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  • U.S. Constitution and our unalienable rights to Life, Liberty are above any religious laws or principles, not subject to any negotiation. Any religion is political power is totalitarian system or dictatorship. People have the right to barbaric opinions and dreams - pray in the dark room. USA, Liberty, defend our U.S. Constitution.

  • You motherfuckers, the fact is that most non american laws are actually a threat to american law...simply, because american laws are tyranical, no less tyranical than jewish or muslim laws... so, fuck all of you.

    And by the way, why are there only jews in your expert pools and think tanks?? Fuck Jews... Fuck Moses and his laws in the ass... Muslim law is no better than jewish law and both are motherfucking oppressive and tyranical. FUCK AMERICA!!!!

  • @mouseinacoffeecup

    LOL, dude, take your pills!

  • You really wouldn`t want to be a Coptic Christian in Egypt now and for what`s left of their future

  • say no to ALL religions and things will get better pretty darn quick.

  • This would be a quick war...if our politicians were not complicit, and 'fair' to this self-proclaimed adversary.

  • Say NO to Islam and Shariah law and spread the gospel.

    1 John 2:

    7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

    => 1 MOSES 4:

    15 Whosoever slayeth Cain (who killed his brother Abel), vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

    = Matthew 7: 1-16

    1 Judge not, that ye be not judged...

  • Isalm is a cult, a cult created by a babbling, delusional, psychopathic, warmongering, slave owning, woman hating, mass murdering pedophile. This piece of human garbage, muhammad, was the most vile, black hearted lunatic to ever walk the face of the earth. This child molesting viper wandered about the shifting Saharan sands spewing his poisonous little fantasies into any ear that would listen...what is now couched as a "religion", islam..is actually a recipe for the death of civilization.

  • This guy is a CIA, scumbag, NWO, NEO-CON, misinformation technician.

  • the bible also we muslims belive is a genuine revalation from Allah, it has since been currupted (JEREMIAH 8:8), THE QURAN IS THE ONLY UNCORRUPTED BOOK, IT IS BEAUTIFUL AND FLAWLESS, WRITE 1000 REPORTS, THE QURAN IS BETTER!!! Islam is here to stay, get used to it, infact i invite you to become my Muslim brothers or sisters, so we can serve God together, as Jesus Abraham and Moses and Muhammed instructed. PEACE

  • @tompointzero NEVER IN MY LIFE TIME, FUCK OFF BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY!

  • keep your country, many empires have come and gone @swissmaid

  • @tompointzero fuck off the quran is a hate comic book nothing more. shit eating muslims';;.

  • ignorant fool @hellsfoothold

  • @tompointzero iam sorry what i had said to you do to lack of sleep i got my wires crossed iment to write to someone elese.so sorry thank u .hellsfoothold

  • Quran 5:45 "And We ordained for them (IN THE TORAH) therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the wrongdoers."....YOU IDIOTS JUST DONT UNDERSTAND SHARIAH BECAUSE IT IS PERFECT LAW OF ALLAH

  • World Council of Churches is the one world religion

    Mystery Babylon Rev. 18

    The Pope and Hamas behind the door with the Pope to push a Palestinian state and the destruction of Israel.

    The great tribulation (to destroy all religions in the name of Allah)

    His Eminence is running the interreligious dialogue in the WCC

    (His Eminence Sheikh Tayseer R. B.Al-Tamimi, the supreme judge of the Sharia' courts in Palestine)

    kudah.gov.ps

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  • Islam is a cult created by a psychopath. It cannot be reformed. It must be eradicated. Islam must be eradicated not because the Quran says Earth is flat or the shooting stars are missiles that Allah fires at the Jinns who climb the heaven to eavesdrop on the conversation of the exalted assembly. These stupid tales could even amuse us. Islam must go because it teaches hate, it orders killing of non-Muslims, it denigrates women and it violates the human rights

  • @IslamISsick1 Hey dumb ass, A 'Cult' is defined as a religious movement that has a limited number of followers - Islam has 1.2 Billion followers. No where in the Quran it is mentioned that the earth is flat, or that Allah fires missiles at Jinns, etc, etc. None of this is there in the Quran. Either you are an illiterate or just a blind follower of the paranoid media. And neither does Islam teach hate or killing of non-Muslims, etc, etc. All this is just the stupid paranoia of people like you.

  • @calavatar actually, a cult does not need to be defined by numbers, it's original meaning from years ago was a group led by a charismatic leader that held doctrines that disagreed with Biblical principles and basic doctrines; Mormonism is a cult, so is Roman Catholicism due to it's belief in tradition and revelation outside of the Bible and Papal aurthority, the Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult, and Islam follows the words of the dead leader, Mohammed, and it denies so much truth of the Bible

  • @calavatar "And neither does Islam teach hate or killing of non-Muslims, etc, etc. All this is just the stupid..."

