The A320 automatically transitioned from FLIGHT mode to GROUND mode when the right wheel touched down briefly, despite the plane still being airborne. GROUND mode halves the controls - which makes for smoother landings - but in this case meant the pilots couldn't correct for the sudden wind gusts.
Despite the comment in the description... That is a good 20º WCA. At a sea level airport, Vapp I estimate at 135 Kt (nominal correction included) for a 60 tonne LW, gives us 135 x Sin(20º) = 46 Kt crosswind component. The A320's limit is 38 Kt crosswind component, including gusts. They should not even have attempted this.
@CaptWindShear Most European companies require you to land on the first time and land no matter what. They're a lot stricter than the American companies. This guy also hit full power before wheels down, but the spool up time on those engines is massive and part of the reason for this happening. Lotta bad things lead to stuff like this.
Er macht einen Witz. Bonus is, at least you showed your "Germanness" through lack of the understand of sarcasm, which was probably more funny than the original joke.
Er macht einen Witz. Bonus is, at least you showed your "Germanness" through lack of the understand of sarcasm, which was probably more funny than the original joke.
thanks this is very interesting. just a few questions, please answer :) , is hamburg airport also the zurich airport? which runway was this too? thanks
I'm not an airline pilot - in fact hadn't flown anything but light aircraft - all 20 years ago - but isn't the technique for crosswind landings different for heavy aircraft? I remember that video of Boeing testing their planes at the remote airfield in Brazil - seems like they all touched the mains still crabbed then straightened it with rudder.
well sometimes pilots have no choice but to land no matter the conditions they have a limited amount of fuel depending on the length of the trip. i work on boeing 717, bae 146 and dash 8 aircraft, and have seen crosswind landings before pretty amazing to watch.
a big fat red "override" button for "computer problems" for both pilots
and
"ground mode" only in case that all back wheels are on ground.
i guess its long time for a discussion about the power of computers without a "general shut off" possibility for pilots to override, but i am no pilot and have no knowledge on this matter. this are only ideas. the pilots have to enforce and decide.
on the news today: one year after - investigators claim that on-board computers porbably responsible for the almost-crash. because after the right-wheel touchdown, the on-board systems switch the mode of operation to "on the ground", as a consequence the computer limits the steering range of the vertical stabilizers, for three seconds, until the pilot intervens, pulls up, and the stabilizers are fully functional again. airbus has not officially commented on that weakness of the software.
Should the pilot have even been attempting to land in those conditions?! I would not like to have pilots taking that kind of reckless risk with my life! Surely those extreme wind conditions were outside of company protocol?
In mid-November 2007, my wife and I returned from Tenerife to Sturup Airpost in south Sweden. The departure with the Airbus 320 went OK, the plane went very steeply up. A smooth travel across the Atlantic and over the southeast parts of Spain. When we had reached Geneva and the Alps, major turbulence started and lasted for about two hours. I have never experienced anything more terrible. We were thrown in all directions, sitting in the middle of the plane. Awful - but we got down safely at last.
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Twenty-one flights destined for Denver International Airport had to land in Colorado Springs Saturday after strong winds made the airport too dangerous to land at.
Heavy wind shear made conditions too dangerous for the airlines to land, said DIA spokesman Jeff Green.
The winds kept up all day long creating delays at DIA as planes were diverted to Colorado Springs.
Once the wind died down, all the flights were able to resume to DIA. That's how we do it here dumb europeans
Stop insulting the pilots. Im giving the captian and the co-pilot credit to handle the plane after that awful sideways landing. It was a pilot reflex to gear up and fly instead gearing down and try to slow down, If he turned the heat down the left wing may hit the floor and cause damage and set the passangers life on risk.
you cant say the pilot is to blame. The landing was a typical cross wind landing that most real pilots encounter all the time. The fact is there was a sudden gust just before touch down. As for the pilot 'did well to take back off'.... The planes computer automaticaly takes back of if it thinks that there is no chance of landing. There clever these planes you know.
i was looking at this vid on sky news at dublin airport an hour before my flight to paris... i am a nervous flyer so this vid was not a good thing to see on tv! haha
The pilot who fly that air plane bad arasss i rate that man nuff pilot don't have the balls to fly like that so all the bad things you speaking about that pilot you all full shit it take real balls to fly in weather like that china and Japan famous for cross landing nuff respect from the Antigua & Barbuda Crew (up coming pilot)
thank you,archietherobot!I'm still waiting for "jetpilot2004" to tell us idiots & laymen how many PIC hours he or she has! This video has nothing to do with flying skill, but more with over-estimating the skill of the person flying the plane. It could have been totally avoided & I'm sure SIM sessions will prove that it was stupid to do, but maybe flyable by a more experienced pilot.
He is approaching with a severe cross wind. He's trained to crab into the wind to keep the wings level and the passengers comfortable. When he uses the rudder to straighten out he accelerates the upwind wing which creates lift and raises it. The strong crosswind gets under the uplifted wing and, well, the results are shown. He should have slipped the plane, kept the upwing wing down. When he leveled it would not have accelerated the wing and created additional lift.
The captain is to blame. Hello?! Even if the FO was flying, the captain used poor judgement and he is in charge, so it's his problem. They took a risk with passengers, if they want to kill themselves, don't take anyone else with them. I wouldn't want those idiots flying me around!
