
@StunnedByStupidity - The middle class are better under free markets in which they may choose who to work for and who to buy from. Why would government have more of an incentive to provide better services to people if government imprisons people who refuse to pay and bans all competitors from providing the same thing?
@StateExempt This has to be THE most stupid thing you have now said - the middle class WAS CREATED and SUSTAINED by GOVERNMENT YOU FUCKING LUNATIC - look you pig ignorant fucking lunatic - go look up the difference between rationalism and empiricism - you are a fucking disgrace./.. If I REALLY REALLY REALLY want and believe the world to be flat it makes NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE WHAT SO EVER TO REALITY - you right wing fucking lunatic... And imprisonment was INCREASED BECAUSE OF BUSINESS - sheez...
@StunnedByStupidity - The middle class - if anything - was hampered by government. Perhaps you should start taking your own advice on empiricism. And how does letting people choose between multiple providers of a good or service lead to imprisonment - which is inherently an act of government?
@StateExempt Look Go look up 'the great compression' - you FUCKING RETARD - here is Krugman explaining it:
'Paul Krugman - Income Inequality and the Middle Class' on youtube
And you EMPIRICAL evidence is? Oh thats right you just have to say something God checks and changes reality to fit - MORON... The prison system has been privatized and then they lobby government to increase sentences - FUCKING RETARD...
@StunnedByStupidity - As I pointed out to you on the video, "Are the Poor Getting Poorer?" you cannot rely on household data as Krugman does because it fails to take into account that there are fewer working individuals living in each household.
@StateExempt Households are GETTING BIGGER. There is NOTHING wrong with using household data and WAGES tell the same story - YOU ARE FUCKING PATHETIC...
"The 1969 to 1996 stagnation in median household income may, in fact, be largely a reflection of changes in the size and composition of households rather than a reflection of a stagnating economy."
@StunnedByStupidity - No, you are blowing up because that is the nature of deep progressives such as yourself. Pretending to allow other views to be heard and then shocked to discover that other views even exist.
@StunnedByStupidity - I will be awaiting something new to support your claims that you did not bring up in our debate a few weeks back. Maybe tomorrow will be a major exception to the rule but I will not hold my breath.
@StunnedByStupidity I can't really tell what either of you are arguing and I probably won't take the time to figure it out. But, you're constant aggressive insulting makes it seem that you are losing. I just hope you are not arguing for something I would argue for, because you are turning people away from whatever argument you are making.
@StunnedByStupidity - I do not deny that there are plenty of children with more sense than you, but this does not apply to everyone at or above your level of cognitive ability.
@StunnedByStupidity - The only person here who has some growing up to do is you. Aside from comments laced with mindless rants and trying to bring up things that are not even relevant to anything I have argued, you have yet to produce anything of substance.
@StateExempt YOU ARE PATHETIC... See AGAIN the right wing territory either directly use ad hominems (as here0 or ERRONEOUSLY claim I'm using ad hominems - you really are pathetic... Yes dear we get it you are DESPERATELY hanging onto NOTHING to TRY to win a lost argument - GET HELP...
You could be saying the same exact thing if the government owned all the nation's banks or oil: "I am thankful for those which help me work." If the government owned all the factories too.
These things would exist without government intervention as well.
"The American Dream is NOT a handout. The Dems should learn this. We have a problem when the top 10% pay 70% of the revenue generated and 51% of Americans pay no federal taxes!"
Agreed it is unfair and needs to be fixed. But also remember janhelfeld that this guy does have a point. Tax's go to the government commodities such as transportation, security, and the commonwelfare. While I am a capitalist by blood :) I am thankful for the necessities provided to enable me to make money.
@janhelfeld Also, if I was in his shoes and just answered the same freaking question, i would have walked out too. The interviewer needs to come up with different questions. Like perhaps addressing the top 10% issue.
@bigbirdscuttles24 You said: "Tax's go to the government commodities such as transportation, security, and the commonwelfare...I am thankful for the necessities provided to enable me to make money."
So we should break into people's houses, steal their property, and throw them into jail to save you a bit of comfort? Simply because the government provides the services doesn't mean they won't exist in a voluntary society. Are free people inherently stupid and deny the benefits of roads and schools?
I love liberty as much as anyone and apparently a lot more
The problem with 51% of Americans paying no federal taxes is that it isn't 61% of Americans paying no federal taxes. We have a problem when the top 10% pays only 70% of the revenue generated when they should be paying 100%. Do we want more people to be free from this extortion or less people? I think freeing 90% of the country from it is an improvement because I love freedom, not high earners with a bad case of tax envy.
Silly little rich people. lol They just don't want to pay their taxes like everyone else, lol!! They are just so special! We should never force rich people to pay taxes. Oh, ofcourse not. Only the poor should pay taxes, lol.
Most liberal congressman are total hypocrites because they are part of the so-called "rich" and they give themselves special rules or "forget" to pay their taxes.
Dont worry Moron if you think that the vet held you accountable for you being doing a meeting to not have to wait for the 11th hr solution and saying the troops wont be paid is coming again soon .
