please take note the arvanites=ellines are broke according to the ECB.
guess what you dumb ALBANIANS without hellas there is no EU...because EUROPE=HELLAS thats why the EU is running around to fix the promblem because no HELLAS no EU europe is a GREEK word..
and thats why if ALBANIANS want to be part of the EU all they have to do is to bent over and cope it up ASS.... according to our historians
Albaninas are Greeks. If albania was a part of Greece since 1821 now Albanians would be in EU, they wouldn't have been a communist state, they would not have been occupied from serbians and they would be prosperous like the rest of Greece and they wouldn't need to immigrate to find jobs. And the most important they wouldn't have been islamised by the Othoman empire. Arvanites knew something back then and they created the Greek state. The Albanians obviously are missing something...
Το μεσαιωνικό (ελληνοβυζαντινό) Άρβανον είναι αρχαιότερο της υστεροβυζαντινής παπιστανικής ή οθωμανικής Αλβανίας. Οι Λατινογενείς Παπιστάνοι εκλατίνισαν το (ελληνοβυζαντινό) θέμα Άρβανον, έπειτα από την τροπή του ρο σε ''λου'' & του βου σε ''μπου'' στα επίσημα έγγραφα.
Παρεπιπτόντως κατι που προσεξα: η wikipedia κανει διαχωρισμο αναμεσα σε αρβανιτες της Νοτιου Ελλαδος και σε ''Αλβανοφωνους πληθυσμους'' που ηρθαν στην ελλαδα μετα τη συνθηκη της Λωζανης...
u greeks try to give the word albanian and turk the same meaning for many different reasons.. so u could have somethin to put the hatred u feel towards albanians on... during suliotes time, northern albanians were fighting with turks as much as albanian suliots, meanhwile u greeks and ur brothers(serbs) idly stood by.
as far as turkey is concerend now.. well they fucked us over, sold our lands to serbia montenegro and u greeks, but they could still block out ur sun, just like in ancient times
when you name souliotes as albanians that is enough to proove your ingorance and your ethnicist intenses. souliotes are greeks. ask their descendants if you dare. but you ll never dare because you are always hidden behind your pc screen
@valdrin85 Souliotes made war against ali Pasha who was Albanian. If they were Albanians they would have cooperated with him for Albania's independence instead of fighting him for Greece's independence.
thracianrodope... wtf are u talkin about, seriously??? where the hell do u guys get this info from??? albanian comin from caucasus myth was born when we declared independence in 1912 most likely, cause im not really sure when...
reason being??? u serbs and greeks wanted to split up our lands and claim it as ur own...
now stfu cause everyone knows the truth...
albanians come from caucasus... go ask ppl from caucasus if albanians from the balkans have anythin in common with em..
exei lythei pampolles fores autos o dithen problimatismos ton pseutoaristeron kai tholokoultouriaridon fasiston...oi albanoi irthan sta balkania apo tin kaspia thalasa kata ton 13o kai 14o aiona m.X apo tous Tourkous..
2. oi arbanites den exoun KAMMIA sxesi me tous albanous..oi arbanites einai gnisioi Ellines dorikis katagogis kai panta antimetopizan me abyssaleo misos tous albanous opos kai tous Tourkous..thimitheite me poso misos kai autothysia polemisan tous turkalbanous kata tin epanastasi
Τους αναφέρει ο Διονύσιος Αλικαρνασσεύς (περ. 60 π.Χ.-21 μ.Χ.) στο έργο του «Ρωμαϊκή Αρχαιολογία». Αλβανοί από την Alba Longa ήταν και ο Ρωμύλος με τον Ρέμο, που ίδρυσαν την Ρώμη
Οι πιο πολλοί όμως δεν γνωρίζουν ότι Αλβανοί υπήρχαν και στο αρχαίο Λάτιο. Ήταν οι Λατίνοι που είχαν σαν πρωτεύουσα την Alba Longa (Άλμπα Λόνγκα) και ονομάζονταν Αλβανοί (Albans).
nai tha soy poyn ton adwni georgiadh.eida kai ego kai tis plirofories gia ton stravwna.allh anafora yparxei kai gia mia polli dipla poy legotan ibiria.kai loipon ti?kai oi ispanoi apo kei erxontai?
Ο Στράβωνας δε λέει ότι οι Αλβανοί ήλθαν από τον Καύκασο. Αυτά τα λες εσύ. Υπήρχε λαός Αλβανοί στον Καύκασο, όπως και Αλβανοί στο Λάτιο. Και δίπλα στους Αλβανούς του Καυκάσου υπήρχαν και Αχαιοί.
kai mayros na eimai kai kinezos n a eimoyna kai pakistanos kai otidhpote na hmoyna kai opoiadipote fylh na hmoyna xestika giati dn krinesai apo thn fylh poy eisai alla apo tis prakseis poy tha kaneis.
re dosta moy esy re paidi moy na kano thn dikia moy aksiologisi.kai na yphrxe mia katholikh istorikh vasi oti eimai apo ton kaykaso dn exo kanena provlima.
epeidh mpika ekei kai eida diafores theories apo kroati apo servo,apo italo kai diafora alla kamia dn milaei gia kaykaso.alloi gia ylliria alloi gia thrakes,alloi gia poio voreia akoma,gia kaykaso omos eida aythaireta se kapoia forums.
go ahead and try to prove the linguistics wrong dipshit...did u know albanian has a few words that are similar to Q celtic and old dacian?....draw ur own stupid conclusions about us coming from the caucassus ass hole!
One of the interesting facts that connect the Albanians to the Caucasus and that they are not the descendants of the Ancient Illyrians is the Turkish name for the Albanians. "Arnauti", which means "those who have not returned" in Arabic, for the Turks were aware of the origins of the Albanians. And they truly did not return, they stayed in Serbian and Byzantine lands.
The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development.
University of Vienna is studying Albanian texts from the 16th century. the initial results suggest it is a very sophisticated nuanced language, grammatically and in terms of unique vocabulary, at that time, which of course means it could not have just appeared from the sky and was already under development for a long period.
if you are going to participate here ThracianDope, don't you at least want to be prepared?
also, if Albanian is an oral tradition, is it less valuable monoutriche friend?
The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development.
Albanian is classified as an IE language only because no one has been able to classify it into any other group, and this is because no one has yet studied all the Caucasus languages.
Albanian might have IE sounding words, but its basic structure and syntax are more similar to Chechen and Udish than to any IE language. Many Albanian words do sound Indo-European, because Albanian has borrowed over 80% of its vocabulary, more than any other European language.
if it happened when we left hpeiros why are we obliged to name them shkipetar? we left them as greeks. and now they are a different nation, a latinic language and a different people! we arvanites are the majority. if they want, they can follow us, they can become again greeks etc. its so simple!
your origin is both from the north of albania and the south. some of your are ghegs some are tosks.
this word "Shqiptar" does not have so much importance. it's just a heroic family that you don't know about. just as there are many heroes among the arvanites that we don't know so much about.
yes, can become "greek" again, when you convince the greeks they are "albanians" again! ;-) so you have your work to do.
the only thing keeping you connected there is religion - today it means nothing.
when the common person in greece watches and enjoys an arvanitic inspired dance or concert and says "this is great greek music" and laughs in your face when you say the origin is further north among the albanians, and you SIT THERE AND SMILE AND AGREE, then you disrespect your own family and the sufferings they have experienced.
you should be proud. you don't have to go against greece, but you should at least have the courage to say "no, this is a contribution form our albanian ancestors".
all persons in greece know about arvanites. you are the only ones on earth who doubt about that because you hane ethicist ideas for the great albania. a newly born ''nation'' made by foreigns states. lol. you were not able to deliberate even your little country and you try to enlarge it with stolen history and people. lol. you are so funny! we arvanites are more than your entire little country. lol. go serving your propaganda plans to your people only! try to convince them at first!