U're the IDIOT here, Dr-Pussy-Pinky!!! What do laymen and idiots like u know about flying a jet, huh?!?! It would be nice to see how u wud react in a scenario like that! For all the rest of u, u don't realize what commercial pressures and how much of ur own pride and loyalty is involved in trying to land an airplane in even Wx like that! Not that any pro-pilot would ever want to jeopardize their own safety trying it! But it comes down to this:
if the twr. controller reports that X-wind, including it's gust factor, is within ur limits, u WOULD continue that approach, and attempt a landing. What happened to these folks thereafter, is down to Luck, God and HISTORY!!! (unlike u, i fly these big-birds professionally!!!)
how many hours do you have flying a commercial jet? As PIC? or have you ever flown a plane? My husband has almost 20,000 hours flying commercially, 10,000 as PIC. And don't call me an idiot. I'm far from it. And I know ALL about the pressures of flying. Please let all of us idiots know how many hours you have in- I'm sure it's a whole lot!
jetpilot 2004, we're all waiting to hear how many PIC hours you have. Luck & God have nothing to do with it- pride is out of it too. It's called common sense & experience. And experience says you don't take chances with passengers-end of story. That's a great way to end up unemployed. Or flying commuters. Out of curiosity, what plane do you fly and what seat do you sit in?
I just want to say that flying commuters is not a bad thing, it's usually a stepping stone to bigger planes or someone who wants to be home every night with their family & not be flying for weeks on end.Like my spouse. He always says you don't get paid to fly a jet, you get paid to leave home & family behind. I don't want commuter pilots to think I think their job is less important.
Listen, what u saw here was a fine display of extreme skill. who cares if it was a woman or man or Capt or FO. bottom line is s/he was able to pull up and abort, whereas I agree that luck and ego dont enter into it, u dont have glass ball either. Im sure ur hubbie would have done the same. unless he's never flown either. u cant predict when something like this happens, you can only deal with it. and deal with it they did. so praise them rather than bitchin.
The A320 automatically transitioned from FLIGHT mode to GROUND mode when the right wheel touched down briefly, despite the plane still being airborne. GROUND mode halves the controls - which makes for smoother landings - but in this case meant the pilots couldn't correct for the sudden wind gusts.
Despite the comment in the description... That is a good 20º WCA. At a sea level airport, Vapp I estimate at 135 Kt (nominal correction included) for a 60 tonne LW, gives us 135 x Sin(20º) = 46 Kt crosswind component. The A320's limit is 38 Kt crosswind component, including gusts. They should not even have attempted this.
@CaptWindShear Most European companies require you to land on the first time and land no matter what. They're a lot stricter than the American companies. This guy also hit full power before wheels down, but the spool up time on those engines is massive and part of the reason for this happening. Lotta bad things lead to stuff like this.
Er macht einen Witz. Bonus is, at least you showed your "Germanness" through lack of the understand of sarcasm, which was probably more funny than the original joke.
Er macht einen Witz. Bonus is, at least you showed your "Germanness" through lack of the understand of sarcasm, which was probably more funny than the original joke.
thanks this is very interesting. just a few questions, please answer :) , is hamburg airport also the zurich airport? which runway was this too? thanks
I'm not an airline pilot - in fact hadn't flown anything but light aircraft - all 20 years ago - but isn't the technique for crosswind landings different for heavy aircraft? I remember that video of Boeing testing their planes at the remote airfield in Brazil - seems like they all touched the mains still crabbed then straightened it with rudder.
well sometimes pilots have no choice but to land no matter the conditions they have a limited amount of fuel depending on the length of the trip. i work on boeing 717, bae 146 and dash 8 aircraft, and have seen crosswind landings before pretty amazing to watch.
a big fat red "override" button for "computer problems" for both pilots
and
"ground mode" only in case that all back wheels are on ground.
i guess its long time for a discussion about the power of computers without a "general shut off" possibility for pilots to override, but i am no pilot and have no knowledge on this matter. this are only ideas. the pilots have to enforce and decide.
on the news today: one year after - investigators claim that on-board computers porbably responsible for the almost-crash. because after the right-wheel touchdown, the on-board systems switch the mode of operation to "on the ground", as a consequence the computer limits the steering range of the vertical stabilizers, for three seconds, until the pilot intervens, pulls up, and the stabilizers are fully functional again. airbus has not officially commented on that weakness of the software.
Should the pilot have even been attempting to land in those conditions?! I would not like to have pilots taking that kind of reckless risk with my life! Surely those extreme wind conditions were outside of company protocol?
In mid-November 2007, my wife and I returned from Tenerife to Sturup Airpost in south Sweden. The departure with the Airbus 320 went OK, the plane went very steeply up. A smooth travel across the Atlantic and over the southeast parts of Spain. When we had reached Geneva and the Alps, major turbulence started and lasted for about two hours. I have never experienced anything more terrible. We were thrown in all directions, sitting in the middle of the plane. Awful - but we got down safely at last.
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Twenty-one flights destined for Denver International Airport had to land in Colorado Springs Saturday after strong winds made the airport too dangerous to land at.
Heavy wind shear made conditions too dangerous for the airlines to land, said DIA spokesman Jeff Green.
The winds kept up all day long creating delays at DIA as planes were diverted to Colorado Springs.
Once the wind died down, all the flights were able to resume to DIA. That's how we do it here dumb europeans
Stop insulting the pilots. Im giving the captian and the co-pilot credit to handle the plane after that awful sideways landing. It was a pilot reflex to gear up and fly instead gearing down and try to slow down, If he turned the heat down the left wing may hit the floor and cause damage and set the passangers life on risk.
you cant say the pilot is to blame. The landing was a typical cross wind landing that most real pilots encounter all the time. The fact is there was a sudden gust just before touch down. As for the pilot 'did well to take back off'.... The planes computer automaticaly takes back of if it thinks that there is no chance of landing. There clever these planes you know.
i was looking at this vid on sky news at dublin airport an hour before my flight to paris... i am a nervous flyer so this vid was not a good thing to see on tv! haha
The pilot who fly that air plane bad arasss i rate that man nuff pilot don't have the balls to fly like that so all the bad things you speaking about that pilot you all full shit it take real balls to fly in weather like that china and Japan famous for cross landing nuff respect from the Antigua & Barbuda Crew (up coming pilot)
thank you,archietherobot!I'm still waiting for "jetpilot2004" to tell us idiots & laymen how many PIC hours he or she has! This video has nothing to do with flying skill, but more with over-estimating the skill of the person flying the plane. It could have been totally avoided & I'm sure SIM sessions will prove that it was stupid to do, but maybe flyable by a more experienced pilot.