Congressman Moran is making several business ASSumptions that may not be true. This is typical of many of our government officials. They know it all, but when logic and clear thinking enter into the picture, their arrogance will usually cause them to act irrationally. Congressman Moran, maybe you should change your name to Moron.
Obama and team are just a bunch of professors who never had to make a payroll. They are totally clueless as to how business works. I am beginning to think not one of them passed basic math and for sure they did not take economics 101 class. They may be able to debate law and find cases to break constitutional law but are illiterate on every other subject.
The interviewer was incredibly stupid and promoted an idiotic viewpoint. The congressman was right to walk away from such a stupid line of questioning...
AlasdhairMM 1 day ago
Help support Independent Jason Howell running for congress in 2012.
outnabout1000 1 week ago
Why must we link taxes to some sort of social engineering in this country? Just get rid of the current system and have a Federal sales tax. It needn't be regressive towards lower income people if you make certain items that are necessary for life, such as food and basic clothing, exempt. For those Keynesian out there, you can link the rate to GDP. Should it fall, you can lower the rate and stimulate the economy, when it rises-so does the rate. End the madness of our current tax code!
MrDavkoz 3 weeks ago
The rich pay more far more taxes to fund infrastructure and defense than the poor. So, how is that justification for stealing from the rich AND everyone else?
t4509228 3 weeks ago
Democrat Nazis like Moran love to restribute wealth...as long as it's not theirs.
StoogeWatcher 3 weeks ago
Nice to see you back Jan!!
gneissday 3 weeks ago
Yikes. That answer from Rep. Moran is a socialist and collectivist response. The government creates nothing and can only steal from people in order to build these roads and provide education.
After all these years Mr. Helfeld, you're still getting people to walk away from your interviews. I've been following your work for years now. Great job!
moonraven3 1 month ago 5
stealing is stealing no matter WHO does it! its that simple either youy are FOR stealing or against it no grey area here. I for one am AGAINST stealing by government or anyone else.
Ron Paul 2012
TheOk1jwc 1 month ago 5
@TheOk1jwc Ron Paul is still stealing. LESS stealing is not NOT stealing.
masonkiller666 1 month ago
@masonkiller666
Governments did not happen overnight. It was an incremental process. A volunteerist society will also not happen over night. It will also take a incremental process. A step in the right direction is a step in the right direction. Do you disagree with any of those points?
dingusmungus 1 week ago
@dingusmungus Yes. Using government to end government is like murdering people to end murder. No matter what, one cannot try to change a system by joining that system. It doesn't work. If Ron Paul wins, yeah, government will shrink slightly, but everything is tipped against him. The entire system is designed for growth. Limited government is a myth.
masonkiller666 4 days ago
@masonkiller666
So you oppose Ron Paul because it's either all or nothing? In other words you can't support anything, and everything would just need to stop for your ideological form of anarchism to start spontaneously. Good luck with that...
dingusmungus 4 days ago
@dingusmungus False dichotomy. You can't end a massive, powerful, long lasting system just through paperwork. The philosophy must change. You cannot do that with legislation. Slavery would never be abolished in a place where nobody considers it morally wrong. FIRST the philosophy must change, THEN it can be applied to end evil. Currently the ideals of voluntaryism are not very popular, hence, nothing can be really solved this way.
masonkiller666 4 days ago
@masonkiller666
I'm not looking to end all government. I only seek to reign it in to it's constitutional scope to allow for MORE liberty. There is a fundamental need for use of force against those who impose on others (eg. police, courts, national defense, ect). Furthermore you can indeed repeal/augment any part of our government through "paperwork"... Up to and including changing the constitution. Allowing for states right will encourage volunteerism by proving decentralization works.
dingusmungus 3 days ago
@masonkiller666
My goal is to help to remove the concept of "one size fits all" "top down" government from US politics. Think of it this way... California could have universal health care, and Texas or New Hampshire could become a volunteerism mecha... We would have the liberty to do both under Ron Paul. I see reduction of the federal government as a bridge towards the possibility of volunteerism. If indeed volunteerism proved to be the best way to maintain a state, other states would adopt it.
dingusmungus 3 days ago
Haha!
It's funny when Moran says, "I don't know what ideological point you're trying to make" as he walks up and takes off the microphone. He knows EXACTLY what you mean.
Haha. Good job!
egervari 2 months ago
Nice guy... at least till pressed (like most).
But too illogical and dumb to be politician.
A common problem.
