Overpriced, underpowered, inaccurate, and all of the civilian versions I saw in the 70's were cheap junk that jammed all the time......... And THAT was when you could buy them used for 50 bucks, now the little suckers are ridiculously expensive. What, are they better now?
Even if they are, the 30 M1 carbine round is a miserable little wet fart of a cartridge, not fit for much of anything but varmints at close range.
@Blahblobify from what i hear they're is a kit to make the m1 fully automatic(yes it is illegule and people don relise it till the feds knock on the door) I would rather buy a AK-47 for $370,mosin nagant $100,rem 870 $300,colt python $400( expensive for a revolver but worth it ),the list would go on but 500 word limit
@Blahblobify Inaccurate? I hit a man sized target up to 200 yards with one. Underpowered. Arguebally yes. Overpriced? They're historical firearms. Yes, I've had Carbines jam before, but I have had a Garand jam on me once too. Gelatin tests say otherwise. When it comes down to it, even 30/06 ball ammo won't be tons more lethal then .30 carbine. They are both non expending .30 caliber cartridges. While the 30/06 penetrates slightly more.
Dude the M1 carbine might do 3 MOA on a good day at 100 yards in my book that's innaccurate.
Yes the GI versions were very reliable. The crap civilian versions I've handled were all jam-o-matics.
And I can't het past that crummy little 110 grain pistol bullet that might hit 1900 fps at the muzzle and is slightly more powerful than a .380 ACP at 250 yards.
@Blahblobify But you fired a crummy civilian version. Maybe the barrel was bad on them. The .30 carbine will probably hit harder then a 5.56x45 will at 250 yards. The 5.56x45 is very unlikely to yaw or fragment at that distance.
Dude the M1 carbine might do 3 MOA on a good day at 100 yards in my book that's innaccurate.
Yes the GI versions were very reliable. The crap civilian versions I've handled were all jam-o-matics.
And I can't het past that crummy little 110 grain pistol bullet that might hit 1900 fps at the muzzle and is slightly more powerful than a .380 ACP at 250 yards.
@PoppingSanta Well the human body can only take so much hydrostatic shock, the 30-06 will kill instantly in a single head, torso, or abdoman hit, so will the .30Carbine, it has far more than enough energy to shut down the human body from shock, plus it frequently expands inside and stops, unlike the neater narrower channel caused by the 30-06, nevertheless, both round kill instantly, just the 30-06 kills at all ranges, short, medium, and long, Carbine only really kills instantly out to 100 yards
Okay, this is the situation. You're a genius when it comes to stuff like this, I'm not a genius when it comes to stuff like this. I just based my statement on a documentary about the French Foreign Legion and in that documentary they explained why the Legion choose to use adopt the M1 Carbine even though the M1 Garand was avaliable (?). Have a good one! :)
@PoppingSanta Thats right, because the Carbine had a larger ammo capacity, M-2 had a 30 round magaine with full auto capability, it was much lighter, easier to carry, lighter recoil, and the jungle conditions they were fighting in Southeast Asia, the combat was usually at close range, which is why the Carbine was fond to be more versitile than a full size battle rifle like the M-1, and was used more frequently.
@LoneWolf051 The 30/06 isn't a lot more lethal if we are talking about ball ammo. They are both leaving .30 caliber holes, no expansion in ball ammo. If we are talking about hollow points or soft points, then a 30/06 is hands down better, but soldiers had no access to this type of ammo in war.
@legostarwarscustoms1 I'd prefer the Carbine at close range, since it does more physical damage than the 30-06 with its weak, blunt tip expanding round, I've taken down a 300 pound deer at 70 yards in a single body hit with my Carbine. The internal wound cavity on that deer was about the size of a basketball, the damage of the 30-06 is about the size of a baseball, and went straight through the deer, without expending much energy inside it, due to its high velocity, pointed bullet.
@LoneWolf051 While the Federov falls into the category of assault rifles and you could say it was the first "true" assault rifle, the term assault rifle was coined by Hitler. So technically the STG would be the first "assault rifle."
@THEKINGOFMETROPOLIS The StG was the first weapon to be CALLED an assult rifle, but the Federov still falls into the assault rifle catagory, and since it was there before every other assault rifle, that make it the world's first practical assault rifle
this is such a great story, a guy just trying to make a buck gets harrassed by a scumbag Fed Agent over a retarded law no one supported, manages to shoot one, gets sent to jail, makes a gun that saves the lives of thousands of other simple men like him which he sells to the same worthless Federal Government that tried to lock him away, and retires a millionare.
Actually M1 carbine has more stopping power than the .306 springfield ammo in close range, the test in the video 'the french foreign legion weaponology' part 4 or 5 shows that.
@FeelFree3 Well, same stopping power, just the 30-06 has much better range, accuracy, and penetration, but the .30 Carbine does much more gruesome damage at close range from its low velocity, blunt tip round.
@LoneWolf051 Where the hell did you get your into, the .30-06 has far more energy and stopping power at any range compared to the .30 carbine. shooting at such a close range with a .30-06 will definatly cause fragmentation and huge hydrostatic shock.
@1ohtaf1 It comes from my 18+ years first hand experience with both rounds and weapons. Theres vidoes all over proving it aswell, look at "Weaponology:French Foriegn Legion part 4" starting at 6:10.
Experience doesnt lie, the Carbine makes larger internal wounds than the 30-06 at close range.
@LoneWolf051 Im sure you had 18 years of weapon experiance... Looking as how you think watching youtube videos and going on wikipedia counts as "weapon experiance" i am finding it hard to take you seriously. the .30-06 will fragment and dump all its energy into human body creating a wound not matched by the .30 carbine. with your logic the .45 Auto Colt will have even MORE stopping power than both the .30-06 and .30 Carbine
@1ohtaf1 I own both an M1 Garand, and an M1 Carbine, and have been shooting them for years, both hunting, competitions, and ballistics demonstrations. Theres plenty of video proof out there if you dont believe me.
Both the 30-06, .30 Carbine, and .45 ACP kill in 1 hit at their intended range, the .45 kills instantly out to 50 yards, the .30carbine kills in one hit out to 100 yards, and the 30-06 kills in a single hit out to 700 yards.
@LoneWolf051 You clearly have been going around in forums to much, "oh the .45 ACP will kill someone INSTATLY all the way out at 50 yrds" Many people have got shot by a .45ACP and survived the whole if you get hit the the foot by it, it will kill you instatly is frankly BS.
@1ohtaf1 If you got hit in the foot with a .45 you're foot would likely need to be amputated or at the very least, need immediete medical attention, and you'd have a very bad day. But no, I dont think any small arm cartridge hitting you in the foot would kill you, the only way you'd die is by bleeding out.
@1ohtaf1 The .30carbine has the same stopping power as the .45, its longer and a little sleeker because its designed to have better range and accuracy, ballistics tests btween the two at 50 yards showed they had almost identical wond cavities, at 100 yards, the Carbine kept the same size cavity, the .45 had noticebly less damage. Thats why the .30 Carbine was developed with the M1 Carbine, to keep the knock down power of a .45, only give it more range and accuracy.
@LoneWolf051 That just proves that you are an idiot. I never heard of such BS, a military force wanting to give their soldiers primary long arm "as much knock down power" as their side arm??? You are an complete idiot. .45 has around 414 ft lbf of energy, the .30 Carbine has around 917 ft lbf and the .30-06 has 2820 ft lbf so with your logic that since te .30 carbine was more powerful than the .30-06 because it was "blunt" the .45 should be even more powerful than it... You are an idiot.
