I find this to be offensive and not. The crosses themselves, for petty fetuses, are retarded. But some dumbass defacing them, to be an asshole is equally retarded. No respect on either side of the fence=assery. I'm pro-choice, but not pro-tresspassing or pro-destroy-crosses-to-be-faggot, either. Unles of course, someone decided to do it in memory of an abortion of mine, then I'd simply take away or destroy ONE, b/c that is my business, not some churchs'. I dunno.. this is complicated and stupid.
@TheCRBChurch People typically do just as much as the man before them. What is the point of creating yet another person? Plus, we are overpopulating the planet greatly as is.
@ActiveJackal SO, VIOLENCE AND MURDER AGAINST THE UNBORN IS THE SOLUTION FOR EVERYTHING? HERE'S A VIDEO YOU SHOULD SEE...IF YOU HAVE 27MINS "ECLIPSE OF REASON" ABORTION DOCUMENTARY.
@ActiveJackal Then here's an idea, keep the legs closed, the condoms on (Though they don't work well), and quit trying to take the quick and easy path. If you have sex, expect a baby. Period. People who are politically correct endanger our system as is making condoms and pills seem like "miracle" items that work every time. We need to teach our kids to wait until they are ready to have children to have sex, and expect children if they don't. Otherwise, we are not teaching discipline anyways.
@fwahoovaghad Discipline in this civilization went down the drain years ago. And if people take away the choice to abort,probably many youths will die from attempted home abortions. No, there is no miracle item.. But there are ways of reducing the risk of pregnancy. Just as safe driving can reduce the 1/40 chance of dying when on the road. People are going to have sex one way or another. If it weren't for organized religions trying to suppress the ideals of safe sex, this would be less common.
@ActiveJackal Here's the problem though. There is no such thing as safe sex. I was reading a book about this recently. And I will argue with the idea that discipline is impossible. You must discipline yourself, if you get an STD it's your fault, you get pregnant it's your fault if you are having sex. But safe sex doesn't exist, because there are no tools that make it safe. Condoms and birth control fail commonly. Just what i've learned from my research.
@fwahoovaghad I would continue the whole arguement... But I just have to point out something. I have never had a condom break on me nor any of my friends. The ONE case that it broke is because someone did anal without lube. He was being an idiot. Have you ever tried to pull a condom over your head? It's quite possible.
@ActiveJackal Just what I read, and I won't argue with you because I don't know if that's true or not. And frankly...never really thought about pulling one over my head. XD
@USSRStormtrooper Well I never said that every atheist is against abortion. In fact, I respect the pro fetus crowd more if they are atheist because they feel that way about abortion because of how THEY feel about it and not by what there 2,000 year old storybook tells them.
I dont understand the right. They are all about embryos, fetuses, gestating women and LIFE (allegedly), but when it comes to healthcare, welfare, and other social programs to help improve the quality of LIFE for the poor, they insist that those things are privileges and not rights. HYPOCRISY!
i dont understand the left. they are all for women's rights and gay's rights and animal rights, but what about the rights of the unborn child does he or she get no choice on his of her life? hypocrisy!!!!
this is soooo much worse than the prolife people who, degrade women by calling them murderers, blow up clinics and murder doctors! (although i do agree that it's not right, for either side to be cruel)
Pro-abortionist kill people, Over 4,000 a year. These people have never degraded women or bombed any clinics. You cant blaim the the actions of few on the majority.
.... isn' that exactly what this video does? and what you just did? did you read the rest of my comment, it says that I don't agree with either side of prochoice vs antiabortion being cruel to each other.
Gee, nevermind that it just might have been some board teenagers, or drunken idots out causing trouble. Most pro-CHOICEers respct your POV, and would not do something like this. Same thing happened here in Idaho, guess what, it was a bunch of young, drunk, 20-somethings out causing trouble. Not everything it the fault of the "liberals". It was liberal ideology that allows you to express your anti-choice views, and religion.
I am saying that there is no proof of that it was pro-choice group. This very same thing happened here, blamed on a pro-choice group, when in all actuality it was teenagers, not pro-choicers. This video has no audio, no news clips, no news coverage, no follow up, I'm not going to believe it was a pro-choice group, just because the title says so, I have better critical thinking skills than that.
Yes it did happen, this is at least the 3rd time. The first time they broke out the windows, it was the worst of the 3. Our church in the past has had many people speak against us putting up our crosses out. Yes there was a news clip on it WSAZ cover the story. I belive that your "critical thinking skills" need more thought.
i apologize. i might have been out of line. they anger me so much, but... i guess god wants us to pray for them instead of creating more violence. thank you for showing me a better way.
@TheGreatRL lol no im not a christian but i am a realist. I believe every one has a right to believe what ever they want, even if i may disagree with it. I think its funny when people go on and on about choice but yet they try to silence those who disagree with them.
These crosses are not just pieces of wood; they were placed out of respect & in remembrance for the unborn who were aborted for whatever reason. It brings peace to women who grieve.
The grandma I never knew died to save her baby's life & when I see the ultimate display of a woman's love to her child & then such an honorable display of love to a community its amazing.
Nobody cares about what you think of Christians, Muslims or Atheist. Have some respect and have a great day.
@ladyEulaelie Why don't you look at the comment I was responding to. He said "This is why we need to wipe liberal scum" off the face of the planet.. Yet you're mad for what I said!!! Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind seeing no more liberals in the country but I'm not gonna preach genocide.
And the pieces of wood set up in rememberence for aborted fetuses are ancient execution devices from which for some reason, your religion has adopted as the holy symbol. Sorry for bringing you to reality.
So u make an ignorant comment to an ignorant comment??
Yes, I am a Christian, but I don't have a "holy" symbol. I'm not Catholic or some other religion that relish crosses and what kind of reality do you live in where you or I have to be Catholic/other to respect other ppl beliefs? I pass on the actuality of ur kind. I want to live in a world that doesn't treat ppl w/ any less dignity/respect b/c of their gender, race, economic status or religious/philosophical beliefs.
@ladyEulaelie " I pass on the actuality of ur kind. I want to live in a world that doesn't treat ppl w/ any less dignity/respect b/c of their gender, race, economic status or religious/philosophical beliefs."
My KIND respects humanity way more than you religious folk. That is irrefutably true. We don't need to believe in a book that tells you to kill your neighbor just for working on the sabbath day, in order to have good morals.
What does my personal beliefs have to do with the fact that all ppl should respect all people?
Your shoty exegesis is so terribly incorrect, I won't even bother addressing it b/c I doubt you're interested in getting anything right about my beliefs as EVERYTHING you suggested has been very wrong/stereoptical. Keep stating your half truths if it gets you off. Do what works for you.
A person doesn't make such insensitive comments than brag about how moral they are. Good day.
@ladyEulaelie You said people of my "kind" don't respect other people. So what exactly are people of my "kind"? You call me out on a mistake and yet you refuse to address what the mistake was??!!?? Typical.
Why should I have to hold my tongue if you are oversensitive about things?
@ladyEulaelie You said people of my "kind." What exactly do you mean by, my "kind"? You call me out on a mistake and yet you refuse to address what the mistake was???!!?? Typical.
Why should I have to hold my tongue because you are oversensitive about things?
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Its perfectly fine, even interesting not to agree w/ someone's personal beliefs. Its even ok to verbally spar or box w/ them but you don't fight dirty & at the end of the match, you touch gloves. Thats the "kind" of ppl I'm proud to associate myself w/. I have an Atheist friend who is from communist China. We debate and I appreciate her "kind". Ur words demonstrated to me that ur of a different "kind".
Laughing is good for the soul & it releases tension...have a go =)
tell me, wise and righteous CRB Church, how can you tell that the driver of the mystery vehicle was pro-choice? and furthermore, an atheist? you have absolutely no idea who ran over your crosses. it could have been a pro-choice athiest, or a pro-choice christian, or a completely hammered jew... no matter the denomination i think you have a harmless case of drinking and running over stuff on your hands (don't need to be of any particular faith to enjoy that)
well like i have said before this is the 3rd or 4th time this has happened when we have set up the crosses, plus wha kinda points to the fact that they are pro-choice is the fact that accouple of years ago the spray painted on the church, and o so kindly broke out the windows of our church.. I never said the vandals were atheist... nor did i say the vandals was a jew..
@TheCRBChurch How about not putting them up in the first place? How about recognizing the fact that women should have a choice about whether or not they want a baby growing inside of them instead of forcing them to carry an unwanted child to term.
@Jessica. These crosses are not about women's rights, its about remembrance of the aborted. The unborn are HERE; they are not a thought or gleamer in the eye nor are they "choices", lets fairly deal w/ them. They are our responsibility to be protected & nurtured b/c they ARE 1 of us. A mature woman will be mature & woman enough to not run behind laws that keep her from having to deal w/ HER sexual CHOICES. Regardless our opinions, these crosses are not about u and ur "choices". Recognize that.
@ladyEulaelie Suppose you come into my clinic with a tapeworm... should I remove it or should I let it grow inside you because it'll allow you to deal with your gastronomical CHOICES? The crosses for these non-persons is like putting crosses for the tapeworms and heartworms killed by MDs, DOs or DVMs in a pet cemetery.
Just because a woman wants to have sex doesn't mean that she should be punished with an unwanted child...
If an unborn baby isn't a human being then what kind of being is it?
A parasite is a life form that a detrimental force upon its host and that serves as NO biological benefit to humans. Obviously a baby isn't a parasite. To make a comparison of an unborn baby, a HUMAN (just like you and I) to that of a tape worm is ridiculous.
We are women...we are men with wombs. Why would you compare the essence of who women are to single celled organisms found in poop?
