Buddhism is a very difficult religion to practice. It does not have god, does not have the concept of hell or heaven, It does not have any miracles or chamatkari babas. what ever said at the end of the day buddhism rocks.
@manoharbabu1 They "worship" the prophet because he is the sugar daddy. Drop down on their knees, beg & grovel & off they go to pleasure land - 72 virgins await! That's why they pray to him, not because he is God but what pleasures he can provide them with
im stirckly from hindu family.i've a faith,but not on the illusive materials like lord shiva,bishnu or whatever.i dnt support christians or muslims.yeah,i support humanism,believe in god but not the man made 1's.The 1 who controls us,plans our lives n we play as he wants us2do,the1whom evry1 pray,who made all these amazing stuffs,put life on us n just imagine how everything's related 2 izother; universe,ecology,evrythng,very well planned.he'z thegenius wit several names but 1 aim-U,I & THEM as1
@jayd4ever buddhism is not a part of hinduism. In buddhism there is no such thing as god. Buddhist don't involve any idol worship infact we do not have idols at all. Buddhism doesn't have any stupid cast system and is all inclusive. hinduism is an extreme religion with all gods depicted carrying weapons. Where do you see buddha harnessed any weapon? Buddha was a hindu who was not happy with the teachings of hinduism and hence went ahead to find another religion that was inclusive.
@matkakulfi buddhism dont believe in god but buddha did and you say you dont have idols but i always see buddha idols have you seen the big one in hong kong and you cant have reincarnation without god controlling the concept of yog and karma orginally cames from hinduism
@jayd4ever buddha idols, what are those? Buddha never worshiped any idols infact he never asked any one to worship him. Any one can be a buddha. Buddha has no fixed form. The process of reincarnation is different in buddhism its not based on the concept of karma. Buddhism believes in no one controlling your destiny you make your own destiny. You have no idea what buddhism is and I do not want to argue with an ignorant person. search for Tripiṭaka you read that and then compare.
watch?v=Jc_r5Ub_VJU&feature=related This documentary will be a good start. It is hinduism that has borrowed the concepts from buddhism not the other way round.
@matkakulfi yes buddha never but his followers worship him and make idols for him you can see it in every major buddhist country and if you say buddha said this then why do so many do the oppsite it just like hinduism some of things in our scriptures dont allow you do certain things but people do other things and if you say reincarnation is different then when happens after death in buddhism
@jayd4ever Its for you to find out how will buddha know what happens after death? He is not god. Besides what are you going to do with the knowledge of what happens after you are dead once you are dead? The question doesn't make any sense. Also about reincarnation he said you never die. The energy that created you transfered in to something else. energy cannot be created not destroyed and it remains constant. Energy can only transformed or transferred. Get a copy of Tripiṭaka read it
@matkakulfi yes i know but buddhism also says when you die you can decide weather you went to die or go into another form like animal,ghost,human etc now you tell me who is controlling that its god hinduism and buddhism are the same but the teachings are little different but concept is the same and buddha believed in god
@jayd4ever Read Tripiṭaka you will get your answers and if you want to believe that buddhism is an offshoot of hinduism hey its up to you. I am a buddhist and I know what buddhas teaching are. You are the confused individual you need answers you find them why ask me do your own research and don't fall victim to biased opinion.
@matkakulfi i already studied buddhism and i know buddha wasnt god bbut why do buddhists believe in reincarnation,karma and yoga then like hinduism but the difference is that buddhism has no god while hinduism does without hinduism buddhism wouldnt exist
Reincarnation would require each person to work out his own salvation—and when he finally did he would simply cease to exist! Jesus already paid for all of our evil deeds. All we have to do is accept the salvation He offers as a free gift
@cambowles Well that sounds so easy cambowles! Why doesn't everyone just convert to the easiest religion on earth...unless...perhap....people don't find that realistic. In fact, belief in Santa provides even more concrete benefits! Jewish people will tell you God has standards...measure up or don't. The Indian religions indeed, require effort. I think you like the Barcalounger approach to religion: I am saved, damn the rest! I sit in comfort....
@cambowles Yes so easy! God the sugar daddy! Just get donw on ur knees, beg & grovel & yes cry some croc tears & then it's pleasure land for eternity! yay!
Dream on!
Heaven is just a dream & as real as one. Lif is hars, so people hoped for a nice afterlife, just a dream, that's all
There is no free lunch! If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is!
Yeah God has nothing better to do than be a slave & cater to selfish cowards running away from life
@cambowles how did he pay he lost his life when he didnt want to die and what do you think jesus did for 18 years of his life which isnt mentioned in the bible he went to india and learnt about life and its value and preached it when it went back to jerusalem theres proof of that jesus wasnt god he was a teacher or guru like buddha
@opensourcebuddhism Great video dear friend! Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta focus on the basics of Dharma and can be understood only by minds at an higher level of reception. For normal people can only grasp religion as being that of God and Devil.
The true essence of Dharma is free of ritualism, caste and recitation of texts. Everything can be reduced at best to Karma, Punarjanma (Rebirth) and Moksha. All else is just frills...
and second lord Mahavira(Jainism founder) was born in Hindu kshatriya family, hinduism is new word to differentiate btw these three religions hinduism,buddhism and jainism.
Otherwise Hinduism jainism and buddhism was earlier known as Sanatan Dharma.
Why buddhist people celebrate diwali for different reasons.
@ROONEYGIBBS6 diwali actually is a buddhist festival hijacked by the hindus. Besides hinduism has gods which are actually greek in origin. In india there were no horses during the indus valley civilization the horses came with the invading aryans who brought in hinduism. Hindus were meat eating animal sacrificing race which sacrificed and ate cows as well. This was stopped by Buddha. I can say hinduism has derived a lot from buddhism.
@opensourcebuddhism, buddhism is nothing but a trick by some to become the religious heads and live as a king.
Did Gautam Buddha wrote any religious texts or ask any one to follow him, answer is no he was a Hindu who wants to correct some social norms but some people played politics over it.
How many buddhists are cremated like Hindus, Lord Buddha was cremated similarly Ashoka the great was cremated and his ashes were dropped in Holy Ganges.
@ROONEYGIBBS6 buddham sarnam gacchami, dhammam sharnam ghacchami, sangham sarnam ghacchami. A buddhist is not concerned about his body after death. there is no karma kand in buddhism. you can burn it or bury it a buddhist does not care about it. A buddhist does not believe in the existence of god and does not involve in idol worship. Any ways buddhist know what buddhism is and there is no need for a hindu to tell them what buddhism is.
I can bet from that commente that you are a Hindu, Vishais. It is a perennial comment that Siddhartha was born Hindu, therefore, he will always be a Hindu. I think it obvious the differences are vast, but once more for the show: super self versus no self, deities versus the individual, devotion versus wisdom, caste versus social equality, moksa ("release" of the "super self") versus nirvana ("snuffing out" the ego)...Jesus was born Jewish, doesn't mean Christianity / Judaism are the same.
@vishals2 I can bet from that commente that you are a Hindu, Vishais. It is a perennial comment that Siddhartha was born Hindu, therefore, he will always be a Hindu. I think it obvious the differences are vast, but once more for the show: super self versus no self, deities versus the individual, devotion versus wisdom, caste versus social equality, moksa ("release" of the "super self") versus nirvana ("snuffing" the ego)...Jesus was Jewish, doesn't mean Christianity / Judaism are the same.