    Surah 9:5, refers to killing of the kuffar if they refuse to convert or deny allah as a god or deny mohammad and 9:29 subjugating the kuffar and forcing them to pay the jiziyah. If you want the arabic text I can provide it too. If you can read arabic that is.

  • USA needs a guy like LTC Allen West to be the Commander in Chief.He knows what to do with those fucking pigs bastards islamists.

  • swearing to god doesn't increase credibility :/

  • If we really know sharia we know why they are unable to tell us the truth - it will not ensure their salvation since they base their salvation on advancing islam by any strategy of war. Jihad is war - in sharia it says to war against the non-moslems. 97% of the time it is mentioned in the koran it is violence against the unbelievers. So, there can be no real balanced discussion with moslems. You cannot discuss with one group that is lying/taqiyya.

  • How can you have an honest discussion with moslems when they practice taqiyya - religous deception - and think that it is good and holy to lie to us? Knowing sharia, their koran, their prophet, and their history - past and present - doesn't matter to them. They are unable to, or unwilling, to directly address the violence in islam going back to their prophet and will deflect and give untold numbers of excuses, including whining and claiming victimhood.

  • Team B II These people have got it! Thank God!

  • Hitler's Nazism. Stalin's Soviet Communism. Mohammad's Islamic/Shariah.

    2 down. 1 to go.

  • All this jabber about shria law is just misdirection PR Stunts, trying to keep barry the puppet in power It failed, america went to the polls, Its way past time for barry and all his appointees, and agendas to be recalled, and removed from government. Its npt a bully rule society in the USA, Its not an, up in under thang here, and its way past time all forms of biggotry is removed from government, Its too expensive for the actual workers left in america to pay affirmative (The nothing)

  • please reach out Arab Christian to learn more about islamistion and who sudi arabia wil take over america throw muslim brotherhood and whatch dvd home growin jihad to learn more about islam go.prophetofdoomdotnet or fatherzakariadoorg

  • If you claim that Shariah is not commandment from Allah and that Muslims make up man made law, then what about you? Isnt your legal systems (which you copied from Muslims) the same??

  • @tompointzero i'll concede a lil that in Muslim countries it is ok to have sharia law perharps a mild version, as long as no one gets killed. Havent u heard "when in rome do as the romans do." So no sharia law in non Islamic countries.

  • the romans used to fuck little kids and were homosexuals and practice pederasty, type in pan and goat, a roman period marble statue locked in the secret museum of naples. So NO i wont do as the Romans did. @JulianThePhilosopher

  • @tompointzero So u want sharia in the west ? while u do not want western law in Muslim countries ? Ask yourself is this hyprocritical ? Do u know u just proved the people in the video right. If u want to live in an Islamic society u ought to migrate there. In roman law fornication isn't frowned upon, hence i like it best. fornication like blasphemy are clearly victimless crimes.

  • fornication is a victim less crime? Wait till your wife and sister and mothers are fornicated with. Then we shall see. @JulianThePhilosopher

  • @tompointzero Of course my mother fornicate with my dad so i'm here. "and if u want his kind of dreams its Ca-li -fornication". Sex between consenting parties is not wrong. Did u hatch from an egg ?

  • please to not reply to tom point zero he is zero brain and joint act for america dot org to kike this trash muslim out of west and also poster terry jones@JulianThePhilosopher p

  • @JulianThePhilosopher . stand up america do org and joint us to burn the Qureen

    poster terry jones and greed walter bothe the right people

    TOM ZERO POINT DID GIVE YOUR WIFE TO YOU GUEST SO SHE GIVE THE SIX OR BRITH FEEDING THE ADULT GO READ YOUR OWN HADITH

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  • YOUR NAME IS JULIAN? YOU KNOW IN ISLAMIC SPAIN (ANDULUSIA) THERE WAS A CHRISTIAN KING CALLED JULIAN WHO ASKED THE MUSLIMS TO HELP HIM FIGHT AGAINST THE CURRUPT CHRISTIAN KING WHO RAPED HIS DAUGHTER. WITH 7000 SOLDIERS THE MUSLIMS TOOK SPAIN FOR 800 YEARS! @JulianThePhilosopher

  • @tompointzero is there a need to shout in BLOCK letters ? Why are u angry ? Julian the apostate is not my real name of course. He was a roman emperor. My real name is 夏侯惇. History does not speak well of the *religion of peace". Despite wat u claim.

