they can neither add to or subract from Torah. explain talmud. jew spirtual ISRAEL is for all dare. you use. rabbi sinner. and TIME FOR JOSHUA'S JUDGEMENT IS YOURS. go with Yasuha Brother. with love. no pagen christian . you cant serve two.
That was fast, yet well done! I also have marveled at how some people try so hard to stake a Jewish lineage for themselves. We all are what we are in Christ! OAN; What version of bible are you using? I like the Hebrew name "Yeshua".
#2 You shall have no other gods... messianic christians (not jews since they have forsaken H'), break that by doing idolatry, here is christianity in a nutshell (with preschool math), if you have thre apples its 1+1+1=3, if you word it differernt to try to make people assimilate to those lies they try to tell you that its not this way, when in reality is absolute idolatry.
@mexcad when you dare to judge whole nation,than you are forsaking Jesus Christ.What do you know about teaching of Christ?Did he ever judge anyone? Also. I do not agree with messianic belief that state of Israel is fulfillment of God s promises. Bible speak about spiritual Israel. What he is saying is pure nationalism. And nationalism is satanic ideology.I am Israeli,but I do not live there anymore, and for sometime I was messianic Jew. But this ideology do not have base in Bible.
only christianity predicts the rise of a one world religious leader, who will have white skin and red eyes; if anyone worships him, they'll burn in hell. also, if anyone takes the chip and green electronic skin tattoo with sixes (that will be given when one stretches their hand to receive a new small grey world passport), they'll burn in hell too. also, it's important to note that if anyone will go into a ufo ship to be healed, they're in trouble. why?'cause ufo aliens are demons.research this
I am not Jewish, but agree with this man. As a Christian, I can see where our "freedom" has often led to lasciviousness. Thanks to Constantine, we have thrown out the baby with the bathwater with regard to Christianity's Jewish roots.
@Menechem The view that God has abandoned Torah completely in favor of a New Covenant is simply not that which was intended through Scripture. Yeshua himself exhorts in Matthew 5, "Don't think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete. Yes, I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud or a stroke will pass from the Torah - not until everything that must happen has happened."
@TikkunMinistries Juster you're dead wrong! Let us examine what I sent you via you're YouTube inbox, because I discuss the whole issue of Matthew 5:18, and what the LORD Jesus Christ said in Mat 24:35 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away" (HCSB), So either He's contradicting Himself (WHICH GOD CANNOT DO, JESUS IS GOD THE SON,I'M TRINATARIAN),or He's establishing HIS TORAH,ISA. 2:2-4 COMING TO PASS.AS THE TORAH WENT FROM SINAI,THE CHANGE OF TORAH (HEB. 7),JERUSALEM.
You know what I find interesting ???????? is that when we find ourselves in his presense and I mean truly In the midst of his magesty; all of this debate and theological kerfuffle is absolutely and totaly laid bare for what it truly is........and I guess what I'm trying to say is said best by Paul in 2 Tim. 2; 23-27........... neverthe less being a relatively new believer I love learning anything that can help strengthen my faith...as he says Faith comes by hearing the word of God.
@thatsmrtoyoubuddy I don't spend much time worrying about over who God is. I prefer to believe that there is a power or life force of some type out there, perhaps the sum total of all natural laws. I have to need to "debunk" that. Of course, this same "God" isn't tied to just Christians - it's the same power for all of us in spite of what we choose to believe. What I do debunk is the pagan based man god story invented by Paul. I do accept that a fully human Jewish teacher might have lived.
and many people who say they are belivers, will not enter into the kingdom of god..so, we must stop being selfish.. and understand that even if you cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven help another person enter..in this way..you gain honor for the father and the son..by simply denying yourself and carrying your cross behind the lord. Our lord came to serve, not to be served..we are unworthy servents..so, drop the pride and aggrogance because jesus hates it..we must be humble and forgiving.
we must find some common grounds.. and our faith in the lord jesus christ is that ground...why do we divide ourselves rather than try to unite? if one is willing to talk to another, can we not break bread together in the lord's name? if we disagree, then we must speak on why we disagree.. we have to stop being foolish.. yes, many of the jewish people won't be saved..but, many of the gentiles won't be saved as well.. there will be more people in hell than heaven.
@TyrellTLyles and our faith in the lord jesus christ is that ground..."
No the faith in the sacrifice of Jesus is the dividing factor. The Christian man-god Jesus who died for others sins is a totally pagan concept and doesn't come from Judaism. In Judaism each person is responsible for atonement of his own sins. No one else can do it for him. In Judaism, you must earn the chance to enter into enternal life. In Christianity, you get a free ride based on a pagan tale of a sacrificed god.
@Matthew1944 did the preist sacrifice the lamb or the offering for the people or not? .. i can also see.. your insinuating that christ is a pagan god...
@TyrellTLyles did the preist sacrifice the lamb or the offering for the people or not? .. "
Leviticus outlines the exact way to sacrifice and that was ONLY for inadvertant sins. Can you point out where the method for human sacrifice is described? Would you like to read Deuteronomy where God says that he abhors human sacrifice such as the pagans do? Did you know human sacrifice was forbidden to the Jews?
@Matthew1944 do you you deny the fact that the father said he would make a *new covenant* with the house of israel and write the law on their hearts and minds?
@Matthew1944 do you wear 2 differnt types of cloth? do you trim the side of you beard? how is that you speak like you follow the torah and the tanakh yet, you lead sheep astray..