@ladyEulaelie "A parasite is a life form that a detrimental force upon its host and that serves as NO biological benefit" If a fetus is unwanted, it's detrimental and offers NO biological benefit to it's host, stealing resources and energy from the host. Obviously, if it is unwanted, it is a parasite. An unborn baby is not just like you and I. For example, we don't leech off of the body of a host. Well, I don't.
I make the comparison because it is apt. It is an unwanted lifeform.
A fetus could never be considered a parasite. That is scientifically incorrect. Pregnancy is a symbiotic relationship where the baby and the mother benefit off each other. Pregnancy is not a disease; having a tape worm is. Not only that but pregnancy is how she continues her species...thats why she has a womb.
A baby is not, was not and will never be a "parasite". Women will say ANYTHING to convince themselves and others that a unborn baby is inferior and invasive.
@ladyEulaelie Well, that's only because a parasite has to be a different species from it's host - just like any symbiotic relationship. But other than that, an unwanted fetus is pretty much like a parasite with the exception of being the same species as it's host. How does a woman benefit when she has an unintended and unwanted pregnancy?
An unwanted fetus inside a woman IS invasive by virtue of the fact that it IS unwanted.
We have natural floura living in and on the outside of our bodies...they are not parasitic b/c we benefit and often need them.
A baby maybe unwanted, but women have to acknowledge their choice to bring in that human being that they now don't want by standing by the choices they make. Thats fair. The fact that women don't stand by their choices in the 1st place tells me that the majority of them don't care about choice nor understand the responsibility behind "choice".
@ladyEulaelie Yes and we consume dead or live animals and plants to generate energy to allow our bodies to continue to function.
Many women DO stand by their choices - websites like "Thanks, Abortion!" or "I'm Not Sorry" show that there are women that choose to have an abortion and are glad that they have had it. I don't understand why you say that women don't stand by their choices... obviously, they do - otherwise abortion clinics will be out of business.
How could I hold a sign that says "my body my choice", knowing full well that the night I conceive, it was my body and AND my choice? Its not rocket science figuring out where babies come from. The disrespect for human life is incredibly sic...if its not a human being than what kind of being is it?? What about the women who were raped and didn't have a choice? "Choice" has become a joke and human life has been made into a mockery.
@ladyEulaelie Because, when you had sex - it wasn't your choice to get pregnant, it was your choice to have sex. I do believe that fetuses are human beings but the fact is that a woman shouldn't be forced to carry a child if she doesn't want to. Especially when we have medical technology to prevent and correct such things.
How do you figure that human life has been made into a mockery? I mean, I find life interesting - probably why I'm doing a Bio major for my pre-medical studies.
If a person licks the underside of a public toilet bowel for a certain amount of $, is it their intent to get sick? But if they get sick, thats on them.
If a person walks a tight rope between 2 buildings for a certain amount of $ , is it their intent to fall? But if the falls, thats on them.
If a gay man has sex w/ at a bathhouse w/ people he knows may or may not have HIV and he uses protection, is it his intent to get HIV? But if he gets HIV, thats on him.
@ladyEulaelie Yes, but people can use condoms and birth control (implants, diaphragm, etc) but still get pregnant - they knew the consequences and did everything they could to evade the consequences. We shouldn't make them suffer just because the methods of birth control they used didn't work. Plus, when you don't have comprehensive, pragmatic, realistic sex education in schools - there are some people that don't know the consequences or ways to reduce the likelihood of them.
Abortion isn't about women's rights for me. There should be no dispute if a fetus is human or not. Science rules that it is. My principals are, that if a innocent human life deserves the right to live, it should follow that an unborn baby deserves the right to live even if its mother doesn't want it. There is a greater principal to be held.
Human life is not held sacred any more. People have desensitized themselves to what it means to kill.
@ladyEulaelie But abortion is about women's rights, whether you believe that it is or not. Fetuses die every day, either due to miscarriages or fatal birth defects - so not every fetus has a "right to life", proven by the ones that come out of their mother stillborn.
A fetus does not deserve the right to life just like I don't have a right to live in an apartment if I'm not paying the rent. A woman should have the choice whether she wants to carry the child or not.
Lets say that there are no laws here, only principal.
I'm flying my jet across the Atlantic ocean to Europe. Many hours into the flight I discover there is another person on my jet. ITS YOU! You explain your presence on my jet and I come to the conclusion that it not of any fault of your own how you ended up there, however I would like u off my jet. You quietly help urself to some of my food and drink and await for landing. Would it be ok for me to eject you off my jet?
@ladyEulaelie Not really. But let me ask you this - if I needed a kidney and you had one that matched me, is it my right to steal your kidney because of my right to life? Or if I needed a pint of blood and we were the same blood type, would it be my right to steal blood from you because of my right to life?
If I had something in abundance, it would be humanitarian for me to help you. There should be no reason for you to steal blood. People generally are more than willing to help others in this sense b/c they can relate to people like them, however this is harder to do when a human being is tiny, hidden its mother's womb instead of crying and sucking its thumb in the nursery. People have the tendency to see other humans who don't look like them as inferior beings.
@ladyEulaelie Yes, but you have the choice to refuse - I donate blood and bone marrow but I have the right to stop at any time. I'm on the Organ Donor registry but I have the right to get off at any time. A woman should have the choice to refuse to continue to grow a fetus.
You don't comprise of all the ppl who donate blood, bone marrow or organs. If I go to the hospital in need of blood, it is most certainly not be denied help as there is usually always a supply.
I have yet to find any justification in my scenario for throwing you off of my jet or justification for killing an unborn baby, in the event that the mother's life is not at jeopardy. I have yet to find any justification for abortion that doesn't also justifies infanticide.
@ladyEulaelie No, I don't - you're right. But I do comprise all of the people who donate MY blood, bone marrow and organs.
But the justification for abortion is that women have the right to choose whether to have a child or not. Women have the right to make important decisions about their health care just like any other patient. As a future MD, it would be hypocritical for me to deny a woman the right to have an abortion because I believe patients need to have some say in their care.
I don't care how you cook it, & season it, healthy women can choose to not have kids but not to kill them. If I have fungus of the nails and scalp I make use of my healthcare. My healthy nails & hair are apart of my body but a manicure & blow out is not "healthcare". A healthy woman killing a healthy unborn baby is not legitimate form of "healthcare", thats "childcare" for 98% of the sissy/lost/poor excuses of women who can't own their choices and want to dodge motherhood.
@ladyEulaelie Yes, it is a legitimate form of health care. It is a medical procedure, performed by trained doctors in a clinical setting. You have to have a MD and either a OB/GYN residency or a fellowship that adds extended OB/GYN training to a Family Medicine residency. You have to do what's best for the patient's health and prescribe medicines and sometimes surgeries. It IS a medical procedure because it can only be done by MDs and DOs.
Not all abortions are medical procedures and like most cosmetic medical procedures, which are performed by MDs, Its an unnecessary form of healthcare...like a butt implants. Its not needed and its not done for the sake of the woman's health, only for her convenience. How many women died...how many lost a mom, wife, daughter, bff, not because a woman was doing what was best for their health, but b/c they were doing what catered to what would be convenient for them? Too many
@ladyEulaelie Actually, abortions are critically necessary medical care because there are many women that need abortions. Just like we need Infectious Disease doctors, Pathologists, Radiologists, Oncologists and Toxicologists - doctors who remove OTHER unwanted, harmful bodies from the patient returning them to health.
It is rare to find a woman who has died from abortion when compared to the number of procedures performed. Abortion is a very safe procedure.
@ladyEulaelie And you insult these women who HAVE made the choice to abort their children, saying that they can't own their choices (even though they can, the ones that choose to and don't follow through are the one's that can't) and yes, they don't want to be mothers. Last I checked, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to be a mother.
They didn't own their choice to risk pregnancy. Thats a fact.
Some1 near and dear to me aborted her daughter. She didn't own her choice. Thats a fact. She inspires me. I admire & respect her and look up to her. This is about owning up to our responsibilities pure and simple and I can't support something that is anti-me as a woman. I believe abortion does women a dis-service and so did the early feminist, but in this age, abortion is not about protecting a woman's health
@ladyEulaelie Actually, they probably weighed the risks - likely even used birth control to reduce the likelihood of those risks. Abortion actually does women a service by providing them the mechanism by which they can choose whether or not they want to have a child. I don't think that choice is such a bad thing.
Abortion is about protecting a woman's health and more importantly, protecting her right to make choices about her health.
What if you are aborting a female child? Do you not also fight for her rights, yet kill her at the same time??
Ironically, women who want such rights b/c "its their body" don't even have the right to choose to terminate their own body but the law allows them to terminate their own babies.
"If Abortion is merely about womens' rights, than what were mine? b/c there was no radical feminist yelling about how my rights were being violated that day" -Abortion survivor G. Jensen
@ladyEulaelie Your rights end where my nose begins. A woman should have the rights to her own womb and if she wanted no child in there, that's her choice.
I've talked with Jensen before - I believe that she serves an evil cause, the anti-choice cause. Her rights didn't infringe on the rights of her host because she doesn't have the right to be a parasite. It's not animal cruelty to remove a tapeworm from it's host.
Jensen hold no grudge against the woman who tried to abort her. She stands up for the ones who can't stand up for themselves. What a testimony of character. You may not agree with her or the Mrs. Roe, the woman who is now pro-life, but their cause is not for evil.
M. Sanger's cause was for evil agenda. She is the founder of 1 of the largest chains that abort unborn babies. Corporations are out to make money and they don't care about women or their babies.
@ladyEulaelie Planned Parenthood is a NOT-FOR-PROFIT corporation much like Habitat for Humanity, Stout Street Clinic (a homeless clinic in Denver), Greenpeace and the National Centre for Transgender Equality. All of these are corporations but they're not out for a profit - they are for helping people in need of help.