@opensourcebuddhism Yes I am Hindu, and Love the Buddhist religion as much as the Hindu one.....and I never denied the fact that the great Siddhārtha Gautama was Buddhist, I merely stated he was born a Hindu. Thanks for your reply though, and have a wonderful day :)
@opensourcebuddhism Yes I did say that, you are very right. I never said they were the same thing :) thanks for clarifying that point. Happy holidays to you as well Doctor :)
@missho108: greater universal self. Lets for once not talk about it for now. Do you agree that there is something called Universe ? How do you perceive Shunyata when there is something called Universe ? Or does Shunyata deny the existence of universe ?
@SuperKinja SuperKinja, you Hindu guys just never get "sunyata". You guys mostly seem to think it means "non-existence" when it literally means "zeroness" equating with "corelessness". This means simply there is no separate existence for anything, the universe is inter-related, just energies without substance, weaving in and out of existence, with consciousness the fundamental reality. Consciousness too though, cannot exist alone and apart and is thus "empty" of self-existence.
@opensourcebuddhism: Your definition of Sunyata - Exactly ! Thats what we call Brahman. The sum total of all. Brahman and Universe are synonymous. When we perceive an object to have a "core" ("greater universal self" in your words), that is an illusion - maya. Advaita also denies the eternal existence of a core for any individual object. You see where I'm coming from ?
@fraddi Actually Fraddi, you can say there wouldn't be a Buddhism without Hinduism, and I can say there wouldn't be a Hinduism apart from the ancient Indus Valley Civilization, populated by people who seem to have practiced something like Jainism, and the Jain claim the same. On the "Buddhism and Jainism" a Jain scholar supplied extensive evidence for this in the comments section. Best!
@opensourcebuddhism Youre right about the Indus Valley. Im proud of the fact that all this came out of the Indian Sub continent. I have a question, what are the Veda's, and why did Astronomer Carl Sagan and several other physicists study them (including Einstein)??
@SuperKinja Just as Opensourcebuddhism has noted, you apparently don’t understand the concept of Shunyata. I will answer your question with another question: Is the universe permanent or changing? If changing then there is no essence period; sum total or individual. Is Brahman ever-changing or a permanent essence?
@missho108: "Is Brahman ever-changing or a permanent essence?" -- the problem with this assumption is that Brahman is just an essence. Brahman is synonymous with Universe. "If changing then there is no essence period" -- The sum total of all the changes is what we call Brahman. Imagine a flowing river - you look at it and say its ever changing and no essence. I say "the sum total of all the changes makes it a river".
For thousands of years, the Jews were surrounded by people who believed the earth was flat. They believed that if they were to travel too far in any direction, they would fall over the edge. This was also taught in both Hindu and Buddhist scripture. In the 1500’s however, the first ship sailed around the world, proving that the earth was round. Even before this explorative discovery, the round earth was recorded in the Judeo-Christian Bible!The prophet Isaiah spoke of the 'circle of the earth'.
buddhism does believe in the existence of hindu gods although they r nt considered tht important and nuthin gt to do with enlightement,but they r respected within the buddhist tradition and in many buddhist countries lik thailand,sri lanka,cambodia they r worshipped by many buddhists,sicne was buddha was a hindu its natural tht buddhism has various hindu concepts and influences in it,alan watts called buddhism-hinduism stripped 4 export
Buddhism is nothing different than Hinduism and there are many philosophers like Buddha who was teaching their ideas in early India.if Buddhism haven't left India it would be also a part of Hinduism.
and it is not an refined form of Hinduism nor Hinduism has any strict social rules there are a lot of propaganda created by the British to discredit Hinduism and the cast system was one of that.actually caste system has different meaning in early India
All religions have one messege, all point to one basic concept and a wayof life. But mans dirty little hands always has to fuck with the scriptures edit / add / delete create sub scriptures to explain scriptures which makes all the sects we see today , which gives rise to culturism . But because its indirectly linked people call them selfs religious , even though you can prove them wrong with there own scriptures , its culturlism =p
@yourboycal yup ....very true my son....is'nt it sad we end up getting lost in giving things titles and subtitles, naming such ideas, naming anything.... ?
Hinduism and Buddhism both have Nirvana.....In Buddhism Nirvana is attained by attaining peace of ind free from anger lust etc....
In Hinduism...the concept is more complicated..bt same in essence...Nirvana in Hinduism is attained by realizing one's self. Hinduism believe in souls and afterlife....if one goes to heaven after death...one has to come bak and live again...Nirvana is freedom from cycles of life and death...and mersing of atman (self) with param-atman (param = super) or god
@Nuakchot Hinduism- the sanathan dharma is not for believing God but for realization of God-the absolute in ur own way.....Million & millions Gods that u r talking r nothing but a creative result of ppl's pursuit in attaining that highest state...
Call that state Nirvana, Moksha Or God-hood, it hardly matters....
Hindus were both atheists and believers in god and there were also pagans
there are so many gods cause Hindus have no definite rule like in other religion
it appreciates diversity and never forced anyone to worship an idol or nature or even to believe in god.
different people created different idols and other ways of worshipping god but they all believe in one entity and all temples were constructed to respect everyone's beliefs so you see so many gods in temples....
hi everyone, please note that there is no god but allah and mohamad is his mesenger, god (allah) is the one who deserves to be worshiped so worshiping people, idols or animanls will not help you in the after life when no body can help you accept your good deed and your belive in god (allah),
Actually, despite your little rant Allah isn't real, allah is in fact another word for satan, only once you except Christianity and GOD into your life can you truly find happiness, sorry to bresk it to you, but you Muslims are following the cult of satan, and will most certanly burn i hell if you don't become christan
To see some interesting similarities between HINDUISM and ISLAM, search for the following video (search within quote marks) "Is Islam opposed to Hinduism?" or click on my name to see it on my YouTube channel. Jai Jagdish Hare!
Hindus consider Buddhism to be one of the many many schools of Hinduism. (Buddha is accepted as an Avatara of Vishnu). In fact, any religion evolved in India can be considered as Hinduism.
@peach1187 Vedas = Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samaveda, Atharvaveda. Although not usually emphasized, all traditions that are considered Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism) give authority to the Vedas. Buddhism & Jainism reject the Vedas therefore are not Hinduism.
@missho108: not all hindu schools pay homage to Vedas. There are schools like Charvakas who are considered part of Hinduism, yet they are fanatic atheists. Whether you like it or not, Supreme court of India defines Hinduism as such and Jains, Buddhists and Sikhs are subject to Hindu civil law. Hindutva is based on that principle. Chk this in wikipedia: wiki/Hindu_schools_of_philosophy
@SuperKinja All schools that are considered orthodox Hinduism revere the Vedas. Schools that don’t are considered heretical BY HINDUS. Do you think that Buddhist or Jains will agree that they are a heretical fractions of Hinduism. Can’t you see how insulting that is. That’s like a Christian agreeing that mormonism is a form of Christianity, yet is also considered a cult by “mainstream” Christians. Completely arrogant.
@SuperKinja Again you resort to none Buddhist sources to define what Buddhism is. Since when is the Supreme court of India an authority on Buddhism, Jainism, or Sikhism. Christians living in a Muslim country live under Muslim law. According to your logic Christianity should be considered a fraction of Islam? How ridiculous.
The Cārvāka /Lokāyata were a heterodox movement (nāstika) which died out in the 15th century. They are considered heterodox BY HINDUS. Though, since this movement died out hundreds of years ago and no texts from their tradition survived to modern day, their status as Hindu or not should matter little. Can't you at least admit that the Cārvāka philosophy as known in modern day has almost nothing in common with any Hindu tradition other than country of origin?
@missho108: The underlying assumption you make is that "hindus" are uniform about their views. Talk to 10 different hindus and you will get 10 different answers. As far as hindutva is concerned, all religions that evolved in India are considered hinduism. As a side note, you might want to check the etymology of "hindu".