@1ohtaf1 Remember, "power" and "stopping power" are completely different, the 30-06 has vastly more power than a mere pistol-size .30Carbine, however, the 30-06 doesnt expend all its energy inside the target, like te carbinedoes, the carbine is intentionally less powerful, because itss designed to stop inside the target and expand all is energy in a 6 inch penetration channel that 917 ftlb of energy is exended inside of. The 30-06 passes right through the target, only expending about 600 ftlb...
@LoneWolf051 The only reason the .30 carbine does not go through is because it does not have the power to do so. Both of these rounds have the same diameter. Since the .30-06 is heavier and going much faster, it fragments, explosively almost inside the target, dumping all its energy into the target. And all of the .30-06 energy is more than the .30 carbine.
@1ohtaf1 Thats why the exit wound of a 30-06 is about the size of a baseball, thats what 800 ftlb of energy does. However, at more than 100 yards, the carbine's power deminishes dramatically, at 300 yards it only does as muc damage as a 9mm, and at 300 yards, as much damage as a .22 LR, while the 30-06 keeps its massive energy out to 700-800 yards. Thats why the Carbine was useful in limited situations because its power to range ratio was limited, afterall it was intended as a sidearm substitute
@LoneWolf051 As the video I referred you to showed, the .30 carbine does much more internal damage at close range than the 30-06. The 30-06 is pointed and high velocity, and has much more power than the carbine it typically passes right through the target (killing instantly of course) and doesnt expend too much energy, thats the main reason why the military replaced it and the 7.62x51 with the 5.56x45mm, because they were too much overkill/overpenetration.
@LoneWolf051 Out past 100 yards however, the Carbine wont likely kill instantly, so its usefuless is within the 100 yard range. The massive 30-06 (producing a neater bullet channel) will kill at any range, from 0-1000 yards (with the use of a scope) the 30-06 is of course the overall better round, since its far more versitile and has nearly 6 times the range of a carbine. yes the Carbine does more gruesome internal wound damage under 100 yards than a 30-06 does, but the 30-06 kills at ALL ranges
@LoneWolf051 In fact, at a glance, the damage to a human body (from the outside) doesnt look all that bad, you'd only see a penny-sized entry wound, since the bullet is blunt tipped and is of weak power (penetration), and no exit wound (if the victim was hit in the torso or abdomen), a 30-06 of course will pass in one side and out th other, with a large baseball size exit wound, however, if you were to x ray thr carbine victim, you'd see massive expansion damage amost 12 inches in diameter....
@LoneWolf051 Thats a lie, fragments could travel 6" up or down but the wound channel would not be that diameter. the .30-06 created multiple wound channels that suppassed the .30 carbine.
@LoneWolf051 The proof is in physics. A heavier faster projectile has more energy than a smaller slower one. And a faster projectile has more resistance when entering another medium than a slower one.
@1ohtaf1 You forgot the bullet shape, weight, and velocity, a high velocity, heavy, pointed round like the 30-06, means it will penetrate straight through and keep going, a low power blunt tip round wont penetrate through, but flatten out, and expand all its energy in the target..... Watch the video, It proves my point perfectly.
@LoneWolf051 You clearly didnt read what i typed, i covered that. The fact that you said a slow round will meet more resistance than a fast one proves you know nothing about physics. the .30-06 will not only expand but explode and dump ALL its energy into the target.
@1ohtaf1 That depends on the thickness of the target, a human torso wont cause it to explode if it exploded and expended ALL its energy in the target, then there would be no exit wounds. The most that'd happen on a human target would be a slight deviation in its trajectory, maybe come out sideways, its happened with deer I've hunted.
However a lightweight, small frame high velocity round like a 5.56mm will explode and fragment, since its so light, pointed, and moving so fast.
@LoneWolf051 Wrong, again. the reason the .30 carbine had a bunt nose was because it did not have the velocity to fragment reliably. the .30-06 however did. You seem to be under the impression that only .22" projectiles fragment and explode. however a larger 30" projectile will also fragment and explode producing more hydrostatic shock.
@1ohtaf1 To make a round the size and weight of a 30-06 eplode in a human size target, it'd need to be moving considerably faster than 2800 FPS, more like 3500FPS the 5.56mm travels at around 3200 FPS, and that doesnt ALWAYS tumble and fragment, which is why troops use a follow up shot, or burst. Since the 30-06 is so heavy it will need alot more velocity to be able to tumble and explode inside a target like a human. Maybe it would in a 2 foot-thick gel block, but rarely in a human size target.
@1ohtaf1 Sure it CAN fragment, but most times it simply tumbled on it's side and exited. It needs to have a higher velocity than the usual 2800 FPS, at that velocity it passes through both front and back, and the most that happens is 1 tumble. Modern 30-06 ammo can have much higher velocity, and will fragment, but not military loadouts of 70 years ago. And what idiot ever said a .45 will kill you if it shot you in the foot?
@LoneWolf051 You did. Furthermore the M2 ball has a much higher chance of fragmenting than the .30 carbine. You are sooo stupid, claiming the .30-06 2800FPS was to slow to fragment but the .30 carbine velocity about 1000FPS slower always did...
@1ohtaf1 Dont remember saying that. And I said the .30carbine doesnt fragment, it expands/flatten out, the 30-06 doesnt, it either tumbles, or typically goes striaght through, internally, at close range, the carbine does more physical damage. That's what I was originally saying, I gave you video proof of it, and you refused it.
@LoneWolf051 You dont remember alot of things. I did not refuse anything, i just pointed out obvious logic and the laws of physics which your magic .30 Carbine cartridge can somehow defy.
@1ohtaf1 I said it'd kill you in 1 hit, ie. head, torso, or abdomen. Obviously you did refuse, since if you watched that video, you'd see the larger damage cavity the Carbine made than the 30-06 at close range. Which is my whole point here.
@esh325 Unless that target happens to be a human body, in which the 30-06 usually passes straight through, and keeps on going, a 30-06 passing through a human only expends about 1/3 of its total energy, before it exits. Thats why if you shot a human target the bullet would pass through it, and still have enough energy to penetrate into a cinder block. Which is why it was deemed "overkill" and replaced by smaller rounds like the 5.56 which, (like the Carbine) expend all its energy within.
@LoneWolf051 While if you were to x-ray the 30-06 victim, the wound damage, while very big, is much more narrow, and straight through getting gradually larger in diameter because of the energy being expended until it leaves the other side of the body, by that time the wound channel has opened up from a penny-sized hole, to a hole about 4 inches in diameter (baseball size). Now the 30-06 will always have this damage at any range, the Carbine (past 100 yards) will do far less damage than the 30-06
@LoneWolf051 Many soilders said the .30 Carbine was sometimes inadiquate in stopping germans at close quaters, but never heard a soilder saying a .30-06 was insuffiecent at close range. Have you ever tried slowing putting your hand in water? it has far less resistance than you slapping or punching it with all your speed and energy. Same thing with the 06. It fragments and dumps ALL its energy into the target.
@LoneWolf051 In the late 30's the military wanted a substitute for the M1911 with longer range and better accuracy while keping the same stopping power the .45 had, the M1 Carbine was chosen because it met all the requirements, it was far more accurate than the .45, had twice the range of a .45, and kept the same potient stopping power out to 100 yards (the .45's maximum potiency was about 50 yards). The carbine was intended as a personal defence weapon for non combat troops and officers....