Planned parenthood claims to be "non-profit" but they of course they make a net profit. In fact from what I read, they have revieved over "Excess of Revenue Over Expenses = $85 MILLION (PROFIT)
@ladyEulaelie Where is this info that you have read? Is it on some biased anti-choice site of lies or is it a site with no stake the matter (i.e. Secretary of State, IRS, etc)?
@ladyEulaelie Denying anyone the right to choose what happens to their body is evil. It is wrong to deny anyone the right to make decisions about their health care - just like it is wrong to dishonour a DNR. Jensen and Roe are used by the anti-choice liars in a way to generate emotional appeals.
So-called "Pro-life" is only for life when you're in the womb. Once you're born, they don't give a damn about you, even less of a damn if you are a female because they are against your rights.
In this context, abortion is not about denying healthy pregnant women rights to their body, its about the right of another individual's body that is not recognized as a human life, not having rights to theirs. No child deserves be killed b/c it was their mother's "right" to commit a wrong.
Who doesn't give a damn about who?? I stand against abortion b/c its anti- woman. You can't take some copied and pasted, virally used statement and paint every pro-lifer one color.
@ladyEulaelie No, abortion is a practical means of allowing women to exercise the rights to their body. And I don't see how abortion is wrong - since a woman has every right to choose what happens to her body. Abortion is a valid and appropriate choice for many women.
Abortion is very pro-woman and I didn't copy and paste what I said, everything I've said came from within. As for anti-choice liars, I can because they choose to stand against women's rights.
You must be a freshman bio major. I've already rebutted you with scientific facts on why an unborn baby is NOT a parasite, yet you insist on continuing with this absurd analogy w/ erroneous information that a unborn baby is a parasite.
I used to be prochoice. I had ur mnd set. I used to think the same way as you 2 yrs ago. I know who I am and what my morals & values are and where I stand. I will always speak up for the voices that can't speak up for themselves.
@ladyEulaelie I am but I have admitted that, except for the fact that parasites (like all members of a symbiotic relationship) need to be a different species from their host, a fetus is LIKE a parasite in every other way. It's not absurd and it's not erroneous - it's factual.
Why did you decide to speak against women's rights rather than for them?
I am a woman too. I vehemently hate seeing the exploitation of women by corporations who began seeking to wipe and "low status" offspring off the face of their earth b/c "slum, mothers" "inferior, minority races" were "unfit". Nothings changed. Abortion opposes my belief in the worth of of ALL humans.
"When you consider that women have been treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit." -Stanton
@ladyEulaelie No, it doesn't. You see, abortion isn't about wiping "low status" offspring off of the face of the earth, it's about offering a mechanism for which women have the CHOICE about whether they want to have an abortion or not.
If you want to blame someone for the abortion of a minority fetus, blame the mother - she's the one that chose it - but don't blame abortion because (like all science) it doesn't share our prejudices.
Sad truth...if you are one of the big wigs of a corporations who are in beds with Eugenists, that is exactly what it is about. Watch the documentary of Maafa21 here on youtube and try not to punch a wall. I will never be pro-choice again, not after knowing what I know. Its sic.
@ladyEulaelie But if you're a doctor working in some clinic in a rural hellhole like Kansas, it's not about money and it's not about eugenics, it's about helping women in their time of need.
This is why we become doctors - to help people when they need medical attention. This is why I am becoming a doctor, because it's important to help people. And I do believe that abortion helps women in need.
I must ask, what is so wrong about women having a choice about their bodies?
@ladyEulaelie There are a number of doctors I know that have the desire to help women and become abortionists. Doctors choose their specialties for different reasons - some of them choose "life-style friendly specialties" like Emergency Medicine and Opthalmology (surgery of the eye), some of them choose a specialty because they feel a calling towards it and some choose specialties that are underrepresented.
lol. Nobody says, when I grow up, I want to vacuum and cut up baby parts out of women while, their would be mothers lay on a table shaking and crying while an RN nurse stand by and assure them, in between counting baby body parts to make sure the womb is completely vacated, that making their bodies a grave for their unborn child is most surely the right thing to do.
@ladyEulaelie No one says "When I grow up, I want to cut a hole into a person's throat to surgically intubate them" either but, it is a part of medicine. Let's face the facts, medicine is gritty work - you're dealing with biological bodily functions that aren't exactly clean. You go through anatomy lab in medical school, you witness surgical and gynecological work done in most standard rotations. You see the human condition up close and personal.
@ladyEulaelie Women cry while they are giving birth too, many times they cry and scream and what's worse? The ones who refuse pain meds! Medicine is emotional business, it's fraught with pain and even death. It's what doctors have to deal with - either learn how to or find something else to do.
@ladyEulaelie I just searched "Maafa21" and it has nothing to do with abortion, it just talks about eugenics. Let me say this again, abortion is not about eugenics - it's merely a practical way to allow women to utilize their right to choose what happens to their bodies.
Abortion and eugenics have a lot to do with each other and the eugenists who fund abortion openly admit it this, namely Ted Turner amongst many others. That is one powerful documentary that will open your mind to things you never thought of before and draw connections to things that that are generally unknown to the average person who barely knows who M. Sanger is.
@ladyEulaelie That's what they believe, yet abortion has nothing to do with eugenics. I'm not scared to watch your documentary, I just don't see the point in it - it talks about an irrelevant topic, eugenics.
I do believe that it might try to lie and say that abortion and eugenics are linked but that's like the Church of Scientology lying and saying that psychiatry and eugenics are linked. Have you ever thought about working for CCHR?
@ladyEulaelie That's what they believe, yet abortion has nothing to do with eugenics. I'm not scared to watch your documentary, I just don't see the point in it - it talks about an irrelevant topic, eugenics.
I do believe that it might try to lie and say that abortion and eugenics are linked but that's like the Church of Scientology lying and saying that psychiatry and eugenics are linked. Have you ever thought about working for CCHR?
Based on deeper reasons why women choose abortion why would call eugenics irrelevant to abortion? Its only irrelevant when its an inconvenient truth, and just like some healthy, pregnant females abort their "nuisances", you discredit something that would be a "nuisance" to your solution to a woman's problem that is unrelated, and has nothing to do w/ the heartbeat of her child.
Abortion goes deeper than you think. Research it more. I didn't think I was wrong but I was.
@ladyEulaelie No, it's irrelevant because abortion has nothing to do with eugenics. If you believe that Scientology and human rights have nothing to do with one another, is it because of an "inconvenient truth" or is it because of the facts that Scientology repeatedly abuses human rights and has for decades?
Abortion goes deeper because there are many women helped by abortion.
@ladyEulaelie No, it's not - because abortion IS irrelevant to eugenics. Your statement could be modified in the following ways and still be ridiculous:
"Saying that Barney Rubble is irrelevant to economics is like saying that the KKK is irrelevant to hate crimes"
"Saying that Google is irrelevant to electrical power is like saying..."
"Saying that mining is irrelevant to ballet is like saying..."
Abortion and eugenics are unrelated because of the fact that there is nothing in common.
Eugenics uses abortions and sterilization to control and increase "desirable traits" in a population. Abortion is a major part of their arsenal. Its ridiculous to say that abortion and eugenics have nothing in common when non-profit groups are heavily funded and headed by eugenists.
Guns can help defend ppl and I have nothing against guns, but it would be crazy to say that guns are irrelevant to gang violence. They have everything to do with ea. other.
@ladyEulaelie No, it doesn't because abortion is a woman's choice - a eugenicist has no influence over whether a woman choose to abort or to carry her child to term. If she says no, than that's that.
And while I do believe that guns hurt people, they have nothing to do with gang violence. Gang violence can occur without guns. Hell, up in Greeley, CO - a innocent woman was beaten to death by her boyfriend with a fire extinguisher.
Let me ask you, do the interest of big businesses and corporations and have anything to do with the consumers choice to buy their products? You mean to tell me that corporations, operations, major chains and major companies whose depend up on the consumer for their existence, don't have anything to do with your choice as a consumer to buy their products, eat their food, or shop at their stores? We all just make choice clear of outside influences? ...You sure about that?
@ladyEulaelie But your claim that abortion clinics target only minorities (the goal of eugenicists) is a lie. They serve anyone who comes to their door, regardless of race or socio-economic status. Women make the choice to have an abortion because (1) they unintentionally get pregnant and (2) they don't want to be pregnant or carry a child to term, therefore they seek out an abortion provider.
Abortion clinics don't ONLY target minorities, they also target people of a certain economic status, college students....
They largely target abortion services to theses select groups of ppl b/c there is a philosophical reason to target them, but you claim that this reason has nothing to do w/ abortion.
Mcdonalds doesn't target the people in Beverly Hills and sophisticated shopping malls don't build in poor areas. There is a reason for everything and is all about money.
@ladyEulaelie Yes, but that's because there are college students that get accidentally pregnant and need help. It's like a homeless shelter opening up where they are needed or a food bank opening where they are needed. They don't target them, they just go where the need is like any not-for-profit does.
There are crisis centers that open up their doors by offering prenatal & postnatal care, pregnancy & sex education& helps them find ways to support themselves & their babies and continue their education or find work after they deliver.
Again, if a woman takes her child to a clinic to kill her 6 mo. old, what is the difference between her case and a pregnant woman's case that logically justifies the killing of an unborn baby but in-excuses killing the 2 yr old?
@ladyEulaelie But crisis pregnancy centres have a history of lying to pregnant women and misrepresenting the facts so that they can't get an abortion. They try to scare women with lies in order to keep them from making a rational choice. Crisis Pregnancy Centres are a threat to the well-being of any community they dig their claws in.
There is no reputable doctor in the world who would kill a child 6 months old or 2 years old. Abortion is not the same as murder, you need to realize this.