Keyguya 4 months ago
All those that want fascism thumbs up this idiotic video... Social mobility in the US (you know that work hard and get the American dream bollocks) is THE WORST IN THE ADVANCED INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD! Wealth concentration increases mental illness, obesity, bullying in school, drug taking, loss of trust in neighbors, learned helplessness, increases selfishness, sexism, racism, homophobia, violent crime, decreases happiness, life expectancy, general health, in fact pick a social indicator and just
StunnedByStupidity 4 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity every one is NEGATIVELY affected by the greed at the top. It also affects economic growth rate (the diametric opposite of what is claimed), it concentrates political power and thus undermines democracy, it MASSIVELY increases market volatility, deceases justice, stop action on important things like clean air and water, tacking global warming (which will kill BILLIONS), preparing for peak oil, mass extinction, market regulation (we are heading
StunnedByStupidity 4 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity towards a MUCH bigger financial crash because of the power of the wealthy). The weath can ONLY be claimed to be theirs alone if they could have done it all by themselves on a desert island. If they MASSIVELY exploit workers (which is where all profits come from) and use collectivist things like roads, police, fire services, military, legal system etc then they MUST pay. Oh and a few more points paying people that dont do manual labour more leads to
StunnedByStupidity 4 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity WORSE productivity:
'RSA Animate - Drive: The surprising truth about what motivates us' on you tube
And 92% od ALL americans belive that hard work sould be rewarded, greed should be PUNISHED and no one should starve:
'Thom Hartmann: 92% of Americans are SOCIALISTS!' on you tube
The greed of the wealthy over the last 30 years is OFF PLANET GREEDY:
'Shocking Fact About Rich Americans' on you tube
And THAT IDIOT RIGHT WING FUCK THINKS THEY AINT GOT ENOUGH - wake up people...
StunnedByStupidity 4 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Please, stop spamming Youtube videos.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt No problem tell right wing SCUM to stop lying in their videos - there -everyone's a winner...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
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@StunnedByStupidity - Then do it yourself on a right-winger's videos if they bother you so much.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Oh, and while you are at it lobby government to stop right wing think tanks and corporations from having ANY influence on democracy with their stupid 'free market' crap - but I'm sure this will be exempt from your childish protestations some how...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - I support giving people the right to exchange goods as they wish, hence I am not against a free market.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt YOUR A GULLIBLE SELF HATING FOOL...THERE NEVER HAS BEEN NOR NEVER WILL BE A 'FREE MARKET; SHEEZ
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Well, you are half right.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt REALLY so who is INSANE enough to want them and where did they exist - unless you want to include Somalia - and you are more than welcome to test your INSANITY there - dont let the door hit your ignorant ass as you leave... They have no government - almost total laissez-faire - and its totally shit there...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Would you like to explain how the situation there was any better before 1991?
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt So you want to go there because it was no better before 1991? BUY SOME BOOKS ON LOGIC. See this EMPIRICALY shows your ideology is BOLLOCKS yet STILL you are stuck in stupid... I bet there is something wrong with reality and not the way you are looking at it eh?
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - I never claimed I wanted to go there - you are putting words in my mouth.
What I do claim is that by almost every known measure, Somalia is better off now that it would have been with a government when comparing it to the pre-1991 situation. Can you name anything about that region that was better thanks to Siad Barre?
And as for logic books, I suggest you read, "A Concise Introduction to Logic." Quite the classic in my opinion.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt You want a system with no government where MAXIMUM freedom is allowed (and I mean TOTAL lawlessness and 'free' exchange) - that's Somalia... Sheez you ever picked up a book on logic?
And AGAIN with the dis-ingenuousness. So ON ALMOST EVERY LEVEL the Scandinavian HIGH TAX HIGHLY DEMOCRATIC system TRASHES the US therefore? But I bet a BILLION this logic wont now be accepted! The neoliberal transition since 1980 is WORSE in just about every sense! NOW, GO REREAD YOUR BOOK...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Was Somalia better off with a government - give me a yes or no answer.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt The western CAPITALIST class fucked it up. But your question is IRRELEVANT (and SUDDENLY your STUPID ARGUMENT wont cont - when I ask - was the US BETTER before free market neoliberalism? Hmmmmm) the point is that laissez-faire in Somalia has fucked up the country - AS IT ALWAYS DOES. And AGAIN if you want that system - then fuck off and go there...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Screwed what up and how?
And my question is perfectly relevant if you are claiming that government is capable of solving anything. It is a simply yes or no question: Was Somalia better off with a government?
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt And AGAIN you keep doing it. So is pre 1980 America BETTER than post 1980 America - FOR THE GENERAL POPULATION ECONOMICALLY? Your question is as stupid as YES OR NO are you going to stop being a cannibal... Now get your plane ticked and FUCK OFF...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Again, it is a simple yes or no question, now stop dodging.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Yes it is so you answer to my question is what?
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Source?
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt TOMATO
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - BTW, our last debate in which you pretty much imploded on yourself led to the best collection of screen caps imaginable. ;-D
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Great so my facts are rendered null because of my use of caps in anger at right wing stupidity? SEEK HELP...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - "my facts"
There are none to speak of.