@SuperKinja I understand perfectly that there is no universally excepted doctrine amongst the various Hindu sects. I’m not quite sure what I said to make you believe otherwise. I would still argue that orthodox Hinduism of all sects revere the Vedas, and if they don’t, it’s not orthodox Hinduism. The problem is that you still refuse to acknowledge that Buddhist do NOT consider themselves as a fraction of Hinduism.
You still consistently refuse to consult Buddhist texts to define what Buddhism is. Until you can start to evoke Buddhist sources a conversation with you about what Buddhism is and isn’t seems pointless.
@missho108 "The problem is that you still refuse to acknowledge that Buddhist do NOT consider themselves as a fraction of Hinduism. " -- this is political. I'm not getting into the *politics* side of the debate and I'm perfectly aware of the history and the reason for rivalry. However, what I'm interested is the *philosophical* side, the logical consistency between the two schools.
@SuperKinja This goes much deeper than mere politics…Nice try though. The reason why most Buddhist don’t want to be grouped in with the rest of Hinduism is that we understand that there are fundamental differences in the philosophies (unless your prerequisite is that the tradition only need to be of Indian origin to be considered Hinduism…SuperKinja?).
@SuperKinja Incidentally, if you want to accuse people of getting political, trying to group Buddhism in as “just another Hindu sect” could easily be considered a political move.
"Shâkya Muni came to preach nothing new. He also, like Jesus, came to fulfil and not to destroy. Only, in the case of Jesus, it was the old people, the Jews, who did not understand him, while in the case of Buddha, it was his own followers who did not realise the import of his teachings...Again, I repeat, Shâkya Muni came not to destroy, but he was the fulfilment, the logical conclusion, the logical development of the religion of the Hindus." - Swami Vivekananda
Swami Vivekananda didnt understand Buddhism ? Are you serious ? His teachings are available on wikisource. Read and enjoy. Dont mistake me for some troll. Buddhism is our cherished lost heritage & we are very blessed to have HHDL in our land, bringing back our lost culture. Advaita has many of the Buddhist concepts & He belonged to that school. Advaita is a natural positive evolution of Buddhism, though both have its roots in the Vedas.
@SuperKinja Shakya Muni did teach something new. That is that there is no Atman to cling to (Anatam), and that the very belief in Atman is a source of Duhkha. This is opposite of Sanatana Dharma teachings.
@missho108: Shakyamuni only said that there is no "Jivatma" - "eternal" individual soul. Even Buddhism doesn't deny that there is a Universe and according to Advaita, this "universe" is "Atman"/Paramatma/Brahman. Buddhism and Advaita are consistent with each other. Robert Thurman has spoken on this. Google it.
@SuperKinja You have been misinformed about Buddhism. The Buddha taught that the belief in a permanent essence in relation to a self OF ANY KIND is mistaken and will lead to clinging and suffering. The Buddha made no distinction between a small self or a greater Universal self.
@SuperKinja The term the Buddhist Sutta use is anattā (anātman), or no self. That is the same Atman that is equal to Brahman in Hinduism. If you don’t believe me read what the Buddha himself preached in the Anatta-lakkhana Sutta (just do a google search).
@SuperKinja You are twisting the facts to make your argument. The Buddha never specified Jivatma, post Buddhist Upanishadic texts did; most likely under the influence of Buddhism. Advaita Vedanta is also a post Buddhist movement which was strongly influenced by Buddhism (but not identical). They borrowed the Buddhist anatta teaching to deny anything that was not Atman. The Buddha simply denied Atman. There is a difference.
@SuperKinja Finally: Though I respect Robert Thurman and his work, he is not the final word on Buddhism. I also heard him agree with Deepak Chopra that Vedanta and Buddhism are essentially the same, though on that point I disagree with Thurman. Thurman seems to be coming more from the angle that Vedanta was highly influenced by Buddhism. To me that is immaterial and should have nothing to do with Buddhism, and should not be used as a reason to classify Buddhism as a Hindu tradition. Cheers!
@missho108: greater universal self. Lets for once not talk about it for now. Do you agree that there is something called Universe ? How do you perceive Shunyata when there is something called Universe ? Or does Shunyata deny the existence of universe ?
well, this video is somewhat naive. you need to know the history of India to better appreciate the relationship between Hinduism and Buddhism. Buddhism became very corrupt in India. Buddha Himself said that He should not be represented by images, yet His later followers did so. Buddhism is NOT a philosophical religion, only a Raja Yogic & Social reformatory movement. Read Swami Vivekananda's "Buddhism, the fulfillment of Hinduism" lecture.
@missho108: Swami Vivekananda is pretty legit when it comes to Buddhism. Tibetan exile PM Prof Samdhong Rinpoche considers Him as one of the inspirations in his life. He has a picture of Swamiji in his office.
@SuperKinja So what you are telling me is that Swami Vivekananda’s credentials for being an authority on Buddhism are that there is a Buddhist that was inspired by him and kept his picture. Please quote a Buddhist sutta to support your claims, not Swami Vivekananda.
Reincarnation does not pose a problem for Buddhism. It provides a problem for those who do not understand Buddhism. Anatta does not deny a mental continuum, a substrate that flows from birth to birth. It denies that there is anything permanent about it or that it or any phenomenon is "what I am". This mental substrate is called "citta" or "Alaya vijnana".
you are right, but don't call it a "sub"-strate. you can call it a basal consciousness - somewhat different idea. it is your body and you may call that a "sub"strate, i just prefer to call it the basal consciousness because it is not different from the other levels.
@SuperKinja It is pretty clear that you don't understand either one! In fact, advaita as a system is illogical. It doesn't add up. Other Hindu philosophers such as Ramanuja pointed this out long ago!
In Buddhism anatta only means that things aren't really yours, or "I". That's all it means. Nothing to do with a cosmic soul. The Buddha said that the cosmic soul some Brahmins talked about did not exist. Check the Alagaddupama sutta about this. In fact you have a lot of reading to do!
@tevung, No Ramanuja came because Advaita was too abstract. You make an assumption about "cosmic soul". Advaita says "no nama & rupa", same as Buddhism. I'm sure you know that Advaita (~800AD) came much later than Buddhism. So Buddha's ref to Brahmin theory is not relevant here.
As for "cosmic soul"- Universe exists, we can take that for granted. To say otherwise would be very stupid, no ? (if no universe, then how come we're even having this discussion ?). Advaita's attempt is to describe the nature of the Universe (aka Brahman), something which was not touched upon by Buddhism. Buddha intended it that way. He only wanted Buddhism as a practice meant to achieve some result, not a be-all-end-all for all philosophical problems.
The fact that Buddhism is not a philosophical religion, yet it has such profound philosophy very consistent with modern science, in contrast with other religions, shows how rich the intellectual culture in ancient India was. I believe India is the mother of humanity. I'm just happy that ppl find Inspiration from Mother India, no matter in what form. All our intellectual debate is only on an ego-level, not experiential level. So both of us are right, according to the "Indian system" (hinduism) !
@tevung, I read Alagaddupama. You seem to hv completely missed the pt. I'm going to nitpick now. My intention is not to hurt your ego. Water-snake is abt Smart mouthism. I find complete harmony btn Hinduism & Buddhism. Raft is abt attachment to ideology. Since I'm willing to say that Hinduism, "my" ideology, is the same as "your" ideology Buddhism, I'm not particularly attached to that either. So I'm following both of Buddha's teachings (contd).
(contd). Water-snake: your understanding of hinduism is "smart mouthism" as I pointed out earlier (cosmic soul,illusion,Ramanuja). Raft: though not fully applicable as you have not yet "crossed" the river (apparently), your close-mindedness for not making an attempt to harmonize different viewpoints = attachment. So you're not following either of Buddha's teachings. "pot called the kettle black". My intention is not to make personal attacks, but to humbly show what is going on in your mind.
