The "Atheist Experience," A Critique of Pure Nonsense

[ChienStrap1H]

Also, merely saying "rational value is one that is attached to objective reality, and an irrational value is one that is divorce from objective reality" is not that helpful. Their point is that matters of value, because there is that element of originating from our minds, have an epistemic problem. Namely, how do we know when it is rational or "attached to reality"?

[ChienStrap1H]

I understand that you're trying to make a point with this video, but seriously... you're misrepresenting what Russell is saying and making ad hominem attacks saying stuff like they're trolling Wikipedia. If you aren't interested in giving a rational argument against their position, then that's one thing. But you're obviously representing yourself as someone who is arguing reasonably, and as such ought to know better than to resort to those tactics.

[rextrek]

You guys are a Threat to the Right Wing Fake Christians / GOP........you Think!

[TeresaSummerlee]

@rextrek Yes!

[TeresaSummerlee]

Comment Crack from radoa1:

"@TeresaSummerlee the neo- liberial ideology of ayn rand have brought capitalism to its knees to the point of implosion. How that for reality. Thanks Ayn"

Uh huh. And up is down, black is white, freedom is slavery, and crime is production. You have no idea how morally unarmed you are.

[tapesquare]

Well stated, Miss, well stated. You clearly articulated my objections to some of the things stated on AE. It is pleasing to hear your logic. I thank you.

[TeresaSummerlee]

@MrGolfinDolphin They should be thanking me for saving them the embarrassment. Incredibly, most really feel entitled to publicly displaying their intellectual masturbation. But, what can I expect from viewers of a program (accomplished through the mooched airtime of a profit making entity) where the hosts dwell on "what isn't," but not on "what is." Values are subjective? Nazis would certainly agree, as would every serial killer who ever existed.

[TeresaSummerlee]

@TeresaSummerlee No doubt they see it as a perfectly legitimate pastime, seeing how the gubment made it legal to mooch from their cable company, and all.

[Trampadoo]

And of course you diabled ratings and even comments on part two...

[TeresaSummerlee]

@Trampadoo No need to thank me for saving you from the embarrassment of publicly displaying your ignorance.

[Trampadoo]

@TeresaSummerlee:

Unfortunately the only thing you are showcasing here is your cowardice, self-righteousness and disregard for freedom of speech. ^_^ I see you are in good company of other cowards like ShockofGod. For some odd reason the vast majority of atheists have no problem allowing ratings and unmonitored comments on their videos.

[TeresaSummerlee]

@Trampadoo I wouldn't expect someone with poor English skills, and an equally weak grasp of free speech principles to understand this, but you are not being oppressed by my superior filtering sense.

[Trampadoo]

@TeresaSummerlee:

My grasp of free speech principles is excellent, unlike yours, who seems to think free speech equals speaking her OWN mind and then disabling any reaction and consequences. XD It's an American thing. People want to sprout any crap imaginable but are not willing to deal with criticism and rating. Which is kind of ironic considering your video. What a hyporcite your are.

I am not even going to scroop so low as to comment on your semi-racist comment. :)

[TeresaSummerlee]

@Trampadoo A little cheese with that whine? As if I owe you anything. My channel. My say. Get over it. If you're so desperate to drop your ideological pants in public, do the work and make your own videos. Glasser must be quite proud to have so many relativist dolts as fans. What a sparkling confirmation of his vapid, vacuously vacant moral premises. Hell, he might even subscribe! But, I have a hunch even he wouldn't consider your unknown, and irrelevant "race" as a virtue.

[Trampadoo]

@TeresaSummerlee:

I like how you assume that I agree with Glasser even though I merely pointed out your utter hypocracy, cowardice and disregard for freedom of speech. :)

I also like how you called me ignorant for no reason whatsoever and at the same time behave like an immature brat and whine about imperfect English skills even though most Americans can barely master their own language while people from most nations master sereval as to not remain ingorant towards the rest of the world. 

[TeresaSummerlee]

@Trampadoo  You're a hoot! LOL!

[Trampadoo]

@TeresaSummerlee :

" My channel. My say. Get over it."

No, it's "My channel. My say. No critique. No rating. No consequences. Get over it." XD Got to love the spirit of China and Russia.. ^_^

[TeresaSummerlee]

@Trampadoo LMAO! Drop them pants!

[TeresaSummerlee]

@Trampadoo Don't hurt your head, but try pulling that whinny "you just wanna speak your own mind! whine whine whine" excuse on the New York Times, LA Times, or the Wall Street Journal. As if your insidious buffoonery wouldn't be monitored, then quickly deleted there, or anywhere else. The best you can hope for is to end up as fodder for lunch room hilarity.

[scheme86]

have u ever watched teh walking dead Teresa?

[TeresaSummerlee]

@scheme86 I see them on the news. OWS, or some such stuff. ;)

[scheme86]

@TeresaSummerlee situations can change what u value.

[TeresaSummerlee]

@scheme86 Well, sure. What kind of strawman is that? I never said they couldn't, dear.

[scheme86]

@TeresaSummerlee how is that a strawman im just trying to see if we agree on that b4 i continue?

[TeresaSummerlee]

@scheme86 b-cauz youz dint ax a queshion.

[blackadm]

Perspective and interpretation get in the way of us knowing what "is."

We develop values regardless of objective reality because we are, naturally, divorced from reality. Can we accurately and fully detect and process reality as it is without error or manipulation? They are discussing the problem of perception.

[TeresaSummerlee]

@blackadm No, they aren't discussing perception. Perception wasn't even mentioned, accept in Rand's statement. Claiming we're "divorced from reality" is like saying we are but aren't at the same time and in the same respect, which is psychotic.

[GangstalkingRobot]

As a realist/atheist I have found your use of the descriptive term "mysticism" to be accurate. I have found man new agers/freemasons and wiccans infiltrating the atheist stance. It's the way those religious groups try to subjugate anything that they cant control. You are spot on. I used to watch their show until I realized they aren't really atheists. kudos teresa you're a thinker! thnx. ayn rand was a brilliant philosopher too btw. peace!

[TeresaSummerlee]

@GangstalkingRobot Well, thank you. The fact that so many people think value systems, ethics, and their very lives are a matter of subjective whim shows just how backward mainstream atheism has become.

[Gnomefro]

What Russel is saying is that value judgments are subjective, and Ayn Rand denies this with regards to the value of "pursuing rational self interest", which she declares is objectively the highest moral value for everyone. The other part, about working for your own happiness is a tautology, but it is not at all obvious that the only path to happiness is rational self interest. For her, this is a rejection of altruism, yet many people find meaning in helping others without getting paid for it.

[TeresaSummerlee]

@Gnomefro Rand didn't think it was "obvious," either, so claiming she offered only a tautology doesn't pass the smell test. If every-one's judgement of value is purely subjective, no one here would be alive to make that assertion.