I wish Muslims could make up their mind. They say the Qur'an goes along with science and put on videos like this to try to show you, then when you point out that it says the earth is spread out, or, that the lowest sky is where the stars are, or that the sky has no cracks in it, or sperm doesn't form in testicals, they say the Qur'an is just a book of spirituality and NOT science.
1-Quran is not a book of science but it wants humans to think to study nature,space,living beings,our own bodies and even history to realize the power and knowledge of the Creator and i see nothing in Quran that contradicts with the reality...
2-Sorry,elaborate please.
3-Just like the computer programmers are outside the computers,yes
4-A perfect human is perfect,there is the flawless information but for some "divine" reasons there are also handicapped people..
1.If you will bring some verses which you think,contradict reality,bring it...
2.God is outside our Universe and dimension
3.Of course not completely same,only there is a similarity,while all the programmers of Youtube are staying in their houses now,we use the website they build here
4.There are such perfect humans,in fact,it is the big majority
5.Thing is the word,not living things,but if you want,there is a verse which says every living being is created from water
1.Please see "Principles of Oceanography - Davis, p. 92-93"
Creation is not detailed in Quran,but yep,human was created by God,and nothing about natural selection,the age of the world,variation in species etc contradict with Quran and what you have as the "evidence" that humans "evolved" are fossils of different human races or chimp-ape-monkey (whichever you want) species.
Flood in Quran is local,only to the people of Noah. Check out scienceislam dot c o m for others
2-3. Is it really hard to imagine? Or do you have to understand completely how God creates in order to realize that God created the Universe?I repeat,a computer programmer is outside of the dimension of codes that he writes but he creates anything he wants to see in the screen just by using 1s and 0s...Universe is also all about some codes of Cs Hs Os Ns ... you know
4- WHY should be?If you want justice,it will be perfected in hereafter
1. Quote mining a 40 year old book and misrepresenting the contents is not proof. And it contradicts itself as the book says Mediterranean water enters the Atlantic for 100s kms, without barrier. Allah does not create all species? There's nothing in surah 11 that indicates a local flood.
2. It is a logical impossibility. The PC analogy is flawed.
4. It is about "the best of the creators", who can't perform up to standards of perfection.
1-a)Why do you try to reject the fact about the mysterical "different parts of water" thing this much?If you accept it,do you feel that you will have to grasp Islam?b)Check out the creation of the Universe in Quran,there are many steps,so there may be in species. c)The flood "hit" the people of Nuh,as the verse states,do you think that Noah was sent to all the worlds?
2-no,its not tell it someone 4-see it in perfect humans 5-probably..!?
1.There IS a fact in the seas that the Quran is pointing to and you know it,you are just trying to evade it by making it seem different by using the words. Quran says that the ark happened to the people of Noah,not to the entire world.
2.So who exactly did tell you that the Creator of this Universe "lives" inside of it and why in the hell did you believe him?
4.Where is the flaw in a perfectly healthy human?
5.Dust-clay-mud are translations of the same word "turab" for the first human
{ I shall turn away from My revelations those who magnify themselves wrongfully in the earth, and if they see each token believe it not, and if they see the way of righteousness choose it nor for (their) way, and if they see the way of error choose if for (their) way. That is because they deny Our revelations and are used to disregard them. }
5-In my opinion,the matter-antimatter solves this question,here the word is " شئ " means "thing" not living beings.So thing is matter as I suppose.
6-I had already stated my opinion about this in "miracle seekers" point,I find calling any verse of Quran "scientific" nonsense.Science is what we study and learn on ourselves.Quran is divine revelation.
7-What caused Muslims to grow was not the "scientific" verses in Quran,but it was how Quran encouraged Muslims to use their brains.
Science explores, measures and explains. God is a non-issue.
If science explains lightning and people are disappointed because they have to abandon the thought that a god was responsible for lightning then so be it.
This continues to be the case and we have no need for a god any more. Science shows us what happens. Science does not explain spirituality. That's why some people continue believing what humans have believed thousands of years ago. That's faith, without any evidence.
And that's my point: you can't apply science to a book on spirituality. You can't find science in a book on spirituality. Don't look for science in a book on spirituality.
Miracle seekers have done just that and are getting debunked heavily. Not a single "scientific miracle" claim has gone unanswered and worse still: not a single "scientific miracle" has been proven scientifically.
Whether god exists or the role of this being is not part of the equation.
If all miracle seekers were to adopt your stance I would have kept totally silent and never made a single video or comment. Unfortunately, most don't.
The Koran claims that the power behind nature is an invisible, intelligent being. Appealing to emotion, not facts. If a person in 2010 wants to believe that, fine.
When it comes to statements like evolution is a sham and "scientific miracles" are predicted in the book, that's when my adrenaline goes up.
As I stated,I completely agree with your stance about "miracle seekers"
but what do you exactly mean here?
"The Koran claims that the power behind nature is an invisible, intelligent being. Appealing to emotion, not facts. If a person in 2010 wants to believe that, fine."
Is the "illogical" thing "believing" that an unseen being exists,which is the source of all the information,consciousness and intelligence in the definitely "brainless" nature and space?
Yes - if you apply your definition of nature as "source of all the information,consciousness and intelligence".
Nature for me is not the source, but trigger for the development of intelligence. The illogical "thing" is the belief that nature requires something more ultimate, which is subsequently labelled god, and any further causalities are halted exactly here. Then we have the fact that we understand nature better each year, which is ignored.
The more I understand the nature the more I feel astonished so the more I look for a source of intelligence for the information and consciousness I observe in the "brainless" nature and matter
A textbook case of an argument from personal incredulity.
You don't understand it, so it must be super-natural. Where, in the age of the internet, any information and any level of knowledge can be easily researched.
My information is that nature can do just fine without any god, thank you very much.
As soon as I saw Harun Yahya's name attached, I knew it was going to be bullshit...And what bullshit it was!
He is not even an educated man, let alone a scientist. His 'science' books have not been endorsed by a single academic institution, but have been ridiculed by every serious scientist on earth. It should be illegal to pass off crap like this as science.