You attempt to "harmonize" a system for escaping suffering with a system originally based on birth-based distinctions and animal sacrifice comes from your one sentence: "Buddhism ... have its roots in the Vedas." The only people who believe that are Hindu fundamentalists (like Vivekananda). Regarding your attempts to dispute my statements, they don't make any sense as anyone reading this page can clearly see, so I have no need to say anything further on these matters.
@tevung64 chk this /watch?v=7cTMB1-kudg at 5:21. Since you are the expert on everything would you educate this ignorant soul as to why Samdhong Rinpoche, a reincarnated monk & PM of Tibetan govt in exile has the portrait of "hindu fundamentalist" Vivekananda in his office.
@tevung64: Google this - Samdhong Rinpoche vivekananda. Click on the 3rd link from last (friends-of-tibet "dot" org site). FTA: "Rinpoche siad Swami Vivekananda was one of the five persons who had influenced him. "Swami's preaching of Sarva Dharma Satya meant respect of all religions," he said."
it was buddha's genius to employ all this with his himalayan emptiness view. i don't think the shakyas were too terribly hindu. hill tribes people from the foothills of the himalayas. empty sky, enlightened mountain peaks. plus mother india's compassion. not that i don't like krishna, cuz i do find him fun! (Rama's a drag though, mean to women and a killer!)
To give an example: Buddhism takes a section of the river and says "its ever changing, so it is empty". Advaita says "look at the whole river- its not emptiness, but COMPLETENESS". Former is negative (neti neti: "not this, not this", jnana yoga principle), latter is positive (bhakthi, grows incrementally by expansion/absorption). Both are valid. Buddhism was intended as a meditative system, not philosophical. The later Buddhists got confused & challenged Hinduism head-on on philosophy & lost.
@SuperKinja The river is always changing, so it's empty of permanence. Seems pretty obvious ...
Also note that the "advaita" statement doesn't actually mean anything and isn't even accurate. The advaita stance on the river would be that it, like eveything else we perceive, is an illusion.
Buddhism "lost" because the monks became corrupt from too much money, which was eventually taken away as the caste system was expanded to control everything.
@tevung,"like eveything else we perceive, is an illusion." again misunderstanding. "Illusion" expl is metaphorical & for beginners only. Advaita is defined as "no forms, no shapes" (same as Buddhism) or "no time,space,causality". Here "illusion" would be the *perception* that the small section of the river is a "permanent", "distinct" entity separate from whole. Truth is "small section" is not permanent and its part* of the whole. (Again, in strict Advaita, the word "part" cannot be used.)
"was eventually taken away as the caste system was expanded to control everything. " recommend you to read Indian history. Islam was the main reason for Buddhism's destruction. Caste was the safety net which protected hinduism. Buddhism had no caste, hence no protection.
Yes I agree. Hinduism and Buddhism are very intertwined. Also, Buddha was a Hindu. For that reason, I will always consider both of those faiths to be the biggest influences in my life.
Mostly Mother India, not so much Krishna Rama hinduism, nor even Shiva, but the totally self-giving Jains, the inheritors of ancient Indus Valley's civilization, yoga rebirth and all, that really get me excited. not the warrior but the peacenik side of mother india gets me going, and
It is a known fact in India that all the holy men including GAUTAM BUDDHA simplified the VEDIC teachings for the poor comman man , in his context and in turn freeing him from many unholy practices which had crept into the SANATAN DHARMA.
I am sure BUDDHA will be saddened if he came to know that today people are calling him GOD or it has taken a form of religon.
tell about the life of his guru's guru and this was called Buddhism by the other countries.
There are hardly any followers of Buddhism in India ( except for a few gided by politics of cast.) The reaon is because Hindus call themself as followers of SANATAN DHARMA( the eternal religion) in which every teaching of all the GURUS ,SAGES etc.. who were born in BHARAT are followed.
Buddhism is one of the main branch in the TREE of HIDUISM (SANATAN DHARMA)
Hinduism, the name given to the believes of people of India by muslim and then by colonial invaders.Buddha was a hindu indian prince of BIHAR and then went on to gain enlightment via deep meditation ie he was able to reach his atma.
After that like many of the holy gurus , saints etc he went about travelling across BHARAT (india) teaching people about ways to lead life , reasons for pain etc. Then about many centuries hindu king ASHOKA sent out messengers to different parts of world to
Buddhism is a very difficult religion to practice. It does not have god, does not have the concept of hell or heaven, It does not have any miracles or chamatkari babas. what ever said at the end of the day buddhism rocks.
matkakulfi 1 month ago
@manoharbabu1 They "worship" the prophet because he is the sugar daddy. Drop down on their knees, beg & grovel & off they go to pleasure land - 72 virgins await! That's why they pray to him, not because he is God but what pleasures he can provide them with
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
OMFG IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK DON'T FUCKING HAVE BACKROUND MUSIC!!!
Lekitelegenden 3 months ago
THERE IS NONE WORTHY OF WORSHIP BESIDES ALLAH, AND PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PEACE BE UPON HIM) IS THE FINAL MESSENGER...
adia3000 5 months ago
@adia3000 Tribalism at its worst.
RoninMiyamotoMusashi 5 months ago
im stirckly from hindu family.i've a faith,but not on the illusive materials like lord shiva,bishnu or whatever.i dnt support christians or muslims.yeah,i support humanism,believe in god but not the man made 1's.The 1 who controls us,plans our lives n we play as he wants us2do,the1whom evry1 pray,who made all these amazing stuffs,put life on us n just imagine how everything's related 2 izother; universe,ecology,evrythng,very well planned.he'z thegenius wit several names but 1 aim-U,I & THEM as1
blackenedun4given 5 months ago
why compare buddhism and hinduism they are both the same we are one
jayd4ever 6 months ago
@jayd4ever have you studied buddhism to make this claim?? If not than take a book of tripitakahs and visit dhammagiri if possible.
matkakulfi 1 month ago
@matkakulfi yes i have buddhism is part of hinduism, buddha himself was a hindus but he had his own teachings too
jayd4ever 1 month ago
@jayd4ever buddhism is not a part of hinduism. In buddhism there is no such thing as god. Buddhist don't involve any idol worship infact we do not have idols at all. Buddhism doesn't have any stupid cast system and is all inclusive. hinduism is an extreme religion with all gods depicted carrying weapons. Where do you see buddha harnessed any weapon? Buddha was a hindu who was not happy with the teachings of hinduism and hence went ahead to find another religion that was inclusive.
matkakulfi 1 month ago
@matkakulfi buddhism dont believe in god but buddha did and you say you dont have idols but i always see buddha idols have you seen the big one in hong kong and you cant have reincarnation without god controlling the concept of yog and karma orginally cames from hinduism
jayd4ever 1 month ago
@jayd4ever buddha idols, what are those? Buddha never worshiped any idols infact he never asked any one to worship him. Any one can be a buddha. Buddha has no fixed form. The process of reincarnation is different in buddhism its not based on the concept of karma. Buddhism believes in no one controlling your destiny you make your own destiny. You have no idea what buddhism is and I do not want to argue with an ignorant person. search for Tripiṭaka you read that and then compare.
matkakulfi 1 month ago
watch?v=Jc_r5Ub_VJU&feature=related This documentary will be a good start. It is hinduism that has borrowed the concepts from buddhism not the other way round.