This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
no ones trying to make u albanians u stupid cunt...u can go to the moon and declare ur greekness for all any albanian cares but the fact that u insult us by using our language and insult us by calling us turks is a fallacy because wether u like it or not a part of u is albanian again totally proven and stated by greeks themselves.
ThracianDope, no one wants pan-albananization, this is a crazy fear of your culture. we just want recognition and respect and we WILL have it. believe, you have no idea what you are dealing with. your ignorant professors have distorted history and made you underestimate us, which is fine.
we are all brothers and greek and albanians are like two arms on the same body, but for now, you are clouded and confused by religion, which makes you rigid and very different than the rest of europe. you are closer to the middle ages still, and your heroes are mladic, kardzic and milosevic - your society is willing to support these guys even after all of europe decides they have committed rape, torture and ethnic cleansing.
shame patrioti, shame. these are the ideals of hellenism? r u joking?
you albanians are the only one supporting this point of view, you must respect the history of greek arvanites if you are honnest. we are thousands and we all have the same oppinion our channel represents
so it's not that we are "atheist" as you would like to believe, we are simply more attracted in general to a general spirituality, one that connects with nature, like the old identity was, in our whole region, before the middle eastern mythologies of judaism, christianity and islam were imposed on our lands.
remember that true hellenism, the golden period of science, art and philosophy, occurred in the polytheistic world, not in monotheism. when monotheism came, no more progress was made...
This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
you are a u.s. bitch who writes crap no problem with that though.. but your low level absolutely retarded propaganda can persuade only my dog and i am not even sure for that..
Modern Greeks are brainwashed by the Greek orthodox church, and consider Serbs as their friends. Serbs first of all recognized Fyrom. In fact Serbs are enemies of Greeks and they use Greeks to slam Albania.
This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
the "greek" aspect for us is religious extremism in your culture, so it's not so beautiful really, especially in 2009. i understand the historical role it plays in protecting greek culture from foreign influence... in a certain sense, islam played a similar role in protecting our culture from foreign influence... but once the protection has been accomplished, it's time to get the train moving forward again and leave the tools of the previous epoch behind, since a very new epoch is upon us.
the one difference is the intensity and exclusivity of religious devotion in your society. in our society, it is impossible to imagine anyone taking seriously the words of a priest or an imam. we respect all religions, but we pay homage to our most ancient roots first. we intermarry, everyone hangs out...
albanian rule: albanian first (ancient identity), religion second ("gift" of various colonialists)
and just from a scientific point of view, cultural/anthropological/psychological, we as albanians recognize very strong persistence of certain motifs that are found in concentrated forms throughout albania and in more diluted forms among our neighbors. these motifs are in music, dance, costume and tradition. and the more we interact with get to know arvanites (working for them, hanging out, etc.) the more we can feel those similarities.
and the idea that somehow arvanites have nothing in common with albanians is just completely false. the fact of their resistance is the primary characteristic of albanian culture throughout the world, we are very much like the jewish culture in that sense. we adapt well everywhere, ottoman empire, byzantium, rome, etc. but most do not assimilate. this is obviously true of the arvanites.
if the arvanites were pure greeks as you say, then they would not keep the name "arvnanite" (albanian).
and finally, our history has been rewritten in your books over the past 100 years and great pressure has been brought on the arvanites to "prove" greekness. if you bring that together with the global "urbanization" movement, and the desire of small town kids to be big city kids, it is natural that our albanian language, which was maintained for centuries, has finally started to give away ONLY in the past 50 years as a result of kids moving to athens & other big cities & wanting feel homogenous.
the separation between us occurred as a result of many factors, including distance, a shift in religious affiliation, the reality of invaders (they focused much more heavily on Kruja then Morea patrioti), the policies of the church as well as the Porte (ottomans), which banned our language and taught only greek (for christians) and turkish (for muslims).
i am not advocating any changes in borders or political affiliations, let me be clear. those days are over, and a new unified europe is a much more beautiful vision than small tribes fighting for influence over tiny pieces of land.
what we are talking about here is dignity and truth and reconciliation. from our point of view, this means an end to denying the influence of albanian culture on your society, solely on religious grounds. that is why our connection with arvanites is so important.
another element you do not grasp is the extent to which conscious systematic interference in the affairs of the arvanites, was orchestrated by the eastern church. this is perhaps too painful for you to accept because today your society is so small, and religion and state are not separated (as in the rest of europe). in addition, your society is lacking in any creative or progressive drive forward (just an honest fact, i hope it will change), and that makes it difficult to look in the mirror.
our relations with the church are typicals though we were always fighters. our relations with greece always essentials. this is what nowdays albanians who change their greek concience cant understand at all!
there is no doubt a greek component to this, i don't deny it. in fact, contrary to what you may think, i actually believe we were much closer in the past. the point you don't seem to be able to ponder is that albanians also have a very intense "practice against foreign influence", that is what has enabled us to maintain our language and identity as an oral culture & tradition! in this sense, the "greek practice" does not even compare, since it can always rely on physical relics & nostalgia.
thracian'on-dope' since when is byril the same as burris (illyrian for man aswell) since u claim it to be a latin root word?...fool...arvanites are nothing if u cant admit your origins!...u are nothing i repeat that...the only reason u are even mentioned in records as fighting in the greek revolution is because u 'WERE' albanians!..common sense..why would anyone mention a group of people with a different name if they were the same people (greeks)????.
our relations with the church are typicals though we were always fighters. our relations with greece always essentials. this is what nowdays albanians who change their greek concience cant understand at all!
"The object they have in view is the Hellenisation of Albania. The whole of the southern portion carries its commerce through Janina and the inhabitants regard this town as their capital. As yet their aspirations to form a distinct nationality are thought to be weak and ill-defined, so that the Greeks hope, with the possession of Janina, to amalgamate the two races and gain over to the cause of Hellenism the finest and most warlike race in southern Europe."
fuk you thracianDope, you are not even thracian, you are a modern hyper-nationalist fool, educated by malakas with a political agenda that includes usurpation of all the neighboring cultures and traditions and the denial of the war crimes that characterize your nation's "modern" history.
megalos malakas! LOL... you have so many albanians in your country, arvanites that freed you from ottoman tyranny, your first two presidents were arvanite, so much of your modern culture comes from us. malaka.
and today, while your nation remains a fat lazy feta-cheese republic, you are LUCKY to have hardworking albanians coming to save your asses again from disintegration...
and as has been the case many times throughout history, we are rising within in the south balkans.
you are so brainwashed to HATE albanians, it's sad, but the upside is that you have no idea who you are dealing with patrioti...
keep up the hate speech and racism... let's see what happens...
it used to mean openness and dynamic assimilation and integration of the greatest thoughts, ideas and imagination that could be gathered together and understood by human beings.
today it means fundamentalist religious doctrine, extreme nationalism and crimes against humanity. in other words, NOTHING DO TO WITH HELLENISM AT ALL.
so forget your pretentious sentence patrioti, you have no idea what it means to be albanian. WE are the preservers of the ancient identity, that's why we include you.