And place like PP doesn't have a history of lying to ppl and concealing the truth so that they won't get away w/o 1st having an abortion? A minor who has been sexually abused could walk into a PP and get an abortion w/ her parents even knowing she was pregnant and without her rape being prosecuted. What a way to cover up child molestation. This scenario was rec. on tape. Besides, I would rather a go to a place that offers me more choices than to a place that doesn't.
@ladyEulaelie Planned Parenthood doesn't need to lie, it has the truth on it's side. A CPC is designed solely so that you don't have all of the available options - they will lie in order to scare you out of having an abortion. A CPC restricts your choices and lies to you.
If PP and other organizations alike don't need to lie than what business do they have lying on camera about fetal development and exposing their unlawful short cuts to hiding child rape, to a bunch of amateur college students doing a random experiment? Answer me that.
@ladyEulaelie No, abortion is not recognized as murder because we came to realize that a woman should have the right to control their bodies. I'm not avoiding your questions, you just refuse to accept the answers.
Neither is justified, killing a child is wrong no matter what. But what does that have to do with abortion?
Abortion is not recognized as murder b/c its protected by law, but so was slavery. You didn't answer my question. You've been avoiding my questions, because???
If a woman takes her child to a clinic to kill her 6 mo. old, what is the difference between her case and a pregnant woman's case that logically justifies the killing of an unborn baby but in-excuses killing the 6 mo. old?
Here is your moment to shine...so twinkle. I want you to answer my question.
You keep saying that abortion is something that happens to the woman's body, when you never defend a wrongful action that is happening against a woman's body, instead say that a woman should have the right to abort her child b/c she doesn't want to be a mother. Stick to that. Abortion is about the body of the fetus, even in its name.
You never properly defend why its ok to kill an unborn baby, or why it would have been ok to kick you out of my jet.
@ladyEulaelie Yes, I did. I have said before and I'll say it again, it is okay for any person to make medical decisions about their body. Abortion is a medical decision and a medical procedure. There is nothing immoral about it.
Not all abortions are medical procedures. You can take pills to get rid of a "nuisance" and go through your abortion at home.
There is nothing immoral about killing an innocent human being and there would be nothing immoral about me kicking you off my jet...that is not what you said earlier. Its only immoral when it about you but when its about someone else then its morally acceptable??
@ladyEulaelie You can take pills to get rid of tapeworm. Does that make it any less medical?
No, it would be completely immoral to kill an innocent human being or to kick me off of your jet while you were in air. But when a fetus is trespassing on a woman's body, the woman has every right to remove it.
I'm referring to a medical procedures that actually requires the woman to be in the clinic or hospital. A woman taking a pill at home is not really considered a medical procedure is it?
Trespassing is the entering of an unauthorized person on an owner's land or property w/o permission. When a woman gets pregnant and consents to sex, by default she takes a risk and consents to an the possibility of STDs and to pregnancy. Like I said, there is only ONE way to get pregnant.
@ladyEulaelie Yes, it is - it is medicine administered by a doctor.
And no, no one consents to getting a disease or pregnant. If their partner was dishonest about being disease free, it is not the newly infected person's fault. That's why we have laws requiring people with certain STDs to register with the State. And actually, as I have said before there are many ways to get pregnant - you just refuse to accept them.
Abortion pills have to be prescribed by MDs ...?? but that is about as close as you get on that one.
A man may not know he is infected, but we all know by know, how STDs are acquired, and if a a woman has consensual sexual intercourse w/ someone who is infected she submits her self to the possibility of also acquiring an STD & pregnancy.
If feels good now but if I do drugs I'm consenting to possibilities that I have to take responsibility for b/c of my choice to do drugs.
@ladyEulaelie But that doesn't mean that she WANTS to get pregnant or have a STD. Hell, with the lack of sexual education (thanks to retarded, self-destructive Christians), people don't know how to even ask their partners to take a STD test.
And you speak only of consensual sexual orientation - what about cases of rape?
Rape is a different case scenarioits not even 1-.5% of reported abortions.
I fight against the self-destructive Christians you speak of, the best way I can.
A person may not WANT induce psychosis or death from drug use...a person may not WANT a pregnancy or STDs but we are we are talking about the empowerment of choices that are not self-destructive or cause a woman to destroy herself or her own offspring due to the fact that she could have made better choices.
@ladyEulaelie But when these people have psychosis or STDs, we should help them because it'd be wrong to force them to suffer just because they chose to partake in an activity with some risk. Hell, everything has some risk - walking through a crosswalk has some risk, hitting your alarm clock in the morning has some risk of electrocution, driving has some risk...
And yet, when people are hit by cars or are electrocuted by their alarm clock, we don't say it's their fault.
Honey, accidents happen. I'm not talking about accidents. Pregnancy, unless its rape, is not an accident. A woman can't get pregnant by accident. Sure you can get hit by a car or get electrocuted by acc., but u can't get preg. by acc. It actually means that something has gone right w/ a sexual intercourse not that something has gone wrong.
Preg. may not come at the right time but show me a mom who wishes she would have aborted her kids. Thats nearly un-heard of.
@ladyEulaelie Yes, you are. Pregnancy does happen on accident and even after making all efforts to avoid it. A woman CAN get pregnant on accident, it happens very often - which is why there is a need for abortion. And no, it does not mean that something has gone right with sexual intercourse when you're trying NOT to get pregnant and are using birth control.
That's because a number of mothers who have had kids made the choice not to abort. They don't wish that at all.
Pregnancy is the natural result of sexual intercourse. If I mix grape powder with some water and get Koolaide thats no accident. If I mix soap w/ water and get bubbles, thats no accident. If I a couple has sex, can they really be all that shocked that they got pregnant even w/ protection? It may not have been what you wanted, but thats no accident. There its the ONLY way to have a baby....duh.
@ladyEulaelie Yes, it is an accident. Accident is defined as "an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury". An unintended pregnancy is (1) unfortunate, (2) unexpected, (3) unintentional and (4) typically results in damage or injury. Therefore... an unintended pregnancy is an accident.
Pregnancy may be an untimely event for someone it doesn't fit as a "accident". An accident is "a property of a thing that is not essential to its nature." Sexual intercourse is essential to the natural of getting pregnant. Its the only way to get pregnant.
@ladyEulaelie Again, no - it is not the only way to get pregnant - you even acknowledged that earlier so quit lying!
Pregnancy when it is unintended is an accident. I showed you how in the comment you replied to and yet, you're unwilling to accept that.
I'm tired of dealing with you because I have been talking with you for hours now and you can't even see how it is wrong to deny a woman the right to make choices about her own body. You can't even remember parts of a conversation long enough!
Me: "Yes, there is IVF, but besides that what are the different ways that people get pregnant besides sex?".
What lie? Come again?
Depending on circumstance, an accident can take on different meanings in the english language, however, when referring to sexual intercourse, preg. is not considered an "acc.". An acc. is, "a property of a thing that is not essential to its nature." You have to prove to me how sex. is not a property or something essential to the nature of preg.
Accident: "A property of a thing that is not essential to its nature."
If I grab a radio & submerge myself in my tub & get electrocuted, that is not a surprise, or an accident. If I jump in w/ my new invention that I'm sure will prevent elec.. but I get electro. anyway, its not an acc. even though I took a risk & elec. wasn't my intention. Thats a failure. calling a wonder such as preg. an acident, I find troubling. Women who are sexually irresponsible fail themselves.
I've asked u repeatedly to answer 2 questions & u have managed, in every all ur responses, to ans. not 1.
Laws r & should be based on principals. I'm seeking an answer from u that does not use circular reasoning, & extends beyond "___ is not wrong b/c of laws". So far ur support for legal abortion w/o med. reasons has been subjective, based on circular reasons & sometimes founded on erroneous scientific info. U have proven to me that u can't properly defend ur position.
Thats just disrespectful, im pro choice, but id never condone behavior like that
MissAnglophile1 5 months ago
what a waste of time lol.
Parkstar50 7 months ago
That's horrible. Whatever your philosophical viewpoint, those are memorials for the dead.
Anyone who messes with memorials/graves is not a person I wish to meet. There is *no* political justification good enough for it, ever.
tceBansai 8 months ago
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ActiveJackal 9 months ago
WHEN I SEE THIS I TRULY SEE "SATAN" ! WHAT EVIL DEHUMANIZING PEOPLE ARE WE, DISCUSTING!
carmel350 9 months ago
I find this to be offensive and not. The crosses themselves, for petty fetuses, are retarded. But some dumbass defacing them, to be an asshole is equally retarded. No respect on either side of the fence=assery. I'm pro-choice, but not pro-tresspassing or pro-destroy-crosses-to-be-faggot, either. Unles of course, someone decided to do it in memory of an abortion of mine, then I'd simply take away or destroy ONE, b/c that is my business, not some churchs'. I dunno.. this is complicated and stupid.
ryddelwearsahat 10 months ago 2
@TheCRBChurch People typically do just as much as the man before them. What is the point of creating yet another person? Plus, we are overpopulating the planet greatly as is.
ActiveJackal 11 months ago
@ActiveJackal SO, VIOLENCE AND MURDER AGAINST THE UNBORN IS THE SOLUTION FOR EVERYTHING? HERE'S A VIDEO YOU SHOULD SEE...IF YOU HAVE 27MINS "ECLIPSE OF REASON" ABORTION DOCUMENTARY.
carmel350 9 months ago
@ActiveJackal Then here's an idea, keep the legs closed, the condoms on (Though they don't work well), and quit trying to take the quick and easy path. If you have sex, expect a baby. Period. People who are politically correct endanger our system as is making condoms and pills seem like "miracle" items that work every time. We need to teach our kids to wait until they are ready to have children to have sex, and expect children if they don't. Otherwise, we are not teaching discipline anyways.
fwahoovaghad 6 months ago
@fwahoovaghad Discipline in this civilization went down the drain years ago. And if people take away the choice to abort,probably many youths will die from attempted home abortions. No, there is no miracle item.. But there are ways of reducing the risk of pregnancy. Just as safe driving can reduce the 1/40 chance of dying when on the road. People are going to have sex one way or another. If it weren't for organized religions trying to suppress the ideals of safe sex, this would be less common.