"right wing stupidity"
There is none to speak of.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Oh that's right, all that a right winger has to do is state its insane opinion and ALL of reality is changed - that truly is the mark of insanity...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - There are no right-wingers here to speak of.
watch?v=C9B7-fzijMs
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Wow how clever of you... So if I SHOUT 'the world is flat - IDIOT' therefore it's flat? You really are clinically insane...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - That would sum up your logic so far but I doubt you will find many people in agreement with you on it's merits.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Actually anyone who supports fascism would be sympathetic to the views Moran did so poorly defending.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Fascism IS DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSITE to liberal/socialism ideas! GET A CLUE HALF WIT - fascism THREATENS carried in on libertarian stupidity...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - They both support a government much larger than the one we have now. Either one is a polar opposite to Libertarianism.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Look I know you are only a kid but let me explain REALITY to you. You live among HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of other people. Just because you want things a particular way DOES NOT mean everyone else does. So want the opposite - some want more extreme version AND SOME are LYING to you to leave you open to exploitation. REDISTRIBUTE wealth THEN start dismantling government MIGHT work. The poor wont be thrown to the dogs and the rich will not dominate and destroy DEMOCRACY -
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity see after a VERY low level of economic development NO increase in any of the social indicators occurs. Getting a house, a car, a job, a spouse, all makes you happier. But spending TWICE the amount on the house/car or getting someone more attractive does NOT double your happiness - and doubling that again brings in even less - its called 'the hedonioc treadmill' (look it up) YOU HAVE BEEN SOLD A LIE - money DOES NOT MAKE YOU HAPPY - above very modest levels - its about
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity community and relationships THE DIAMETRIC opposite of what the psychopath Ayn Rand preached - we have lived in 'collectivist' bands for all of human history (millions of years). The people who do NOT like this are PSYCHOPATHS - and the INSANE followers that BLINDLY believe what charismatic leaders tell them. So why am I saying this? Well because for a MINORITY of very wealthy people, the point of more money is NOT more happiness but POWER
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity Now in a DEMOCRACY, there is ALWAYS someone more powerful that the richest rich man. So he (because it is just about always a HE - in dictatorial settings) MUST destroy the power of democracy by JOINTLY getting his tentacles on government while JOINTLY propagandising to the gullible right wingers (for it is ALWAYS they that carry the fascist flag). So you propose destroying DEMOCRACY while STILL leaving MASSIVELY concentrated power and wealth? YOU ARE A FUCKING FOOL...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Could your comments be any more vague?
StateExempt 3 months ago
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@StateExempt Could you be any more stupid?
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - What does Ayn Rand have to do with this and when did she speak out against communities?
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Ayn Rand is the darling of the libertarians - and is both antic omminity and a PSYCHOPATH - which the ENTIRE right wing free markets are modeled on...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Have I brought up Ayn Rand here? And can you please tell me specifically where she spoke out against communities?
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Fucking hell - tell you what why not pretend I haven't torn your entire ideology to shreds and focus in on an almost insignificant element of what I have said? Ayn rand is the DARLING of libertarians. Ayn rand was VICIOUSLY against socialism. Ayn rand believed that the individual changed the world and that any efforts to force people to work collectively was evil. Ayn rand was anti tax and anti union. Therefore on ALL these points was AT LEAST ANTI DEMOCRATIC/COMMUNITY - sheez...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Do I really need to pretend? Answer the following questions:
-Did I ever bring up Ayn Rand for any point I have tried to make prior to you harping on how evil you think she is?
- Was Somalia better with a government?
- When did Rand specifically say she was against communities? A community is nothing more than a collection of individuals, am I right?
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt MORON
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - This is not the time for your own personal self reflections.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Yes dear I am experience in the APPALLING desperation of a right winger torn to shreds - what you are doing is the right wing proxy for a white flag - and I accept your acquiescence... Just try in future to be more gracious in defeat...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Again, what right-winger are you talking about here? I have yet to see a conservative join the discussion on this vid anywhere.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Look MORON I TORE that video to pieces you posted AND THE AUTHORITARIAN owner of the page BLOCKED ME. See its like getting a conservative/libertarian to admit they are racist. The left think they are racist (it goes with their right wing nature), the GOP think they are racist (see 'The Southern Strategy). The SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE shows they are racist (google 'The Authoritarains') yet ask them and the VICIOUSLY deny they are. Its the same with libertarians and right wingedness
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Judging by the current level of discourse you are providing I am sure they had some pretty good reasons for blocking you in the first place.
No evidence exists that Libertarians are more racist than others. Your source does not apply to me or anyone I know.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Again CLASSIC - 'right wing authoritarian' speak that.... Hmmmmm An I supply 4 DECADES of scientific research and the GOP STRATEGY to get you scum to support them and you dismiss it out of hand? So I HOW THE FUCK IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO REACH SOMEONE SO STUPID, PETTY, DESPERATE AND DIVORCED FROM REALITY AS YOU? You are almost certainly part of the 20% who are BLIND dedicated followers of authoritarian figures AND CANNOT BE REACHED... AS I PREDICTED!
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - What does the GOP have to do with someone such as myself who rejects politics altogether?