@LoneWolf051 Wrong, you obviously are a armchair expert. the myth of the knock down power of the .45acp clearly shows how little you know about balistics. the M1 carbine was for combat troops which could not slug around a full size rifle. like tankers paratroopers and combat engineers etc. They made the m1 carbine because the found the .45acp was inadiquate. For a side arm it was perfect but as your primary it lacked power. The M1 was designed to give them more knock down power than the .45
@LoneWolf051 The faster the projectile is going, the more resistance it is going to get when it hits a different medium. And since both of the rounds are .30" but the rifle cartridge has more velocity, it will dump more of its energy in a smaller space which means it has more stoping power.
@1ohtaf1 Though many troops liked its light weight, easy of use, and great power (out to 100 yards, ideal for close combat), it was issued to paratroopers, Ranges, and in regular infantry and marines, to officers and NCOs to give them better performance than a mere handgun, since it had better range, accuracy, ammo capacity, and had near identical damage of the .45 out to 100 yards instead of the M1911's 50 yards.
The Germans were also fond of it, and scavanged them whenever pssible.
@xlifeispointlessx Unfortunatly it wasnt, the Federov Assault rifle was everything the StG 44 was, it chambered an intermediate cartridge, fired in semi or full automatic, had a 25 round detachable box magazine, had 650 RPM, was easy to produce, and was reliable and very simple to maintain. Only difference was the Federov assault rifle was nearly 30 years older, and it pioneered everything an assualt rifle is classified as.
@LoneWolf051 Then i direct you to look at the BAR which was developed around the same time and had everything the federov had except for an intermediate cartridge. Did they call it an assault rifle? no they called it an automatic rifle. the federov is pretty much an assault rifle but is still classified as an automatic rifle. I direct you to look up this video on youtube. top ten combat rifles stg44.
@xlifeispointlessx I've seen that show a million times, and theres many inaccuracies with their weapon facts, the StG 44 gets all the glory because the Federov wasnt a big hit, and assault rifles were dropped and forgotten about in 1917, then 30 years later, the Germans revised the assault rifle concept and it did so well and was so well recognized that it completely overshadowed the Federov, and the StG incorrectly got the name "World's First Assualt Rifle" which is technically incorrect.
@xlifeispointlessx And the BAR was an Automatic Rifle because automatic rifles all fire full sized rifle rounds in an automatic fashon and is carried by one man, hence "Automatic RIFLE".
The Federov assault rifle was developed in Russia which (and still is0 a very secretive nation, even in 1917, the Federov wasnt well known to most people, even in Russia, it wasnt a common weapon, it was experimental, and was a success, but the concept of an assault rifle was frowned upon.
@xlifeispointlessx It wasnt until WWII did countries start seeing the assault rifle as a practical smallarm in which to arm soldiers, and in that time, the StG was invented and was seen as a hugely revolutionary concept and design, even though the assault rifle had already been born in Russia in 1916-17, and was a success as a weapon system, it wasnt popular because it wasnt traditional and the concept was abandoned and sort of forgotten about.
@xlifeispointlessx Rifles, Machine guns, and Automatic Rifles fire full sized rifle cartridges.
Assault rifles fire intermediate cartridges
Sidearms and submachine guns fire pistol cartridges.
The BAR isnt classified as an assault rifle because it doesnt fire an intermediate round, it fires the full size 30-06, making it, you guessed it, an "automatic rifle"
@LoneWolf051 You forget one thing the G3, FAL, and MK-17 (aka SCAR-H) all use a full rifle round which is 7.62 x51mm NATO and they are all classed as assault rifles. The thing is i never said the BAR was an assault rifle it is clearly not seeing as it came standard with a bipod and was made for sustained automatic fire. many firearms experts all agree that the STG44 is the fire TRUE assault rifle. there were many prototypes and experimental weapons but the first TRUE assault rifle is the STG44
@xlifeispointlessx No, those are all battle rifles, the SCAR H fires the 7.62x51mm, Its classified as a battle rifle by NATO.
The StG 44 was the BASIS for all MODERN era assault rifles, The StG revived the abandoned concept of the assault rifle, and refined it and formed the basis for all modern era assault rifles.
But saying the StG was the world's first assault rifle, is completely incorrect.
@xlifeispointlessx Nor is the StG the first "True" assault rifle, the Fedorov Avtomat has the same design functions and features. ie, Intermediate cartrige, operated by an individual, fully-semi automatic, 25 round detachable box magazine and had a range of 450 meters. It falls into what is classified as an assault rifle. Only it existed 3 decades before the Germans invented the StG, making the Fedorov Avtomat, THE first TRUE assault rifle to ever be adopted and be a success.
@Tux3d0 No, it was a 100% assault rifle, firing the intermediete 6.5x50mm Arisaka cartridge at 650 RPM from a 25 round detachable box magazine. It was the world's first assault rifle to ever be adopted by a military.
If it were a "battle rifle" at that time, it would've fired a full sized rifle cartridge and would've been bolt operated.
@Tux3d0 If you want to be ignorant, and live in denial, go right ahead, doesnt matter much to me. Facts are facts. The Fedorov fall into what today would be classified as an assualt rifle, and becuse it came out in 1916, makes it the FIRST assault rifle. You can deny it all you want, but you cant change historical facts.
@LoneWolf051 The StG formed the basis for all of today's modern assault rifles, aswell as revived the assault rifle concept and proved it was a practical and effective concept. However, that doesnt mean it was the FIRST practical assault rifle to ever come out.
@Tux3d0 Of course it isnt recognized as the first, because its been gone for 80 years and wasnt that big and well known when it DID exist, the StG has all the glory as the first, which is incorrect. It formed the basis for the modern assault rifle yes, but wasnt the first to ever exist, that's one of the great firearms misconceptions.
@jericoparazo hk 416 i don't now if its off the same patent but it is marketed as a short stroke rifle so is the smith aand wesson m&p 15. and one rockriver arms pistol and rifle. also the hk g36, sl8, and xm8. like i said i don't know if its the same patent but there are a lot of short stroke gas piston rifles out there
@TheRadar77 actually, its Garand. Simple basic A sound. No uh or ay, just a short a sound like you learn in kindergarten. the rand part is pronounced like the word brand. It is said like it is spelled. Some people will slur the ga to sound like guh, but that is dialect varation, not strict rule.
A long gun is never a good home defense weapon. Any expert will tell you that in close quarters, it can be grabbed away or get caught on corners, impeding your movement.
Why do some people talk so negatively about a great weapon like this? They call it things like a pop gun or a bb gun. I really like the m1 carbine and believe it has a place in home defense in the modern age.
@smokingnate1234, I think the M1 Carbine is a great rifle. It's perfectly lethal at close ranges. The M1 Carbine was never designed to replace the Garand, or shoot at long ranges.
The initials are carved into the wood. Really, if you have (5) M1 next to one another, they look identical, but except to the train eye. I think the solja put them there as a personal identification symbol, while operating in the battle theater. Its gratifying to know this soldier over 60 years ago left his signature on his hardware that he, all of us were depended on for survival. I wonder how many Nazi's or Imperial Jap soldier did he take out. I wish I could ask him. I would like to thank him
Interesting! I own 1941 M1 carbine with IBM marking on it. The initials G.B. are carve on the bottom of the short handle. Would like to do more research on my specific M1 carbine. Any ideas folks?
if the initians are "stamped" into the gun then that may be the inspectors initials, if there carved in then it was probably the person who owned it previously...