though you sometimes don't deserve it... what a crazy education system you have over there... completely out of touch with all that is happening in europe...
bro, come visit albania, tirana is fun place. you will be welcomed with open arms, believe me. you really don't know us at all.
look. you must be pround of arvanites because they are not at all open mind. this is the reason why they kept their traditions etc. arvanites believe only to their strength and to their god. they ll never change their ideas. you try to show them another way. its impossible. believe me. thats why albanians have so much transformations but arvanites dont have any one. you are lucky but unlucky the same time! lol
minorities often become hardened and stubborn when they are living in a land that wishes to assimilate them through coercion, especially Albanians. anywhere you go, you will find Albanians are persistent and insulated, this is how they have kept their language over incredible lengths of time, without the benefit of large scale funding from romantic western europeans.
you simply prove my point that they are proud albanians living in a land which has challenged their existence. very courageous.
shall we all attend the schools you have attended ThracianRopeADope? a nation in which the very curriculum is influenced by ignorant uneducated religious clerics? the only nation in Europe that has not officially separated religion and state?
you are a feta-cheese republic patrioti, one that has received massive aid from the U.S., NATO and Europe and even after 65+ years of relative freedom, you are still the poorest of the original EU member states.
PO e tregojke nje histori po ku po doni mu ba ju arvanitet ma grek se greku po vet fjala Arvanite eshte nje emer ofendus per ju qe ju bajn greket sikur na ne KOSOVE qe ju thojm sllave(serbve) SHKIJE Zgjohi popull Arvanit e mos mbani kryet ne hi e ndiheni vehten krenar qe jeni Shqiptar se neper trojet Shqiptare shum fe kan kalu e kurr skan mujt me asimilu e juve pak rrugen e kini lshu aje popull qe e mohon prejardhjen vet eshte i destinum mu zhduk po dhashte zoti e ju bjen nder MEND
Po kjo gjuha e Arvanitve eshte nji dijalekt shum i vjeter qe vjen nga Ilirshtja edhe pse jam nga KOSOVA une e kuptova krejt kjo eshte edhe nje deshmi qe Arvanitet kan nje prejardhje Ilire dhe jemi te nje gjaku kjo eshte nje gje e bukur .mos harroni Arvanite. FEJA E SHQIPETARIT ESHTE SHQIPERIA per shqiptarin e vertet nuka kisha e gjamia por feja e tij eshte vetem Shqiptaria rroft gjaku ILIR
PHAAAAA qfar kodoshi shqipja vjen nga Turqishtja po shtaze te koke hahahahahahahahahahahaha sja vlen me komentu me kso njerz te asimilum po GREKET VIJNE NGA AFRIKA MOORE PO NEJSE TI RRUGES TANE E UNE TEMES SE GJAKU UJ GRKU TU PASKA BA HE MEDET PER MARKO BUCARIN E BUBULINEN qka kan lan mbrapa
just what i expected thracianrhodope to lecture me about my own language and not answer the question...WELL?...what does bourimiri mean in greek?...BIG FAT NOTHING!...it means the same thing in albanian though...burr i mir = man is good or in plain english good man...just a shame that this guy is no where near the good man he claims to be!
Τα Αρβανιτικα ειναι Αρχαιο-ελληνικα με πολλες επιδρασεις (λατινικες)λογω της Ρωμαικρατιας που συνεχιζοταν επιμονα γυρω απο το θεμα Δυρραχιου/Επιδαμνου!
Φιλε μου ...Η Γλωσσα ειναι η ελληνικη,η αρβανιτικη ειναι μια Διαλεκτος με ιδιωμα που ομιλουταν στο θεμα ιλλυρικο και αργοτερα στο θεμα Δυρραχιο-αυτη η διαλεκτος δεν θεωρητε γλωσσα γιατι δεν ειναι τοσο πλουσια (οσο η Ελληνικη) ωστε να μπορεσει να εχει βαση..!
u in greece speak the purest idiom of shit!!...if u cant admit that your language is majority albanian with a few greek words mixed in...those foreign words u talk about are present in arvanite aswell...tell me why doesnt a greek know what bourimiri means if it is a greek language?...thracian rhodope what does bourimiri mean in greek?
how do you explain that in korca there are 0 greeks,while in himara there are lots of them?simple logic,koritsa is albanian,if i were the president of albania,i would return himara and girokastre to greece,because i wouldn t like people like bolanos in albania who do things against the law,and i would like the greeks to be in their land
in korytsa there are greeks?hahahahahahahahahahaha nice joke,korytsa is 100% albanian,i am from korytsa and i know what is going on,you poor greeks,you think that in korytsa there are greeks,hahaha
never something supporting by the entire of greek arvanites of greece is redicule. if you want to represent it like that its your problem. but not ours in any case. you persuade only yourselves and your so little country. we the arvanites of greece of course are more from the entire of your country
The only why you call it propaganda is because it doesnt appeal to you. They can just as well claim that what you write is propaganda. Because your an Arvanitis doesnt immediately train you in medieval history. Those writers have no reason to lie and spread 'propaganda'. They are simply studying, as all anthropologists do. You are the one who actually carries biases, your hatred of Albanians is clearly a motivation for what you create and how you view things. This bias perverts....
historians of now days are directed from matters of foreing office politics of every country. but historians of the past have recorded. but the great rerord is our language,., a pure ancient greek idiom. look at my profile what write just now some albanians and greeks and get educated!
No need to look at your profile. I can pick up real literature and get a picture of reality, works published in universities all over the world, accepted by professional people, professors and intellectuals and admitted by logical and intelligent Greeks. As for your 'pure Gree idiom', lol, Arvanitika is an Albanian idiom. That is universally recognized. But I would like it if you stopped speaking our language....
i ll never stop talking our idiom because we ll not give it to you. as well as there is only one greek arvanite on the planet speaking arvanist, you ll never become the oweners of that idiom. you just keep speaking albanian....
Okay whatever, keep in mind that your dialect is disappearing. In fact, you guys are nearing extinction. Many of your compatriots are even afraid to speak it. In one more generation you dialect of Albanian will disappear once and for all... lol, but your spirit, keep our, Albanian, language alive. LOL!!
@valdrin85 : Souliotes made war against Ali Pasha who was Albanian.
If they were Albanians they would have cooperate with him for Albania's independence instead of fighting him for Greece's independence.
Why didn't they fight for a free Albanian state?
HaxaaN 1 year ago
TOU the poor albanians.
please take note the arvanites=ellines are broke according to the ECB.
guess what you dumb ALBANIANS without hellas there is no EU...because EUROPE=HELLAS thats why the EU is running around to fix the promblem because no HELLAS no EU europe is a GREEK word..
and thats why if ALBANIANS want to be part of the EU all they have to do is to bent over and cope it up ASS.... according to our historians
subie204 2 years ago
Albaninas are Greeks. If albania was a part of Greece since 1821 now Albanians would be in EU, they wouldn't have been a communist state, they would not have been occupied from serbians and they would be prosperous like the rest of Greece and they wouldn't need to immigrate to find jobs. And the most important they wouldn't have been islamised by the Othoman empire. Arvanites knew something back then and they created the Greek state. The Albanians obviously are missing something...
Lysimachus81 2 years ago 2
Το μεσαιωνικό (ελληνοβυζαντινό) Άρβανον είναι αρχαιότερο της υστεροβυζαντινής παπιστανικής ή οθωμανικής Αλβανίας. Οι Λατινογενείς Παπιστάνοι εκλατίνισαν το (ελληνοβυζαντινό) θέμα Άρβανον, έπειτα από την τροπή του ρο σε ''λου'' & του βου σε ''μπου'' στα επίσημα έγγραφα.