matkakulfi 1 month ago
@matkakulfi yes buddha never but his followers worship him and make idols for him you can see it in every major buddhist country and if you say buddha said this then why do so many do the oppsite it just like hinduism some of things in our scriptures dont allow you do certain things but people do other things and if you say reincarnation is different then when happens after death in buddhism
jayd4ever 1 month ago
@jayd4ever Its for you to find out how will buddha know what happens after death? He is not god. Besides what are you going to do with the knowledge of what happens after you are dead once you are dead? The question doesn't make any sense. Also about reincarnation he said you never die. The energy that created you transfered in to something else. energy cannot be created not destroyed and it remains constant. Energy can only transformed or transferred. Get a copy of Tripiṭaka read it
matkakulfi 1 month ago
@matkakulfi yes i know but buddhism also says when you die you can decide weather you went to die or go into another form like animal,ghost,human etc now you tell me who is controlling that its god hinduism and buddhism are the same but the teachings are little different but concept is the same and buddha believed in god
jayd4ever 1 month ago
@jayd4ever Read Tripiṭaka you will get your answers and if you want to believe that buddhism is an offshoot of hinduism hey its up to you. I am a buddhist and I know what buddhas teaching are. You are the confused individual you need answers you find them why ask me do your own research and don't fall victim to biased opinion.
matkakulfi 1 month ago
@matkakulfi i already studied buddhism and i know buddha wasnt god bbut why do buddhists believe in reincarnation,karma and yoga then like hinduism but the difference is that buddhism has no god while hinduism does without hinduism buddhism wouldnt exist
jayd4ever 1 month ago
@jayd4ever And about buddhism, you have no idea about what it is.
matkakulfi 1 month ago
Reincarnation would require each person to work out his own salvation—and when he finally did he would simply cease to exist! Jesus already paid for all of our evil deeds. All we have to do is accept the salvation He offers as a free gift
cambowles 6 months ago
@cambowles Well that sounds so easy cambowles! Why doesn't everyone just convert to the easiest religion on earth...unless...perhap....people don't find that realistic. In fact, belief in Santa provides even more concrete benefits! Jewish people will tell you God has standards...measure up or don't. The Indian religions indeed, require effort. I think you like the Barcalounger approach to religion: I am saved, damn the rest! I sit in comfort....
opensourcebuddhism 6 months ago
@cambowles Yes so easy! God the sugar daddy! Just get donw on ur knees, beg & grovel & yes cry some croc tears & then it's pleasure land for eternity! yay!
Dream on!
Heaven is just a dream & as real as one. Lif is hars, so people hoped for a nice afterlife, just a dream, that's all
There is no free lunch! If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is!
Yeah God has nothing better to do than be a slave & cater to selfish cowards running away from life
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@cambowles Beware Satan will cheat u. He will show u a nice, bright castle & if u think u can just beg & grovel ur way to an easy life, u are deluded
The ONLY way is to EARN ur way, the Hindu way! We have to Earn God's grace, no begging or groveling
If u still insist, Satan will take ur soul & make u a Ghost or Spirit
No body, so no bodily pains or diseases. No brain, so no memories to haunt u.
U will be condemned to wander thru the universe as a Ghost or Spirit
Careful what u wish for
ramaraksha01 3 months ago
@cambowles how did he pay he lost his life when he didnt want to die and what do you think jesus did for 18 years of his life which isnt mentioned in the bible he went to india and learnt about life and its value and preached it when it went back to jerusalem theres proof of that jesus wasnt god he was a teacher or guru like buddha
jayd4ever 1 month ago
@opensourcebuddhism Great video dear friend! Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta focus on the basics of Dharma and can be understood only by minds at an higher level of reception. For normal people can only grasp religion as being that of God and Devil.
The true essence of Dharma is free of ritualism, caste and recitation of texts. Everything can be reduced at best to Karma, Punarjanma (Rebirth) and Moksha. All else is just frills...
NeoDimension 9 months ago
and second lord Mahavira(Jainism founder) was born in Hindu kshatriya family, hinduism is new word to differentiate btw these three religions hinduism,buddhism and jainism.
Otherwise Hinduism jainism and buddhism was earlier known as Sanatan Dharma.
Why buddhist people celebrate diwali for different reasons.
All these are sub-religions of Hinduism.
ROONEYGIBBS6 9 months ago
@ROONEYGIBBS6 diwali actually is a buddhist festival hijacked by the hindus. Besides hinduism has gods which are actually greek in origin. In india there were no horses during the indus valley civilization the horses came with the invading aryans who brought in hinduism. Hindus were meat eating animal sacrificing race which sacrificed and ate cows as well. This was stopped by Buddha. I can say hinduism has derived a lot from buddhism.
matkakulfi 1 month ago
@opensourcebuddhism, buddhism is nothing but a trick by some to become the religious heads and live as a king.
Did Gautam Buddha wrote any religious texts or ask any one to follow him, answer is no he was a Hindu who wants to correct some social norms but some people played politics over it.
How many buddhists are cremated like Hindus, Lord Buddha was cremated similarly Ashoka the great was cremated and his ashes were dropped in Holy Ganges.
You all lie.
ROONEYGIBBS6 9 months ago
@ROONEYGIBBS6 buddham sarnam gacchami, dhammam sharnam ghacchami, sangham sarnam ghacchami. A buddhist is not concerned about his body after death. there is no karma kand in buddhism. you can burn it or bury it a buddhist does not care about it. A buddhist does not believe in the existence of god and does not involve in idol worship. Any ways buddhist know what buddhism is and there is no need for a hindu to tell them what buddhism is.
matkakulfi 1 month ago
I can bet from that commente that you are a Hindu, Vishais. It is a perennial comment that Siddhartha was born Hindu, therefore, he will always be a Hindu. I think it obvious the differences are vast, but once more for the show: super self versus no self, deities versus the individual, devotion versus wisdom, caste versus social equality, moksa ("release" of the "super self") versus nirvana ("snuffing out" the ego)...Jesus was born Jewish, doesn't mean Christianity / Judaism are the same.
opensourcebuddhism 1 year ago
They shouldn't be compared, tehy virtually preach the same thing. After all Siddhārtha Gautama ((The great Buddha himself) was a Hindu prince
vishals2 1 year ago
@vishals2 I can bet from that commente that you are a Hindu, Vishais. It is a perennial comment that Siddhartha was born Hindu, therefore, he will always be a Hindu. I think it obvious the differences are vast, but once more for the show: super self versus no self, deities versus the individual, devotion versus wisdom, caste versus social equality, moksa ("release" of the "super self") versus nirvana ("snuffing" the ego)...Jesus was Jewish, doesn't mean Christianity / Judaism are the same.
opensourcebuddhism 1 year ago
@opensourcebuddhism Yes I am Hindu, and Love the Buddhist religion as much as the Hindu one.....and I never denied the fact that the great Siddhārtha Gautama was Buddhist, I merely stated he was born a Hindu. Thanks for your reply though, and have a wonderful day :)
vishals2 1 year ago
@vishals2 True, but you did say they 'virtually preach the same thing". All the best, happy holidays!
opensourcebuddhism 1 year ago
@opensourcebuddhism Yes I did say that, you are very right. I never said they were the same thing :) thanks for clarifying that point. Happy holidays to you as well Doctor :)
vishals2 1 year ago
@missho108: greater universal self. Lets for once not talk about it for now. Do you agree that there is something called Universe ? How do you perceive Shunyata when there is something called Universe ? Or does Shunyata deny the existence of universe ?
SuperKinja 1 year ago
@SuperKinja SuperKinja, you Hindu guys just never get "sunyata". You guys mostly seem to think it means "non-existence" when it literally means "zeroness" equating with "corelessness". This means simply there is no separate existence for anything, the universe is inter-related, just energies without substance, weaving in and out of existence, with consciousness the fundamental reality. Consciousness too though, cannot exist alone and apart and is thus "empty" of self-existence.
opensourcebuddhism 1 year ago
@opensourcebuddhism: Your definition of Sunyata - Exactly ! Thats what we call Brahman. The sum total of all. Brahman and Universe are synonymous. When we perceive an object to have a "core" ("greater universal self" in your words), that is an illusion - maya. Advaita also denies the eternal existence of a core for any individual object. You see where I'm coming from ?