@Matthew1944 yes the books of moses.. but, as you said only the fundamentalsist only take it litterlally...so, what is it that you follow? if it is not the torah or tanakh or the brit hadasha.. why is that you choose to turn me from the messiah? it is because you do the works of you father.. who/ which is satan.
@TyrellTLyles Fundamentalists only comprise some 20% of Christians and it is they who take every word of the bible literally. The rest of Christians as do the Jews realize that some of it is the credulous thinking of primitive people. I don't care whether you believe in the Jesus man-god story. I am telling you though that there was Jesus the fully human Jewish teacher as separate from Jesus, the man-God of Paul who came along 30 or more years later.
@Matthew1944 ok, I only belive in jesus the christ the son of the living god..not the one Catholics preach or any church only the christ in scripture.. that the father begot and promised would save us from our sins.
@TyrellTLyles ok, I only belive in jesus the christ the son of the living god........that the father begot and promised would save us from our sins.
If you want to believe that, That's OK - it's your Pauline Christian belief. In Jesus time, before the advent of your kind of Christianity(Pauline) , it was believed (and just as Jews, Ebionites and Noahides believe ) only you and no one else can atone for your own sins.
@TyrellTLyles only the spiling of blood can atone for sins.. that is jesus the christ blood.."
Blood sacrifice was not a necessity in Jesus' time. Even flour could be offered. And sacrifice was done only for inadvertant sins. For deliberate sins, one had to right the wrong commited, repent and pray directly to God for forgiveness.
@Matthew1944 and the father will.. I just hope and pray you and I and many others.. names are written into the lamb's book of life and make it into new jerusalem.
@Matthew1944 ...if you wish to deny the cross and the christ.. and wish to oppose god the father and his son jesus the christ.. you condemn yourself..and if you claim to father the father you must also have the son.. but, if you speak against and/or hate the son you do not have the father...
@TyrellTLyles and wish to oppose god the father and his son jesus the christ.. you condemn yourself"
Nonsense. It simply means that I don't believe a pagan story. God said "Hosea 13:4 - Yet I am YHWH your G-d from the land of Egypt; and you shall know no god but me, and besides me there is no Savior.
@Matthew1944 that is true you shall no know god but, the god of israel as i do..and obviuosly he *yeshua* is the savior...the messiah for the jew and gentile..
@TyrellTLyles That is where Christianity and Judaism split ways. The God of Israel and Abraham is one indivisible God and the Jesus who the Jewish Christians, including the apostles, followed was a man. The Christian God is a triune God and Jesus becomes a pagan man-God.
@TyrellTLyles That is where Christianity and Judaism split ways. The God of Israel and Abraham is one indivisible God and the Jesus who the Jewish Christians, including the apostles, followed was a man. The Christian God is a triune God and Jesus becomes a pagan man-God.
@TyrellTLyles God is one, with 3 natures, that he has revealed to us. The father, son and holy spirt."
The have a "son" who is part of a trinity, one must have a man-god and that concept is strictly of pagan origin. Matthew 28:19 is a Christian interpolation.
@Matthew1944 you belive the son of god was inserted? the son of god is the first creation over all things before you and I and the heavens and the earth..everything.. the father said man is like "Us" now.. he was speaking to his son..
@TyrellTLyles you belive the son of god was inserted?"
Eusebius, Church historian and Bishop of Caesarea, quoted from an unaltered book of Matthew that he had in his library in Caesarea - an original book or the first copy of the original - Jesus' actual words to his disciples in the original text of Matthew 28:19: "With one word and voice He said to His disciples: "Go, and make disciples of all nations in My Name, teaching them to observe all things whatsover I have commanded you."
the old testament is the jewish bible..the tankh..i mean..what more do you need? the brit hadasha ( the new testament) was written by mostly jewish people.. our lord for instance is jewish.. christianity is nothing more than a branch on the tree of judism.. don't you understand that gentiles sinners are dogs? this why the woman said even the dogs eat the crumbs from the master's table.. (the crumbs from the bread of life (jesus) we are saved..yes..but salvation came from the jews.
@TyrellTLyles the new testament) was written by mostly jewish people"
The authors of the gospels are anonymous and were not eye witnesses. Paul wrote most of the rest of the NT but he was sent from Rome and most likely a Herodian - aspiring to be a Jew. Pauline Christianity is nothing like judaism - not even the same tree, let alone a branch. Jesus didn't preach to Gentiles and stated that he had been sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.
@Matthew1944 the lord's word are spirt.. so, even if he talked to someone which was *not* a jew it still touched them in the same way the gospel would..
@Matthew1944 because it's the truth and his words are life and spirt.. you don't know his voice because you are not one of his sheep or/ and you do not have his seed in you..at this time..
i just really hope and pray that the church will turn from teaching anti semitesim.. the jews did not kill the lord.. the master said himself.. that he lays he's life down himself and picks up because he has been given the power to do so. Alot of these comments are, just another sign that the body of christ diputes against itself.. we as a people need to come together as the master prayed for..instead of opress one another.. because your opressing yourself as well
@TyrellTLyles Wrong. By believing Jesus is a God and asking God to help "in Jesus name" is putting another god before HaShem himself and that is idolatry. God said "Hosea 13:4 4 Yet I am YHWH your G-d from the land of Egypt; and you shall know no god but me, and besides me there is no Savior.