The Quran has some knowledge on some levels, but not a divine level. Most of it's claims of knowledge were known by advanced civilizations like the Greeks, Romans and Egyptians before. It hinges on the interpretation of details which do hold up to scientific investigation, but are vague and not useful facts in themselves, ie an embryo resembles a clot, lump or leech-like object...These are hardly advancements in science. And thinking to existed before the Quran, so I'm not sure what that means?
I'm atheist in the God of Abraham, but spiritual at the same time...Islam was the dominant force in the region at that time and held the torch for science for a while...But this has nothing to do with modern scientific methods. They are light-years away from medieval science, which is where Islam left off. Creationism has been fighting a losing battle ever since.
That simply isnt true in regards to most of it was known by advanced civilizations. Although a few were (such as water density) the overwhelming majority wasnt known.
Infact some such as the big crunch theory was only discovered 8 years ago, yet us muslims have been belieivng it for the past 1400 years.
You are absolutely right in that they are vague. How can you possible describe something to a group of people who know NOTHING.
The Quran isnt a science book. It is a book to make you ponder.
Fraid not..Just about all of the 'Miracles. in the Quran have alternative explanations...Some don't but that doesn't automatically qualify them as miracles...The Quran does make you ponder though. When I read it I pondered why anyone believed in a God so irrational, angry, vain, jealous and human...And a divine being that decides to communicate in the manner of a chidrens party game is none too miraculous.
if you dont feel any "drop" of fear or respect inside "you" regarding the "possibly" existent conscious power who "maybe" made you out of an !unseen! !DROP! in your mother's womb when you were unaware of anything,
not only reading Quran but reading any scripture is totally nonsense and waste of time
in fact,wait,it tells about your next life so although you dont believe,you have a chance to learn where to spend your eternity,so thats the point why you have read Quran,i guess
Of course I'm open to that...I just don't believe I was put here to make God feel better about himself, or to be judged on what I thought.
How people get from belief in creation to the Quran being infallible is a leap of huge proportions....If you start from a viewpoint of certainty then you will never learn a thing.
God didn't have to give you a life and free will either
What I understand is this,the Universe is like an Art gallery,every point is full of wisdom and knowledge
and an empty art gallery is pointless for any artist
i see us as the visitors of this gallery,you can accept or you may deny,you may like or dislike but you are here although you never wanted and just like that you will be brought back even if you never want to...
Not really...Not many understood radio until it was practically demonstrated...You can't see oxygen, atoms, bacteria, gravity, radiation but I'm fairly sure they exists...Belief doesn't come into it.
If you get practical results then a theory is testable. Then it can be put into use...If you get no data, no clues, no evidence and no results then you can call it faith....Science is results based. No results = no science.
"blindness can not create eyes to see" ...How do you explain blind fish with eyes? It makes no sense to assume they were created that way. It makes perfect sense to conclude they evolved with functioning eyes and then lost the use by living in pitch darkness.
Almost every living creature, including us, have traces of these vestigial organs, which are throwbacks to a more primitive past....While evolution doesn't necessarily disprove God, it makes a mockery of creation myths.
...And what's an "anti-theistic life" ? What does that even mean?
I know many Muslims, and they are the least moral, least educated, least rational and least honest people I know. If my anti-theistic life includes searching for truth over bronze age superstitions and mythology, then yes I will continue.
you give great examples,a fish with blind eyes shows loosing information,thats definitely the opposite of what you want from the random mutations and natural selection
and i hope,at least you know how subjective the claim of vestigial organs is
by anti-theistic life i meant,being the "god" of your own life,doing whatever "you" want,no sins,no goals,just you and your own desires
No it isn't at all! It fits like a hand in a glove...Losing non-essentially appendages is central to natural selection...You are failing to address the question of why something would be designed with vestigial organs...Which are openly evident, not an opinion.
Also what kind of crass assumptions are you making? " No goals, no sins, just desires" This is a massive failure of the imagination to conclude without God you are spiritually lost...
that why you dont know about islamic history, muslim history give west for science geography evertying then all religion really betrayed isla mbecause againist fool islam, all science leader are stupid becaue never believe never think about who make everyhtig that revoulition or god, muslim say it was allah, all religion never say god created everything,
@lahij - What has 'muslim' science contributed to the world in the last 1000 years? Name ONE thing!!! If 'western scientist' are all stupid, then I suggest you look around the room you are in, as everything in it was created by these scientists...The computer you're using and the electricity to power it...You need to wake up and get real!
On the contrary, I consider religion to be the complete antithesis of true spirituality and free thought. Our morality is innate and has evolved with us, somewhat bypassing God's own 6th century concepts of free will and justice....If you need a celestial dictator to reward or punish you, then what kind of morals do you have?
I think you'll find most atheists live perfectly decent and moral lives, and don't need rewards for doing good deeds.
" Muslims WERE number one in science decades ago before reneissance brought science to the west"
You mean many centuries before....After the improvement of glass blowing in Baghdad a 1000 years ago, Islam has offered very little to the world of science. There has never been a Muslim Nobel Prize winner...Simply because you can not have religious science. It either follows the scientific method or it doesn't...If it has it's own agenda and pre-conclusions then it doesn't.
mohamadkourghi, hmmm....I'm a Muslim, I'm a Darwish & I have deep fond interest in Science. Tasawwuf is the lost 3rd branch of Islam. Please remember the Gabriel hadith, when he arrrived as a traveller to remind the Prophet SAL & his Companions about Islam & its components. Islam has 5 pillars. Emaan has 6 Ihsan? That is Tasawwuf. The taming of the soul. Repentance Moderation Detachment from this world These are necessary for the taming of the Nafs. Fiamaanillaah
This is drivel. To try to read backwards what we know now into ancient obscure texts which can be interpreted any number of ways is absurd. If Einsteins gravitational field equations or the Dirac equation had been
mentioned mentioned in the Koran I might be convinced. Actually Muslims made very little headway in science - it was little more than an exercise in data collection.