As for reaching someone who is out of touch, I should be asking you the same thing.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt The GOP are the PRIMARY leaders in the RIGHT WING LIBERTARIAN ideology - RIGHT NOW DOING THEIR UTMOST TO DISMANTLE GOVERNMENT FOR THE MAJORITY - FUCKING LOON!
So I offer SCIENCE and REALITY - yet I am out of touch - go look up 'projection' this kind of childish speak by you is TYPICAL right wing stupidity...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - GOP is not Libertarian, their respect for social freedom is minimal and their foreign policy is terrible.
Where on earth have you offered science and reality in our discussion? And how am I right-wing?
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt LOOK GYOU FUCKING LUNATIC - I dont have to show they are COMPLETELY your ABSTRACTLY defined PERFECT definition of libertaraiansim - I only have to show that they STRONGLY LEAN THAT WAY. More free markets/Libertarainism has led top MUCH WORSE results in just about EVERY WAY! YOU FUCKING RETARD!
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - At least learn how to spell it.
Name a Libertarian policy that Greenspan put forth. And when have pure markets led to worse results than government in handling a good or service?
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt I couldn't give a flying fuck about spelling - and I bet a BILLION my IQ trashes yours - your fucking child...
ABOLITION OF GLASS STEAGAL, the belief that the self interests of banks will make sure they dont take wild risks, the belief that tax decreases 'raise all boats', the belief that freeing up business will drive growth, the belief that allowing stagnating wages will encourage business to hire more - HAYEK IS THE FATHER OF NEOLIBERALISM - YOU FUCKING LOON!
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - From the looks of your comments, I would say yours is below the 100 range.
Glass Steagal was meant to solve the problem of governments encouraging bad loans, Peter Schiff has pointed this out many times before. Can you explain why he failed to control inflation or bring back the gold standard?
And real consumption has risen over the past few decades in spite of government policy, so I do not see how stagnation is part of the picture.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Yeah AGAIN my IQ is below 100 BECAUSE YOU SAY SO - and judging by your record on what you say and its match to reality I think we can VERY safely say you are wrong...
Glass steal was to separate the interests of investers from the PSYCHOPATHIC speculation - and GEENSPAN WAS INSTRUMENTAL in dismantling it (along with a few others). Peter Schiff is clinically insane - basing his ENTIRE reputation on the prediction that the market would crash - BROOSLEY BORN GOT THERE WAY SOONER
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Now you realize the problems with your own logic. Good.
Please learn to spell "Glass-Steagall." It was implemented to patch up the FDIC's problem of encouraging bad loans and reckless speculation. Peter Schiff predicted the 2008 crisis while people like you were in denial that government could do anything to cause such a thing to occur. I trust him over you any day.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt And AGAIN with the TOTAL dis-ingenuousness - look carry on and I will get as pathetic as you...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity predicting CATASTROPHE even before the deregulation - but unlike Schiff and his narcissim she isn't a publicity whore that think they know EVERYTHING because of one fucking prediction!
And inflation HAS BEEN CONTROLLED - COMPLETELY NECESSARILY - YOU FUCKING LOON! And FUCK OFF about the gold standard - ON BALANCE the gold standard WOULD BE WORSE - GROW UP 5 YEAR OLD...
And WAGES HAVE STAGNATED and consumption for the middle and working class was only increased BY DEBT - MORON!
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - I have video evidence that Schiff predicted the crisis before it happened:
watch?v=2I0QN-FYkpw
You have no evidence to show the same for your authority figure. Interest rates have been kept close to zero for some time now over the past several years. Until I see a gold standard, there is nothing about the current system that is relevant to my views.
Real wages for individuals have gone up by 50%, as I pointed out to you on the video on income mobility.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt GO FUCK YOURSELF MORON:
'The Warning - Brooksley Born (INTRO); on youtube. SHE UNLIKE SCHIFF (BTW notice GREENSPAN) ACTUALLY FOUGHT THE DEREGULATION - Schiff would have supported and GONE FURTHER - MORON. Watch the wholde documentary then do the world a favor and GO FUCK YOURSELF
And can I hear you say the COMMUNISM is GREAT because where it has been tried it aint proper communism - because some element was missing THEREFORE ITS THE BEST SYSTEM THERE IS... MORON
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Huh?
StateExempt 2 months ago
@StateExempt It would be nice if you get your head from your ass and you fucked off back to your planet - thanks...
StunnedByStupidity 2 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Like margoliesmedia said, I hope you learn to be a productive and civil Youtuber but I do not have high expectations based on your past behavior.
StateExempt 2 months ago
@StateExempt Renew your library ticket and save up enough money to visit earth sometime you protofascist.
StunnedByStupidity 2 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - At least your current comments have some entertainment value.