He is approaching with a severe cross wind. He's trained to crab into the wind to keep the wings level and the passengers comfortable. When he uses the rudder to straighten out he accelerates the upwind wing which creates lift and raises it. The strong crosswind gets under the uplifted wing and, well, the results are shown. He should have slipped the plane, kept the upwing wing down. When he leveled it would not have accelerated the wing and created additional lift.
The captain is to blame. Hello?! Even if the FO was flying, the captain used poor judgement and he is in charge, so it's his problem. They took a risk with passengers, if they want to kill themselves, don't take anyone else with them. I wouldn't want those idiots flying me around!
U're the IDIOT here, Dr-Pussy-Pinky!!! What do laymen and idiots like u know about flying a jet, huh?!?! It would be nice to see how u wud react in a scenario like that! For all the rest of u, u don't realize what commercial pressures and how much of ur own pride and loyalty is involved in trying to land an airplane in even Wx like that! Not that any pro-pilot would ever want to jeopardize their own safety trying it! But it comes down to this:
if the twr. controller reports that X-wind, including it's gust factor, is within ur limits, u WOULD continue that approach, and attempt a landing. What happened to these folks thereafter, is down to Luck, God and HISTORY!!! (unlike u, i fly these big-birds professionally!!!)
how many hours do you have flying a commercial jet? As PIC? or have you ever flown a plane? My husband has almost 20,000 hours flying commercially, 10,000 as PIC. And don't call me an idiot. I'm far from it. And I know ALL about the pressures of flying. Please let all of us idiots know how many hours you have in- I'm sure it's a whole lot!
jetpilot 2004, we're all waiting to hear how many PIC hours you have. Luck & God have nothing to do with it- pride is out of it too. It's called common sense & experience. And experience says you don't take chances with passengers-end of story. That's a great way to end up unemployed. Or flying commuters. Out of curiosity, what plane do you fly and what seat do you sit in?
I just want to say that flying commuters is not a bad thing, it's usually a stepping stone to bigger planes or someone who wants to be home every night with their family & not be flying for weeks on end.Like my spouse. He always says you don't get paid to fly a jet, you get paid to leave home & family behind. I don't want commuter pilots to think I think their job is less important.
Listen, what u saw here was a fine display of extreme skill. who cares if it was a woman or man or Capt or FO. bottom line is s/he was able to pull up and abort, whereas I agree that luck and ego dont enter into it, u dont have glass ball either. Im sure ur hubbie would have done the same. unless he's never flown either. u cant predict when something like this happens, you can only deal with it. and deal with it they did. so praise them rather than bitchin.
This is real BS. Of course Cpt. and FO should have the same level of knowledge. And they should have the same amount of SIM and flight training. But there is definitely a difference: experience. Flight hours, types flown, etc, etc.
Pilots always choose who gets the landing. At least on all of my flights..
copilot was a 24year old girl, she was in charge of the airbus. in germany they are discussing right now what could have happened and who is to blame for that. typically german ;)
Oh please. What are you, Taliban? There's a thousand female pilots that could out-fly most male pilots. The test data does not support your assertion.
More passenger aircraft have been crashed due to male pilot error than female pilot error, per capita corrected. That 737 was laying off about 50 deg into that gusting crosswind and that was a fine display of flying.
You would have crashed your playstation and fallen off your chair into your crisps trying that.
right, and you think that discussing about who is to blame for an almost disaster and how it came to that in order to learn from failures that nearly caused a lot of deaths is limited only to Germany? Really?
I don't know about you, but you sound like a typical german...
The pilot was so close from causing an unnecessary air disaster. He should have request diversion to other airport or runway instead of testing his own skill to the limit.
in a storm that covered almost all northern europe? :/ guess it would have been better to cancel all flights for security reasons, diversion was nearly impossible.
In German Television they said, that the flight controller, did say that there is wind up to 55 knots but that he isn´t able to cancel the landingprocedure, because it is the desicion of the Captain where he is landing!? I think he is very good in his job, and I can not believe that the flight control is unable to give him the "better" runway...
Great pilot that he was able to save the situation! Not-so-smart flight control giving him this particular landing strip instead of the other, not so strongly effected or tell him to wait / fly to Berlin instead!
What always amazes me is that why doesn't the pilot just pull out the "bullshit" flag and say:
"Negative! Unable landing runway 33 due to weather. Request runway 23 for landing!"
Which is where he landed later anyway.
The airport should have switched runways way before the incident occurred but probably have some silly noise abatement rule in effect which says they have to use runway 33 unless the crosswind is to high........
It is the pilots choice which runway s/he wants to use because s/he is ultimately the ones taking the responsibility. 2nd runway 33 was chosed because it was supported by an automated landing system. If it hadnt been for that one gust it would have been a spot on landing and the wind speeds were wel below the max for that type of aircraft.
I like you, bugmenot101! It's amazing how many experts have come out of the woodwork to say what a great job these pilots did, when in reality they screwed with people's lives & someone else's airplane by taking an unnecessary chance. My husband would have refused this landing and gone around, and he's flown into some very dangerous airports,especially in South America. Which is probably why he has survived 36 years of commercial flying!
It is the pilots choice which runway s/he wants to use because s/he is ultimately the ones taking the responsibility. 2nd runway 33 was chosed because it was supported by an automated landing system. If it hadnt been for that one gust it would have been a spot on landing and the wind speeds were wel below the max for that type of aircraft.