Fascinating story, but I'm just struck by the lunacy of prohibition (which continues in many forms). The deputy gets shot dead and this gifted man goes to prison because of a raid on an "illegal distillery".
Oh no! Someone is making alcohol without the state's permission! Absolutely idiotic, and yet it probably doesn't even register with most people watching this.
you need to study your history a little more. distilleries where legal back then and for many families this was a way of life. when congress made it illegal, it didn't leave these people with many choices. when congress figures out how to make money off alcohol by taxing it then prohibition is repealed and its now legal and regulated. check it out.
You apparently misunderstood my comment. I was saying that most people would not understand how many tragic circumstances such as this and the whole prohibition era were caused by the gov't.
It is STILL illegal to make alcohol. Therefore, it is still PROHIBITED. There are LAWS against it. Just try to make your own beer and start marketing it and you'll find out.
You still can make beer, you don't even have to be 21 (although you do to drink it, obviously). It just has to be under a certain amount(I think it varies state to state). It's called a microbrew. This is meant to be informative not argumentative.
Yes, I know. My point was about liberty. And now I see that I got two thumbs down for making such a point - and on a video about guns no less!
I guess the serfs love it now when they are told what they can do and when they can do it. They love to be ruled by the Bureau of ALCOHOL Tobacco Firearms and Explosives and a million other parasitic bureaucrats.
Apparently they don't understand that prohibition remains when you have to get a LICENSE to do what free men have always done by right.
I'd much prefer these "parsitic bureaucrats" than anarchy. Regulations are good there for your safety. If you think you aren't free move to China or almost any other country and see how you fare. It is human nature to seek protection and if to gain this, you have to give up some rights, then so be it. I'd rather not be able to make alcohol and be alive than to be dead with gallons of homemade alcohol.
Duz anyone know how much these go for...i been wanting one..
rubbindubbin4life 3 months ago
@rubbindubbin4life roughly 500-700 depending on where you look.
Grunt922 3 months ago
@rubbindubbin4life reproduction around 800 with para stock about 1100
cplR3yk1ng 2 months ago
very great weapon loved to of had one in the airborne or being apart of a motar team
Ben101JokerAshur86 6 months ago
m1 CARBINES SUCK ASS
Blahblobify 6 months ago
@Blahblobify Shut up, Call of Duty nerd.
SwaffyX 5 months ago 2
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@SwaffyX
What's Call Of Duty?
I'm 60 years old kid, I speak from experience.
Blahblobify 5 months ago
@Blahblobify Can you explain yourself,why does the M1 carbine suck?
dasdew2 4 months ago
@dasdew2
Overpriced, underpowered, inaccurate, and all of the civilian versions I saw in the 70's were cheap junk that jammed all the time......... And THAT was when you could buy them used for 50 bucks, now the little suckers are ridiculously expensive. What, are they better now?
Even if they are, the 30 M1 carbine round is a miserable little wet fart of a cartridge, not fit for much of anything but varmints at close range.
Blahblobify 4 months ago
@Blahblobify Military standerd issue,nothing but the best (more like nothing but the cheapest)
dasdew2 4 months ago
@dasdew2
Actually the GI versions were OK as far as reliability, but the Inland, Universal, etc that I saw just sucked ass.
Even if you get a reliable one, the cartidge is not fit for anything but rabbits or squirrels and they are not accurate enough for that.
I will grant that they are fun plinkers and at close range they make are a light handy alley sweeper.
But at $700+ nowadays you can get a LOT better rifle for the money and in a real cartridge.
Blahblobify 4 months ago
@Blahblobify from what i hear they're is a kit to make the m1 fully automatic(yes it is illegule and people don relise it till the feds knock on the door) I would rather buy a AK-47 for $370,mosin nagant $100,rem 870 $300,colt python $400( expensive for a revolver but worth it ),the list would go on but 500 word limit
take care,nice talking to you.
dasdew2 4 months ago
@Blahblobify Inaccurate? I hit a man sized target up to 200 yards with one. Underpowered. Arguebally yes. Overpriced? They're historical firearms. Yes, I've had Carbines jam before, but I have had a Garand jam on me once too. Gelatin tests say otherwise. When it comes down to it, even 30/06 ball ammo won't be tons more lethal then .30 carbine. They are both non expending .30 caliber cartridges. While the 30/06 penetrates slightly more.
esh325 4 months ago
@esh325
Dude the M1 carbine might do 3 MOA on a good day at 100 yards in my book that's innaccurate.
Yes the GI versions were very reliable. The crap civilian versions I've handled were all jam-o-matics.
And I can't het past that crummy little 110 grain pistol bullet that might hit 1900 fps at the muzzle and is slightly more powerful than a .380 ACP at 250 yards.
That's a crap round for a rifle.
Blahblobify 4 months ago
@Blahblobify But you fired a crummy civilian version. Maybe the barrel was bad on them. The .30 carbine will probably hit harder then a 5.56x45 will at 250 yards. The 5.56x45 is very unlikely to yaw or fragment at that distance.
esh325 4 months ago
@esh325
Sorry, you are mistaken. At 250 yards the 30 carbine's 110 grain bullet might be doing 1100 fps , just a bit more powerful than a .380.
Blahblobify 3 months ago
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@esh325
Dude the M1 carbine might do 3 MOA on a good day at 100 yards in my book that's innaccurate.
Yes the GI versions were very reliable. The crap civilian versions I've handled were all jam-o-matics.
And I can't het past that crummy little 110 grain pistol bullet that might hit 1900 fps at the muzzle and is slightly more powerful than a .380 ACP at 250 yards.
That's a crap round for a rifle.
Blahblobify 4 months ago
@Blahblobify Alright, sorry. [I'm 19.]
Since you are experienced, what "sucks ass" about it?
SwaffyX 4 months ago
before the History channel became pussiefied
capnhands 7 months ago in playlist guns
The Carbine actually had more stopping power than the Garand. Not as much range though.
PoppingSanta 7 months ago
@PoppingSanta Well the human body can only take so much hydrostatic shock, the 30-06 will kill instantly in a single head, torso, or abdoman hit, so will the .30Carbine, it has far more than enough energy to shut down the human body from shock, plus it frequently expands inside and stops, unlike the neater narrower channel caused by the 30-06, nevertheless, both round kill instantly, just the 30-06 kills at all ranges, short, medium, and long, Carbine only really kills instantly out to 100 yards
LoneWolf051 7 months ago
@LoneWolf051
Okay, this is the situation. You're a genius when it comes to stuff like this, I'm not a genius when it comes to stuff like this. I just based my statement on a documentary about the French Foreign Legion and in that documentary they explained why the Legion choose to use adopt the M1 Carbine even though the M1 Garand was avaliable (?). Have a good one! :)
PoppingSanta 7 months ago
@PoppingSanta Thats right, because the Carbine had a larger ammo capacity, M-2 had a 30 round magaine with full auto capability, it was much lighter, easier to carry, lighter recoil, and the jungle conditions they were fighting in Southeast Asia, the combat was usually at close range, which is why the Carbine was fond to be more versitile than a full size battle rifle like the M-1, and was used more frequently.