@Matthew1944 so, now your telling me that you do know the master's ways and not to read the works of the other apostles because they did not write them..as though you know..as though you were there.. as though you belive..how is it that you can critcize the new testament and belive so, dearly in the old testament as though you know for sure that god the father gave you the torah..as though you were there..
More ranting, TV? No one living was there but there are many historical writings and there are many scholars who study them. The apostles were poor and illiterate and spoke Aramaic and Hebrew. The NT was written in Greek 30-60 years later. The OT is a book of history, poetry and law, not magic god-men.
@Matthew1944 in the book of daniel when the hebrew boys were put into the flames for not worshipshipping the king or his gods, did the soldier not say " there are 4 in the flame now and one looks as though he were the son of god"?
@TyrellTLyles in the book of daniel when the hebrew boys were put into the flames for not worshipshipping the king or his gods, did the soldier not say " there are 4 in the flame now and one looks as though he were the son of god"?"
@TyrellTLyles there are 4 in the flame now and one looks as though he were the son of god"?
The original unedited text Daniel 325 reads " He answered and said: 'Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods ".'
@Matthew1944 is that the original king james bible 1611 or the tankh (what year)? if it isn't 1611 KJV, I would defintaly beware of it.. because the devil has went as far as to tamper with god's precious word.. just as in the old testament it read Yahweh..now because jews don't say the father's name anymore it has been changed to lord many places where he's name was orginally...if these are original scripture you read from it would/will say *son of god* not " son of gods "
To live one's life according to a few questionable writings, To believe in and talk to imaginary friends. To live in illusion and fantasy. To be so entirely convinced that one's views are absolute truth....
It sounds a lot like serious mental illness to me.....
please, spend several days in a natural place. Take food and water as we do not want any further hallucinations. Except for in your thoughts, where is this Isreal, God, Jesus etc....
Dr. Daniel Juster of Tikkun International presents Messianic Theology in just 15 minutes"
I guess that's all it takes. It's Christianity in drag - people who are fundamentlst christians but keep Jewish festivals, wear Jewish garb and use some Jewish words. Sorry folks, the festivals, garb and words don't make you Jewish any more than living in a garage makes you a car. It also shows you ignorance of the Jewish faith and just why Christianity is a totally different religion.
@Matthew1944 2) They do all this to lure Jews who don't know their own religion well into thinking that somehow they are "completed" by believing in Jesus, whereas in fact, they are converting them to fundamentalist Christianity. Pretty crooked, I'd say!
@Matthew1944 The "Who is a Jew" question is admittedly a challenging one that not even the wider Jewish community has been able to define. This is why the Orthodox, Conservative, Reform branches -- and even atheist Jews -- have differing answers to this question. If part of the definition of who is a Jew includes lineage and blood line, then your statement that Messianic Judaism is "Christianity in drag" is not accurate, as being an authentic Messianic Jew includes undeniable Jewish descent.
@TikkunMinistries There is the verb "Jewish" and the noun "Jewish". If one converts to a belief in Jesus, one is a Christian - if that person is of Jewish (noun/verb) background, then that person is simply a christian of jewish origin - no longer considered to be a true Jew. In the Tanach, moshiach (messiah) is used 38 times: two patriarchs, six high priests, once for Cyrus, 29 Israelite kings such as Saul and David. Not once is the word moshiach used in reference to the awaited Messiah.
@Matthew1944 Though an interesting differentiation of the word "Jewish", it is not an accurate historical representation. The first followers of Yeshua continued to worship at the Temple and identify as members of the Jewish faith. For them, there was no discontinuity nor disingenuousness. A critical part of "identity" is "identification" -- identification with the People, the Land, and the God of Israel.
@TikkunMinistries The first followers of Yeshua continued to worship at the Temple and identify as members of the Jewish faith
True, but they were a section within Judaism, fully practicing Jews who believed Jesus to be a man, not a god. The beliefs of the Ebionites, descendants of Jesus direct followers, survive in the criticisms of Epiphanius and several other writers, attesting to this. Prophecies for a messiah in the Tanakh were for a fully human leader, not a God.
@Matthew1944 A read through the four Gospels clearly presents Yeshua as much more than "a man, not a god." Even most of the Sanhedrin were threatened, not by Yeshua's teachings, but rather what they felt were his blasphemous claims of unity and equality with God. Also, these fully practicing Jewish talmidim (disciples) did indeed believe Yeshua was one with God, as did the Roman soldier who participated in his crucifixion, and thousands more following Yeshua's resurrection.
@TikkunMinistries Of course, the gospels present Jesus as "more than a man". They all follow the pagan inspired virgin birth, god-man, sacrifice of self and resurrection upon which Christianity was born. The so-called Sanhedrin were Roman collaborators placed by Rome to keep the peace. Blasphemy would have been dealt with by stoning. His execution on the cross was a way of putting down a potential leader who might, with the Jews behind him, toss Rome out of Israel.
@TikkunMinistries "as did the Roman soldier who participated in his crucifixion, and thousands more following Yeshua's resurrection. "
And among these "thousands" nothing was written about the events until 30 years after his death? Those thousands included at least five excellent historians, including Philo whose relatives lived in Jerusalem and who was interested in afterlife. Nobody wrote a word because there was nothing incredible to write about.
@TikkunMinistries 3) The man-god of christianity came developed long after Jesus the man was dead. The disciples of Jesus believed he was the leader/ king of Jewish prophecy. This group eventually became Ebionites whose beliefs are preserved in the criticisms of Epiphaneus. They were declared heretics by the Roman church, hunted down and killed.