I like you, bugmenot101! It's amazing how many experts have come out of the woodwork to say what a great job these pilots did, when in reality they screwed with people's lives & someone else's airplane by taking an unnecessary chance. My husband would have refused this landing and gone around, and he's flown into some very dangerous airports,especially in South America. Which is probably why he has survived 36 years of commercial flying!
Amazing video. Very good from the crew they managed to go around. Luckely nobody got hurt! We also had this storm 'Emma' in The Netherlands. It didn't caused very much problems, although Schiphol (Amsterdam Airport) had some trouble with the flight schedule caused by the wind. Flights were cancelled and there were many delays that and the following day.
The A320 automatically transitioned from FLIGHT mode to GROUND mode when the right wheel touched down briefly, despite the plane still being airborne. GROUND mode halves the controls - which makes for smoother landings - but in this case meant the pilots couldn't correct for the sudden wind gusts.
nhand42 4 months ago
Despite the comment in the description... That is a good 20º WCA. At a sea level airport, Vapp I estimate at 135 Kt (nominal correction included) for a 60 tonne LW, gives us 135 x Sin(20º) = 46 Kt crosswind component. The A320's limit is 38 Kt crosswind component, including gusts. They should not even have attempted this.
CaptWindShear 7 months ago
@CaptWindShear Most European companies require you to land on the first time and land no matter what. They're a lot stricter than the American companies. This guy also hit full power before wheels down, but the spool up time on those engines is massive and part of the reason for this happening. Lotta bad things lead to stuff like this.
UkieStudios 1 month ago
DaNeon83!
Typisch deutsche?
Was soll das denn bitte? als ob die anderen Länder nie Fehler machen würden oder?
Frag dich doch mal wie du dich in so einer Situation verhalten würdest!
Echt solche Leute, die solche Vorurteile haben nerven mich!
TheStreberClub1428 1 year ago
@TheStreberClub1428
Er macht einen Witz. Bonus is, at least you showed your "Germanness" through lack of the understand of sarcasm, which was probably more funny than the original joke.
Hutcho12 1 year ago
@TheStreberClub1428
Er macht einen Witz. Bonus is, at least you showed your "Germanness" through lack of the understand of sarcasm, which was probably more funny than the original joke.
Hutcho12 1 year ago
thanks this is very interesting. just a few questions, please answer :) , is hamburg airport also the zurich airport? which runway was this too? thanks
trollydodger 1 year ago
@trollydodger No, Hamburg is located in the north of Germany. Zurich is the capital of Switserland. The runway in the vid is EDDH (Hamburg) 33.
vdbniels 1 year ago
i was there fuck!
enzio81 1 year ago
Wow. Im sure that was fun for the passengers. I would crapped my pants! :\
choliop5 1 year ago
I'm not an airline pilot - in fact hadn't flown anything but light aircraft - all 20 years ago - but isn't the technique for crosswind landings different for heavy aircraft? I remember that video of Boeing testing their planes at the remote airfield in Brazil - seems like they all touched the mains still crabbed then straightened it with rudder.
wlb50 1 year ago
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asapilot3064 2 years ago
well sometimes pilots have no choice but to land no matter the conditions they have a limited amount of fuel depending on the length of the trip. i work on boeing 717, bae 146 and dash 8 aircraft, and have seen crosswind landings before pretty amazing to watch.
REGGBRO 2 years ago
in theory this is no weakness?
i would mind two things:
a big fat red "override" button for "computer problems" for both pilots
and
"ground mode" only in case that all back wheels are on ground.
i guess its long time for a discussion about the power of computers without a "general shut off" possibility for pilots to override, but i am no pilot and have no knowledge on this matter. this are only ideas. the pilots have to enforce and decide.
xtom1973 2 years ago
on the news today: one year after - investigators claim that on-board computers porbably responsible for the almost-crash. because after the right-wheel touchdown, the on-board systems switch the mode of operation to "on the ground", as a consequence the computer limits the steering range of the vertical stabilizers, for three seconds, until the pilot intervens, pulls up, and the stabilizers are fully functional again. airbus has not officially commented on that weakness of the software.
Chisuz 2 years ago 2
Oh,That was fun,lets go back up and do this again.
Surely in adverse conditions they would divert the aircraft
chuckadave 2 years ago
had a lot of flights, had 2 emergency landings both with lufthansa...still alive
holybushman 2 years ago
Hats off to the pilot. Good job well done. Not a repeat of the Garuda stuff up.
bluedog1976 3 years ago
Amazing
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago
lufthansa pilot-->skill!
Kupferstecher2007 3 years ago 2
does someone know how much a pilot earn ??
FALASTINI93 3 years ago
i think about 5000/month..but i'm not very sure..tschuss!
marcowavrdol 3 years ago
hmm!! not so much!! where r u from?
FALASTINI93 3 years ago
from venice, italy..you?
marcowavrdol 3 years ago
ok ich habe kontrolliert..in average a commercial captain earns a little less than $200 per hour..so it's €140..per 78 to 120 hours/month..
marcowavrdol 3 years ago
naja!! nicht so viel oder??
FALASTINI93 3 years ago
some chief pilots for large commercial airlines (BA, Air France, American Airlines) earn more than £150,000 a year.
cheesemaster1000 3 years ago
to papaoscaroscar:
Should the pilot have even been attempting to land in those conditions?! I would not like to have pilots taking that kind of reckless risk with my life! Surely those extreme wind conditions were outside of company protocol?
alanpurchase 3 years ago
its Lufthansa
Locker10a 3 years ago
F**K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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p2ba 3 years ago
In mid-November 2007, my wife and I returned from Tenerife to Sturup Airpost in south Sweden. The departure with the Airbus 320 went OK, the plane went very steeply up. A smooth travel across the Atlantic and over the southeast parts of Spain. When we had reached Geneva and the Alps, major turbulence started and lasted for about two hours. I have never experienced anything more terrible. We were thrown in all directions, sitting in the middle of the plane. Awful - but we got down safely at last.
postwarswede 3 years ago
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Twenty-one flights destined for Denver International Airport had to land in Colorado Springs Saturday after strong winds made the airport too dangerous to land at.