LoneWolf051 7 months ago
@LoneWolf051 The 30/06 isn't a lot more lethal if we are talking about ball ammo. They are both leaving .30 caliber holes, no expansion in ball ammo. If we are talking about hollow points or soft points, then a 30/06 is hands down better, but soldiers had no access to this type of ammo in war.
esh325 7 months ago
@LoneWolf051 I can assure a .30 carbine kill you as good as dead beyond 100.
esh325 7 months ago
@esh325 100-150 yards, beyond that and it looses a ton of its energy. Still lethal, about as much as a .40 S&W
LoneWolf051 7 months ago
@PoppingSanta i believe to a distance, sure they have the same stopping power, but id take a 30 carbine instead of a 30.06 anydayy
crimson1667 7 months ago
my great uncle was carbine williams. i could tell you all about him. im very proud
CobbSC100 7 months ago 2
2:19... thats one hell of a bullet
nitromehane189 10 months ago 41
carbine, not car-"bean!"
Sk8onURown 11 months ago
keep pressing 6 for an epic display of M1 firepower...and lighter then ever before
jsmallwood2007 11 months ago
give me a m1 grand any time
legostarwarscustoms1 1 year ago
@legostarwarscustoms1 I'd prefer the Carbine at close range, since it does more physical damage than the 30-06 with its weak, blunt tip expanding round, I've taken down a 300 pound deer at 70 yards in a single body hit with my Carbine. The internal wound cavity on that deer was about the size of a basketball, the damage of the 30-06 is about the size of a baseball, and went straight through the deer, without expending much energy inside it, due to its high velocity, pointed bullet.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 While the Federov falls into the category of assault rifles and you could say it was the first "true" assault rifle, the term assault rifle was coined by Hitler. So technically the STG would be the first "assault rifle."
THEKINGOFMETROPOLIS 11 months ago
@THEKINGOFMETROPOLIS The StG was the first weapon to be CALLED an assult rifle, but the Federov still falls into the assault rifle catagory, and since it was there before every other assault rifle, that make it the world's first practical assault rifle
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@legostarwarscustoms1 its m1 garand not grand
ImaHuntingFreak 11 months ago
@ImaHuntingFreak ok cool
legostarwarscustoms1 11 months ago
5 where shot by the M1 carbine
FreestylaBoy 1 year ago
this is such a great story, a guy just trying to make a buck gets harrassed by a scumbag Fed Agent over a retarded law no one supported, manages to shoot one, gets sent to jail, makes a gun that saves the lives of thousands of other simple men like him which he sells to the same worthless Federal Government that tried to lock him away, and retires a millionare.
DaytonaRoadster 1 year ago 3
what kind of round does the m1 carbine shoot?
sodaandjuice123 1 year ago
@sodaandjuice123 .30 Carbine. A very nice short-medium range blunt nosed low-velocity bullet, very effective for deer hunting, or home defense.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
A lot of people understimate the M1 Carbine. Today I was able to hit a man sized target 200 yards away with pretty good accuracy.
esh325 1 year ago 2
i sure want a m1 carbine to go wit my garand :)
Vertigo645 1 year ago
@Vertigo645 I just now got an M1 Garand to go with my 1911. Slow down!
CrystalHunter1989 1 year ago
Actually M1 carbine has more stopping power than the .306 springfield ammo in close range, the test in the video 'the french foreign legion weaponology' part 4 or 5 shows that.
FeelFree3 1 year ago
@FeelFree3 Yeah,but the small bullet isnt going to go as far as the garands round. The carbine has a lot more stopping power though like you said.
kingmanted 1 year ago
@FeelFree3 Well, same stopping power, just the 30-06 has much better range, accuracy, and penetration, but the .30 Carbine does much more gruesome damage at close range from its low velocity, blunt tip round.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 Where the hell did you get your into, the .30-06 has far more energy and stopping power at any range compared to the .30 carbine. shooting at such a close range with a .30-06 will definatly cause fragmentation and huge hydrostatic shock.
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 It comes from my 18+ years first hand experience with both rounds and weapons. Theres vidoes all over proving it aswell, look at "Weaponology:French Foriegn Legion part 4" starting at 6:10.
Experience doesnt lie, the Carbine makes larger internal wounds than the 30-06 at close range.
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 Im sure you had 18 years of weapon experiance... Looking as how you think watching youtube videos and going on wikipedia counts as "weapon experiance" i am finding it hard to take you seriously. the .30-06 will fragment and dump all its energy into human body creating a wound not matched by the .30 carbine. with your logic the .45 Auto Colt will have even MORE stopping power than both the .30-06 and .30 Carbine
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 I own both an M1 Garand, and an M1 Carbine, and have been shooting them for years, both hunting, competitions, and ballistics demonstrations. Theres plenty of video proof out there if you dont believe me.
Both the 30-06, .30 Carbine, and .45 ACP kill in 1 hit at their intended range, the .45 kills instantly out to 50 yards, the .30carbine kills in one hit out to 100 yards, and the 30-06 kills in a single hit out to 700 yards.
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 You clearly have been going around in forums to much, "oh the .45 ACP will kill someone INSTATLY all the way out at 50 yrds" Many people have got shot by a .45ACP and survived the whole if you get hit the the foot by it, it will kill you instatly is frankly BS.
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 If you got hit in the foot with a .45 you're foot would likely need to be amputated or at the very least, need immediete medical attention, and you'd have a very bad day. But no, I dont think any small arm cartridge hitting you in the foot would kill you, the only way you'd die is by bleeding out.
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 The .30carbine has the same stopping power as the .45, its longer and a little sleeker because its designed to have better range and accuracy, ballistics tests btween the two at 50 yards showed they had almost identical wond cavities, at 100 yards, the Carbine kept the same size cavity, the .45 had noticebly less damage. Thats why the .30 Carbine was developed with the M1 Carbine, to keep the knock down power of a .45, only give it more range and accuracy.
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 That just proves that you are an idiot. I never heard of such BS, a military force wanting to give their soldiers primary long arm "as much knock down power" as their side arm??? You are an complete idiot. .45 has around 414 ft lbf of energy, the .30 Carbine has around 917 ft lbf and the .30-06 has 2820 ft lbf so with your logic that since te .30 carbine was more powerful than the .30-06 because it was "blunt" the .45 should be even more powerful than it... You are an idiot.
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 Remember, "power" and "stopping power" are completely different, the 30-06 has vastly more power than a mere pistol-size .30Carbine, however, the 30-06 doesnt expend all its energy inside the target, like te carbinedoes, the carbine is intentionally less powerful, because itss designed to stop inside the target and expand all is energy in a 6 inch penetration channel that 917 ftlb of energy is exended inside of. The 30-06 passes right through the target, only expending about 600 ftlb...
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 The only reason the .30 carbine does not go through is because it does not have the power to do so. Both of these rounds have the same diameter. Since the .30-06 is heavier and going much faster, it fragments, explosively almost inside the target, dumping all its energy into the target. And all of the .30-06 energy is more than the .30 carbine.
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 Thats why the exit wound of a 30-06 is about the size of a baseball, thats what 800 ftlb of energy does. However, at more than 100 yards, the carbine's power deminishes dramatically, at 300 yards it only does as muc damage as a 9mm, and at 300 yards, as much damage as a .22 LR, while the 30-06 keeps its massive energy out to 700-800 yards. Thats why the Carbine was useful in limited situations because its power to range ratio was limited, afterall it was intended as a sidearm substitute
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 As the video I referred you to showed, the .30 carbine does much more internal damage at close range than the 30-06. The 30-06 is pointed and high velocity, and has much more power than the carbine it typically passes right through the target (killing instantly of course) and doesnt expend too much energy, thats the main reason why the military replaced it and the 7.62x51 with the 5.56x45mm, because they were too much overkill/overpenetration.