HostonParton 2 years ago
Παρεπιπτόντως κατι που προσεξα: η wikipedia κανει διαχωρισμο αναμεσα σε αρβανιτες της Νοτιου Ελλαδος και σε ''Αλβανοφωνους πληθυσμους'' που ηρθαν στην ελλαδα μετα τη συνθηκη της Λωζανης...
ItachiRaikiri 2 years ago 7
.Εγω ειμαι απο Εβρο και μου εκανε εντυπωση αυτος ο διαχωρισμος, δεν τον εχω ξανασυντησει πουθενα...
ItachiRaikiri 2 years ago 3
Μαλακια που δεν εχω καθησει να μαθω αρβανιτικα, με θλιβει το γεγονος οτι η ντοπιολαλια στις επομενες γενιες, ενδεχεται να αφανιστει...
ItachiRaikiri 2 years ago 3
u greeks try to give the word albanian and turk the same meaning for many different reasons.. so u could have somethin to put the hatred u feel towards albanians on... during suliotes time, northern albanians were fighting with turks as much as albanian suliots, meanhwile u greeks and ur brothers(serbs) idly stood by.
as far as turkey is concerend now.. well they fucked us over, sold our lands to serbia montenegro and u greeks, but they could still block out ur sun, just like in ancient times
valdrin85 2 years ago
when you name souliotes as albanians that is enough to proove your ingorance and your ethnicist intenses. souliotes are greeks. ask their descendants if you dare. but you ll never dare because you are always hidden behind your pc screen
Bourimiri 2 years ago 3
@valdrin85 : Souliotes made war against Ali Pasha who was Albanian.
If they were Albanians they would have cooperate with him for Albania's independence instead of fighting him for Greece's independence.
Why didn't they fight for a free Albanian state?
HaxaaN 1 year ago
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peri1522 2 years ago
No one has ever sold anything to Greece. Everything we have, our fathers & ancestors got it with their guts & blood!!
peri1522 2 years ago
yes with their guns, and someone elses blood
valdrin85 2 years ago
Your lack of education is ovious. One could not expect a more unintelligent answer from a turkoalbanian dish washer.
peri1522 2 years ago
@valdrin85 : Souliotes made war against Ali Pasha who was Albanian.
If they were Albanians they would have cooperate with him for Albania's independence instead of fighting him for Greece's independence.
Why didn't they fight for a free Albanian state?
HaxaaN 1 year ago
@valdrin85 : Souliotes made war against Ali Pasha who was Albanian.
If they were Albanians they would have cooperate with him for Albania's independence instead of fighting him for Greece's independence.
Why didn't they fight for a free Albanian state?
HaxaaN 1 year ago
@valdrin85 : Souliotes made war against Ali Pasha who was Albanian.
If they were Albanians they would have cooperate with him for Albania's independence instead of fighting him for Greece's independence.
Why didn't they fight for a free Albanian state?
HaxaaN 1 year ago
@valdrin85 : Souliotes made war against Ali Pasha who was Albanian.
If they were Albanians they would have cooperate with him for Albania's independence instead of fighting him for Greece's independence.
Why didn't they fight for a free Albanian state?
HaxaaN 1 year ago
@valdrin85 : Souliotes made war against Ali Pasha who was Albanian.
If they were Albanians they would have cooperate with him for Albania's independence instead of fighting him for Greece's independence.
Why didn't they fight for a free Albanian state?
HaxaaN 1 year ago
@valdrin85 : Souliotes made war against Ali Pasha who was Albanian.
If they were Albanians they would have cooperate with him for Albania's independence instead of fighting him for Greece's independence.
Why didn't they fight for a free Albanian state?
HaxaaN 1 year ago
@valdrin85 : Souliotes made war against Ali Pasha who was Albanian.
If they were Albanians they would have cooperate with him for Albania's independence instead of fighting him for Greece's independence.
Why didn't they fight for a free Albanian state?
HaxaaN 1 year ago
@valdrin85 Souliotes made war against ali Pasha who was Albanian. If they were Albanians they would have cooperated with him for Albania's independence instead of fighting him for Greece's independence.
Why didn't they fight for a free Albanian state?
HaxaaN 1 year ago
thracianrodope... wtf are u talkin about, seriously??? where the hell do u guys get this info from??? albanian comin from caucasus myth was born when we declared independence in 1912 most likely, cause im not really sure when...
reason being??? u serbs and greeks wanted to split up our lands and claim it as ur own...
now stfu cause everyone knows the truth...
albanians come from caucasus... go ask ppl from caucasus if albanians from the balkans have anythin in common with em..
valdrin85 2 years ago
BRAVO GUILDENRICH! JU RUAJTE ZOTI!
ncuukncuuk1 2 years ago
Nai sostos. Eseis k Oi Skopianoi h malon oi Makodones.oi duo arxaioteroi laoi sta valkania. ainte re muala. ti allo tha akousoume.
anastasiosg21 2 years ago 2
exei lythei pampolles fores autos o dithen problimatismos ton pseutoaristeron kai tholokoultouriaridon fasiston...oi albanoi irthan sta balkania apo tin kaspia thalasa kata ton 13o kai 14o aiona m.X apo tous Tourkous..
2. oi arbanites den exoun KAMMIA sxesi me tous albanous..oi arbanites einai gnisioi Ellines dorikis katagogis kai panta antimetopizan me abyssaleo misos tous albanous opos kai tous Tourkous..thimitheite me poso misos kai autothysia polemisan tous turkalbanous kata tin epanastasi
GREEKGOD20000 2 years ago
Τους αναφέρει ο Διονύσιος Αλικαρνασσεύς (περ. 60 π.Χ.-21 μ.Χ.) στο έργο του «Ρωμαϊκή Αρχαιολογία». Αλβανοί από την Alba Longa ήταν και ο Ρωμύλος με τον Ρέμο, που ίδρυσαν την Ρώμη
filippos1988 2 years ago
η αλβανοπολη του πτολεμαιου ειναι στον καυκασο. αστο. δεν τοχεις
Bourimiri 2 years ago
ba esy den to exeis.toy ptolemaioy einai sthn ylliria.psaksto.
filippos1988 2 years ago
vre korbi ai thote tse alvanopolis ne shkiperie e kan drekioure shkipetarete gka kaykaso
Bourimiri 2 years ago
dn yparxei ayto poy les.o ptolemeos ekane anafora gia albanopolis.ayto mono.dn leei oti metaferthikan plythismoi.o stravwnas anferei mia poli me thn onomasia albanoi.dn eipe gia metakiniseis.
filippos1988 2 years ago
O Ptolemeos mialei gia arvano-arvanopolis=Diladi i polis ton arvaniton
I albano-polis itan ston CAUCASO u know?
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
αντε μη μας πάθεις τίποτα.Απο σήμερα είσαι ιλλυριος.Γόνος πολεμιστών και φοράς και το καπέλο του Αχιλλέα.Αιντε χαρούμενος τωρα?
CASTRER 2 years ago
filippos1988 min asxolise alo me aftous,
ama kserane oti oi arvanites einai pio arxaioi apo tous ellines den tha ta legane afta .
mos u merr me me keta se jane kokemushka.
mixalis555 2 years ago
Shqiptaraki για μπατσες εισαι....