@TikkunMinistries Paul is the father of Christianity. Dat Kazav (Lying Religion, or Religion of Falseness) is a Hebrew term Ebionites used to describe Christianity that comes from the 'ish kazav (Lying Man, i.e., Liar) Paul of Tarsus.
@TikkunMinistries The Jews of the old testament, or the original Jews are still waiting for Elijah. Isiah stated Elijah will come to save them. How then does Jesus fit into it all?
Well brothers and sisters, I've been a christian since birth, study theology at Boston and for the past six months attending a Messianic Jewish Congregation Saturdays, and Presbyterian Church on Sundays here in Brasil. Point in differences of course we have. But I'd like the church to learn the respect, reverence, commitment and care for God's things as jewish do. I am keeping the Shabbat, avoiding some meat and studying the Torah every Saturday with my family. It's been a blessing, just that.
@mghleira that is really good :) keep up the studying and the observance of the Sabbath it is more important than u would think :) im a sabbath keeper too :) my test for you is this: Revelations 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." and if you read the next few verses the second coming of Jesus takes place. so these are the people who will be waiting for HIM. (remember keep His commandments! ALL of the TEN :) )
@barcafun100 Brother. Funny thing is, portuguese descendant, I remember my grandmother not eating some foods, never sweeping the house through the front door, and lightning candles Friday afternoon. I just asked my dad week ago, he said our great grandparents were jewish from Europe establishing in Portugal. Things are in motion in my life, and what I thought would be hard and difficult, my family has embraced the Sabbath - my wife and daughters. Pray for me, for us, brother.
@mghleira yeah i will definitely! you know i have heard a lot of stories about how people accepted the Sabbath, and how hard it was for them to "keep it Holy" but would God ask you something to do if it was not possible? NO. If God sees the willingness of your heart then He will bless you, and make every circumstance right so that you can keep His Holy day! God Bless you!
@mghleira But I'd like the church to learn the respect, reverence, commitment and care for God's things as jewish do. I am keeping the Shabbat, avoiding some meat and studying the Torah every Saturday with my family"
You'd be better to become a Noahide then, a righteous gentile. These messianic people are fundamentalist Christians without a clue what Judaism means.
This is outstanding teaching! I havent quite yet figured out my call in terms of mission but I feel a strong inclination towards the Messianic approach to our faith as it really realizes the idea of me as a gentile believer being grafted into the natural olive tree! I have come to the understanding of how Yeshua makes Jewish feasts complete and have an appreciation for Jewish history etc. I definitely want to gain more understanding. Being from Malta, I might need to go for distance learning!
@matmalta Shalom I am a Torah observant christian believer. I worship on the Shabbath as it is written in the scripture and the Shabbath is perpetual covenant between me and my Messiah. I don't blame worship on Sunday however observing the Shabbath is biblical. The sahbbath and all the feasts are not only for jewish for all believers ^^ which are never ever done away~~
@onething2002 I am a Torah observant christian believer"
If you are Torah observant and truly know the Jewish scriptures from the original, then you should know you cannot be a Christian believer. The God of the Jews is single and indivisible. By going through Jesus to get to God, you are placing other gods before him and that is idolatry.
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you have a pagen title Dr.
Renagadepatriot 2 weeks ago
they can neither add to or subract from Torah. explain talmud. jew spirtual ISRAEL is for all dare. you use. rabbi sinner. and TIME FOR JOSHUA'S JUDGEMENT IS YOURS. go with Yasuha Brother. with love. no pagen christian . you cant serve two.
Renagadepatriot 2 weeks ago
That was fast, yet well done! I also have marveled at how some people try so hard to stake a Jewish lineage for themselves. We all are what we are in Christ! OAN; What version of bible are you using? I like the Hebrew name "Yeshua".
NaturalRepublic 3 weeks ago
#2 You shall have no other gods... messianic christians (not jews since they have forsaken H'), break that by doing idolatry, here is christianity in a nutshell (with preschool math), if you have thre apples its 1+1+1=3, if you word it differernt to try to make people assimilate to those lies they try to tell you that its not this way, when in reality is absolute idolatry.
mexcad 1 month ago
@mexcad when you dare to judge whole nation,than you are forsaking Jesus Christ.What do you know about teaching of Christ?Did he ever judge anyone? Also. I do not agree with messianic belief that state of Israel is fulfillment of God s promises. Bible speak about spiritual Israel. What he is saying is pure nationalism. And nationalism is satanic ideology.I am Israeli,but I do not live there anymore, and for sometime I was messianic Jew. But this ideology do not have base in Bible.
victoria572904 1 month ago
(REV. 2:20, 1 COR 8) He who has ears let him hear.
RyanCreated 2 months ago
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only christianity predicts the rise of a one world religious leader, who will have white skin and red eyes; if anyone worships him, they'll burn in hell. also, if anyone takes the chip and green electronic skin tattoo with sixes (that will be given when one stretches their hand to receive a new small grey world passport), they'll burn in hell too. also, it's important to note that if anyone will go into a ufo ship to be healed, they're in trouble. why?'cause ufo aliens are demons.research this
goodinfotoknow 3 months ago
I am not Jewish, but agree with this man. As a Christian, I can see where our "freedom" has often led to lasciviousness. Thanks to Constantine, we have thrown out the baby with the bathwater with regard to Christianity's Jewish roots.
guitargnx3boy 4 months ago
@Menechem The view that God has abandoned Torah completely in favor of a New Covenant is simply not that which was intended through Scripture. Yeshua himself exhorts in Matthew 5, "Don't think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete. Yes, I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud or a stroke will pass from the Torah - not until everything that must happen has happened."