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 Out past 100 yards however, the Carbine wont likely kill instantly, so its usefuless is within the 100 yard range. The massive 30-06 (producing a neater bullet channel) will kill at any range, from 0-1000 yards (with the use of a scope) the 30-06 is of course the overall better round, since its far more versitile and has nearly 6 times the range of a carbine. yes the Carbine does more gruesome internal wound damage under 100 yards than a 30-06 does, but the 30-06 kills at ALL ranges
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 In fact, at a glance, the damage to a human body (from the outside) doesnt look all that bad, you'd only see a penny-sized entry wound, since the bullet is blunt tipped and is of weak power (penetration), and no exit wound (if the victim was hit in the torso or abdomen), a 30-06 of course will pass in one side and out th other, with a large baseball size exit wound, however, if you were to x ray thr carbine victim, you'd see massive expansion damage amost 12 inches in diameter....
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 Thats a lie, fragments could travel 6" up or down but the wound channel would not be that diameter. the .30-06 created multiple wound channels that suppassed the .30 carbine.
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 The proof is all in the video, watch it.
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 The proof is in physics. A heavier faster projectile has more energy than a smaller slower one. And a faster projectile has more resistance when entering another medium than a slower one.
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 And no, I do these tests in ballistics gel and clay myself, this is based off my experience.
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 Just words no proof or even logic. I already debunked your claim with physics.
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 You forgot the bullet shape, weight, and velocity, a high velocity, heavy, pointed round like the 30-06, means it will penetrate straight through and keep going, a low power blunt tip round wont penetrate through, but flatten out, and expand all its energy in the target..... Watch the video, It proves my point perfectly.
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 You clearly didnt read what i typed, i covered that. The fact that you said a slow round will meet more resistance than a fast one proves you know nothing about physics. the .30-06 will not only expand but explode and dump ALL its energy into the target.
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 That depends on the thickness of the target, a human torso wont cause it to explode if it exploded and expended ALL its energy in the target, then there would be no exit wounds. The most that'd happen on a human target would be a slight deviation in its trajectory, maybe come out sideways, its happened with deer I've hunted.
However a lightweight, small frame high velocity round like a 5.56mm will explode and fragment, since its so light, pointed, and moving so fast.
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 Wrong, again. the reason the .30 carbine had a bunt nose was because it did not have the velocity to fragment reliably. the .30-06 however did. You seem to be under the impression that only .22" projectiles fragment and explode. however a larger 30" projectile will also fragment and explode producing more hydrostatic shock.
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 To make a round the size and weight of a 30-06 eplode in a human size target, it'd need to be moving considerably faster than 2800 FPS, more like 3500FPS the 5.56mm travels at around 3200 FPS, and that doesnt ALWAYS tumble and fragment, which is why troops use a follow up shot, or burst. Since the 30-06 is so heavy it will need alot more velocity to be able to tumble and explode inside a target like a human. Maybe it would in a 2 foot-thick gel block, but rarely in a human size target.
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 Incorrect again. The heavier and larger size of the projectile created more resistance and therefore was more prone to fragmenting.
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 Sure it CAN fragment, but most times it simply tumbled on it's side and exited. It needs to have a higher velocity than the usual 2800 FPS, at that velocity it passes through both front and back, and the most that happens is 1 tumble. Modern 30-06 ammo can have much higher velocity, and will fragment, but not military loadouts of 70 years ago. And what idiot ever said a .45 will kill you if it shot you in the foot?
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 You did. Furthermore the M2 ball has a much higher chance of fragmenting than the .30 carbine. You are sooo stupid, claiming the .30-06 2800FPS was to slow to fragment but the .30 carbine velocity about 1000FPS slower always did...
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 Dont remember saying that. And I said the .30carbine doesnt fragment, it expands/flatten out, the 30-06 doesnt, it either tumbles, or typically goes striaght through, internally, at close range, the carbine does more physical damage. That's what I was originally saying, I gave you video proof of it, and you refused it.
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 You dont remember alot of things. I did not refuse anything, i just pointed out obvious logic and the laws of physics which your magic .30 Carbine cartridge can somehow defy.
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 I said it'd kill you in 1 hit, ie. head, torso, or abdomen. Obviously you did refuse, since if you watched that video, you'd see the larger damage cavity the Carbine made than the 30-06 at close range. Which is my whole point here.
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 The only thing i refused were lies.
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 ...and the video proof.
LoneWolf051 10 months ago 10
@1ohtaf1 I don't believe either the M1 Carbine or 30/06 were prone to fragmenting when using FMJ, but tumbling rather.
esh325 8 months ago
@esh325 The fact that he said a .30 carbine has more energy and transfers more energy into the target than a .30-06 is false.
1ohtaf1 8 months ago
@1ohtaf1 Yes, that is false.
esh325 8 months ago
@esh325 Unless that target happens to be a human body, in which the 30-06 usually passes straight through, and keeps on going, a 30-06 passing through a human only expends about 1/3 of its total energy, before it exits. Thats why if you shot a human target the bullet would pass through it, and still have enough energy to penetrate into a cinder block. Which is why it was deemed "overkill" and replaced by smaller rounds like the 5.56 which, (like the Carbine) expend all its energy within.
LoneWolf051 8 months ago
@LoneWolf051 While if you were to x-ray the 30-06 victim, the wound damage, while very big, is much more narrow, and straight through getting gradually larger in diameter because of the energy being expended until it leaves the other side of the body, by that time the wound channel has opened up from a penny-sized hole, to a hole about 4 inches in diameter (baseball size). Now the 30-06 will always have this damage at any range, the Carbine (past 100 yards) will do far less damage than the 30-06
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 Many soilders said the .30 Carbine was sometimes inadiquate in stopping germans at close quaters, but never heard a soilder saying a .30-06 was insuffiecent at close range. Have you ever tried slowing putting your hand in water? it has far less resistance than you slapping or punching it with all your speed and energy. Same thing with the 06. It fragments and dumps ALL its energy into the target.
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 In the late 30's the military wanted a substitute for the M1911 with longer range and better accuracy while keping the same stopping power the .45 had, the M1 Carbine was chosen because it met all the requirements, it was far more accurate than the .45, had twice the range of a .45, and kept the same potient stopping power out to 100 yards (the .45's maximum potiency was about 50 yards). The carbine was intended as a personal defence weapon for non combat troops and officers....
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 Wrong, you obviously are a armchair expert. the myth of the knock down power of the .45acp clearly shows how little you know about balistics. the M1 carbine was for combat troops which could not slug around a full size rifle. like tankers paratroopers and combat engineers etc. They made the m1 carbine because the found the .45acp was inadiquate. For a side arm it was perfect but as your primary it lacked power. The M1 was designed to give them more knock down power than the .45
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@LoneWolf051 The faster the projectile is going, the more resistance it is going to get when it hits a different medium. And since both of the rounds are .30" but the rifle cartridge has more velocity, it will dump more of its energy in a smaller space which means it has more stoping power.
1ohtaf1 10 months ago
@1ohtaf1 Though many troops liked its light weight, easy of use, and great power (out to 100 yards, ideal for close combat), it was issued to paratroopers, Ranges, and in regular infantry and marines, to officers and NCOs to give them better performance than a mere handgun, since it had better range, accuracy, ammo capacity, and had near identical damage of the .45 out to 100 yards instead of the M1911's 50 yards.
