CARL ROGERS AND GLORIA - COUNSELLING - PT 4

[truvelocity]

Fathers. Ugh. They are so distant to their little girls after they hit puberty. It truly messes them up.

[spritchard64]

Beyond the obvious awe of watching a master in the field working...I can't help but notice the lasting impact this one woman, and one session, has had on a great number of people in the world. Searcing the net, one finds reverberations and discussions of this session and of Gloria, to this day. Amazing...

[legaldilemna]

Love the bit around 2mins when the camera looks up her dress!

[truvelocity]

@legaldilemna She is attractive. Women so have it difficult in a man's world.

[MrMarafi]

I love them both. I can not wait to become a counsellor! My god i know how she feels about her dad!

[b5e5n1n9y86]

That is such an intense moment when he says "You look to me like a pretty nice daughter", she looks like she wants to burst into tears and does shed a few later on, amazing, the second he says it her entire demeanor changes.

[tasterschoice187]

During this session Carl is letting her answer her own qustion of right and wrong and she has inside her what it take to get to the bottom of her issue, she just wants someone else to confirm what she has already concluded. BUT has not yet put in action, She is just like all the rest of us: "meaning" we have what it takes to get beyound our issues of life, but often we want someone else to agree with our actions, of us not being sure of ourself... BUT we have what it takes, inside

[pedagogyagent]

Ibsen + Husserl + Dh Lawrence = Carl Rogers .

[Mgonzalezblue]

I was by this session. In the first half, Carl reflects very in line with her words, her expressions. This seems to relax her and also to build trust in their relationship. Half way through there is a shift as he starts making more pointed reflections that really make her reflect more deeply. Her voice gets stronger and he matches her energy. It's powerful that he did not "help" her make the decision about talking to the daughter as it became clear that the issue was much deeper.

[Habdirayman]

In all my practice sessions in person centred counselling, I always have to fight my inner want to direct the conversation when I see a route that should be taken. In this case when I was listening and she mentioned Utopia I felt that the subject of perfection should of been delved into but it wasn't and I thought that was a missed opportunity but when it came full circle to mentioning perfection again I knew my attitude and want to direct was wrong and that he delt with it "perfectly" nice work

[ThumbOfMeganFox]

@Habdirayman haha that's interesting. you're right, though. it wouldn't be person centered if you directed it. i'm not sure if i'm right in this but if one were to 'delve' into a topic their client mentioned then there isn't really a way of following the client's thought process, therefore not allowing them to draw their own conclusions, correct? as well as making things less simple for them & their ability to draw their own conclusions? i say this in regards to the Rogerian method of therapy.

[1254261]

1:53 boob shot FTW

[revivalnow]

At 8.10 he says she looks like a 'pretty nice daughter' resulting in a long silence where Gloria's eyes face down, perhaps in emotional contemplation. This was a bold statement in Rogers words to something she brought out of the blue. This boldness worked out of an empathetic understanding, which manifested a deeper emotional trouble of the father-daughter relationship, an issue which may not have presented without Roger's statement

[davidsili]

Now do you think that she could also come out of the session with different set of beliefs that do not conflict with each other (by eliminating other beliefs that conflicted within her)? They were also her beliefs.

I believe that by choosing different questions, Carl could have helped her come by her self to a set of beliefs different than she came to. Maybe he helped her to accept what set of belief would be most comfortable for her? A personal comfort?

[RichBrIs]

@davidsili

The way I see it, not all beliefs are created equal. There's what she really values, and there's various other "conditions for self worth" she's picked up from other people; parents society etc. The goal of this therapy as I understand it is to help someone contact their values and act in line with them, and be less governed by their limiting conditioning that they've picked up along the way.

[davidsili]

@RichBrIs But if she is stripped of her beliefs that she picked up along the way, than what beliefs are left to her. Aren't all beliefs picked up along the way in our life? Maybe, if you agree, he encourages her to get rid of beliefs that contradict with the belief that she is most valued by her. Right?

[RichBrIs]

@davidsili Yeah, thats a valid way of looking at it.

Maybe all beliefs were picked up or learned, but there do seem to be some important dividing categories of "belief" - some are what you REALLY want, some are what you feel you "should" do. I'd argue that those beliefs that correlate to what she REALLY wants are far more resilent and persistent. Maybe even impossible to "strip" from her - perhaps even represented by different types of neural nets in the brain.. who knows.

[davidsili]

I agree with you about when the process is most profitable to the patient. But consider this. Very often person has got various beliefs and they all "sit in her head" and often they are in conflict with each other if that person did not take time to clarify her thoughts. When Carl Rogers was talking to her, he did lead her to bring her own decision, and by doing so he helped her eliminate other beliefs that were in conflict with the one she ended up having on the end of the session.

[davidsili]

So, what he did was actually helped her to bring decision by her self with only allowing her to recognize by her self how irealistic some of her views were. Only when she said them out loud did she understand. Although, by focusing your questions on some areas, and totally avoiding other questions, also LEADS the patient to THINK that she came up to that by her self.

[RichBrIs]

@davidsili I'd actually say it's deeper than that -seems to me he's not trying to impose his values and lead her in any direction, but actually help her come into contact with her OWN values, and reach a course of action based on those. I guess the more the therapist is able to do this and keep from imposing his own values, the more profitable the therapeutic process.