TikkunMinistries 4 months ago
@TikkunMinistries Juster you're dead wrong! Let us examine what I sent you via you're YouTube inbox, because I discuss the whole issue of Matthew 5:18, and what the LORD Jesus Christ said in Mat 24:35 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away" (HCSB), So either He's contradicting Himself (WHICH GOD CANNOT DO, JESUS IS GOD THE SON,I'M TRINATARIAN),or He's establishing HIS TORAH,ISA. 2:2-4 COMING TO PASS.AS THE TORAH WENT FROM SINAI,THE CHANGE OF TORAH (HEB. 7),JERUSALEM.
Menechem 4 months ago
You know what I find interesting ???????? is that when we find ourselves in his presense and I mean truly In the midst of his magesty; all of this debate and theological kerfuffle is absolutely and totaly laid bare for what it truly is........and I guess what I'm trying to say is said best by Paul in 2 Tim. 2; 23-27........... neverthe less being a relatively new believer I love learning anything that can help strengthen my faith...as he says Faith comes by hearing the word of God.
Ducknbob8 5 months ago
HALLELUYAH!!! THANK YOU YESHUAH BECAUSE NOW I DON'T FEEL LEFT OUT!!!!
LouieG7777 5 months ago
@thatsmrtoyoubuddy I don't spend much time worrying about over who God is. I prefer to believe that there is a power or life force of some type out there, perhaps the sum total of all natural laws. I have to need to "debunk" that. Of course, this same "God" isn't tied to just Christians - it's the same power for all of us in spite of what we choose to believe. What I do debunk is the pagan based man god story invented by Paul. I do accept that a fully human Jewish teacher might have lived.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
and many people who say they are belivers, will not enter into the kingdom of god..so, we must stop being selfish.. and understand that even if you cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven help another person enter..in this way..you gain honor for the father and the son..by simply denying yourself and carrying your cross behind the lord. Our lord came to serve, not to be served..we are unworthy servents..so, drop the pride and aggrogance because jesus hates it..we must be humble and forgiving.
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
we must find some common grounds.. and our faith in the lord jesus christ is that ground...why do we divide ourselves rather than try to unite? if one is willing to talk to another, can we not break bread together in the lord's name? if we disagree, then we must speak on why we disagree.. we have to stop being foolish.. yes, many of the jewish people won't be saved..but, many of the gentiles won't be saved as well.. there will be more people in hell than heaven.
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles and our faith in the lord jesus christ is that ground..."
No the faith in the sacrifice of Jesus is the dividing factor. The Christian man-god Jesus who died for others sins is a totally pagan concept and doesn't come from Judaism. In Judaism each person is responsible for atonement of his own sins. No one else can do it for him. In Judaism, you must earn the chance to enter into enternal life. In Christianity, you get a free ride based on a pagan tale of a sacrificed god.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 did the preist sacrifice the lamb or the offering for the people or not? .. i can also see.. your insinuating that christ is a pagan god...
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
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@TyrellTLyles did the preist sacrifice the lamb or the offering for the people or not? .. "
Leviticus outlines the exact way to sacrifice and that was ONLY for inadvertant sins. Can you point out where the method for human sacrifice is described? Would you like to read Deuteronomy where God says that he abhors human sacrifice such as the pagans do? Did you know human sacrifice was forbidden to the Jews?
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 jesus is the *Lamb* of god.. also the father made a *new* covenant..
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles the father made a *new* covenant"
The first covenant is eternal. How can there be a new one?
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles the father made a *new* covenant?
How can there be a new covenant when the first one is ETERNAL?
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 do you you deny the fact that the father said he would make a *new covenant* with the house of israel and write the law on their hearts and minds?
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles father said he would make a *new covenant* with the house of israel and write the law on their hearts and minds?
Jeremiah? It refers to a renewal of the eternal covenant.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 do you wear 2 differnt types of cloth? do you trim the side of you beard? how is that you speak like you follow the torah and the tanakh yet, you lead sheep astray..
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles how is that you speak like you follow the torah and the tanakh yet, you lead sheep astray"
The Torah is part of the Tanakh.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 yes the books of moses.. but, as you said only the fundamentalsist only take it litterlally...so, what is it that you follow? if it is not the torah or tanakh or the brit hadasha.. why is that you choose to turn me from the messiah? it is because you do the works of you father.. who/ which is satan.
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles Fundamentalists only comprise some 20% of Christians and it is they who take every word of the bible literally. The rest of Christians as do the Jews realize that some of it is the credulous thinking of primitive people. I don't care whether you believe in the Jesus man-god story. I am telling you though that there was Jesus the fully human Jewish teacher as separate from Jesus, the man-God of Paul who came along 30 or more years later.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 ok, I only belive in jesus the christ the son of the living god..not the one Catholics preach or any church only the christ in scripture.. that the father begot and promised would save us from our sins.
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles ok, I only belive in jesus the christ the son of the living god........that the father begot and promised would save us from our sins.
If you want to believe that, That's OK - it's your Pauline Christian belief. In Jesus time, before the advent of your kind of Christianity(Pauline) , it was believed (and just as Jews, Ebionites and Noahides believe ) only you and no one else can atone for your own sins.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 only the spiling of blood can atone for sins.. that is jesus the christ blood..