Heavy wind shear made conditions too dangerous for the airlines to land, said DIA spokesman Jeff Green.
The winds kept up all day long creating delays at DIA as planes were diverted to Colorado Springs.
Once the wind died down, all the flights were able to resume to DIA. That's how we do it here dumb europeans
congaleader2000 3 years ago
Stop insulting the pilots. Im giving the captian and the co-pilot credit to handle the plane after that awful sideways landing. It was a pilot reflex to gear up and fly instead gearing down and try to slow down, If he turned the heat down the left wing may hit the floor and cause damage and set the passangers life on risk.
KillARadee 3 years ago
you cant say the pilot is to blame. The landing was a typical cross wind landing that most real pilots encounter all the time. The fact is there was a sudden gust just before touch down. As for the pilot 'did well to take back off'.... The planes computer automaticaly takes back of if it thinks that there is no chance of landing. There clever these planes you know.
dalesteel 3 years ago
Totally agree with 'sonpit'!
jeffreygoddijn 3 years ago
Every pilot that I have talked to said that this pilot screwed up, is not a hero and should go back to training
sonpit 3 years ago
i was looking at this vid on sky news at dublin airport an hour before my flight to paris... i am a nervous flyer so this vid was not a good thing to see on tv! haha
andrea00mc 3 years ago
i want that 24 yr old girl. i saw her in the news. she is great.
cynth0984 3 years ago
The pilot who fly that air plane bad arasss i rate that man nuff pilot don't have the balls to fly like that so all the bad things you speaking about that pilot you all full shit it take real balls to fly in weather like that china and Japan famous for cross landing nuff respect from the Antigua & Barbuda Crew (up coming pilot)
djgravity268 3 years ago
thank you,archietherobot!I'm still waiting for "jetpilot2004" to tell us idiots & laymen how many PIC hours he or she has! This video has nothing to do with flying skill, but more with over-estimating the skill of the person flying the plane. It could have been totally avoided & I'm sure SIM sessions will prove that it was stupid to do, but maybe flyable by a more experienced pilot.
dressagepinky 3 years ago
He is approaching with a severe cross wind. He's trained to crab into the wind to keep the wings level and the passengers comfortable. When he uses the rudder to straighten out he accelerates the upwind wing which creates lift and raises it. The strong crosswind gets under the uplifted wing and, well, the results are shown. He should have slipped the plane, kept the upwing wing down. When he leveled it would not have accelerated the wing and created additional lift.
ddoler 3 years ago
emsmaps: its actually the controller who decides where the aeroplane lands.
slippysam1 3 years ago
should of aborted way earlier. I bet he got suspended for a bit.
Voiding 3 years ago
The captain is to blame. Hello?! Even if the FO was flying, the captain used poor judgement and he is in charge, so it's his problem. They took a risk with passengers, if they want to kill themselves, don't take anyone else with them. I wouldn't want those idiots flying me around!
dressagepinky 3 years ago
U're the IDIOT here, Dr-Pussy-Pinky!!! What do laymen and idiots like u know about flying a jet, huh?!?! It would be nice to see how u wud react in a scenario like that! For all the rest of u, u don't realize what commercial pressures and how much of ur own pride and loyalty is involved in trying to land an airplane in even Wx like that! Not that any pro-pilot would ever want to jeopardize their own safety trying it! But it comes down to this:
JetPilot2004 3 years ago
if the twr. controller reports that X-wind, including it's gust factor, is within ur limits, u WOULD continue that approach, and attempt a landing. What happened to these folks thereafter, is down to Luck, God and HISTORY!!! (unlike u, i fly these big-birds professionally!!!)
JetPilot2004 3 years ago
how many hours do you have flying a commercial jet? As PIC? or have you ever flown a plane? My husband has almost 20,000 hours flying commercially, 10,000 as PIC. And don't call me an idiot. I'm far from it. And I know ALL about the pressures of flying. Please let all of us idiots know how many hours you have in- I'm sure it's a whole lot!
dressagepinky 3 years ago
jetpilot 2004, we're all waiting to hear how many PIC hours you have. Luck & God have nothing to do with it- pride is out of it too. It's called common sense & experience. And experience says you don't take chances with passengers-end of story. That's a great way to end up unemployed. Or flying commuters. Out of curiosity, what plane do you fly and what seat do you sit in?
dressagepinky 3 years ago
I just want to say that flying commuters is not a bad thing, it's usually a stepping stone to bigger planes or someone who wants to be home every night with their family & not be flying for weeks on end.Like my spouse. He always says you don't get paid to fly a jet, you get paid to leave home & family behind. I don't want commuter pilots to think I think their job is less important.
dressagepinky 3 years ago
Listen, what u saw here was a fine display of extreme skill. who cares if it was a woman or man or Capt or FO. bottom line is s/he was able to pull up and abort, whereas I agree that luck and ego dont enter into it, u dont have glass ball either. Im sure ur hubbie would have done the same. unless he's never flown either. u cant predict when something like this happens, you can only deal with it. and deal with it they did. so praise them rather than bitchin.
aochoa81 3 years ago
The A320 automatically transitioned from FLIGHT mode to GROUND mode when the right wheel touched down briefly, despite the plane still being airborne. GROUND mode halves the controls - which makes for smoother landings - but in this case meant the pilots couldn't correct for the sudden wind gusts.
nhand42 4 months ago
Despite the comment in the description... That is a good 20º WCA. At a sea level airport, Vapp I estimate at 135 Kt (nominal correction included) for a 60 tonne LW, gives us 135 x Sin(20º) = 46 Kt crosswind component. The A320's limit is 38 Kt crosswind component, including gusts. They should not even have attempted this.