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[AznBoiSings]

Rogers I believe uses a lot of reflection it helps the client address their own problems without the true guidance of the therapist, but a therapist has to have great active listening skills in order to accurately reflect back.

[robboholic]

go to confession for your sins deal with the guilt, then be honest to your daughter, becuase being dishonest will grow a larger monster

[lupe556]

what happened @ 1:53, lol

[bryantqwanesha]

His strategy is indeed amazing. I don't believe in curing or treatment when it comes to therapy. The goal should be to help someone "become," not to fix people. Way to go Rogers!

[linusmellumnav]

Amazing how Carl says so little , stays completely with the clients agenda and reflects the clients inner choices.

[scrubs21]

I was a skeptic when before i started watching these videos, i believed Rogers's approach was far too subjective and personal. however, you can see it really does work......Gloria is beginning to come into her own and make her decisions based on her opinions not based on what Rogers's is saying. I have to say it must be hard to refrain from giving direct advice as a therapist!

[seyoumeye]

Once a society is deliberately controlled in expressing its "internal desire" then it becomes painful to speak or behave publicly in fulfilling your inner desire...blame the institutions, religion and corporate consumerism image that dictate an utterly false life-style...only wisdom can set you free.

[TheF0nz1]

Gloria wants answers that are within herself. She sounds like a wonderful mother who just wants to protect her daughter whilst exploring her own desires.

[sdilaimi1]

Her daughter is only 9 what the hell is wrong with this selfish woman. She cant accept herself, why would she want to tell her daughter

[jadreemah]

What a great demonstration! I think Rogers comment of her being a nice daughter was an awesome display of "realness, genuiness...Gloria was having some really good breakthroughs. Roger's ability to empathize with her was amazing. Great video

[guinnessgunius]

He is allowing himself to be genuine and this is also a self-disclosure, a way of being with client that is different from formal schools of psychoanalysis. I think it's a powerful way to connect to Gloria but also to give an implicit message of "I can listen to my feelings about what I like (you look like a good daughter) and it's ok and it's ok for you as well."

[willluvsamba]

he's pretty much guiding her to finding her own answers within herself. it's such an amazing strategy he is using. he seems so reassuring, so calm, and so easy to trust.

[s1dd99]

thats counselling in a nutshell

[endtroducing]

I would love to have a therapist like Carl Rogers. Although pushing clients may be effective in some cases, he is showing her that she knows deep down what she wants. Acceptance is key.

[brainbid]

She almost looked like she was about to cry in those brief moments after his "You look to me like a pretty nice daughter" comment, she seemed so moved by it.

[MadameBeekeeper]

"You look to me like a pretty nice daughter". Probably one of the most beautiful moments I've known.

[Rutita1]

I agree. The congruence/empathy/emotion between them was beautiful.

[ytcomposer]

Absolutely. I saw this video in a Theories class, and I thought it was a golden statement. It's weird, though...some of the yound ladies in my class took offense to him saying it, almost as though they thought he was overstepping ethical boundaries or something. I took it as "you seem like you were probably a good daughter to me," but maybe they heard him wrong. They made a big deal of it, which kind of spoiled the moment. :S

[Biscuit213]

I think what was happening between Rogers and Gloria in that moment was what is referred to as transference/countertransferen­ce. Rogers type of therapy is not one in which the therapist steps back away from those moments and interprets them (as in psychoanalysis), rather it is one in which acceptance of the client takes priority, which is what Rogers was doing when he said "you look like a pretty nice daughter". No boundaries were crossed, only a difference in perspective.

[ytcomposer]

Quite right.

[baloo5181]

@Biscuit213 Interesting interpretation of Humanistic Psychology. The entire reason client centered therapy is successful is because it helps the client discover their own personal beliefs and answers to the problems they face rather than being a program driven therapy with a lack of looking to inside problems and issues and addressing them in a rational way. He politely reflects back each statement in an empathetic manner and that opens up trust.

[JacarenoEspaco]

What he said is beautiful. It seems that she needed some word like that. The conflict she have had bettween family and morals. The acceptance from her father etc. Great video

[ytcomposer]

Indeed.

[skinanink]

Propertymania,nothing to do with divorce starts in childhood,TA would describe parts as the adapted child vs free child. plus a hell of a lot more beside.Carl Rogers is the most compassionate man I have heard talk within counselling.Many thanks for this video.

[propertymania]

Shes feeling guilty for the kids because she maybe responsible for the divorce? Just a thought!

[Rutita1]

You may be right about the guilt regarding the divorce but I sensed that it was the guilt about not being 'perfect' is where it really stemed from.

[jsarapoff]

It takes two persons to make a marriage and it also takes two persons for a divorce...

[imfeliz202]

His words offer such gentle enlightenment without judgement. He really was an extraordinary guide, who was able to tell her that he wants her to do what's right for her. Thanks for sharing this amazing video of the caring Carl Rogers and the honesty of Gloria. This segment is, to me, the most meaningful because she seems to come to the heart of the value conflict and find its basis in her childhood and bring it around to now. Fabulous!