This is drivel. To try to read backwards what we know now into ancient obscure texts which can be interpreted any number of ways is absurd. If Einsteins gravitational field equations or the Dirac equation had been
mentioned mentioned in the Koran I might be convinced. Actually Muslims made very little headway in science. Musilm science was little more than an exercise in data collection.
No Quran says to Fear God, and Follow how Muhammad(pbuh) lived. sammmmeee thing with bible. Jesus(pbuh) TOLD Children of Isreal to Follow him and how he is living, and GOD will FORGIVE YOUR SINS. thank you.
why would i Google "Taqwa?" It best to go to a person why know Arabic and studys where the word came from. not Google =). I have read 5:92 and 64:12 like i said Both of them says to follow what they did. Cause Allah has sent them down for a reason. Following them it is like Obeying and worshiping Allah. Its best if you go to a Arabic speaker who Studies where the words come from. and How they Are used. English and Arabic are very differnet.maybe you know that. well Thank you, peace.
how can u say that when Qur'an has proofs that it is the word of the only God. E.g, the seven layered heaven being created without visible pillars, as stated in the Qur'an, and whether u beileve in or not i dont care, no Muslim or Christian would care, because we r not over u guardans as the Qur'an says, BUT remember to respect others believes and valuse as u want them to respect u.
it might be arrognant to you and the reaseon is u don't know about Islam, ur knowlege is well based on media and what u hear, if you truly want to learn study the Qur'an ask Islamic scholars, as 10 of thousand of non-islam pple do, research, i inivite you to the truth
Qur'an is a relation that cannot be (100%) from a human being, there's just too many miracles of it, for example the Qur'an says that universe is expanding, which is recently discovered,
happy to hear from u, know that Islam says that whhat ever takes away ur mind from Allah *C.C* is haram, so that answers ur part about darvish if u know who they r?
i'm happy to c that u say ur open minded, i hope that it's true,
Muhammad's science suggested drinking Camel urine for an upset stomach. Does it work?
Enlighten me, it was the muslims that invented electricity, power infrastructures, the computer & the internet as we know today? Evidence is that your just STEALING the credit as Muhammed did years ago. That's what the Qur'an teaches?
In Islam God called them the people of the book in the Qur'aan and he distinguished between them and the non believers by the word Kaffirs. The word Kaffir means non believer (or more precisely a person who doesn't believe in one God or that who believes in more than one God) in Arabic. So the Jews and Christians are definetly not kaffirs because they are believers in one God.
Jews and Christians ARE believers because they believe in one G0d just like us.
Muslims & 'Chrisitans' supposedley worship the same god. Jews do not, Jehova, is NOT the god of Jesus the Christ. Jehova is jealous and vengefull, El, the god of jesus is loving and impartial, non interventionist!
Even most christians do NOT understand this fundamental tenet of their religion!
Please, don't come to conclusion if u haven't read or understood my comment. I didn't say they aren't blind. I said not all of them are blind! & I was answering someone's comment. I even said that just because someone is atheist doesn't mean he should hide truth(again, read the comment of the atheist & the question from another person, then came my comment, READ!). And remember, Allah(SWT) guided alot of them because they chose not to be blind nor hide truth!
And not only that, I have no problem with them not believing. It's their own problem and choice. Allah is the only judge. But I will sure say that they will have big time to answer Allah, it has nothing to do with me. May Allah guide them and open their eyes.
The belief that our wondrous universe could have evolved by blind chance is crazy. And I do not at all mean crazy in the sense of a slangy invective but rather in the technical meaning of psychotic. Indeed such a view has much in common with certain aspects of schizophrenic thinking.
I like how society is viewed as "idle" and ignorant prior to the Quran, as if human civilization had been doing nothing for the past thousands of years.
Human civilization has done things before the Quran, but message of religion of the same message and science have been stated through message carriers of God, Prophets like Moses for instance with animal biology (ie the locusts). The holy books of God where added on to end with the Quran...even the Bible was the word of God, but in the form of the Injeel, which wasnt corrupted by man.
learning about nature and animals and taking care of them.We Muslims should take a positive step forward in taking care of the earth and learn about ourselves
the last line is so appropriate to the oversimplification.. Arab universities withered when clerics made the intellectual climate no longer safe. 13th century[?], just as the Greek science was passed by Arab scholars along with their own progress to Europe, coming out of the intellectually withered ChristanPope driven dark ages. Get over it..The islamic world should be a world of science, but that's long lost. Stop, with this 'chip on your shoulder' & rejoin the modern world.
My indian friends all talk about 'inventing zero' & 10000yrs of continuous culture instead of feeling good about how the modern world invites all invention, theirs, mine,and even from the muslim world[whenever that will come]
There were great scientific advances in Greece and Persia before Islam and in Europe without Islam; there is also China in the East, developing much without even knowing of Islam. Also, none of the cited verses instruct one to learn; instead, they seem to say marvel and realize it is miraculous, hence outside of science.
The Holy Qur'anic Science bears no resemblance to that of ancient Greece, Persia, Inida, or China. Once you study them and the Holy Qur'an it becomes quite clear that the statement about Science from the Qur'an being derived from the Greeks etc. becomes a clear fallacy.
didn't say Qu'ran derived from Greece; my point was that science was independent of Muslim scripture. besides, it speaks of the sun and moon as planets, stars placed after the earth was created, and geocentric model (41:9-12, 11:7, 18:86, 90, 27:61; 71:15-16; 67:3). way off from reality.
No, the Qur'an doesn't say that the sun and moon are planets. It doesn't say that stars were placed after the earth was created, and it doesn't hold the theory of Geocentrism. You yourself drew out those absurd conclusions to try to match your ideology.
I wish Muslims could make up their mind. They say the Qur'an goes along with science and put on videos like this to try to show you, then when you point out that it says the earth is spread out, or, that the lowest sky is where the stars are, or that the sky has no cracks in it, or sperm doesn't form in testicals, they say the Qur'an is just a book of spirituality and NOT science.
DragonDriver100 4 months ago
The title is wrong.