  • @tompointzero this law made from roman law go ask FATHER ZAKARIA BOTROS HAVE ANY SHIKA CA DEBAT WITH HIM ISLAM CAME STRANGE AND WILL GO AWAY STRANGE

  • YOUR STRANGE AND OBVIOUSLY A IDIOT @MrZa10000

  • @tompointzero another web side idiot to know what is islam is muhammad tube

    dot org 24 hours teach how islam is colt political shit

    who is god this allow his prophet to kill the people,,,,,,,,prophet married 6 years old

    baby,,,,,,, prophet married 40 women,,,,,, prophet allow his folwer married 4 women

    plus as much as the can women work for him a slave and,,,,,,, more

  • WHY IS THE QURAN THE ONLY HOLY BOOK TO SAY MARRY ONE WOMAN (BUT IF YOU CAN DO JUSTICE TO THEM MARRY UPTO 4) QURAN IS ONLY BOOK TO PROTECT WOMEN FROM FEMALE FOETICIDE AND GRANTS THEM DIVORCE RIGHTS AND GRANTS THEM A DOWRY WHEN THEY GET MARRIED AND MUCH MUCH MORE, 1400 YEARS AGO BEFORE WOMEN HAD TO FIGHT FOR THEIR RIGHTS IN THE WEST! @MrZa10000

  • @tompointzero

    The Islamic law of justice is not a commandment from almighty god, but a man-made law invented by Moses.

    Matthew 7:

    1 Judge not, that ye be not judged...

    Matthew 6:

    14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

    15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

    People who don't forgive but judge "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" are on the Highway to Hell.

  • @tompointzero

    3. Moses 19:

    16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I AM THE LORD.

    17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

    18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I AM THE LORD.

  • @tompointzero

    Ezekiel 18:

    21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

    22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

    23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the LORD GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

  • @tompointzero

    1 John 2:

    7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but AN OLD COMMANDMENT which ye had FROM THE BEGINNING. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

    => 1 MOSES 4:

    15 Whosoever slayeth Cain (who killed his brother Abel), vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

    Galatians 1:

    9 If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.

  • Quran 4:46 "Some of those who are Jews change words from their context and say: "We hear and disobey; hear thou as one who heareth not" and "Listen to us!" distorting with their tongues and slandering religion. If they had said: "We hear and we obey: hear thou, and look at us" it had been better for them, and more upright. But Allah hath cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, save a few."

  • 1. John 2:

    3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

    4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

    6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

  • Matthew 6:

    14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

    15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

    Matthew 5:

    20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

  • 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    16 Ye shall know them by their fruits.

    Hosea 8:

    7 For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk: the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up.

    Luke 19:

    26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

  • 1 Mose 4:

    13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

    14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

    15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

  • Matthew 7:

    24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

    26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

    27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

  • I have downloaded the PDF. Its a sober, chilling read.

    The situation is worse than the 70s if anything. The communists have aligned with islam. Its a perfect storm of team a and b findings! Communism has enabled jihadic islam via Gramscian methodolagy. The liberal left provide the perfect cover, communisms role as the useful idiot. Until they are put up against a wall and shot, as the islamofascists did in Iran to the Iranian communists after 1979.

    Hurry up 2012! The world needs the US back!

  • @5000433 hi bro, good to see ya here. ^_^ In the U.S they got guantanamo, in China they shoot the caliphatists and bill the cost of the bullet to their families. hehe. lol at topointzero typical internet jihadist.

  • @JulianThePhilosopher Good to read ya bro :)

  • @JulianThePhilosopher Im just catching up with the thread. I shall be interested in the "defences" offered.

  • IF SHARIAH IS A THREAT TO ENEMIES OF ALLAH, LET THEM QUIVER. OVER IT.

  • @tompointzero Your islamic military is a joke. Go cry more. The last time a muslim country won a war is ermm.................like 500 years ago. Perharps, if u follow more closely the footsteps of Mo u might achieve a 7th century standard of warfare. As well as a 7th century standard of living.

  • thats cos they buy OLD USA military shit for 60 billion. Even though we havnt won a war, we cant be conquered. So that means you have lost every war. @JulianThePhilosopher

  • And so what if Islam is a threat? Cmon attack, bring all your infidel soldiers

  • @tompointzero - We should listen to their speeches translated -

    VERY REFRESHING -

    watch?v=LNUqLztI4mQ

  • @tompointzero Sharia is a threat, this video is about sharia. Many muslims also believe that sharia is a threat. So deal with it.

  • shall i show you videos? i show you some of the brutal videos of usa army in and currupt politicans and you will want shariah law too, islam is the best, usa is great satan because its freinds with zionist murderers. @JulianThePhilosopher

  • ALLAH means Al "The" ILAH "Diety", so ALLAH simply means THE DIETY, Shariah means "way or path", Kafir means "One who covers their faith", Jihad means "To struggle", Qital means "To kill", Do not assume these words dont have meanings. Of course ISLAM means "Peace", and Muslim means "one who submits to Allah"

    You can call God whatever you want divide him with your pagan beleifs but there is only one God - Allah. So stop calling him God, Jehova, Father, Alpha and Omega or Eloheim or Jah, Vishnu!