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Historiani Turk Mehmet Tefik shkruan:
"Bashkësinë Osmane e kanë siguruar dy krahë: turqit në Lindje (Anadoll) dhe vellezerit e tyre shqiptarë në Perëndim (Ballkan)".
Turkish Historian Mehmet Tefik writes:
Turkish Nation was protected in the East (Anatolia) by the Turks and on the West (Ballkans) by their Albanian Brothers
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Οι πιο πολλοί όμως δεν γνωρίζουν ότι Αλβανοί υπήρχαν και στο αρχαίο Λάτιο. Ήταν οι Λατίνοι που είχαν σαν πρωτεύουσα την Alba Longa (Άλμπα Λόνγκα) και ονομάζονταν Αλβανοί (Albans).
filippos1988 2 years ago
nai tha soy poyn ton adwni georgiadh.eida kai ego kai tis plirofories gia ton stravwna.allh anafora yparxei kai gia mia polli dipla poy legotan ibiria.kai loipon ti?kai oi ispanoi apo kei erxontai?
filippos1988 2 years ago
KALA PALIKARI EXEIS COMPLEX ETSI
ANTE PANE MATHE ISTORIA
ZWO ORTHIO POU I IPIROTES DEN ITAN ELLINES
BLAKA
ALBANE
Bourimiri
kantou BLOCK
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
an hmoyna yllirios h kaykasios allazei tpt.fysika oxi.oyte tha ploytiso oyte diashmos tha gino
filippos1988 2 years ago
Στραβωνας
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
μπας και τους ξεστραβωνας!
Bourimiri 2 years ago
Σωστοςςςς!!
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Βασικα αν ο τυφλος δεν θελει να δει τοφως του...Δεν μπορεις να κανεις τιποτε..
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Ο Στράβωνας δε λέει ότι οι Αλβανοί ήλθαν από τον Καύκασο. Αυτά τα λες εσύ. Υπήρχε λαός Αλβανοί στον Καύκασο, όπως και Αλβανοί στο Λάτιο. Και δίπλα στους Αλβανούς του Καυκάσου υπήρχαν και Αχαιοί.
POWERHELLENIC 2 years ago
kai mayros na eimai kai kinezos n a eimoyna kai pakistanos kai otidhpote na hmoyna kai opoiadipote fylh na hmoyna xestika giati dn krinesai apo thn fylh poy eisai alla apo tis prakseis poy tha kaneis.
filippos1988 2 years ago
akyro allos moy to eixe ypodeiksei.
filippos1988 2 years ago
Αλβανε τι θελεις ακριβως?
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
thelo onomata episthmonwn poy ta exoyn ypostiriksei ayta..dld aksiopistes phges.dwse moy mia dieythinsi sto internet.
filippos1988 2 years ago
Αν δηλαδη σου τα δωσο τωρα θα καταλαβεις οτι εισαι απο το καυκασο
και φυσικα θα σταματισεις ολη την προπαγανδα σου?
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
re dosta moy esy re paidi moy na kano thn dikia moy aksiologisi.kai na yphrxe mia katholikh istorikh vasi oti eimai apo ton kaykaso dn exo kanena provlima.
filippos1988 2 years ago
to video poy moy eixes deiksei enooysa.
filippos1988 2 years ago
Bourimiri
Παρακαλω ο Αλβανος PowerHellenic
Να διαγραφη λερωνει το ομορφο Video..
Ευχαριστω..
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
apanta moy se kati re.h piges soy oti oi alvanoi einai apo ton kaykaso apo poy einai?epistimonikes piges...
filippos1988 2 years ago
εγω σου εφερα απο την Ακαδημια Ιστορια και Προ-ιστοριας Των Βαλκανιων
απο επιστιμονες
Ιταλους κροατες βουλγαρους σερβους ελληνες και τουρκους που τα ειπαν
αν δεν θες να δεις την αληθεια...προβλημα σου..
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
an enoeis to video poy evgales einai sta agglika.variesai na to bgaleis kai sta ellinika.
filippos1988 2 years ago
apo sena zitao ta onomata ton epistimonon ean ta exeis.
filippos1988 2 years ago
Μπες στο goodle kαι δες..το ιντερνετ ειναι πηγη γνωσεων
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
epeidh mpika ekei kai eida diafores theories apo kroati apo servo,apo italo kai diafora alla kamia dn milaei gia kaykaso.alloi gia ylliria alloi gia thrakes,alloi gia poio voreia akoma,gia kaykaso omos eida aythaireta se kapoia forums.
filippos1988 2 years ago
...no comment..
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
go ahead and try to prove the linguistics wrong dipshit...did u know albanian has a few words that are similar to Q celtic and old dacian?....draw ur own stupid conclusions about us coming from the caucassus ass hole!
albomaniac 2 years ago
An isoun Sostos ELLINAS
tha ikseres oti akoma kai tora zoune kritiki sta paralia tis Foinikis
min miliso gia ta arxaia fila..
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Dialego tirana
kai xotza
OUST
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
One of the interesting facts that connect the Albanians to the Caucasus and that they are not the descendants of the Ancient Illyrians is the Turkish name for the Albanians. "Arnauti", which means "those who have not returned" in Arabic, for the Turks were aware of the origins of the Albanians. And they truly did not return, they stayed in Serbian and Byzantine lands.
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura")
Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli
Albo-Skuraj - Caucasus-Skuria
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Just a few, of the many identical place-names between Albania and Caucasus:
Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti
(Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development.
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
University of Vienna is studying Albanian texts from the 16th century. the initial results suggest it is a very sophisticated nuanced language, grammatically and in terms of unique vocabulary, at that time, which of course means it could not have just appeared from the sky and was already under development for a long period.
if you are going to participate here ThracianDope, don't you at least want to be prepared?
also, if Albanian is an oral tradition, is it less valuable monoutriche friend?
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development.
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Albanian is classified as an IE language only because no one has been able to classify it into any other group, and this is because no one has yet studied all the Caucasus languages.
Albanian might have IE sounding words, but its basic structure and syntax are more similar to Chechen and Udish than to any IE language. Many Albanian words do sound Indo-European, because Albanian has borrowed over 80% of its vocabulary, more than any other European language.
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
if it happened when we left hpeiros why are we obliged to name them shkipetar? we left them as greeks. and now they are a different nation, a latinic language and a different people! we arvanites are the majority. if they want, they can follow us, they can become again greeks etc. its so simple!
Bourimiri 2 years ago
your origin is both from the north of albania and the south. some of your are ghegs some are tosks.
this word "Shqiptar" does not have so much importance. it's just a heroic family that you don't know about. just as there are many heroes among the arvanites that we don't know so much about.
yes, can become "greek" again, when you convince the greeks they are "albanians" again! ;-) so you have your work to do.
the only thing keeping you connected there is religion - today it means nothing.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
when the common person in greece watches and enjoys an arvanitic inspired dance or concert and says "this is great greek music" and laughs in your face when you say the origin is further north among the albanians, and you SIT THERE AND SMILE AND AGREE, then you disrespect your own family and the sufferings they have experienced.
you should be proud. you don't have to go against greece, but you should at least have the courage to say "no, this is a contribution form our albanian ancestors".
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
all persons in greece know about arvanites. you are the only ones on earth who doubt about that because you hane ethicist ideas for the great albania. a newly born ''nation'' made by foreigns states. lol. you were not able to deliberate even your little country and you try to enlarge it with stolen history and people. lol. you are so funny! we arvanites are more than your entire little country. lol. go serving your propaganda plans to your people only! try to convince them at first!