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
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@TyrellTLyles only the spiling of blood can atone for sins.. that is jesus the christ blood.."
Blood sacrifice was not a necessity in Jesus' time. Even flour could be offered. And sacrifice was done only for inadvertant sins. For deliberate sins, one had to right the wrong commited, repent and pray directly to God for forgiveness.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles father said he would make a *new covenant* with the house of israel and write the law on their hearts and minds?
Jeremiah? If the Jews returned to God, he would renew the eternal covenant.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 and the father will.. I just hope and pray you and I and many others.. names are written into the lamb's book of life and make it into new jerusalem.
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 If you speak against christ, your an antichrist and a child of the devil.
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
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@TyrellTLyles If you speak against christ, your an antichrist and a child of the devil."
Nonsense. Try stepping out of the dark ages, TV. That childishness doesn't work any more.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 ...if you wish to deny the cross and the christ.. and wish to oppose god the father and his son jesus the christ.. you condemn yourself..and if you claim to father the father you must also have the son.. but, if you speak against and/or hate the son you do not have the father...
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles and wish to oppose god the father and his son jesus the christ.. you condemn yourself"
Nonsense. It simply means that I don't believe a pagan story. God said "Hosea 13:4 - Yet I am YHWH your G-d from the land of Egypt; and you shall know no god but me, and besides me there is no Savior.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 that is true you shall no know god but, the god of israel as i do..and obviuosly he *yeshua* is the savior...the messiah for the jew and gentile..
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles That is where Christianity and Judaism split ways. The God of Israel and Abraham is one indivisible God and the Jesus who the Jewish Christians, including the apostles, followed was a man. The Christian God is a triune God and Jesus becomes a pagan man-God.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
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@TyrellTLyles That is where Christianity and Judaism split ways. The God of Israel and Abraham is one indivisible God and the Jesus who the Jewish Christians, including the apostles, followed was a man. The Christian God is a triune God and Jesus becomes a pagan man-God.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 God is one, with 3 natures, that he has revealed to us. The father, son and holy spirt.
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
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@TyrellTLyles God is one, with 3 natures, that he has revealed to us. The father, son and holy spirt."
The have a "son" who is part of a trinity, one must have a man-god and that concept is strictly of pagan origin. Matthew 28:19 is a Christian interpolation.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 you belive the son of god was inserted? the son of god is the first creation over all things before you and I and the heavens and the earth..everything.. the father said man is like "Us" now.. he was speaking to his son..
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles you belive the son of god was inserted?"
Eusebius, Church historian and Bishop of Caesarea, quoted from an unaltered book of Matthew that he had in his library in Caesarea - an original book or the first copy of the original - Jesus' actual words to his disciples in the original text of Matthew 28:19: "With one word and voice He said to His disciples: "Go, and make disciples of all nations in My Name, teaching them to observe all things whatsover I have commanded you."
Matthew1944 5 months ago
the old testament is the jewish bible..the tankh..i mean..what more do you need? the brit hadasha ( the new testament) was written by mostly jewish people.. our lord for instance is jewish.. christianity is nothing more than a branch on the tree of judism.. don't you understand that gentiles sinners are dogs? this why the woman said even the dogs eat the crumbs from the master's table.. (the crumbs from the bread of life (jesus) we are saved..yes..but salvation came from the jews.
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles the new testament) was written by mostly jewish people"
The authors of the gospels are anonymous and were not eye witnesses. Paul wrote most of the rest of the NT but he was sent from Rome and most likely a Herodian - aspiring to be a Jew. Pauline Christianity is nothing like judaism - not even the same tree, let alone a branch. Jesus didn't preach to Gentiles and stated that he had been sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 the lord's word are spirt.. so, even if he talked to someone which was *not* a jew it still touched them in the same way the gospel would..
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles so, even if he talked to someone which was *not* a jew it still touched them in the same way the gospel would.."
Why? He was a practicing Jew, a Jewish teacher trying to bring Hellinized Jews back into their faith - Why would it "touch" a pagan?
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 because it's the truth and his words are life and spirt.. you don't know his voice because you are not one of his sheep or/ and you do not have his seed in you..at this time..
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
i just really hope and pray that the church will turn from teaching anti semitesim.. the jews did not kill the lord.. the master said himself.. that he lays he's life down himself and picks up because he has been given the power to do so. Alot of these comments are, just another sign that the body of christ diputes against itself.. we as a people need to come together as the master prayed for..instead of opress one another.. because your opressing yourself as well
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
you don't have to be called a *Christian* to enter into the kingdom of heaven, you simply must belive with all your heart that jesus is the christ
( Yeshua Hamashiach).
Israel " To struggle with god"
We are children of the struggle because jews and gentiles are one.
we both scream out in spirt and literally " Yehoshua" " God help us in jesus name"
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles Wrong. By believing Jesus is a God and asking God to help "in Jesus name" is putting another god before HaShem himself and that is idolatry. God said "Hosea 13:4 4 Yet I am YHWH your G-d from the land of Egypt; and you shall know no god but me, and besides me there is no Savior.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 ...jesus said ask anything in my name...
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
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@TyrellTLyles jesus said ask anything in my name.."
Did he? Who knows EXACTLY what he said, considering that none of tthe NT was writtten during his lifetime, nor by eye witnesses.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 the apostles weren't eye witnesses?! moses gave you the torah but, *Yesoshua* has to lead you to the promised land..