  • @tompointzero - spelling mistake - Islam means PISS

    google.....khilafah

    watch?v=jtiKorMw9zg

  • Typical illiterate western cock muncher @redbearization

  • Allah is no god. Muhammad is no prophet. Islam is no religion of peace.

    Muhammad was never mentioned in the bible, but as a false prophet.

    Islam bases on a big lie. Muhammad was a liar.

    The weapon we use against Islam is the truth, that Islam will fall down like a house of cards, that muslim will wish to dig their brainwashed heads in the desert sand.

    Shariah (eye for an eye) has nothing to do with true justice. It is no way to get peace.

    It is a curse which will lead to further wars.

  • Quran 8:61 "And IF THEY incline towards peace, incline thou also towards it and put your trust in Allah", so if you want peace, make a move, if you want war, make a move, ISLAM will give you what you want. @Liebhabaer1974

  • @tompointzero

    We cannot trust in Allah, because Allah is no God.

    John 10:

    34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

    Matthew 7:

    12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

    Galatians 5:

    14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

  • @tompointzero

    Matthew 15:

    7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias (Esaia 29: 9-16) prophesy of you, saying,

    8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

    9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    Also the muslims who follow nothing but commandments of men.

    Shariah is no law from almighty god, but a commandment made by man.

  • always remember the islamic empire, could have taken over europe, we reached paris, we had spain for 800 years, but at the time europe was a shithole full of barbarians and pagan idiots, and we had the world. Its true we became lazy but managing such an enormous empire was hard work. We could destroy you now and take over the west, but we are peaceful ppl, only fighting for self defense.

  • @tompointzero <---

    watch?v=oTXywWqXQd0

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  • Regarding the report by so called experts "Shariah the threat to America", i want to ask, If you beleive these experts, why does no one give a crap about the thousands of engineers and architects for 9/11 TRUTH! Surely they are experts in their fields too. And they have made a valid case that 9/11 was a controlled demolition!

  • If you beleive these experts, why does no one give a crap about the thousands of engineers and architects for 9/11 TRUTH! Surely they are experts in their fields too.

  • ALOT is made up about how ISLAM stops you from living because it is strict, but i disagree, infact it clearly says in the Quran in 16:116 in 7:32 and 6:150, that men cannot forbid what Allah has forbidden, men cannot forbid things by claiming Islam forbids and asserting it to Allah (God). Indeed in the quran is a complete list of whats haraam ie forbidden, you will see for yourself, islam forbid LESS then any of these so called tolerant religions and governments!

  • Shariah is the code of law derived from the Koran and from the teachings and example of Mohammed; "sharia is only applicable to Muslims"; "under Islamic law there is no separation of church and state"

    Church and state must always remain seperate as should "corporate" influence remain a seperate entity from state. The state belongs to the people and the laws binding the state with its people should reflect and embrace a moral correctness and justness.

  • @snakebellyswg - Dear Shake Belly, please, don't try to hide, dear, that Islam final aim is Khilafah - global Islamic state ruled by sharia with imams above and us - dhimmies - slaves serving them

    ISLAM AIM IS TO CONQUER THE WORLD AND ELIMINATE ALL RELIGIONS ENSLAVING ALL OF US

    google:

    khilafah

    About 900,000 results

    READ IT!

    watch?v=jtiKorMw9zg

  • @redbearization Ha ha ha ha ha ha !

    Same shit, same idiot, different day.

    Brittany Spears has 65,000,000 results on Google, and she has more influence on billions of people than any antiquated, dusty, primitive religious superstitious mumbo.

    Your pathetic attempts at fearorism WILL fail, because people are NOT as stupid as your sly masters expect.

    Islam has less chance of creating a caliphate and "ruling the World" as the Martians have of invading.

    Fear the Martians......

  • @allieron few will remember slut spears in five years

    Islam, on the other hand

    has killed 1,000s in many lands.

    You many worship her lard ass,

    they would just as soon kill her with stones.

  • Hell according to quran doesn't exist.

    But if Islam really rules the whole world one day (which will never be fulfilled because Islam is a lie and will fall down like a house of cards) and no other religions exist, this is the real hell on earth.

    Matthew 12:

    25 Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand.

  • according to every statistic it is the west and non muslims who are guilty of most conversions murders rapes sexual abuse, you manipulate the media, but every true muslim knows your lies and wishes to destroy them. ALLAHU AKBAR. The evil USA and their zionist masters will soon crumble. @redbearization

  • This Islam threat is real! Read "Now, They Call Me Infidel" by Nonie Darwish. I got the book from the library. It is my contention that American is faced with not just this threat but also financial debt. I am so glad to hear our congress

    men are looking at this with eyes wide open.