SuperKinja 1 year ago
@opensourcebuddhism there would never be a buddhism without hinduism, and there never would be hinduism without the upanishads. have a great day!
fraddi 10 months ago
@fraddi Actually Fraddi, you can say there wouldn't be a Buddhism without Hinduism, and I can say there wouldn't be a Hinduism apart from the ancient Indus Valley Civilization, populated by people who seem to have practiced something like Jainism, and the Jain claim the same. On the "Buddhism and Jainism" a Jain scholar supplied extensive evidence for this in the comments section. Best!
opensourcebuddhism 10 months ago
@opensourcebuddhism Youre right about the Indus Valley. Im proud of the fact that all this came out of the Indian Sub continent. I have a question, what are the Veda's, and why did Astronomer Carl Sagan and several other physicists study them (including Einstein)??
fraddi 10 months ago
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missho108 1 year ago
@SuperKinja Just as Opensourcebuddhism has noted, you apparently don’t understand the concept of Shunyata. I will answer your question with another question: Is the universe permanent or changing? If changing then there is no essence period; sum total or individual. Is Brahman ever-changing or a permanent essence?
missho108 1 year ago
@missho108: "Is Brahman ever-changing or a permanent essence?" -- the problem with this assumption is that Brahman is just an essence. Brahman is synonymous with Universe. "If changing then there is no essence period" -- The sum total of all the changes is what we call Brahman. Imagine a flowing river - you look at it and say its ever changing and no essence. I say "the sum total of all the changes makes it a river".
SuperKinja 1 year ago
For thousands of years, the Jews were surrounded by people who believed the earth was flat. They believed that if they were to travel too far in any direction, they would fall over the edge. This was also taught in both Hindu and Buddhist scripture. In the 1500’s however, the first ship sailed around the world, proving that the earth was round. Even before this explorative discovery, the round earth was recorded in the Judeo-Christian Bible!The prophet Isaiah spoke of the 'circle of the earth'.
godlovesyouuu 1 year ago
There is only 1 God in Hinduism. Some say Datta, some say Krishna. I believe in Krishna. Hare Krishna
sellelpoc 1 year ago
buddhism does believe in the existence of hindu gods although they r nt considered tht important and nuthin gt to do with enlightement,but they r respected within the buddhist tradition and in many buddhist countries lik thailand,sri lanka,cambodia they r worshipped by many buddhists,sicne was buddha was a hindu its natural tht buddhism has various hindu concepts and influences in it,alan watts called buddhism-hinduism stripped 4 export
thescorpionking2020 1 year ago
Buddhism is nothing different than Hinduism and there are many philosophers like Buddha who was teaching their ideas in early India.if Buddhism haven't left India it would be also a part of Hinduism.
and it is not an refined form of Hinduism nor Hinduism has any strict social rules there are a lot of propaganda created by the British to discredit Hinduism and the cast system was one of that.actually caste system has different meaning in early India
few misinfo in this video.....
hrm993 1 year ago
All religions have one messege, all point to one basic concept and a wayof life. But mans dirty little hands always has to fuck with the scriptures edit / add / delete create sub scriptures to explain scriptures which makes all the sects we see today , which gives rise to culturism . But because its indirectly linked people call them selfs religious , even though you can prove them wrong with there own scriptures , its culturlism =p
yourboycal 1 year ago
@yourboycal yup ....very true my son....is'nt it sad we end up getting lost in giving things titles and subtitles, naming such ideas, naming anything.... ?
peach1187 1 year ago
@opensourcebuddhism you speak very fast and unclear. the music makes it worse.
NeoDimension 1 year ago
i wonder if hinduism's highest meditative stage is equivalent to buddhism's state of nirvana? guess not
aloozer 2 years ago
The word nirvana is used in hindu scriptures many times. Nowadays we use the word moksha to mean liberation from birth and death.
Mahasiddha1 2 years ago
@aloozer
Hinduism and Buddhism both have Nirvana.....In Buddhism Nirvana is attained by attaining peace of ind free from anger lust etc....
In Hinduism...the concept is more complicated..bt same in essence...Nirvana in Hinduism is attained by realizing one's self. Hinduism believe in souls and afterlife....if one goes to heaven after death...one has to come bak and live again...Nirvana is freedom from cycles of life and death...and mersing of atman (self) with param-atman (param = super) or god
sjuyal85 1 year ago
Hinduism believed milion milion of God and Budddhism did not believed existence of god.
Nuakchot 2 years ago
they believe the existence of devas. DO some research!
Mahasiddha1 2 years ago
@Nuakchot Hinduism- the sanathan dharma is not for believing God but for realization of God-the absolute in ur own way.....Million & millions Gods that u r talking r nothing but a creative result of ppl's pursuit in attaining that highest state...
Call that state Nirvana, Moksha Or God-hood, it hardly matters....
thatzme100 1 year ago
@Nuakchot
not true
Hindus were both atheists and believers in god and there were also pagans
there are so many gods cause Hindus have no definite rule like in other religion
it appreciates diversity and never forced anyone to worship an idol or nature or even to believe in god.
different people created different idols and other ways of worshipping god but they all believe in one entity and all temples were constructed to respect everyone's beliefs so you see so many gods in temples....
hrm993 1 year ago
hi everyone, please note that there is no god but allah and mohamad is his mesenger, god (allah) is the one who deserves to be worshiped so worshiping people, idols or animanls will not help you in the after life when no body can help you accept your good deed and your belive in god (allah),
jab05038980 2 years ago
Actually, despite your little rant Allah isn't real, allah is in fact another word for satan, only once you except Christianity and GOD into your life can you truly find happiness, sorry to bresk it to you, but you Muslims are following the cult of satan, and will most certanly burn i hell if you don't become christan
Jaabyourface 2 years ago
buddha was the greatest hindu philosopher ever
thescorpionking2010 2 years ago
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Peace4everynation 2 years ago
Can someone please give me a 6 page essay about Hinduism and Buddhism
Please
QFS08 2 years ago
@QFS08 google this: paper on hinduism vivekananda wikisource
SuperKinja 2 years ago
You should redo this and state the parallels to physics these idea's have.
SuperHappyCakesHehe 2 years ago
Hindus consider Buddhism to be one of the many many schools of Hinduism. (Buddha is accepted as an Avatara of Vishnu). In fact, any religion evolved in India can be considered as Hinduism.