CaptWindShear 7 months ago
@CaptWindShear Most European companies require you to land on the first time and land no matter what. They're a lot stricter than the American companies. This guy also hit full power before wheels down, but the spool up time on those engines is massive and part of the reason for this happening. Lotta bad things lead to stuff like this.
UkieStudios 1 month ago
DaNeon83!
Typisch deutsche?
Was soll das denn bitte? als ob die anderen Länder nie Fehler machen würden oder?
Frag dich doch mal wie du dich in so einer Situation verhalten würdest!
Echt solche Leute, die solche Vorurteile haben nerven mich!
TheStreberClub1428 1 year ago
@TheStreberClub1428
Er macht einen Witz. Bonus is, at least you showed your "Germanness" through lack of the understand of sarcasm, which was probably more funny than the original joke.
Hutcho12 1 year ago
@TheStreberClub1428
Er macht einen Witz. Bonus is, at least you showed your "Germanness" through lack of the understand of sarcasm, which was probably more funny than the original joke.
Hutcho12 1 year ago
thanks this is very interesting. just a few questions, please answer :) , is hamburg airport also the zurich airport? which runway was this too? thanks
trollydodger 1 year ago
@trollydodger No, Hamburg is located in the north of Germany. Zurich is the capital of Switserland. The runway in the vid is EDDH (Hamburg) 33.
vdbniels 1 year ago
i was there fuck!
enzio81 1 year ago
Wow. Im sure that was fun for the passengers. I would crapped my pants! :\
choliop5 1 year ago
I'm not an airline pilot - in fact hadn't flown anything but light aircraft - all 20 years ago - but isn't the technique for crosswind landings different for heavy aircraft? I remember that video of Boeing testing their planes at the remote airfield in Brazil - seems like they all touched the mains still crabbed then straightened it with rudder.
wlb50 1 year ago
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asapilot3064 2 years ago
well sometimes pilots have no choice but to land no matter the conditions they have a limited amount of fuel depending on the length of the trip. i work on boeing 717, bae 146 and dash 8 aircraft, and have seen crosswind landings before pretty amazing to watch.
REGGBRO 2 years ago
in theory this is no weakness?
i would mind two things:
a big fat red "override" button for "computer problems" for both pilots
and
"ground mode" only in case that all back wheels are on ground.
i guess its long time for a discussion about the power of computers without a "general shut off" possibility for pilots to override, but i am no pilot and have no knowledge on this matter. this are only ideas. the pilots have to enforce and decide.
xtom1973 2 years ago
on the news today: one year after - investigators claim that on-board computers porbably responsible for the almost-crash. because after the right-wheel touchdown, the on-board systems switch the mode of operation to "on the ground", as a consequence the computer limits the steering range of the vertical stabilizers, for three seconds, until the pilot intervens, pulls up, and the stabilizers are fully functional again. airbus has not officially commented on that weakness of the software.
Chisuz 2 years ago 2
Oh,That was fun,lets go back up and do this again.
Surely in adverse conditions they would divert the aircraft
chuckadave 2 years ago
had a lot of flights, had 2 emergency landings both with lufthansa...still alive
holybushman 2 years ago
Hats off to the pilot. Good job well done. Not a repeat of the Garuda stuff up.
bluedog1976 3 years ago
Amazing
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago
lufthansa pilot-->skill!
Kupferstecher2007 3 years ago 2
does someone know how much a pilot earn ??
FALASTINI93 3 years ago
i think about 5000/month..but i'm not very sure..tschuss!
marcowavrdol 3 years ago
hmm!! not so much!! where r u from?
FALASTINI93 3 years ago
from venice, italy..you?
marcowavrdol 3 years ago
ok ich habe kontrolliert..in average a commercial captain earns a little less than $200 per hour..so it's €140..per 78 to 120 hours/month..
marcowavrdol 3 years ago
naja!! nicht so viel oder??
FALASTINI93 3 years ago
some chief pilots for large commercial airlines (BA, Air France, American Airlines) earn more than £150,000 a year.
cheesemaster1000 3 years ago
to papaoscaroscar:
Should the pilot have even been attempting to land in those conditions?! I would not like to have pilots taking that kind of reckless risk with my life! Surely those extreme wind conditions were outside of company protocol?
alanpurchase 3 years ago
its Lufthansa
Locker10a 3 years ago
F**K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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p2ba 3 years ago
In mid-November 2007, my wife and I returned from Tenerife to Sturup Airpost in south Sweden. The departure with the Airbus 320 went OK, the plane went very steeply up. A smooth travel across the Atlantic and over the southeast parts of Spain. When we had reached Geneva and the Alps, major turbulence started and lasted for about two hours. I have never experienced anything more terrible. We were thrown in all directions, sitting in the middle of the plane. Awful - but we got down safely at last.
postwarswede 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Twenty-one flights destined for Denver International Airport had to land in Colorado Springs Saturday after strong winds made the airport too dangerous to land at.
Heavy wind shear made conditions too dangerous for the airlines to land, said DIA spokesman Jeff Green.
The winds kept up all day long creating delays at DIA as planes were diverted to Colorado Springs.
Once the wind died down, all the flights were able to resume to DIA. That's how we do it here dumb europeans
congaleader2000 3 years ago
Stop insulting the pilots. Im giving the captian and the co-pilot credit to handle the plane after that awful sideways landing. It was a pilot reflex to gear up and fly instead gearing down and try to slow down, If he turned the heat down the left wing may hit the floor and cause damage and set the passangers life on risk.