  • @DianeWinkler The financial debt is a real threat, and it has been wrought on you by the SAME people who try to occupy your attention with the nonsensical "Muslim Menace".

    Join the dots.

  • @allieron hogwash

  • @DianeWinkler Watch "The Power of Nightmares", Diane, by one of the most critically-acclaimed and respected documentary makers on the planet, Adam Curtis.

    It's on YouTube. Watch it with your mind open, and then come back and tell me "hogwash".

  • Iv watched it Power of Nightmares is brilliant, its a 3 part documentary that shows just how closely related the terrorists and the neocons are. @allieron

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  • Finally the people with some power are starting to acknowledge what islam is all about .... fuck ISLAM united we stand against islam

  • @ITSTIME2UNITE The United States of America is based on separation of church and state, Shria Law will never be tolerated in this country, And attempts at being the KING like BARRY SORETOE alias barrach hussain obama, and whoever he actually is, depending on what SSN he uses from day to day, will no longer be tolerated. America voted, he has no more power, Its time for he, his agendas, czars, supreme court judges, all appointees, etc etc to be recalled. Its a democracy, we voted him OUT !!

  • BREAKING NEWS

    INTERNAL MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD MEMORANDUM REVEALED

    Now we understand the meaning of "it is just muslim community center, not a mosque"

    google:

    Explanatory Memorandum: On the General Strategic Goal for the Group

    English translation - page 16

    On community center - paragraph 17

  • @redbearization This should be required viewing for the incoming congress.

  • Maybe we all ought to have some constructive debate about sharia instead of arguing and name calling.

    1) Reduce our dependence on oil, hence stop the Saudi's from exporting,(wahhabism) this will be good for the environment as well.

    2) Remove all faith schools so as to prevent the indoctrination of the young.

    3) Ensuring that Muslim women have the rights to civil courts in western countries that have sharia courts. (they get half in inheritance)

  • @JulianThePhilosopher Good idea.

    1) First problem. Radicalism stems from poverty. Brunei shares the oil wealth with its citizens and has a wealthy, healthy middle class. When was the last time we saw a terrorist from Brunei ? Cut off the Saudis revenue, and they collapse into a Somalia-like mess which ONLY the radicals will emerge from.

    2) Absolutely necessary, but impossible as long as the Saudis are the ONLY ones sponsoring schools due to host nations spending more on defense than education.

  • @allieron If radicalism stems from poverty, how come so many terrorists are college graduates and not goat herders? How do you explain Bin Laden?

  • @mcv47 How do YOU explain that you're run by university graduates and not Billy-Bob from Hicksville ?

    The stupid, ignorant and gullible do the heavy lifting, while the alert and clever point the finger.

    Bin Laden was also a pawn, shuffled around on a board which is complex and multi-layered and often with aims which seem obscure, by veiled players who ghost by us every day on the sidelines.

    Who is easier to manipulate and get to do your bidding ? Poor idiots or educated, informed people ?

  • @JulianThePhilosopher

    2 bis) The biggest problem with Islam is that they have never had a decent schism or a revolution which, apart from Attaturk and Hussein, allowed secular democracy to begin to emerge. Virtually all Arab nations have failed their citizens by not implementing family planning and progressive policies to favor sustainable development. Vast sums were funneled into wasteful military spending or corruption, and none into education or infrastructure and agriculture.

  • @JulianThePhilosopher

    2 bis+) There is also no clear doctrinal "mainstream" in Islam, and Sunni and Shi'ite will likely never easily see eye-to-eye ideologically, hence the appeal of the simplistic Wahhabi doctrine, but you'll never see a Persian following it. So what to teach ? Sufi Islam is appealing, but then, I'm not a Muslim, so have no right to tell them how to live their lives, nor how to worship and what texts to use.

    Our meddling for oil has also destroyed our credibility with Islam.

  • @allieron interesting. I would argue that till the 1950s there was considerable progress in the Muslim world. I think that oil enabled them to import all the stuff they need without having the economic and political institutions that would make a modern society function. I think that democracy for the Muslim world would be like giving Christians in 1400 Europe democracy. (Sam Harris's view) They will probably vote in Islamic parties. As Hamas and the hizbollah are democratically elected =) cont

  • @JulianThePhilosopher I agree.

  • @allieron

    You claim that you didn’t tolerate Stalinism and the USSR. But in a previous post you praised “it’s resistance to savage capitalism”. Therefore you’re contradicting yourself and lying. Cheguevara was a murderer and a terrorist, no wonder he is one of your heroes.

  • @bobiana1 Rubbish. Like most of you Right-wing toadies, you have some sort of physical problem that prevents you reading AND understanding. Go back and re-read the post I made, and this time try to let it sink in before flapping your lips.

