Debate: Sam Shamoun -VS- SwordOfAllah/Rex *Good Quality* 5/6

[FreakishlyTrue]

How comes when the muslim speaks the microphone is a bad quality and fuzzy?

[KeithTruth]

@FreakishlyTrue probably bad internet connection

[chrisandstaci]

this muslim just recycles old arguments that all muslims use its not smart at all

[chriscox1121]

wow, this muslim is inconsistent!

[CBALLEN]

Jesus didn't have to come out and say that I am God,everything He did proved it.He was worshiped from His birth ,all through His life and even today,He forgave sins,raised the dead.did many miracles,gave His life to save many and rose from the dead.

[vartanboujakian]

the sword of Allah you should be ashamed of your black heritage not only you made yourself look like a fool but you cant Evan hold a debate

[Rob187ok]

Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in Him.

[IsraelGudsAugestein]

Islam is an anti-Christianity religion.

[darpachief]

WORST MUSLIM DEBATER EVER

[chillzz25]

the muslim in this debate is retarded but is that really a surprise?

[19CosmicBoyz94]

...cont

You see.

Kalamullah became a script (meterial) but Kalamullah IS PRESERVE (not a material).

==> Quran is 100% Kalamullah, Eternal, Everlasting and 100% script/book!

Likewise The Word of God became human YET The Word of God IS PRESERVE. He is STILL GOD.

==> The Word of God (Jesus) is 100% God and 100% Human.

# It is so simple. That why I accept Jesus as My Savior and Lord. (Sori for my bad English)

[19CosmicBoyz94]

@ All,

You see, Islam is lying. To win convert, they practice taqiyah (you can lie to win convert/argument/debate).

In the Quran, Alloh did came to Moses in the burning bush. Alloh spoke to Moses from the bush not from heaven.

They, you see.

When we say that God is in Jesus, wow, they say this is syirik (asign another God to Allah).

The Quran is The Word of Allah (Kalamullah) turned scripture. The Word of God is uncreated, eternal, Holy. Ask any Moslem, they will agree.

..cont

[19CosmicBoyz94]

@ All,

You see, in Moslem theology, God cannot change, and He none can be compare to HIm.

Well, amen..amen. Christian agree.

But, do GOD change when He took a human form? NO!

God cannot change even He took a human form. He does not cease to be GOD. He is still all-powerfull, all-mighty!

Is the human body of Jesus, GOD? NO!

Jesus is God but His human body is not God. Hello, do you understand!

[19CosmicBoyz94]

@ All,

You see, by claiming that I am a human being to Sword of Islam has made me a wacho, don't you thing that of Jesus.

They knew that I am a human being because my action prove that I am a human being.

Jesus action prove that He is more that human, agree?

You see, its so simple.

[19CosmicBoyz94]

@ All,

I am a human being. If I say to you, hey Sword of Islam, I am a human being, do you believe that I am a human being?

What say you: Are you mad, I know that you are a human being!

Or

I will walk around NYC and shout: Listen everybody, I am a human being!

You know whats these people will say: WACHOOOOOOOOOO

[19CosmicBoyz94]

@ All,

Muslim: Where do Jesus say I am God in the gospel?

Christian: Did any Jews of His day ask this question to Jesus?

Muslim: No

Christian: No question, no answer!

[19CosmicBoyz94]

@ All,

The bullshit of Islam

Muslim: These all things about Jesus is God is your Interpretation?

Christian: Well, the whole things about Jesus is not God is also your Interpretation!

Muslim: Haleluyah

[19CosmicBoyz94]

@ All,

Muslim: Where do Jesus say Im God in the Gospel?

Christian: Where do Jesus say Im a mere human being in the Gospel?

Muslim: Jesus is a human because He eat, sleep, walk, etc.

Christian: Jesus is God because He claim that He is The Word of God, He is The Great I AM, He comes from Heaven, He is All-Powerfull, He knew all things, He forgive sin, etc.