Bourimiri 2 years ago
nice propaganda piece... the first one i see from the greek side that actually works a little... until we discover it!
well done, but it didn't have much longevity.
are you a priest? ;-)
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari".
This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
no ones trying to make u albanians u stupid cunt...u can go to the moon and declare ur greekness for all any albanian cares but the fact that u insult us by using our language and insult us by calling us turks is a fallacy because wether u like it or not a part of u is albanian again totally proven and stated by greeks themselves.
albomaniac 2 years ago
ai bitu re tse do na thos neve shkipetar. tsilit gliuha fliasim? nuk ja gliuha jote ajo tse fliasim neve. e keni viedoure si tere tetierat gka neve!
Bourimiri 2 years ago
What is mean Erdhete in albanian?
what is mean Xora in Albanian?
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Albane SHIT_PTAR
1# to oti kapia mera tha sas dioksoume to ksereis..
kai 2# Min to pezeis ellinas giati opos leei kai i paroimia
POUSTI ALBANE DEN THA GINEIS ELLINAS P_O_T_E
Ellas Serbia Symaxia Stin albaniki tromokratia
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Αρβανιτες των Ελληνων το καμαρι
και εμεις τα ελληνοπουλα
σας πλεκουμε στεφανι !!
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Obalkan hiqju ktyne se kta ishin tsmutè
kta ishin ma zi se shkavi he ktyne krejt GREQIA NANEN JU QIFTE PO SHTAZ ISHIN TE PERSHENDES
24061969ceri 2 years ago
Arvanitia
was
is
and always will be the Star of hellenism
Never Shit-ptar
Bravo Arvanitia...
ton Ellinon to kamari..
kai emeis ta ellinopoula sas plekoume stefani !
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
you decided to post it again but with this little change?
silly fascist kid...
don't follow laistrigonad and spend your life defending your grandfather's war crimes.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
i remove the old cause i said
arvanitivia
and not
Arvanitia
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
so all our grandfathers commited war crimes?? muahahaha... crime is to be so stupid like yourself go kill yourself quitly junk..
Laistrigonas 2 years ago
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ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
BalkanShithead
u must realize that all this make the arvanites of Greece feel bad
IF you think them as brothers let them choose..
Stop Xotzas nazi PAN-Albanization
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
ThracianDope, no one wants pan-albananization, this is a crazy fear of your culture. we just want recognition and respect and we WILL have it. believe, you have no idea what you are dealing with. your ignorant professors have distorted history and made you underestimate us, which is fine.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
we are all brothers and greek and albanians are like two arms on the same body, but for now, you are clouded and confused by religion, which makes you rigid and very different than the rest of europe. you are closer to the middle ages still, and your heroes are mladic, kardzic and milosevic - your society is willing to support these guys even after all of europe decides they have committed rape, torture and ethnic cleansing.
shame patrioti, shame. these are the ideals of hellenism? r u joking?
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
This people neather want to call them selfs Shqiptar neather go somewhere else
their blood is Greek...
their homeland for more than 700 years is GREECE
what YOU WANT NOW?
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
wake up arvanita. you can try as hard as you want to be greek, they will always look at you and call you arvanita, best defender of greece.
stop trying so hard. it is not healthy to hate your roots, it's actually sick.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
you albanians are the only one supporting this point of view, you must respect the history of greek arvanites if you are honnest. we are thousands and we all have the same oppinion our channel represents
we thank you
Bourimiri 2 years ago
Their roots are Greek
A Arvanite lady when open they window
they speak with other Greek ladieson windows
and never call her self Alban or Shqip
they have choose more than 700 years before to be into Neo-Greek State
they always when travel and fight
from Ireland to Venic them selfs
Greeks or Grico..
Never Shqip...i am sorry...
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
oh my god the moron is back..
your standard phrases yassoy arvanita is as stupid as your videos loser..
Laistrigonas 2 years ago
an albanian goatfucker can't speak for hellenism..
lol... you are so jackass everybody has a good laugh with your comments retard
Laistrigonas 2 years ago
o cool ehei ptyhio avnanologias
Laistrigonas 2 years ago
so it's not that we are "atheist" as you would like to believe, we are simply more attracted in general to a general spirituality, one that connects with nature, like the old identity was, in our whole region, before the middle eastern mythologies of judaism, christianity and islam were imposed on our lands.
remember that true hellenism, the golden period of science, art and philosophy, occurred in the polytheistic world, not in monotheism. when monotheism came, no more progress was made...
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
you are attracted to everythins shines. at the present you are attracted to bush's watch. tomorrow it will be our watch etc. lol
Bourimiri 2 years ago
you are the ones that 4 american bases that protect you from the turks, i can't imagine why you are so anti-american.
would you prefer russian protection?
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
We have American bases?
We protected by America?
Bush come AS HERO TO GREECE or Al-banania?
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari".
This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
you are a u.s. bitch who writes crap no problem with that though.. but your low level absolutely retarded propaganda can persuade only my dog and i am not even sure for that..
dickhead!!
Laistrigonas 2 years ago
Modern Greeks are brainwashed by the Greek orthodox church, and consider Serbs as their friends. Serbs first of all recognized Fyrom. In fact Serbs are enemies of Greeks and they use Greeks to slam Albania.
POWERHELLENIC 2 years ago
Greeks and Albanians are brothers and they existed thousands years before the barbarian monotheistic religions.
POWERHELLENIC 2 years ago
τοτε ας ερθουν να ζητησουν ενωση με την ελλαδα αντι να βριζουν τους ελληνες κ κυριως τους αρβανιτες που θελουν τους κανουν αλβανους με το ζορι!
Bourimiri 2 years ago
Ante re...
OUST na figoun
pios tous ZITISE NA ERTHOUN EDO?
PIOS
PIOS?
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari".
This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
the "greek" aspect for us is religious extremism in your culture, so it's not so beautiful really, especially in 2009. i understand the historical role it plays in protecting greek culture from foreign influence... in a certain sense, islam played a similar role in protecting our culture from foreign influence... but once the protection has been accomplished, it's time to get the train moving forward again and leave the tools of the previous epoch behind, since a very new epoch is upon us.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
the one difference is the intensity and exclusivity of religious devotion in your society. in our society, it is impossible to imagine anyone taking seriously the words of a priest or an imam. we respect all religions, but we pay homage to our most ancient roots first. we intermarry, everyone hangs out...
albanian rule: albanian first (ancient identity), religion second ("gift" of various colonialists)
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
and just from a scientific point of view, cultural/anthropological/psychological, we as albanians recognize very strong persistence of certain motifs that are found in concentrated forms throughout albania and in more diluted forms among our neighbors. these motifs are in music, dance, costume and tradition. and the more we interact with get to know arvanites (working for them, hanging out, etc.) the more we can feel those similarities.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
and the idea that somehow arvanites have nothing in common with albanians is just completely false. the fact of their resistance is the primary characteristic of albanian culture throughout the world, we are very much like the jewish culture in that sense. we adapt well everywhere, ottoman empire, byzantium, rome, etc. but most do not assimilate. this is obviously true of the arvanites.
if the arvanites were pure greeks as you say, then they would not keep the name "arvnanite" (albanian).