    I have never "praised" Stalinism or the USSR as a model. Never.

    Guevara was a courageous and passionate Freedom Fighter, and when you see the fascist filth and corrupt, tyrannical scum he was impassioned by his Humanist convictions to fight, you'd understand.

  • @allieron

    Orwell despised totalitarianism in all its forms; therefore he would have despised what the Muslim World and Europe are becoming under the ruthless oppression of radical Muslims. You don’t even feel concerned by all the Muslim women oppressed all around the Muslim countries, or the Christian, Bahay and Jew minorities that are being slowly exterminated over there. You pretend to be a humanist but you just don’t give a fuck about the lives of non Muslim male human beings.

  • @bobiana1 I agree that minorities being persecuted in Muslim countries need more international attention. There is a sect in Islam called the Ahmadis in pakistan that practice a tolerant form of Islam. But they have been branded heretics and have been the target of radical muslims. The Christians/hindus in Pakistan have been systematically killed. In 1998 enthic chinese who are Christians/Buddhists were massacred to the cries of "allah Wakbar" in Indonesia. I hope more attention is given to them

  • @JulianThePhilosopher

    Its simple, every single Muslim country persecutes various, if not all, of the following minorities and groups: Jews, gay people, Christians (Assyrians, Chaldeans, Orthodox’s, Catholics, Protestants) Zoroastrians, Atheists, Women, Bahay, Jains, Buddhists, Hindus, REALLY MODERATE VERSIONS OF ISLAM (they consider them heretics), etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

  • @bobiana1 So what's your solution, because whining about it is fine and dandy, but what's the SOLUTION ? Arm them all and let the strongest win ?

    You know what the solution is ? Education, and the UN, a strong, ethical and reliable UN.

    Virtually all the persecution is from property or tribal claims, or simple scapegoating either overt or covert, from the corrupt governments WE sometimes support.

    How about the farmers in Zimbabwe, and the Cape-Coloreds in SA ? Or do you only bitch at Muslims ?

  • @allieron A strong ethical UN is an oxymoron.

  • @mcv47 No, it is not. Why do YOU think that, or is this something you've been TOLD to think ?

    Do you understand why the neocons chose America, instead of the UN, to use as their vehicle for imposing their ideology ? Because the UN could NOT be corrupted, whereas the US...well, History speaks for me here.

    The RAND Corp had a very interesting report comparing the UN and US on nation building out in 2006, if memory serves me correctly. Check it out and just try to think OUTSIDE the box.

    If you can.

  • @allieron The UN could not be corrupted? Surely you can't be that naive.

  • @mcv47 You don't know much about the UN, do you.

    How about you just do some simple research.

  • @bobiana1

    He would have despised YOU, as you trot like a good Citizen, genuflecting before your FOX telescreen and raving along with the other idiots at the "Two-Minute Hate" directed at Eurasia, and Abdullah Goldstein, the nefarious dictator, who we have always been at war with, and cheering and happy-clapping for Eastasia, who we have always been allied with.

    You have no reason for your propaganda-blinded ignorance. None.

    If a people want to be free, they WILL be free.

  • @allieron

    Therefore, you would have supported Nazis against the "bad Anglo-American plutocracies infested of Jews".

  • @bobiana1 Idiot. The nazis were totalitarian fools, blinded by the bunk of "master-race" and obsessed with the type of crisp definitions that Gaffney and his fellow travelers in the PNAC loved. You're good, you're bad, links, recht, links, recht...

    I have no problem with Jewish people, nor, indeed, with ANY people.

    I have problems with fascists and tyrants, ideologically-blinded fools and ignorant, anti-intellectual morons.

    Apart from them, I'm good to go with all my fellow Humans.

  • @JulianThePhilosopher

    2 again...) The problem is that the change can ONLY come from within Islam. We have difficulty supporting moderates, because the sly propaganda from the ideological jerks who WANT the "Clash of Civilizations" have poisoned our relations with both them AND the Muslim world, who'll see them as merely "uncle el-Tom's", thus endangering them and making any effort to aid them ineffectual.

    Our constant war-drum beating is also totally counter-productive.

  • @JulianThePhilosopher

    Stuck on 2..) Further, the persistent low-intensity conflicts we support without any clear direction other than purely military, and our utter absence after the vast NeoCon snafu of any moral imperative or high-ground have completely shredded the credibility of the West to have ANY right of judgmental criticism towards Islam. The NeoCon attacking and weakening of the UN has also irreparably damaged their credibility as an independent and Just mediator.