SuperKinja 2 years ago
@SuperKinja Buddhism can't and shouldn't be considered as part of Hinduism because Buddhism gives no authority to the Vedas.
missho108 1 year ago
@missho108 VEdas?
peach1187 1 year ago
@peach1187 Vedas = Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samaveda, Atharvaveda. Although not usually emphasized, all traditions that are considered Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism) give authority to the Vedas. Buddhism & Jainism reject the Vedas therefore are not Hinduism.
missho108 1 year ago
@missho108: not all hindu schools pay homage to Vedas. There are schools like Charvakas who are considered part of Hinduism, yet they are fanatic atheists. Whether you like it or not, Supreme court of India defines Hinduism as such and Jains, Buddhists and Sikhs are subject to Hindu civil law. Hindutva is based on that principle. Chk this in wikipedia: wiki/Hindu_schools_of_philosophy
SuperKinja 1 year ago
@SuperKinja All schools that are considered orthodox Hinduism revere the Vedas. Schools that don’t are considered heretical BY HINDUS. Do you think that Buddhist or Jains will agree that they are a heretical fractions of Hinduism. Can’t you see how insulting that is. That’s like a Christian agreeing that mormonism is a form of Christianity, yet is also considered a cult by “mainstream” Christians. Completely arrogant.
missho108 1 year ago
@SuperKinja Again you resort to none Buddhist sources to define what Buddhism is. Since when is the Supreme court of India an authority on Buddhism, Jainism, or Sikhism. Christians living in a Muslim country live under Muslim law. According to your logic Christianity should be considered a fraction of Islam? How ridiculous.
missho108 1 year ago
The Cārvāka /Lokāyata were a heterodox movement (nāstika) which died out in the 15th century. They are considered heterodox BY HINDUS. Though, since this movement died out hundreds of years ago and no texts from their tradition survived to modern day, their status as Hindu or not should matter little. Can't you at least admit that the Cārvāka philosophy as known in modern day has almost nothing in common with any Hindu tradition other than country of origin?
missho108 1 year ago
@missho108: The underlying assumption you make is that "hindus" are uniform about their views. Talk to 10 different hindus and you will get 10 different answers. As far as hindutva is concerned, all religions that evolved in India are considered hinduism. As a side note, you might want to check the etymology of "hindu".
SuperKinja 1 year ago
@SuperKinja I understand perfectly that there is no universally excepted doctrine amongst the various Hindu sects. I’m not quite sure what I said to make you believe otherwise. I would still argue that orthodox Hinduism of all sects revere the Vedas, and if they don’t, it’s not orthodox Hinduism. The problem is that you still refuse to acknowledge that Buddhist do NOT consider themselves as a fraction of Hinduism.
missho108 1 year ago
You still consistently refuse to consult Buddhist texts to define what Buddhism is. Until you can start to evoke Buddhist sources a conversation with you about what Buddhism is and isn’t seems pointless.
missho108 1 year ago
@missho108 "The problem is that you still refuse to acknowledge that Buddhist do NOT consider themselves as a fraction of Hinduism. " -- this is political. I'm not getting into the *politics* side of the debate and I'm perfectly aware of the history and the reason for rivalry. However, what I'm interested is the *philosophical* side, the logical consistency between the two schools.
SuperKinja 1 year ago
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@SuperKinja This goes much deeper than mere politics…Nice try though. The reason why most Buddhist don’t want to be grouped in with the rest of Hinduism is that we understand that there are fundamental differences in the philosophies (unless your prerequisite is that the tradition only need to be of Indian origin to be considered Hinduism…SuperKinja?).
missho108 1 year ago
@SuperKinja Incidentally, if you want to accuse people of getting political, trying to group Buddhism in as “just another Hindu sect” could easily be considered a political move.
missho108 1 year ago
"Shâkya Muni came to preach nothing new. He also, like Jesus, came to fulfil and not to destroy. Only, in the case of Jesus, it was the old people, the Jews, who did not understand him, while in the case of Buddha, it was his own followers who did not realise the import of his teachings...Again, I repeat, Shâkya Muni came not to destroy, but he was the fulfilment, the logical conclusion, the logical development of the religion of the Hindus." - Swami Vivekananda
SuperKinja 2 years ago
@SuperKinja Quoting another guy who didn't understand Buddhism ... the blind leading the blind like the Buddha said!
tevung64 2 years ago
Swami Vivekananda didnt understand Buddhism ? Are you serious ? His teachings are available on wikisource. Read and enjoy. Dont mistake me for some troll. Buddhism is our cherished lost heritage & we are very blessed to have HHDL in our land, bringing back our lost culture. Advaita has many of the Buddhist concepts & He belonged to that school. Advaita is a natural positive evolution of Buddhism, though both have its roots in the Vedas.
SuperKinja 2 years ago
@SuperKinja Shakya Muni did teach something new. That is that there is no Atman to cling to (Anatam), and that the very belief in Atman is a source of Duhkha. This is opposite of Sanatana Dharma teachings.
missho108 1 year ago
@missho108: Shakyamuni only said that there is no "Jivatma" - "eternal" individual soul. Even Buddhism doesn't deny that there is a Universe and according to Advaita, this "universe" is "Atman"/Paramatma/Brahman. Buddhism and Advaita are consistent with each other. Robert Thurman has spoken on this. Google it.
SuperKinja 1 year ago
@SuperKinja You have been misinformed about Buddhism. The Buddha taught that the belief in a permanent essence in relation to a self OF ANY KIND is mistaken and will lead to clinging and suffering. The Buddha made no distinction between a small self or a greater Universal self.
missho108 1 year ago
@SuperKinja The term the Buddhist Sutta use is anattā (anātman), or no self. That is the same Atman that is equal to Brahman in Hinduism. If you don’t believe me read what the Buddha himself preached in the Anatta-lakkhana Sutta (just do a google search).
missho108 1 year ago
@SuperKinja You are twisting the facts to make your argument. The Buddha never specified Jivatma, post Buddhist Upanishadic texts did; most likely under the influence of Buddhism. Advaita Vedanta is also a post Buddhist movement which was strongly influenced by Buddhism (but not identical). They borrowed the Buddhist anatta teaching to deny anything that was not Atman. The Buddha simply denied Atman. There is a difference.
missho108 1 year ago
@SuperKinja Finally: Though I respect Robert Thurman and his work, he is not the final word on Buddhism. I also heard him agree with Deepak Chopra that Vedanta and Buddhism are essentially the same, though on that point I disagree with Thurman. Thurman seems to be coming more from the angle that Vedanta was highly influenced by Buddhism. To me that is immaterial and should have nothing to do with Buddhism, and should not be used as a reason to classify Buddhism as a Hindu tradition. Cheers!
missho108 1 year ago
@missho108: greater universal self. Lets for once not talk about it for now. Do you agree that there is something called Universe ? How do you perceive Shunyata when there is something called Universe ? Or does Shunyata deny the existence of universe ?
SuperKinja 1 year ago
well, this video is somewhat naive. you need to know the history of India to better appreciate the relationship between Hinduism and Buddhism. Buddhism became very corrupt in India. Buddha Himself said that He should not be represented by images, yet His later followers did so. Buddhism is NOT a philosophical religion, only a Raja Yogic & Social reformatory movement. Read Swami Vivekananda's "Buddhism, the fulfillment of Hinduism" lecture.
SuperKinja 2 years ago
@SuperKinja Relying on Hindu sources (Swami Vivekananda) to define what Buddhism is or isn’t, or who the Buddha was is completely incorrect.
missho108 1 year ago 2
@missho108: Swami Vivekananda is pretty legit when it comes to Buddhism. Tibetan exile PM Prof Samdhong Rinpoche considers Him as one of the inspirations in his life. He has a picture of Swamiji in his office.
SuperKinja 1 year ago
@SuperKinja So what you are telling me is that Swami Vivekananda’s credentials for being an authority on Buddhism are that there is a Buddhist that was inspired by him and kept his picture. Please quote a Buddhist sutta to support your claims, not Swami Vivekananda.
missho108 1 year ago
Reincarnation does not pose a problem for Buddhism. It provides a problem for those who do not understand Buddhism. Anatta does not deny a mental continuum, a substrate that flows from birth to birth. It denies that there is anything permanent about it or that it or any phenomenon is "what I am". This mental substrate is called "citta" or "Alaya vijnana".
tevung64 2 years ago 3
you are right, but don't call it a "sub"-strate. you can call it a basal consciousness - somewhat different idea. it is your body and you may call that a "sub"strate, i just prefer to call it the basal consciousness because it is not different from the other levels.
james
opensourcebuddhism 2 years ago
*Emptiness* of ego (Buddhism) = *Fullness* of Brahman (Advaita). Both are the same. Only terminology is different.