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles the apostles weren't eye witnesses?!
None of the NT was written by apostles. Jesus TEACHINGS instruct you inasfar as how you can earn entrance to the afterlife.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 so, now your telling me that you do know the master's ways and not to read the works of the other apostles because they did not write them..as though you know..as though you were there.. as though you belive..how is it that you can critcize the new testament and belive so, dearly in the old testament as though you know for sure that god the father gave you the torah..as though you were there..
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles ..as though you were there"
More ranting, TV? No one living was there but there are many historical writings and there are many scholars who study them. The apostles were poor and illiterate and spoke Aramaic and Hebrew. The NT was written in Greek 30-60 years later. The OT is a book of history, poetry and law, not magic god-men.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 in the book of daniel when the hebrew boys were put into the flames for not worshipshipping the king or his gods, did the soldier not say " there are 4 in the flame now and one looks as though he were the son of god"?
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles in the book of daniel when the hebrew boys were put into the flames for not worshipshipping the king or his gods, did the soldier not say " there are 4 in the flame now and one looks as though he were the son of god"?"
Chapter and verse?
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 Daniel 3:22-25
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles there are 4 in the flame now and one looks as though he were the son of god"?
The original unedited text Daniel 325 reads " He answered and said: 'Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods ".'
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 is that the original king james bible 1611 or the tankh (what year)? if it isn't 1611 KJV, I would defintaly beware of it.. because the devil has went as far as to tamper with god's precious word.. just as in the old testament it read Yahweh..now because jews don't say the father's name anymore it has been changed to lord many places where he's name was orginally...if these are original scripture you read from it would/will say *son of god* not " son of gods "
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 what type of verison or/ and bible or scripture do you read from?
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
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@TyrellTLyles what type of verison or/ and bible or scripture do you read from?"
The original tanakh which has remained unchanged for over 2500 years.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@TyrellTLyles moses gave you the torah "
Traditionally it is Moses who gave the Torah but it is the fundamentalists who are the only ones who take it literally.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 So, what do you follow and what is your purpose of speaking to me of the holy scriptures?
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 that's good you belive there is one god, even demons belive that and tremble..
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
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@TyrellTLyles that's good you belive there is one god, even demons belive that and tremble.."
And your point is........?
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 just because you acknowledge the father doesn't mean you truly belive or know him..
TyrellTLyles 5 months ago
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@TyrellTLyles just because you acknowledge the father doesn't mean you truly belive or know him.."
Pot calling the kettle black?
Matthew1944 5 months ago
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@TyrellTLyles that's good you belive there is one god, even demons belive that and tremble.."
And your point is?
Matthew1944 5 months ago
To live one's life according to a few questionable writings, To believe in and talk to imaginary friends. To live in illusion and fantasy. To be so entirely convinced that one's views are absolute truth....
It sounds a lot like serious mental illness to me.....
please, spend several days in a natural place. Take food and water as we do not want any further hallucinations. Except for in your thoughts, where is this Isreal, God, Jesus etc....
MrKeithtoad 6 months ago
@ShlomoHaAvinoo I wonder if Pashtuns are from Israel or Arab lands?
Karoke77 6 months ago
Dr. Daniel Juster of Tikkun International presents Messianic Theology in just 15 minutes"
I guess that's all it takes. It's Christianity in drag - people who are fundamentlst christians but keep Jewish festivals, wear Jewish garb and use some Jewish words. Sorry folks, the festivals, garb and words don't make you Jewish any more than living in a garage makes you a car. It also shows you ignorance of the Jewish faith and just why Christianity is a totally different religion.
Matthew1944 6 months ago
@Matthew1944 2) They do all this to lure Jews who don't know their own religion well into thinking that somehow they are "completed" by believing in Jesus, whereas in fact, they are converting them to fundamentalist Christianity. Pretty crooked, I'd say!
Matthew1944 6 months ago
@Matthew1944 The "Who is a Jew" question is admittedly a challenging one that not even the wider Jewish community has been able to define. This is why the Orthodox, Conservative, Reform branches -- and even atheist Jews -- have differing answers to this question. If part of the definition of who is a Jew includes lineage and blood line, then your statement that Messianic Judaism is "Christianity in drag" is not accurate, as being an authentic Messianic Jew includes undeniable Jewish descent.
TikkunMinistries 6 months ago
@TikkunMinistries There is the verb "Jewish" and the noun "Jewish". If one converts to a belief in Jesus, one is a Christian - if that person is of Jewish (noun/verb) background, then that person is simply a christian of jewish origin - no longer considered to be a true Jew. In the Tanach, moshiach (messiah) is used 38 times: two patriarchs, six high priests, once for Cyrus, 29 Israelite kings such as Saul and David. Not once is the word moshiach used in reference to the awaited Messiah.
Matthew1944 6 months ago
@Matthew1944 Though an interesting differentiation of the word "Jewish", it is not an accurate historical representation. The first followers of Yeshua continued to worship at the Temple and identify as members of the Jewish faith. For them, there was no discontinuity nor disingenuousness. A critical part of "identity" is "identification" -- identification with the People, the Land, and the God of Israel.
TikkunMinistries 6 months ago
@TikkunMinistries The first followers of Yeshua continued to worship at the Temple and identify as members of the Jewish faith
True, but they were a section within Judaism, fully practicing Jews who believed Jesus to be a man, not a god. The beliefs of the Ebionites, descendants of Jesus direct followers, survive in the criticisms of Epiphanius and several other writers, attesting to this. Prophecies for a messiah in the Tanakh were for a fully human leader, not a God.