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
and finally, our history has been rewritten in your books over the past 100 years and great pressure has been brought on the arvanites to "prove" greekness. if you bring that together with the global "urbanization" movement, and the desire of small town kids to be big city kids, it is natural that our albanian language, which was maintained for centuries, has finally started to give away ONLY in the past 50 years as a result of kids moving to athens & other big cities & wanting feel homogenous.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
the separation between us occurred as a result of many factors, including distance, a shift in religious affiliation, the reality of invaders (they focused much more heavily on Kruja then Morea patrioti), the policies of the church as well as the Porte (ottomans), which banned our language and taught only greek (for christians) and turkish (for muslims).
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
i am not advocating any changes in borders or political affiliations, let me be clear. those days are over, and a new unified europe is a much more beautiful vision than small tribes fighting for influence over tiny pieces of land.
what we are talking about here is dignity and truth and reconciliation. from our point of view, this means an end to denying the influence of albanian culture on your society, solely on religious grounds. that is why our connection with arvanites is so important.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
another element you do not grasp is the extent to which conscious systematic interference in the affairs of the arvanites, was orchestrated by the eastern church. this is perhaps too painful for you to accept because today your society is so small, and religion and state are not separated (as in the rest of europe). in addition, your society is lacking in any creative or progressive drive forward (just an honest fact, i hope it will change), and that makes it difficult to look in the mirror.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
You think that the Arvanites Are Greeks is only a Churche?
You think that Arvanites can go live along with SHIT-PTARS?
they will never gonna stop fight for their homeland Greece
and never gonna stop Sing:Boukoure More!
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
our relations with the church are typicals though we were always fighters. our relations with greece always essentials. this is what nowdays albanians who change their greek concience cant understand at all!
Bourimiri 2 years ago
there is no doubt a greek component to this, i don't deny it. in fact, contrary to what you may think, i actually believe we were much closer in the past. the point you don't seem to be able to ponder is that albanians also have a very intense "practice against foreign influence", that is what has enabled us to maintain our language and identity as an oral culture & tradition! in this sense, the "greek practice" does not even compare, since it can always rely on physical relics & nostalgia.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
thracian'on-dope' since when is byril the same as burris (illyrian for man aswell) since u claim it to be a latin root word?...fool...arvanites are nothing if u cant admit your origins!...u are nothing i repeat that...the only reason u are even mentioned in records as fighting in the greek revolution is because u 'WERE' albanians!..common sense..why would anyone mention a group of people with a different name if they were the same people (greeks)????.
albomaniac 2 years ago
our relations with the church are typicals though we were always fighters. our relations with greece always essentials. this is what nowdays albanians who change their greek concience cant understand at all!
Bourimiri 2 years ago
"The object they have in view is the Hellenisation of Albania. The whole of the southern portion carries its commerce through Janina and the inhabitants regard this town as their capital. As yet their aspirations to form a distinct nationality are thought to be weak and ill-defined, so that the Greeks hope, with the possession of Janina, to amalgamate the two races and gain over to the cause of Hellenism the finest and most warlike race in southern Europe."
-Times of London (1878)
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
BalkanShithead
The Greece is the 2 country that Feeds albos after E.U union and Donation of money....
First look to make A country and then speak about the others...have a good day (Λεμε τωρα)
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
fuk you thracianDope, you are not even thracian, you are a modern hyper-nationalist fool, educated by malakas with a political agenda that includes usurpation of all the neighboring cultures and traditions and the denial of the war crimes that characterize your nation's "modern" history.
megalos malakas! LOL... you have so many albanians in your country, arvanites that freed you from ottoman tyranny, your first two presidents were arvanite, so much of your modern culture comes from us. malaka.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
stop using the term, from us. you albanians are an historical O. we arvanites are everything. go away.....
Bourimiri 2 years ago
BalkanShithead...
The problem is not on the greeks that hate Albanians...
the Problem is on Albanians make the Greeks hate them
Albanians must first be *Human* and then to support them...
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
and today, while your nation remains a fat lazy feta-cheese republic, you are LUCKY to have hardworking albanians coming to save your asses again from disintegration...
and as has been the case many times throughout history, we are rising within in the south balkans.
you are so brainwashed to HATE albanians, it's sad, but the upside is that you have no idea who you are dealing with patrioti...
keep up the hate speech and racism... let's see what happens...
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
You call us GayGreeks
you call us Feta-Republick
you call us Turko-kurds people
and after All this...
the Greeks are Brainwashed to hate albanians,and we speak about ratsim...
ok... !!
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
i have never used these terms, only "feta-cheese republic" and anyway that is endearing because we all love feta cheese, so c'mon.
suddenly the great greek warrior is so sensitive?
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
When u gonna learn what Ελλην means come find me..
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
it used to mean openness and dynamic assimilation and integration of the greatest thoughts, ideas and imagination that could be gathered together and understood by human beings.
today it means fundamentalist religious doctrine, extreme nationalism and crimes against humanity. in other words, NOTHING DO TO WITH HELLENISM AT ALL.
so forget your pretentious sentence patrioti, you have no idea what it means to be albanian. WE are the preservers of the ancient identity, that's why we include you.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
though you sometimes don't deserve it... what a crazy education system you have over there... completely out of touch with all that is happening in europe...
bro, come visit albania, tirana is fun place. you will be welcomed with open arms, believe me. you really don't know us at all.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
look. you must be pround of arvanites because they are not at all open mind. this is the reason why they kept their traditions etc. arvanites believe only to their strength and to their god. they ll never change their ideas. you try to show them another way. its impossible. believe me. thats why albanians have so much transformations but arvanites dont have any one. you are lucky but unlucky the same time! lol
Bourimiri 2 years ago
minorities often become hardened and stubborn when they are living in a land that wishes to assimilate them through coercion, especially Albanians. anywhere you go, you will find Albanians are persistent and insulated, this is how they have kept their language over incredible lengths of time, without the benefit of large scale funding from romantic western europeans.
you simply prove my point that they are proud albanians living in a land which has challenged their existence. very courageous.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
you are nothing. if someone preservs something this is arvanites not you. you preserve just the ottoman point of view. such a pitty and shame on you
Bourimiri 2 years ago
You like it or Not
ARVANITES WILL FIGHT FOR GREECE
FOR HELLENISM
FOR ORTHODOXY
not people like SHIT-PTAR
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
u are Uneducated
Βυρηλ=the root of the word
NOT the word..
Go to school and then come to speak
(if u have Schools in Alba-banania)
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
shall we all attend the schools you have attended ThracianRopeADope? a nation in which the very curriculum is influenced by ignorant uneducated religious clerics? the only nation in Europe that has not officially separated religion and state?
you are a feta-cheese republic patrioti, one that has received massive aid from the U.S., NATO and Europe and even after 65+ years of relative freedom, you are still the poorest of the original EU member states.