ActiveJackal 6 months ago
@ActiveJackal Here's the problem though. There is no such thing as safe sex. I was reading a book about this recently. And I will argue with the idea that discipline is impossible. You must discipline yourself, if you get an STD it's your fault, you get pregnant it's your fault if you are having sex. But safe sex doesn't exist, because there are no tools that make it safe. Condoms and birth control fail commonly. Just what i've learned from my research.
fwahoovaghad 6 months ago
@fwahoovaghad I would continue the whole arguement... But I just have to point out something. I have never had a condom break on me nor any of my friends. The ONE case that it broke is because someone did anal without lube. He was being an idiot. Have you ever tried to pull a condom over your head? It's quite possible.
ActiveJackal 6 months ago
@ActiveJackal Just what I read, and I won't argue with you because I don't know if that's true or not. And frankly...never really thought about pulling one over my head. XD
fwahoovaghad 5 months ago
@fwahoovaghad And I didn't mean it in a bad way. I Can legitimately pull it down to my nose and blow it up.
ActiveJackal 5 months ago
It was tom gabel
TheSaboteur97 1 year ago
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It's called responsibility and conscience; two of the greatest character flaws of today's young people.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
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ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
you would not be pro fetus if you weren't religous. Admit it.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL I am atheist and i am against abortion!
USSRStormtrooper 1 year ago
@USSRStormtrooper Well I never said that every atheist is against abortion. In fact, I respect the pro fetus crowd more if they are atheist because they feel that way about abortion because of how THEY feel about it and not by what there 2,000 year old storybook tells them.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
It's probably members of the Church doing it to draw attention to their dying cult.
RichardZERO 1 year ago
I go here and i know people there wouldnt do that.
Halstead2009 1 year ago
@Halstead2009 They put the fake graves up to draw attention, didn't they?
So what's wrong with knocking them down to get attention?
You anti-choicers don't get it... it's none of your buisness what a woman does to her own body, so shut the fuck up.
RichardZERO 1 year ago
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swimrfreak29 1 year ago
are that graves?
bazarganski2 1 year ago
hmmm I guess they aren't so pro CHOICE when it comes to people seeing the facts on abortion.
miggetymike1 1 year ago
I dont understand the right. They are all about embryos, fetuses, gestating women and LIFE (allegedly), but when it comes to healthcare, welfare, and other social programs to help improve the quality of LIFE for the poor, they insist that those things are privileges and not rights. HYPOCRISY!
apathag 2 years ago
i dont understand the left. they are all for women's rights and gay's rights and animal rights, but what about the rights of the unborn child does he or she get no choice on his of her life? hypocrisy!!!!
thrashslasher0311 2 years ago
The unborn child is not sentient until very late in the pregnancy.:)
truevoiceofsanity 2 years ago
this is soooo much worse than the prolife people who, degrade women by calling them murderers, blow up clinics and murder doctors! (although i do agree that it's not right, for either side to be cruel)
sarakai 2 years ago 3
Pro-abortionist kill people, Over 4,000 a year. These people have never degraded women or bombed any clinics. You cant blaim the the actions of few on the majority.
Halstead2009 2 years ago
.... isn' that exactly what this video does? and what you just did? did you read the rest of my comment, it says that I don't agree with either side of prochoice vs antiabortion being cruel to each other.
sarakai 2 years ago
Gee, nevermind that it just might have been some board teenagers, or drunken idots out causing trouble. Most pro-CHOICEers respct your POV, and would not do something like this. Same thing happened here in Idaho, guess what, it was a bunch of young, drunk, 20-somethings out causing trouble. Not everything it the fault of the "liberals". It was liberal ideology that allows you to express your anti-choice views, and religion.
juliagoolia79 2 years ago
if you would read in the info it would tell it was a pro-abortion group....
Halstead2009 2 years ago
I am saying that there is no proof of that it was pro-choice group. This very same thing happened here, blamed on a pro-choice group, when in all actuality it was teenagers, not pro-choicers. This video has no audio, no news clips, no news coverage, no follow up, I'm not going to believe it was a pro-choice group, just because the title says so, I have better critical thinking skills than that.
juliagoolia79 2 years ago 2
Yes it did happen, this is at least the 3rd time. The first time they broke out the windows, it was the worst of the 3. Our church in the past has had many people speak against us putting up our crosses out. Yes there was a news clip on it WSAZ cover the story. I belive that your "critical thinking skills" need more thought.
TheCRBChurch 2 years ago
This is why every liberal scum needs to be wiped off the face of the earth.....
SuperShyGuy62 2 years ago
Thats a horrible thing to say, neith tho they may be wrong we should pray for them that they may see the error in their way.
TheCRBChurch 2 years ago 3
i apologize. i might have been out of line. they anger me so much, but... i guess god wants us to pray for them instead of creating more violence. thank you for showing me a better way.
SuperShyGuy62 2 years ago
@SuperShyGuy62 Because they ran over some pieces of wood? Wow. You must be christian.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL lol no im not a christian but i am a realist. I believe every one has a right to believe what ever they want, even if i may disagree with it. I think its funny when people go on and on about choice but yet they try to silence those who disagree with them.
USSRStormtrooper 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL
These crosses are not just pieces of wood; they were placed out of respect & in remembrance for the unborn who were aborted for whatever reason. It brings peace to women who grieve.
The grandma I never knew died to save her baby's life & when I see the ultimate display of a woman's love to her child & then such an honorable display of love to a community its amazing.
Nobody cares about what you think of Christians, Muslims or Atheist. Have some respect and have a great day.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Why don't you look at the comment I was responding to. He said "This is why we need to wipe liberal scum" off the face of the planet.. Yet you're mad for what I said!!! Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind seeing no more liberals in the country but I'm not gonna preach genocide.
And the pieces of wood set up in rememberence for aborted fetuses are ancient execution devices from which for some reason, your religion has adopted as the holy symbol. Sorry for bringing you to reality.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL
So u make an ignorant comment to an ignorant comment??
Yes, I am a Christian, but I don't have a "holy" symbol. I'm not Catholic or some other religion that relish crosses and what kind of reality do you live in where you or I have to be Catholic/other to respect other ppl beliefs? I pass on the actuality of ur kind. I want to live in a world that doesn't treat ppl w/ any less dignity/respect b/c of their gender, race, economic status or religious/philosophical beliefs.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie " I pass on the actuality of ur kind. I want to live in a world that doesn't treat ppl w/ any less dignity/respect b/c of their gender, race, economic status or religious/philosophical beliefs."
My KIND respects humanity way more than you religious folk. That is irrefutably true. We don't need to believe in a book that tells you to kill your neighbor just for working on the sabbath day, in order to have good morals.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL
What does my personal beliefs have to do with the fact that all ppl should respect all people?
Your shoty exegesis is so terribly incorrect, I won't even bother addressing it b/c I doubt you're interested in getting anything right about my beliefs as EVERYTHING you suggested has been very wrong/stereoptical. Keep stating your half truths if it gets you off. Do what works for you.
A person doesn't make such insensitive comments than brag about how moral they are. Good day.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
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@ladyEulaelie You said people of my "kind" don't respect other people. So what exactly are people of my "kind"? You call me out on a mistake and yet you refuse to address what the mistake was??!!?? Typical.
Why should I have to hold my tongue if you are oversensitive about things?
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie You said people of my "kind." What exactly do you mean by, my "kind"? You call me out on a mistake and yet you refuse to address what the mistake was???!!?? Typical.
Why should I have to hold my tongue because you are oversensitive about things?
ladyEulaelie
Books:The greatest scientific, non-fiction book, the Holy Bible
HAHA!! what a joke
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL
Its perfectly fine, even interesting not to agree w/ someone's personal beliefs. Its even ok to verbally spar or box w/ them but you don't fight dirty & at the end of the match, you touch gloves. Thats the "kind" of ppl I'm proud to associate myself w/. I have an Atheist friend who is from communist China. We debate and I appreciate her "kind". Ur words demonstrated to me that ur of a different "kind".
Laughing is good for the soul & it releases tension...have a go =)
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie And exactly what words made you think that way?
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
Thanks for standing for the unborn.
RANDYandROSEY 2 years ago 2
if you were in Norway you'de be lucky the whole fucking church didnt get torched.
rivergap420 2 years ago
tell me, wise and righteous CRB Church, how can you tell that the driver of the mystery vehicle was pro-choice? and furthermore, an atheist? you have absolutely no idea who ran over your crosses. it could have been a pro-choice athiest, or a pro-choice christian, or a completely hammered jew... no matter the denomination i think you have a harmless case of drinking and running over stuff on your hands (don't need to be of any particular faith to enjoy that)
kb1043 2 years ago
well like i have said before this is the 3rd or 4th time this has happened when we have set up the crosses, plus wha kinda points to the fact that they are pro-choice is the fact that accouple of years ago the spray painted on the church, and o so kindly broke out the windows of our church.. I never said the vandals were atheist... nor did i say the vandals was a jew..
TheCRBChurch 2 years ago
abotin is wrong, and bumb to this church for making a stand, anyone who is for abortion has some serious moral problems
victoryisGods 2 years ago
oh c'mon. so what they ran over your crosses. get over it.
goingemoguy 2 years ago
hummm destruction of property, erratic driving(some one could have been killed) , not only that but its a hate crime aginsts a religion.
anAmericanINFIDEL 2 years ago
so your saying an atheist cant be pro life
TenaciousTyler20 2 years ago
how many atheist are......
iFLAGEDurVideo 2 years ago
i know most of my atheist friends are pro choice. religion has nothing to do with it
TenaciousTyler20 2 years ago
if some one ran over 4,000 rainbow flags i guess you wounld say get over it...
anAmericanINFIDEL 2 years ago 2
i mean it does get annoying spending hours outside putting these up and then only to put them up agan after some one has done this..