KillARadee 3 years ago
you cant say the pilot is to blame. The landing was a typical cross wind landing that most real pilots encounter all the time. The fact is there was a sudden gust just before touch down. As for the pilot 'did well to take back off'.... The planes computer automaticaly takes back of if it thinks that there is no chance of landing. There clever these planes you know.
dalesteel 3 years ago
Totally agree with 'sonpit'!
jeffreygoddijn 3 years ago
Every pilot that I have talked to said that this pilot screwed up, is not a hero and should go back to training
sonpit 3 years ago
i was looking at this vid on sky news at dublin airport an hour before my flight to paris... i am a nervous flyer so this vid was not a good thing to see on tv! haha
andrea00mc 3 years ago
i want that 24 yr old girl. i saw her in the news. she is great.
cynth0984 3 years ago
The pilot who fly that air plane bad arasss i rate that man nuff pilot don't have the balls to fly like that so all the bad things you speaking about that pilot you all full shit it take real balls to fly in weather like that china and Japan famous for cross landing nuff respect from the Antigua & Barbuda Crew (up coming pilot)
djgravity268 3 years ago
thank you,archietherobot!I'm still waiting for "jetpilot2004" to tell us idiots & laymen how many PIC hours he or she has! This video has nothing to do with flying skill, but more with over-estimating the skill of the person flying the plane. It could have been totally avoided & I'm sure SIM sessions will prove that it was stupid to do, but maybe flyable by a more experienced pilot.
dressagepinky 3 years ago
He is approaching with a severe cross wind. He's trained to crab into the wind to keep the wings level and the passengers comfortable. When he uses the rudder to straighten out he accelerates the upwind wing which creates lift and raises it. The strong crosswind gets under the uplifted wing and, well, the results are shown. He should have slipped the plane, kept the upwing wing down. When he leveled it would not have accelerated the wing and created additional lift.
ddoler 3 years ago
emsmaps: its actually the controller who decides where the aeroplane lands.
slippysam1 3 years ago
should of aborted way earlier. I bet he got suspended for a bit.
Voiding 3 years ago
The captain is to blame. Hello?! Even if the FO was flying, the captain used poor judgement and he is in charge, so it's his problem. They took a risk with passengers, if they want to kill themselves, don't take anyone else with them. I wouldn't want those idiots flying me around!
dressagepinky 3 years ago
U're the IDIOT here, Dr-Pussy-Pinky!!! What do laymen and idiots like u know about flying a jet, huh?!?! It would be nice to see how u wud react in a scenario like that! For all the rest of u, u don't realize what commercial pressures and how much of ur own pride and loyalty is involved in trying to land an airplane in even Wx like that! Not that any pro-pilot would ever want to jeopardize their own safety trying it! But it comes down to this:
JetPilot2004 3 years ago
if the twr. controller reports that X-wind, including it's gust factor, is within ur limits, u WOULD continue that approach, and attempt a landing. What happened to these folks thereafter, is down to Luck, God and HISTORY!!! (unlike u, i fly these big-birds professionally!!!)
JetPilot2004 3 years ago
how many hours do you have flying a commercial jet? As PIC? or have you ever flown a plane? My husband has almost 20,000 hours flying commercially, 10,000 as PIC. And don't call me an idiot. I'm far from it. And I know ALL about the pressures of flying. Please let all of us idiots know how many hours you have in- I'm sure it's a whole lot!
dressagepinky 3 years ago
jetpilot 2004, we're all waiting to hear how many PIC hours you have. Luck & God have nothing to do with it- pride is out of it too. It's called common sense & experience. And experience says you don't take chances with passengers-end of story. That's a great way to end up unemployed. Or flying commuters. Out of curiosity, what plane do you fly and what seat do you sit in?
dressagepinky 3 years ago
I just want to say that flying commuters is not a bad thing, it's usually a stepping stone to bigger planes or someone who wants to be home every night with their family & not be flying for weeks on end.Like my spouse. He always says you don't get paid to fly a jet, you get paid to leave home & family behind. I don't want commuter pilots to think I think their job is less important.
dressagepinky 3 years ago
Listen, what u saw here was a fine display of extreme skill. who cares if it was a woman or man or Capt or FO. bottom line is s/he was able to pull up and abort, whereas I agree that luck and ego dont enter into it, u dont have glass ball either. Im sure ur hubbie would have done the same. unless he's never flown either. u cant predict when something like this happens, you can only deal with it. and deal with it they did. so praise them rather than bitchin.
aochoa81 3 years ago
ok im not a pilot but im pritty sure his not doing smthing right:P
WTFclips 3 years ago
you have to be kidding
Ebs752 3 years ago
This is real BS. Of course Cpt. and FO should have the same level of knowledge. And they should have the same amount of SIM and flight training. But there is definitely a difference: experience. Flight hours, types flown, etc, etc.
Pilots always choose who gets the landing. At least on all of my flights..
Ebs752 3 years ago
24 year old female pilot get the facts straight
Ebs752 3 years ago 2
go to windy airport landings- you'll see a bunch of these landings- except for the wing hit. Which I'm sure the captain got some major crap over.
dressagepinky 3 years ago
This is your Captain speaking.
All of you who just shat your pants. You have
permission to unbuckle your seat belt and head to the restroom.
The Stewardess will come by and clean your seat for you. Thanks
mumstepper 3 years ago
Holy cow- that's hilarious! My airline pilot husband laughed when he watched this video and then laughed when I read your comment.
Thanks for flying Youtube!
dressagepinky 3 years ago
oh yeah very funny... --'
malamen365 3 years ago
wow yea that landing should have been aborted way before it was thats carless
adampope64 3 years ago
yep its a woman flying that thing
carnagerpm 3 years ago
larry the cable guy comes out... "well THERE'S yur problem..."