"A Ration of Science in the Quran" is correct.
carlinsaves 4 months ago
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The koran strengthens the "faith" and credulity of the true muslim, while confounding the knavish science of the kuffirs
becharev 5 months ago
"It was nothing,but Quran,that made Islamic countries increase at science"
This is so true. Persians were living in caves and eating each others poo to survive before Islam civilized them. (sarcasm)
Some details about camel evolution in the Quran? Sky raised up and mountains embedded? Well there's something scientists haven't learned about yet.
What are the seven layers of the heavens?
OptimisticCynic715 8 months ago
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osamyoosama 11 months ago
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And lo! the curse shall be upon thee till the Day of Judgment.
osamyoosama 11 months ago
Do you really agree 100% with the contents of this video?
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1
I dont remember it all and i dont have time to watch it now
please tell me the points that you disagree or find illogical so that i can tell you my views
thank you!
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
@HighFlyingDutchman
Lazy bum :-))
1. Scientific facts that reflect reality.
2. The usage of "heavens" as placeholder for all sorts of things.
3. Creation of everything by something outside of our continuum.
4. No flaws in creation of anything.
5. Everything created in pairs.
6. Vague wording being interpreted as scientific.
7. Science in the Koran = religious growth.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
Really had no time,buddy! :D
1-Quran is not a book of science but it wants humans to think to study nature,space,living beings,our own bodies and even history to realize the power and knowledge of the Creator and i see nothing in Quran that contradicts with the reality...
2-Sorry,elaborate please.
3-Just like the computer programmers are outside the computers,yes
4-A perfect human is perfect,there is the flawless information but for some "divine" reasons there are also handicapped people..
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
@HighFlyingDutchman
No problem.
1. Even at the risk of finding out that the Koran does not accurately reflect reality?
2. Heaven can be sky, Universe, home of a god, etc.
3. Nope, they readily interact - and create anorganic matter. Your god differs.
4. Shouldn't there be a perfect human? Without glasses, tooth fillings and full hair?
5. Still wrong, as asexual exists.
6. ok, agreed
7. To my knowledge, many claim that's what did it. Main hook for Naik, Yahya et al.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
1.If you will bring some verses which you think,contradict reality,bring it...
2.God is outside our Universe and dimension
3.Of course not completely same,only there is a similarity,while all the programmers of Youtube are staying in their houses now,we use the website they build here
4.There are such perfect humans,in fact,it is the big majority
5.Thing is the word,not living things,but if you want,there is a verse which says every living being is created from water
7.I dont agree with'em
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
@HighFlyingDutchman
1. Barrier between seas, creation, flood, mountain pegs, embryology, .....
2. So how can he create this Universe, if he is outside?
3. This is about electrons which are utilised and re-arranged, not created.
4. I don't know any. Shouldn't ALL be perfect?
5. Still wrong as we are carbon based.
7. It's a claim in the video after 6:30. You asked.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1
1.Please see "Principles of Oceanography - Davis, p. 92-93"
Creation is not detailed in Quran,but yep,human was created by God,and nothing about natural selection,the age of the world,variation in species etc contradict with Quran and what you have as the "evidence" that humans "evolved" are fossils of different human races or chimp-ape-monkey (whichever you want) species.
Flood in Quran is local,only to the people of Noah. Check out scienceislam dot c o m for others
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1
2-3. Is it really hard to imagine? Or do you have to understand completely how God creates in order to realize that God created the Universe?I repeat,a computer programmer is outside of the dimension of codes that he writes but he creates anything he wants to see in the screen just by using 1s and 0s...Universe is also all about some codes of Cs Hs Os Ns ... you know
4- WHY should be?If you want justice,it will be perfected in hereafter
5-About 60 percent of you is water
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
@HighFlyingDutchman
1. Quote mining a 40 year old book and misrepresenting the contents is not proof. And it contradicts itself as the book says Mediterranean water enters the Atlantic for 100s kms, without barrier. Allah does not create all species? There's nothing in surah 11 that indicates a local flood.
2. It is a logical impossibility. The PC analogy is flawed.
4. It is about "the best of the creators", who can't perform up to standards of perfection.
5. And? Am I created from water?
7. ?
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1
sorry for the belated reply...
1-a)Why do you try to reject the fact about the mysterical "different parts of water" thing this much?If you accept it,do you feel that you will have to grasp Islam?b)Check out the creation of the Universe in Quran,there are many steps,so there may be in species. c)The flood "hit" the people of Nuh,as the verse states,do you think that Noah was sent to all the worlds?
2-no,its not tell it someone 4-see it in perfect humans 5-probably..!?
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
@HighFlyingDutchman
1. You can only reject what is true. The barrier is not true. If I would accept it I would have to accept every lie.
The creation stories are all copied from ancient fables. The flood is impossible. It's a children's story to generate fear.
2. Putting a god outside of our dimensions is a cop-out.
4. Humans are the perfect example of unintelligent design as they are flawed.
5. Probably? Not so sure any more? Dust? Clay? Mud? Semen? All of the above? Not very god-like.
7. ?
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
1.There IS a fact in the seas that the Quran is pointing to and you know it,you are just trying to evade it by making it seem different by using the words. Quran says that the ark happened to the people of Noah,not to the entire world.
2.So who exactly did tell you that the Creator of this Universe "lives" inside of it and why in the hell did you believe him?
4.Where is the flaw in a perfectly healthy human?
5.Dust-clay-mud are translations of the same word "turab" for the first human
7.Nthn
HighFlyingDutchman 11 months ago
@HighFlyingDutchman
1. Well, I looked into it and made a video proving there is not.
1a. No idea where you get this from. It only says some of his people no longer believed, not that only a few were drowned.
2. There is a claim that most gods are omni-present. That they can manipulate things in our Universe.
4. Ask a person with migraine, or bad teeth. What % is healthy?
5. Ah, suddenly the water claim is absent. Changed your mind? What happened to your anti-matter? Are you created from dust?