Muslim: Haleluyah

[19CosmicBoyz94]

@ All,

Hey Moslem, do you knew that we believe Jesus is also HUMAN. So, don't waste your time comment about this.

Your problem is, Jesus is not DIVINE/GOD. So, please adress this.

And you can't because in the Bible, there are verses of Jesus humanity and of divinity.

The only thing you can do is pick verses out of context. That lying, distortion. Not a very good thing to do coz if you can do it, so do we.

[truthseeker510]

darn, as it was getting good the audio went to crap.

[1CHRIST1LORD]

ex. if someone asked me. "did you tell people to call you a man" and i say "no" the fact remains that i am a man, but i didn't tell people to call me a man

[1CHRIST1LORD]

that text he quoted is also invalid. Jesus was only denying the saying not the fact. i hope that makes sense

[KeithTruth]

Exactly. Also muslims don't read the bible so they haven't the faintest idea that Jesus did claim to be God; just not in those 3 words.

[TheMuziekmann]

@1CHRIST1LORD Jesus did say he was a prophet, as did the angel Gabriel. At the end, how can you say worshipping 3 entities that unite to form one is not idolatory? and to say 3 subcategories are interdependant on each other also is not convincing...does the father aka God need Jesus to exist? come on... dont convert to islam if u dont want to but atleast be honest with yourself...

[1CHRIST1LORD]

@TheMuziekmann Perhaps you will be obliged to present scripture evidence, because i am unaware of any text where the claim is made.

[1CHRIST1LORD]

@TheMuziekmann Perhaps by inference, but not in those exact words. Muslims demand exact wording so to be fair, we can do the same. Besides if you trust what the NT says by inference with regard to prophet claims, you can't turn around and distrust scriptural inferences toward his deity. You can't have it both ways.

[1CHRIST1LORD]

Respond to this video... If you dispose of the atonement through the death of the God-man, how does you account for the eradication of sin. Keep in mind that, according to the prophet Ezekiel, death is a requirement of the perpetrator of sin, else justice is not sufficiently served and you make God out to be a liar, for prophets are the very mouthpiece of God.

[TheMuziekmann]

@1CHRIST1LORD Do you hear how silly that sounds? death of the "God-man"? This isn't some cheese 80's cartoon, this is your faith! And death is necessary for eradication of sin? Simple rependance isn't enough? You can zig zag whatever way you want, worshipping 3 entities (a God-man?lol) is NOT monotheism. It is not what Abraham or the other prophets taught, surely the previous prophets would have mentioned the trinity SOMEWHERE, but they didnt. They reffered to THE Lord.

[1CHRIST1LORD]

@TheMuziekmann Do you hear how faithless you sound, Obviously you have no idea what the atonement means. I’m not saying that GOD died, that would be silly I’m saying that God is the only one who could fulfill the requirements of the law without which there would be no justice. (i.e becoming man, fulfilling the law and vicariously dying in man’s stead)

You’ll have to talk to the prophet Ezekiel about whether repentance is enough. Pt 1

[1CHRIST1LORD]

@TheMuziekmann It seems that to excuse sin is to give license to sin. You seem to be promoting a God of non justice. Your theory seems to provide for sin in a perfect world, I’m sure you can see the self contradictory nature of that suggestion. However the God of the bible says sin will be dealt with in a permanent fashion, (i.e death) but this is where atonement comes in. Study the old testament sanctuary system. Not monotheism? Sure it is we only worship ONE God. Pt 2

[TheMuziekmann]

@1CHRIST1LORD On contrary I am promoting a God that is forgiving when one repents instead of a God who demans human sacrifice/blood. I'm not sure where you are going with this sin discussion since I'm focussing on the divinity of God and the mortality of Jesus. To say God demands blood offering to forgive sin means you are implying he is not merciful enough to accept repentance and that is blesphemous to many. If you worship Jesus, HG and the father then you are worshipping more than one entity.