TheCRBChurch 2 years ago
@TheCRBChurch How about not putting them up in the first place? How about recognizing the fact that women should have a choice about whether or not they want a baby growing inside of them instead of forcing them to carry an unwanted child to term.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@Jessica. These crosses are not about women's rights, its about remembrance of the aborted. The unborn are HERE; they are not a thought or gleamer in the eye nor are they "choices", lets fairly deal w/ them. They are our responsibility to be protected & nurtured b/c they ARE 1 of us. A mature woman will be mature & woman enough to not run behind laws that keep her from having to deal w/ HER sexual CHOICES. Regardless our opinions, these crosses are not about u and ur "choices". Recognize that.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Suppose you come into my clinic with a tapeworm... should I remove it or should I let it grow inside you because it'll allow you to deal with your gastronomical CHOICES? The crosses for these non-persons is like putting crosses for the tapeworms and heartworms killed by MDs, DOs or DVMs in a pet cemetery.
Just because a woman wants to have sex doesn't mean that she should be punished with an unwanted child...
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
If an unborn baby isn't a human being then what kind of being is it?
A parasite is a life form that a detrimental force upon its host and that serves as NO biological benefit to humans. Obviously a baby isn't a parasite. To make a comparison of an unborn baby, a HUMAN (just like you and I) to that of a tape worm is ridiculous.
We are women...we are men with wombs. Why would you compare the essence of who women are to single celled organisms found in poop?
Cont...
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie "A parasite is a life form that a detrimental force upon its host and that serves as NO biological benefit" If a fetus is unwanted, it's detrimental and offers NO biological benefit to it's host, stealing resources and energy from the host. Obviously, if it is unwanted, it is a parasite. An unborn baby is not just like you and I. For example, we don't leech off of the body of a host. Well, I don't.
I make the comparison because it is apt. It is an unwanted lifeform.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
A fetus could never be considered a parasite. That is scientifically incorrect. Pregnancy is a symbiotic relationship where the baby and the mother benefit off each other. Pregnancy is not a disease; having a tape worm is. Not only that but pregnancy is how she continues her species...thats why she has a womb.
A baby is not, was not and will never be a "parasite". Women will say ANYTHING to convince themselves and others that a unborn baby is inferior and invasive.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Well, that's only because a parasite has to be a different species from it's host - just like any symbiotic relationship. But other than that, an unwanted fetus is pretty much like a parasite with the exception of being the same species as it's host. How does a woman benefit when she has an unintended and unwanted pregnancy?
An unwanted fetus inside a woman IS invasive by virtue of the fact that it IS unwanted.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
We have natural floura living in and on the outside of our bodies...they are not parasitic b/c we benefit and often need them.
A baby maybe unwanted, but women have to acknowledge their choice to bring in that human being that they now don't want by standing by the choices they make. Thats fair. The fact that women don't stand by their choices in the 1st place tells me that the majority of them don't care about choice nor understand the responsibility behind "choice".
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Yes and we consume dead or live animals and plants to generate energy to allow our bodies to continue to function.
Many women DO stand by their choices - websites like "Thanks, Abortion!" or "I'm Not Sorry" show that there are women that choose to have an abortion and are glad that they have had it. I don't understand why you say that women don't stand by their choices... obviously, they do - otherwise abortion clinics will be out of business.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
How could I hold a sign that says "my body my choice", knowing full well that the night I conceive, it was my body and AND my choice? Its not rocket science figuring out where babies come from. The disrespect for human life is incredibly sic...if its not a human being than what kind of being is it?? What about the women who were raped and didn't have a choice? "Choice" has become a joke and human life has been made into a mockery.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Because, when you had sex - it wasn't your choice to get pregnant, it was your choice to have sex. I do believe that fetuses are human beings but the fact is that a woman shouldn't be forced to carry a child if she doesn't want to. Especially when we have medical technology to prevent and correct such things.
How do you figure that human life has been made into a mockery? I mean, I find life interesting - probably why I'm doing a Bio major for my pre-medical studies.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
If a person licks the underside of a public toilet bowel for a certain amount of $, is it their intent to get sick? But if they get sick, thats on them.
If a person walks a tight rope between 2 buildings for a certain amount of $ , is it their intent to fall? But if the falls, thats on them.
If a gay man has sex w/ at a bathhouse w/ people he knows may or may not have HIV and he uses protection, is it his intent to get HIV? But if he gets HIV, thats on him.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Yes, but people can use condoms and birth control (implants, diaphragm, etc) but still get pregnant - they knew the consequences and did everything they could to evade the consequences. We shouldn't make them suffer just because the methods of birth control they used didn't work. Plus, when you don't have comprehensive, pragmatic, realistic sex education in schools - there are some people that don't know the consequences or ways to reduce the likelihood of them.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Abortion isn't about women's rights for me. There should be no dispute if a fetus is human or not. Science rules that it is. My principals are, that if a innocent human life deserves the right to live, it should follow that an unborn baby deserves the right to live even if its mother doesn't want it. There is a greater principal to be held.
Human life is not held sacred any more. People have desensitized themselves to what it means to kill.
Now let me ask you a Q.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie But abortion is about women's rights, whether you believe that it is or not. Fetuses die every day, either due to miscarriages or fatal birth defects - so not every fetus has a "right to life", proven by the ones that come out of their mother stillborn.
A fetus does not deserve the right to life just like I don't have a right to live in an apartment if I'm not paying the rent. A woman should have the choice whether she wants to carry the child or not.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Abortion and killing are about the same as Chemotherapy and killing or Appendectomy and killing.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Lets say that there are no laws here, only principal.
I'm flying my jet across the Atlantic ocean to Europe. Many hours into the flight I discover there is another person on my jet. ITS YOU! You explain your presence on my jet and I come to the conclusion that it not of any fault of your own how you ended up there, however I would like u off my jet. You quietly help urself to some of my food and drink and await for landing. Would it be ok for me to eject you off my jet?
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Not really. But let me ask you this - if I needed a kidney and you had one that matched me, is it my right to steal your kidney because of my right to life? Or if I needed a pint of blood and we were the same blood type, would it be my right to steal blood from you because of my right to life?
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
If I had something in abundance, it would be humanitarian for me to help you. There should be no reason for you to steal blood. People generally are more than willing to help others in this sense b/c they can relate to people like them, however this is harder to do when a human being is tiny, hidden its mother's womb instead of crying and sucking its thumb in the nursery. People have the tendency to see other humans who don't look like them as inferior beings.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Yes, but you have the choice to refuse - I donate blood and bone marrow but I have the right to stop at any time. I'm on the Organ Donor registry but I have the right to get off at any time. A woman should have the choice to refuse to continue to grow a fetus.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
You don't comprise of all the ppl who donate blood, bone marrow or organs. If I go to the hospital in need of blood, it is most certainly not be denied help as there is usually always a supply.
I have yet to find any justification in my scenario for throwing you off of my jet or justification for killing an unborn baby, in the event that the mother's life is not at jeopardy. I have yet to find any justification for abortion that doesn't also justifies infanticide.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie No, I don't - you're right. But I do comprise all of the people who donate MY blood, bone marrow and organs.
But the justification for abortion is that women have the right to choose whether to have a child or not. Women have the right to make important decisions about their health care just like any other patient. As a future MD, it would be hypocritical for me to deny a woman the right to have an abortion because I believe patients need to have some say in their care.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
I don't care how you cook it, & season it, healthy women can choose to not have kids but not to kill them. If I have fungus of the nails and scalp I make use of my healthcare. My healthy nails & hair are apart of my body but a manicure & blow out is not "healthcare". A healthy woman killing a healthy unborn baby is not legitimate form of "healthcare", thats "childcare" for 98% of the sissy/lost/poor excuses of women who can't own their choices and want to dodge motherhood.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Yes, it is a legitimate form of health care. It is a medical procedure, performed by trained doctors in a clinical setting. You have to have a MD and either a OB/GYN residency or a fellowship that adds extended OB/GYN training to a Family Medicine residency. You have to do what's best for the patient's health and prescribe medicines and sometimes surgeries. It IS a medical procedure because it can only be done by MDs and DOs.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Not all abortions are medical procedures and like most cosmetic medical procedures, which are performed by MDs, Its an unnecessary form of healthcare...like a butt implants. Its not needed and its not done for the sake of the woman's health, only for her convenience. How many women died...how many lost a mom, wife, daughter, bff, not because a woman was doing what was best for their health, but b/c they were doing what catered to what would be convenient for them? Too many
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Actually, abortions are critically necessary medical care because there are many women that need abortions. Just like we need Infectious Disease doctors, Pathologists, Radiologists, Oncologists and Toxicologists - doctors who remove OTHER unwanted, harmful bodies from the patient returning them to health.
It is rare to find a woman who has died from abortion when compared to the number of procedures performed. Abortion is a very safe procedure.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie And you insult these women who HAVE made the choice to abort their children, saying that they can't own their choices (even though they can, the ones that choose to and don't follow through are the one's that can't) and yes, they don't want to be mothers. Last I checked, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to be a mother.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
They didn't own their choice to risk pregnancy. Thats a fact.
Some1 near and dear to me aborted her daughter. She didn't own her choice. Thats a fact. She inspires me. I admire & respect her and look up to her. This is about owning up to our responsibilities pure and simple and I can't support something that is anti-me as a woman. I believe abortion does women a dis-service and so did the early feminist, but in this age, abortion is not about protecting a woman's health
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Actually, they probably weighed the risks - likely even used birth control to reduce the likelihood of those risks. Abortion actually does women a service by providing them the mechanism by which they can choose whether or not they want to have a child. I don't think that choice is such a bad thing.