  • @JulianThePhilosopher

    2 the end..) Thus the only solution I see is to pull back from this constant pushing at Islam, and extend the hand of peace. Close Gitmo and make amends. Work WITH the UN and the Arab League. We KNOW who our friends are, now lets work with our enemies. Insist that Israel respects some of the UN Resolutions, and put a lid on the hard Right-wing zionists. Insist also that Hamas respect the UN charter, and talk to them. Todays terrorist is tomorrows statesman. (See M. Begin)

  • @allieron The muslim brotherhood nearly won power in Egypt till Hosni Mubarak banned them. I think that secular authoritarianism is the best option at the moment for the Muslim world. Like the Bathists of Syria. Economic progress will slowly but surely change the fundamentalist views. As for the Neo cons, i think their strategy ha failed miserably. There has been no domino effect after Iraq, only more anger. the Neocon view of freedom as the highest ideal cant work in the Muslim world.

  • @allieron

    Don’t even begin to talk about a few pedophile priests that ended up in jail (where they belong) when the prophet of Islam was himself a pedophile and a mass murdering warlord. Compare him to Jesus or Buddha and let’s have a laugh

    You aren’t fighting fascism you’re helping it to spread and you know it, that’s the saddest part.

  • @bobiana1 You also lack historical context, as usual with the lackeys of fascism. The corruption and rot of the Catholic church is only the visible tip of the iceberg. You also need to lift your eyes from your Spencer, Steyn and Pipes and see beyond the sleazy, hate-filled propaganda monolith that owns your feeble mind.

    I don't imagine you bitching that God was a pedophile because Mary was between 11 and 13 when she was carrying Jesus, and Moses was around 50.

    Hypo-what ?

  • @JulianThePhilosopher

    2 the end bis!) Get inter-faith and open dialog running and get out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Draw down from the Gulf and stand down from Iran. Iraq will have to stand up for itself, as will Afghanistan. Block ALL flow of weapons into these nations. You can't fight a decent war without arms. Iran and Saudi Arabia don't want boisterous and unstable neighbors, no matter how much the animosity may run deep. Concentrate on aiding Pakistan, because they DO have WMD.

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    2, again..) Work on integrating UN Peace-keeping forces from Indonesia and other Muslim nations to stabilize, if demanded, Iraq and Afghanistan. It's not our culture, our people or our religion, the Middle East, and we have no justification for our presence. (Apart from oil and geopolitical hi-jinks to isolate China from energy)

    Involve China fully in the UN. They have an interest in stability in the region, too, as do the Russians.

  • @JulianThePhilosopher

    Sod the 500 word limits and these stupid posting codes. No time left, things to do.

    Hope that's constructive. Feel free to criticize.

    Sharia is a complicated issue. I feel our Justice system is largely sufficient. If people want Sharia law, then they can stay in a nation which practices it.

    "When in Rome...."

    Same goes for the chador or full-face veils, polygamy and other quirks. Not in the West.

  • @allieron great views. The problem with China as a part of the international community is that they rarely want to get involved in things that are not in their sphere of influence. George w Bush, thought that it would be in China's interest to disarm north korea. But they never did. Sharia itself is a very wide term. There is mild Sharia as well as extreme sharia. I think what needs to be done is to protect the people most vulnerable to Sharia, mainly Muslim women. heh, catch yer later. ^_^

  • "Immigration of those who adhere to shariah must be precluded, as was previously

    done with adherents to the seditious ideology of communism."

  • "Compounds and communities that seek to segregate themselves on the basis of

    shariah law, apply it alongside or in lieu of the law of the land or otherwise establish

    themselves as “no-go” zones for law enforcement and other authorities must

    be thwarted in such efforts. In this connection, assertion of claims to territory

    around mosques should be proscribed."

  • "Textbooks used in both secular educational systems and Islamic schools must

    not promote shariah, its tenets, or the notion that America must submit to its

    dictates. Schools that promote anti-constitutional teaching should be denied

    taxpayer funding and lose charitable tax status."

  • "Sedition is prohibited by law in the United States. To the extent that imams and

    mosques are being used to advocate shariah in America, they are promoting se22

    ditious activity and should be warned that they will be subject to investigation

    and prosecution."

  • "Practices that promote shariah – notably, shariah-compliant finance and the establishment

    or promotion in public spaces or with public funds of facilities and

    activities that give preferential treatment to shariah’s adherents – are incompatible

    with the Constitution and the freedoms it enshrines and must be proscribed."

  • "In keeping with Article VI of the Constitution, extend bans currently in effect

    that bar members of hate groups such as the Ku Klux Klan from holding positions

    of trust in federal, state, or local governments or the armed forces of the

    United States to those who espouse or support shariah. Instead, every effort

    should be made to identify and empower Muslims who are willing publicly to

    denounce shariah."

  • "They conduce to no successful legal outcome that

    cannot be better advanced via aggressive prosecution of terrorists, terrorfunders

    and other lawbreakers. It also discourages patriotic Muslims from providing

    actual assistance to the U.S. government lest they be marked for ostracism

    or worse by the Brothers and other shariah-adherent members of their

    communities."