[1CHRIST1LORD]

@TheMuziekmann The reason i'm questioning your understanding of Atonement in connection with the trinity, is because they are intricately and dynamically related. Once the probationary adam as mans representative sinned, death was the sure result unless atonement was made vicariously. And that could only be accomplished by one who is not amenable to law, and the only one who filled that position was God himself. This is where the sanctuary system steps in, Jesus was that messiah/saviour

[TheMuziekmann]

@1CHRIST1LORD so since God was able to forgive the sins of Adam, Moses, David, Abraham, etc. then why was the sacrifice even necessary? Why according to you was Jesus's blood necessary if God is able to forgive sin by atonement? Again, anyone who worships 3 entities (wether they make up One God or 3) must know the obvious. Jews before you went astray by worshipping the cow instead of One God, you are doing the same. You must know that. Plus other prophets never mentioned Jesus as Lord. None.

[1CHRIST1LORD]

@TheMuziekmann He was only able to forgive their sins by virtue of the atonement, recall that Abraham was saved by faith,before messiah. It was to him that the covenant was made same thing with the other prophets. You obviously have never taken the time to understand the atonement, if you had you'd understand the reason why it matters that Jesus the messiah was God. The NT is littered with references to Jesus as Lord and God. those entities represent the tri-unity who is God. it's not idolatry

[TheMuziekmann]

@1CHRIST1LORD Abraham did not ask for atonement, his loyalty and love for God was tested and God saved his son. Religion is very simple. Worship One God. If you worship someone who died, who bled, who asked God "Why have thou forsaken me?" , then you must know that he was a mortal man. Why would Jesus even ask/give up at the end? Why did he think he was forsaken if he was God? You are following blind faith, to the point where you are worshipping 3 different entities, no prophet did that, none.

[1CHRIST1LORD]

@TheMuziekmann Abraham didn't have to ask for atonement, he needed it. Do you know what atonement is? How about the sanctuary system? Or the purpose and necessity of the prophesied messiah? Even the nature and consequence of sin? These are the basis of the OT, so if you can help me with these we can continue our conversation, if not I'm done. Your questions, how could Jesus have bled and died, and Why did Jesus think he was forsaken, are all answered by these motifs. So let's start there. Pt 1

[1CHRIST1LORD]

@TheMuziekmann Within a proper understanding of these is couched the deity of the messiah. Like i said no one but deity could accomplish salvation and the messiah/Jesus was it. pt 2

[TheMuziekmann]

@1CHRIST1LORD I am sorry but that is a cop out. Saying "you just don't understand" does not explain anything. Please do contemplate. Abraham broke away from the religion of his forefathers, because he used reasoning and asked God to guide him towards the right path, no matter what that path was. Worshipping 3 entities is polytheism, jewish & biblical prophets were sent to prevent people from erring again.

[1CHRIST1LORD]

@TheMuziekmann At this point your response is nothing but meaningless jabber. Why don't you adhere to my request and we'll start from there . Besides, in my most recent comments i didn't say "you just don't understand" i requested that you demonstrate your understanding, which you failed to do. I'm afraid No proper etymological examination of the term polytheism would agree with your definition. Trinitarian theology is not polytheism. Pt 1

[1CHRIST1LORD]

@TheMuziekmann Again we only worship ONE God, the reality is that ONE God is represented as three entities. What do you do with gen 1:26 Which says "let US make man in OUR image". pt 2

[TheMuziekmann]

@1CHRIST1LORD Please listen to what you just said....One God is represented as three entities.... do I realy need to explain?

[1CHRIST1LORD]

@TheMuziekmann I've chosen not to continue our discussion, it seems quite evident that we're not going to get anywhere. Neither one of us will, as a result of this conversation, change their ideology. It seems like a frivolous endeavor to continue.

[KeithTruth]

Have you heard the original copy? There is like a 3 second lag between every word.