Matthew1944 6 months ago
@Matthew1944 A read through the four Gospels clearly presents Yeshua as much more than "a man, not a god." Even most of the Sanhedrin were threatened, not by Yeshua's teachings, but rather what they felt were his blasphemous claims of unity and equality with God. Also, these fully practicing Jewish talmidim (disciples) did indeed believe Yeshua was one with God, as did the Roman soldier who participated in his crucifixion, and thousands more following Yeshua's resurrection.
TikkunMinistries 6 months ago
@TikkunMinistries Of course, the gospels present Jesus as "more than a man". They all follow the pagan inspired virgin birth, god-man, sacrifice of self and resurrection upon which Christianity was born. The so-called Sanhedrin were Roman collaborators placed by Rome to keep the peace. Blasphemy would have been dealt with by stoning. His execution on the cross was a way of putting down a potential leader who might, with the Jews behind him, toss Rome out of Israel.
Matthew1944 6 months ago
@TikkunMinistries "as did the Roman soldier who participated in his crucifixion, and thousands more following Yeshua's resurrection. "
And among these "thousands" nothing was written about the events until 30 years after his death? Those thousands included at least five excellent historians, including Philo whose relatives lived in Jerusalem and who was interested in afterlife. Nobody wrote a word because there was nothing incredible to write about.
Matthew1944 6 months ago
@TikkunMinistries 3) The man-god of christianity came developed long after Jesus the man was dead. The disciples of Jesus believed he was the leader/ king of Jewish prophecy. This group eventually became Ebionites whose beliefs are preserved in the criticisms of Epiphaneus. They were declared heretics by the Roman church, hunted down and killed.
Matthew1944 6 months ago
@TikkunMinistries Paul is the father of Christianity. Dat Kazav (Lying Religion, or Religion of Falseness) is a Hebrew term Ebionites used to describe Christianity that comes from the 'ish kazav (Lying Man, i.e., Liar) Paul of Tarsus.
Matthew1944 6 months ago
@TikkunMinistries The Jews of the old testament, or the original Jews are still waiting for Elijah. Isiah stated Elijah will come to save them. How then does Jesus fit into it all?
Omnislash2000 6 months ago
Wow! What a nicely put 15-minute Messianic Theology! God bless.
marvinchen53 7 months ago
Well brothers and sisters, I've been a christian since birth, study theology at Boston and for the past six months attending a Messianic Jewish Congregation Saturdays, and Presbyterian Church on Sundays here in Brasil. Point in differences of course we have. But I'd like the church to learn the respect, reverence, commitment and care for God's things as jewish do. I am keeping the Shabbat, avoiding some meat and studying the Torah every Saturday with my family. It's been a blessing, just that.
mghleira 9 months ago
@mghleira that is really good :) keep up the studying and the observance of the Sabbath it is more important than u would think :) im a sabbath keeper too :) my test for you is this: Revelations 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." and if you read the next few verses the second coming of Jesus takes place. so these are the people who will be waiting for HIM. (remember keep His commandments! ALL of the TEN :) )
barcafun100 9 months ago
@barcafun100 Brother. Funny thing is, portuguese descendant, I remember my grandmother not eating some foods, never sweeping the house through the front door, and lightning candles Friday afternoon. I just asked my dad week ago, he said our great grandparents were jewish from Europe establishing in Portugal. Things are in motion in my life, and what I thought would be hard and difficult, my family has embraced the Sabbath - my wife and daughters. Pray for me, for us, brother.
mghleira 9 months ago
@mghleira yeah i will definitely! you know i have heard a lot of stories about how people accepted the Sabbath, and how hard it was for them to "keep it Holy" but would God ask you something to do if it was not possible? NO. If God sees the willingness of your heart then He will bless you, and make every circumstance right so that you can keep His Holy day! God Bless you!
barcafun100 9 months ago
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@mghleira But I'd like the church to learn the respect, reverence, commitment and care for God's things as jewish do. I am keeping the Shabbat, avoiding some meat and studying the Torah every Saturday with my family"
You'd be better to become a Noahide then, a righteous gentile. These messianic people are fundamentalist Christians without a clue what Judaism means.
Matthew1944 6 months ago
Thank you, Dan! That was fantastic.
soentertaining 1 year ago
This is outstanding teaching! I havent quite yet figured out my call in terms of mission but I feel a strong inclination towards the Messianic approach to our faith as it really realizes the idea of me as a gentile believer being grafted into the natural olive tree! I have come to the understanding of how Yeshua makes Jewish feasts complete and have an appreciation for Jewish history etc. I definitely want to gain more understanding. Being from Malta, I might need to go for distance learning!
matmalta 1 year ago
@matmalta Shalom I am a Torah observant christian believer. I worship on the Shabbath as it is written in the scripture and the Shabbath is perpetual covenant between me and my Messiah. I don't blame worship on Sunday however observing the Shabbath is biblical. The sahbbath and all the feasts are not only for jewish for all believers ^^ which are never ever done away~~
onething2002 7 months ago
@onething2002 I am a Torah observant christian believer"
If you are Torah observant and truly know the Jewish scriptures from the original, then you should know you cannot be a Christian believer. The God of the Jews is single and indivisible. By going through Jesus to get to God, you are placing other gods before him and that is idolatry.
Matthew1944 6 months ago