StateExempt 2 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity right wing means you are allied with the ELITE over the interests of the middle and working class - and that is EXACTLY what laissez-faire is MORON - or to qote stupid video 'IDIOT'
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - I am not allied with politicians, so I guess I am not part of that definition at all. And no, laissez-faire is allowing everyone to use their goods and services as they choose.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Look MORON. Up until around 1980 the country was MUCH better with MORE DEMOCRACY. To counter this people like the LIBERTARIAN Koch brothers, got the LIBERTARIAN Hayek (who got GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE IN THE US) - to come up with NEOLIBEARLISM. Then forced it down the throat of the world. Run by THE LIBERTARIAN Alan Greenspan - that has FUCKED UP EVERYTHING - yet you fucking LUNATICS think that the solution to the APPALLING MESS - is wait for it - MORE LIBERTARIANISM - FUCKING LOON!
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Define democracy and explain why it is better than markets. And no, Neoliberalism cannot be traced to any one person - especially not successful businessmen like the Kochs but perhaps intellectuals like Hayek are the exception.
Greenspan was not a Libertarian, he did not implement a gold standard or do anything consistent with true market principles.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Democracy is the will of the people. It is different from markets because instead of one person one vote it is one DOLLAR one vote and the rich can then create OLIGARCHY! UNDERSTAND? I cant buy a product to increase taxes on the wealthy. To fight global warming - to decrease consumption to stop wars to help the homeless - starving kids, the old and weak - HOW FUCKING OLD ARE YOU YOU FUCKING RETARD... The Koch INHERITED and RIG the market - sheez - you are like 5 years old...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity And Greenspan WAS a libertarian -= sheez you people ar INSANE. I take it the CEI, Cato, Heitage etcx aren't libertarain think tanks either? GET HELP...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Greenspan was a Libertarian BEFORE he became Fed chairman. It was all downhill from there when he refused to reinstate the gold standard and did little to restrain rampant inflation.
Those think tanks are Libertarian though - no doubt about it. I have great respect for the work they do in advancing greater freedom for all.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Greenspan was libertarin both before and after - he was the TYPICAL libertarain hypocrite throwing part of his ideology down the toilet the MINUTE there was an advantage to it - BUT HE STILL PLAYED FREE MARKET MAN - IDIOT!
So the Koch LIBERTARIAN think tanks CORRUPTED GOVERNMENT - which you hate apparently and help trash the global economy WHILE DENYING REALITY and you have 'respect' for them? YOU ARE ONE SICK LITTLE FUCKER...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - He did not reinstate the gold standard or limit inflation, so he abandoned his Libertarian views.
How did any Libertarian think tank corrupt government?
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt And the ONLY thing that defines a libertarian is their love of the gold standard? GET FUCKING HELP... And MONETARISM is a central fucking plank of neoliberalism - you pig ignorant fucking lunatic - and it has INCREASED MARKET VOLATILITY - THE DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE OF THE FUCKING CLAIM - WHILE DECREASING FUCKING GROWTH... And AGAIN with the fucking hypocracy so NOW you want to abandon free markets by interfering to curtail inflation? GET HELP...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - If you are going to claim Alan Greenspan implemented Libertarian policies, I would expect you to provide evidence he actually was consistent in doing so.
No I am not a monetarist, so I guess your appeal to what you claim Greenspan did is irrelevant here. How is sound money abandoning market principles?
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt GO FUCK YOUR HYPOCRITICAL SELF - your dis-ingenuousness has now tested by patience... YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING - and apparently its MY fault - these taking responsibility for yourself eh>?
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - How do the rich acquire their wealth in a free market? And by your definition of democracy you would be perfectly contempt with people imposing whatever they so desired upon a given minority just because you outnumber them. Might makes right in your worldview.
When did the Kochs "rig" the market in their favor? I will admit they are excellent leaders of their company. Market-based management is something I want to look into further.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt The rich aquire their wealth by MASSIVELY exploitating their work force - rigging markets - war and being born to it IN A FREE MARKET! (BTW FREE MARKETS NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL EXIST BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO THEY NOT WORK BUT NO ONE WANTS THEM!). And the rule of the few DICTATE to the masses is BETTER than rule of the many? Boy get your ass to Somalia IMMEDIATELY...
Go to may page and click 'Koch scum' and take your pick... And kissing billionaire ass? Boy your self hatred is PATHETIC
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - No, they do it by providing a job that makes a person better off than they otherwise would have been, and from there they provide goods and services that consumers want. Did Google hold a gun to your head and force you to use Youtube?
How was Somalia better with the government in place you claim would have made the area better? And look up the vids by MinnesotaChris.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt You talk like a 5 year old - their PROFITS is the difference between what a worker produces in value v's what they pay them - this is VERY basic stuff - by some estimations 50% of what a worker makes in value is STOLEN by the business they work in! Sheez you are out of your fucking tree...THE POOR MAKE THE JOBS not the fucking rich - LUNATIC... And if you can show me where I can use a government run social network I'll take it - I take it you will stop using ROADS? HYPOCRITE...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Who provided the jobs, the resources, and the goods the workers use to be employed in the first place? If you think big businesses are wasteful then feel free to start a leaderless organization. How do the poor (aside from self-employed contractors) make the jobs?