Abortion is about protecting a woman's health and more importantly, protecting her right to make choices about her health.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
What if you are aborting a female child? Do you not also fight for her rights, yet kill her at the same time??
Ironically, women who want such rights b/c "its their body" don't even have the right to choose to terminate their own body but the law allows them to terminate their own babies.
"If Abortion is merely about womens' rights, than what were mine? b/c there was no radical feminist yelling about how my rights were being violated that day" -Abortion survivor G. Jensen
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Your rights end where my nose begins. A woman should have the rights to her own womb and if she wanted no child in there, that's her choice.
I've talked with Jensen before - I believe that she serves an evil cause, the anti-choice cause. Her rights didn't infringe on the rights of her host because she doesn't have the right to be a parasite. It's not animal cruelty to remove a tapeworm from it's host.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Jensen hold no grudge against the woman who tried to abort her. She stands up for the ones who can't stand up for themselves. What a testimony of character. You may not agree with her or the Mrs. Roe, the woman who is now pro-life, but their cause is not for evil.
M. Sanger's cause was for evil agenda. She is the founder of 1 of the largest chains that abort unborn babies. Corporations are out to make money and they don't care about women or their babies.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Planned Parenthood is a NOT-FOR-PROFIT corporation much like Habitat for Humanity, Stout Street Clinic (a homeless clinic in Denver), Greenpeace and the National Centre for Transgender Equality. All of these are corporations but they're not out for a profit - they are for helping people in need of help.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Planned parenthood claims to be "non-profit" but they of course they make a net profit. In fact from what I read, they have revieved over "Excess of Revenue Over Expenses = $85 MILLION (PROFIT)
Net Assets = $1.014 BILLION"
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Where is this info that you have read? Is it on some biased anti-choice site of lies or is it a site with no stake the matter (i.e. Secretary of State, IRS, etc)?
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Denying anyone the right to choose what happens to their body is evil. It is wrong to deny anyone the right to make decisions about their health care - just like it is wrong to dishonour a DNR. Jensen and Roe are used by the anti-choice liars in a way to generate emotional appeals.
So-called "Pro-life" is only for life when you're in the womb. Once you're born, they don't give a damn about you, even less of a damn if you are a female because they are against your rights.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
In this context, abortion is not about denying healthy pregnant women rights to their body, its about the right of another individual's body that is not recognized as a human life, not having rights to theirs. No child deserves be killed b/c it was their mother's "right" to commit a wrong.
Who doesn't give a damn about who?? I stand against abortion b/c its anti- woman. You can't take some copied and pasted, virally used statement and paint every pro-lifer one color.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie No, abortion is a practical means of allowing women to exercise the rights to their body. And I don't see how abortion is wrong - since a woman has every right to choose what happens to her body. Abortion is a valid and appropriate choice for many women.
Abortion is very pro-woman and I didn't copy and paste what I said, everything I've said came from within. As for anti-choice liars, I can because they choose to stand against women's rights.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie A procedure that helps women carry out their choice whether to have a child or not is NOT "anti-woman", it's actually pro-woman.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
You must be a freshman bio major. I've already rebutted you with scientific facts on why an unborn baby is NOT a parasite, yet you insist on continuing with this absurd analogy w/ erroneous information that a unborn baby is a parasite.
I used to be prochoice. I had ur mnd set. I used to think the same way as you 2 yrs ago. I know who I am and what my morals & values are and where I stand. I will always speak up for the voices that can't speak up for themselves.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie I am but I have admitted that, except for the fact that parasites (like all members of a symbiotic relationship) need to be a different species from their host, a fetus is LIKE a parasite in every other way. It's not absurd and it's not erroneous - it's factual.
Why did you decide to speak against women's rights rather than for them?
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
I am a woman too. I vehemently hate seeing the exploitation of women by corporations who began seeking to wipe and "low status" offspring off the face of their earth b/c "slum, mothers" "inferior, minority races" were "unfit". Nothings changed. Abortion opposes my belief in the worth of of ALL humans.
"When you consider that women have been treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit." -Stanton
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie No, it doesn't. You see, abortion isn't about wiping "low status" offspring off of the face of the earth, it's about offering a mechanism for which women have the CHOICE about whether they want to have an abortion or not.
If you want to blame someone for the abortion of a minority fetus, blame the mother - she's the one that chose it - but don't blame abortion because (like all science) it doesn't share our prejudices.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Sad truth...if you are one of the big wigs of a corporations who are in beds with Eugenists, that is exactly what it is about. Watch the documentary of Maafa21 here on youtube and try not to punch a wall. I will never be pro-choice again, not after knowing what I know. Its sic.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie But if you're a doctor working in some clinic in a rural hellhole like Kansas, it's not about money and it's not about eugenics, it's about helping women in their time of need.
This is why we become doctors - to help people when they need medical attention. This is why I am becoming a doctor, because it's important to help people. And I do believe that abortion helps women in need.
I must ask, what is so wrong about women having a choice about their bodies?
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Thats all very nice and everything but this is not reality. And who ever says they want to grow up to kill babies...or surgically remove bunions?
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie There are a number of doctors I know that have the desire to help women and become abortionists. Doctors choose their specialties for different reasons - some of them choose "life-style friendly specialties" like Emergency Medicine and Opthalmology (surgery of the eye), some of them choose a specialty because they feel a calling towards it and some choose specialties that are underrepresented.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
lol. Nobody says, when I grow up, I want to vacuum and cut up baby parts out of women while, their would be mothers lay on a table shaking and crying while an RN nurse stand by and assure them, in between counting baby body parts to make sure the womb is completely vacated, that making their bodies a grave for their unborn child is most surely the right thing to do.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie No one says "When I grow up, I want to cut a hole into a person's throat to surgically intubate them" either but, it is a part of medicine. Let's face the facts, medicine is gritty work - you're dealing with biological bodily functions that aren't exactly clean. You go through anatomy lab in medical school, you witness surgical and gynecological work done in most standard rotations. You see the human condition up close and personal.
Nothing's clean about that.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Women cry while they are giving birth too, many times they cry and scream and what's worse? The ones who refuse pain meds! Medicine is emotional business, it's fraught with pain and even death. It's what doctors have to deal with - either learn how to or find something else to do.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie I just searched "Maafa21" and it has nothing to do with abortion, it just talks about eugenics. Let me say this again, abortion is not about eugenics - it's merely a practical way to allow women to utilize their right to choose what happens to their bodies.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Abortion and eugenics have a lot to do with each other and the eugenists who fund abortion openly admit it this, namely Ted Turner amongst many others. That is one powerful documentary that will open your mind to things you never thought of before and draw connections to things that that are generally unknown to the average person who barely knows who M. Sanger is.
What? You sacred to watch it?
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie That's what they believe, yet abortion has nothing to do with eugenics. I'm not scared to watch your documentary, I just don't see the point in it - it talks about an irrelevant topic, eugenics.
I do believe that it might try to lie and say that abortion and eugenics are linked but that's like the Church of Scientology lying and saying that psychiatry and eugenics are linked. Have you ever thought about working for CCHR?
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie That's what they believe, yet abortion has nothing to do with eugenics. I'm not scared to watch your documentary, I just don't see the point in it - it talks about an irrelevant topic, eugenics.
I do believe that it might try to lie and say that abortion and eugenics are linked but that's like the Church of Scientology lying and saying that psychiatry and eugenics are linked. Have you ever thought about working for CCHR?
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Based on deeper reasons why women choose abortion why would call eugenics irrelevant to abortion? Its only irrelevant when its an inconvenient truth, and just like some healthy, pregnant females abort their "nuisances", you discredit something that would be a "nuisance" to your solution to a woman's problem that is unrelated, and has nothing to do w/ the heartbeat of her child.
Abortion goes deeper than you think. Research it more. I didn't think I was wrong but I was.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie No, it's irrelevant because abortion has nothing to do with eugenics. If you believe that Scientology and human rights have nothing to do with one another, is it because of an "inconvenient truth" or is it because of the facts that Scientology repeatedly abuses human rights and has for decades?
Abortion goes deeper because there are many women helped by abortion.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Saying that eugenics is irrelevant to abortion is like saying that the KKK is irrelevant to hate crimes and discrimination against minorities.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie No, it's not - because abortion IS irrelevant to eugenics. Your statement could be modified in the following ways and still be ridiculous:
"Saying that Barney Rubble is irrelevant to economics is like saying that the KKK is irrelevant to hate crimes"
"Saying that Google is irrelevant to electrical power is like saying..."
"Saying that mining is irrelevant to ballet is like saying..."
Abortion and eugenics are unrelated because of the fact that there is nothing in common.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Eugenics uses abortions and sterilization to control and increase "desirable traits" in a population. Abortion is a major part of their arsenal. Its ridiculous to say that abortion and eugenics have nothing in common when non-profit groups are heavily funded and headed by eugenists.
Guns can help defend ppl and I have nothing against guns, but it would be crazy to say that guns are irrelevant to gang violence. They have everything to do with ea. other.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie No, it doesn't because abortion is a woman's choice - a eugenicist has no influence over whether a woman choose to abort or to carry her child to term. If she says no, than that's that.
And while I do believe that guns hurt people, they have nothing to do with gang violence. Gang violence can occur without guns. Hell, up in Greeley, CO - a innocent woman was beaten to death by her boyfriend with a fire extinguisher.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Let me ask you, do the interest of big businesses and corporations and have anything to do with the consumers choice to buy their products? You mean to tell me that corporations, operations, major chains and major companies whose depend up on the consumer for their existence, don't have anything to do with your choice as a consumer to buy their products, eat their food, or shop at their stores? We all just make choice clear of outside influences? ...You sure about that?