The Germans were also fond of it, and scavanged them whenever pssible.
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
Thank you "Carbine" Williams for your great contributions to your country. 6 million M1 carbines in less than 5 years.....there's a lesson there.
ChopperCrank 1 year ago 2
WWWOOO North Carolina!
BlackLabsproductions 1 year ago 2
Thank you for this.. My grandpa was Marsh's cousin and I'm trying to find all the media I can for my mother and the rest of the family. Awesome.
rdhtemt 1 year ago
woot!!!! m1 carbine was invented in north carolina :DD
dillonforemanm4a1 1 year ago 2
Uh no the Russians did not. You can claim it is but the first TRUE assault rifle was the sturmgewehr 44 made by the Germans.
xlifeispointlessx 1 year ago
@xlifeispointlessx Unfortunatly it wasnt, the Federov Assault rifle was everything the StG 44 was, it chambered an intermediate cartridge, fired in semi or full automatic, had a 25 round detachable box magazine, had 650 RPM, was easy to produce, and was reliable and very simple to maintain. Only difference was the Federov assault rifle was nearly 30 years older, and it pioneered everything an assualt rifle is classified as.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
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xlifeispointlessx 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 Then i direct you to look at the BAR which was developed around the same time and had everything the federov had except for an intermediate cartridge. Did they call it an assault rifle? no they called it an automatic rifle. the federov is pretty much an assault rifle but is still classified as an automatic rifle. I direct you to look up this video on youtube. top ten combat rifles stg44.
xlifeispointlessx 1 year ago
@xlifeispointlessx I've seen that show a million times, and theres many inaccuracies with their weapon facts, the StG 44 gets all the glory because the Federov wasnt a big hit, and assault rifles were dropped and forgotten about in 1917, then 30 years later, the Germans revised the assault rifle concept and it did so well and was so well recognized that it completely overshadowed the Federov, and the StG incorrectly got the name "World's First Assualt Rifle" which is technically incorrect.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@xlifeispointlessx And the BAR was an Automatic Rifle because automatic rifles all fire full sized rifle rounds in an automatic fashon and is carried by one man, hence "Automatic RIFLE".
The Federov assault rifle was developed in Russia which (and still is0 a very secretive nation, even in 1917, the Federov wasnt well known to most people, even in Russia, it wasnt a common weapon, it was experimental, and was a success, but the concept of an assault rifle was frowned upon.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@xlifeispointlessx It wasnt until WWII did countries start seeing the assault rifle as a practical smallarm in which to arm soldiers, and in that time, the StG was invented and was seen as a hugely revolutionary concept and design, even though the assault rifle had already been born in Russia in 1916-17, and was a success as a weapon system, it wasnt popular because it wasnt traditional and the concept was abandoned and sort of forgotten about.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@xlifeispointlessx Rifles, Machine guns, and Automatic Rifles fire full sized rifle cartridges.
Assault rifles fire intermediate cartridges
Sidearms and submachine guns fire pistol cartridges.
The BAR isnt classified as an assault rifle because it doesnt fire an intermediate round, it fires the full size 30-06, making it, you guessed it, an "automatic rifle"
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 You forget one thing the G3, FAL, and MK-17 (aka SCAR-H) all use a full rifle round which is 7.62 x51mm NATO and they are all classed as assault rifles. The thing is i never said the BAR was an assault rifle it is clearly not seeing as it came standard with a bipod and was made for sustained automatic fire. many firearms experts all agree that the STG44 is the fire TRUE assault rifle. there were many prototypes and experimental weapons but the first TRUE assault rifle is the STG44
xlifeispointlessx 1 year ago
@xlifeispointlessx No, those are all battle rifles, the SCAR H fires the 7.62x51mm, Its classified as a battle rifle by NATO.
The StG 44 was the BASIS for all MODERN era assault rifles, The StG revived the abandoned concept of the assault rifle, and refined it and formed the basis for all modern era assault rifles.
But saying the StG was the world's first assault rifle, is completely incorrect.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@xlifeispointlessx Nor is the StG the first "True" assault rifle, the Fedorov Avtomat has the same design functions and features. ie, Intermediate cartrige, operated by an individual, fully-semi automatic, 25 round detachable box magazine and had a range of 450 meters. It falls into what is classified as an assault rifle. Only it existed 3 decades before the Germans invented the StG, making the Fedorov Avtomat, THE first TRUE assault rifle to ever be adopted and be a success.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
David "Carbine" Williams was the man!
If the US army had put a larger magazine on it and used hollow point ammo they would have had perhaps the worlds FIRST true Assault Rifle
generalzod4life 1 year ago
@generalzod4life Actually the Russians invented the first assualt rifle in 1916, the Federov Avtomat Assault rifle.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 It was a Battle rifle not an assault rife...
Tux3d0 1 year ago
@Tux3d0 No, it was a 100% assault rifle, firing the intermediete 6.5x50mm Arisaka cartridge at 650 RPM from a 25 round detachable box magazine. It was the world's first assault rifle to ever be adopted by a military.
If it were a "battle rifle" at that time, it would've fired a full sized rifle cartridge and would've been bolt operated.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 Bull shit it was an automatic rifle... It was a predocessor of the Assault rifle...
Tux3d0 1 year ago
@Tux3d0 Automatic rifles fire full sized rifle cartridges (BAR, Bren gun ect), assault rifles fire intermediete rounds, (StG 44, Federov, AK-47)
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 Stop arguing with PEOPLE!!! the Federov was not the first assault rifle!!!!
Tux3d0 1 year ago
@Tux3d0 If you want to be ignorant, and live in denial, go right ahead, doesnt matter much to me. Facts are facts. The Fedorov fall into what today would be classified as an assualt rifle, and becuse it came out in 1916, makes it the FIRST assault rifle. You can deny it all you want, but you cant change historical facts.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 The StG formed the basis for all of today's modern assault rifles, aswell as revived the assault rifle concept and proved it was a practical and effective concept. However, that doesnt mean it was the FIRST practical assault rifle to ever come out.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 Im not being ignorant and screw you it isn't recognized as the first assault rifle! RAWR lmao
Tux3d0 1 year ago
@Tux3d0 Of course it isnt recognized as the first, because its been gone for 80 years and wasnt that big and well known when it DID exist, the StG has all the glory as the first, which is incorrect. It formed the basis for the modern assault rifle yes, but wasnt the first to ever exist, that's one of the great firearms misconceptions.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
What an extraordinary story.
Thank you for posting.
354sd 1 year ago
at 0:21 when he rack the action on the shotgun to shoot he ejected a shell! hahahahahahah! wasting good amunition1
aerodynamicband 1 year ago
@jericoparazo hk 416 i don't now if its off the same patent but it is marketed as a short stroke rifle so is the smith aand wesson m&p 15. and one rockriver arms pistol and rifle. also the hk g36, sl8, and xm8. like i said i don't know if its the same patent but there are a lot of short stroke gas piston rifles out there
aerodynamicband 1 year ago
i flagged. haha
xpertgamer10 1 year ago
@xpertgamer10
Fuck you.
Zvesda 1 year ago
The m1 carbine was first designed to replace the colt m1911
acdcgnr100 1 year ago
That's pretty cool, good story.