I will go to prison if I do not pay for roads. On the other hand, you leaving Youtube will make you and I much better off.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Look you are being fucking pathetic. If I was born to $1Billion and even if I was a stupid, ignorant and pathetic as you ALL I HAVE TO DO IS PAY OTHERS TO RUN MY BUSINESSES! Then if I get government to stand back and bust unions, cut my taxes and pay for wars in other countries I can make out like a fucking bandit! And just for the fucking record let me hear you claim we don't live on a finite fucking planet - and the wealth gained is INDEED ZERO SUM...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Did Hayek pay taxes for the mediocre care? And if you are against business why are you using Youtube in the first place?
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt WTF? No the Koch SUDDENLY thought that THEY should dodge their moral responsibility and wangle it for him to get it - BTW AGAIN this is JAW DROPPINGLY HYPOCRITICAL (your COMPARTMENTALIZATION (look it up) - is JAW DROPPING). the argument is NOT that people should get what they pay into (which the left believes) but AS RIGHT WING LIBERTARIANS BELIEVE they should have NO CHOICE in the matter i.e. PRIVATE organisations should do it! And I'm happy to have you tube nationalized...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Dodge what moral responsibility? And how does allowing people to choose from a variety of market providers for any good or service lead to less discretion than government services?
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Look if you are asking a terminally sick person over to make up a system that TRASHES the middle and working class - then expect the majority to pay for his care - there is no moral responsibility to at least cover his medical bills instead of burdening the majority? LOOK UP COMPARTMENTALIZATION - lunatic... And NATIONALIZING the heath care system is WAY WAY WAY BETTER than you ILLUIONARY CHOICE - you fucking 5 year old lunatic...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - The middle class are better under free markets in which they may choose who to work for and who to buy from. Why would government have more of an incentive to provide better services to people if government imprisons people who refuse to pay and bans all competitors from providing the same thing?
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt This has to be THE most stupid thing you have now said - the middle class WAS CREATED and SUSTAINED by GOVERNMENT YOU FUCKING LUNATIC - look you pig ignorant fucking lunatic - go look up the difference between rationalism and empiricism - you are a fucking disgrace./.. If I REALLY REALLY REALLY want and believe the world to be flat it makes NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE WHAT SO EVER TO REALITY - you right wing fucking lunatic... And imprisonment was INCREASED BECAUSE OF BUSINESS - sheez...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - The middle class - if anything - was hampered by government. Perhaps you should start taking your own advice on empiricism. And how does letting people choose between multiple providers of a good or service lead to imprisonment - which is inherently an act of government?
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Look Go look up 'the great compression' - you FUCKING RETARD - here is Krugman explaining it:
'Paul Krugman - Income Inequality and the Middle Class' on youtube
And you EMPIRICAL evidence is? Oh thats right you just have to say something God checks and changes reality to fit - MORON... The prison system has been privatized and then they lobby government to increase sentences - FUCKING RETARD...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - As I pointed out to you on the video, "Are the Poor Getting Poorer?" you cannot rely on household data as Krugman does because it fails to take into account that there are fewer working individuals living in each household.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt Households are GETTING BIGGER. There is NOTHING wrong with using household data and WAGES tell the same story - YOU ARE FUCKING PATHETIC...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - As Jack McNeil of the Census Bureau pointed out:
"The 1969 to 1996 stagnation in median household income may, in fact, be largely a reflection of changes in the size and composition of households rather than a reflection of a stagnating economy."
StateExempt 2 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - It was sure funny seeing you blow up on that last debate. Looks like your self-control has not changed at all. ;-D
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt I'm blowing up because I am taking to a completely insane MORON - you might like suffering fools but I fucking HATE it...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - No, you are blowing up because that is the nature of deep progressives such as yourself. Pretending to allow other views to be heard and then shocked to discover that other views even exist.
StateExempt 2 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - I will be awaiting something new to support your claims that you did not bring up in our debate a few weeks back. Maybe tomorrow will be a major exception to the rule but I will not hold my breath.
Good night.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt MORON
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity I can't really tell what either of you are arguing and I probably won't take the time to figure it out. But, you're constant aggressive insulting makes it seem that you are losing. I just hope you are not arguing for something I would argue for, because you are turning people away from whatever argument you are making.
margoliesmedia 2 months ago
@margoliesmedia GO FUCK YOURSELF...
StunnedByStupidity 2 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity I love you. I hope you will be a nice person some day.
margoliesmedia 2 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - I rest my case.
StateExempt 2 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Please rephrase that into something sensible.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - Not everyone with more common sense on these issues than you is a child, though I am sure there are many that are.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt YES THEY ARE... Pig ignorant children...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - I do not deny that there are plenty of children with more sense than you, but this does not apply to everyone at or above your level of cognitive ability.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt YES IT DOES... And GROW UP WANKER...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - The only person here who has some growing up to do is you. Aside from comments laced with mindless rants and trying to bring up things that are not even relevant to anything I have argued, you have yet to produce anything of substance.