SuperKinja 2 years ago
@SuperKinja It is pretty clear that you don't understand either one! In fact, advaita as a system is illogical. It doesn't add up. Other Hindu philosophers such as Ramanuja pointed this out long ago!
In Buddhism anatta only means that things aren't really yours, or "I". That's all it means. Nothing to do with a cosmic soul. The Buddha said that the cosmic soul some Brahmins talked about did not exist. Check the Alagaddupama sutta about this. In fact you have a lot of reading to do!
tevung64 2 years ago
@tevung, No Ramanuja came because Advaita was too abstract. You make an assumption about "cosmic soul". Advaita says "no nama & rupa", same as Buddhism. I'm sure you know that Advaita (~800AD) came much later than Buddhism. So Buddha's ref to Brahmin theory is not relevant here.
SuperKinja 2 years ago
As for "cosmic soul"- Universe exists, we can take that for granted. To say otherwise would be very stupid, no ? (if no universe, then how come we're even having this discussion ?). Advaita's attempt is to describe the nature of the Universe (aka Brahman), something which was not touched upon by Buddhism. Buddha intended it that way. He only wanted Buddhism as a practice meant to achieve some result, not a be-all-end-all for all philosophical problems.
SuperKinja 2 years ago
The fact that Buddhism is not a philosophical religion, yet it has such profound philosophy very consistent with modern science, in contrast with other religions, shows how rich the intellectual culture in ancient India was. I believe India is the mother of humanity. I'm just happy that ppl find Inspiration from Mother India, no matter in what form. All our intellectual debate is only on an ego-level, not experiential level. So both of us are right, according to the "Indian system" (hinduism) !
SuperKinja 2 years ago
@tevung, I read Alagaddupama. You seem to hv completely missed the pt. I'm going to nitpick now. My intention is not to hurt your ego. Water-snake is abt Smart mouthism. I find complete harmony btn Hinduism & Buddhism. Raft is abt attachment to ideology. Since I'm willing to say that Hinduism, "my" ideology, is the same as "your" ideology Buddhism, I'm not particularly attached to that either. So I'm following both of Buddha's teachings (contd).
SuperKinja 2 years ago
(contd). Water-snake: your understanding of hinduism is "smart mouthism" as I pointed out earlier (cosmic soul,illusion,Ramanuja). Raft: though not fully applicable as you have not yet "crossed" the river (apparently), your close-mindedness for not making an attempt to harmonize different viewpoints = attachment. So you're not following either of Buddha's teachings. "pot called the kettle black". My intention is not to make personal attacks, but to humbly show what is going on in your mind.
SuperKinja 2 years ago
You attempt to "harmonize" a system for escaping suffering with a system originally based on birth-based distinctions and animal sacrifice comes from your one sentence: "Buddhism ... have its roots in the Vedas." The only people who believe that are Hindu fundamentalists (like Vivekananda). Regarding your attempts to dispute my statements, they don't make any sense as anyone reading this page can clearly see, so I have no need to say anything further on these matters.
tevung64 2 years ago
@tevung64 chk this /watch?v=7cTMB1-kudg at 5:21. Since you are the expert on everything would you educate this ignorant soul as to why Samdhong Rinpoche, a reincarnated monk & PM of Tibetan govt in exile has the portrait of "hindu fundamentalist" Vivekananda in his office.
SuperKinja 2 years ago
@tevung64: Google this - Samdhong Rinpoche vivekananda. Click on the 3rd link from last (friends-of-tibet "dot" org site). FTA: "Rinpoche siad Swami Vivekananda was one of the five persons who had influenced him. "Swami's preaching of Sarva Dharma Satya meant respect of all religions," he said."
SuperKinja 2 years ago
it was buddha's genius to employ all this with his himalayan emptiness view. i don't think the shakyas were too terribly hindu. hill tribes people from the foothills of the himalayas. empty sky, enlightened mountain peaks. plus mother india's compassion. not that i don't like krishna, cuz i do find him fun! (Rama's a drag though, mean to women and a killer!)
Jmaes
opensourcebuddhism 2 years ago
To give an example: Buddhism takes a section of the river and says "its ever changing, so it is empty". Advaita says "look at the whole river- its not emptiness, but COMPLETENESS". Former is negative (neti neti: "not this, not this", jnana yoga principle), latter is positive (bhakthi, grows incrementally by expansion/absorption). Both are valid. Buddhism was intended as a meditative system, not philosophical. The later Buddhists got confused & challenged Hinduism head-on on philosophy & lost.
SuperKinja 2 years ago
@SuperKinja The river is always changing, so it's empty of permanence. Seems pretty obvious ...
Also note that the "advaita" statement doesn't actually mean anything and isn't even accurate. The advaita stance on the river would be that it, like eveything else we perceive, is an illusion.
Buddhism "lost" because the monks became corrupt from too much money, which was eventually taken away as the caste system was expanded to control everything.
tevung64 2 years ago
@tevung,"like eveything else we perceive, is an illusion." again misunderstanding. "Illusion" expl is metaphorical & for beginners only. Advaita is defined as "no forms, no shapes" (same as Buddhism) or "no time,space,causality". Here "illusion" would be the *perception* that the small section of the river is a "permanent", "distinct" entity separate from whole. Truth is "small section" is not permanent and its part* of the whole. (Again, in strict Advaita, the word "part" cannot be used.)
SuperKinja 2 years ago
"no forms, no shapes" ... i meant "no forms, no names", sorry
SuperKinja 2 years ago
"was eventually taken away as the caste system was expanded to control everything. " recommend you to read Indian history. Islam was the main reason for Buddhism's destruction. Caste was the safety net which protected hinduism. Buddhism had no caste, hence no protection.
SuperKinja 2 years ago
@opensourcebuddhism well dude buddhisst scriptures say rama was a previous incarnation of the buddha
thescorpionking2020 1 year ago
Yes I agree. Hinduism and Buddhism are very intertwined. Also, Buddha was a Hindu. For that reason, I will always consider both of those faiths to be the biggest influences in my life.
SunshineBuddha 2 years ago
Me too sunshine,
Mostly Mother India, not so much Krishna Rama hinduism, nor even Shiva, but the totally self-giving Jains, the inheritors of ancient Indus Valley's civilization, yoga rebirth and all, that really get me excited. not the warrior but the peacenik side of mother india gets me going, and
opensourcebuddhism 2 years ago
It is a known fact in India that all the holy men including GAUTAM BUDDHA simplified the VEDIC teachings for the poor comman man , in his context and in turn freeing him from many unholy practices which had crept into the SANATAN DHARMA.
I am sure BUDDHA will be saddened if he came to know that today people are calling him GOD or it has taken a form of religon.
ka010185 3 years ago
tell about the life of his guru's guru and this was called Buddhism by the other countries.
There are hardly any followers of Buddhism in India ( except for a few gided by politics of cast.) The reaon is because Hindus call themself as followers of SANATAN DHARMA( the eternal religion) in which every teaching of all the GURUS ,SAGES etc.. who were born in BHARAT are followed.
Buddhism is one of the main branch in the TREE of HIDUISM (SANATAN DHARMA)
ka010185 3 years ago
Hinduism, the name given to the believes of people of India by muslim and then by colonial invaders.Buddha was a hindu indian prince of BIHAR and then went on to gain enlightment via deep meditation ie he was able to reach his atma.
After that like many of the holy gurus , saints etc he went about travelling across BHARAT (india) teaching people about ways to lead life , reasons for pain etc. Then about many centuries hindu king ASHOKA sent out messengers to different parts of world to
ka010185 3 years ago
This is good vid very informative
bboyjiraiya 3 years ago