what are you talking about bro.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
JA po shihet qe jeni grek jeni e thiken ta futja ne bythe grekut qe te ka asimilu
24061969ceri 2 years ago
PO e tregojke nje histori po ku po doni mu ba ju arvanitet ma grek se greku po vet fjala Arvanite eshte nje emer ofendus per ju qe ju bajn greket sikur na ne KOSOVE qe ju thojm sllave(serbve) SHKIJE Zgjohi popull Arvanit e mos mbani kryet ne hi e ndiheni vehten krenar qe jeni Shqiptar se neper trojet Shqiptare shum fe kan kalu e kurr skan mujt me asimilu e juve pak rrugen e kini lshu aje popull qe e mohon prejardhjen vet eshte i destinum mu zhduk po dhashte zoti e ju bjen nder MEND
24061969ceri 2 years ago
ik qen turkoshkipetar
Bourimiri 2 years ago
hej burrmiri nrroje emrin se po flliqun shqipen e uneNUK jam turkoskipetar po JAM ILIROSHQIPETAR
24061969ceri 2 years ago
ik re. ketu ja grekia de arvanitet jan tere greket. nuk ja servia ketu. ketu kriete sa te grihen bien gka thika
Bourimiri 2 years ago
Po kjo gjuha e Arvanitve eshte nji dijalekt shum i vjeter qe vjen nga Ilirshtja edhe pse jam nga KOSOVA une e kuptova krejt kjo eshte edhe nje deshmi qe Arvanitet kan nje prejardhje Ilire dhe jemi te nje gjaku kjo eshte nje gje e bukur .mos harroni Arvanite. FEJA E SHQIPETARIT ESHTE SHQIPERIA per shqiptarin e vertet nuka kisha e gjamia por feja e tij eshte vetem Shqiptaria rroft gjaku ILIR
24061969ceri 2 years ago
gka greket vjen gliouha arvaniste. shkip vjen gka tourkia
Bourimiri 2 years ago
PHAAAAA qfar kodoshi shqipja vjen nga Turqishtja po shtaze te koke hahahahahahahahahahahaha sja vlen me komentu me kso njerz te asimilum po GREKET VIJNE NGA AFRIKA MOORE PO NEJSE TI RRUGES TANE E UNE TEMES SE GJAKU UJ GRKU TU PASKA BA HE MEDET PER MARKO BUCARIN E BUBULINEN qka kan lan mbrapa
24061969ceri 2 years ago
e entaksei dn eimai kai episthmonas.milao me thn aploysteri glossa ths logikhs.
filippos1988 2 years ago
just what i expected thracianrhodope to lecture me about my own language and not answer the question...WELL?...what does bourimiri mean in greek?...BIG FAT NOTHING!...it means the same thing in albanian though...burr i mir = man is good or in plain english good man...just a shame that this guy is no where near the good man he claims to be!
albomaniac 2 years ago
Βουρι=εκ του Βυριλ =ο αρρενωπος ,ο αρσενικος-( λατινικης ριζας)=ο Ανδρας
Ιμιρ/μιρι=ο ημερος,ο αγαθος ανθρωπος
( Ελληνικης ριζας)
τα αλβανικα που κολανε?
Τα αλβανικα οπως και το λατινικο αλφαβητο που χρησιμοποιουν διημιουργηθηκε τον 20ο αιωνα!
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Τα Αρβανιτικα ειναι Αρχαιο-ελληνικα με πολλες επιδρασεις (λατινικες)λογω της Ρωμαικρατιας που συνεχιζοταν επιμονα γυρω απο το θεμα Δυρραχιου/Επιδαμνου!
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Φιλε μου ...Η Γλωσσα ειναι η ελληνικη,η αρβανιτικη ειναι μια Διαλεκτος με ιδιωμα που ομιλουταν στο θεμα ιλλυρικο και αργοτερα στο θεμα Δυρραχιο-αυτη η διαλεκτος δεν θεωρητε γλωσσα γιατι δεν ειναι τοσο πλουσια (οσο η Ελληνικη) ωστε να μπορεσει να εχει βαση..!
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
u in greece speak the purest idiom of shit!!...if u cant admit that your language is majority albanian with a few greek words mixed in...those foreign words u talk about are present in arvanite aswell...tell me why doesnt a greek know what bourimiri means if it is a greek language?...thracian rhodope what does bourimiri mean in greek?
albomaniac 2 years ago
e eleos dld.agorina moy glykia h glossa poy milas sto video opos kai na to kaneis einai h glossa mas ton alvanon.dn milame entelos diaforetika.
filippos1988 2 years ago
τι φταιμε εμεις που μιλατε το ιδιωμα μας? γιατι γλωσσα δεν ειναι. γλωσσα ειναι τα ελληνικα!
Bourimiri 2 years ago
how do you explain that in korca there are 0 greeks,while in himara there are lots of them?simple logic,koritsa is albanian,if i were the president of albania,i would return himara and girokastre to greece,because i wouldn t like people like bolanos in albania who do things against the law,and i would like the greeks to be in their land
Albania455 2 years ago
Put the video in English please!
picanu 2 years ago
this video is only for arvanites+Arbereshe
not albanians Romanians Spanish etc...sorry
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
in korytsa there are greeks?hahahahahahahahahahaha nice joke,korytsa is 100% albanian,i am from korytsa and i know what is going on,you poor greeks,you think that in korytsa there are greeks,hahaha
Albania455 2 years ago
there are greeks only in himara and argyriokastro,not in korutsa,haha,greeks in korutsa
Albania455 2 years ago
we have a lot of koritsa people here...
none of them albanian..
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
and "where"is here?there are 0 greeks in koritsa.I go there every summer,there are zero greeks,not a single greek word can be heard
Albania455 2 years ago
if you continue your insults you ll be blocked and refered to yt for your offensive practise
Bourimiri 2 years ago
Well, first of all there are documents of Kastrioti in Albanian. There are also in vulgar Latin, Italian, etc.
Let's not make Arvanitika a dialect of Greek, because it is ridiculous as a statement. Please find me scholar that had said that.
BeratLA 2 years ago
never something supporting by the entire of greek arvanites of greece is redicule. if you want to represent it like that its your problem. but not ours in any case. you persuade only yourselves and your so little country. we the arvanites of greece of course are more from the entire of your country
Bourimiri 2 years ago
I know very good Greek
and i know that Arvanitic is Greek Dialect
and i can understand them...
Like Cretan-Cypriot-Pontic-Thracian...etc
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
i also know
that Scientis have search and find Slavic-latin-Greek(even ancient) is a mix of Todays Albanians-Shqipe
who standarize in 20 centure
ThracianRhodope 2 years ago
Btw, you can stop responding now. Im pretty much done. Have a good life aner agathos. Ju lumt gjuha jote arberishta, gjuha e stergyshrit e mi. LOl
Ermal8711 2 years ago
The only why you call it propaganda is because it doesnt appeal to you. They can just as well claim that what you write is propaganda. Because your an Arvanitis doesnt immediately train you in medieval history. Those writers have no reason to lie and spread 'propaganda'. They are simply studying, as all anthropologists do. You are the one who actually carries biases, your hatred of Albanians is clearly a motivation for what you create and how you view things. This bias perverts....
Ermal8711 2 years ago
historians of now days are directed from matters of foreing office politics of every country. but historians of the past have recorded. but the great rerord is our language,., a pure ancient greek idiom. look at my profile what write just now some albanians and greeks and get educated!
Bourimiri 2 years ago
No need to look at your profile. I can pick up real literature and get a picture of reality, works published in universities all over the world, accepted by professional people, professors and intellectuals and admitted by logical and intelligent Greeks. As for your 'pure Gree idiom', lol, Arvanitika is an Albanian idiom. That is universally recognized. But I would like it if you stopped speaking our language....
Ermal8711 2 years ago
i ll never stop talking our idiom because we ll not give it to you. as well as there is only one greek arvanite on the planet speaking arvanist, you ll never become the oweners of that idiom. you just keep speaking albanian....
Bourimiri 2 years ago
Okay whatever, keep in mind that your dialect is disappearing. In fact, you guys are nearing extinction. Many of your compatriots are even afraid to speak it. In one more generation you dialect of Albanian will disappear once and for all... lol, but your spirit, keep our, Albanian, language alive. LOL!!
Ermal8711 2 years ago