StopSpamming1 11 months ago
@StopSpamming1
Allah The Almighty said:
{ I shall turn away from My revelations those who magnify themselves wrongfully in the earth, and if they see each token believe it not, and if they see the way of righteousness choose it nor for (their) way, and if they see the way of error choose if for (their) way. That is because they deny Our revelations and are used to disregard them. }
Al-Araaf 7-146
osamyoosama 11 months ago
@osamyoosama
} "Allah The Almighty said"
Not quite: the Koran says that Muhammad said that Gabriel said that Allah said something.
Now please explain to me the last statement: That is because they ... are used to disregard them.
StopSpamming1 11 months ago
@osamyoosama Hey o are you ignoring me? Thats not very nice now is it?
NormalEverydayGuy1 1 month ago
5-In my opinion,the matter-antimatter solves this question,here the word is " شئ " means "thing" not living beings.So thing is matter as I suppose.
6-I had already stated my opinion about this in "miracle seekers" point,I find calling any verse of Quran "scientific" nonsense.Science is what we study and learn on ourselves.Quran is divine revelation.
7-What caused Muslims to grow was not the "scientific" verses in Quran,but it was how Quran encouraged Muslims to use their brains.
Thanks a lot
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
Science explores, measures and explains. God is a non-issue.
If science explains lightning and people are disappointed because they have to abandon the thought that a god was responsible for lightning then so be it.
This continues to be the case and we have no need for a god any more. Science shows us what happens. Science does not explain spirituality. That's why some people continue believing what humans have believed thousands of years ago. That's faith, without any evidence.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1
science explains how things work but it can not realize where the information and intelligence seen in unconscious matter come from
and thats the point already
if you read all the Quran carefully you see that God is the Creator of everything,whatever happens,whatever you do...
you do not possess any power,you are actually nothing,your body is given to your order for a limited time
and the "causes" in nature or laws of physics are curtains to the creation of God
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
@HighFlyingDutchman
And that's my point: you can't apply science to a book on spirituality. You can't find science in a book on spirituality. Don't look for science in a book on spirituality.
Miracle seekers have done just that and are getting debunked heavily. Not a single "scientific miracle" claim has gone unanswered and worse still: not a single "scientific miracle" has been proven scientifically.
Whether god exists or the role of this being is not part of the equation.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1
Quran speaks about the details in nature in many verses and wants the humans to use their minds and realize the power and intelligence behind them
thats the only point and the details in some of these information were not known or generally accepted by people centuries ago thats the only point
best respects
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
@HighFlyingDutchman
If all miracle seekers were to adopt your stance I would have kept totally silent and never made a single video or comment. Unfortunately, most don't.
The Koran claims that the power behind nature is an invisible, intelligent being. Appealing to emotion, not facts. If a person in 2010 wants to believe that, fine.
When it comes to statements like evolution is a sham and "scientific miracles" are predicted in the book, that's when my adrenaline goes up.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1
As I stated,I completely agree with your stance about "miracle seekers"
but what do you exactly mean here?
"The Koran claims that the power behind nature is an invisible, intelligent being. Appealing to emotion, not facts. If a person in 2010 wants to believe that, fine."
Is the "illogical" thing "believing" that an unseen being exists,which is the source of all the information,consciousness and intelligence in the definitely "brainless" nature and space?
thanks
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
@HighFlyingDutchman
Great.
Yes - if you apply your definition of nature as "source of all the information,consciousness and intelligence".
Nature for me is not the source, but trigger for the development of intelligence. The illogical "thing" is the belief that nature requires something more ultimate, which is subsequently labelled god, and any further causalities are halted exactly here. Then we have the fact that we understand nature better each year, which is ignored.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1
The more I understand the nature the more I feel astonished so the more I look for a source of intelligence for the information and consciousness I observe in the "brainless" nature and matter
Nature needs Supernature...
Intelligence requires Intelligent...
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
@HighFlyingDutchman
A textbook case of an argument from personal incredulity.
You don't understand it, so it must be super-natural. Where, in the age of the internet, any information and any level of knowledge can be easily researched.
My information is that nature can do just fine without any god, thank you very much.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1
Not exactly,my friend
The more I understand,the more I get amazed
It is not an argument from ignorance
When I was ignorant,I did not care anything about these stuff
My education and free thinking brought me "here"
Respects anyway
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
As soon as I saw Harun Yahya's name attached, I knew it was going to be bullshit...And what bullshit it was!
He is not even an educated man, let alone a scientist. His 'science' books have not been endorsed by a single academic institution, but have been ridiculed by every serious scientist on earth. It should be illegal to pass off crap like this as science.
rogan71 2 years ago
does Quran teach knowledge and thinking or not
nobody claimed Yahya is a scientist already
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
The Quran has some knowledge on some levels, but not a divine level. Most of it's claims of knowledge were known by advanced civilizations like the Greeks, Romans and Egyptians before. It hinges on the interpretation of details which do hold up to scientific investigation, but are vague and not useful facts in themselves, ie an embryo resembles a clot, lump or leech-like object...These are hardly advancements in science. And thinking to existed before the Quran, so I'm not sure what that means?
rogan71 2 years ago
are you an atheist or Christian?
just wondered
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
I'm atheist in the God of Abraham, but spiritual at the same time...Islam was the dominant force in the region at that time and held the torch for science for a while...But this has nothing to do with modern scientific methods. They are light-years away from medieval science, which is where Islam left off. Creationism has been fighting a losing battle ever since.
rogan71 2 years ago
Quran wants us to think,to search the nature,the animals,the plants,the space
so it wants people to do science in other words
thats the point,Muslims followed this or not,its their problem
so,what kind of spiritualism are you in?
do you think that there is some kind of divine power who owns and rules everything?
or just meditation?
how about astral projection? :D
that would be difficult to be an atheist if you could do that,though
anyway
happy new year :)
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
That simply isnt true in regards to most of it was known by advanced civilizations. Although a few were (such as water density) the overwhelming majority wasnt known.
Infact some such as the big crunch theory was only discovered 8 years ago, yet us muslims have been belieivng it for the past 1400 years.
You are absolutely right in that they are vague. How can you possible describe something to a group of people who know NOTHING.
The Quran isnt a science book. It is a book to make you ponder.
ACEDcomputers 2 years ago
Fraid not..Just about all of the 'Miracles. in the Quran have alternative explanations...Some don't but that doesn't automatically qualify them as miracles...The Quran does make you ponder though. When I read it I pondered why anyone believed in a God so irrational, angry, vain, jealous and human...And a divine being that decides to communicate in the manner of a chidrens party game is none too miraculous.
rogan71 2 years ago
if you dont feel any "drop" of fear or respect inside "you" regarding the "possibly" existent conscious power who "maybe" made you out of an !unseen! !DROP! in your mother's womb when you were unaware of anything,
not only reading Quran but reading any scripture is totally nonsense and waste of time
in fact,wait,it tells about your next life so although you dont believe,you have a chance to learn where to spend your eternity,so thats the point why you have read Quran,i guess
anyway
cheers X=D
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
Of course I'm open to that...I just don't believe I was put here to make God feel better about himself, or to be judged on what I thought.
How people get from belief in creation to the Quran being infallible is a leap of huge proportions....If you start from a viewpoint of certainty then you will never learn a thing.
rogan71 2 years ago
God certainly doesn't need you
God didn't have to give you a life and free will either
What I understand is this,the Universe is like an Art gallery,every point is full of wisdom and knowledge
and an empty art gallery is pointless for any artist
i see us as the visitors of this gallery,you can accept or you may deny,you may like or dislike but you are here although you never wanted and just like that you will be brought back even if you never want to...
u should feel some more respect maybe
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
Respect for what?
The universe itself, or people that claim to know unknowable secrets?
Not all beliefs are worthy of respect...Racism is a belief. So is the idea you know God.
You can feel awe, wonder, humility and even connect with the eternal, but you don't need primitive ideas about an angry God to do it.
rogan71 2 years ago
respect for the intelligence that made an unseen drop turn into you
it is not a belief
it is not a delusion
it is much more certain than the existence of your mother
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
Certainty like this is a form of mental illness, bypassing all cognitive and rational thought. It is a block to learning and understanding.
There is no place for this kind of certainty. The Quran demands BELIEF and FAITH..Two things you have none of if you are so fixed in your position.
My beliefs are open to review because I recognize them AS beliefs....It's the only honest view.
I believe you are deluded to the point of being unable to tell the difference between knowledge and belief.
rogan71 2 years ago
so what you cant see
has to be a "belief",right?
you cant "know" anything about "it"
or you cant realize anything just by using your mind,whatever it is...
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
Not really...Not many understood radio until it was practically demonstrated...You can't see oxygen, atoms, bacteria, gravity, radiation but I'm fairly sure they exists...Belief doesn't come into it.
If you get practical results then a theory is testable. Then it can be put into use...If you get no data, no clues, no evidence and no results then you can call it faith....Science is results based. No results = no science.
rogan71 2 years ago
if there is one thing that all the fields of science and pure logic,rational thinking,objective honesty... agree on
it is this
randomness does not create order
blindness can not create eyes to see
information requires intelligence
you deny these just to stay cool with your anti-theistic life
and dont stop
keep doing it
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
"blindness can not create eyes to see" ...How do you explain blind fish with eyes? It makes no sense to assume they were created that way. It makes perfect sense to conclude they evolved with functioning eyes and then lost the use by living in pitch darkness.
Almost every living creature, including us, have traces of these vestigial organs, which are throwbacks to a more primitive past....While evolution doesn't necessarily disprove God, it makes a mockery of creation myths.
rogan71 2 years ago
...And what's an "anti-theistic life" ? What does that even mean?
I know many Muslims, and they are the least moral, least educated, least rational and least honest people I know. If my anti-theistic life includes searching for truth over bronze age superstitions and mythology, then yes I will continue.
rogan71 2 years ago
you give great examples,a fish with blind eyes shows loosing information,thats definitely the opposite of what you want from the random mutations and natural selection
and i hope,at least you know how subjective the claim of vestigial organs is
by anti-theistic life i meant,being the "god" of your own life,doing whatever "you" want,no sins,no goals,just you and your own desires
however you can still be a very good person...
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
No it isn't at all! It fits like a hand in a glove...Losing non-essentially appendages is central to natural selection...You are failing to address the question of why something would be designed with vestigial organs...Which are openly evident, not an opinion.
Also what kind of crass assumptions are you making? " No goals, no sins, just desires" This is a massive failure of the imagination to conclude without God you are spiritually lost...
rogan71 2 years ago
that why you dont know about islamic history, muslim history give west for science geography evertying then all religion really betrayed isla mbecause againist fool islam, all science leader are stupid becaue never believe never think about who make everyhtig that revoulition or god, muslim say it was allah, all religion never say god created everything,
lahij 1 year ago
@lahij - What has 'muslim' science contributed to the world in the last 1000 years? Name ONE thing!!! If 'western scientist' are all stupid, then I suggest you look around the room you are in, as everything in it was created by these scientists...The computer you're using and the electricity to power it...You need to wake up and get real!
rogan71 1 year ago
@rogan71
why dont you search for your own?
such as "wiki islam science"
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
On the contrary, I consider religion to be the complete antithesis of true spirituality and free thought. Our morality is innate and has evolved with us, somewhat bypassing God's own 6th century concepts of free will and justice....If you need a celestial dictator to reward or punish you, then what kind of morals do you have?
I think you'll find most atheists live perfectly decent and moral lives, and don't need rewards for doing good deeds.
rogan71 2 years ago
sure, that is why you muslim are number one in science.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Responding2ISLAM 2 years ago
thats why Muslims WERE number one in science decades ago before reneissance brought science to the west
then Muslims stopped following Quran and they started following their missionaire sheikhs and now we see it today
west wins
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
" Muslims WERE number one in science decades ago before reneissance brought science to the west"
You mean many centuries before....After the improvement of glass blowing in Baghdad a 1000 years ago, Islam has offered very little to the world of science. There has never been a Muslim Nobel Prize winner...Simply because you can not have religious science. It either follows the scientific method or it doesn't...If it has it's own agenda and pre-conclusions then it doesn't.
rogan71 2 years ago
what Muslims do or did is not important actually
Quran wants humans to think,to search and study nature,space,life,animals,plants,even history
thats the point
and period***
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
oktar? what a load of oktar... pffffffffffffffffffft
pikechris1 2 years ago
JannahWannabe 2 years ago
This is drivel. To try to read backwards what we know now into ancient obscure texts which can be interpreted any number of ways is absurd. If Einsteins gravitational field equations or the Dirac equation had been
mentioned mentioned in the Koran I might be convinced. Actually Muslims made very little headway in science - it was little more than an exercise in data collection.
lhfuk 3 years ago
This is drivel. To try to read backwards what we know now into ancient obscure texts which can be interpreted any number of ways is absurd. If Einsteins gravitational field equations or the Dirac equation had been
mentioned mentioned in the Koran I might be convinced. Actually Muslims made very little headway in science. Musilm science was little more than an exercise in data collection.
lhfuk 3 years ago
The quran say's obey the god and muhammed, Muhammed died a long time ago.
Can there even be a mu'slim today?
faro0485 3 years ago
No Quran says to Fear God, and Follow how Muhammad(pbuh) lived. sammmmeee thing with bible. Jesus(pbuh) TOLD Children of Isreal to Follow him and how he is living, and GOD will FORGIVE YOUR SINS. thank you.
coolfool147 3 years ago
That translated term you read as "fear", refers to the arabic word "taqwa". I believe you should google "taqwa".
Saying that the quran doesn't say obey the god, well you've forgotten Quran 5:92 & 64:12.
faro0485 3 years ago
why would i Google "Taqwa?" It best to go to a person why know Arabic and studys where the word came from. not Google =). I have read 5:92 and 64:12 like i said Both of them says to follow what they did. Cause Allah has sent them down for a reason. Following them it is like Obeying and worshiping Allah. Its best if you go to a Arabic speaker who Studies where the words come from. and How they Are used. English and Arabic are very differnet.maybe you know that. well Thank you, peace.
coolfool147 3 years ago
Certain Arabic Lexical students aren't readily available. Perhaps googling would help find us some of these students
Lanes lexicon is avialable online, free. Google it.
faro0485 3 years ago
Christians, OR Muslims!
But their interpretation, and mode of worship, is totally FUCKED!
ALL wrong!
The ESOTERIC is the only REAL way, regardless of the actual religion!!!
ace69er 4 years ago
to ace
how can u say that when Qur'an has proofs that it is the word of the only God. E.g, the seven layered heaven being created without visible pillars, as stated in the Qur'an, and whether u beileve in or not i dont care, no Muslim or Christian would care, because we r not over u guardans as the Qur'an says, BUT remember to respect others believes and valuse as u want them to respect u.
mohamadkourghi 4 years ago
Maybe so friend, but when 1 has knowledge thru revelation, faith becomes obsolete.
It become more of pitying of the clueless by the clued in, more than arrogance!
ace69er 4 years ago
to ace
it might be arrognant to you and the reaseon is u don't know about Islam, ur knowlege is well based on media and what u hear, if you truly want to learn study the Qur'an ask Islamic scholars, as 10 of thousand of non-islam pple do, research, i inivite you to the truth
Qur'an is a relation that cannot be (100%) from a human being, there's just too many miracles of it, for example the Qur'an says that universe is expanding, which is recently discovered,
open ur mind brother!
mohamadkourghi 3 years ago
NO, you completely MIS understood my comment.
I NEVER said muslims were arrogant. I stated MY religion SOUNDS arrogant cos we know.
You only believe.
What part of 'when 1 has knowledge thru revelation, faith becomes obsolete' did you not understand.
I KNOW about Islam IT has ITS esoteric path too, its called sufism or dervishism!
I dont base ANY of my opinions on the 'media' i dont WATCH the news cos its all lies & propaganda! I grew UP with muslims OK?
My mind is open FAR wider than yours!
ace69er 3 years ago
happy to hear from u, know that Islam says that whhat ever takes away ur mind from Allah *C.C* is haram, so that answers ur part about darvish if u know who they r?
i'm happy to c that u say ur open minded, i hope that it's true,
mohamadkourghi 3 years ago
I am habib, but i dont have much interest in debating the merits of 1 religion over another.
Cheers!
ace69er 3 years ago
Muhammad's science suggested drinking Camel urine for an upset stomach. Does it work?
Enlighten me, it was the muslims that invented electricity, power infrastructures, the computer & the internet as we know today? Evidence is that your just STEALING the credit as Muhammed did years ago. That's what the Qur'an teaches?
kauaikit 4 years ago
Okey, then how about quran verse which tells about Islam is the one only acceptable faith in God..
Like Chapter 3(Family of Imran)
verse 85:
"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it won't be accepted from him, and in Hereafter he will be one of the losers"
Can u explain me about that please?
:)
Peace..
arieyhanz 4 years ago
Islam is submission to your Creator
as the word meaning,as i know
and all Prophets pbut brought the same religion,same "type of submitting"
Allahu yahdee manya'shaa
wassalaam
HighFlyingDutchman 4 years ago
HighFlyingDutchman are you sure every non muslim can enter paradise to?? Alhamdulilah..
:)
arieyhanz 4 years ago
think about Abraham as
there was no God's religion there,but he discovered his God by his logic
first he thought Moon could be,then Sun,then he said,unless my God guides,i will not find the truth
in this way,someone who had no chance to hear Islam in his life CAN enter paradise,already God somehow guides him,the easiest way,by a dream
salaam
HighFlyingDutchman 4 years ago
In Islam God called them the people of the book in the Qur'aan and he distinguished between them and the non believers by the word Kaffirs. The word Kaffir means non believer (or more precisely a person who doesn't believe in one God or that who believes in more than one God) in Arabic. So the Jews and Christians are definetly not kaffirs because they are believers in one God.