MasterShadow11 3 years ago
you asshole!
Who gives a shit if it was a man or a women!
Freak!
danishtreat 3 years ago
copilot was a 24year old girl, she was in charge of the airbus. in germany they are discussing right now what could have happened and who is to blame for that. typically german ;)
DaNeon83 3 years ago 6
Does it matter what sex the pilot was?
Can you fly an Airbus with your penis?
Are you practicing right now and typing with your left hand? Yes, I thought so.
ClownFight 3 years ago 8
A penis isn't the only difference between the sexes, just in case you didn't know. Don't let a woman do a man's job, it's that simple!!
maclippie 3 years ago
Oh please. What are you, Taliban? There's a thousand female pilots that could out-fly most male pilots. The test data does not support your assertion.
More passenger aircraft have been crashed due to male pilot error than female pilot error, per capita corrected. That 737 was laying off about 50 deg into that gusting crosswind and that was a fine display of flying.
You would have crashed your playstation and fallen off your chair into your crisps trying that.
ClownFight 3 years ago 2
Okay, just HOW much of a bigot are you? Wait, don't answer that; parent comment reveals quite clearly that you're a sexist asshat. Go die.
Claymore729 3 years ago
right, and you think that discussing about who is to blame for an almost disaster and how it came to that in order to learn from failures that nearly caused a lot of deaths is limited only to Germany? Really?
I don't know about you, but you sound like a typical german...
PerfectPresence 3 years ago 2
Nice! very good! someone should give him a medal for that an a better salary!
NeverListenHipHop 3 years ago
He did great! Amazing!
UnitSpecial 3 years ago
This Lufthansa pilot rocks !!! Gut gemacht, Oliver !
Hamburgmaedel 3 years ago
The pilot was so close from causing an unnecessary air disaster. He should have request diversion to other airport or runway instead of testing his own skill to the limit.
hardbastarde 3 years ago
....GIVE THE MAN SOME CREDIT
sk8mate123abc 3 years ago
in a storm that covered almost all northern europe? :/ guess it would have been better to cancel all flights for security reasons, diversion was nearly impossible.
mitho88 3 years ago
Hi there!
In German Television they said, that the flight controller, did say that there is wind up to 55 knots but that he isn´t able to cancel the landingprocedure, because it is the desicion of the Captain where he is landing!? I think he is very good in his job, and I can not believe that the flight control is unable to give him the "better" runway...
Martin2021 3 years ago
oh yes baby!
4444txuss4444 3 years ago
So at least we all know what those little thing-ies on the ends of the wings are.....
Wingtip Skids..........
bugmenot101 3 years ago
Great pilot that he was able to save the situation! Not-so-smart flight control giving him this particular landing strip instead of the other, not so strongly effected or tell him to wait / fly to Berlin instead!
binomsc 3 years ago 2
What always amazes me is that why doesn't the pilot just pull out the "bullshit" flag and say:
"Negative! Unable landing runway 33 due to weather. Request runway 23 for landing!"
Which is where he landed later anyway.
The airport should have switched runways way before the incident occurred but probably have some silly noise abatement rule in effect which says they have to use runway 33 unless the crosswind is to high........
bugmenot101 3 years ago
I can answer that:
It is the pilots choice which runway s/he wants to use because s/he is ultimately the ones taking the responsibility. 2nd runway 33 was chosed because it was supported by an automated landing system. If it hadnt been for that one gust it would have been a spot on landing and the wind speeds were wel below the max for that type of aircraft.
emsmaps 3 years ago
I like you, bugmenot101! It's amazing how many experts have come out of the woodwork to say what a great job these pilots did, when in reality they screwed with people's lives & someone else's airplane by taking an unnecessary chance. My husband would have refused this landing and gone around, and he's flown into some very dangerous airports,especially in South America. Which is probably why he has survived 36 years of commercial flying!
dressagepinky 3 years ago
I can answer that:
It is the pilots choice which runway s/he wants to use because s/he is ultimately the ones taking the responsibility. 2nd runway 33 was chosed because it was supported by an automated landing system. If it hadnt been for that one gust it would have been a spot on landing and the wind speeds were wel below the max for that type of aircraft.
emsmaps 3 years ago
I like you, bugmenot101! It's amazing how many experts have come out of the woodwork to say what a great job these pilots did, when in reality they screwed with people's lives & someone else's airplane by taking an unnecessary chance. My husband would have refused this landing and gone around, and he's flown into some very dangerous airports,especially in South America. Which is probably why he has survived 36 years of commercial flying!
dressagepinky 3 years ago
omg i saw this on the french news amazing awesome pilot!!!
rumbleforce 3 years ago 3
Lucky pilot! Maybe even not-so-smart pilot...?
bugmenot101 3 years ago
awesome pilot? The one who nearly broke the wing off an a320?
Ebs752 3 years ago
@rumbleforce i'd be interested in looking at your criteria for a 'good pilot' lol. Why the hell would you try to land in such conditions?
alexfair8589 1 year ago
@rumbleforce i'd be interested in looking at your criteria for a 'good pilot' lol. Why the hell would you try to land in such conditions?
alexfair8589 1 year ago
Unbelievable...
hazaddum 3 years ago
Amazing video. Very good from the crew they managed to go around. Luckely nobody got hurt! We also had this storm 'Emma' in The Netherlands. It didn't caused very much problems, although Schiphol (Amsterdam Airport) had some trouble with the flight schedule caused by the wind. Flights were cancelled and there were many delays that and the following day.
Hoogvlieter 3 years ago
WOW!!!!!
WktrGrn 3 years ago
Amazing
mdubresson 3 years ago