NISMODRIFTER481 1 year ago
Was Garand's name pronounced GAYRAND or GUHRAND? He's a hero of mine so I don't want to say it wrong.
TheRadar77 1 year ago
@TheRadar77 actually, its Garand. Simple basic A sound. No uh or ay, just a short a sound like you learn in kindergarten. the rand part is pronounced like the word brand. It is said like it is spelled. Some people will slur the ga to sound like guh, but that is dialect varation, not strict rule.
Stritchers 1 year ago
man that guy is awesome
henrique165 1 year ago
and i know some people may not beleive me but im telling the truth...
noahsw98 1 year ago
carbine is my uncles cousin:) just learned about him from my uncle and dad a couple days ago:)
noahsw98 1 year ago
The M1 carbine is a perfect home defense weapon; light and compact, yet can pack a punch at close range.
carl7ritchie 1 year ago
@carl7ritchie
A long gun is never a good home defense weapon. Any expert will tell you that in close quarters, it can be grabbed away or get caught on corners, impeding your movement.
A pistol is always better.
tattat44 1 year ago
@tattat44 nah i tjink mosin nagants are cheap and awesome for home protection!
loofens 1 year ago
@loofens Maybe if you have a large open yard or something, but definatley not for CQ.
tattat44 1 year ago
@tattat44 no for that you need pp 2000 and mp7 like 20 cm guns with 900 rpm firepower lol
loofens 1 year ago
@loofens
Yes, I can see a PDW serving in that role, but nothing bigger. You want a castle, not a deathtrap.
tattat44 1 year ago
@tattat44 i thought you were talking about zombies for a minute there lol
loofens 1 year ago
@carl7ritchie Which is why I have one right under my bed with the magazine laying right next to it for easy loading should the time come.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
This is before the history channel became a gayer version of TNN
capnhands 1 year ago
carbean?
rippinreffers 1 year ago
i say car-bye-n
carl7ritchie 1 year ago
@carl7ritchie yah me too ;]
rippinreffers 1 year ago
Why do some people talk so negatively about a great weapon like this? They call it things like a pop gun or a bb gun. I really like the m1 carbine and believe it has a place in home defense in the modern age.
smokingnate1234 1 year ago 2
@smokingnate1234, I think the M1 Carbine is a great rifle. It's perfectly lethal at close ranges. The M1 Carbine was never designed to replace the Garand, or shoot at long ranges.
esh325 1 year ago
I have not heard the story before! but I have used Erma 22lr. smaller weapon than the original. I had no scope on it! great
lisperiini 1 year ago
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I have not heard the story before! but I have used Erma 22lr. smaller weapon than the original. I had no scope on it! great
lisperiini 1 year ago
I have not heard the story before! but I have used Erma 22lr. smaller weapon than the original. I had no scope on it! great
lisperiini 1 year ago
The M1 carbine still lives on in a variety of guns, such as the Mini 14.
UCSPanther20 1 year ago
how come these ppl alaway have horrible chicken wings when firing? in those old vids from ww2 the dudes presenting the guns had them 2
miked1997 1 year ago
The initials are carved into the wood. Really, if you have (5) M1 next to one another, they look identical, but except to the train eye. I think the solja put them there as a personal identification symbol, while operating in the battle theater. Its gratifying to know this soldier over 60 years ago left his signature on his hardware that he, all of us were depended on for survival. I wonder how many Nazi's or Imperial Jap soldier did he take out. I wish I could ask him. I would like to thank him
Xcaret916 1 year ago
hey im looking to get a m1 carbine for around $400 anyone know where i can? please message me if you do...thanks
elvemage00 1 year ago
Thats pretty remarkable inventing a gas operated semi-auto in prison.
If he can do that, then what amazing crap can i do?
bobdole57 2 years ago 4
Mr. Williams had a very interesting life.
shackazolla5 2 years ago 30
Interesting! I own 1941 M1 carbine with IBM marking on it. The initials G.B. are carve on the bottom of the short handle. Would like to do more research on my specific M1 carbine. Any ideas folks?
Xcaret916 2 years ago
if the initians are "stamped" into the gun then that may be the inspectors initials, if there carved in then it was probably the person who owned it previously...
elvemage00 1 year ago
I know i love my M1 Carbine great for Groundhogs
MrTeddybear420 2 years ago 4
That and nothing bigger than a coyote. I want one they are cool.
ufloetz 2 years ago
I'm surprised to see a historic link between my Remington 550-1 and my M1 Carbine.
Scioneer 2 years ago 3
LOL at the editing done between scene 2:18 to scene 2:22. I never new that the M1 carbine was such a powerfull rifle.
22250rmntn 2 years ago 66
Extreme lol there!
Orbiter144 2 years ago 5
I know...I didnt know this gun could sink a ship
gamerkid1177 2 years ago 10
If the ship was made of balsa wood.
ufloetz 2 years ago
Damn, where can I get a M1 Carbine like that. Ah, forget it. Anything that cool would be illegal in California anyway.
amaya1000rr 2 years ago 3
@22250rmntn xD
savingprivateJavi 1 year ago
@22250rmntn he also invented the explosive bullet. Powerful enough to blow up a tank yet light enough to carry a magazine of them in your pocket
USMCbulletproof 1 year ago
@22250rmntn LOL xD good one
TheCGIMaster 1 year ago
Fascinating story, but I'm just struck by the lunacy of prohibition (which continues in many forms). The deputy gets shot dead and this gifted man goes to prison because of a raid on an "illegal distillery".
Oh no! Someone is making alcohol without the state's permission! Absolutely idiotic, and yet it probably doesn't even register with most people watching this.
MillionthUsername 2 years ago
you need to study your history a little more. distilleries where legal back then and for many families this was a way of life. when congress made it illegal, it didn't leave these people with many choices. when congress figures out how to make money off alcohol by taxing it then prohibition is repealed and its now legal and regulated. check it out.
rayray5340 2 years ago
@rayray5340
You apparently misunderstood my comment. I was saying that most people would not understand how many tragic circumstances such as this and the whole prohibition era were caused by the gov't.
It is STILL illegal to make alcohol. Therefore, it is still PROHIBITED. There are LAWS against it. Just try to make your own beer and start marketing it and you'll find out.
What do mean that I need to study history?
Maybe you should study grammar.
MillionthUsername 2 years ago
unbelievable
rayray5340 2 years ago
@rayray5340
What's unbelievable?
MillionthUsername 2 years ago
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12817050 1 year ago
@MillionthUsername
You still can make beer, you don't even have to be 21 (although you do to drink it, obviously). It just has to be under a certain amount(I think it varies state to state). It's called a microbrew. This is meant to be informative not argumentative.
12817050 1 year ago
Yes, I know. My point was about liberty. And now I see that I got two thumbs down for making such a point - and on a video about guns no less!
I guess the serfs love it now when they are told what they can do and when they can do it. They love to be ruled by the Bureau of ALCOHOL Tobacco Firearms and Explosives and a million other parasitic bureaucrats.
Apparently they don't understand that prohibition remains when you have to get a LICENSE to do what free men have always done by right.
MillionthUsername 1 year ago
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@MillionthUsername
I'd much prefer these "parsitic bureaucrats" than anarchy. Regulations are good there for your safety. If you think you aren't free move to China or almost any other country and see how you fare. It is human nature to seek protection and if to gain this, you have to give up some rights, then so be it. I'd rather not be able to make alcohol and be alive than to be dead with gallons of homemade alcohol.
12817050 1 year ago