  • "U.S. government agencies and organizations should cease their outreach to

    Muslim communities through Muslim Brotherhood fronts whose mission is to

    destroy our country from within, as such practices are both reckless and counterproductive.

    Indeed, these activities serve to legitimate, protect and expand

    the influence of our enemies."

  • "At a

    minimum, this will entail resisting – rather than acquiescing to – the concerted

    efforts now being made to allow that alien legal code to become established in

    this country as an alternate, parallel system to the Constitution and the laws enacted

    pursuant to it. Arguably, this is already in effect for those who have taken

    an oath to “support and defend” the Constitution, because the requirement is

    subsumed in that oath."

  • "U.S. policy-makers, financiers, businessmen, judges, journalists, community

    leaders and the public at large must be equipped with an accurate understanding

    of the nature of shariah and the necessity of keeping America shariah-free."

  • See below the brief recommendations given by Team B II

    To read complete document -

    google:

    Shariah: Threat to America

  • @redbearization Ah, perfect, shining fascism. Then it'll be a Team B document for the Blacks, the Chinese, the Gays, the Union teamsters, the Liberals, the Catholics, the Dodger fans, and indeed anyone else who doesn't fit in with the über-fascist vision that Herr Gaffney and his little heel-clicking chums.

    Amerikkka has always been at war with Eurasia.

    War is peace

    Freedom is slavery

    ignorance is strength

  • @redbearization Again, proof that you clueless muppets understand NOTHING about what Sharia is, other than a convenient whipping boy for the Islamophobic hate you lust to stir up.

    "Eternal War ? Right this way, sir..."

  • @redbearization I would go a step further and ban all faith schools (madrassahs). The young are the most susceptible to indoctrination. There is no such thing as a muslim child. Only a child born to Muslim parents.

  • @JulianThePhilosopher

    Guys, give thumbs up to Julian

  • @JulianThePhilosopher

    Agree, all "Islam based education" should be banned. I liked your "3 steps plan", it wasnt a bad start.

    And about the other comment you made, you could not begin to imagine how many REALY peaceful small sects of Islam are being persecuted right now in the Muslim countries and being replaced by salafism, wahabism and qtoubism.

  • @JulianThePhilosopher I agree. ALL religious education to children under ten should be illegal and punished with the full force of the Law.

    All attempts to teach exclusively a religion without comparisons of other superstitions should be banned and illegal in ALL schools.

    No religion shall be entitled to have any institution preaching and indoctrinating children before the age of ten. (See "Jesus Camp" for proof of fascist indoctrination and brainwashing)

    Sound good ?

  • @allieron haha, yea i watched that already, its scary kids as young as 10 being hysterical and stuff. And the person who ran the camp really horrible.

  • "And we will make people bordering the caliphate believe in Islam. Or if they refuse then we’ll ask

    them to be ruled by Islam. And if after all discussions and negotiations they still refuse, then the

    last resort will be a jihad to spread the spirit of Islam and the rule of Islam. This is done in the interests

    of all people to get them out of darkness and into light."

  • "Islam obliges Muslims to possess power so that they can intimidate – I would not say terrorize –

    the enemies of Islam. In the beginning, the caliphate would strengthen itself internally and it

    wouldn’t initiate jihad. But after that we would carry Islam as an intellectual call to all the world."

  • "This is

    what reporter James Brandon of the Christian Science Monitor discovered when he interviewed three Hizb

    ut-Tahrir activists in Amman, Jordan. One member explained in frank terms the progressive stages to accomplish

    Islamic rule, culminating in violence directed at anyone opposing their program:"

  • "The claims by Hizb ut-Tahrir leaders in the West that their group’s aims are entirely peaceful are belied

    by their own publications and statements made by HT members in their more candid moments."

  • "An investigation by the BBC discovered Javaid’s leadership in the

    organization, prompting the Home Secretary John Reid to launch an inquiry into his ties to Hizb ut-Tahrir.

    Javaid retained his position, however, because the government said it was powerless to fire him since the government

    had not officially banned the organization."

  • "If the HT playbook in the UK is any guide, Hizb ut-Tahrir operatives will be working to penetrate the

    U.S. government, as well. Perhaps the most serious case of infiltration by Hizb ut-Tahrir in the United Kingdom

    involved Abid Javaid, who works for the Immigration and Nationality Directorate that is responsible for

    processing visa and asylum applications."

  • "In 2005, The Guardian newspaper

    hired Dilpazier Aslam, a Hizb ut-Tahrir member who used his position to write on the 7/7 London bombings

    and justify the terror attacks.350 An investigation by The Independent newspaper found Hizb ut-Tahrir members

    working for Reuters and a number of blue-chip companies."