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie But your claim that abortion clinics target only minorities (the goal of eugenicists) is a lie. They serve anyone who comes to their door, regardless of race or socio-economic status. Women make the choice to have an abortion because (1) they unintentionally get pregnant and (2) they don't want to be pregnant or carry a child to term, therefore they seek out an abortion provider.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Abortion clinics don't ONLY target minorities, they also target people of a certain economic status, college students....
They largely target abortion services to theses select groups of ppl b/c there is a philosophical reason to target them, but you claim that this reason has nothing to do w/ abortion.
Mcdonalds doesn't target the people in Beverly Hills and sophisticated shopping malls don't build in poor areas. There is a reason for everything and is all about money.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Yes, but that's because there are college students that get accidentally pregnant and need help. It's like a homeless shelter opening up where they are needed or a food bank opening where they are needed. They don't target them, they just go where the need is like any not-for-profit does.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
There are crisis centers that open up their doors by offering prenatal & postnatal care, pregnancy & sex education& helps them find ways to support themselves & their babies and continue their education or find work after they deliver.
Again, if a woman takes her child to a clinic to kill her 6 mo. old, what is the difference between her case and a pregnant woman's case that logically justifies the killing of an unborn baby but in-excuses killing the 2 yr old?
An answer.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie But crisis pregnancy centres have a history of lying to pregnant women and misrepresenting the facts so that they can't get an abortion. They try to scare women with lies in order to keep them from making a rational choice. Crisis Pregnancy Centres are a threat to the well-being of any community they dig their claws in.
There is no reputable doctor in the world who would kill a child 6 months old or 2 years old. Abortion is not the same as murder, you need to realize this.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
And place like PP doesn't have a history of lying to ppl and concealing the truth so that they won't get away w/o 1st having an abortion? A minor who has been sexually abused could walk into a PP and get an abortion w/ her parents even knowing she was pregnant and without her rape being prosecuted. What a way to cover up child molestation. This scenario was rec. on tape. Besides, I would rather a go to a place that offers me more choices than to a place that doesn't.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Planned Parenthood doesn't need to lie, it has the truth on it's side. A CPC is designed solely so that you don't have all of the available options - they will lie in order to scare you out of having an abortion. A CPC restricts your choices and lies to you.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
If PP and other organizations alike don't need to lie than what business do they have lying on camera about fetal development and exposing their unlawful short cuts to hiding child rape, to a bunch of amateur college students doing a random experiment? Answer me that.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Do you have proof of this?
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Search "Planned Parenthood deceptive, manipulative abortion SALES PITCH".
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie I'm asking about your statement, can you provide references to reporting on this issue?
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
The video is the reference.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
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ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie No, abortion is not recognized as murder because we came to realize that a woman should have the right to control their bodies. I'm not avoiding your questions, you just refuse to accept the answers.
Neither is justified, killing a child is wrong no matter what. But what does that have to do with abortion?
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways How would you like to make a CHOICE for you.
DisinheritedKnightt 1 year ago
@DisinheritedKnightt Huh? Could you rephrase that into something that makes sense?
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Abortion is not recognized as murder b/c its protected by law, but so was slavery. You didn't answer my question. You've been avoiding my questions, because???
If a woman takes her child to a clinic to kill her 6 mo. old, what is the difference between her case and a pregnant woman's case that logically justifies the killing of an unborn baby but in-excuses killing the 6 mo. old?
Here is your moment to shine...so twinkle. I want you to answer my question.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Non-profit..lol as if they don't turn over a net pro-fit...
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
You keep saying that abortion is something that happens to the woman's body, when you never defend a wrongful action that is happening against a woman's body, instead say that a woman should have the right to abort her child b/c she doesn't want to be a mother. Stick to that. Abortion is about the body of the fetus, even in its name.
You never properly defend why its ok to kill an unborn baby, or why it would have been ok to kick you out of my jet.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Yes, I did. I have said before and I'll say it again, it is okay for any person to make medical decisions about their body. Abortion is a medical decision and a medical procedure. There is nothing immoral about it.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Not all abortions are medical procedures. You can take pills to get rid of a "nuisance" and go through your abortion at home.
There is nothing immoral about killing an innocent human being and there would be nothing immoral about me kicking you off my jet...that is not what you said earlier. Its only immoral when it about you but when its about someone else then its morally acceptable??
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie You can take pills to get rid of tapeworm. Does that make it any less medical?
No, it would be completely immoral to kill an innocent human being or to kick me off of your jet while you were in air. But when a fetus is trespassing on a woman's body, the woman has every right to remove it.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
I'm referring to a medical procedures that actually requires the woman to be in the clinic or hospital. A woman taking a pill at home is not really considered a medical procedure is it?
Trespassing is the entering of an unauthorized person on an owner's land or property w/o permission. When a woman gets pregnant and consents to sex, by default she takes a risk and consents to an the possibility of STDs and to pregnancy. Like I said, there is only ONE way to get pregnant.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Yes, it is - it is medicine administered by a doctor.
And no, no one consents to getting a disease or pregnant. If their partner was dishonest about being disease free, it is not the newly infected person's fault. That's why we have laws requiring people with certain STDs to register with the State. And actually, as I have said before there are many ways to get pregnant - you just refuse to accept them.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Abortion pills have to be prescribed by MDs ...?? but that is about as close as you get on that one.
A man may not know he is infected, but we all know by know, how STDs are acquired, and if a a woman has consensual sexual intercourse w/ someone who is infected she submits her self to the possibility of also acquiring an STD & pregnancy.
If feels good now but if I do drugs I'm consenting to possibilities that I have to take responsibility for b/c of my choice to do drugs.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie But that doesn't mean that she WANTS to get pregnant or have a STD. Hell, with the lack of sexual education (thanks to retarded, self-destructive Christians), people don't know how to even ask their partners to take a STD test.
And you speak only of consensual sexual orientation - what about cases of rape?
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Rape is a different case scenarioits not even 1-.5% of reported abortions.
I fight against the self-destructive Christians you speak of, the best way I can.
A person may not WANT induce psychosis or death from drug use...a person may not WANT a pregnancy or STDs but we are we are talking about the empowerment of choices that are not self-destructive or cause a woman to destroy herself or her own offspring due to the fact that she could have made better choices.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie But when these people have psychosis or STDs, we should help them because it'd be wrong to force them to suffer just because they chose to partake in an activity with some risk. Hell, everything has some risk - walking through a crosswalk has some risk, hitting your alarm clock in the morning has some risk of electrocution, driving has some risk...
And yet, when people are hit by cars or are electrocuted by their alarm clock, we don't say it's their fault.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Honey, accidents happen. I'm not talking about accidents. Pregnancy, unless its rape, is not an accident. A woman can't get pregnant by accident. Sure you can get hit by a car or get electrocuted by acc., but u can't get preg. by acc. It actually means that something has gone right w/ a sexual intercourse not that something has gone wrong.
Preg. may not come at the right time but show me a mom who wishes she would have aborted her kids. Thats nearly un-heard of.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Yes, you are. Pregnancy does happen on accident and even after making all efforts to avoid it. A woman CAN get pregnant on accident, it happens very often - which is why there is a need for abortion. And no, it does not mean that something has gone right with sexual intercourse when you're trying NOT to get pregnant and are using birth control.
That's because a number of mothers who have had kids made the choice not to abort. They don't wish that at all.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Pregnancy is the natural result of sexual intercourse. If I mix grape powder with some water and get Koolaide thats no accident. If I mix soap w/ water and get bubbles, thats no accident. If I a couple has sex, can they really be all that shocked that they got pregnant even w/ protection? It may not have been what you wanted, but thats no accident. There its the ONLY way to have a baby....duh.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Yes, it is an accident. Accident is defined as "an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury". An unintended pregnancy is (1) unfortunate, (2) unexpected, (3) unintentional and (4) typically results in damage or injury. Therefore... an unintended pregnancy is an accident.
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Pregnancy may be an untimely event for someone it doesn't fit as a "accident". An accident is "a property of a thing that is not essential to its nature." Sexual intercourse is essential to the natural of getting pregnant. Its the only way to get pregnant.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Again, no - it is not the only way to get pregnant - you even acknowledged that earlier so quit lying!
Pregnancy when it is unintended is an accident. I showed you how in the comment you replied to and yet, you're unwilling to accept that.
I'm tired of dealing with you because I have been talking with you for hours now and you can't even see how it is wrong to deny a woman the right to make choices about her own body. You can't even remember parts of a conversation long enough!
JessicaSideways 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Me: "Yes, there is IVF, but besides that what are the different ways that people get pregnant besides sex?".
What lie? Come again?
Depending on circumstance, an accident can take on different meanings in the english language, however, when referring to sexual intercourse, preg. is not considered an "acc.". An acc. is, "a property of a thing that is not essential to its nature." You have to prove to me how sex. is not a property or something essential to the nature of preg.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
Accident: "A property of a thing that is not essential to its nature."
If I grab a radio & submerge myself in my tub & get electrocuted, that is not a surprise, or an accident. If I jump in w/ my new invention that I'm sure will prevent elec.. but I get electro. anyway, its not an acc. even though I took a risk & elec. wasn't my intention. Thats a failure. calling a wonder such as preg. an acident, I find troubling. Women who are sexually irresponsible fail themselves.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@JessicaSideways
I've asked u repeatedly to answer 2 questions & u have managed, in every all ur responses, to ans. not 1.
Laws r & should be based on principals. I'm seeking an answer from u that does not use circular reasoning, & extends beyond "___ is not wrong b/c of laws". So far ur support for legal abortion w/o med. reasons has been subjective, based on circular reasons & sometimes founded on erroneous scientific info. U have proven to me that u can't properly defend ur position.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago