this place is very sacred to those who belive in the celtic religion, example the taj mahal to the indians is special to them/ St. Peter's Basilica is very important to the people of rome, but this is like the only place in briton i could think of is peace and quiet. if i was a high priest of the modern day druids, i wish to be buried here with in my ancestors lands where they ruled.
@markandrach when the celts come to briton they used stonehedge although they never actually built... it's just like christains celebrate christmas although if you look up the real history of christmas it has no connection between christainity and christmas.
@ExNinjadude The celts never came to Britain. The British Celts aren't the same as continental celts, they are a completely different branch. No one was called a celt until a few hundred years ago. If Stonehenge was active at the time when the Romans were in Britain it would have been destroyed if celts/druids had been using it. Remember, they got wiped out.
@MyShadowkat .Whatever they do today as pagans, has little to do with what the Stonehenge people did. They left no writing so we can only guess at their beliefs and rituals. So those people are no 'closer' in anyway to the Stonehenge people than anyone else in the world. In fact much damage I've often seen at stone monuments lately are from so-called 'worshippers' using tealights on stones,chalking anachronistic symbols,sticking crystals in archaeologically sensitive areas, lighting fires etc
@sonofherne that is so true for some of pagans but not all, i am a irish sheman and forefather was before,and i use my drum of rattle and they leave with them,and what u have seen are are the markers af the which, they do such things not normaly druids, or shamans we respect the earth.
I admit whilst my statement is generalising, to confidentally say this isn't done normally by druids or shamans is inaccurate. You may not be aware that SH already caters for the many pagan/druid groups that chose to make Stonehenge their place of worship. Theyre permitted to hold rituals in the stones at certain times, but they dont have exclusivity over all others. Again, modern pagans - be it shamans, wiccans or druid have absolutely no revelance to the religion and use of Stonehenge.
@FeignofCordor actually no there are some that were carried down through family lines and tought to each of the children so he very well could be a druid priest
@KymbahLee33 Modern paganism aand druidism is a modern construct. Certain traditions that are pagan have been handed down over the centuries but not a whole religion
@sonofherne im drui not neo druid drui no d we are no modren construct like the wiccan new age or such we are the act of remembering we are no religion we are atheistic like buddist monks were have we been we didnt realze we had gone anywear history will remember soon enuff now the internet age has come more will remember an more will join if that all sounds abit od its coz wwoooo im drui but realy ya were coming back laoch sidhe an dulra i firinnean gu bragh
@kingpharaohtsar I always thought a druid was meant to be a learned soul, practised in the art of language. You have a problem stringing a sentence together to make yourself understood. It's meant to be a 20 year discipline, not a 'throw on a bed sheet and that makes me a druid.' Most druids I've known know nothing about the actual history of the places they are in. They have such a militant & unspiritual philosophy. Most are souls who've a problem with fitting in.
@sonofherne language is an od thing it changes alot my people have seen it change more then modren sassanach culture can think like gaelic thuogh to old english thru 2 modren english as for the other stuff its probliy becoz english peoples culture is dead that makes them like that i dont know any english druids so i cant realy comment but i will say this thay only seem to know of stonehenge when theres far older stuff elswear in alba eire an cymru bed sheets lol crazy
@saintben2008 And plough through vital archaeology. Yes, that's smart. It's been looked at and was too costly btw. Tax payers paying £120million for an unnecessary tunnel through one of Britain's last natural chalklands? The road is a nightmare in Summer, but it's been there for thousands of years. People should find an alternative route past.
@MrRjma Closing off the monument completely would be tremendously foolish & you underestimate the wealth of feeling & interest in people for their nation monument. Yes, in the long term, all the tourists do have a negative effect on the archaeology. In the Bronze Age there's evidence it was never intended for us by the community, only an elite. No evidence of huge gatherings. Building a full scale replica for people to interact with is sorely needed, but won't stop people from using the former.
@bluestarbuckscup Where to start, where to start. You're comment is so ignorant it's embaassing. People 5000yrs ago in this country weren't any different. They looked like us, they had the same brain capacity. It's the neolithic, not to be confused with neanderthal! The bones and bodies of these people are evidenced on site and, yes, they are YOURS and MY ancestors. If you want to believe something else it's your perogative. Silly, silly boy ...
@bluestarbuc Have you read the reports at Durrington Walls Henge near to Stonehenge? It's 99% likely that this IS where the builders lived, feasted,met for trade,rites & festivals before a number (& probably not all) processed to Stonehenge as well as West Amesbury henge, Vespasians Camp for rites associated with the great feasts -Winter/Summer Solstice. I'm not sure if this constitutes a linear view as you put it, but I'd like to hear an acceptible, non linear one which holds up to scrutiny.
@bluestarbuck What you have to consider is that over the course of the monuments life, a number of burials were placed into the circle which in the grand scheme of things is a very small percentage of the actual populace in the area at that time (a potential working community at Durrington Walls 2.5miles away of 8000) So, those people buried at the henge probably were quite special. 2 buried a year by recent evidence. Some date from the inception of the 1st phase, some from the mid/late phase.
stonehenge was constructed by people who preceded the celts by 1 to 3 thousand years. the celts did not arrive in britain until long after stonehenge was built. So the druids had nothing to do with stonehenge.
@beeshoney16 A little history: each of the celtic groups and pre-celtic groups who are 'original tribes' that invaded /settled the area now the British Isles is descended of the same family line. They're simply brothers and each family members descendants who moved away and each eventually came back to Ireland. The first of the family settled in this area around 312-352 years after the great flood, which was at the beginning of the neolithic period. It is assumed that British Isles [continued]
@beeshoney16 [continued].. that the british Isles weren't even an Island yet, but that they were still attached to mainland Europe. IT is also asumed, because there is no other known people to have been settling in this area of the world at the time it can be said that the Partholons were the first pre-celtic people [of this same family] to start work on the STonehenge. THey also brought the long-graves with them which are found around stonehenge.The only other tribes known to have been [cont]
@beeshoney16 [continued].. in this area of the world were "pirates" from Africa and possibly a group further north around the area of Norway..but no one actually settled in the iles except for these Pre-celtic Celts ;) 150 years after they started settling there, they were wiped out by plague and for another 300 or so years, the whole of the Iles had no one living in them...the next people to travel and settle there were the Nemedians during the start of the Bronze Age.
@Exfire27 Seriously? Quite easily, they weren't another species for heaven's sake. Remember, it's nearly 1000 years since medieval masons began building gothic cathedrals, churches and chapels using crude metal tools. We don't deny they did that and that it was impossible to their understanding. There was no time limit to projects like Stonehenge. It evolved and was added to slowly over a long time. It didn't go up overnight. Different, simple techniques were used that we still use today.
@OPOCHKA Current understanding puts the start of agriculture in Britain much further back at around 4,500BC. Some 6,000 years ago. By the time Stonehenge was being conceived, the area was not forested. Forget the clearing in a forest thing (prevalent in the mesolithic) Neolithic farmers systematically deforested (often involving burning) huge areas of pine to turn into arable pasture. The presence of hazel in the area proves this, needing space and sunlight to grow.
@cherrypie11061 The commonly held belief which has been around for a long time is using wooden scaffolding to build layers, thus moving the lintel up one step at a time by wedging supports into the ends. Not an easy method, but nothing about it was easy. The scaffold could then be taken away, leaving no evidence. This holds weight over the earth ramp theory which archaeology does not agree with. There's just no evidence of soil being moved in great quantities to make ramps of any sort.
@sonofherne Is it allso true that some believe that it was alien beings that helped build these stones and is there any more stonehenges that have been built in the same way ?
@cherrypie11061 It's true there are many deluded people who believe these monuments were built by aliens. There's nothing at SH that couldn't have been achieved by man. SH isn't as precise as people want you to believe. It has errors & inferior stones. They even made the mortice holes the wrong way around on one lintel for heaven's sake. Forgivable for humans, not for aliens. There are 1000 stone circles in the UK alone, but SH is unique. It's the only one that has worked stones & lintel stones.
Not as we'd perceive it.They weren't running to Stonehenge every time they needed to know the time. Two undeniable lines align the sunrise on the longest & shortest day - Midsummer/Midwinter. There's a minor alignment to Midwinter Sunrise also. That's really it! But, this has to be seen in a religious context. They were an agricultural society. There's no need to move massive stones to just tell the time when it could be done easier in wood. It had to do with the dead & the afterlife.
@michaelUNITEDKINGDOM Just a little research is needed to find out for sure. SH is open to the public. You are allowed 20ft up to the stones around a visitor path, but are not allowed inside. Access is granted four times of the year on solstice and equinoxe dawn. Since mass tourism the stones were closed to protect the stones and its archaeology. Not before time too.
@TheIrocube agreed, it's better to restrict access to such an important site than it is to let anyone go there. However If it's for pagan ritual purposes permits should be granted, after all it's what it was built for.
@purplehatcult And that's pretty much as it is now, groups do infact apply to use it. But, paganism now is far removed from anything practiced at Stonehenge 4500 years back. To be fair, being pagan,druid etc does not automatically qualify you for any more rights to Stonehenge, or any other site, than anyone else of a spiritual nature.
@asubjectiveopinion What does being a public monument have to do with unlawful behaviour? It may be a public monument but this doesn't automatically give people the right to do whatever they wish, when they wish. It was bequethed to the Government to protect and upkeep it for future generations. With mass tourism it became necessary to close it off to general visitors, though most don't realise when visiting they are crossing actually inside of the monument, just not inside of the stones.
tHERE ISINFORMATION ABOUT A GUY WHO BUILT A STONEHENGE OF HIS OWN IT IS A MUST SEE IN TERMS OF POSSIBILITIES OF HOW THESE STONES MAY HAVE BEEN MOVED. ITS ABSOLUTESLY ASTONISHING ITS CALLED CORAL CASTLES EXPLAINED.ON YOUTUBE. GEOMETRIST ARE NOW TOUCHING ON HOW THESE THINGS MAY HAVE BEEN MOVED. U MUST WAYCH ALL THE VIDS TO REALIZE WHAT THIS GUY WAS DOING. I THINK HE WAS AN ALIEN. ITS A WAKE UP
sHAME ON THE ARCEOLOGIST FOR REMOVING THE BONES. DEMAND THEY BE BROUGHT BACK . SHAME ON THEM
@RogueShooterUK You must have been reading the wrong Jane & Peter books because the latest evidence shows that the pyramids did not employ slaves to build it. They all had to be paid, housed, and fed or they would just not have done it. This goes for Stonehenge too, the difference being they didn't have the population that Egypt had.
I think it's funny how many different company's charge admission to sites they don't own. It's like Pembrokeshire Coast National Park Authority and Carew castle. The castle belongs to the Carew family (With which I am a part) but they run it as a tourist attraction. Hell my family doesn't even get free admission into our own castle.
@KingMKLA Stonehenge is owned by the state. It was given to the nation by the last landowner. It's now looked after by a government authority that does sterling work for over 400 historic monuments,funds excavation, research,education & gives money to people who own historic properties who can't maintain them. Without knowing your family history and claim, there's probably a good reason your family lost the castle. Many just can't afford the upkeep & people like National Trust or CADW step in.
@sonofherne I didn't say we lost the property. Carew and Pembroke castle are still a part of my familys landholdings. We leased it to the CADW in order to help with the upkeep and they have basically kicked us off the land.
@KingMKLA I'm sure they say a different story. An organisation who've contributed a great deal of revenue to the restoration of these buildings is unlikely to just throw anyone out with a legitimate claim of ownership of the properties. There's a lot of estates where National Trust adminster & the families still live on site, for example. Pembroke appears like a roofless ruin & would be hard to make good for permanent living. Not sure of Carew. More likely it's a health & safety/finance thing.
' you have to remember this was soon after the ice age; there was not much topsoil..'Heloooo..Stonehenge was built a good 5000 years after the ice receded, giving plenty of time for topsoil to form..a small amount of research shows you are talking posterior-wise....
Firstly, back when it was built, there were more forests, less erosion and MORE topsoil. I have never seen a 'thick layer of ice' on chalk downs in the winter. As for unrestricted acess at all times, few people actually understand what 'Freedom ' is and fewer still can handle the responsibility; do you want to see the henge covered in crowleyan graffitti?
WHAT!? why the fuck do they think they have the right to dig up those bodies? holy shit.... if someone went to the Vatican, went to St Peter's Cathedral and started digging up any bodies that are burried there the Christians would flip!
It's a shame to see a lot of highways and factories or whatever around this spiritual place. Nobody cared about changing the images some people had about this place.
@darvinnful The highway is actually built on a prehistoric road. Unfortunately because of progression that road has got bigger and busier. As for factories. Sorry, none of those about. It's in the middle of a world heritage site and no buildings par a farm in the distance and a heavily camoflaged visitor centre. Actually a 100 years ago there was a large farm and a few houses that were knocked down because they spoilt the view. Big difference from the image you cast of nobody caring.
In 1964 I took a photo of my parents and brothers sitting on one of the stones, we just drove up to them and looked around, not many people were there and it was all free. On the other hand, there was nothing to prevent us taking a souvenir or two. So I think on balance Stonehenge should not be easily accessible, especially to so called Druids or Paganesque folk.
@steve8765 'Paganism', 'Druidism' etc. etc. are all modern concepts which have no relation to the beliefs of the original builders of Stonehenge. In any case it's not proven that Stonehenge was originally a place of worship in prehistoric times.
@RollaArtis Agree with the first part,but one can jump through hoops for here to eternity.It's a site stripped of any domestic waste ruling out a meeting/trading place. Weve important burials on site,clearly only a small percent of the population were buried here. Weve an altar stone. processional aisle,inner sanctum with tribal markings. SH is more a building than a circle. It gives all indications of what we'd interpret as a prehistoric cathedral, which are also aligned to rising/setting sun.
@sonofherne But this is all subjective - if one already has decided it is a prehistoric cathedral then any feature can be cathedral like - such as the 'altar' etc. Although this so called 'Druid' is expounding on things so authoritatively, the information is obviously gained from substantive archaeological evidence and not some fanciful religious beliefs. Oh and BTW 4000 yrs ago the sun did not rise in the same place as it does now due to the precession of the earth.
People have a misconception that the sun rose over the Heel Stone. It never did. There were two Heel Stones originally and the sun appeared between the two. The evidence is there for the missing stone. So, it really doesn't matter that the sun doesn't rise in the same place. Actually the processional differential is only a few degrees in 4000yrs. Soon, it will shift again so it appears more over the top of the stone.
@RollaArtis Let's say it's a burial site, that's not in dispute or subjective. We've a bloody lot of evidence. Why bother building a structure in the centre & in stone when this wasn't done elsewhere. If that's the case it has to have been used for something connected with the dead, like mortuary houses. This leads us into rites & ritual bringing about worship. Maybe not worship in the sense of one or more deities,but ancestral worship. This isn't subjective. We have a lot of proof for that.
@steve8765 Everyone in the world was pagan when SH was built, so by your reckoning everyone in the world should have a right to worship there. People who call themselves pagans & wiccans now are not practicising the same religion that the SH people practicised, so have no exclusive or moral right to it above anyone else. And you should know by now that modern pagans ARE given plenty of opportunities to interact with the site in a controlled manner. It's called solstice & equinox.
@RollaArtis That mightve been the case as you remember it, but you're wrong. An admission has been charged since 1901. If you were lucky enough not to pay, good for you. The henge was then under management by the DoE, and they didnt leave it abandoned as your comment implies. There weren't quite as strict controls as there are today under English Heritage but it still was a scheduled site, and if you were caught defacing it you could still be imprisoned. I'm glad we agree on the restrictions.
@sonofherne Thanks for the information but I was only 11, so I guess my parents paid the admission. As I wandered around I found it atmospheric and very impressive, particularly as I was told that one of the stones was a sacrificial altar - yes I know that's all nonsense, but that I think is why latter day 'pagans' imagine they have some right to be there.
Freedom of religion and seperation of church and state are a good thing imho, Celtic roots, Norse roots... I gotta say I still think the henges are more than likely city/town/village cisterns and community gathering buildings. There is evidence of early aquaducts in Britain... I think the Roman's probably refined the process but the ancient Welsh (hunters/gatherers) more than likely started the process. No doubt that the religions of the day influenced the architecture. Just my thoughts.
@usmcdisabledvet I disagree on the meeting place theory, there would be domestic rubbish evidence which is lacking at this site & many others. You forget the heaps of burials too, you don't bury people in their living spaces generally. I'm not sure where youre going with the ancient welsh thing, but if you're implying that the welsh are the ancient britons, whilst through history & geo, they're the most undiluted peoples, it's very strong through the whole of Britain including in the English.
@chargedchaos The whole area is a scheduled ancient monument, protected by the law of the land and designated a World Heritage Centre. No one group represents the religion or spirituality of Stonehenge (not even druidry) because that religion is no longer practised, unlike with the Native Americans. There's strict protocol about the digging of any site, and removal of bodies. This has been done legally, but the issue is how long should they be kept for research.
@sonofherne they shouldnt dig in that area in my opinion with barrows all around, desecration of ancient graaves just so we can satisfy our curiosity!
@JAKEYCHAN Then how do we learn? You have to understand that a lot of thought goes into whether a dig is justified. These days, you must have a good reason, especially for disturbing bodies. Those that have been excavated recently have already been removed once,the remains thrown in together years ago. Also, in neolithic burial practice they were always moving around the dead & using bones for ritual. They had a different view of death than we do. You never know.It might be an honour for them
@JAKEYCHAN2010 I'd like to see you try. This kind of reactionary, woolly thinking is selfish. Without revenue many of these monuments & buildings wouldn't be standing. Without money how else can we pay for repairs, archaeological research, education training? Tourism is the life blood of our nation now. It's the reason why people visit our country. For them to keep coming we must have facilities - toilets, clean & safe sites, shops and food. Sorry, you can't have one without the other.
@sonofherne WITHOUT MONEY STONEHENGE WOULDN'T BE STANDING???? Is that what you're implying? stonehenge is for everyone and shouldnt have a pricetag. the money gain from it isnt exactly saving the economy or any other english heritage site. ALSO toilets shops and food closer to stonehenge? i dont think the ancestors would be happy lol.
@JAKEYCHAN2010 People don't see the cause and effect. Have you seen the pics of Stonehenge at the beginning of the 1900's? The circle was falling apart. Stones had been undermined, were loose and some even collapsed. Without it being closed off, repaired and excavated quickly we'd not know very much at all of what we now know about the monument. You are a fool if you think not touching it and allowing thousands access daily to do whatever they want is not going to be a bad thing.
@sonofherne you say the 1900,s but Stonehenge hasn't needed money to keep it standing for 99% of its time of existence. allowing thousands free access is a tool to spread goodwill and experience temporary true freedom in my opinion. if the allowing thousands daily access was referring to the proposal you have misread and misinterpreted the proposal. and are you yourself a druid?
@JAKEYCHAN2010 No, but that's because before that time people were negligent & ignorant towards the importance of the monument.They didn't know enough & didn't have the specialised machinery or cash to do repairs.Free access is granted 4 times of the year and that's an example of this "goodwill" you seem to prize.That was fought for,won, & most respect that. Most reasonable people understand that there cannot be thousands of people on the stones 365 days of the year. You must not be reasonable.
@sonofherne the proposal is about 1 day of access where people can decide what to do with the time afterwards i agree access 365 days a year will lead to the eventual inadvertent demise of the stones, you sound like a member of a government quango
@JAKEYCHAN2010 Amazing how one can see everything so black & white, and also be so wise at 22 years of age! You'll find I am the last person to think I'm a government narc. I'm a realist, an archaeologist/anthropologist with pagan leanings. So, I'm able to see this from many angles and not just one heavily polarised view like yourself. I've studied Stonehenge for more years than your age my friend. Peace.
@JAKEYCHAN2010 'All I'm hearing is,'let people do whatever they wish' & that is negligent & disrespectful. Not everyone recognises the sanctity of the place. Not everyone cares. They see it as a tourist attraction, a kiddies playground. People need social barriers. Laws have existed even in the time of Stonehenge. Evidence suggests it wasn't built for everyone, but an elite. Not everyone wouldve been allowed to go inside.Feel privileged you are able to now.
@sonofherne im not a druid just a 22 year old that believes strongly in EQUALITY. I agree that stone henge wat built for the elite in its prime but life on earth evolves should should the way we treat our fellow human beings. the druids WERE council for the people before the romans took over they should be guiding the drunks on behaviour or getting other members of the public to deal with them in equality based humane manner! its just my opinion...........peace
Fair enough, tho' it's the first time we've agreed thus far. Too many of the druids now are agitators instead of teachers. No one respects them especially when they make silly & elitist remarks. They may be expressing that places like this should be free, but what they are really saying when you talk to them is that it should be free for their own individual groups. Were they running SH you would find that there would be swiftly no access for the non-favored. No tourists to disturb their rites!
@JAKEYCHAN2010 Yes, money has financed repairs and restorations of the stones. Stonehenge is the PRIME supporter of hundreds of free access historic sites, plus grants to help restore historic properties owned by the public. Who are you to say what the ancestors would be happy with? For all you know, the ancestors would be bloody angry to have thousands of drunk and disrespectful people all over the stones as at Solstice when there's no evidence for large group gatherings there.
@sonofherne of course there were large gatherings there. there must of been at some point. As for the disrespectful drunks.....aren't they just seeking something but not quite sure what it is? shouldnt druids be advising them on behavioural conduct, after all that is what i thought druids did. live FOR the people.
@JAKEYCHAN2010 Prove there were large gatherings! There's a ton of archaeological evidence there wasn't & all we have is your say so it was. Drunks are drunks. They aren't seeking anything deep/spiritual or they'd recognise that dancing & puking over the ancient dead is, at best, disrespectful to the place. Druids should NOT be advising anyone. They don't have the authority. Stonehenge is nothing to do with druids. They were a reconstruct from the 1700's & nothing to do with ancient druids.
We've seen too well what Stonehenge would be like without someone to manage it. It'd be graffiti'd, litter everywhere, campfires, elitist pagans monopolising it. Just look at what happens at Solstice. Youre naive if you think it'd be anyway different. You're never going to have no tourists, it's too famous. With those sorts of visitors, our government has a legal obligation to offer facilities & charging an admission is never going to stop. Money for this doesn't come from the air.
they gather and run naked??????? um....why must they be naked cavemen wore crude clothing even they new that wen it gets colder at night u dont run naked. besides if they r trying to commun with nature at midnight fall asleep against a try it works fine
u wale up covered in dirt and leaves and probably for bird shit
@shondibelle No, the road is close but it has made no impact on the stability on the stones. The air pollution is also negligable. It's actually pretty clean air.
@drobertfoster I can imagine it and REMEMBER it! If you looks on You Tube at the Summer/Winter Solstice Access you can see that the stones just aren't meant for large amounts of people. You can see how awful it would be like if access was granted 365 days of the year. Camp fires, grafitti, and some of this all too often done by so-called "pagans" rather than yobs. I've lost count of the number of tea lights, crystals and shit littering ancient sites, left by people who SHOULD know better.
Druids, as much as I admire there respect for nature, just do not understand this.
This was a clock, and it was in alignment with the starts 12,000 years ago, it proves us humans have been around alot longer than 10,000 years. I went to aveburys and all these druids and hippis are like being spazy around these stones thinking there some spiritual healing bollocks when they wernt.
Its because they dont understandmaths and science so they make there on interpretation of it.
Have you seen the latest? I hear they have found another Stone Circle fairly near Stonehenge, that should be funny when the ravers move in and can't decide which Stonehenge to meet up at :) Did I see you there?
@AvalonIndependent All they found were holes which they believe might have held stones. Blue stones! t's also on private land and there's no plan to make the site accessible for the public. It's far too fragile to have gawking tourists scratching their heads and throwing down their candy wrappers. Another anomaly was found recently on the opposite end of SH. They are saying its another wooden circle. Looks like a very unusual barrow though. We're unlikely to know for sure without excavation.
@sonofherne u either are not well informed or a liar.....there is a plan to make Stonehenge accessible its called the stonehenge proposal regarding all day access for free and everyone. look it up, if ure a druid ull already know about it.
@JAKEYCHAN2010 You are the one that is il-informed. The new plan for the visitor centre will move the current centre & remove the encroaching road in part (A344) thus reuniting the monument with the processional avenue. People will be ferried from 1 mile away to the monument. There are, and never will be, plans to make Stonehenge free. The new centre and facilities need to be paid for after all!
So you see, don't assume you know more than other people. It make you look like a twit.
@bibbyni The fence should be bigger, and better built! It's been standing in some form since 1901. A lot of people forget that.
The stones were owned by a landowner for many hundreds of years up until 1918. If that was the same today, you think how much you'd have to pay then, & it's probably unlikely any of the stones would have been repaired or excavated like it has been over the last 100years. We'd literally know little than we do now.
@TheEpicOtaku Yes, you were bragging. Why say it otherwise? Right, I don't know you. I can see you are immature by the way you write. You were taught to type by putting LoL after every sentence? Good god, please go back to school.
Descending to plain insults is as low as you can get. It proves you have lost the argument. Don't post things you have no knowledge about. The internet is full of disinformation spread by idiots. I really doubt you have been to Stonehenge.
@TheEpicOtaku Oh I see! Your statement then about it 'not costing money' is just bragging on your part , or why say it? It just confuses folk. So you've been inside the henge? So do thousands of people on Solstice and on Special Access Tours. You seem a very jovial soul, putting LoL after every sentence, like it's all a bit of a lark. Also I find your rebut vaguely insulting and immature I guess. Oh well, I'm happy you're taking it all SO seriously...
@TheEpicOtaku There are 4 times a year when access is free. The rest of the time an admission must be paid. Stonehenge as a tourist site has been increasing in popularity since the 60's. It gets over 1 million visitors which all have a negative impact on the site. It's not just about the stones. They aren't going anywhere. It's the sensitive archaeology under the soil that is being eroded. Normally you may not enter the circle, but you DO actually go inside of the "henge" earthwork.
If it is an ancient and sacred place, worshippers should know that it was restrained in the first place in order to protect it because it was being ruined too fast.
I don't have a problem with anything he's saying. But I'm afraid the stones would be vandalised at some point if they were open to free use. You would have to have constant security guards around it and that costs money. They use it as a tourist attraction to make money and then they can pay security guards to keep it safe.
@arwen17evenstar A voice of reason, but it's not just security that costs. 1 million visitors a year. Government has a duty of care to them. Therefore, SH needs toilets, cafe, somewhere to sit, gift shop, somewhere to park, someone to clean & staff the said things. People don't work for free, even pagans need to earn money. SH earns no profit, the money is redistributed to other historic sites that don't get enough visitors or need urgent repair. It also pays for excavation & study.
I agree that it SHOULD be open to the public, but there are people who would to horrible things to the stones (writing, bashing, etc.) so I can understand why they would keep them closed... If only we didn't have to worry about things like that...
they keep druids out of their own church .so do they keep the cathlics out of their churh.they keep say that the uk isn't comunist.the rolty can be impeached there not elected thats the def. of comunism.the same as china .
@MrDaleaaaa It's not a Druid church. It's not a calender either. Any farmer worth his salt wouldn't need a bunch of stones to tell him when to plant or harvest.
@dmspar70 your right the church is the sun the moon and the earth.it also will tell you lonar cycle that will tell when earth quake are likely when diffent weather will be not exactly but when thing acur that will cause it to change .have you ever noticed that the moon cycle is never mention there is a 9 .25 year and 18.5 year cycle in the weather not on the dot but there abouts.doomsdayers take avantage of this lack of knowage governments too.
cmon now they couldnt of dragged them..how did they get it in a perfect circle? how did they put the stoneson top of another? [do u kno how much they weigh?] to me this is nothing more then some sort of demonic ritual/stargate
4 days is good enough but he's right about the widdershins walkway. Graffiti and trash would be all over the stones if they opened it up for public use.
Todos los ingenieros y cientificos dicen que PUma Punkku es el sitio megalitico ma increible y complecjo del mundo. Siembargo tambien Machu Pichu tiene que ser increibel. Nunca te fijastes en la pàgina igorfrankenstein2? Mirala los ingenieros rusos hicieron un trablajo expectacular sobro todo megalito.
@sweetypie000 Actually all evidence points to Stonehenge always being a place for the elite of the time. No evidence of mass gatherings at Solstice here. Parts of the neolithic landscape was designed for exclusion, with areas & domains of the ancestors where humans weren't meant to tread. An admission goes towards the sites upkeep from having 1 million people trouncing all over it a year. It also is distributed amongst 400 other historic sites, many of which are FREE or don't earn enough revenue
the national lottery has given millions to the national heritage for a new visitor centre. I don't kow how much money you imagine if costs to cut the lawn at stonehenge.Pale in comparrison to what they make on crap over priced trinkets
There is a public road that runs through it almost so theres not cost there either
It has survived 4,000 years + OK but suddenly in the last 50 + years needs 'up keep' ? LOL
it's a money making scam, just like the cutty sark,nothing more
@TheStyxhexenhammer Complete rubbish. Stonehenge has had nothing from Lottery grants. It relies on revenue made from ticket sales & it's members. The grants it gets from the government are lower each year. The National Trust owns the car park. EH has to rent it off them. Staff costs, utility and cleaning costs from all the rubbish (especially at Solstice) not to mention funding for archaeological excavation, lab research and a lot goes on other EH sites that don't make money.
@TheStyxhexenhammer If it doesn't cost very much and is a big money makign scam, you try to run it! Why didn't you buy it at auction when it was sold for £6,500 all those years ago? You may think the shop is full of over priced trinkets, perhaps it is, but people want to buy them. If they didn't, they wouldn't sell. Just because it's not to your taste... It's survived for 4,000yrs not without help, and we wouldn't know half of what we know if there hadn't been money to fund digs.
Sorry,back then there's a lot of evidence for the site being only used by the elite of the time. Not everyone wouldve been allowed to maul the stones like today. A lot the neolithic/bronze age landscape was dissected into no go areas. with lines of exclusion & people were killed if they transgressed the law. Feel privileged you are ALLOWED to walk the same path as your ancestors & respect the fact that the admission goes to preserving YOUR past so it's still here for people in another 4000yrs.
before stonehendge thiewr was woodhendge and befor that seahendge...thier is a mycian dagger carved in the stone its no sword though the sword in the stones means to sharpen your wit...if you ever get the chance go to stanton drew circle its magicl ive walked inside stonehendge at solstice truley wonderfull experiance ,underneath stonehendge are the remains of a small settlement ,in the16th century the tourists us to chip of bits of stone to take home as a mermento of thier vist.......
@aifammafiaaifam Your research is out of date. Woodhenge is contemporary with Stonehenge. It also wasn't the only "wood" henge. The dagger carvings on the stones are NOT mycenean. Myceni came after Stonehenge. It's more like a native/Breton dagger type. Along with the axe carvings, it's clearly a tribal power symbol. Small settlement under SH? No, just a wooden mortuary house probably. The settlement where they lived is 2 1/2 miles away.
this place is very sacred to those who belive in the celtic religion, example the taj mahal to the indians is special to them/ St. Peter's Basilica is very important to the people of rome, but this is like the only place in briton i could think of is peace and quiet. if i was a high priest of the modern day druids, i wish to be buried here with in my ancestors lands where they ruled.
Anextlomarusgaming 5 days ago
open the stones
ThePogle 1 month ago
agreed. Humans have no respect for history.
SydnRain 1 month ago
stonehenge and druids have no connection whatsoever,one came before the other by over 2000 years
still an amazing place
markandrach 2 months ago
@markandrach when the celts come to briton they used stonehedge although they never actually built... it's just like christains celebrate christmas although if you look up the real history of christmas it has no connection between christainity and christmas.
ExNinjadude 2 months ago
@ExNinjadude The celts never came to Britain. The British Celts aren't the same as continental celts, they are a completely different branch. No one was called a celt until a few hundred years ago. If Stonehenge was active at the time when the Romans were in Britain it would have been destroyed if celts/druids had been using it. Remember, they got wiped out.
sonofherne 2 months ago
Did he swallow one of the stones? He's huge.
metallicstucco 4 months ago
think it should open for the druid, and wichtan holidays, for them to use as holly place, for wicht it was built for in the first place.
MyShadowkat 4 months ago
@MyShadowkat .Whatever they do today as pagans, has little to do with what the Stonehenge people did. They left no writing so we can only guess at their beliefs and rituals. So those people are no 'closer' in anyway to the Stonehenge people than anyone else in the world. In fact much damage I've often seen at stone monuments lately are from so-called 'worshippers' using tealights on stones,chalking anachronistic symbols,sticking crystals in archaeologically sensitive areas, lighting fires etc
sonofherne 4 months ago
@sonofherne that is so true for some of pagans but not all, i am a irish sheman and forefather was before,and i use my drum of rattle and they leave with them,and what u have seen are are the markers af the which, they do such things not normaly druids, or shamans we respect the earth.
MyShadowkat 4 months ago
I admit whilst my statement is generalising, to confidentally say this isn't done normally by druids or shamans is inaccurate. You may not be aware that SH already caters for the many pagan/druid groups that chose to make Stonehenge their place of worship. Theyre permitted to hold rituals in the stones at certain times, but they dont have exclusivity over all others. Again, modern pagans - be it shamans, wiccans or druid have absolutely no revelance to the religion and use of Stonehenge.
sonofherne 4 months ago
He may call himself a druid priest but we know from history that they ancient traditions and teachings died out with the last of them.
FeignofCordor 4 months ago
@FeignofCordor actually no there are some that were carried down through family lines and tought to each of the children so he very well could be a druid priest
KymbahLee33 4 months ago
@KymbahLee33 Modern paganism aand druidism is a modern construct. Certain traditions that are pagan have been handed down over the centuries but not a whole religion
sonofherne 4 months ago
@sonofherne im drui not neo druid drui no d we are no modren construct like the wiccan new age or such we are the act of remembering we are no religion we are atheistic like buddist monks were have we been we didnt realze we had gone anywear history will remember soon enuff now the internet age has come more will remember an more will join if that all sounds abit od its coz wwoooo im drui but realy ya were coming back laoch sidhe an dulra i firinnean gu bragh
kingpharaohtsar 2 months ago
@kingpharaohtsar I always thought a druid was meant to be a learned soul, practised in the art of language. You have a problem stringing a sentence together to make yourself understood. It's meant to be a 20 year discipline, not a 'throw on a bed sheet and that makes me a druid.' Most druids I've known know nothing about the actual history of the places they are in. They have such a militant & unspiritual philosophy. Most are souls who've a problem with fitting in.
sonofherne 2 months ago
@sonofherne language is an od thing it changes alot my people have seen it change more then modren sassanach culture can think like gaelic thuogh to old english thru 2 modren english as for the other stuff its probliy becoz english peoples culture is dead that makes them like that i dont know any english druids so i cant realy comment but i will say this thay only seem to know of stonehenge when theres far older stuff elswear in alba eire an cymru bed sheets lol crazy
kingpharaohtsar 2 months ago
It's so sad that druids have been forced to modernize with the fast pace of the world
WatRunetotem 5 months ago
they should make the highway underground. it's just awful
saintben2008 5 months ago
@saintben2008 And plough through vital archaeology. Yes, that's smart. It's been looked at and was too costly btw. Tax payers paying £120million for an unnecessary tunnel through one of Britain's last natural chalklands? The road is a nightmare in Summer, but it's been there for thousands of years. People should find an alternative route past.
sonofherne 4 months ago
Chuck Norris moved them there!!
MrOribear 5 months ago
I think those who did in that time they wanted to scare ENEMIES
Humanoya 6 months ago
Why not keep the stones sacred from the public and build a new temple ? . Cant be that hard.
MrRjmac 6 months ago
@MrRjma Closing off the monument completely would be tremendously foolish & you underestimate the wealth of feeling & interest in people for their nation monument. Yes, in the long term, all the tourists do have a negative effect on the archaeology. In the Bronze Age there's evidence it was never intended for us by the community, only an elite. No evidence of huge gatherings. Building a full scale replica for people to interact with is sorely needed, but won't stop people from using the former.
sonofherne 5 months ago
I wonder if it was originally built in wood. then it became petrified
Shadowcontheoriginal 6 months ago
i went there when i was about 12. to see one of the worlds mysteries before even being a teenager was awesome.
Shadowcontheoriginal 6 months ago
@bluestarbuckscup Where to start, where to start. You're comment is so ignorant it's embaassing. People 5000yrs ago in this country weren't any different. They looked like us, they had the same brain capacity. It's the neolithic, not to be confused with neanderthal! The bones and bodies of these people are evidenced on site and, yes, they are YOURS and MY ancestors. If you want to believe something else it's your perogative. Silly, silly boy ...
sonofherne 6 months ago
@bluestarbuc Have you read the reports at Durrington Walls Henge near to Stonehenge? It's 99% likely that this IS where the builders lived, feasted,met for trade,rites & festivals before a number (& probably not all) processed to Stonehenge as well as West Amesbury henge, Vespasians Camp for rites associated with the great feasts -Winter/Summer Solstice. I'm not sure if this constitutes a linear view as you put it, but I'd like to hear an acceptible, non linear one which holds up to scrutiny.
sonofherne 6 months ago
@bluestarbuck What you have to consider is that over the course of the monuments life, a number of burials were placed into the circle which in the grand scheme of things is a very small percentage of the actual populace in the area at that time (a potential working community at Durrington Walls 2.5miles away of 8000) So, those people buried at the henge probably were quite special. 2 buried a year by recent evidence. Some date from the inception of the 1st phase, some from the mid/late phase.
sonofherne 6 months ago
my dream have seen this one day you will have to pay to get in to all sites even
forests just to see a tree corporations will have fences all around them
how sad the earth will be then
remospage 7 months ago
The stones were open at the summer solstice and it was abused to unappreciative morons. So it's a horrible idea to open it up all year round.
Pagyptsian 7 months ago 6
stonehenge was constructed by people who preceded the celts by 1 to 3 thousand years. the celts did not arrive in britain until long after stonehenge was built. So the druids had nothing to do with stonehenge.
beeshoney16 7 months ago
@beeshoney16 A little history: each of the celtic groups and pre-celtic groups who are 'original tribes' that invaded /settled the area now the British Isles is descended of the same family line. They're simply brothers and each family members descendants who moved away and each eventually came back to Ireland. The first of the family settled in this area around 312-352 years after the great flood, which was at the beginning of the neolithic period. It is assumed that British Isles [continued]
columhcille 7 months ago
@beeshoney16 [continued].. that the british Isles weren't even an Island yet, but that they were still attached to mainland Europe. IT is also asumed, because there is no other known people to have been settling in this area of the world at the time it can be said that the Partholons were the first pre-celtic people [of this same family] to start work on the STonehenge. THey also brought the long-graves with them which are found around stonehenge.The only other tribes known to have been [cont]
columhcille 7 months ago
@beeshoney16 [continued].. in this area of the world were "pirates" from Africa and possibly a group further north around the area of Norway..but no one actually settled in the iles except for these Pre-celtic Celts ;) 150 years after they started settling there, they were wiped out by plague and for another 300 or so years, the whole of the Iles had no one living in them...the next people to travel and settle there were the Nemedians during the start of the Bronze Age.
columhcille 7 months ago
this is driving me crazy. how the hell were they able to build those more than 2k years ago?
Exfire27 8 months ago
@Exfire27 Seriously? Quite easily, they weren't another species for heaven's sake. Remember, it's nearly 1000 years since medieval masons began building gothic cathedrals, churches and chapels using crude metal tools. We don't deny they did that and that it was impossible to their understanding. There was no time limit to projects like Stonehenge. It evolved and was added to slowly over a long time. It didn't go up overnight. Different, simple techniques were used that we still use today.
sonofherne 8 months ago
@Exfire27 Hard work and intelligence.
Steeleperfect 8 months ago
1:25
" Wasn't much topsoil ... was exposed chalk"
Don't some people talk BOLLUX !
The man has lost his mind.
4000 years ago the whole area would have been a dense forest.
The stone / bronze age people cut it all down over time for cooking fires and house building, and no one since ever introduced re-planting.
Which is why the whole area is now open plain.
OPOCHKA 9 months ago
@OPOCHKA Current understanding puts the start of agriculture in Britain much further back at around 4,500BC. Some 6,000 years ago. By the time Stonehenge was being conceived, the area was not forested. Forget the clearing in a forest thing (prevalent in the mesolithic) Neolithic farmers systematically deforested (often involving burning) huge areas of pine to turn into arable pasture. The presence of hazel in the area proves this, needing space and sunlight to grow.
sonofherne 8 months ago
time and what does he say then?
witchcerridwen 9 months ago
but how did they get the top stones on ?
cherrypie11061 10 months ago
@cherrypie11061 The commonly held belief which has been around for a long time is using wooden scaffolding to build layers, thus moving the lintel up one step at a time by wedging supports into the ends. Not an easy method, but nothing about it was easy. The scaffold could then be taken away, leaving no evidence. This holds weight over the earth ramp theory which archaeology does not agree with. There's just no evidence of soil being moved in great quantities to make ramps of any sort.
sonofherne 10 months ago
@sonofherne Is it allso true that some believe that it was alien beings that helped build these stones and is there any more stonehenges that have been built in the same way ?
cherrypie11061 10 months ago
@cherrypie11061 It's true there are many deluded people who believe these monuments were built by aliens. There's nothing at SH that couldn't have been achieved by man. SH isn't as precise as people want you to believe. It has errors & inferior stones. They even made the mortice holes the wrong way around on one lintel for heaven's sake. Forgivable for humans, not for aliens. There are 1000 stone circles in the UK alone, but SH is unique. It's the only one that has worked stones & lintel stones.
sonofherne 10 months ago
@sonofherne would you say that stone henge was used as a clock of some kind a time peice ?
cherrypie11061 10 months ago
Not as we'd perceive it.They weren't running to Stonehenge every time they needed to know the time. Two undeniable lines align the sunrise on the longest & shortest day - Midsummer/Midwinter. There's a minor alignment to Midwinter Sunrise also. That's really it! But, this has to be seen in a religious context. They were an agricultural society. There's no need to move massive stones to just tell the time when it could be done easier in wood. It had to do with the dead & the afterlife.
sonofherne 10 months ago
@sonofherne Thank you, you have been very helpfull.
cherrypie11061 10 months ago 2
people just need to open their hearts to the world and accept everything for what it is and accept what for what
Thien98 11 months ago
if they opened those stones to the public idiots would end up coming along and spray painting the stones...
TheIrocube 1 year ago 24
@TheIrocube thats why you dont just open them and leave... you open them and guard them...
simonkism 1 year ago
@TheIrocube wait, I thought stonehenge was open to the public and that you can literally walk right up to them. can you not?
michaelUNITEDKINGDOM 11 months ago
@michaelUNITEDKINGDOM Just a little research is needed to find out for sure. SH is open to the public. You are allowed 20ft up to the stones around a visitor path, but are not allowed inside. Access is granted four times of the year on solstice and equinoxe dawn. Since mass tourism the stones were closed to protect the stones and its archaeology. Not before time too.
sonofherne 10 months ago
@TheIrocube agreed, it's better to restrict access to such an important site than it is to let anyone go there. However If it's for pagan ritual purposes permits should be granted, after all it's what it was built for.
purplehatcult 9 months ago
@purplehatcult And that's pretty much as it is now, groups do infact apply to use it. But, paganism now is far removed from anything practiced at Stonehenge 4500 years back. To be fair, being pagan,druid etc does not automatically qualify you for any more rights to Stonehenge, or any other site, than anyone else of a spiritual nature.
sonofherne 8 months ago
@purplehatcult Well you can go there 4 times a year
lolatmyaccounts 7 months ago
@TheIrocube
Yes, imagine giving the public access to a public monument, what were they thinking?
Fucking snob.
asubjectiveopinion 6 months ago
@asubjectiveopinion What does being a public monument have to do with unlawful behaviour? It may be a public monument but this doesn't automatically give people the right to do whatever they wish, when they wish. It was bequethed to the Government to protect and upkeep it for future generations. With mass tourism it became necessary to close it off to general visitors, though most don't realise when visiting they are crossing actually inside of the monument, just not inside of the stones.
sonofherne 5 months ago
@sonofherne
Pretentious snob cunt
asubjectiveopinion 5 months ago
@TheIrocube that´s this day culture and art
uomoeeta 2 months ago
tHERE ISINFORMATION ABOUT A GUY WHO BUILT A STONEHENGE OF HIS OWN IT IS A MUST SEE IN TERMS OF POSSIBILITIES OF HOW THESE STONES MAY HAVE BEEN MOVED. ITS ABSOLUTESLY ASTONISHING ITS CALLED CORAL CASTLES EXPLAINED.ON YOUTUBE. GEOMETRIST ARE NOW TOUCHING ON HOW THESE THINGS MAY HAVE BEEN MOVED. U MUST WAYCH ALL THE VIDS TO REALIZE WHAT THIS GUY WAS DOING. I THINK HE WAS AN ALIEN. ITS A WAKE UP
sHAME ON THE ARCEOLOGIST FOR REMOVING THE BONES. DEMAND THEY BE BROUGHT BACK . SHAME ON THEM
moesez1 1 year ago
aliens built it - same aliens that built the pyramids
eitherwaybarneyrubbl 1 year ago
@eitherwaybarneyrubbl >.< your a fucking idiot.
RogueShooterUK 1 year ago
@RogueShooterUK well prove they didnt fucking build it then!
eitherwaybarneyrubbl 1 year ago
@eitherwaybarneyrubbl the pyramids? because there is historical evidence that the pharos had slaves from all over north africa to build them. SNM.
RogueShooterUK 1 year ago
@RogueShooterUK lol its a theory on how it could have been built - besides i never said i belived it my self....
eitherwaybarneyrubbl 1 year ago
@eitherwaybarneyrubbl you said 'aliens built it!' not one theory suggests aliens built it. nuff said.
RogueShooterUK 1 year ago
@RogueShooterUK yes i did say that they built but never said that i belived in that theroy! get over it
eitherwaybarneyrubbl 1 year ago
@eitherwaybarneyrubbl Theory* So you say that they DID build it, then you say that you dont believe they built it, hmm. not very smart are you?
RogueShooterUK 1 year ago
@RogueShooterUK please point out where i had stated that i had mentioned that i belived it all!
eitherwaybarneyrubbl 1 year ago
@RogueShooterUK You must have been reading the wrong Jane & Peter books because the latest evidence shows that the pyramids did not employ slaves to build it. They all had to be paid, housed, and fed or they would just not have done it. This goes for Stonehenge too, the difference being they didn't have the population that Egypt had.
sonofherne 1 year ago
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eitherwaybarneyrubbl 1 year ago
I think it's funny how many different company's charge admission to sites they don't own. It's like Pembrokeshire Coast National Park Authority and Carew castle. The castle belongs to the Carew family (With which I am a part) but they run it as a tourist attraction. Hell my family doesn't even get free admission into our own castle.
KingMKLA 1 year ago
@KingMKLA Stonehenge is owned by the state. It was given to the nation by the last landowner. It's now looked after by a government authority that does sterling work for over 400 historic monuments,funds excavation, research,education & gives money to people who own historic properties who can't maintain them. Without knowing your family history and claim, there's probably a good reason your family lost the castle. Many just can't afford the upkeep & people like National Trust or CADW step in.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@sonofherne I didn't say we lost the property. Carew and Pembroke castle are still a part of my familys landholdings. We leased it to the CADW in order to help with the upkeep and they have basically kicked us off the land.
KingMKLA 1 year ago
@KingMKLA I'm sure they say a different story. An organisation who've contributed a great deal of revenue to the restoration of these buildings is unlikely to just throw anyone out with a legitimate claim of ownership of the properties. There's a lot of estates where National Trust adminster & the families still live on site, for example. Pembroke appears like a roofless ruin & would be hard to make good for permanent living. Not sure of Carew. More likely it's a health & safety/finance thing.
sonofherne 1 year ago
' you have to remember this was soon after the ice age; there was not much topsoil..'Heloooo..Stonehenge was built a good 5000 years after the ice receded, giving plenty of time for topsoil to form..a small amount of research shows you are talking posterior-wise....
niallobinghe 1 year ago
Firstly, back when it was built, there were more forests, less erosion and MORE topsoil. I have never seen a 'thick layer of ice' on chalk downs in the winter. As for unrestricted acess at all times, few people actually understand what 'Freedom ' is and fewer still can handle the responsibility; do you want to see the henge covered in crowleyan graffitti?
niallobinghe 1 year ago
WHAT!? why the fuck do they think they have the right to dig up those bodies? holy shit.... if someone went to the Vatican, went to St Peter's Cathedral and started digging up any bodies that are burried there the Christians would flip!
holyranger61 1 year ago
@holyranger61 catholics
weedofdick 1 year ago
It's a shame to see a lot of highways and factories or whatever around this spiritual place. Nobody cared about changing the images some people had about this place.
darvinnful 1 year ago
@darvinnful The highway is actually built on a prehistoric road. Unfortunately because of progression that road has got bigger and busier. As for factories. Sorry, none of those about. It's in the middle of a world heritage site and no buildings par a farm in the distance and a heavily camoflaged visitor centre. Actually a 100 years ago there was a large farm and a few houses that were knocked down because they spoilt the view. Big difference from the image you cast of nobody caring.
sonofherne 1 year ago
In 1964 I took a photo of my parents and brothers sitting on one of the stones, we just drove up to them and looked around, not many people were there and it was all free. On the other hand, there was nothing to prevent us taking a souvenir or two. So I think on balance Stonehenge should not be easily accessible, especially to so called Druids or Paganesque folk.
RollaArtis 1 year ago
@RollaArtis Basically Stonehenge is basically a Pagan site officially so it should be easily accessible to Pagans,Wiccans and Druids...
steve8765 1 year ago
@steve8765 'Paganism', 'Druidism' etc. etc. are all modern concepts which have no relation to the beliefs of the original builders of Stonehenge. In any case it's not proven that Stonehenge was originally a place of worship in prehistoric times.
RollaArtis 1 year ago
@RollaArtis Agree with the first part,but one can jump through hoops for here to eternity.It's a site stripped of any domestic waste ruling out a meeting/trading place. Weve important burials on site,clearly only a small percent of the population were buried here. Weve an altar stone. processional aisle,inner sanctum with tribal markings. SH is more a building than a circle. It gives all indications of what we'd interpret as a prehistoric cathedral, which are also aligned to rising/setting sun.
sonofherne 10 months ago
@sonofherne But this is all subjective - if one already has decided it is a prehistoric cathedral then any feature can be cathedral like - such as the 'altar' etc. Although this so called 'Druid' is expounding on things so authoritatively, the information is obviously gained from substantive archaeological evidence and not some fanciful religious beliefs. Oh and BTW 4000 yrs ago the sun did not rise in the same place as it does now due to the precession of the earth.
RollaArtis 10 months ago
People have a misconception that the sun rose over the Heel Stone. It never did. There were two Heel Stones originally and the sun appeared between the two. The evidence is there for the missing stone. So, it really doesn't matter that the sun doesn't rise in the same place. Actually the processional differential is only a few degrees in 4000yrs. Soon, it will shift again so it appears more over the top of the stone.
sonofherne 10 months ago
@RollaArtis Let's say it's a burial site, that's not in dispute or subjective. We've a bloody lot of evidence. Why bother building a structure in the centre & in stone when this wasn't done elsewhere. If that's the case it has to have been used for something connected with the dead, like mortuary houses. This leads us into rites & ritual bringing about worship. Maybe not worship in the sense of one or more deities,but ancestral worship. This isn't subjective. We have a lot of proof for that.
sonofherne 10 months ago
@steve8765 Everyone in the world was pagan when SH was built, so by your reckoning everyone in the world should have a right to worship there. People who call themselves pagans & wiccans now are not practicising the same religion that the SH people practicised, so have no exclusive or moral right to it above anyone else. And you should know by now that modern pagans ARE given plenty of opportunities to interact with the site in a controlled manner. It's called solstice & equinox.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@RollaArtis That mightve been the case as you remember it, but you're wrong. An admission has been charged since 1901. If you were lucky enough not to pay, good for you. The henge was then under management by the DoE, and they didnt leave it abandoned as your comment implies. There weren't quite as strict controls as there are today under English Heritage but it still was a scheduled site, and if you were caught defacing it you could still be imprisoned. I'm glad we agree on the restrictions.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@sonofherne Thanks for the information but I was only 11, so I guess my parents paid the admission. As I wandered around I found it atmospheric and very impressive, particularly as I was told that one of the stones was a sacrificial altar - yes I know that's all nonsense, but that I think is why latter day 'pagans' imagine they have some right to be there.
RollaArtis 1 year ago
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jimsim3 1 year ago
I would keep it off limits like it is now because you know some idiots or the muslim youth might go at night and spray paint the stones or something.
Leon612 1 year ago
Only home ? must be a bit wet and windy and does it have a bathroom and kitchen?
bugibbab0y 1 year ago
Freedom of religion and seperation of church and state are a good thing imho, Celtic roots, Norse roots... I gotta say I still think the henges are more than likely city/town/village cisterns and community gathering buildings. There is evidence of early aquaducts in Britain... I think the Roman's probably refined the process but the ancient Welsh (hunters/gatherers) more than likely started the process. No doubt that the religions of the day influenced the architecture. Just my thoughts.
usmcdisabledvet 1 year ago
@usmcdisabledvet I disagree on the meeting place theory, there would be domestic rubbish evidence which is lacking at this site & many others. You forget the heaps of burials too, you don't bury people in their living spaces generally. I'm not sure where youre going with the ancient welsh thing, but if you're implying that the welsh are the ancient britons, whilst through history & geo, they're the most undiluted peoples, it's very strong through the whole of Britain including in the English.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@chargedchaos The whole area is a scheduled ancient monument, protected by the law of the land and designated a World Heritage Centre. No one group represents the religion or spirituality of Stonehenge (not even druidry) because that religion is no longer practised, unlike with the Native Americans. There's strict protocol about the digging of any site, and removal of bodies. This has been done legally, but the issue is how long should they be kept for research.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@sonofherne they shouldnt dig in that area in my opinion with barrows all around, desecration of ancient graaves just so we can satisfy our curiosity!
JAKEYCHAN2010 1 year ago
@JAKEYCHAN Then how do we learn? You have to understand that a lot of thought goes into whether a dig is justified. These days, you must have a good reason, especially for disturbing bodies. Those that have been excavated recently have already been removed once,the remains thrown in together years ago. Also, in neolithic burial practice they were always moving around the dead & using bones for ritual. They had a different view of death than we do. You never know.It might be an honour for them
sonofherne 1 year ago
rip down all the fences, enuff of a peoples monument being made a business by english heretics
JAKEYCHAN2010 1 year ago
@JAKEYCHAN2010 I'd like to see you try. This kind of reactionary, woolly thinking is selfish. Without revenue many of these monuments & buildings wouldn't be standing. Without money how else can we pay for repairs, archaeological research, education training? Tourism is the life blood of our nation now. It's the reason why people visit our country. For them to keep coming we must have facilities - toilets, clean & safe sites, shops and food. Sorry, you can't have one without the other.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@sonofherne WITHOUT MONEY STONEHENGE WOULDN'T BE STANDING???? Is that what you're implying? stonehenge is for everyone and shouldnt have a pricetag. the money gain from it isnt exactly saving the economy or any other english heritage site. ALSO toilets shops and food closer to stonehenge? i dont think the ancestors would be happy lol.
JAKEYCHAN2010 1 year ago
@JAKEYCHAN2010 stonehenge lasted for 10000 years without money why the rush now?
JAKEYCHAN2010 1 year ago
@JAKEYCHAN2010 People don't see the cause and effect. Have you seen the pics of Stonehenge at the beginning of the 1900's? The circle was falling apart. Stones had been undermined, were loose and some even collapsed. Without it being closed off, repaired and excavated quickly we'd not know very much at all of what we now know about the monument. You are a fool if you think not touching it and allowing thousands access daily to do whatever they want is not going to be a bad thing.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@sonofherne you say the 1900,s but Stonehenge hasn't needed money to keep it standing for 99% of its time of existence. allowing thousands free access is a tool to spread goodwill and experience temporary true freedom in my opinion. if the allowing thousands daily access was referring to the proposal you have misread and misinterpreted the proposal. and are you yourself a druid?
JAKEYCHAN2010 1 year ago
@JAKEYCHAN2010 No, but that's because before that time people were negligent & ignorant towards the importance of the monument.They didn't know enough & didn't have the specialised machinery or cash to do repairs.Free access is granted 4 times of the year and that's an example of this "goodwill" you seem to prize.That was fought for,won, & most respect that. Most reasonable people understand that there cannot be thousands of people on the stones 365 days of the year. You must not be reasonable.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@sonofherne the proposal is about 1 day of access where people can decide what to do with the time afterwards i agree access 365 days a year will lead to the eventual inadvertent demise of the stones, you sound like a member of a government quango
JAKEYCHAN2010 1 year ago
@JAKEYCHAN2010 Amazing how one can see everything so black & white, and also be so wise at 22 years of age! You'll find I am the last person to think I'm a government narc. I'm a realist, an archaeologist/anthropologist with pagan leanings. So, I'm able to see this from many angles and not just one heavily polarised view like yourself. I've studied Stonehenge for more years than your age my friend. Peace.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@sonofherne fairplay lol peace be with you too.
JAKEYCHAN2010 1 year ago
@JAKEYCHAN2010 'All I'm hearing is,'let people do whatever they wish' & that is negligent & disrespectful. Not everyone recognises the sanctity of the place. Not everyone cares. They see it as a tourist attraction, a kiddies playground. People need social barriers. Laws have existed even in the time of Stonehenge. Evidence suggests it wasn't built for everyone, but an elite. Not everyone wouldve been allowed to go inside.Feel privileged you are able to now.
I'm no druid thanks. Are you?
sonofherne 1 year ago
@sonofherne im not a druid just a 22 year old that believes strongly in EQUALITY. I agree that stone henge wat built for the elite in its prime but life on earth evolves should should the way we treat our fellow human beings. the druids WERE council for the people before the romans took over they should be guiding the drunks on behaviour or getting other members of the public to deal with them in equality based humane manner! its just my opinion...........peace
JAKEYCHAN2010 1 year ago
Fair enough, tho' it's the first time we've agreed thus far. Too many of the druids now are agitators instead of teachers. No one respects them especially when they make silly & elitist remarks. They may be expressing that places like this should be free, but what they are really saying when you talk to them is that it should be free for their own individual groups. Were they running SH you would find that there would be swiftly no access for the non-favored. No tourists to disturb their rites!
sonofherne 1 year ago
@JAKEYCHAN2010 Yes, money has financed repairs and restorations of the stones. Stonehenge is the PRIME supporter of hundreds of free access historic sites, plus grants to help restore historic properties owned by the public. Who are you to say what the ancestors would be happy with? For all you know, the ancestors would be bloody angry to have thousands of drunk and disrespectful people all over the stones as at Solstice when there's no evidence for large group gatherings there.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@sonofherne of course there were large gatherings there. there must of been at some point. As for the disrespectful drunks.....aren't they just seeking something but not quite sure what it is? shouldnt druids be advising them on behavioural conduct, after all that is what i thought druids did. live FOR the people.
JAKEYCHAN2010 1 year ago
@JAKEYCHAN2010 Prove there were large gatherings! There's a ton of archaeological evidence there wasn't & all we have is your say so it was. Drunks are drunks. They aren't seeking anything deep/spiritual or they'd recognise that dancing & puking over the ancient dead is, at best, disrespectful to the place. Druids should NOT be advising anyone. They don't have the authority. Stonehenge is nothing to do with druids. They were a reconstruct from the 1700's & nothing to do with ancient druids.
sonofherne 1 year ago
We've seen too well what Stonehenge would be like without someone to manage it. It'd be graffiti'd, litter everywhere, campfires, elitist pagans monopolising it. Just look at what happens at Solstice. Youre naive if you think it'd be anyway different. You're never going to have no tourists, it's too famous. With those sorts of visitors, our government has a legal obligation to offer facilities & charging an admission is never going to stop. Money for this doesn't come from the air.
sonofherne 1 year ago
they gather and run naked??????? um....why must they be naked cavemen wore crude clothing even they new that wen it gets colder at night u dont run naked. besides if they r trying to commun with nature at midnight fall asleep against a try it works fine
u wale up covered in dirt and leaves and probably for bird shit
MrBleachSama 1 year ago
I have a fear that the highway close by is a bad thing...wont it upset the underground balance of the stones?
shondibelle 1 year ago
@shondibelle most likely yes
but it have to be a lot of traffic or an earthquake which are quite rare in the U.K
MrBleachSama 1 year ago
@shondibelle No, the road is close but it has made no impact on the stability on the stones. The air pollution is also negligable. It's actually pretty clean air.
sonofherne 1 year ago
lol at 3:50 it's Leliana with the mods :P
Gokuisthebest312 1 year ago
I understand their need for access, but if everyone could go there, can you image the spray paint, litter and idiots trying to take chips of stone?
drobertfoster 1 year ago
@drobertfoster I can imagine it and REMEMBER it! If you looks on You Tube at the Summer/Winter Solstice Access you can see that the stones just aren't meant for large amounts of people. You can see how awful it would be like if access was granted 365 days of the year. Camp fires, grafitti, and some of this all too often done by so-called "pagans" rather than yobs. I've lost count of the number of tea lights, crystals and shit littering ancient sites, left by people who SHOULD know better.
sonofherne 1 year ago
Druids, as much as I admire there respect for nature, just do not understand this.
This was a clock, and it was in alignment with the starts 12,000 years ago, it proves us humans have been around alot longer than 10,000 years. I went to aveburys and all these druids and hippis are like being spazy around these stones thinking there some spiritual healing bollocks when they wernt.
Its because they dont understandmaths and science so they make there on interpretation of it.
loolfactorie 1 year ago
Have you seen the latest? I hear they have found another Stone Circle fairly near Stonehenge, that should be funny when the ravers move in and can't decide which Stonehenge to meet up at :) Did I see you there?
AvalonIndependent 1 year ago
@AvalonIndependent All they found were holes which they believe might have held stones. Blue stones! t's also on private land and there's no plan to make the site accessible for the public. It's far too fragile to have gawking tourists scratching their heads and throwing down their candy wrappers. Another anomaly was found recently on the opposite end of SH. They are saying its another wooden circle. Looks like a very unusual barrow though. We're unlikely to know for sure without excavation.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@sonofherne ITS A FURBLOG DEN RUN FOR UR F***IN LIVES!!!!!!
MrBleachSama 1 year ago
@sonofherne u either are not well informed or a liar.....there is a plan to make Stonehenge accessible its called the stonehenge proposal regarding all day access for free and everyone. look it up, if ure a druid ull already know about it.
JAKEYCHAN2010 1 year ago
@JAKEYCHAN2010 You are the one that is il-informed. The new plan for the visitor centre will move the current centre & remove the encroaching road in part (A344) thus reuniting the monument with the processional avenue. People will be ferried from 1 mile away to the monument. There are, and never will be, plans to make Stonehenge free. The new centre and facilities need to be paid for after all!
So you see, don't assume you know more than other people. It make you look like a twit.
sonofherne 1 year ago
Great, a lovely spot. Shame about the fence. Interesting video thanks.
bibbyni 1 year ago
@bibbyni The fence should be bigger, and better built! It's been standing in some form since 1901. A lot of people forget that.
The stones were owned by a landowner for many hundreds of years up until 1918. If that was the same today, you think how much you'd have to pay then, & it's probably unlikely any of the stones would have been repaired or excavated like it has been over the last 100years. We'd literally know little than we do now.
So, we have to be thankful for small mercies.
sonofherne 1 year ago
f u goverment
shantiboomj 1 year ago
@TheEpicOtaku Yes, you were bragging. Why say it otherwise? Right, I don't know you. I can see you are immature by the way you write. You were taught to type by putting LoL after every sentence? Good god, please go back to school.
Descending to plain insults is as low as you can get. It proves you have lost the argument. Don't post things you have no knowledge about. The internet is full of disinformation spread by idiots. I really doubt you have been to Stonehenge.
sonofherne 1 year ago
lmao addison lee driver are the worst in the country bar none !
don't let them near stonehendge they will reverse into it and demolish it !
TheStyxhexenhammer 1 year ago
@TheEpicOtaku Oh I see! Your statement then about it 'not costing money' is just bragging on your part , or why say it? It just confuses folk. So you've been inside the henge? So do thousands of people on Solstice and on Special Access Tours. You seem a very jovial soul, putting LoL after every sentence, like it's all a bit of a lark. Also I find your rebut vaguely insulting and immature I guess. Oh well, I'm happy you're taking it all SO seriously...
sonofherne 1 year ago
@TheEpicOtaku There are 4 times a year when access is free. The rest of the time an admission must be paid. Stonehenge as a tourist site has been increasing in popularity since the 60's. It gets over 1 million visitors which all have a negative impact on the site. It's not just about the stones. They aren't going anywhere. It's the sensitive archaeology under the soil that is being eroded. Normally you may not enter the circle, but you DO actually go inside of the "henge" earthwork.
sonofherne 1 year ago
big brown eggs and hairy vaginas!!! I didn't know they put fences up!!!!!! when did this happen?
ThePheolix 1 year ago
@ThePheolix 1901 this happened. Then it was still privately owned. An admission fee first started then.
sonofherne 1 year ago
If it is an ancient and sacred place, worshippers should know that it was restrained in the first place in order to protect it because it was being ruined too fast.
redturf145 1 year ago
I don't have a problem with anything he's saying. But I'm afraid the stones would be vandalised at some point if they were open to free use. You would have to have constant security guards around it and that costs money. They use it as a tourist attraction to make money and then they can pay security guards to keep it safe.
arwen17evenstar 1 year ago
@arwen17evenstar A voice of reason, but it's not just security that costs. 1 million visitors a year. Government has a duty of care to them. Therefore, SH needs toilets, cafe, somewhere to sit, gift shop, somewhere to park, someone to clean & staff the said things. People don't work for free, even pagans need to earn money. SH earns no profit, the money is redistributed to other historic sites that don't get enough visitors or need urgent repair. It also pays for excavation & study.
sonofherne 1 year ago
I agree that it SHOULD be open to the public, but there are people who would to horrible things to the stones (writing, bashing, etc.) so I can understand why they would keep them closed... If only we didn't have to worry about things like that...
22Cat22 1 year ago
they keep druids out of their own church .so do they keep the cathlics out of their churh.they keep say that the uk isn't comunist.the rolty can be impeached there not elected thats the def. of comunism.the same as china .
MrDaleaaaa 1 year ago
@MrDaleaaaa It's not a Druid church. It's not a calender either. Any farmer worth his salt wouldn't need a bunch of stones to tell him when to plant or harvest.
dmspar70 1 year ago
@dmspar70 your right the church is the sun the moon and the earth.it also will tell you lonar cycle that will tell when earth quake are likely when diffent weather will be not exactly but when thing acur that will cause it to change .have you ever noticed that the moon cycle is never mention there is a 9 .25 year and 18.5 year cycle in the weather not on the dot but there abouts.doomsdayers take avantage of this lack of knowage governments too.
MrDaleaaaa 1 year ago
@dmspar70 its a observitory with the recorded data in stone
MrDaleaaaa 9 months ago
level 80 nelf druid
7777phoenix 1 year ago
cmon now they couldnt of dragged them..how did they get it in a perfect circle? how did they put the stoneson top of another? [do u kno how much they weigh?] to me this is nothing more then some sort of demonic ritual/stargate
0theetruth0 1 year ago
Take a look at my video, 'Stonehenge & the Druids' at the 2010 Vernal Equinox.
PeteUtonic 1 year ago
4 days is good enough but he's right about the widdershins walkway. Graffiti and trash would be all over the stones if they opened it up for public use.
gravedesire666 1 year ago 3
Stonehenge is an incredible construction!
Thanks for sharing!
Saludos from MACHU PICCHU Peru
MachuPicchuTours 2 years ago
@MachuPicchuTours
Todos los ingenieros y cientificos dicen que PUma Punkku es el sitio megalitico ma increible y complecjo del mundo. Siembargo tambien Machu Pichu tiene que ser increibel. Nunca te fijastes en la pàgina igorfrankenstein2? Mirala los ingenieros rusos hicieron un trablajo expectacular sobro todo megalito.
MsArgentana 1 year ago
£6.60 to enter and stand 30 feet away.
could you imagine the people who built it knowing that people are charged to experience it? what a joke this world is today
sweetypie000 2 years ago 11
@sweetypie000 modern day life sucks.
Antiks72 1 year ago
@sweetypie000 Actually all evidence points to Stonehenge always being a place for the elite of the time. No evidence of mass gatherings at Solstice here. Parts of the neolithic landscape was designed for exclusion, with areas & domains of the ancestors where humans weren't meant to tread. An admission goes towards the sites upkeep from having 1 million people trouncing all over it a year. It also is distributed amongst 400 other historic sites, many of which are FREE or don't earn enough revenue
sonofherne 1 year ago
I agree with sweets,
the national lottery has given millions to the national heritage for a new visitor centre. I don't kow how much money you imagine if costs to cut the lawn at stonehenge.Pale in comparrison to what they make on crap over priced trinkets
There is a public road that runs through it almost so theres not cost there either
It has survived 4,000 years + OK but suddenly in the last 50 + years needs 'up keep' ? LOL
it's a money making scam, just like the cutty sark,nothing more
TheStyxhexenhammer 1 year ago
@TheStyxhexenhammer Complete rubbish. Stonehenge has had nothing from Lottery grants. It relies on revenue made from ticket sales & it's members. The grants it gets from the government are lower each year. The National Trust owns the car park. EH has to rent it off them. Staff costs, utility and cleaning costs from all the rubbish (especially at Solstice) not to mention funding for archaeological excavation, lab research and a lot goes on other EH sites that don't make money.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@TheStyxhexenhammer If it doesn't cost very much and is a big money makign scam, you try to run it! Why didn't you buy it at auction when it was sold for £6,500 all those years ago? You may think the shop is full of over priced trinkets, perhaps it is, but people want to buy them. If they didn't, they wouldn't sell. Just because it's not to your taste... It's survived for 4,000yrs not without help, and we wouldn't know half of what we know if there hadn't been money to fund digs.
sonofherne 1 year ago
Sorry,back then there's a lot of evidence for the site being only used by the elite of the time. Not everyone wouldve been allowed to maul the stones like today. A lot the neolithic/bronze age landscape was dissected into no go areas. with lines of exclusion & people were killed if they transgressed the law. Feel privileged you are ALLOWED to walk the same path as your ancestors & respect the fact that the admission goes to preserving YOUR past so it's still here for people in another 4000yrs.
sonofherne 1 year ago
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addison lee:
undoubtedly the worst drivers in london. i wonder how many deaths and accidents they have been responsible for ?
I seriously question the ability and skill of the drivers they employ and i bet many are still driving on their international license
sweetypie000 2 years ago
before stonehendge thiewr was woodhendge and befor that seahendge...thier is a mycian dagger carved in the stone its no sword though the sword in the stones means to sharpen your wit...if you ever get the chance go to stanton drew circle its magicl ive walked inside stonehendge at solstice truley wonderfull experiance ,underneath stonehendge are the remains of a small settlement ,in the16th century the tourists us to chip of bits of stone to take home as a mermento of thier vist.......
aifammafiaaifam 2 years ago
@aifammafiaaifam Your research is out of date. Woodhenge is contemporary with Stonehenge. It also wasn't the only "wood" henge. The dagger carvings on the stones are NOT mycenean. Myceni came after Stonehenge. It's more like a native/Breton dagger type. Along with the axe carvings, it's clearly a tribal power symbol. Small settlement under SH? No, just a wooden mortuary house probably. The settlement where they lived is 2 1/2 miles away.
sonofherne 1 year ago