StateExempt 3 months ago
@StateExempt YOU ARE PATHETIC... See AGAIN the right wing territory either directly use ad hominems (as here0 or ERRONEOUSLY claim I'm using ad hominems - you really are pathetic... Yes dear we get it you are DESPERATELY hanging onto NOTHING to TRY to win a lost argument - GET HELP...
StunnedByStupidity 3 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity - So by that description are you the right-winger you keep referring to?
StateExempt 3 months ago
Yes! Its great to see new Bottom Line interviews!
BigDaddyDJD 5 months ago in playlist More videos from janhelfeld
This needs a spartan remix.
MISTERWONKA7 5 months ago
watch?v=StHwAffUNxo
jryan1971 5 months ago
You could be saying the same exact thing if the government owned all the nation's banks or oil: "I am thankful for those which help me work." If the government owned all the factories too.
These things would exist without government intervention as well.
ReasonAndLiberty 5 months ago
"The American Dream is NOT a handout. The Dems should learn this. We have a problem when the top 10% pay 70% of the revenue generated and 51% of Americans pay no federal taxes!"
Agreed it is unfair and needs to be fixed. But also remember janhelfeld that this guy does have a point. Tax's go to the government commodities such as transportation, security, and the commonwelfare. While I am a capitalist by blood :) I am thankful for the necessities provided to enable me to make money.
bigbirdscuttles24 5 months ago
@janhelfeld Also, if I was in his shoes and just answered the same freaking question, i would have walked out too. The interviewer needs to come up with different questions. Like perhaps addressing the top 10% issue.
bigbirdscuttles24 5 months ago
@bigbirdscuttles24 You said: "Tax's go to the government commodities such as transportation, security, and the commonwelfare...I am thankful for the necessities provided to enable me to make money."
So we should break into people's houses, steal their property, and throw them into jail to save you a bit of comfort? Simply because the government provides the services doesn't mean they won't exist in a voluntary society. Are free people inherently stupid and deny the benefits of roads and schools?
ReasonAndLiberty 5 months ago
Oh, he knew the point he was making.... that's why he scampered out of the room... :D!
MrDrawingguy 5 months ago
Was Moran drinking when he did this interview? He looks hung over.
snowden67 5 months ago
lol, very poorly interviewed
LordSch3tzer 6 months ago
I love liberty as much as anyone and apparently a lot more
The problem with 51% of Americans paying no federal taxes is that it isn't 61% of Americans paying no federal taxes. We have a problem when the top 10% pays only 70% of the revenue generated when they should be paying 100%. Do we want more people to be free from this extortion or less people? I think freeing 90% of the country from it is an improvement because I love freedom, not high earners with a bad case of tax envy.
heymisterderp 6 months ago
Silly little rich people. lol They just don't want to pay their taxes like everyone else, lol!! They are just so special! We should never force rich people to pay taxes. Oh, ofcourse not. Only the poor should pay taxes, lol.
DarthTroller 6 months ago
@DarthTroller Your username suits you.
ReasonAndLiberty 5 months ago
@ReasonAndLiberty Thank you : )
DarthTroller 5 months ago
Moran is a Moron.
batfly 6 months ago
Great Job!!!!!!!!!!:))))
MKMA10 6 months ago
What a great job you did!!!!:) Keep up such a Brillion work!!!
MKMA10 6 months ago
So much common sense made and simultaneously ignored in ninety seconds...
StateExempt 6 months ago
This is too damn funny!
4thstuning 7 months ago
Absolutely *love* the new videos. Keep 'em coming Jan! They look rather professional.
MerlinYoda 7 months ago
government is a gun
leavesofliberty 7 months ago 4
@leavesofliberty
Government is violent force used to abridge Liberty.
batfly 6 months ago
Remember Moran in his next election and broom the bastard.
DONGOE 7 months ago 3
Most liberal congressman are total hypocrites because they are part of the so-called "rich" and they give themselves special rules or "forget" to pay their taxes.
DONGOE 7 months ago 3
Typical Lib/Dem - I know what my agenda is, but I can't defend it logically, so I will walk out.
DONGOE 7 months ago 2
Dont worry Moron if you think that the vet held you accountable for you being doing a meeting to not have to wait for the 11th hr solution and saying the troops wont be paid is coming again soon .
TheDuckseason 7 months ago 2
His answer was actually better than most politicians would be able to come up with, but his brain still couldn't compute the contradiction.
spamdude1 7 months ago
Congressman Moran, more like Congressman Moron :P
b07rivera 7 months ago
Congressman Moran is making several business ASSumptions that may not be true. This is typical of many of our government officials. They know it all, but when logic and clear thinking enter into the picture, their arrogance will usually cause them to act irrationally. Congressman Moran, maybe you should change your name to Moron.
DONGOE 7 months ago
Obama and team are just a bunch of professors who never had to make a payroll. They are totally clueless as to how business works. I am beginning to think not one of them passed basic math and for sure they did not take economics 101 class. They may be able to debate law and find cases to break constitutional law but are illiterate on every other subject.
quizerry 7 months ago
just like comrade obama,marxist filth
100crawma 7 months ago 2