Jews and Christians ARE believers because they believe in one G0d just like us.
bouncer786 4 years ago
NOT the same God!
Muslims & 'Chrisitans' supposedley worship the same god. Jews do not, Jehova, is NOT the god of Jesus the Christ. Jehova is jealous and vengefull, El, the god of jesus is loving and impartial, non interventionist!
Even most christians do NOT understand this fundamental tenet of their religion!
The God of the Jews is NOT the god of
ace69er 4 years ago
Christians, OR Muslims!
But their interpretation, and mode of worship, is totally FUCKED!
ALL wrong!
The ESOTERIC is the only REAL way, regardless of the actual religion!!!
ace69er 4 years ago
Okey then, i'm sorry Madina.. :)
By the way, do you believe that every person can go to heaven although they are not Muslim?
Just want to ask.. :)
arieyhanz 4 years ago
hi,the word "muslim" means submitter
comes from the verb tasleem/to submit
in Arabic
if only somebody submits to his/her Creator,s/he can go to heaven,
maybe somebody may have not heard the religion in his life,but he can find his Creator again without a religion
the first order of Quran is "Read"(or reflect,etc) and wants you to think
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 4 years ago
Madina, so if the atheist not blind.. Why they never want to believe in God?
arieyhanz 4 years ago
Please, don't come to conclusion if u haven't read or understood my comment. I didn't say they aren't blind. I said not all of them are blind! & I was answering someone's comment. I even said that just because someone is atheist doesn't mean he should hide truth(again, read the comment of the atheist & the question from another person, then came my comment, READ!). And remember, Allah(SWT) guided alot of them because they chose not to be blind nor hide truth!
madina55 4 years ago
And not only that, I have no problem with them not believing. It's their own problem and choice. Allah is the only judge. But I will sure say that they will have big time to answer Allah, it has nothing to do with me. May Allah guide them and open their eyes.
madina55 4 years ago
The belief that our wondrous universe could have evolved by blind chance is crazy. And I do not at all mean crazy in the sense of a slangy invective but rather in the technical meaning of psychotic. Indeed such a view has much in common with certain aspects of schizophrenic thinking.
Karl Stern, University of Montreal Psychiatrist
HighFlyingDutchman 4 years ago
Thanks alot for such good clip...may Allah bless you..
dabiaroza 4 years ago 2
Excellent video!
madina55 4 years ago 2
I like how society is viewed as "idle" and ignorant prior to the Quran, as if human civilization had been doing nothing for the past thousands of years.
PisceanBeautyy 4 years ago
Human civilization has done things before the Quran, but message of religion of the same message and science have been stated through message carriers of God, Prophets like Moses for instance with animal biology (ie the locusts). The holy books of God where added on to end with the Quran...even the Bible was the word of God, but in the form of the Injeel, which wasnt corrupted by man.
Yorku1986 4 years ago
good video. jazakallah.
66Mystic66 4 years ago 2
Mashallah!!
Qartanesi66 4 years ago
learning about nature and animals and taking care of them.We Muslims should take a positive step forward in taking care of the earth and learn about ourselves
DamuEmran 4 years ago
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As-Salam Alaikum Wa Rahmatuliahi Wa Barakatuh,Jazakallahu khair.
lalmomani 4 years ago
the last line is so appropriate to the oversimplification.. Arab universities withered when clerics made the intellectual climate no longer safe. 13th century[?], just as the Greek science was passed by Arab scholars along with their own progress to Europe, coming out of the intellectually withered ChristanPope driven dark ages. Get over it..The islamic world should be a world of science, but that's long lost. Stop, with this 'chip on your shoulder' & rejoin the modern world.
AtheistCitizen 4 years ago 2
My indian friends all talk about 'inventing zero' & 10000yrs of continuous culture instead of feeling good about how the modern world invites all invention, theirs, mine,and even from the muslim world[whenever that will come]
AtheistCitizen 4 years ago 2
MashALLAH that was excellent!! Jazak ALLAH Khair! :O)
BoriChumba 4 years ago
Excellent!
mrmij100 4 years ago
SalaamAlaikum, JAZAKALLAH KHAIR.
spiritlite 4 years ago
Islam is relevant.Allahuakbar.
jufina90 4 years ago
There were great scientific advances in Greece and Persia before Islam and in Europe without Islam; there is also China in the East, developing much without even knowing of Islam. Also, none of the cited verses instruct one to learn; instead, they seem to say marvel and realize it is miraculous, hence outside of science.
kirk703 4 years ago
The Holy Qur'anic Science bears no resemblance to that of ancient Greece, Persia, Inida, or China. Once you study them and the Holy Qur'an it becomes quite clear that the statement about Science from the Qur'an being derived from the Greeks etc. becomes a clear fallacy.
redman19892003 4 years ago
didn't say Qu'ran derived from Greece; my point was that science was independent of Muslim scripture. besides, it speaks of the sun and moon as planets, stars placed after the earth was created, and geocentric model (41:9-12, 11:7, 18:86, 90, 27:61; 71:15-16; 67:3). way off from reality.
kirk703 4 years ago
That's not what it says. That is what you interpret from it.
redman19892003 4 years ago
So the Qu'ran is just interpretation or what? Then it actually says nothing.
kirk703 4 years ago
No, the Qur'an doesn't say that the sun and moon are planets. It doesn't say that stars were placed after the earth was created, and it doesn't hold the theory of Geocentrism. You yourself drew out those absurd conclusions to try to match your ideology.
redman19892003 4 years ago
the greatest universities of the world were in the arab world until the clerics squashed them.
AtheistCitizen 4 years ago 2
ur an athiest or what?
alishba01 4 years ago
relevance?
AtheistCitizen 4 years ago
One being an atheist does not mean they should hide truth. Some of them aren't blind...
madina55 4 years ago
ur exactly right!
alishba01 4 years ago
great video..
sorany1 4 years ago
Salaam alaykum brother
Thank you for this.
honeyntoast 4 years ago